Did LRH ever mention his mom and dad?
cultxpt
series where LRH is talking about his dad...
"Now, the answer kiddies is make more money. I by the way had a, let
me
tell you a little anecdote. I had a bad experience with this one
time.
I told the wrong man, I told my father this one time, I got tired of
all of his talking about me and money and so forth, he knew nothing
about money and he knew nothing about me, been a naval officer all of
his life. I was often making a month what he made in a year. I don't
know, the unreality of people is gorgeous. And he told me that once
too often and I was just out of hospital, it was at the end of the
war, and my temper was rather short. And I turned on him and I said,
"Look," I said, "Don't go telling me this anymore, I've listened to
it
most of my life and it's not true," I said, "Look at yourself. You've
been making money all of your life, you haven't got anything to show
for it, you spend your money like a drunken sailor. Now, why don't
you
make more money?" So he did. He got ahold of my yacht and sold it.
And
having done that, he sold my ranch, well anyway, he made more money.
So it doesn't always work that the message goes through straight, but
it is the answer, it is the answer."
I don't believe I've ever read where LRH, or even Scientology for
that matter, actually talked about his mom and dad. Does anyone know
of any quotes? I seem to recall someone saying that once LRH's dad was
on the Apollo ship with him and asked who all the cute Messengers
were. When he found out he told LRH "good job, son."
LRH's parent's grave in Helena, Montana;
http://www.jeffjacobsen.org/images/lrh_parents_grave_helena.jpg
Skipper
<eca3be3b-d858-4861...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
cultxpt <cul...@gmail.com> wrote:
That was me who told that story, which came to me from Yvonne Jentzsch,
Gerry's former mother-in-law and perhaps the biggest victim of Elwrong.
Elwrong had a yacht and a ranch that his father sold? Sure he did. Not.
Here's another story agent Forry Ackerman told me. He was at his place
in Los Feliz one day and his client Elwrong came bounding down the
steps yelling, "Forry, Forry! I need $50. I owe my ex-wife alimony and
if I don't pay it she's gonna put me in jail."
This was, naturally, before Elwrong came up with the religion scam he
dubbed $cientology, stealing a name to go with the stolen "technology."
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
I don't know about the "good job son" story, but I did meet Harry Ross
Hubbard when he came to the ship. We were in Barbados at the time.
What stuck with me was that his voice was startlingly similar to L.
Ron's; or really that Ron had inherited, or adopted, Harry's voice.
Hubbard did talk about his parents at times in his lectures, and of
course his stories about them tend to be as contradictory as his
stories about his nuclear physics education, his research or his
wives.
We've got a few mentions on Refund and Reparation in the Old Man's
Case Book section:
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=123&Itemid=163
Here's Ledora May, the animal lover:
My mother, who is a very little person, very small person, used to
take a stick or a chain to this malamute and just used to beat him and
beat him and beat him to make him stop chasing cows.
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1265&Itemid=203
Lecture: The Purpose of Human Evaluation
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=732&Itemid=203
Lecture: Further Introduction To Dianetics
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=731&Itemid=203
Hubbard wrote about his parents in his autobiographical notes or
[]biographical sketches, and doubtlessly Scientology has some of these
on its Ron pages. The Hubbard biographies -- Blue Sky, Madman, and
Bare-Faced Messiah -- all contain, I believe, some of his observations
about his parents.
I just remembered one of Hubbard's descriptors for his mother,
"thoroughly educated woman." Check this out:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2uur8s
And there are Hubbard's admissions that mention his parents:
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html
[Quote]
Self pity and conceit are not wrong. Your mother was in error.
Masturbation does not injure or make insane. Your parents were in
error. Everyone masturbates.
[...]
You are tolerant towards your mother and Father. You loved them. You
have no respect for their opinions for you know much more. You are
always kind to them. Their good opinion of you is assured. Their good
opinion and praise mean nothing whatever to you. Only Flavia Julia and
then the All Powerful have opinions worth inclining toward. You have
always done right by your parents. You did your best. You have no
worries about it. Your mother's theories on psychology were wrong.
They do not now affect you.
[End Quote]
Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
angel."
Š Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Skipper
Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
> © Gerry Armstrong
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Flavia Julia? LMAO. Any relation to Raul Julia?
Sounds like a gay angel. That explains a lot.
FlyingMaidenO...@gmail.com
> Gerry
L. Ron Hubbard honored his parents who are not those that Cultxpt and
his friends mentioned.
Cultpxt is Jeff Jacobsen.
The Jacobsen Family Limited Partnership
According to Jeff Jacobsen he is a small business manager in a family
business that includes a singles newspaper, TV ventures, and a video
store. Jacobsen also states that he manages his father, Harlan
Jacobsen, affairs in Phoenix and the computer systems for his father
business in South Dakota.
This section of the web site is dedicated to providing public and
court records concerning Harlan Jacobsen and the Jacobsen Family
Limited Partnership.
Let's begin with a 1997 report of the Department of Revenue concerning
the business Jacobsen manages:
"State v. Jacobsen, S.Ct. No. 20099.
Harlan Jacobsen is the owner and publisher of Solo R.F.D., a monthly
singles publication. Jacobsen failed to file returns or pay sales tax
for the sale of Solo R.F.D publications. Consequently, the Secretary
of Revenue revoked the license. Jacobsen intentionally continued to
sell Solo R.F.D. publications in South Dakota. In March, 1997, a jury
found him guilty of operating as a retailer after his sales tax
license had been revoked, a class 6 felony."
The relevant documents can be found here: Tax Documents.
Quaoar
Info, pertinent or not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Flavia
Julia Flavia (17 September 64 - 91) was daughter to the Emperor Titus
from his second marriage to the well-connected Marcia Furnilla, though
possibly from his first marriage to Arrecina Tertulla. Titus divorced
Furnilla after Julia's birth and conquered Jerusalem on Julia's sixth
birthday. Julia was born in Rome. She was also known as Flavia Julia,
Julia, Flavia, Flavia Julia Titii, Titii Julia and Julia Titii.
When growing up, Titus offered her in marriage to his brother Domitian,
but he refused because of his infatuation with Domitia Longina. Later
she married her second cousin Titus Flavius Sabinus (consul 82), brother
to consul Titus Flavius Clemens, who married her first cousin Flavia
Domitilla. By then Domitian had seduced her.
When her father and husband died, in the words of Dio 67.3, Domitian:
['] [I] lived with [her] as husband with wife, making little effort
at concealment. Then upon the demands of the people he became reconciled
with Domitia, but continued his relations with Julia none the less.
Falling pregnant, Julia died of what was rumoured (though unlikely) to
be a forced abortion. Julia was deified and her ashes were later mixed
with Domitian's by an old nurse secretly in the Temple of the Flavians.
(Suetonius,Domitian 17.3) [']
Skipper
<qua...@marcabfleet.net> wrote:
And this was Elwrong's guardian angel? That's one of the weirdest of
the very weird things I've heard about him.
roger gonnet
news:eca3be3b-d858-4861...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
That's incredible indeed. I can't believe he dared to write such fucking
defamations about his father. Since he was also said to have pretended that
his mother was a lesbian, that adds to the facts:this guy had lots of Missed
Withholds re his parents!
r
roger gonnet
news:311220071633498590%dadw...@gmail.not...
I don't think it's applicable here; perhaps some reminiscence of hubbard's
short education in literature - he had that name somewhere in his memory but
not related to the true person??
Heidrun Beer
>Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
>angel."
That's the first time I realize that LRH perceived a guardian
angel. Are there more such references?
Heidrun Beer
Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
http://www.sgmt.at
http://www.RecastReality.org
Emma
"Heidrun Beer" <hB...@sgmt.at> wrote in message
news:l63kn31t3nesc56d6...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:30 -0800, Gerry Armstrong
> <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
>>Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
>>angel."
>
>
>
> That's the first time I realize that LRH perceived a guardian
> angel. Are there more such references?
>
Also in his admissions he speaks of a "Raon".
"(d1) That I see and hear Raon clearly."
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html
I presume that to be some other Guardian Angel.
-Emma
Jommy Cross
msg <l63kn31t3nesc56d6...@4ax.com>:
>On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:30 -0800, Gerry Armstrong
><ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
>>Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
>>angel."
>
>
>
>That's the first time I realize that LRH perceived a guardian
>angel. Are there more such references?
>
>
The OTO system Hubbard and Parsons were following says everyone has a Holy
Guardian Angel. Adepts supposedly gain the knowledge and conversation of
the HGA, yielding enormously powerful results. Alas, if you examine the
biographies of those who have undertaken this procedure, it seems about as
useful as OT VII.
On which point, I think there are parallels between hooking up with your
HGA on the Astral Plane and self auditing out your BTs with a magic meter.
Hubbard made BTs a little more malevolent than the HGA, but HGAs aren't
necessarily all sweetness and light.
Both favored ritual and chemical assistance in reaching the Astral
Plane/Dianetic Reverie, though Hubbard later went off the chemicals idea
somewhat.
The essence is the same: you have a crowd of invisible partners trailing
round with you, and I can sell you the means to communicate with them. Buy
now!
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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>
> "Heidrun Beer" <hB...@sgmt.at> wrote in message
> news:l63kn31t3nesc56d6...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:30 -0800, Gerry Armstrong
>> <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
>>>angel."
>>
>>
>>
>> That's the first time I realize that LRH perceived a guardian
>> angel. Are there more such references?
>>
>
> Also in his admissions he speaks of a "Raon".
>
> "(d1) That I see and hear Raon clearly."
>
> http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/ars/ars-2000-03-11.html
>
> I presume that to be some other Guardian Angel.
he worked on one, he called it The Guardian, then the Controller. Then Miss
cabbage twisted it to the OSA, the Order of Sacred Assholes.
Uh, sorry, OSA, sorry, new year is a bad time for bad jokes on bad cults.
r
Gerry Armstrong
>On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:30 -0800, Gerry Armstrong <ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>
>>Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
>>angel."
>
>
>
>That's the first time I realize that LRH perceived a guardian
>angel. Are there more such references?
Yes. Hubbard's admissions contain a number of references, e.g.:
[Quote]
(z) That I need not subscribe to any moral code of sex anywhere. That
I am constant to Sara. I have no terrors of sex or sexual conduct.
Only pleasure and beauty are contained in it. That I may please myself
with the act or be pleased with sexual things. That the sexual matters
taught me by Flavia do not apply. My chastity lies in loving Sara.
[End Quote]
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=465&Itemid=197
[Quote]
You are psychic. You do not need to "press" to receive communication.
You can let "people" in any world talk to you while you are wide
awake. You can see them clearly. You have no doubts of any kind about
them. You are afraid of none of them but can cancel them out at will
if they are evil to you.
The voice of your holy Guardian is distinct from all the rest. It
comes to you loud and clear. You can see her with brilliant clarity
when you wish.
[End Quote]
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=464&Itemid=197
There were several other mentions in other Hubbard writings in his
archive, which I don't have.
John W. Parsons describes Hubbard's HGA in a letter to Aleister
Crowley.
[Quote]
Although Ron has no formal training in Magick, he has an extraordinary
amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his
experiences I deduced that he is in direct touch with some higher
intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He describes his Angel as a
beautiful winged woman with red hair whom he calls the Empress...He is
the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord
with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New
Aeon.
[End Quote]
http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=426&Itemid=203
>
>
>
>
>
>Heidrun Beer
>
>Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
>http://www.sgmt.at
>http://www.RecastReality.org
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Gerry Armstrong
Cross) wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:50:42 +0100, Heidrun Beer <hB...@sgmt.at> wrote in
>msg <l63kn31t3nesc56d6...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:30 -0800, Gerry Armstrong
>><ge...@gerryarmstrong.org> wrote:
>>
>>>Flavia Julia, of course, is the name he gave to his "holy guardian
>>>angel."
>>
>>
>>
>>That's the first time I realize that LRH perceived a guardian
>>angel. Are there more such references?
>>
>>
>
>The OTO system Hubbard and Parsons were following says everyone has a Holy
>Guardian Angel. Adepts supposedly gain the knowledge and conversation of
>the HGA, yielding enormously powerful results. Alas, if you examine the
>biographies of those who have undertaken this procedure, it seems about as
>useful as OT VII.
>
>On which point, I think there are parallels between hooking up with your
>HGA on the Astral Plane and self auditing out your BTs with a magic meter.
>Hubbard made BTs a little more malevolent than the HGA, but HGAs aren't
>necessarily all sweetness and light.
>
>Both favored ritual and chemical assistance in reaching the Astral
>Plane/Dianetic Reverie, though Hubbard later went off the chemicals idea
>somewhat.
Yes, somewhat, as in for his elementals, us scienosuckers. He
continued to get it on chemically himself probably until his last hit
of Vistaril.
>
>The essence is the same: you have a crowd of invisible partners trailing
>round with you, and I can sell you the means to communicate with them. Buy
>now!
>
>Ever yours in fandom,
>Jommy Cross
>
>---------------------------------------------------
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>before you hallucinate
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http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
The Dark Lord
Ron, or at least Ron felt that way.
Heidrun Beer
Hi Gerry,
this was very substantial, thanks a lot!
Gerry Armstrong
wrote:
>
>
>Hi Gerry,
>
>
>this was very substantial, thanks a lot!
You're welcome. Happy New Year!
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Quaoar
Heh! "Rayon" was the label on his cravat.
Q