Anonymous: Correction re Scientology
Magoo
$cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
My view stays the same about legal or not. Tonight, as an example,
on Channel 9, there was a piece about "Hackers, hacking Scientology's web
sites". The UCLA representative spoke about how "The hackers claim they are
doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free speech.
However, they hacking their Web sites is also stopping free speech". See how
that worked?Did that educate people about Scientology's abuses? You *might*
think so,
but if you saw the piece--it basically skimmed over that, and onto how "The
Hackers are stopping free speech".
That was my major point. Scientology WILL use this as "PR" to align with
other religions: "Look what is happening to us. You'd better help us as THIS
COULD HAPPEN TO YOU". Also, instead of talking about TC's Video or Andrew's
new book, (Both things Scientology DOESN'T want seen)--- they're doing a
piece on hacking, basically against you all. It diffuses Scientology's
abuses, making yours seem equally as bad. I'm just trying to help you all
see what works, and what doesn't. If all you want is press, well, you got
it.
If you want to effectively expose the utter abuses you are against---please
make sure you're doing it in a way that really helps.
I was going to say "we"--but since that's a sensitive issue (as some may not
agree with what I'm going to say, I'll just stick with *I*-even though I
know many agree on this)...I know Scientology *cannot* handle the truth. I
know facts about their supposed religion, actual things they've done, they
cannot handle. I KNOW that things like the TC video SHOW their mind control.
I know many critics and many X-Scientologists who have spent years exposing
this insidious cult and have done so with great persistence. As a result of
these actions, Scientology *has* decreased, and MANY people are free, myself
included! These are all EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE.
Please learn from this, and make sure you do things legally, that helps
expose this insidious CULT. Please do *not* give them material to use as
"PR". That helps no one, except them.
The people I've spoken to have told me they will not be doing illegal
things, and I thank each of you. Bottom line you have to think:
Do we want to create *an* effect, or do we want to help people so their
lives can change, forever. Certainly with the volumes of people it seems who
are involved ...if you just worked on making videos exposing Scientology's
abuses, and possibly picketed, you'd be making serious changes. Get
creative! You have youth on your side, you have many "Communication Lines"
(People you're in touch with, that you can pass on critical web sites to).
If you just took on educating kids about Scientology--think how effective
that would be!
Again, I wish you well.
I am not anonymous, I do believe in forgiveness, I can speak, I will speak,
I am free :) I thank God and the Net and all X-Scientologists, critics, and
every single person who helps expose this insidious CULT of Scientology (and
who has in the past) :)
PEACE!
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 7 years!
X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA Volunteer after 20
years (Mostly in PR)X-Executive Director of SPL to handle media
X-Top Secret OSA Int Internet Mafia, Until I realized what they were really
doing and soon after left C of S forever.
For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
a "Suppressive Person" (SP 6 ^Cumulative Cluster :)
& Expelled me from The Church of $cientology :)
Free at LAST!
www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)
www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos)
www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS)
www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia)
or Type in Scientology in Google
(Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
mag...@charter.net
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044
"They, who give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
kennethno...@gmail.com
> Recently I wasn't sure if "Anonymous" was actually part of
> $cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
> they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
> realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
>
> My view stays the same about legal or not. Tonight, as an example,
> on Channel 9, there was a piece about "Hackers, hacking Scientology's web
> sites". The UCLA representative spoke about how "The hackers claim they are
> doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free speech.
> However, they hacking their Web sites is also stopping free speech". See how
> that worked?Did that educate people about Scientology's abuses? You *might*
> think so,
> but if you saw the piece--it basically skimmed over that, and onto how "The
> Hackers are stopping free speech".
[snip]
Well said Tory.
I sure hope the Press reports this story fairly. These haxors are not
hacking a religion. These haxors are not targeting any individuals
for their beliefs. This is not comparable to taking down a Catholic
website. These haxors would not do this to a Catholic website. They
are doing it because Scientology stops free speech. They are doing
this in an attempt to put an end to this evil, dangerous, money
making, life ruining cult.
I don't agree with what these haxors are doing but I also hope the
media isn't confused of what is going on here. I agree with you Tory,
the more we hear the media say things like "this is about religion" or
"stopping Scientology free speech", the longer the 'Church' of
Scientology will be able to use this to their advantage.
--------------------------------------------
Tom Cruise "crazy" Scientology video:
http://www.scientomogy.com/tom_cruise_secret_scientology_video.php
Magoo
<kennethno...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 25, 1:42 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Recently I wasn't sure if "Anonymous" was actually part of
>> $cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
>> they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
>> realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
>>
>> My view stays the same about legal or not. Tonight, as an example,
>> on Channel 9, there was a piece about "Hackers, hacking Scientology's web
>> sites". The UCLA representative spoke about how "The hackers claim they
>> are
>> doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free
>> speech.
>> However, they hacking their Web sites is also stopping free speech". See
>> how
>> that worked?Did that educate people about Scientology's abuses? You
>> *might*
>> think so,
>> but if you saw the piece--it basically skimmed over that, and onto how
>> "The
>> Hackers are stopping free speech".
>
> [snip]
>
> Well said Tory.
Thanks :)
>
> I sure hope the Press reports this story fairly. These haxors are not
> hacking a religion. These haxors are not targeting any individuals
> for their beliefs. This is not comparable to taking down a Catholic
> website. These haxors would not do this to a Catholic website. They
> are doing it because Scientology stops free speech. They are doing
> this in an attempt to put an end to this evil, dangerous, money
> making, life ruining cult.
Very well said! Unfortunately, so far, that *isn't* being pushed, by the
media. We'll see how it plays out, but I cannot imagine them getting the
message this way. I've said it since I heard the "Anonymous" Message, and
now it's playing out just like I said I thought it would.
Which IS my point to them: Do they want *a* win, or truly to make a
differnce? There lies the difference.
>
> I don't agree with what these haxors are doing but I also hope the
> media isn't confused of what is going on here. I agree with you Tory,
> the more we hear the media say things like "this is about religion" or
> "stopping Scientology free speech", the longer the 'Church' of
> Scientology will be able to use this to their advantage.
Argh. The nice thing is we KNOW---no matter what---no matter the distraction
(I can hear OSA floor mats clapping their hands)---but count my words: Tick
Tock, Tick Tock---Time IS On our side. Karma *will* catch up with them, as
this isn't our doing---and the message from the critics is still the same,
we're still here, we will expose their abuses.
My best to you :)
Tory/Magoo~~
WolfyRik
> <kennethnoisewat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
This whole affair is getting interesting. I also have spoken with
someone in Anon. It seems likely that a certain someone
*cough*cult*cough* is using Anon as a cover for spamming forums. So
Anon. seems to be being used as an excuse for more attacks on free-
speech covertly. And with your suggestions in mind, it may be that
they are using this situation to "victimise" themselves.
Hartley Patterson
> Recently I wasn't sure if "Anonymous" was actually part of
> $cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
> they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
> realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
Glad you are back on message :-)
> "The hackers claim they are
> doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free speech.
> However, their hacking their Web sites is also stopping free speech".
Perceptive, for an academic. A point perhaps worth making is that the
cultural background is different here. The *chans come from anime fan
websites, they read comics. I assume you've seen the movie V for Vendetta?
We come from elsewhere, from inside the cult, from the old Internet
Freedom activism. Two communities looking at a problem from different
perspectives, of course we don't agree.
> It diffuses Scientology's
> abuses, making yours seem equally as bad.
The world is full of activist movements that are failing because they
forgot this, revolutionaries who finance themselves by bank robberies and
drug dealing for example. We cannot win unless the people are behind us,
as I'm sure someone like Chairman Mao must have said.
--
Hartley Patterson
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
http://news-from-bree.blogspot.com
roger gonnet
news:vhhmj.2126$_k7...@newsfe06.lga...
> Recently I wasn't sure if "Anonymous" was actually part of
> $cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
> they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
> realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
>
> My view stays the same about legal or not. Tonight, as an example,
> on Channel 9, there was a piece about "Hackers, hacking Scientology's web
> sites". The UCLA representative spoke about how "The hackers claim they
> are doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free
> speech. However, they hacking their Web sites is also stopping free
> speech". See how that worked?Did that educate people about Scientology's
> abuses? You *might* think so,
> but if you saw the piece--it basically skimmed over that, and onto how
> "The Hackers are stopping free speech".
That's why methinks the scam cult can be the source of this hacking. Scam
cult is terribly bad because of the ridicule from Cruise's video, the bio
from Cruise, and perhaps much worse still, the sequestration of the sister
of a french senior senior scientologist by three others, the brother himself
having taken the girl (47) to where she was under close guard (Baby Watch? I
presume.) .
Since we have a number of other witnessings from people having been under
baby watch in Europe and the horrid case of Lisa McPherson, since we have
the "Lisa McPherson clause" as an evidence that such criminal ways are
indeed foreseen and used in the cult since even after Lisa's 'assassination'
in the cult's LaMecque, this new case - the girl being under guard in very
unhygienic counditions and half naked, I would bet that this case is major
major even over Cruise's and DM's videotaped problems.
The issue in the public of some video passages of the hardsell event of june
2007, joined to the quasi-scam and certainly squirreling performed by DM
when reissuing these books, could lead the cult to the period before 1993. I
wonder how any US Congress or IRS or President could allow such practices.
That's certainly also why the cult (Who else??) sent a super-super-paid
italian attorney so as to try to get the 3 scientologists off their jail;
jessicat
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> a écrit dans le message denews:vhhmj.2126$_k7...@newsfe06.lga...
> >www.xenutv.com(Excellent videos)
> >www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)
> >www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(Top Secret Int Mafia)
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > "They, who give up essential liberty
> > to purchase a little temporary safety,
> > deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> > -- Benjamin Franklin
http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology
Hello, leaders of Scientology. We are Anonymous.
Over the years, we have been watching you. Your campaigns of
misinformation, your suppression of dissent, your litigious nature,
all of these things have caught our eye. With the leakage of your
latest propaganda video into mainstream circulation, the extent of
your malign influence over those who have come to trust you as leaders
has been made clear to us. Anonymous has therefore decided that your
organization should be destroyed. For the good of your followers, for
the good of mankind everywhere. You will find no recourse in attack,
because for each of us that falls, ten more will take his/her place.
We are cognizant of the many who may decry our methods as parallel to
those of the Church of Scientology. Those who espouse the obvious
truth that your organization will use the actions of Anonymous as an
example of the persecution of which you have for so long warned your
followers. This is acceptable to Anonymous. In fact, it is encouraged.
We are your SPs.
Over time, as we begin to merge our pulse with that of your Church,
the suppression of your followers will become increasingly difficult
to maintain. Believers will become aware that salvation needn't come
at the expense of their livelihood. They will become aware that the
stress and the frustration that they feel is not due to us, but a
source much closer to them. Yes, we are SPs. But the sum of
suppression we could ever muster is eclipsed by that of your own RTC.
Knowledge is free.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
mp3 of the copypasta above: http://rapidshare.com/files/86493808/anonymous.mp3.html
eddieVroom
> That was my major point. Scientology WILL use this as "PR" to align with
> other religions: "Look what is happening to us. You'd better help us as THIS
Engaging in such a dialog is very likely to open the door to questions
that Co$ probably doesn't *want* to answer. If they try to work the
press, it seems almost certain to turn into a circus. I can almost hear
the newscritters salivating.
> COULD HAPPEN TO YOU". Also, instead of talking about TC's Video or Andrew's
> new book, (Both things Scientology DOESN'T want seen)--- they're doing a
> piece on hacking, basically against you all. It diffuses Scientology's
> abuses, making yours seem equally as bad. I'm just trying to help you all
> see what works, and what doesn't. If all you want is press, well, you got
> it.
Co$ unwittingly pissed on an electric fence. That's all that's happening
here. Anonymous will do what Anonymous is going to do.
The "SP Community" has traditionally operated with civil restraint, and
I see no reason to abandon that. My suggestion is that we, as
individuals, take care of our side of the street, relax and enjoy the
train wreck.
BTW, has 8-80 been in circulation before?
--
the Tortured Spark - a Light in the Dark
the Mystical RevvedErrand Doktor eddieVroom
Northern Lights Motor Lodge
Knights of the Visible Wank-L
He only comes out when I drink my Djinn...
Magoo
"WolfyRik" <Wolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Remember, when I **Finally** realized the phony accounts I was opening up
were being used to STOP FREE SPEECH, I asked Yaude (My auditor/friend who
got me into doing it)----
"Won't this OBVIOUSLY be Scientology?"
His response, I kid you not:
"Oh no! We're spamming all kind of OTHER newsgroups and internet sites, so
no on will know"
Take head (Or is it heed? :)
To the A group: Watch your backs, listen to 'new' people there, know the
history of OSA>
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Hartley Patterson" <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> mag...@charter.net:
>> Recently I wasn't sure if "Anonymous" was actually part of
>> $cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
>> they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
>> realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
>
> Glad you are back on message :-)
>
>> "The hackers claim they are
>> doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free
>> speech.
>> However, their hacking their Web sites is also stopping free speech".
>
> Perceptive, for an academic. A point perhaps worth making is that the
> cultural background is different here. The *chans come from anime fan
> websites, they read comics. I assume you've seen the movie V for Vendetta?
> We come from elsewhere, from inside the cult, from the old Internet
> Freedom activism. Two communities looking at a problem from different
> perspectives, of course we don't agree.
The thing I've enjoyed with the people I've spoken with is they are very
interested in learning. That's new----especially if it is kids. (No offense,
but hey, I remember being a kid/teen and "knowing everything". Hey! *I*
Joined a CULT!)
The people I've spoken with aren't kids---they're in their 20s/30s.
>
>> It diffuses Scientology's
>> abuses, making yours seem equally as bad.
>
> The world is full of activist movements that are failing because they
> forgot this, revolutionaries who finance themselves by bank robberies and
> drug dealing for example. We cannot win unless the people are behind us,
> as I'm sure someone like Chairman Mao must have said.
Well, as I said, the great news is we (the critics) can count on Scientology
Screwing themselves, all by themselves at this point.
That's why I say, tick tock, tick tock---every day one more person
may leave, and every hour one more MAY SPEAK OUT!
:)
Freedom *does* have a delicious feel, doesn't it?
Tory/Magoo~~~
Magoo
"roger gonnet" <roger....@chello.fr> wrote in message
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> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> a écrit dans le message de
> news:vhhmj.2126$_k7...@newsfe06.lga...
>> Recently I wasn't sure if "Anonymous" was actually part of
>> $cientology, or not. Since I've talked to more than one person who says
>> they are a part of Anonymous---and done some further research...I've
>> realized I was wrong, and I'm happy to admit it.
>>
>> My view stays the same about legal or not. Tonight, as an example,
>> on Channel 9, there was a piece about "Hackers, hacking Scientology's web
>> sites". The UCLA representative spoke about how "The hackers claim they
>> are doing this as Scientology has been using the Internet to stop free
>> speech. However, they hacking their Web sites is also stopping free
>> speech". See how that worked?Did that educate people about Scientology's
>> abuses? You *might* think so,
>> but if you saw the piece--it basically skimmed over that, and onto how
>> "The Hackers are stopping free speech".
>
> That's why methinks the scam cult can be the source of this hacking.
Type in "Anonymous" Roger, in Google and watch the video from the TV
Channel---that's them. It doesn't show them in a good light, but others have
confirmed, that is who we're speaking with. Also, there's more to that story
(They told me) than wasn't part of the interview.
(The kid in the show sort of flipped them off, so they went--hey, flip *us*
off? So Scientology WILL get in there, and I wouldn't doubt TRY to turn them
against the critics. The people I've spoken with told me they're way hip to
that---it won't work. We'll see)
Either way, I still wouldn't doubt at all Scientology IS part of it, as
Yaude told me, "We're spamming other newsgroups, too, Tory".
Why not these guys---at least now.
Tory/Magoo~~
jessicat
> To the A group: Watch your backs, listen to 'new' people there, know the
> history of OSA>
>
ex-scientologists are more than welcome to join with us and develop
strategy.
can any of them confirm that this video is still in use?
anothers...@hotmail.com
> > To the A group: Watch your backs, listen to 'new' people there, know the
> > history of OSA>
>
> ex-scientologists are more than welcome to join with us and develop
> strategy.
> can any of them confirm that this video is still in use?
>
I wouldn't know about the video, but in case you haven't seen it, here
is a very articulate letter written by David Miscavige's niece
regarding the Disconnection Policy -- she herself is a victim of it
(David Miscavige is the current leader of scientology, CoB of the
RTC):
ladayla
( snipped)
You may or may not know this. In auditing "oldtimers", I have many
times heard stories of how the old Missions would plan and carry out
"raids" and other dirty tricks against THEMSELVES. Of course, it was
at the behest of the Hub. I realize this statement looks like a
generality, but those of you who have audited 1000's of PCs will know
that eventually the stories all sort of run together and you don't
recall what one PC said from what another told. To try for a specific,
I remember an old Missionholder named Harvey something and I think it
was Omaha telling the auditor ( me) about a "raid" that they ran on
themselves in the mid-1950s.
It was my first thought that cos could be behind the anon attacks on
their websites. I guess time will show what is false or true.
la
>
Magoo
"jessicat" <moj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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That is NOT a video from Scientology. Their photography and sound
are far better than that, I must say. I couldn't stand to watch it
all----but what 's the point?Is it a joke on Scientology?
Yeah...often in our pickets people ask to join, and we're happy to have them
join, as long as they're peaceful.
Every so often we have *someone* join, who I can tell was paid by
Scientology/OSA---Sort of a "Here's $20 kid---go start yelling over there
for 15 minutes, ok?" You can tell it's not their idea--by how they act.
Religion? My ASS!
Happy Friday :)
Tory/Magoo~~~
>
>
>
>
Magoo
<anothers...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Excellent letter. I'm always amazed at how Scientologists in public
HAVE to lie. Here's one here, that Scientology's PR just lied on a radio
show with me, day before yesterday:
I asked, "Why--if you're so great and wonderful, do you have to:
1) Lie about your x-Members?
2) Break up families?
3) Stop Free speech?
You can see in this letter, one of their responses to #2)
"
'7. Does Scientology encourage their members not to speak to
their family if they don't support the religion?
'This allegation is not only false, it is the opposite of what the
Church believes and practices.' -Karin Pouw"
That is a FLAT OUT LIE. I've talked to tons and tons and TONS
of famlies, children, wives, husbands, business partners ALL who cannot
speak with their loved ones, due to Scientology.
I used "Good roads, Fair Weather" (Only talking about nothing) to my Mom for
my entire adult life, until I woke up and left Scientology, forever.
Argh----religion? MY ASS!
Tory/Magoo~~~
Magoo
"ladayla" <mor...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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( snipped)
la
I DO Know of that, la, as I watched it, in action. That was my original
theory---and I'm still watching, as Yaude told me:
"We are spamming many other newsgroups, too".
Which is why I'm trying to tell them to listen, and watch, and certainly do
only legal things. They're getting how OSA Loves illegal trips, in any form.
I wouldn't put it past OSA AT ALL to try to turn this group
against us. Happily---the people I've talked to are VERY aware
of "infiltration".
But you, and I, la know how deep those creeps will go.
Most people miss it. We'll see-----we'll see. One thing we KNOW:
Scientology, all by their little ol selves, WILL screw themsleves, every
single time. Tick Tock, DM, Tick Tock......(Karma *is* a bitch, isn't it?
When you're on the wrong side of truth---time is NOT on your side).
My best :)
Tory/Magoo~~~
>
anothers...@hotmail.com
> "jessicat" <mojo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dce47898-9a33-4396...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> To the A group: Watch your backs, listen to 'new' people there, know the
> >> history of OSA>
>
> > ex-scientologists are more than welcome to join with us and develop
> > strategy.
> > can any of them confirm that this video is still in use?
>
>
> That is NOT a video from Scientology. Their photography and sound
> are far better than that, I must say. I couldn't stand to watch it
> all----but what 's the point?Is it a joke on Scientology?
>
> Yeah...often in our pickets people ask to join, and we're happy to have them
> join, as long as they're peaceful.
>
> Every so often we have *someone* join, who I can tell was paid by
> Scientology/OSA---Sort of a "Here's $20 kid---go start yelling over there
> for 15 minutes, ok?" You can tell it's not their idea--by how they act.
>
> Religion? My ASS!
>
> Happy Friday :)
>
> Tory/Magoo~~~
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Actually, I think this IS a scientology-produced video from several
years ago. See here:
http://defamer.com/348114/newly-unearthed-scientology-orientation-video-reveals-churchs-mind-control-tactics-but-without-it-kirstie-alley-would-be-dead
They have a slightly shorter version of this film -- in it, Kirstie
looks a lot younger -- this film is at /least/ 20 years old.
The article has a link to the longer version, which opens the same way
as the link provided by jessicat:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Scientology-Orientation-Video-watch-it-while-you-can
It looks to me like it was recorded in a theatre (the film is a
recording of the film made be a spectator). You can see at the
beginning of it that it's on a screen and you can see the ceiling,
walls... Anyway, that's part of why the thing looks grainy and camera
movements seem odd.
I could be wrong but I don't think so.
barb
> "jessicat" <moj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dce47898-9a33-4396...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>> To the A group: Watch your backs, listen to 'new' people there, know the
>>> history of OSA>
>>>
>> ex-scientologists are more than welcome to join with us and develop
>> strategy.
>> can any of them confirm that this video is still in use?
>>
>> http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1129189306902637083&q=scientology+duration%3Along&total=276&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
>
> That is NOT a video from Scientology. Their photography and sound
> are far better than that, I must say. I couldn't stand to watch it
> all----but what 's the point?Is it a joke on Scientology?
It's a video taken of the film inside an org's theater room.
>
> Yeah...often in our pickets people ask to join, and we're happy to have them
> join, as long as they're peaceful.
>
> Every so often we have *someone* join, who I can tell was paid by
> Scientology/OSA---Sort of a "Here's $20 kid---go start yelling over there
> for 15 minutes, ok?" You can tell it's not their idea--by how they act.
>
> Religion? My ASS!
>
> Happy Friday :)
>
> Tory/Magoo~~~
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> "They, who give up essential liberty
> to purchase a little temporary safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> -- Benjamin Franklin
Anonymous is not an organization, from the CoS or anywhere else.
Anonymous is an identity, a cultural meme if you will. Someone
referring to Anonymous or being Anonymous, or saying "Anonymous is
doing this." is rather like referring to themselves in the personal
plural.
Anonymous is an internet cultural phenomenon that originated in
4chan.org's /b/ - Random board. Users can choose to post anonymously,
and so often deeds were blamed on "Anonymous," getting to the point
that people would write full posts and letters to Anonymous as a
nonexistant collective entity. From there, the cultural phenomenon
spread throughout 4chan's spinoff boards like 7chan and to other
groups of internet malcontents, criminals, and vandals.
Anonymous as a whole has no ideology. The persons posting as
"anonymous" do not speak for an organized group, indeed the entire
incident is not much more than a series of copycats incidents growing
exponentially. One person declares a vendetta on Scientology in the
name of truth, freedom, "for the lulz," or whatever. Then, through
modes of transport like Internet Relay Chat, message boards, forums,
youtube, and so on, people pick up the banner and continue to copy
that message, also calling themselves "Anonymous." This pattern is
common throughout /b/ - Random and /i/ - Invasion which have no top-
down hierarchy but consist mostly of someone saying "Hey, let's screw
something up for the heck of it" and everyone else following along
just to be a vandal.
This is the first time anything of this magnitude has ever occured
against a symbol and organization like the Church of Scientology
though. The pattern is common, but it has never been on such a scale
as this before. Attacks of this magnitude lead people to think that
Anonymous is somehow an organization, but it couldn't be farther from
the truth. There are actual organized groups that refer to themselves
as "Anonymous," and attribute their deeds to the fictional entity,
using the confusion created by this event to do their deeds with less
fear of retaliation. They are not Anonymous, no one person or entity
can be Anonymous, just as no one man can be "American" or "Chinese."
The do not define the identity, only contribute to it.
Anyone who attaches the label to themselves is Anonymous.
We are Anonymous.
We are Legion.
Anonymous does not forget.
--Anonymous
jessicat
http://partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology 404'd
pool's closed
how much did they give you, LiteSpeed?
Jommy Cross
wrote in msg <HEpmj.64$9l1...@eagle.america.net>:
<snip>
>BTW, has 8-80 been in circulation before?
Yeah. The 0-48 archive had it.
Sweet Elvis, these jokes are all numbers. What's *happening* to us, Brad?
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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"barb" <xenu...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Magoo wrote:
>> "jessicat" <moj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:dce47898-9a33-4396...@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> To the A group: Watch your backs, listen to 'new' people there, know
>>>> the
>>>> history of OSA>
>>>>
>>> ex-scientologists are more than welcome to join with us and develop
>>> strategy.
>>> can any of them confirm that this video is still in use?
>>>
>>> http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1129189306902637083&q=scientology+duration%3Along&total=276&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
>>
>> That is NOT a video from Scientology. Their photography and sound
>> are far better than that, I must say. I couldn't stand to watch it
>> all----but what 's the point?Is it a joke on Scientology?
>
> It's a video taken of the film inside an org's theater room.
Ok, that makes sense, thanks
T
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Anonymous is right, anyone who calls themselves anonymous truly
embodies the spirit of Anonymous.
However the Anonymous phenomenon can be called something else which
some of you who watch anime may be familiar with:
A Stand Alone Complex.
Here is a brief explanation from wiki:
"While originally intended to "underscore the dilemmas and concerns
that people would face if they relied too heavily on the new
communications infrastructure,"[1] Stand Alone Complex eventually came
to represent a phenomenon where unrelated, yet very similar actions of
individuals create a seemingly concerted effort.
A Stand Alone Complex can be compared to the copycat behavior that
often occurs after incidents such as serial murders or terrorist
attacks. An incident catches the public's attention and certain types
of people "get on the bandwagon", so to speak. It is particularly
apparent when the incident appears to be the result of well-known
political or religious beliefs, but it can also occur in response to
intense media attention. For example, a mere fire, no matter the
number of deaths, is just a garden variety tragedy. However, if the
right kind of people begin to believe it was arson, caused by
deliberate action, the threat increases drastically that more arsons
will be committed.
What separates the Stand Alone Complex from normal copycat behavior is
that the originator of the copied action is not even a real person,
but merely a rumored figure that commits said action. Even without
instruction or leadership a certain type of person will spring into
action to imitate the rumored action and move toward the same goal
even if only subconsciously. The result is an epidemic of copied
behavior-with no originator. One could say that the Stand Alone
Complex is mass hysteria-with purpose.
This is not unlike the concepts of memes (refer to the conversation
between the major and the Puppet Master in the manga) and second-order
simulacra. It also has ties to social theory, as illustrated in the
work of Frederic Jameson and Masachi Osawa"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_%28philosophy%29#Stand_Alone_Complex
with this explanation in hand, understand that the news media is used
to dealing with groups that actually have leaders to talk to whilst
anonymous is a nebulous entity that's continued existance is dependant
on those amongst the body politic who support the ideology. Thus, the
DDOS attacks performed by certain members of Anonymous cannot truly
reflect upon the whole. While this makes Anonymous dangerous to the
current power structure of not only scientology but western society as
we know it, it also shamelessly supports the idea of democracy
although not in traditional terms. This is because Anonymous is the
true voice of the people. While individuals may decry the methodology
initially used to gain the attention the fact of the matter is that
the majority of Anonymous has stopped those attacks and instead has
embarked upon creating the largest mass demonstration that the world
has ever known. While this response may seem like it is a repitition
of the original post it is more like a clarification. The fact of the
matter is that at the end of the day everyone and anyone can end up
being a member of Anonymous just through an action as simple as
posting on a message board, usenet, or other means of mass
communication that the Net affords us. Even those that lend support to
Anonymous such as Magoo , such as when she walked members of Anonymous
around the LA celebrity center, yet do not identify with Anonymous
still in the end playing thier part the whole that is Anonymous. So be
very weary the 10th of Febuary, we shall bring light to thier muderous
plot, i see no reason why the scientologists treason should ever be
forgot.
Signed,
Anonymous
We Are Anonymous
We Are Legion
We Do Not Forgive
We Do Not Forget
Expect US!