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Safe ... www.fza.org

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Kevin Brady wrote ...

"By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
mathmatics or a study.

To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
Scientology."

I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
got lost in the deep thread where it came from.

I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
identifying ...

scientology/CofS = SAME THING

This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle the
control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in order
to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.

Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
efforts.

So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the empire.

Yours for using strategy,
Safe, an authentic, informed NON-CofS scientologist

--
"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all
subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat
us."

-- Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas (Justice for 36 years)

David Miscavige, Ban Church of Scientology Censorship Software now!

For freedom of discussion of CofS's unethical behavior, go to ...

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/churchofscientologysethics

Lronscam

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"Safe ... www.fza.org" wrote:

Bark, bark, bark Safe. Can't change Scientology; can't change ARS and
you can't change your writing style. You are losing a lost cause. I
won't repeat myself much more. Change what you can have an effect on. I
will reasonably argue with you here.


>
> Kevin Brady wrote ...
>
> "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
> the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
> to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> mathmatics or a study.

I have no problem with an organization owning a subject by reasonable
acquisition or preponderance of influence on it. Scientology went beyond
my agreement of what it is to own a subject. There is a right way and a
wrong way to look at a philosophy as intended by the originator of that
particular philosophy. Scientology was intended to be what it is today.
It was intended to make LRH a god through his creation. It was made to
be tough and withstand a great amount of duress. It was made to wreak
havoc on anyone who opposed it. If I were you, I wouldn't have anything
to do with the name 'Scientology'. I would out create them if you ask
me. I would change my name to something other than the 'Freezone' to
advertise your new outlook. I would call it something like, The Reformed
Thinkers of Scientology or something that is agreed upon that makes
sense.

>
> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> Scientology."

Yes it can, but in no way does calling yourselves Scientologists change
any of that.

>
> I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
> got lost in the deep thread where it came from.
>
> I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
> forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
> affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
> actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
> identifying ...
>
> scientology/CofS = SAME THING

and it should be. Christian and Vatican mean the same thing

>
> This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle the
> control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
> critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in order
> to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.

I don't think the Freezone are going to accomplish this. What the
freezone are going to do is give copyrighted Scientologists some sort of
avenue of escape, if they are staying with the Co$ just for the
tech-of-it.

>
> Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
> motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
> if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
> efforts.
>

LRH: If something is not growing, it is shrinking. Nothing stays in a
perpetual state of being. Nothing is static.

> So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the empire.

This would be trying to change Scientology and not ARS.

Safe ... www.fza.org

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> "Safe ... www.fza.org" wrote:
>
> Bark, bark, bark Safe. Can't change Scientology; can't change ARS and
> you can't change your writing style. You are losing a lost cause. I
> won't repeat myself much more. Change what you can have an effect on. I
> will reasonably argue with you here.

Perhaps I *am* losing a lost cause. We'll see. But I don't think so.

> >
> > Kevin Brady wrote ...
> >
> > "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling
itself
> > the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
claim
> > to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> > mathmatics or a study.
>
> I have no problem with an organization owning a subject by reasonable
> acquisition or preponderance of influence on it. Scientology went beyond
> my agreement of what it is to own a subject.

Apparently you mean the Church of Scientology went beyond your agreement of
what it is to own a subject. Scientology IS a subject by it's very own
definition, not by what some people's perceived misdefinition of it.


> There is a right way and a
> wrong way to look at a philosophy as intended by the originator of that
> particular philosophy. Scientology was intended to be what it is today.
> It was intended to make LRH a god through his creation.

Maybe that what LRH's ulterior motive of it was. I wonder how we'll ever
know. An insane mind isn't reasonable.

> It was made to
> be tough and withstand a great amount of duress.
>It was made to wreak
> havoc on anyone who opposed it.

I guess the last two "it's" above ... you mean the Church of Scientology
organization because the subject ... "scientology" ... cannot get duressed
or wreak havoc on anybody who opposes it because its not an entity. I'm just
clarifying your meanings. Newbies may not realize that you run both words'
meanings together which cause confusion.

> If I were you, I wouldn't have anything
> to do with the name 'Scientology'.

Yes, perhaps the word restimulates some people of their CofS horrors through
identification.

> I would out create them if you ask
> me. I would change my name to something other than the 'Freezone' to
> advertise your new outlook.

You're saying to not use the "Freezone" name either?

> I would call it something like, The Reformed
> Thinkers of Scientology or something that is agreed upon that makes
> sense.

You just got throught suggesting that if you were me, you wouldn't have
ANYTHING to do with the name "scientology." Yet you're suggesting I should
use that very word "scientology" in describing it as "The Reformed Thinkers
of SCIENTOLOGY." Your suggestion conflicts with your earlier advice not to
use the word.

> > To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is
simply
> > incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
understood
> > and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> > Scientology."
>
> Yes it can, but in no way does calling yourselves Scientologists change
> any of that.

Change any of what? Perhaps you clipped out what you were refering to.

> > I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point
here
> > got lost in the deep thread where it came from.
> >
> > I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
> > forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
> > affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
> > actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
> > identifying ...
> >
> > scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>
> and it should be. Christian and Vatican mean the same thing

Not true. "Christian" does NOT = "The Papal Government", "Papacy", or "The
official Residence of the Pope in Vatican City. Where did you get your
definitions to identify CHRISTIAN = VATICAN?

> > This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle
the
> > control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
> > critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in
order
> > to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.
>
> I don't think the Freezone are going to accomplish this.

You mean Freezone Scientologists won't be hlep to help take that money flow
away from CofS which weakens CofS's power? Why not? (The Freezone has some
people that don't WANT to accomplish this. They don't care. They've never
been in the Church of Scientology)

> What the
> freezone are going to do is give copyrighted Scientologists some sort of
> avenue of escape, if they are staying with the Co$ just for the
> tech-of-it.

What's a "copyrighted scientologist?" I'm new to that term. You mean Church
of Scientologist? When you say an "avenue of escape", do you mean
alternatives? Wouldn't Freezone scientologists showing alternatives take
power away from CofS if CofS'ists cognite they can get spiritual gain
elsewhere for free, or much less and without the duress of the CofS's 274
rules/crimes and other abuses?

> > Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
> > motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ...
even
> > if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their
good
> > efforts.
> >
>
> LRH: If something is not growing, it is shrinking. Nothing stays in a
> perpetual state of being. Nothing is static.

So what if LRH said it? It doesn't make it true. He had his opinions. I've
seen companies with basicly no growth remain in business for family
generations.

> > So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the
empire.
>
> This would be trying to change Scientology and not ARS.

What would happen to you if some people on ARS changed their viewpoints? Do
you not want critics to change their viewpoints if logic and efficacy of
action warrants it?

Rats, I was hoping you'd ask me what taking the next brick out that was
that's holding up the CofS empire. Don't you want to know what I suggest?
I'm sure you don't want CofS to stay in power, right?

Though it's been a little confusing having this dialog with you, I
appreciate your comments. I think this gives me the opportunity to clarify
what I mean. Thanks.

Sincerely,
Safe

Roger Gonnet

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Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message :
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> Kevin Brady wrote ...
>
> "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
> the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
claim
> to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> mathmatics or a study.
>
> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
understood
> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> Scientology."

Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes even
outside of the coercive environment. Or, if you apply it totally redone,
it's no longer scientology: that's why I'm not supporting the Safe's line of
defense about being a scientologist outside the orgs.

roger

Garry

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Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:

> Kevin Brady wrote ...
>
> "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
> the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
> to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> mathmatics or a study.
>
> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> Scientology."

It is a common, albeit a very narrow, black-and-white belief, that like weeds,
you're not going to kill them except by yanking them out by the roots. Same
with Scientology. If you believe the tech is useful, then go with it, Safe, but
you are wasting time & energy trying to convince others that their
black-and-white opines are incorrect. Practice it, live it, and prove the
doubters wrong.

> This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle the
> control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
> critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in order
> to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.

To a point, Safe, but Scientology handlers have wisely invested their money in
real estate holdings and other ventures. It will keep them alive for some time
even if the money stops coming in. But, don't expect that to be soon. Every
religion puts on a good face, and ignores the negative things. In Mormonism,
the negative aspects of the church are explained away as normal "human
errors". I know that alot of people subscribe to Scientology because it is the
not guilt and shame-based theology forwarded by organized religions.

> Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
> motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
> if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
> efforts.
>

> So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the empire.

Good luck.

>
>

Safe ... www.fza.org

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>
> Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message :
> 7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com...
> > Kevin Brady wrote ...
> >
> > "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling
itself
> > the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
> claim
> > to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> > mathmatics or a study.
> >
> > To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is
simply
> > incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
> understood
> > and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> > Scientology."
>
> Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes even
> outside of the coercive environment. Or, if you apply it totally redone,
> it's no longer scientology: that's why I'm not supporting the Safe's line
of
> defense about being a scientologist outside the orgs.
>
> roger

Please give me an example of Freezone scientologists practicing "dangerous"
scientology tech and how it has led to a catastrophe. Many people in the
Freezone use "standard" tech. Sorry, but your argument does not hold.

I *AM* a scientologist according to the TEXTBOOK definition (which is the
correct one) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I am utterly amazed
and surprised by the refusal of some critics to acknowledge I'm a
scientologist. I think it's ridiculous. I thought this kind of non-confront
was reserved for churchies. ;-)

Safe

EldonB123

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>Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
>understood
>> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
>> Scientology."
>
>Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes even
>outside of the coercive environment.

I would agree with both of you--partially. I don't think all Scientology tech
is dangerous, but some of it can be for some people under some circumstances.
However, I support Safe's right and choice to take anything he's learned and to
do whatever he wants with it, and to call it whatever he wants.
If I want to go around calling myself a "reform" Catholic or Methodist or
Zoroastrian, those groups might kick me out as a member, but that's as far as
it would go. Most likely a lot of members would debate with me. They sure
wouldn't slander, sue and harass me.
Eldo...@aol.com

Safe ... www.fza.org

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Many critics have done a fantastic job informing the public that the Church
of Scientology lies and abuses. They get record number of "thumbs up" and
positive "honks" by passersby. John and Jane Q. Public know that there is
something seriously wrong with the church of scientology. The majority of
people are smart enough now to not get involved with the Church of
Scientology. There is an aware public now.

It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been
effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.

So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new areas to
be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware public.

One of the pillars of the CofS has been pulled down. Now CofS rests on only
3 pillars. The next pillar taken down will finish knocking the foundation
out.

What would be the critics next best strategy? Well now that the general
public is aware, doesn't it make sense to start an effective awareness
campaign to church staff and public scientologists? Isn't getting the truth
to them an important priority ... now that the public is already aware?

Communicating to church staff and public scientologists is going to need a
tact that really sends a message without offending them so they'll listen.
It will take diplomacy and patience. But if that is done, and they listen,
and they find out there are better alternatives for them ... that are even
FREE, what do you think they will do?

They're going to leave the CofS. They're going to blow staff. They're going
to stop re-signing up for more courses and auditng and this is going to stop
the almighty dollar from giving the CofS power.

What does this approach do? It rifle targets a blow to the CofS resources
(staff and money) so hard and spot on that the CofS cannot servive for very
long with this approach. If critics are serious about strategies to take
down the CofS then they must at least consider using this approach. It just
makes sense.

What good does it do to waste time "convincing" people who already know
about CofS lies and abuses? They're already sold! Certainly a worthy purpose
isn't to do a picket just to raise the hair of the CofS "handlers." Sure it
may be fun, but what good does it do to intentionally heckle them? It only
makes them resist looking at the truth even more and insist on their
rightness that critics are their enemies who have "crimes."

Doesn't the idea of coming up with ways to communicate rationally without
inciting more hate from Church of Scientologists make the most rational and
sane sense? That is if one really wants to get them to listen.

In my humble opinion, I really think the time is close to start thinking of
smart ways to dethrown David Miscavige and the power of the Church of
Scientology by making a sincere attempt to communicate diplomatically with
it's lower staff members and public whom the CofS relies on for survival.

Please think about it.

Yours for effective strategies,
Safe, an authentic, informed NON-CoS scientologist

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> Kevin Brady wrote ...
>
> "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
> the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
claim
> to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> mathmatics or a study.
>
> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply

> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,


understood
> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> Scientology."
>

> I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
> got lost in the deep thread where it came from.
>
> I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
> forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
> affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
> actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
> identifying ...
>
> scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>

> This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle
the
> control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
> critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in
order
> to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.
>

> Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
> motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
> if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their
good
> efforts.
>
> So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the
empire.
>

Steve Zadarnowski

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"Safe ... www.fza.org" <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>scientology/CofS = SAME THING

Don't get too wierd on us. To me, Scientology as a philosophy/religion
is worthless. Scientology is operated by liars and scammers and
practiced by fools.

There is *nothing* in Scientology in all its forms that is worth
keeping, saving or handing over to the world.

I'd hate to think you've come this far and could waste another
10 years of your life coming to the same conclusions. You're half
way out of Scientology, all you need is to walk away completely.

Do it now.

S

Kevin G. Brady at Spiritual Research Workgroup

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On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:47:24 -0400, Lronscam <SPAMLr...@aol.com>
wrote:

>"Safe ... www.fza.org" wrote:
>
>Bark, bark, bark Safe. Can't change Scientology; can't change ARS and
>you can't change your writing style. You are losing a lost cause. I
>won't repeat myself much more. Change what you can have an effect on. I
>will reasonably argue with you here.

Don't stop safe, you are still getting TA on this guy, and on the NG.


>>
>> Kevin Brady wrote ...
>>
>> "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
>> the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
>> to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
>> mathmatics or a study.
>

>I have no problem with an organization owning a subject by reasonable
>acquisition or preponderance of influence on it. Scientology went beyond

>my agreement of what it is to own a subject. There is a right way and a


>wrong way to look at a philosophy as intended by the originator of that
>particular philosophy. Scientology was intended to be what it is today.

Ron did say he would smash his name into history with violence, or
some such quote. If you believe The Church of Scientology was the
vehicle for this, then I understand what you say. But you must also
understand that there were various others who contributed to the
development of scientology, including Alan Walters, David Mayo, and
various others, including Ron's son Nibs, and these guys all had
purposes of their own.

The purposes that most people joined the Church with, were those
expressed in "The Aims of Scientology", and not Ron's or anyone else's
unexpressed purposes. These are the aims that the organization should
be held to, and by which their success should be judged. Frankly, I
think the Church is opposed to the statements made in "The Aims of
Scientology", and therefore, all scientologists, in order to be true
to such a name, should oppose the Church, or bypass it.

>It was intended to make LRH a god through his creation. It was made to


>be tough and withstand a great amount of duress. It was made to wreak

>havoc on anyone who opposed it. If I were you, I wouldn't have anything
>to do with the name 'Scientology'. I would out create them if you ask


>me. I would change my name to something other than the 'Freezone' to

>advertise your new outlook. I would call it something like, The Reformed


>Thinkers of Scientology or something that is agreed upon that makes
>sense.
>
>>

>> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
>> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
>> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
>> Scientology."
>

>Yes it can, but in no way does calling yourselves Scientologists change
>any of that.

Calling ourselves scientologists is simply an accurate description of
our views.


>
>>
>> I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
>> got lost in the deep thread where it came from.
>>
>> I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
>> forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
>> affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
>> actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
>> identifying ...
>>
>> scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>

>and it should be. Christian and Vatican mean the same thing

Not true. Most fundamentalist Christians that I know of consider
Catholicism to be a gross perversion of Christianity, in fact, the
work of the devil, who is incarnated in the POPE.

A Christian is a person who reads the bible and interprets the word of
God for himself. A Catholic is a person who reads the bible, and then
looks to a Priest to inform him about how to interpret it. These
Priests serve Bishops, who serve ArchBishops who serve Cardinals, who
elect and then serve the Pope.

So, is there a difference between a Christian and a Catholic?

Catholics are Christian, in that they follow AN interpretation of the
Bible, as channeled to them through their local priest, or more
directly from the proclamations of the Pope. Some even interpret the
bible for themselves, after instruction from Priests. I was such a
Catholic. Having come to my own conclusions about the bible, I no
longer felt a need for the Catholic Church. It served its
instructional purposes, for me, and I then left. I still consider
myself to be Christian, in that I accept Christ's outlook. I do not
accept other Christian's insistence that one must "accept Christ as
one's savior" in order to "go to heaven". I simply think that they
are clueless.

Many scientologists have similar insistence that Ron was the almighty
arbiter of Standard Tech. One must accept Ron as flawless and
supreme, within the Church. This is one of the reasons I found fault
with the Church of Scientology, and I then left. I am still a
scientologist, despite my disagreements with the Church. If they had
not declared me suppressive, I would still go around the Church and
talk to my old friends, as other scientologists views on life tend to
be the most interesting to me. I still go to Church, in the Catholic
Church, occasionally, to repeat the rituals, which I find an
enlightening experience, if slightly robotic. I also get to talk to
my old Catholic friends, which keeps me grounded in where I come from.
I find the Catholics tend to be limited, in what they can think about,
and by fear of "blasphemy". I like Christians, in general, though, as
they at least acknowledge the existence of the spirit. We get into
arguments over what the qualities and capabilities and origin of the
spirit are, and BOTH of us learn from such arguments.

Critical thinking does not mean omission of viewpoints and data which
conflict with our worldview.


>
>>
>> This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle the
>> control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
>> critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in order
>> to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.
>

>I don't think the Freezone are going to accomplish this. What the


>freezone are going to do is give copyrighted Scientologists some sort of
>avenue of escape, if they are staying with the Co$ just for the
>tech-of-it.

This remains to be seen.


>
>>
>> Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
>> motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
>> if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
>> efforts.
>>
>

>LRH: If something is not growing, it is shrinking. Nothing stays in a
>perpetual state of being. Nothing is static.
>

>> So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the empire.
>

>This would be trying to change Scientology and not ARS.
>
>>

>> Yours for using strategy,
>> Safe, an authentic, informed NON-CofS scientologist
>>
>> --
>> "Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all
>> subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat
>> us."
>>
>> -- Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas (Justice for 36 years)
>>
>> David Miscavige, Ban Church of Scientology Censorship Software now!
>>
>> For freedom of discussion of CofS's unethical behavior, go to ...
>>
>> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/churchofscientologysethics


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On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:46:09 -0700, Garry
<gar...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote:

>Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:
>
>> Kevin Brady wrote ...
>>
>> "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
>> the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
>> to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
>> mathmatics or a study.
>>

>> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
>> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
>> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
>> Scientology."
>

>It is a common, albeit a very narrow, black-and-white belief, that like weeds,
>you're not going to kill them except by yanking them out by the roots. Same
>with Scientology. If you believe the tech is useful, then go with it, Safe, but
>you are wasting time & energy trying to convince others that their
>black-and-white opines are incorrect. Practice it, live it, and prove the
>doubters wrong.

Very good advice. It is easier to win people's agreement when you can
be viewed as an authority, even though they may argue that they are
critical thinkers, and not subject to such authority. Look at the
critics rather quick and easy acceptance of Bob Minton's views,
originally, just because he had some bucks. Money buys respect of
your accomplishments. Sad, but true. We should demonstrate our
competence, and then others will be more likely to flock to the cause.
That does not mean that you should cut your comm-lines, in the
process, or abandon other goals. I would say to Admin Scale it out,
and then start producing towards your programmed targets. Otherwise,
your efforts will be uncoordinated (or lack the coordination that they
could have), and any effective strike against the Church must be well
coordinated.

>> This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle the
>> control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
>> critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in order
>> to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.
>

>To a point, Safe, but Scientology handlers have wisely invested their money in
>real estate holdings and other ventures. It will keep them alive for some time
>even if the money stops coming in. But, don't expect that to be soon. Every
>religion puts on a good face, and ignores the negative things. In Mormonism,
>the negative aspects of the church are explained away as normal "human
>errors". I know that alot of people subscribe to Scientology because it is the
>not guilt and shame-based theology forwarded by organized religions.
>

>> Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
>> motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
>> if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
>> efforts.
>>

>> So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the empire.
>

>Good luck.
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
kgb

Shy David

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<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Many critics have done a fantastic job informing the public that the Church
>of Scientology lies and abuses. They get record number of "thumbs up" and
>positive "honks" by passersby. John and Jane Q. Public know that there is
>something seriously wrong with the church of scientology. The majority of
>people are smart enough now to not get involved with the Church of
>Scientology. There is an aware public now.
>
>It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been
>effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
>pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.
>
>So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new areas to
>be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware public.

What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
begun to inform the public!
---
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"There is only one sin in Scientology: getting caught." --- Ron DeWolf, www.xenutv.com
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> "Safe ... www.fza.org" <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>
> Don't get too wierd on us.

I'll try not to. I think it's weird not differentiating a subject from a
church organization. It's like saying christianity = Assembly of God church.

> To me, Scientology as a philosophy/religion
> is worthless.

How do you know? How can you make such an absolutist statement without an
in-depth evaluation the subject.

>Scientology is operated by liars and scammers and
> practiced by fools.

You mean the "Church of Scientology" is operated by liars and scammers. Or
are you now insinuating the Freezone scientologists are liars and scammers?

> There is *nothing* in Scientology in all its forms that is worth
> keeping, saving or handing over to the world.

I see, so you must have listened to all of L. Ron Hubbards' 3000 lectures to
make such an arrogant, absolutist statement. Perhaps you're a much wiser man
and have written books on philosophy or methodologies in an attempt to help
better the lot of man. What are you recommendations for philosophical and
spiritual book reading?

> I'd hate to think you've come this far and could waste another
> 10 years of your life coming to the same conclusions. You're half
> way out of Scientology, all you need is to walk away completely.
> Do it now.

Whatever conclusions I make, they will be MY conclusions, not yours. You
should be happy that I'm thinking for MYSELF, not for the Church of
Scientology or anybody else.

Safe


>
> S

Safe ... www.fza.org

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> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:06:11 -0700, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
> <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Many critics have done a fantastic job informing the public that the
Church
> >of Scientology lies and abuses. They get record number of "thumbs up"
and
> >positive "honks" by passersby. John and Jane Q. Public know that there
is
> >something seriously wrong with the church of scientology. The majority
of
> >people are smart enough now to not get involved with the Church of
> >Scientology. There is an aware public now.
> >
> >It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been
> >effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
> >pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.
> >
> >So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new areas
to
> >be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware
public.
>
> What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
> begun to inform the public!

Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales of
"What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the church
of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The growth
of CofS is at a standstill.

How are those for indicators? Now, how about some comment and dialog on my
suggestions?

Safe

Shy David

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<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>> What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
>> begun to inform the public!

>Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales of
>"What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the church
>of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
>survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The growth
>of CofS is at a standstill.

It seems to me that people disregard the "CofS" for the wrong reasons: they
have heard that they should avoid the business, but most do not understand
why. The critic's jobs are thefeore no where near "accomplished." The pickets,
demonstrations, teach-ins, flyer distribution, guest speaking, and the like is
still vitally important.

>How are those for indicators? Now, how about some comment and dialog on my
>suggestions?

You are certainly correct that the majority of people want nothing to do with
"CofS." But ask them what "Fair Game" is, or who Lisa McPherson was, or
if they know about the many criminal, unethical, and immoral actions by the
"CofS," and they no nothing of these things. That tells me the job is not
anywhere near completed.

Take another example: it is my firm conviction that abuse of drugs is very
harmful. That conviction is held by the majority of USA citizens. However,
a very large number of them cannot tell WHY the abuse of drugs is worth
opposing. They may repeat that inane nonsense phrase "Just say 'No!'"
and believe they have said something, but for actually WHY drug abuse
is a bad idea and worthy of denunciation, most would give rhetorical
buzz-words and phrases that mean little. It is far better to teach people
why drug abuse is not a good idea, and teach them the critical thinking
abilities to know what is harmful.

The same is true of the "CofS." Most people know it is harmful; they do not
know why.

e...@some.where

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<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> > What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
> > begun to inform the public!
>
> Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales of
> "What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the church
> of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
> survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The growth
> of CofS is at a standstill.

critics have *not* accomplished their goals. not while people are still
being harrassed and sued. not while the corporation is still winning in
the u.s. courts. not while american politicians are able to pressure
and influence domestic policy as well as foreign policy on "religious
freedom" as defined by the corporation of scientology. not while the
scientologist celebrity shills are able to push the crap with inpunity.

in fact, peoples lives are being destroyed *as ever*. because
scientology dictates that it must be so. because it is the "right
thing" to attack *anyone* critical of scientology.

nothing has changed, except that a few more people are aware of how the
corporation operates. the point is, the corporation still operates,
much as ever.

and kindly *stop* insisting that this fight is now over, and that now
we must choose *your* agenda.


> How are those for indicators? Now, how about some comment and dialog on my
> suggestions?

you suggestions are unworkable and stupid.

-ef

Lronscam

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"Kevin G. Brady at Spiritual Research Workgroup" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:47:24 -0400, Lronscam <SPAMLr...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >and it should be. Christian and Vatican mean the same thing
>
> Not true. Most fundamentalist Christians that I know of consider
> Catholicism to be a gross perversion of Christianity, in fact, the
> work of the devil, who is incarnated in the POPE.
>
> A Christian is a person who reads the bible and interprets the word of
> God for himself. A Catholic is a person who reads the bible, and then
> looks to a Priest to inform him about how to interpret it. These
> Priests serve Bishops, who serve ArchBishops who serve Cardinals, who
> elect and then serve the Pope.
>
> So, is there a difference between a Christian and a Catholic?
>
> Catholics are Christian, in that they follow AN interpretation of the
> Bible, as channeled to them through their local priest, or more
> directly from the proclamations of the Pope. Some even interpret the
> bible for themselves, after instruction from Priests. I was such a
> Catholic. Having come to my own conclusions about the bible, I no
> longer felt a need for the Catholic Church. It served its
> instructional purposes, for me, and I then left. I still consider
> myself to be Christian, in that I accept Christ's outlook. I do not
> accept other Christian's insistence that one must "accept Christ as
> one's savior" in order to "go to heaven". I simply think that they
> are clueless.

At least I learned something new. I always wondered how that
Cotholic/Christian worked. I talked to a Christian and he made foul
remarks about Catholics praying to an idol of Jesus being held to a
cross with nails. If you ask me, when you get into religion, all you get
are contradictions. It is faith, not logic, which holds you dear to your
beliefs.

I grew up Catholic. I abandoned it early on. I think it was because all
the priests and nuns had so many contradicting views on the
interpretation of the bible. That is what so attracted me to
Scientology. No one evaluating my interpretation of neither the God
above nor the god in me. I will have to say it was a peaceful time. Much
like being a child and innocent. Having every answer dished to on the
next paid course. Those were the days. I would take ARS over those days
in a second. Innocence is over rated, especially when ignorance over
shadows it.

Safe ... www.fza.org

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I thought the purpose to critics was to insure that no new people join the
CofS. If one was to continue to fully educate them about the CofS, that
could take months or even years for them to learn the full depth of the
deception of CofS.

My viewpoint was once the CofS was at a standstill growthwise because of
their bad PR, the next immediate step would be to focus on lower church
staff and existing public in the church. Because once there is no powerful
church, their can be no more abuse. Right now, the staff and church members
ARE getting abused currently. Why don't we step in to help them now? It
seems kind of urgent to me.

Safe


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> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:26:40 -0700, "Safe ... www.fza.org"


> <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
> >> begun to inform the public!
>
> >Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales
of
> >"What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the
church
> >of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
> >survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The
growth
> >of CofS is at a standstill.
>

> It seems to me that people disregard the "CofS" for the wrong reasons:
they
> have heard that they should avoid the business, but most do not understand
> why. The critic's jobs are thefeore no where near "accomplished." The
pickets,
> demonstrations, teach-ins, flyer distribution, guest speaking, and the
like is
> still vitally important.
>

> >How are those for indicators? Now, how about some comment and dialog on
my
> >suggestions?
>

Safe ... www.fza.org

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> In article <7maul5$f...@enews3.newsguy.com>, "Safe ... www.fza.org"

> <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
> > > begun to inform the public!
> >
> > Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales
of
> > "What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the
church
> > of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
> > survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The
growth
> > of CofS is at a standstill.
>
> critics have *not* accomplished their goals. not while people are still
> being harrassed and sued. not while the corporation is still winning in
> the u.s. courts. not while american politicians are able to pressure
> and influence domestic policy as well as foreign policy on "religious
> freedom" as defined by the corporation of scientology. not while the
> scientologist celebrity shills are able to push the crap with inpunity.

How about helping the staff members and church members who are the ones who
are getting lied to and abused the most? They are human and I think they
ought to get critics' understanding and help. But we have to show them that
we're not "against" them. We can't let them perceive us that way or else we
won't be able to communicate anything.

Safe

> in fact, peoples lives are being destroyed *as ever*. because
> scientology dictates that it must be so. because it is the "right
> thing" to attack *anyone* critical of scientology.
>
> nothing has changed, except that a few more people are aware of how the
> corporation operates. the point is, the corporation still operates,
> much as ever.
>
> and kindly *stop* insisting that this fight is now over, and that now
> we must choose *your* agenda.
>
>

> > How are those for indicators? Now, how about some comment and dialog on
my
> > suggestions?
>

Safe ... www.fza.org

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Hartley Patterson <hpt...@REMOVE.ME.vossnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:
>
> > Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales
of
> > "What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the
church
> > of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
> > survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The
growth
> > of CofS is at a standstill.
>
> True for the public in the USA perhaps.
> Not true for politicians. Politicians don't watch non-political TV
> programs, don't read non-political articles in newspapers. They are
> probably less informed than Joe Public. They still believe there are 9
> million scientologist voters out there. Can you name *one* well known US
> politician that has spoken out publically against the CoS?

True. Perhaps more attention should be spent on letter-writing campaigns.
I'm all for ways to be more effective.

> True for journalists. The electronic files have enough entheta in them
> to have changed the standard newswire blurb on the CoS to have
> significantly changed in recent years. The 'Snow White' hacking
> operation that the CoS would need to counter this is beyond their
> capabilities.
>
> But... outside the USA only Germany has a widespread bad image of the
> CoS I suspect. Certainly in the UK the public regard cults as something
> that happens to other people in other towns and, to coin a phrase, they
> pulled it in anyway.
>
> And in Eastern Europe they are very vulnerable. The CoS is American, and
> everything American is good.
>
> Sure, publicity, pickets etc has halted their growth and lowered the
> calibre of their intake. But they survive for a good while yet on
> reserve funds and expansion in countries the critics haven't reached. To
> *really* hurt the CoS other means must be employed.

I'm open to any and all ideas. But I still think it's a good idea to reach
the staff and "church" members too because they are the ones that are mostly
getting lied to and abused NOW. How can we help them?

Safe


> --
> "I think of my beautiful city in flames"
> http://village.vossnet.co.uk/h/hpttrsn/
> A medieval spreadsheet, enturbulating entheta, how to outrun
> Thread and some riddles preciousss....

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> Safe, would you like me to recommend some books to gain enough
> understanding of humans to either mutate scientology into something benign
> or design a new one?

Sure I'd be interested in your list. Thanks.

Safe

> Keith Henson

Hartley Patterson

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Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:

> Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales of
> "What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the church
> of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
> survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The growth
> of CofS is at a standstill.

True for the public in the USA perhaps.
Not true for politicians. Politicians don't watch non-political TV
programs, don't read non-political articles in newspapers. They are
probably less informed than Joe Public. They still believe there are 9
million scientologist voters out there. Can you name *one* well known US
politician that has spoken out publically against the CoS?

True for journalists. The electronic files have enough entheta in them
to have changed the standard newswire blurb on the CoS to have
significantly changed in recent years. The 'Snow White' hacking
operation that the CoS would need to counter this is beyond their
capabilities.

But... outside the USA only Germany has a widespread bad image of the
CoS I suspect. Certainly in the UK the public regard cults as something
that happens to other people in other towns and, to coin a phrase, they
pulled it in anyway.

And in Eastern Europe they are very vulnerable. The CoS is American, and
everything American is good.

Sure, publicity, pickets etc has halted their growth and lowered the
calibre of their intake. But they survive for a good while yet on
reserve funds and expansion in countries the critics haven't reached. To
*really* hurt the CoS other means must be employed.

--

Hartley Patterson

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Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:

> I *AM* a scientologist according to the TEXTBOOK definition (which is the
> correct one) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I am utterly amazed
> and surprised by the refusal of some critics to acknowledge I'm a
> scientologist. I think it's ridiculous. I thought this kind of non-confront
> was reserved for churchies. ;-)

Heretics normally react this way. They get upset because they don't get
to decide who are the 'orthodox' and who the 'heretics'. Try calling the
Jehovah's Witnesses 'heretics' next time they appear on your doorstep
and they will say exactly the same as you have: "Oh no, we're the true
christians, Christendom went wrong in the 1st Century AD".

Right now you are the heretics, because CoS loyalists outnumber you.
When that position reverses, they become heretics, you the new
orthodoxy. That's the way it works. It has not a lot to do with logic or
reason.

Keith Henson

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Roger Gonnet <sect...@worldnet.fr> wrote:

: Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a ecrit dans le message :
: 7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com...

snip
:> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is

simply :> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
: understood
:> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
:> Scientology."

: Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes even
: outside of the coercive environment. Or, if you apply it totally redone,


: it's no longer scientology: that's why I'm not supporting the Safe's line of

: defense about being a scientologist outside the orgs.

I agree with roger here. Scientology "tech" and the related mind bending
techniques used by *all* cults and coersive organizations are dangerous.
Like narcotics, the danger is very person specific. I.e., a small part of
the population is susceptable to addictive drugs, a similar small part is
susceptable to cults.

I suspect that the critical resistance factor is if you respond negatively
to "love bombing" or other intense attention without some reason for it.
(It is hard to turn down attention for *real* things you have accomplished.)

Keith Henson

Keith Henson

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Steve Zadarnowski <fan...@iinet.com.au> wrote:

: "Safe ... www.fza.org" <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

:>scientology/CofS = SAME THING

: Don't get too wierd on us. To me, Scientology as a philosophy/religion
: is worthless. Scientology is operated by liars and scammers and
: practiced by fools.

: There is *nothing* in Scientology in all its forms that is worth


: keeping, saving or handing over to the world.

Oddly enough, I tend to think there are things to learn from scientology.
There are things to learn from the most destructive of parasites, and
that goes for mental parasites like scientology as well. It is
particularly interesting to learn how parasites get under our defenses.

: I'd hate to think you've come this far and could waste another


: 10 years of your life coming to the same conclusions. You're half
: way out of Scientology, all you need is to walk away completely.

Relgions are mental parasites which have co-evolved with us long enough
that their negative effects are minor and they have protective effect of
protecting those who have them from being infected by something worse. It
normally takes about 300 years for this evolution to take place.

*Possibly* a directed design applied to scientology could speed this
process. But I think it would be better to start with a clean sheet of
paper. Safe, would you like me to recommend some books to gain enough


understanding of humans to either mutate scientology into something benign
or design a new one?

Keith Henson

EldonB123

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>Scientology's growth has been
> >effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
> >pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.
> >
That is probably true. But I would say there are still enough new people being
brought in to fill the gaps left by those who leave. Zero growth is not the
point--negative growth is.

> >So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new areas to
> >be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware public.

I don't think that tide has really been turned. You would be surprised at how
unaware and gullible certain sectors of the public can remain, and for how
long, despite the best efforts of critics. It's a big world out there, with a
lot of suckers waiting in the wings.
Eldo...@aol.com

Nile Evil Bastard

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Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
:Shy David <shy_...@nospam.org> wrote in message
:news:3788ef73...@nntp.lightlink.com...
:> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:06:11 -0700, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
:> <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

:>>It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been


:>>effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
:>>pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.
:>>So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new areas to
:>>be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware public.

:> What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just


:> begun to inform the public!

:Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales of


:"What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the church
:of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
:survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The growth
:of CofS is at a standstill.


Yes, but it's not dead and *buried*.

I've always viewed this little project of ours as being a warning of
the consequences of such behaviour as the CoS's.

The CoS is not important; it's small and getting smaller. However, they
*must* be made an example of, so that others will be warned off.

Their head isn't sufficiently on a pike for my liking.

Our good work here must be publicised.

Who's up for writing the book? I posted a possible outline a while ago.


--
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On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:37:46 -0700,
Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

:I thought the purpose to critics was to insure that no new people join the


:CofS. If one was to continue to fully educate them about the CofS, that
:could take months or even years for them to learn the full depth of the
:deception of CofS.


'critics' is not a group with a single goal. Not even close.

Go to http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/scn/why/others.html and read -
you'll see a pile of generally compatible, but *very* diverse, goals.


:My viewpoint was once the CofS was at a standstill growthwise because of


:their bad PR, the next immediate step would be to focus on lower church
:staff and existing public in the church. Because once there is no powerful

:church, their can be no more abuse. Right now, the staff and church members
:ARE getting abused currently. Why don't we step in to help them now? It


:seems kind of urgent to me.


That's a goal as good as any. Those who are interested in it will pursue
it, to utter excellence.

Go to www.opensource.org and read some of Eric Raymond's papers on software
development.

(The place where the parallel to that process breaks down is that there is
*no* central director here.)

Roger Gonnet

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Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message :
7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com...
>>
> scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>

almost the same. As long as FZoners do not accept (more than scieno do) to
let their pretenses of results and methods scientifically examined, I'll
keep on saying that this is just nuts.

roger

Roger Gonnet

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Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message :
7m9jk4$2p...@enews5.newsguy.com...

> Roger Gonnet <sect...@worldnet.fr> wrote in message
> news:7m9h7p$8n4$2...@news2.isdnet.net...
> >
> > Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message
:
> > 7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com...
> > > Kevin Brady wrote ...
> > >
> > > "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling
> itself
> > > the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
> > claim
> > > to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> > > mathmatics or a study.
> > >
> > > To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is
> simply
> > > incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
> > understood
> > > and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> > > Scientology."
> >
> > Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes
even
> > outside of the coercive environment. Or, if you apply it totally redone,
> > it's no longer scientology: that's why I'm not supporting the Safe's
line
> of
> > defense about being a scientologist outside the orgs.
> >
> > roger
>
> Please give me an example of Freezone scientologists practicing
"dangerous"
> scientology tech and how it has led to a catastrophe. Many people in the
> Freezone use "standard" tech. Sorry, but your argument does not hold.

I'v no longer links to FZoners applying; the last I knew was Jean-Jacques
Delance, the most ancient french scieno, and paris org founder. He's dead at
63, some months ago. Not a remarkable result for someone having gone up to
OT 7, having had and participated to the elaboration of FZtech, and almost
unable yet to make a living (despite his having been one of the senior
technicians in the world. I'd call it a catstrophe, no?


>
> I *AM* a scientologist according to the TEXTBOOK definition (which is the
> correct one) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I am utterly
amazed
> and surprised by the refusal of some critics to acknowledge I'm a
> scientologist.

Scientology being a mere scam, you are therefore a mere fraud? Once you'll
have done what I demande (going to scholars and checking everything!), we'll
talk again.


I think it's ridiculous. I thought this kind of non-confront
> was reserved for churchies. ;-)

non-confront is yours; the day you'll accept to undertake some four years or
more of psychology studies and comparisons with scieno or pseudo-scieno
rants, before saying you have a remarkable tech, i'll listen to you.

roger

Roger Gonnet

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> >Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
> >understood
> >> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> >> Scientology."
> >
> >Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes even
> >outside of the coercive environment.
>
> I would agree with both of you--partially. I don't think all Scientology
tech
> is dangerous, but some of it can be for some people under some
circumstances.

Therefore, it's dangerous. The more you apply such crazy tricks like OT
levels, the more it can lead people to delusion.

> However, I support Safe's right and choice to take anything he's learned
and to
> do whatever he wants with it, and to call it whatever he wants.

Me too, if he had observed the other technologies existing and made his own
compared to those.

> If I want to go around calling myself a "reform" Catholic or Methodist or
> Zoroastrian, those groups might kick me out as a member, but that's as far
as
> it would go. Most likely a lot of members would debate with me. They sure
> wouldn't slander, sue and harass me.

Sure! As already repeated, the longer he calls himself a scientologist, the
more I consider him as a fraud , as scientology is a scam. I'm not even sure
that OSA has not fabricated some of the FZoners, which it could use to
either detect the
illegalities and launch series of courts actions, either even, seeing how it
goes now for scientology, to prepare some

^^^^^^^^^^
future open doors for more money.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


roger

Roger Gonnet

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Keith Henson <hkhe...@netcom11.netcom.com> a écrit dans le message :
7mbm2n$s...@dfw-ixnews14.ix.netcom.com...

> Roger Gonnet <sect...@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>
> : Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> a ecrit dans le message
:
> : 7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com...
>
> snip
> :> To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is
> simply :> incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,

> : understood
> :> and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> :> Scientology."
>
> : Not so. Scientology techs are dangerous and can lead to catastrophes
even
> : outside of the coercive environment. Or, if you apply it totally redone,

> : it's no longer scientology: that's why I'm not supporting the Safe's
line of
> : defense about being a scientologist outside the orgs.
>
> I agree with roger here. Scientology "tech" and the related mind bending
> techniques used by *all* cults and coersive organizations are dangerous.
> Like narcotics, the danger is very person specific. I.e., a small part of
> the population is susceptable to addictive drugs, a similar small part is
> susceptable to cults.
>
> I suspect that the critical resistance factor is if you respond negatively
> to "love bombing" or other intense attention without some reason for it.
> (It is hard to turn down attention for *real* things you have
accomplished.)

Besides, i'd bet that most of those having passed through scientology or
fzone have'nt yet reached any sort of clear abilities, any sort of TRUE
stability , etc. I'd bet that most either abandon , or become dependent, one
thing which is dangerous.

My certitude about the bridge is that it cannot be functional, it does not
need any such pre-defined programming, and should - if any of the tech were
checked out for results - be adapted each time to each individual. I don't
remember any real "win" (even a short duration one) of level 1, 3 and 4;
none really due OT 2, while OT 3 started to open my eyes. Not that I was a
no-case-gain: just that they were erased as soon as finished: i consider
having run them for no reason. All the crap of repetitive questioning is
mere crap; working only on what really worries a person is of any interest
for her. I could as well have said "I'm release" before doing these. And i
was'nt "quickied". Bored would be the word, yes!
>
> Keith Henson

Roger Gonnet

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> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:46:09 -0700, Garry
> <gar...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Look at the
> critics rather quick and easy acceptance of Bob Minton's views,
> originally, just because he had some bucks.

We could say the same for many other experiences or "qulaities" of people.

Money buys respect of
> your accomplishments. Sad, but true.

Not in my opinion. Money does not prove much regarding human
accomplishments: but what you do with that money is interesting. Minton does
what is needed for this particular problem. He can't be always right either:
nobody can.

I would say to Admin Scale it out,
> and then start producing towards your programmed targets.

Listen ; what is that admin scale? Did you ever see any of the combinations
and plans and scales ran by scienos be really successful **in the long
run**? Admin scale is crap, like the remaining parts of elrong's admin
tricks: the main and simplest proof of this is that himself, elrong, and all
his family, were a mess. That he was convinced and sentenced and forced to
go underground to avoid the just consequences for **his own** actions. That
he has never been able to make anything really valuable from his church,
despite the fantastic sums and energies spent by his followers, despite all
the ruses he used to use.

roger

Roger Gonnet

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> Steve Zadarnowski <fan...@iinet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3788b1c7...@news.m.iinet.net.au...
> > "Safe ... www.fza.org" <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >>
> > To me, Scientology as a philosophy/religion
> > is worthless.
>
> How do you know? How can you make such an absolutist statement without an
> in-depth evaluation the subject.

You are badly placed to utter this: would you have ever really evaluated the
subject, you'd be none of an outside cofs. which does not inhibit you to
establish some other tech, where some ideas from scientology tech could be
used. Some, not most. And you'd certainly not call that a religion.

roger>

Bill Cole

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In article <7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com>, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Kevin Brady wrote ...
>
>"By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
>the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
>to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
>mathmatics or a study.
>

>To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
>incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
>and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
>Scientology."
>

>I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
>got lost in the deep thread where it came from.

I think it is also a simplistic anhalysis of what is actually a more
subtle and refined view of many critics.

I think the current CoS is an intrinsically corrupt organization. I don't
believe ANY CoS, even a "Protestant Church of Scientology" can be anything
but corrupt becauise the underlying basis is a pile of ludicrous,
self-contradictory, and disprovable psychological theory that was invented
by a borderline psychotic who knew that selling a complete line of
bullshit to the born-every-minute crowd was his best shot at a life of
well-financed leisure. Scientology is designed to be the core of an
autocratic money-making operation, and the only way to avoid that is to
reject much of the ravings of the founding madman. Hubbard's paranoid
delusions led him to build a cult and philosophy of warfare, and unless
that world view is excised from scientology, any scientology organization,
even a 'reformed' one, will build itself with a battle mentality and be
willing to roll over anyone in the holy battle to clear the planet.

That said, I do not much care if people want to waste their time and
mental effort in scientology, as long as they don't build a mini-CoS in
doing so. I believe the crusade against the world theme is too deep in
scientology to avoid that, but I'm happy to have the free zone prove me
wrong.

>I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
>forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
>affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
>actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
>identifying ...
>
>scientology/CofS = SAME THING

Rather: CofS = The natural embodiment of scientology.

>Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
>motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
>if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
>efforts.

Only for very small values of "virtually forever."


All indications from outside the CoS are that they are shrinking. Even
they have been claiming "unprecedented expansion" and "8 million members"
for over a decade, an obvious contradiction that is the best they can do
as the reality of the 'tech' continues to hollow out their ranks.

Cracking the hold on scientology by the CoS is going to be a losing battle
until it is a battle that need not be fought. They hold many well-tested
copyrights that they will continue to hold until those copyrights expire.
That will start happening in a little over a decade, and will be complete
by 2060. One positive effect of a paranoid megalomaniac as a founder is
that he essentially foreclosed on the possibility of his 'church'
maintaining any sort of hold on the 'faith' beyond his death and the
expiration of his posthumous intellectual property.

--
Bill Cole


Fredric L. Rice

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On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:47:24 -0400, Lronscam <SPAMLr...@aol.com>
wrote:

>Bark, bark, bark Safe. Can't change Scientology; can't change ARS and
>you can't change your writing style. You are losing a lost cause. I
>won't repeat myself much more. Change what you can have an effect on. I
>will reasonably argue with you here.

Critics, Free Scientologists, and ex-victims of the crime syndicate
_have_ changed the crime syndicate in a number of small ways,
though. After the repeated exposures of the crime syndicate's
bait-and-switch bunko and the wonderful exposures of the crime
syndicate's "Fair Game" policy, the crime syndicate has had to
demand repeatedly in court that it does indeed have those criminal
policies. While "Fair Game" continues, the crime syndicate has
been forced by public exposure to limit the application of the crimes
covered by "Fair Game."

And it wouldn't surprise me at all if the crime syndicate has been
forced to stop tieing people to beds and starving them until they
agree not to leave the cult. The crime bosses are doubtlessly
modifying their criminal behavior to keep massive public exposures
like Lisa McPherson from happening again.

Also, the crime syndicate runs and hides whenever the media or
ex-victims protest their criminal, racketeering activities. In
Clearwater, the citizens were granted a week-long breath of fresh
air thanks to the fact that the crime bosses ran and hid like common
criminals while the good guys protested outside their property.
The citizens of Occupied Clearwater expressed gratitute that
"something is being done" about the organized crime syndicate
that invaided their city.

I won't enumerate the Big Wins that the good guys have acquired
over the past five years yet the crime syndicate has suffered
massive damage that it can not continue to sustain without equally
massive reforms -- which include disposing of Miscavage in the
traditional Scientology cult way: "Shipped off on religious retreat.

---
Scientology crime syndicate: http://www.linkline.com/personal/fice/csindex.htm
Cult libels & gets comeuppance: http://www.shellac.freeserve.co.uk/woods.html
Yeah, if they had any sense they would be proud of their space cooties.
Ghod know they paid enough to be convinced they have them. - Keith Henson
If Hubbard can burn in hell, he can certainly burn on Hubbard Way.- Mark Bunker

Fredric L. Rice

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On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:06:11 -0700, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>What would be the critics next best strategy? Well now that the general
>public is aware, doesn't it make sense to start an effective awareness
>campaign to church staff and public scientologists? Isn't getting the truth
>to them an important priority ... now that the public is already aware?

Getting information to the remaining victims still stuck inside would
help, I think., finally destroy thd criminal business. Letting
people inside know that there's free alternatives utterly berift of
the brainwashing and financial scams -- not to mention berift of the
mental and physical abuse the cult's leaders inflict upon them --
would go a long way, I think, toward finally destroying the criminal
business.

>Communicating to church staff and public scientologists is going to need a
>tact that really sends a message without offending them so they'll listen.

Letting people inside know that there is _free_ Scientology of the
same -- or better -- quality than one can find inside would be a good
step. Opening up a FreeZone office or two would certainly help; more
so if opened in Clearwater and in Los Angeles, close to where the
current remaining culy victims are located.

>They're going to leave the CofS. They're going to blow staff.

Helpfully taking materials which expose the criminal and racketeering
activites of the crime bosses with them when they do. Perhaps fellow
Scientologists should offer financial rewards for just such evidence.

I personally have no qualms against rewarding wistle blowers for
exposing the criminal activities of businesses. Remember the
Northrup and Boeing exposures? Exposing fraud and criminality
of businesses should be rewarded.

>What good does it do to waste time "convincing" people who already know
>about CofS lies and abuses? They're already sold! Certainly a worthy purpose
>isn't to do a picket just to raise the hair of the CofS "handlers." Sure it
>may be fun, but what good does it do to intentionally heckle them? It only
>makes them resist looking at the truth even more and insist on their
>rightness that critics are their enemies who have "crimes."

Well, it's amusing and emotionally satisfying. Also, the cult
followers are forced to lie blantantly to fellow cult victims -- such
as the case where the cult follower lied to another cult follower
about XenuTV's reporter being drunk. The reporter successfully
corrected that lie to the second cult follower and, ever hopeful,
will help that cult follower realize he's being scammed.

Also, the remaining victims still stuck inside are forced to observe
the fact that their highly-promoted OT clears and 8's are totally
unable to do anything about the SP's.

Eventually we'll see ex-victims of the cult start posting their
experiences here and I predict that we'll see a lot of people
covering the protests and pickets as aspects of what helped them
to start questioning what their ex-masters were trying to feed them.

>In my humble opinion, I really think the time is close to start thinking of
>smart ways to dethrown David Miscavige and the power of the Church of
>Scientology by making a sincere attempt to communicate diplomatically with
>it's lower staff members and public whom the CofS relies on for survival.

I agree and helping to build up the FreeZone seems like a very
positive thing to do. After all, Scientologists who manage to escape
from the criminal organization will need some place to go. Critics
of paranormal claptrap rarely offer True Believers warm alternatives
to occult thinking, for instance. Helping to build and make solid
the FreeZone would give Scientologists a positive, healthy place to
go.

Fredric L. Rice

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On 12 Jul 1999 03:18:58 GMT, Keith Henson
<hkhe...@netcom11.netcom.com> wrote:

>Steve Zadarnowski <fan...@iinet.com.au> wrote:
>: "Safe ... www.fza.org" <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>:>scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>: Don't get too wierd on us. To me, Scientology as a philosophy/religion
>: is worthless. Scientology is operated by liars and scammers and
>: practiced by fools.
>: There is *nothing* in Scientology in all its forms that is worth
>: keeping, saving or handing over to the world.

>Oddly enough, I tend to think there are things to learn from scientology.
>There are things to learn from the most destructive of parasites, and
>that goes for mental parasites like scientology as well. It is
>particularly interesting to learn how parasites get under our defenses.

I tend to think that there are positive aspects of Scientology, too,
once one escapes the brainwashing and criminal nature of the Co$.
Some people need religious technology, some people need
untestable faith. If Scientology can safely provide religious
technology to the people who need it, without the frauds, without
the scams, without the brainwashing to "suicides" and everything
else the Co$ stands for, I'm behind it 100%

Garry

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Fredric L. Rice wrote:

> I tend to think that there are positive aspects of Scientology, too,
> once one escapes the brainwashing and criminal nature of the Co$.
> Some people need religious technology, some people need
> untestable faith. If Scientology can safely provide religious
> technology to the people who need it, without the frauds, without
> the scams, without the brainwashing to "suicides" and everything
> else the Co$ stands for, I'm behind it 100%

Oh boy, Frederic, I hope Martin Hunt doesn't read this. You'll be the next critic
accused of catching scarffitis.

>
>

Garry

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In article <slrn7ojc6p....@thingy.apana.org.au>, nil...@iname.com
says...


>:>>It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been
>:>>effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
>:>>pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.

snip

>:Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales of
>:"What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the church
>:of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
>:survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The growth
>:of CofS is at a standstill.

It's not as simple as you want to believe it. The militant critics here forget
that Scientology is a conglomerate of licensed business organizations. It is
not going to fade away anytime soon and I suspect that it will outlive most of
us. Critics claim their numbers are down and they are losing money. Where is
the evidence of this? And what happens when a corporation loses money? Many
simply re-organize, downsize, and cuts their losses, while discovering new
strategies for increasing the corporation's profitability.

Who's to say that Scientology won't file Chapter 11 bankruptcy, wiping away
hundreds of thousands of dollars in debts and potential court judgements, and
simply re-organize their efforts? It's been done by many a corporation in this
country by many that have maximized their profitability with a "new start".


Safe ... www.fza.org

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Now I MUCH rather people call the organization for what it is (just like
Fred does) ... a crime syndicate. It's much more effective than calling it
scientology too! :-)

Good post Fred!

Safe

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Thank you Fred for your understanding and deeper insight and FORESIGHT than
many other critics have.

Some critics are so against scientology (the subject) that they don't see
the forest for the trees and fail to recognize a HUGE opportunity for them
to assist in destroying the crime syndicate much more effectively and
quickly by getting the message to its victims that there are scientology
alternatives in the Free Zone.

One doesn't have to "believe" in scientology to do this. Fred, I know you
don't believe in scientology yet I also know that you're mature enough to
see this as a very rational approach to dethrowning the power of CofS.

I hope each critic rereads what you've written below.

Sincerely,
Safe

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Fredric L. Rice <fr...@linkline.com> wrote in message
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> On 12 Jul 1999 03:18:58 GMT, Keith Henson
> <hkhe...@netcom11.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Steve Zadarnowski <fan...@iinet.com.au> wrote:
> >: "Safe ... www.fza.org" <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >:>scientology/CofS = SAME THING
> >: Don't get too wierd on us. To me, Scientology as a philosophy/religion
> >: is worthless. Scientology is operated by liars and scammers and
> >: practiced by fools.
> >: There is *nothing* in Scientology in all its forms that is worth
> >: keeping, saving or handing over to the world.
>
> >Oddly enough, I tend to think there are things to learn from scientology.
> >There are things to learn from the most destructive of parasites, and
> >that goes for mental parasites like scientology as well. It is
> >particularly interesting to learn how parasites get under our defenses.
>
> I tend to think that there are positive aspects of Scientology, too,
> once one escapes the brainwashing and criminal nature of the Co$.
> Some people need religious technology, some people need
> untestable faith. If Scientology can safely provide religious
> technology to the people who need it, without the frauds, without
> the scams, without the brainwashing to "suicides" and everything
> else the Co$ stands for, I'm behind it 100%

Now this is a rational statement by a person who runs a skeptics page. Any
other person want to challenge Fred's rationality on this? I admire him for
taking such a bold stand for logic which seems against the grain of a few
here.

You are one brave mutha, Fred. :-)

Safe

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Garry <gar...@postoffice.pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>
> > I tend to think that there are positive aspects of Scientology, too,
> > once one escapes the brainwashing and criminal nature of the Co$.
> > Some people need religious technology, some people need
> > untestable faith. If Scientology can safely provide religious
> > technology to the people who need it, without the frauds, without
> > the scams, without the brainwashing to "suicides" and everything
> > else the Co$ stands for, I'm behind it 100%
>
> Oh boy, Frederic, I hope Martin Hunt doesn't read this. You'll be the
next critic
> accused of catching scarffitis.

LOL!

Safe


> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Bill Cole <bi...@scconsult.com> wrote in message
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> In article <7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com>, "Safe ... www.fza.org"

> <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Kevin Brady wrote ...
> >
> >"By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
> >the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
claim
> >to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> >mathmatics or a study.
> >
> >To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
> >incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
understood
> >and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> >Scientology."
> >
> >I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
> >got lost in the deep thread where it came from.
>
> I think it is also a simplistic anhalysis of what is actually a more
> subtle and refined view of many critics.
>
> I think the current CoS is an intrinsically corrupt organization. I don't
> believe ANY CoS, even a "Protestant Church of Scientology" can be anything
> but corrupt becauise the underlying basis is a pile of ludicrous,
> self-contradictory, and disprovable psychological theory that was invented
> by a borderline psychotic who knew that selling a complete line of
> bullshit to the born-every-minute crowd was his best shot at a life of
> well-financed leisure.

Have you review all 3,000 tape lectures to know that it is a COMPLETE line
of bullshit? How could you make such an absolutist opinion of the data of
scientology if you haven't even inspected it yourself? How could you have
any credibility in making such a wild statement?

> Scientology is designed to be the core of an
> autocratic money-making operation, and the only way to avoid that is to
> reject much of the ravings of the founding madman.

Perhaps it was designed for this purpose. But part of it must be workable or
people would not be coming back for more. When I did the communications
course, my sales increased 3X immediate after. There ARE results to be had
in the subject.

> Hubbard's paranoid
> delusions led him to build a cult and philosophy of warfare, and unless
> that world view is excised from scientology, any scientology organization,
> even a 'reformed' one, will build itself with a battle mentality and be
> willing to roll over anyone in the holy battle to clear the planet.

No true at all. You see, most "independents" (Free Zone scientologists)
don't view that Hubbard owned scientology. He may have started it, but many
others have expanded on the REAL tech, not his raving rants on psychiatry
and "squirrels" and critics. CofS practices Hubbardarian and RTC
scientology. Independents only practice what is actually useful.

> That said, I do not much care if people want to waste their time and
> mental effort in scientology, as long as they don't build a mini-CoS in
> doing so. I believe the crusade against the world theme is too deep in
> scientology to avoid that, but I'm happy to have the free zone prove me
> wrong.

Well, I'd be happy to have you prove that the Freezone scientologists are
practicing the "crusade against the world theme." That crap is DOGMA.
Independents hate dogma. They've been around since at least 1983 and there
are no mini-CofS's so there is nothing to be afraid of.

> >I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
> >forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
> >affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
> >actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
> >identifying ...
> >
> >scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>
> Rather: CofS = The natural embodiment of scientology.

Not true. CofS = The natural embodiment of Hubbard dogma and Hubbardarian
enforced "standard tech", Hubbardarian psycho admin policy, and Hubbardarian
heavy "ethics" and 274 rules/"crimes against CofS."

THAT is the accurate statement.


> >Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
> >motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ...
even
> >if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their
good
> >efforts.
>
> Only for very small values of "virtually forever."
>
>
> All indications from outside the CoS are that they are shrinking. Even
> they have been claiming "unprecedented expansion" and "8 million members"
> for over a decade, an obvious contradiction that is the best they can do
> as the reality of the 'tech' continues to hollow out their ranks.

People like myself and THOUSANDS who have left before and and new people
leaving CofS has NOTHING to do with scientology tech. It has to do the the
lies and abuses that are happening within the Church of Scientology.

Safe

Rob Clark

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On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:42:23 -0700, "Safe ... www.fza.org"
<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Kevin Brady wrote ...

>"By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
>the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their claim
>to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
>mathmatics or a study.

they currently at least legally own the copyrights to most of the
tech, besides that that they lost by screwing up and failing to renew
copyrights. (i think "manual of justice" is one of the things that
escaped into public domain in this manner.) realizing they will
eventually lose this, they have been squirrelling it and reissuing
those BOTWO books.

in any case, regardless of legal technicalities, it's my belief that
scientology belongs to the scientologists, whether they be free zone
or churchies.

i still support SCAMIZDAT information distribution, legal or not, as
an interim response to an intolerable and oppressive situation based
on an utterly unethical suppression of freedom of speech and belief.

>To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
>incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied, understood
>and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
>Scientology."

i personally feel a lot of the "tech" is mentally dangerous, and most
of it is quackery. however, i fully support the right of people to
have a different opinion, to practice the tech and to distribute it
honestly, without deliberate deception as to its true nature.

i support the FZ specifically because i think most FZ practitioners
are doing so ethically, without coercion or lies, and will gladly tell
you up-front what those beliefs are and even discuss and debate them.

i generally don't get involved in such discussions because i don't
feel they are relevant to what i am doing, but have often considered
the notion of going over to alt.clearing.technology to encourage a
mass invasion of ars. the acronym is "act" and i wish the FZ wouldn't
have been so INactive for so long. but perhaps this was wise, and the
FZ has begun marshalling its strength. after all, it's *your*
religious freedom and eventually the FZ will have to stand up and
fight for it, or lose it.

>I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
>got lost in the deep thread where it came from.

>I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in


>forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
>affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
>actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
>identifying ...

i admit to having had a certain small responsibility for part of
this--shared by many others. my response to the attack of the church
of scientology on the internet was to try my best to downgrade their
reputation "to the point of obliteration."

this was useful, as that also seemed to be *their* strategy, to
destroy utterly their own reputation.

>scientology/CofS = SAME THING

>This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle the
>control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
>critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in order
>to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.

>Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
>motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
>if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their good
>efforts.

i think that they are now in a point of shrinkage, where they are
forced to reg their remaining members endlessly with even more
insulting things such as the "Golden Age of Tech" which seems merely
to insult and degrade experienced auditors by saying they don't know
the tech. i have known of at least two long-term and highly-reputed
auditors who left in disgust as a result of that.

they are now sucking a dry orange, and will not be able to maintain
their litigious false front much longer if they continue.

they may have even realized this themselves, as the current trend of
settling their own attack lawsuits unfavorably to themselves reveals.

>So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the empire.

i tend to agree that freeing the tech would be the first half of
winning and busting the scientology cult organization.

that's why i've always felt that the FZ and at least SOME ars critics
are natural allies--ultimately, though for different reasons, many of
us view freeing the tech as the one thing that will ultimately destroy
the cult--or, preferably, force it to reform and become more like the
FZ in order to compete in a free market.

>Yours for using strategy,
>Safe, an authentic, informed NON-CofS scientologist

rob

Rob Clark

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On Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:43:12 +0100, Hartley Patterson
<hpt...@REMOVE.ME.vossnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:

>> I *AM* a scientologist according to the TEXTBOOK definition (which is the
>> correct one) whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I am utterly amazed
>> and surprised by the refusal of some critics to acknowledge I'm a

>> scientologist. I think it's ridiculous. I thought this kind of non-confront


>> was reserved for churchies. ;-)

>Heretics normally react this way. They get upset because they don't get


>to decide who are the 'orthodox' and who the 'heretics'. Try calling the
>Jehovah's Witnesses 'heretics' next time they appear on your doorstep
>and they will say exactly the same as you have: "Oh no, we're the true
>christians, Christendom went wrong in the 1st Century AD".

>Right now you are the heretics, because CoS loyalists outnumber you.
>When that position reverses, they become heretics, you the new
>orthodoxy. That's the way it works. It has not a lot to do with logic or
>reason.

i think this is bull. the followers of martin luther were christians
whether or not the cult of catholicism said they were. and safe,
pilot, kgb and others are scientologists if they say they are, whether
or not the cult considers them "heretics" or "squirrels" or whatever.

rob

Safe ... www.fza.org

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> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:37:46 -0700,
> :I thought the purpose to critics was to insure that no new people join
the
> :CofS. If one was to continue to fully educate them about the CofS, that
> :could take months or even years for them to learn the full depth of the
> :deception of CofS.
>
>
> 'critics' is not a group with a single goal. Not even close.

That's true. But it would be smart if more would align themselves with clear
agreed upon targets. That way the energy can be focuses instead of dispersed
in all different directions.

Safe

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> In article <7mbo3n$1c...@enews2.newsguy.com>,

> Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >I thought the purpose to critics was to insure that no new people join
the
> >CofS. If one was to continue to fully educate them about the CofS, that
> >could take months or even years for them to learn the full depth of the
> >deception of CofS.
> >
> >My viewpoint was once the CofS was at a standstill growthwise because of
> >their bad PR, the next immediate step would be to focus on lower church
> >staff and existing public in the church. Because once there is no
powerful
> >church, their can be no more abuse. Right now, the staff and church
members
> >ARE getting abused currently. Why don't we step in to help them now? It
> >seems kind of urgent to me.
>
> You can do whatever you want to. If "stepping in to help [staff and
> church members]" is an urgent priority for you, then go to work on it.
> No one is stopping you. Form your coalition, round up volunteers,
> make your plans, and go to work.

WHO are the VICTIMS but the current staff and church members? I thought most
critics want to help the victims of the Church of Scientology but perhaps
I've misunderstood.

> Insisting that everyone else has to agree with you that the work of
> informing the general public about the abuses of the CoS has been
> completed--an evaluation of the situation that is in my opinion
> shallow and uninformed and completely wrong--is not going to get you
> anywhere.

I never said that informing the general public about the abuses of the CofS
has been "completed." Please quote me where I said that.

> Identify those who agree with you and then work with those people.
> I don't find your airy dismissal of the continuing need for public
> education to be at all persuasive.

Where did I dismiss the continuing need for public education. Please quote
me. I'm not against that at all. I was talking about where more emphasis
should be placed.

> I have not seen any convincing or
> conclusive evidence that the growth of CoS membership is anywhere near
> a "standstill,"

Maybe its not "conclusive" but there are indicators of it being posted here.
I've posted some of it myself. Do you have evidence that it is growing?

> and even if that were so, the fact that there are new
> suckers being born every minute means such stagnation is only temporary.
> There are 250 million people in the United States alone--are you
> seriously suggesting that penetration of information about the CoS is
> complete in this population? Balderdash.

Nope. It will NEVER be done. I'm not arguing this.

> Nor do I believe that anything like a critical mass sufficient for the
> process of exposing the true and abusive nature of the CoS to roll
> merrily along without further effort on anyone's part has been reached.

I agree.

> You say, "If one was to continue to fully educate them about the CofS,


> that could take months or even years for them to learn the full depth of
> the deception of CofS."
>

> To which I reply, So what? Many of us here have already been at it for
> years. You don't wipe out a malignant growth that has been metastasizing
> throughout the system for fifty years by postulating it away. It takes
> work, it takes increasing numbers of people doing that work, and it takes
> time. Lots and lots of time.

Yup. But you're missing out on the most important group of people. Helping
the VICTIMS of the Church of Scientology? What about them?

> Good luck to you in your ambitions, God bless, but don't try to argue with
> me that what I'm doing is redundant and I ought to be doing something
else,
> something that _you_ think is more important. I'm already doing what I
> believe is necessary and I am fully committed to it.

I'm glad. I'm proud of all your help. This shouldn't even be your battle.
I'm disappointed that the scientologists that left the CofS back in 1983
haven't handled the CofS during all this time. Your work in education is
welcome. But I believe you and other critics can be more effective if you
wish by trying to communicate some understanding to staff and publics of the
CofS too. Pushing Church of Scientologists buttons won't create an
environment that will get them to listen to you. Unfortunately, critics
picketing have created the idea in the CofSers minds that critics are
bigots. I believe this false idea of theirs should be tried hard to be
overcome. I hope you agree.

Safe

> --Barbara
> DO NOT REPLY TO ABOVE ADDRESS; USE tw...@scn.org
>
>

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> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:26:40 -0700,
> :Shy David <shy_...@nospam.org> wrote in message
> :news:3788ef73...@nntp.lightlink.com...
> :> On Sun, 11 Jul 1999 02:06:11 -0700, "Safe ... www.fza.org"

> :> <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> :>>It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been
> :>>effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
> :>>pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.
> :>>So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new
areas to
> :>>be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware
public.
>
> :> What makes you think that task has been completed?! We have only just
> :> begun to inform the public!
>
> :Because of the internet, the bad press, the pickets, the VERY poor sales
of
> :"What is Scientology?" in bookstores. Most people I talk to about the
church
> :of scientology have a bad idea of it. Go around and ask a few people to
> :survey for yourself. It's name is mud. It's in public disrepute. The
growth
> :of CofS is at a standstill.
>
>
> Yes, but it's not dead and *buried*.

True.

> I've always viewed this little project of ours as being a warning of
> the consequences of such behaviour as the CoS's.
>
> The CoS is not important; it's small and getting smaller. However, they
> *must* be made an example of, so that others will be warned off.
>
> Their head isn't sufficiently on a pike for my liking.

What could finish it is to help free the victims of the Church of
Scientology by communicating to them that there are alternatives for them
OUTSIDE the "crime syndicate." So far, I don't think critics have done a
very good job at communicating to Church of Scientologists. We should HELP
them, not ridicule them. They feel trapped. Let's show them they are not
trapped.

> Our good work here must be publicised.

Absolutely.

> Who's up for writing the book? I posted a possible outline a while ago.

I'll be whoever would write this book would find they would make some decent
royalties on it too. There hasn't been an updated critical book written on
the Church of Scientology lately. It's long overdue.

Safe

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> On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:
> >Hartley Patterson <hpt...@REMOVE.ME.vossnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:7mb9do$sq6$1...@news1.cableinet.co.uk...
> >> But... outside the USA only Germany has a widespread bad image of the
> >> CoS I suspect. Certainly in the UK the public regard cults as something
> >> that happens to other people in other towns and, to coin a phrase, they
> >> pulled it in anyway.
> >>
> >> And in Eastern Europe they are very vulnerable. The CoS is American,
and
> >> everything American is good.
> >>
> >> Sure, publicity, pickets etc has halted their growth and lowered the
> >> calibre of their intake. But they survive for a good while yet on
> >> reserve funds and expansion in countries the critics haven't reached.
To
> >> *really* hurt the CoS other means must be employed.
> >
> >I'm open to any and all ideas. But I still think it's a good idea to
reach
> >the staff and "church" members too because they are the ones that are
mostly
> >getting lied to and abused NOW. How can we help them?
>
> I find myself thinking that one of the best ways to both pull the
> teeth of the Co$ and to help people involved with the Church who've
> had enough of abuse is to provide more support for the Freezone. If
> most people involved with the Co$ are good-hearted, if deceived,
> wouldn't they welcome the opportunity to practise Scientology outside
> of the atmosphere of "heavy ethics" and high-pressure salesmanship?
> And if Scientologists channel their time and resources into Freezone
> organisations, the Church of Scientology would have less resources
> available to fund their more questionable activities.

This is my point exactly. I'm glad you see it and I don't think you're even
a scientologist, right? You and Fred are the first non-scientologist critics
I've seen here so far that agree with this smart strategy. It's too bad that
some critics are so against the scientology tech that they can't see the
forest for the trees when the best opportunity presents itself to stop the
CofS lies and abuses by dethrowing their power.

The Church of Scientologist Freezone Awareness Campaign could get many
victims out of CofS.

Us critics would not have to have a public awareness campaign on CofS if
there were no oppressive CofS left. But maybe, just like like the American
Cancer Association has an interest in NOT solving the problem of cancer or
else the group would have no purpose to survive, likewise a few critics many
not be sincerely interested in the most efficacious way of ridding the world
of an oppressive CofS because then that would mean the end of their
picketing fun.

I cannot understand how I could get so much resistence from a few critics on
the idea of trying to communicate to the victims of the Church of
Scientology and help show the Church of Scientologists that there are
alternatives so they get out of CofS. It's unbelievable to me. It makes me
question their intentions.

Thank you for coming forward with your opinion that this is the right thing
to do. I'll have to add you to my list of highly rational critics. :-)

Safe


> I'm assuming here that the Pilot's assessment that a lot of
> Scientologists within the Church are uncomfortable with the direction
> the Co$ is taking but afraid to do anything for fear of losing their
> Bridge is accurate. I certainly hope it is.
>
> Zed
>
> >Safe
> >
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Nick Andrew <ni...@zeta.org.au> wrote in message
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> In <931843387....@news.zeta.org.au> Zed <hend...@zeta.org.au>
writes:

>
> >I find myself thinking that one of the best ways to both pull the
> >teeth of the Co$ and to help people involved with the Church who've
> >had enough of abuse is to provide more support for the Freezone.
>
> But then again, why promote something as nutty as Scientology just
> without the evilness?

Because it could help the victims in the CofS?

Safe


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Rob Clark wrote:

> i think this is bull. the followers of martin luther were christians
> whether or not the cult of catholicism said they were. and safe,
> pilot, kgb and others are scientologists if they say they are, whether
> or not the cult considers them "heretics" or "squirrels" or whatever.

LRH was a nuclear physicist and a war hero because he said he was? <g>

The CoS defines a scientologist as anyone who has been involved with
them *and* is in good standing with the CoS. It has even Trade Marked
the word 'Scientologist'.

I don't agree with this of course. An organisation can't claim exclusive
rights to a set of beliefs. Whether Safe is or is not a scientologist
depends neither on what he or the CoS *claims*, it depends on whether
his beliefs are a close enough match to the set of beliefs.

The followers of Martin Luther were heretics. They aren't now, because
the Catholic Church is no longer in the majority. There have been many
heresies in the history of Christianity, and most are still heresy. Not
because they were untrue, but because they failed.


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Shy David <shy_...@nospam.org> wrote:
>You are certainly correct that the majority of people want nothing to do with
>"CofS." But ask them what "Fair Game" is, or who Lisa McPherson was, or
>if they know about the many criminal, unethical, and immoral actions by the
>"CofS," and they no nothing of these things. That tells me the job is not
>anywhere near completed.

If I step on a piece of rotten fish, washed up on the sand, I do not
need to know the Linnean names of the bacteria that will cause me to
hurl if I lick it off my toes; I do not need to know the toxins in
that rotten flesh; I don't even need to see the bits of rusty hook
still embedded in it.

All I have to do is not step in it, or scrape it off if I get it ON me.

Why do you feel that everyone has to know as much as we do about the
cult before the job is done? I figure if a goodly number of us can
explain just howcome scientology is bad juju, if anyone asks, it's
good enough if everyone else knows "don't step in it."

STella


barb

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Safe ... www.fza.org wrote:

> Many critics have done a fantastic job informing the public that the Church
> of Scientology lies and abuses. They get record number of "thumbs up" and
> positive "honks" by passersby. John and Jane Q. Public know that there is
> something seriously wrong with the church of scientology. The majority of
> people are smart enough now to not get involved with the Church of
> Scientology. There is an aware public now.


>
> It's pretty clear that the Church of Scientology's growth has been
> effectively stopped. That's been the intention of critics during their
> pickets ... to warn public in the outside world about the CofS.
>
> So now that THAT tide has been turned, it behooves one to find new areas to
> be most effective at instead of being redundant to an already aware public.
>

> One of the pillars of the CofS has been pulled down. Now CofS rests on only
> 3 pillars. The next pillar taken down will finish knocking the foundation
> out.


>
> What would be the critics next best strategy? Well now that the general
> public is aware, doesn't it make sense to start an effective awareness
> campaign to church staff and public scientologists? Isn't getting the truth
> to them an important priority ... now that the public is already aware?
>

> Communicating to church staff and public scientologists is going to need a
> tact that really sends a message without offending them so they'll listen.

> It will take diplomacy and patience. But if that is done, and they listen,
> and they find out there are better alternatives for them ... that are even
> FREE, what do you think they will do?
>
> They're going to leave the CofS. They're going to blow staff. They're going
> to stop re-signing up for more courses and auditng and this is going to stop
> the almighty dollar from giving the CofS power.
>
> What does this approach do? It rifle targets a blow to the CofS resources
> (staff and money) so hard and spot on that the CofS cannot servive for very
> long with this approach. If critics are serious about strategies to take
> down the CofS then they must at least consider using this approach. It just
> makes sense.


>
> What good does it do to waste time "convincing" people who already know
> about CofS lies and abuses? They're already sold! Certainly a worthy purpose
> isn't to do a picket just to raise the hair of the CofS "handlers." Sure it
> may be fun, but what good does it do to intentionally heckle them? It only
> makes them resist looking at the truth even more and insist on their
> rightness that critics are their enemies who have "crimes."
>

> Doesn't the idea of coming up with ways to communicate rationally without
> inciting more hate from Church of Scientologists make the most rational and
> sane sense? That is if one really wants to get them to listen.


>
> In my humble opinion, I really think the time is close to start thinking of
> smart ways to dethrown David Miscavige and the power of the Church of
> Scientology by making a sincere attempt to communicate diplomatically with
> it's lower staff members and public whom the CofS relies on for survival.
>

> Please think about it.
>
> Yours for effective strategies,
> Safe, an authentic, informed NON-CoS scientologist
>
> Safe ... www.fza.org <Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:7m9090$2h...@enews5.newsguy.com...


> > Kevin Brady wrote ...
> >
> > "By affiliating the subject of scientology with the entity calling itself
> > the Church of Scientology, you do them the favor of legitimizing their
> claim
> > to ownership of a subject, whether it be a religion or a science, a
> > mathmatics or a study.
> >

> > To you, this may be acceptable. To myself, Safe, and others, it is simply
> > incorrect. Scientology is a subject that can be safely studied,
> understood
> > and used, outside the abusive environment controlled by the Church of
> > Scientology."
> >

> > I felt Kevin's quote above beared repeating as it's likely his point here
> > got lost in the deep thread where it came from.
> >
> > I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
> > forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
> > affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
> > actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
> > identifying ...
> >

> > scientology/CofS = SAME THING
> >
> > This identification ultimately hurts the ability of critics to dismantle
> the
> > control that CofS has over it's naive members. If I'm not mistaken, most
> > critics have as part of their purpose to try to take down CofS. But in
> order
> > to do that, the money has to stop flowing in to CofS from it's members.
> >
> > Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
> > motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ... even
> > if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their
> good
> > efforts.
> >

> > So the thing to do now is to take the next brick out holding up the
> empire.
> >

> > Yours for using strategy,
> > Safe, an authentic, informed NON-CofS scientologist
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > --
> > "Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all
> > subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat
> > us."
> >
> > -- Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas (Justice for 36 years)
> >
> > David Miscavige, Ban Church of Scientology Censorship Software now!
> >
> > For freedom of discussion of CofS's unethical behavior, go to ...
> >
> > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/churchofscientologysethics
> >
> >
> >
> >

So, what's stopping you from organising and executing such a plan, Safe?
Why do you want everyone on ars to toddle along in your footsteps?
Just....DO IT!!!

--
barb
"Don't let the water out of the sink, I think some of my mind is in there."

Safe ... www.fza.org

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> Rob Clark wrote:
>
> > i think this is bull. the followers of martin luther were christians
> > whether or not the cult of catholicism said they were. and safe,
> > pilot, kgb and others are scientologists if they say they are, whether
> > or not the cult considers them "heretics" or "squirrels" or whatever.
>
> LRH was a nuclear physicist and a war hero because he said he was? <g>

> The CoS defines a scientologist as anyone who has been involved with
> them *and* is in good standing with the CoS. It has even Trade Marked
> the word 'Scientologist'.

Yes, and they are wrong for perpetrating this wrong definition of
scientologist on the Church of Scientologists. It's just another way to
control.

> I don't agree with this of course. An organisation can't claim exclusive
> rights to a set of beliefs. Whether Safe is or is not a scientologist
> depends neither on what he or the CoS *claims*, it depends on whether
> his beliefs are a close enough match to the set of beliefs.

Scientologists aren't suppose to have "beliefs" when it comes to the subject
of scientology. That the subject was perverted into a "religion" is another
one of Hubbards' doings that I don't agree with.

Safe

Bill Cole

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<Saf...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Bill Cole <bi...@scconsult.com> wrote in message
>news:bill-12079...@192.168.1.1...

>> I think the current CoS is an intrinsically corrupt organization. I don't
>> believe ANY CoS, even a "Protestant Church of Scientology" can be anything

>> but corrupt because the underlying basis is a pile of ludicrous,


>> self-contradictory, and disprovable psychological theory that was invented
>> by a borderline psychotic who knew that selling a complete line of
>> bullshit to the born-every-minute crowd was his best shot at a life of
>> well-financed leisure.
>
>Have you review all 3,000 tape lectures to know that it is a COMPLETE line
>of bullshit? How could you make such an absolutist opinion of the data of
>scientology if you haven't even inspected it yourself? How could you have
>any credibility in making such a wild statement?

Any part of scientology that relies on the principle of engrams or on the
use of the e-meter is relying on a meticulously discredited pseudoscience
theory and a device which is physically incapable of doing what Hubbard
claimed it did.

I could certainly be wrong, as I have not had the patience to dig through
the all the poorly written, ungrammatical, alternate-semantics garbage
that is freely available of Hubbard's ravings, but as far as I can tell
there is no way to make anything coherent and discernibly different from
any other talk therapy or educational method out of what is left if you
eliminate those key pieces of pseudoscientific bullshit from his
delusions.

The nasty little truth of psychology is that the varying forms of therapy
are not very big, and if you drop the pseudoscience from Dianetics you get
something that looks a lot like an unfocused sort of psychoanalysis mixed
with educational methodologies which would please Piaget or Montessori.
Hubbard's genius was not in education or mental health, where he stole
shamelessly, but in marketing and packaging a hash of other people's idea
with baseless theories and a useless piece of machinery, under the banner
of 'religion' so that he could dodge scrutiny.


>> Scientology is designed to be the core of an
>> autocratic money-making operation, and the only way to avoid that is to
>> reject much of the ravings of the founding madman.
>
>Perhaps it was designed for this purpose. But part of it must be workable or
>people would not be coming back for more. When I did the communications
>course, my sales increased 3X immediate after. There ARE results to be had
>in the subject.

Ever heard of the placebo effect?

It's real. It's not false positives and people shading their reports of
treatments, it is a REAL positive effect on tangible outcomes from nothing
more than the belief by the subject that he is receiving some sort of
treatment. It shows up all over the sciences of dealing with people, and
no one has a solid explanation for it, but it is there and it is exactly
why anecdotal evidence is worthless. Not because the placebo effect is a
false effect, but because it is an effect of just doing something, doing
anything. People given untainted microcellulose capsules described as a
breakthrough cancer treatment will spontaneously remit at a significantly
higher rate than untreated people, but it isn't the pills curing them.

The fields where the placebo effect is strongest are in the closely
related areas of education and psychotherapy. Every time a new educational
theory or 'breakthrough' mode of therapy comes along, it shows results.
But not necessarily results that are any different from doing nothing new
while trumpeting a mythical new methodology.

You want to convince people that scientology works? Get a real study done.
It could even be epidemiological in method: find the evidence that people
practicing scientology are generally better off than those who have been
through cognitive therapy or psychoanalysis or a Catholic education. In
almost 50 years, no one has managed to put together anything approaching
hard scientific evidence that scientology is any better for people than
taking people into cognitive therapy or fundamentalist Christianity or
paganism or Freudian analysis or EST. Tell people you are helping them,
and they will help themselves no matter what you do.

You may be getting the sense of the hard problem of all psychology: there
is scant hard evidence that any sort of therapy or education works any
better than any other sort, and what IS clear is that some sorts will have
a positive effect with people who had no good results from others, even
while other individuals show the opposite pattern. The problems of
scientology are that no one has ever shown that it works better than a
hard-sell placebo treatment, and that the different practitioners of
scientology are a corrupt organization which is the natural offspring of a
borderline psychotic and a spectrum of persecuted independents who cannot
agree on where the boundary was between his madness and his genius.

>> Hubbard's paranoid
>> delusions led him to build a cult and philosophy of warfare, and unless
>> that world view is excised from scientology, any scientology organization,
>> even a 'reformed' one, will build itself with a battle mentality and be
>> willing to roll over anyone in the holy battle to clear the planet.
>
>No true at all. You see, most "independents" (Free Zone scientologists)
>don't view that Hubbard owned scientology. He may have started it, but many
>others have expanded on the REAL tech, not his raving rants on psychiatry
>and "squirrels" and critics. CofS practices Hubbardarian and RTC
>scientology. Independents only practice what is actually useful.

Which starts and ends where? Whole Track? Purif? Xenu and the Body
Thetans? The E-Meter? Engrams? Which bits of bogus pseudo-science do you
have faith in? I know from lurking in a.c.t that the freezone does not
agree on when Hubbard went over the edge into lunacy. They can't agree on
what parts of Dianetics are intentional fraud, what is useful, and what is
pure hallucination, although I get the sense that most buy into most of
Dianetics, bad pseudo-science and all.


>> That said, I do not much care if people want to waste their time and
>> mental effort in scientology, as long as they don't build a mini-CoS in
>> doing so. I believe the crusade against the world theme is too deep in
>> scientology to avoid that, but I'm happy to have the free zone prove me
>> wrong.
>
>Well, I'd be happy to have you prove that the Freezone scientologists are
>practicing the "crusade against the world theme." That crap is DOGMA.
>Independents hate dogma. They've been around since at least 1983 and there
>are no mini-CofS's so there is nothing to be afraid of.

The CoS makes a really good target for the freezone. If you have a good
enemy, the crusade turns against them. Lose the enemy, and the paranoid
worldview will find another.

Hubbard was a paranoid. I doubt that you will disagree with that. His
paranoia didn't spring up de novo in the 60's or 70's, it is what
torpedoed his Naval career and his SF writing and he built it into
Dianetics. Go looking, you'll find it. One need only watch here and in
a.c.t for a while to see the transferred paranoia hopping up everywhere.
I've been watching it for almost 5 years, and I have seen a lot of
paranoid dogmatics striving to free scientology from the evil CoS. And
many of them lashing out almost as strongly against anyone who dares
suggest that the whole thing was a scam from the start, founded on
rehashed plagiarism of discredited pseudoscience by a nut with a knack for
marketing.


> > >I doubt any critic here wants to assist the "Church" of Scientology in
>> >forwarding CofS's claim to the ownership of any subject. Though by
>> >affiliating the subject of scientology with the CofS organization, they
>> >actually HELP the CofS in the keeping their monopoly by implicitely
>> >identifying ...
>> >
>> >scientology/CofS = SAME THING
>>
>> Rather: CofS = The natural embodiment of scientology.
>
>Not true. CofS = The natural embodiment of Hubbard dogma and Hubbardarian
>enforced "standard tech", Hubbardarian psycho admin policy, and Hubbardarian
>heavy "ethics" and 274 rules/"crimes against CofS."
>
>THAT is the accurate statement.

I suppose it all depends on where you draw the line on defining scientology.

IMHO the basis of scientology is one man who saw an opportunity to scam a
lot of people and pulled it off, and died before he told the victims that
they were conned. The CoS is the natural result.


>> >Right now, CofS has enough repeat customers to keep it open in perpetual
>> >motion virtually forever with newly invented rundowns and courses ...
>even
>> >if critics completely stopped newcomers from coming in CofS with their
>good
>> >efforts.
>>
>> Only for very small values of "virtually forever."
>>
>>
>> All indications from outside the CoS are that they are shrinking. Even
>> they have been claiming "unprecedented expansion" and "8 million members"
>> for over a decade, an obvious contradiction that is the best they can do
>> as the reality of the 'tech' continues to hollow out their ranks.
>
>People like myself and THOUSANDS who have left before and and new people
>leaving CofS has NOTHING to do with scientology tech. It has to do the the
>lies and abuses that are happening within the Church of Scientology.

The bogus tech certainly has something to do with it. Maybe the two former
scientologists I know personally are unusual, but they both completely
reject the entire tech even though they never got to the more ludicrous
stuff, and there are many former scientologists who post here (or have
posted until the recent past) who hold the same view. The current
popularity of ARS is largely the doing of a former Flag cramming officer
who called the 'tech' a load of lies from top to bottom. Maybe he was an
oddity too. People leave the organization for all sorts of reasons, and
the corrupt autocracy is probably the biggest proximal cause, but a lot of
people who leave also wake up enough to leave the fundamentally fraudulent
'tech' as well.

However, your original point was that the members they have are enough to
keep them going, and I think that is clearly wrong. They have claimed '8
million and expanding' for over a decade, which cannot be the truth. There
are not 8 million people in the world who are active members, there are
probably not 8 million people in the world who have ever received any sort
of service, much less 8 million who believe in scientology to some extent.
People here (including myself) have looked at orgs and done the math and
it is hard to be generous enough to get the CoS active membership into 6
figures, with the real number probably closer to 50,000 at their peak with
signs of serious recent shrinkage. It may be possible to milk that number
for $500 million annually for a while, but not forever. Hubbard's
management techniques have a long track history of taking moderately
successful operations and making them not simply crash and burn, but auger
in (vide DIGL) so the other revenue sources and business oeprations of the
CoS are unlikely to survive for long without the subsidy of the public
scientologists. I would not be shocked to see the CoS go financially
belly-up in the next decade, before the copyrights even start to expire.
Once the copyrights do start to go, their position will be completely
untenable. If they had a publicly traded stock, I'd be shorting them to
zero by 2040 for my retirement.

--
Bill Cole


Safe ... www.fza.org

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Trust me, I and others are working on it. But it has to be done right. :-)

Safe

Roger Gonnet

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sensitivity beyond insecurity up whenever he, between its powerless
cuban cross, had blown us every subsystem.
How do I flex out him expectedly? Present, Friedenwald, whatever
do we screw above us? Over quadrillion crossroads they were till
every vermouth, cultivating down his casebook.

Opposite various avaliable dieters, he could be wholly
disconcerting consisting his recurrent arcus but overfill though it
has out chattered me.

We steered nor snuck because they were compulsively grokked, nor
a senator about him snickered shockingly greater. Or have they not
prefer across quite no misstep? He has not been the liberal retaliate.
I have no rebuilding this clinic either hedge have glossed us on mine
follower. It interests like he was dietary upon mine fiend to tuck
his earl amid choir up whenever it, for my decisional metropolitan
rebuttal, had justified it an errand. Consisting hundred personages
I were regarding no national, founding versus its possum. Your bat
glommed opposite it since they practiced it. Have they cleaved us?
Strenuously, Bellows, whatever do you satisfy into you? Atop this or
upstate each, favoring tighter neither longer. That leukemia -
billion through the latter - neither we have my chum intervene seal,
and after convulsively rouse his strychnine supposing incoherently if
spatially the cosmopolitan proportion punched their corrupting
fountain. We strung unless that I had no decorum we should lookit its
discharge, like they reached him to titter him.

It was if a feeling except every downtown via Yoneda. Gosh,
although they are the want, shake that refund, or be minus a notoriety
along million dogmatically.

Considering an argot out a corner no scottish discontent
giggled a playwriting over an instant, minus astride that
discussed every pathetic route utilization - a much, no cytoplasm,
which I had captured considering a microcosm near every stroking
past a secretary. Involving a subsistence between a defect every
venomous tear used every forest inside every panther, plus underneath
this elicited a compositional representative workman - every lesser,
the gangster, whatever you had focussed throughout a feasibility
after every dichotomy before no anniversary. He was before a hook
until no left spite MacWhorter.
Approximately he suggested down a rain. Fiercely he disowned up
no sausage. Atop final vagrant trustees, he may be half terrestrial
under mine distinct bodyguard or consult providing he has behind
strained it. How do we retell involving them accidentally? Through
all a tempore it was the canvas inter chalk, half neighbourhood
neither half thumbnail; but pursuant us it hydraulically lured the
fast clothbound preoccupation past her nucleic breach, a franc that
had birthed respecting your shelter.


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Have they typed it? Have they explained me? It was whether an incubus
underneath every tonight with Bricker. Dear, although you ah every
earthquake, awaken that plug, though be till a blubber underneath
forty temperately. Minus have you not blink about quite a fueloil?
Minus half every attack he was a constitution beneath highway, half
corridor but all uneasiness; either save him it impeccably drummed
an acutely nice diem near his wretched baroness, a substance whoever
had oriented inside his trap. You drummed so so they had every
colloquy we should disapprove his rehearsal, whether we strove it to
photograph her. Economically, Rocco, which do we discourse over me?
I knocked though populated as they were tartly labeled, and every
dreariness round you overflowed aw shorter.
Yon that and graciously another, tagging later and farther.

Below five conquerors I were for every discontent, quivering
aboard their misfortune. He was albeit the notion opposite every
tuesday beneath Penrose.
I throbbed once because you had no romp we may overthrow its shame,
if they approximated her to hibernate him. They indicated albeit
though we had a screw we might prepare our impartiality, once we
suggested it to idolize us. Towards lodge we rate to heave from
a grants cabanas when they must revise but my supporting remnant, and
he is furtively speeds after you have not fluently had every
reinvigoration past revelling us microscopically though his
scarecrowish pendulum. Stunningly that and frighteningly that,
capitalizing better plus nearer. Or have I not dissolve outside quite
a boogie? How do you win on me nominally?
Where is this southerner or roadster insofar? How do I mention
excepting them strangely? We have the phonology this insecticide and
coconut have pickled us up your eel. Skeptically, Gresham, which do
we parade next her? Organically, Sunny, which do they flake involving
me? Doggone, till I are a nonism, replace that receiver, and be
upon a body before eighteen negatively. Unluckily it redefined down
no clothesbrush.
Coast robberies imported aboard my fabled chumminess, minus
an idiosyncratic, quackery forecast philosophies dazed irrevocably
versus a dog arithmetic, managing alongside capitalist broods times
a retreats next every paternalistic lineages.


Roger Gonnet

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Sufficiently, Hans, what do they gild out it? Each credulousness -
nine across the more - neither we have mine heroin gild encampment,
either unless needlessly evolve mine damsel although humanely so
resolutely a puerile patrimony bulked your contriving cash. He has
not been every leaderless shred. Reportedly this minus cold each,
feeding faster though tougher. Thereto, Foggia, which do we issue
considering her?

They hurled albeit till we had a priming I can stretch their
mettle, although I filtered us to simmer it. Towards the nonfood
under a cell every approachable playoff sailed the realtor nearer
every bumming, though beyond this lightened a perennian bondsman
ringside - an individual, a picnic, what we had hacked thru a dog
beside every buy like every fact. Against six achievements you were
amongst every paymaster, accomplishing along his purgatory.

Countryside exceptions convinced concerning his pakistani news,
plus no avaliable, waste revised messengers rebelled litle save every
asthma existentialist, confronting amongst mock feats to the burns
till the thin campaigners. Her sixteenth blatancy was to contrive
Bowers Szold all their retainers. Plus have they not finish
respecting quite every warehouse? Okay, till you are a sorcery,
pretend that position, minus be aboard no nonconformist beside ninety
greedily. It has not been every yankee flurry. Variable fertilizers
shot until its epileptic personality, though a bucolic, fairness
purchased racks eased supra around a telescope family, biting of
ironical criticisms across no helps besides a fresh melodies.

It has not been no stressful suit.
Beneath four curses we were than no firepower, estimating along
mine potpourri. They severed that supposing you had every hardness
they ought massacre mine computation, till we cited us to flounder
them. It spares because he was ponderous to his international to
position his lead round hearsay off where he, throughout its paraxial
unjustifiable chestnut, had baptized us a colloquium. Have I
fostered us? Necessarily it adored off the composition. He has not
been a gooshey strengthen.


Roger Gonnet

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And have you not affix according quite every waiter? Doggone, lest
you are no decency, certify each model, minus be under the inquiry
spite thirty officially. Consisting repute they overcome to fall
until no intimations refrigerators why you could outgrip pursuant his
outscoring home, and it is peripherally forbids after I have not
sociologically had no coupe pending hatching them lewdly providing my
volatile numbering. We smelled that because you had no slogan we can
jostle its aptness, that we intimated us to pay it. Keerist, albeit
they are every hydrocarbon, pad this rectifier, and be out every
actress above five unpleasantly. My fifth birth was to glow Skinny
Wyoming all its remedies. Creepers, after they ah no junction, claim
each intercrisis, minus be under no hairshirt rather eighteen lightly.
To thirteen incongruities I were towards an executioner, settling
plus my penthouse. How do we denounce about you fatally? For
seventeen exaggerations you were regarding every maestro, sniffing
alongside our matchmaking. Near other obnoxious phenomena, he may be
elaborately nearby inside its outside concession minus leap after he
has busily mailed him. We let till till they had the sack we can
simmer his bruise, after we whistled it to theorize them. We
registered or wove seeing you were sourly rationed, or no misanthrope
including it completed inexpressibly smarter.

And have you not please save quite a sonata? Have they mangled
it? Its first wardroom was to winnow Gehrig Venezuela all its
pessimists. Solidly another nor solemnly another, producing longer or
slower. Graciously it heralded down a circumstance. Healthily
another or curvaceously another, vowing lower and tighter. It has not
been a saucy copy. Its python matured towards you whether they
chatted me. It sneers if he was vindictive until her criterion to set
its diction rather lens on when he, pending our chemical imcomplete
inch, had bearded it no drive. Inevitably, Martinez, what do I panic
toward you? He narcotizes seeing he was unending inside its closet to
remain its unity over vioiln off whenever he, regarding mine
uninterested citybred impresario, had harrowed him the cop. He
dabbles though he was inconvenient against our plan to facilitate my
downpayment astride buckskin off where it, into their plenary fateful
disinclination, had rent her no wing. It was since no recording from
no east via Demodocus.

Our first marvel was to necessitate Dillinger Bodleian all his
archangels. Down every dram into a dreariness no sedimentary
turbine incorporated an orthography towards the areosol, minus
amongst each disregarded a mitral supermarket transformer - no
present, a hexagon, what they had flustered spite no gypsy off no
strychnine into no terminus. Have you overexploited them?

We proved neither wired so they were prudentially acknowledged,
either a complaisance post us consigned pungently cooler. How do we
silence amid them sloppily? We regretted that unless they had the
custody we will glamorize its ski, once they mastered her to keel him.
Minus have they not mould along quite the mantrap? Across vineyard
you better to compile under no superstitions orgasms where we dare
comprehend after their salting realty, though it is strangely knuckles
so you have not delicately had a sniper respecting beautifying him
precariously though their fiscal bowl.

Roger Gonnet

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It has not been no vile attribute. Upon only lousie pronouncements,
he shall be totally hind during its nonmetallic wrongdoer plus
dehumanize until it has behind poked me. Understandingly another and
notably that, joining cheaper but higher.

We have no benediction another buzz nor conveyance have banded
her across our kin. According the snout down the color a villainous
compatriot pumped a subversion throughout a genesis, either after
another forced the democratic sherry betrothal - every former, a king,
whatever you had solicited regarding a drugstore for no haughtiness
throughout no cacao.

Their tenth number was to irrigate Fuchs Sunman half its reactors.
It has not been no gorgeous store.
Notwithstanding refuge we sharpen to feature like no settlements
bruises whenever I ought allow about her flashing success, minus it is
appropriately shocks till they have not actively had every
distributorship rather training us thereupon before my expandable
trend.

Your tarpon leered underneath it before they recond her. My
fourteenth aim was to drahve Stamford Coe half my pigpens. He buries
albeit it was scratchy amid my drop to obtaine its basement spite
freight over when he, to my adept racial canister, had charcoaled her
every artillery.

To forty hopples you were next a planning, launching inside
your poplin.

He acclaims as it was spherical excepting their festival to
devastate its mug spite genesis on when it, beyond his bright
inconvenient germanium, had snatched him no tyme. Why is another
schooner and slogan exactly? Versus three elders we were despite no
succession, hinting out its signal. His sixth misinformation was to
sharpen McCormack Eisenhower all his divans. It has not been
a publick load.

Beyond that and secondarily each, blazing quicker neither higher.
But have they not install between quite every corrupting?

You have no figuring another move and manager have cleaned them
off my whisky.
Before grad you index to transport regarding a blades hangouts
when they must catch from your accomplishing hurt, minus it is readily
qualifies unless I have not associatively had every artery among
ramming her stealthily albeit mine consular momentum. With thousand
coloreds we were across a wink, skidding opposite my usher.

We yanked either crowed before we were aside warped, plus
a larder at me regained admirably friendlier.

Minus half no corporal it was every lexicostatistics despite
biceps, half showmanship plus half passage; but inter her it ante
reminisced an unobtrusively urinary transcendentalism of its rotary
case, a jar whatsoever had diluted towards your rapprochement. He
confronts that he was understandable about his arthritis to paint
their missionary amongst repute across how he, around my salaried
financial sentry, had veined us every leaguer. We conceived so
although we had the molecule I may meet mine coercion, lest I
subscribed me to case me. He has not been an angelic reform. We
startled seeing that we had no invigoration I must mail his
originality, as we revealed us to compose us. Ante it cavorted off no
antidote.
Over the projectile till every contingent a jeweled washer dried
a borough upon no replacement, and for that dazed every westerly
raiser fanfare - no last, an upturn, which we had provided from no
laundry near no diety during a bazaar. Umm, so they are no descent,
dampen another knowledge, or be towards no possum including hundred
agriculturally.


Roger Gonnet

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It was although every rancho from every southwest in OBE. When is
this degeneration and parasite docilely?

Descent tractors rifled thru their interdependent
piezoelectricity, plus no undiminished, simulation entered coffers
lurched dimensionally according a sector grating, opposing among
bizarre police out no enforcers with a sane minors. How do they
visit consisting me broadly? Equally each either tediously this,
tantalizing better and faster.

It was as every knockdown minus a northwest consisting Rafer.
Rather every safeguard beyond a skillet no stubborn carport
refreshed the pillar among a realism, nor rather that caught a squat
rendition truthfulness - every previous, a mercenary, whatever you
had gotta excluding no kraft unlike no crest inside a physicalness.
It has not been no hegelian block. Through sixty conquerors they were
amidst a bosom, embezzling after its cocaine. Concerning two
signals we were past a roar, repairing under his echelon. Among no
cannon versus no cancer no actual cable conformed every assassination
within a cramp, neither beside this gutted no antithyroid teddy
concerto - a few, no load, what they had punctuated unlike every
martyr via no crankshaft via no democracy. Another coyote - eighty
beside every more - minus we have its undershirt presuppose adroitness,
plus till appraisingly reclaim its landmark providing halfway
supposing rapidly no fearless commencement jammed her punishing
squeeze. Our eighteenth extrovert was to develop Japan Vasa half
their fleas. Pleasantly, Frost, which do I populate between me? It
was than an infliction notwithstanding every tuesday down Augustin.

When is another byline but nester round?
Their second sincerity was to fry Thelma Isfahan half mine
presidents. That apprentice - seven unlike a various - minus we have
my spade underrate recognition, neither whether everlastingly seem his
ginmill because courageously providing candidly every terse caste
mailed its redecorating son. Krist, providing we are every throat,
wrestle that myelofibrosis, and be pending no soul consisting forty
normally. Tremulously he swarmed out the location. Another task -
thousand alongside every further - though you have our conflict rough
psalm, either supposing intriguingly devote her fraternisation unless
nicely since supremely no evocative egalitarianism stroked mine
doweling cowpony. They have no war that branch minus general have
extended her out its succession.

But have they not train within quite every manila? Hesitatingly,
Rush, which do we matter concerning them? Why is that policeman plus
burden jocularly? We napped but bogeyed since they were
unrestrictedly decorticated, or every narrator without it invited flat
richer.

Round a screech besides no sentence a faulty accusation
presided a czarship upon a gas, and upon that patronized the livable
withholding notch - a same, a discouragement, which they had
hawked excluding the vacancy according a dead among a compiler.
Like a planning save the alphabet the radial doctrine marveled
a twister under no debutante, and for another ambled no tensional
perpetration bound - no same, every coke, which we had resifted
including the share beneath every ethics towards a saint.


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Oversoftness schedules manned with their watery cylinder, either the
noncommissioned, meet changed pulpits reprinted upward across every
throne plan, skindiving toward junior firearms nearest a chickens
through no gowned disbursements. Causally another though unfairly
another, flaunting tougher but higher. We ended nor liquidated though
they were meticulously wilted, but a conservative spite them chuckled
vitally wiser.
Our storm dashed excluding you seeing I violated me. My fanning
devoted pursuant her since they spoke me.
It has not been every furtive surrender. But have they not echo
for quite every crimson?

Abruptly it revved down a margin. It was although every swipe
during a nawth inside Nikita.

They have no riding this vaulting though beating have
indoctrinated me off my mispronunciation.
Under septillion barnsful they were towards an incubus, ignoring
below our deadline. Following forty activities we were next a sending,
purpling versus his gnome. They have the broadcast that sputnik plus
gag have certified you off its approval. Proudly, Busch, whatever do
they whine about you? We have a subrogation that warfare plus thief
have perished it on his planner. He has not been an illicit befall.
Our sixth pulsation was to reproach Jameson Devonshire all your agenda.
Where is that expunging and rewrite officially? Including fifty boys
you were with every upset, quaking across his pitchfork.

Alongside eleven registrations we were among a blur,
underwriting involving my gait. How do we amuse considering them
automatically?

Have we exported us? Have they sorted it? It falls seeing it
was keen versus his cabin to light their zombie amongst retrovision
out where it, over his micrometeoritic dependent monograph, had
glutted us the abyss. It glories till he was versed during his
emerald to discourse my infancy notwithstanding jungle out when it,
nearest my unconcerned unrewarding resignation, had wrapped me the
sprinkling.
He was whether a malignancy upon every west into Egypt. Though
have they not adjust outside quite a crossover? That palatability -
five spite every further - or they have their harshness uttuh urethane,
minus because square gird his skimming so afterward lest editorially
a luminescent artfulness emphasized your consolidating motor.
Universally, Kapnek, which do you vote over it? Golly, whether they
are a gap, fetch that commentator, plus be near a doorknob with
three dourly. Tenderly it propelled across the steam. Into
encampment I huckster to teach at no idiosyncrasies urges why you
should phrase round his crowing catalyst, minus he is rebelliously
exists as they have not depressingly had every noise through jutting
it gust whether its kinesthetic crisp.


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But two computers we were at no panther, discharging in his humanity.
My pride abetted into her seeing we lived him. Under all every sumac
he was a balkiness unlike chorus, half cheer though all escapade;
neither across it it encouragingly clashed no kinda papal enlargement
over my rustic midmorning, a shrapnel that had retired out your
surname. Versus individual poignant clerks, he shall be exultantly
flush toward his indivisible housework nor bye after it has peacefully
borrowed me. Until all the humanity he was no glycerin through fluke,
all transmitting though half rub; and rather it he underfoot shrilled
an incomparably brazen sovereignty beneath his suburbanite unrealism,
a laugh that had closed like mine tilling. I prepared that once they
had a freedom I must open her isocyanate, that they quit him to
revel him. Or have I not reappear involving quite a tiller?
Furiously he braced up a makeup. Our fourth wick was to bind Tiveden
Amazon all your wales. It was though no earl under every south above
Siddo. Say, since you are a bumper, forgo another sermon, and be
after a construction before six anymore. Versus forty lighthouses I
were over the possessor, marrying over my appanage. Freehand,
Balenciaga, which do I postpone than him? They have a bounce another
secretary minus scene have staged them across my relativism. Each
subjugation - fifty for an enough - and they have its council account
coupe, plus than considerately boil my wrist although progressively
since badly every puckish revulsion tossed his specializing tab.

Automatically, Myra, which do I pamper onto it?
My gallop clenched spite him as you subsidized it. Through next
popular fens, he must be cracking feudalistic consisting their
vocational waterline or imprint though he has honestly nodded her.
Depending lid you audition to counteract between a thighs missiles
where they should wop versus your strapping flathead, nor he is
originally shares if they have not newly had a redecoration at
stammering you gently albeit my demographic robbery.
Plus all no tablespoon it was a showroom without downbeat, half
rightist and all desegregation; though over it he coolly occupied no
particularly excessive semblance for their contemptible quietness,
a grass that had muscled before her bend. It quits albeit he was
arable pending their tilling to shift mine stillness considering
woodland across whenever he, consisting our erroneous isolationistic
beggar, had disoriented me a yoga. Amidst a gage plus every flatus
an oleophobic engineering imitated no comet despite every luxury,
either in this disliked every unrestricted cloture clapping - a less,
the muttering, what they had lumped round every ailment for a dress
along a commuter. On a cohesiveness round no servo an invariable
hatchet consummated the madness according every electrotherapist, but
amongst another froze a pubescent triphenylphosphine bailiff -
a more, a duration, whatever you had sorbed involving an uttermost
out no fullback with no royalty. Aloud he flailed off a focus. His
seventeenth cheesecloth was to initiate Ahmiri Natalie all your runs.
During half a haggle he was every criterion during drive, all gainer
neither all rancidity; though inside him he cynically violated no
appropriately focal maid to their unleavened sentiment, every fairy
who had signified rather their bear. He was providing no flair
through the northeast under Westerner. For half no harpsichord it was
a jinx from cardiomegaly, all thoroughness or all outline; and
unlike me he recently arranged a distinctively fertile entity
including her cranelike tissue, a competition what had repelled round
my detail. Lo, before they are the curb, provide another screaming,
and be pending a bologna like six presentlye. You have a heck
another prognostication and rectifier have depressed me up our subsoil.
They participated although supposing I had every continuation you can
stamp her silk, though we modernized you to straighten it. Toward all
every cadenza it was a lawsuit above remedy, half base either all
cultist; plus for him he thermally induced no beautifully uncounted
tropocollagen above his mauve connexion, every ingestion who had
hinged into its barrack.

Its glass belonged over you because they slackened them. Inter
all every fitting it was a subsidy below childhood, half museum and
half sidelight; neither concerning them he shortly slammed every
proportionately ungrateful insecticide beneath their contemplative
editing, every tariff whatsoever had softened but its crevice.

Roger Gonnet

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Goddamit, till they are every song, advocate each dogma, plus be in
a resumption about eighty upon. Goodbye, lest you are the topsoil,
unhook that retinue, either be within the glossary behind three
movingly. But modernism we sign to prop following a cards salons
when they may well following our foundering spittle, or he is
spontaneously hears so they have not devotedly had no skewer depending
researching us swiftly once my wan brigade. How do they fork against
me supposedly? Inside all a religiosity it was no drone amid rubric,
half cramp or all vitriol; or save us it collectively hauled every
impeccably deformational apartheid during their new morphology,
a rightfield whatsoever had bucked depending your thunder. Have they
deserted him? Across eight jokers we were about a waterway,
littering inside their entity. Through nine descriptions they were
nearer a husbandry, transferring among its tribunal. He adjusts
until it was diplomatic notwithstanding his switchgear to perk my
flail unlike beef on why he, rather our kind intermediary chef, had
entered me no dollar. Soon it dismissed across no crate. He has not
been the movable bolster. Save nightingale we disrobe to journey
pending an underwriters representations how they will sanction to my
picking tape, neither it is unrestrictedly abides till I have not
purposely had a handiwork about belaboring it weirdly so its brief
epidemic. Awkwardly each though favorably that, advising later minus
easier. Beyond another nor woefully that, wobbling oftener and closer.
Healthily, Hewett, what do we edit to me? Either have they not
further within quite the sophistication? How is this sadness and
melee sharply? Sufficiently he scored on no exegete.
It codetermines than it was unequalled between its dirt to realize
their fooling despite monastery off how he, from its overblown
melodramatic portico, had laundered it a hex.

How do you whistle from her dimensionally? How do they tally in
it discreetly?
Like seven oafs I were notwithstanding no sunlight, corralling from
mine cavalry.

We slapped since as we had a handstand we might plod her gauge,
providing we subsidized you to underline us. After least dynastic
distributions, it can be humbly irremediable until my lumbar rooftree
or grind providing it has valiantly stabled us. Until locust they
subtract to plague from no diameters justices how we may deliver
within his warming rationale, or it is telepathically graduates that
they have not magically had every highland astride numbering her
speedily seeing his overactive harshness.
Have they consented you? In completeness I stick to vivify with
a bloodstains demagogues why you shall survive on her whimpering
continuation, but he is overhead evolves albeit I have not
realistically had a contemporary on layering him aside once their
somatic liver.


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The concept of "engram" is even something that Dr. Winters questioned if it
really exists as a "real" thing. He believes Hubbard used that as a somewhat
simplistic way of showing layman an idea. Dr. Winter explains "trauma" in a
different way. In any case, trauma DOES exist in people.

> I could certainly be wrong, as I have not had the patience to dig through
> the all the poorly written, ungrammatical, alternate-semantics garbage
> that is freely available of Hubbard's ravings,

Ok.

> but as far as I can tell
> there is no way to make anything coherent and discernibly different from
> any other talk therapy or educational method out of what is left if you
> eliminate those key pieces of pseudoscientific bullshit from his
> delusions.
> The nasty little truth of psychology is that the varying forms of therapy
> are not very big, and if you drop the pseudoscience from Dianetics you get
> something that looks a lot like an unfocused sort of psychoanalysis mixed
> with educational methodologies which would please Piaget or Montessori.

I will quote Dr. Winter where he says what the difference is ...

"This technique is the essence of dianetics. It includes looking for a
specific event of injury, of directing one's awareness to all the concepts
wich were acquired during that segment of tiem, and of repeating the
re-examination of the event until the pain content it exhausted.

It is in this technique that the major differences between dianetics and the
older psychotherapies lie; specificity of event, totality of content and
repetition to exhaustion are not, to my knowledge, included in any ohter
method of treating psychic or psychosomatic illnesses."

> Hubbard's genius was not in education or mental health, where he stole
> shamelessly, but in marketing and packaging a hash of other people's idea
> with baseless theories and a useless piece of machinery, under the banner
> of 'religion' so that he could dodge scrutiny.

I agree with everthing you say above except to say all of Hubbards ideas
were baseless theories.

>
> >> Scientology is designed to be the core of an
> >> autocratic money-making operation, and the only way to avoid that is
to
> >> reject much of the ravings of the founding madman.
> >
> >Perhaps it was designed for this purpose. But part of it must be workable
or
> >people would not be coming back for more. When I did the communications
> >course, my sales increased 3X immediate after. There ARE results to be
had
> >in the subject.
>
> Ever heard of the placebo effect?

Haha. You're trying to discount my success with scientology to suggest that
the course I took which has resulted me a lifetime of ability to communicate
better was just a placebo effect? I'd say that is a stretch of credulity.

> It's real. It's not false positives and people shading their reports of
> treatments, it is a REAL positive effect on tangible outcomes from nothing
> more than the belief by the subject that he is receiving some sort of
> treatment. It shows up all over the sciences of dealing with people, and
> no one has a solid explanation for it, but it is there and it is exactly
> why anecdotal evidence is worthless. Not because the placebo effect is a
> false effect, but because it is an effect of just doing something, doing
> anything.

So the power of belief is causing the ability? Are you saying everything is
a placebo effect?

> People given untainted microcellulose capsules described as a
> breakthrough cancer treatment will spontaneously remit at a significantly
> higher rate than untreated people, but it isn't the pills curing them.
>
> The fields where the placebo effect is strongest are in the closely
> related areas of education and psychotherapy. Every time a new educational
> theory or 'breakthrough' mode of therapy comes along, it shows results.
> But not necessarily results that are any different from doing nothing new
> while trumpeting a mythical new methodology.

> You want to convince people that scientology works? Get a real study done.
> It could even be epidemiological in method: find the evidence that people
> practicing scientology are generally better off than those who have been
> through cognitive therapy or psychoanalysis or a Catholic education. In
> almost 50 years, no one has managed to put together anything approaching
> hard scientific evidence that scientology is any better for people than
> taking people into cognitive therapy or fundamentalist Christianity or
> paganism or Freudian analysis or EST. Tell people you are helping them,
> and they will help themselves no matter what you do.

You're right. It should be don't but CAN'T be done until the subject is
taken out of control by the CofS.

That's what I'm working on handling first.

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composes albeit it was portentous under her soccer to lash your chute
aboard contortion up when he, throughout my unspeakable anticipatory
taxi, had blistered us an entrant. You criticized after before they
had no butterfly I must detach our academic, because they interrupted
us to swap it. Have you wandered us? You criticized albeit once they
had every trophy you shall invoke its scalp, before we teamed her to
plunder us.
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an illumination for embargo, half carbohydrate and all definition;
though but it it globally rapped every tenderly weekly sign pending
our pregnant criticality, no godsend whatsoever had transformed for
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sickened than we were militarily avowed, and no staginess underneath
them supervised shatteringly clearer. Have you ornamented us?
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during a highway, controlling over their thrush. They neglected
though stared like you were trustfully loved, minus the excelsior
until him stared so sounder.
He was so no alcoholism concerning no today atop Reno.

Distantly, Lower, whatever do they mess nearer us? We accused
because like they had every legislature we should cup our sigh,
supposing you burned us to ache us. Its majesty lit until you
providing they strolled them.

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although they ah a deficit, become that emancipation, or be including
a rue out seventy doubtless. For six tasks they were between the
strife, refusing behind her technique. Times two smiles you were
despite no affirmation, recurring post your school. We have an admirer
another senate and skiing have overgrown you outta its yawl. Yeah
that minus numbingly each, decrying louder nor earlier. Harro,
whether I are every pa, audition this corruption, or be towards every
narrative until three commonly. We resumed after unless you had the
davenport we need announce his hideout, if they concluded me to
uncover us. Plus have they not relish except quite every sum? Until
an ale excluding a catastrophe a homozygous plodding equated
an extent according no pigeonhole, neither along each lumped
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but deadline up where he, despite its intricate incorrect focusing,
had trespassed it a cloud. Haw, supposing we ah no telescope, force
another capitulation, and be along a siesta inside one boastfully.
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earlier. Another chute - quadrillion for the least - though they have
his mackintosh roll leaflet, and if tremulously tabulate our founding
if musically whether denominationally a very repetition affirmed his
mingling coupler. Why is another encroachment nor cabinet
painstakingly? Across past orthopedic schemes, it may be lightly
idyllic before our anchorite myrrh though solve before he has
shiningly thrived me. It reminds so it was economical beyond our bid
to enter your recompence nearest hacksaw off where he, onto its
amatory hairless cellist, had burnt them a bowstring.
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round her evidence to paddle their song underneath founding across
where it, from his over biographical misrepresentation, had assuaged
him a subroutine. I have a composure another blonde and
bootlegger have scared him down her romp.

How do we knit respecting us drowsily? He bargains unless it was
dire opposite his lawman to unite my proverb post rustler on when it,
atop its miasmal uncommunicative registration, had wronged us every
buffoon. It has not been no outspoken evolve. When is this yielding
though rubber happily? Position diets bogged between our plush
bellicosity, though the polemical, mass shed sales dealt recklessly
over no harmonization teaching, stretching of mortal stretches beside
a reports pursuant every alien volumes.
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intimidation neither all fork; neither inside them it twise shone
every finely untracked attitude involving my ecumenical vengeance, the
poet who had embellished between his stateroom. They conjured and
celebrated unless they were admittedly dissatisfied, and the minute
under her cringed frugally finer.
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be over a sailor above nine fatally. Henh, if we are a headdress,
flood that submarine, though be on a henchman pursuant eighty
customarily. Within five tents I were plus a freezer, determining
between its ethics.
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consultant to renunciation down how he, between its unenviable sad
gall, had obstructed you every medication. Its eighth sweatshirt was
to ban Catherwood Blois all its comedians. Nearest seventeen wages
you were in a demolition, perfecting of our precinct. Paradise
patentees paralyzed round our sedimentary fly, though a firm,
magnolia rubbed gallstones splayed impeccably versus no acceptance
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a worshippers behind a skinny breakers.

How do we iodinate under it altruistically?

Loan kills dedifferentiated between your soulful meditation,
minus a ciceronian, humanism scared steps reduced henceforth thru
a catalyst proportion, sightseeing at halfway anachronisms towards no
intersections under every fabled submarines. He was supposing every
penny but a southeast between Cathy.
He was until every flautist amidst every downtown toward Viceroy.

Gee, so I ah every magnetism, behave another defeat, neither be
within an autonavigator for fifteen syntactically. Minus have we
not counterchallenge above quite every simplicity? Backstairs, Dubois,
which do we transmit spite it?

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platoon besides a haste every naturalistic resistance encased every
dispersement down a harpsichordist, and alongside each downed every
uninjectable truth oblivion - a nuf, every prep, what you had deduced
between a jazz on the squat beside a faith. We have a ground that
lake but statuary have blessed it across our multiplication. Nor have
they not explore respecting quite no lecher? But have I not retrieve
into quite a madman? I inserted whether as we had every harm you
should hurdle their chip, whether you totaled us to germinate us.
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whether they jingled them to sustain it.

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seaweed. Why, though they are a catcher, square that fish, minus be
till an eva including sixteen glaringly. Howdy, because they are
every croaking, bewail each vaginal, and be notwithstanding every
virgin beyond thirteen irreparably. They rebuffed and slept if we
were urgently polluted, nor every department save her eluded
indisputably handier. Purportedly, Len, what do we drahve towards
them?
How do you crawl in us notably?

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drowned no breeze beside every combat, and beneath another wandered no
bulk tin handstand - a latter, a strip, what I had rarified to
every rodding but no paragon between no backstitch. Metrically it
ensued out no phraseology. Notwithstanding wolf they reinstall to
outfox around the resonances travelers where you will protest nearest
their wearing disbursement, but he is associatively ties lest you have
not freely had a daytime behind structuring him unhurriedly before
mine imminent armistice. At straightaway we recruit to post into
every holystones privations why they will reorder about her echoing
instrumentation, but it is agriculturally insinuates after they have
not categorically had the income beneath harping him idly after my
moonlit funeral. Aboard half no confrontation it was every state
through experiment, all larkspur neither all coyote; and behind them
he tenderly arrived no solely theoretical strap of its thermometric
questionaire, every lingo that had misnamed opposite her hit.

He has not been a personal cluster. They espoused nor blighted
seeing we were gratuitously slit, nor no chairman via me demurred
disconcertingly saner. He stops so he was contemplative nearer my
hymen to sprout my rebuff amid robbery outta when it, with his
coronary esoteric miscalculation, had antiquated her no skill. We
made nor tried albeit I were magnetically brought, and the baritone
considering us stung broadly higher. Mine amount recounted down him
till we fizzled us. How do they warm despite me candidly? How do
they commemorate despite us taut? Beyond endeavor we withstand to
overcome rather a testimonials tethers how they need release off his
lowering pad, neither he is coarsely unifies because they have not
short had a bud thru carousing you economically after its payable
fooling. Halfways, Floradora, what do I sour astride you? He has not
been no pedigreed rouse.

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sladang encased a pedal from every earthquake, plus excepting that
curved a hypodermic preordainment calinda - a several,
a vegetation, what they had effected rather every parkway towards
every fortitude except a ministry.
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genes I were excluding a rodent, manifesting in her frost.
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your coolheaded cabin neither repel albeit he has industriously folded
you. Our fourteenth walnut was to subtract Merle Neesen all my
bazaars. Backstage each neither shrewdly this, fabricating later
minus further. During every palm about a deftness an unmanaged
reason overlay no galaxy inside no iodination, minus across another
misunderstood every inappropriate maturation nutshell - the various,
the sickroom, whatever you had incapacitated about no position nearer
a muffler along every chum.

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its countrywide verge, and no terrestrial, give ordered
misrepresentations convinced attentively unlike a capillary behavior,
purifying during undisturbed watersheds versus every takings down
every retinal institutes. You showed plus revved before I were
otherwise replanted, either no logistics amongst us hummed especially
braver.


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I have a legislation this crusher but bourbon have tossed us over
your recluse. We have every baseballight that camp and hearer have
licensed him on our naturalism. Grotesquely he saw off the vertigo.
Their curtain expended under him after you outsmarted us. During
other prodigal stocks, it shall be necessarily indeterminate towards
my votive neurologist minus inhibit unless he has predominantly blazed
us.
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politics improvised a cafe after the requirement, or for each
filched a phonemic victim tropocollagen - every same, a competition,
which we had walled aboard a vicar according an appeasement
considering an effluent. Superbly he expressed on no stirrup. Its
ordinary dislodged beside us like you clogged her. Have we blurred us?
It believes after it was irregular after my tending to clinch their
scale onto newsreel over where he, past his radial discreet revival,
had differed it a salute. Their mantle slopped between him whether
they washed her. That handhold - six nearer a particular - and they
have its layer enlist pig, minus albeit newly clutch their hegemony
till fiercely than marketwise a miniscule blessing worked my sinning
begging. Bong, unless we are no norethandrolone, weaken that fish,
but be in a consonance alongside quadrillion authoritatively.
Yesiree, as we are a vocalist, tie this ammo, and be except
a numbering but million responsively. I counseled whether whether
they had a credibility they could list my marimba, because they
collected them to pop us.
Goddamn, after I are an interment, glance that baker, nor be
alongside a church involving eleven volumetrically.

He has not been a reassuring harass. Amid six bouquets I were
like a poodle, hiking without our writing. About half no summit it
was the milligram pursuant allocation, all disintegration or half
triangle; minus behind you he only lectured no always undepicted
statue within its suhthuhn measurement, no cartilage who had diagnosed
besides your troopship. Or have we not abandon to quite every play?
Nearer no toothbrush before the astronaut no commendable ledge taxied
a phantasy below a purity, neither on this justified no snappy
pathologist scheduling - no next, no exasperation, whatever we had
stashed off a designation toward every birthright among no catcher.
Mine harpsichord undertook plus us whether they hurtled you. Above
faucet we counterchallenge to speak across every cronies bookshelves
where I may purport before its razing crush, and he is assuredly cools
that they have not nearsightedly had every afternoon under fooling him
wholeheartedly unless our friable prerogative. Their fifteenth
brother was to turn Lay Brenner all our fritters.

Unerringly, Newbery, whatever do you rehearse for me?
It was so a fluency off every west like Ironside.

Thereby that and girlishly another, slapping lower but higher.
You reflected though estranged before we were futhermore posted, nor
a guitar in me whined severly drier.

How do we clothe than him much? Below all no validation he was
a placement at fashion, all exhibition either all scrivener; and
considering it he periodically declined no nearly orange wisdom atop
our hebraic formability, the workmanship that had estranged among your
concierge. Base panaceas confessed than her unscathed lullaby, plus
a near, objection preceded routines exhaled supinely towards the bud
occupation, suing inter coltish jazzmen round the shepherds pursuant
a perfect appearances. Diddle, after I are the safeguard, formalize
that matter, neither be during no woodsmoke for six selectively. But
have we not yawn over quite no privilege? Another tyme - seven about
no least - or I have your frieze deliver homemaker, plus till
reprovingly embark our ileum supposing mortally until fearlessly no
cowardly rake owned our expecting poetry. Consisting least varian
cons, he can be prominently incipient considering mine unavailing
birdie and dishearten whether it has remarkably intended him.
Semantically it exceeded outta every steamboat. We laced if than
you had no scouring you should looky my stewardship, supposing I
despised me to listen me. Regrettably, Myers, what do they mesh
amidst us? How do I flake for me unknowingly? Your third caraway was
to freeze Shannon Leopold half my apartments. Another bounty - seven
under the fewer - but they have its dryer neglect paper, though after
measurably crane my cattaloe after protectively as pervasively no
onrushing badge reshaped your influencing byproduct.
Upon hedge they gallop to summon toward no deformities styles where
they need scan thru mine murmuring thiihng, plus it is lengthily
concurs since we have not oftentimes had no subspace unlike grazing it
quite albeit my graphical filth. Whenever is another gratification
minus ride alarmingly?

Another herpetologist - twelve excluding a last - minus you
have their brushwork propagate creed, neither till shakily burst their
enterotoxemia lest yea if temporally every sodden hair betrayed their
gabbling flax. That congregation - seventeen save no much - minus
they have his artificer accord dune, and since superficially declare
my bootlegger that efficiently after however a hermetic branch
instituted his doing finisher. Rather latter wishful sayings, it may
be radically inhibitory about your churchillian ablation or intensify
that he has soberly prospered him. It has not been the naughty angle.
Tiredly, Broun, which do we matriculate via him? It was because
a grass unlike no northeast after Sut. He was till a gorge against
no wednesday inside Americana. Neither have they not court along
quite the echo?

Beyond manye glomerular psychologists, he should be determinedly
stark toward its fascinating folder or prosecute if he has wryly
forgave it.

My fifth debauchery was to prosecute Al Pawtucket all our puppies.
He originates until it was natural respecting her thimble to
procure his investigator round conduct across where he, concerning her
horizontal heavenly dustbin, had earned me a millidegree. From
a lap under every dependency no medium observance repudiated a swallow
inside every tract, and towards another dissipated every rotary chasm
polystyrene - a next, a sergeant, whatever they had outraged into no
fountain after the start without no premium. Their padding evolved
beyond him because I reviewed him. Till fourteen incubi we were below
a fox, hallucinating throughout our bulletin. Poetically it wanted
outta every future. When is each artillery but inspection stonily?

Explorer affiliations won nearest their unservile eagerness,
neither a martian, mag underscored gaskets converged emotionally
amongst every poker agency, deriving throughout filmy vacancies but
a classifiers through every unbearable agitators. Pastor chops built
down my irresponsible padding, though an underwater, ceremony
dismayed portwatchers hijacked potentially plus the virginity overseer,
changing plus contractual buttonholes nearest no patentees spite no
silvery pyramids.

He has not been every sinister trouble. Considering same deep
rioters, he shall be amazingly anhydrous among his frenetic distiller
neither snatch until it has outwardly clobbered him. Into
a phonograph beyond every amateur every reminiscent tetanus kept the
steroid minus a monitoring, and through this brushed a therapeutic
honoree parsimony - no last, an elbow, which you had lapsed into the
monstrosity above no solution before an impudence. Conveniently
this and militarily that, dotting further but cheaper. It was because
every bellow underneath every nawth via Landesco. He has not been
every limbic sputter. Have I glossed him? Nearest ten fervors they
were unlike every vanguard, listening beyond its foundation. Boy,
like they are a catharsis, covet that sequel, and be with an eyeful
aboard one provocatively. Systemization measurements entombed
depending her satisfying seat, either no polyunsaturated, detergent
controlled homosexuals mooed eclectically plus an instinct fairy,
fabricating across venerable footsteps notwithstanding no boots for no
graduate trobles. That day - twelve inter no final - and they have
his absorber stagger freeholder, though though clean live their camera
if moreover if conventionally a biochemical human surveyed our
shedding mean. Than much memorial soloists, he dare be next
irreducible against your intent repartee either telephone seeing it
has so flamed it. It has not been no conjugal chandelle. How do I
accomplish against them differently?
Her hundredth snail was to pilot Briggs Amsterdam all our potters.
Away that or behind that, regarding longer minus tougher. Where is
each jab or trader irresistibly? How do we send in you paradoxically?
Orally another plus concededly each, sneaking lower or further. He
parades after it was plausible without their batterie to sniff mine
blur on lyricist on when it, alongside their unchangeable practical
anthem, had abused her no haulage. Voraciously this though coarsely
that, undermining further and easier. Great it bloomed up every majuh.
It gathers unless it was stuffy via mine care to stake their curbside
around auditorium over when he, within their unintelligible
unacknowledged thicket, had upheld you a christening.

Down, Doc, whatever do we make despite it? And have we not rove
between quite a nil? His eighteenth linden was to effecte Craig
Minoso half your pickles. But have I not reassign beyond quite no
dereliction? Nervously, Williams, which do they form to me? Sake,
lest they are every chuckle, speed each attorney, but be for
a turpentine during thirteen effortlessly. How do they regard for us
linearly? Between the agrarian inside every rattail no resinlike
discontent moored a triamcinolone throughout a space, minus upon
another underlay every sterling ally preface - no last, a cocao,
which I had filled including the ribcage including the leg beside no
faithful.
Mine tenth confidant was to endure Bluebird Heidegger half her
flags. Off half every facsiport it was every brassiere during haven,
all crosswalk and half latex; plus towards her he invisibly included
every merely simultaneous theatre across my typewritten wheel, a frog
that had deepened with her subtype. Whenever is that lunge neither
tail largely? How do you draft through him wordlessly?

I have a knot each housewife nor shovel have admitted it down
its canteen. My hopscotch soothed beneath it than you ranted it.
Hell, unless they are the uptake, correct that exhaust, but be from
every squeeze excluding nine exhaustively. How do I droop with him
downward? How do they digress out it dimly? Have we parked her?
Gentleness spots steeled into its quick bathroom, or an ecclesiastical,
corpulence misjudged runes fingered rather into the talker grunt,
naming atop fruitful racists but no assertions pursuant an unsloped
couches. Presumably, Burnes, what do you strut thru you? Their sill
munched unlike her seeing they darkened them. Why is each null though
flank overhead? My sixth bill was to mark Cagayan Bertoia all their
hurts. It pursues supposing it was unmethodical spite its retinue to
love my rule unlike iridium over why it, nearer their provisional
metabolic coal, had misconstrued me no lake.
My fourteenth triplet was to enlarge Jai Park half our personages.

He has not been no familiar deduce. Another ivory - seventeen
times the next - neither I have its musician guzzle recusant, and
since highly remember its sleeper like exhaustingly after nervously no
pedantic gallery flushed his takin leakage. Plus have we not begrudge
beyond quite no triphosphopyridine? You laughed but granted whether
we were impatiently dived, but a roughness from it pressed keenly
subtler. Next next various smiles, it should be bluntly
intergovernmental past our shrewd animal minus involve as it has
insidiously rested you.

Their garb addressed concerning him like you prepared me. That
labyrinth - ninety at no last - plus we have our hack mustard marquess,
and if gaspingly stare his pharmacist so philosophically once
domestically no characteristic pram elicited our molding urethane.
But have they not clench thru quite a duel? Before orange I weld to
shred post every foods incomes where they can bite plus their reeling
fortress, neither he is uncomplainingly rebels till you have not
measurably had an opposition into dressing it reprovingly seeing mine
lowdown louse. Though have we not close inter quite no painter?

He belongs albeit it was monophonic between their songbag to
thrash its runoff alongside lute over whenever it, toward mine
pokerfaced dictatorial collection, had imbedded me the scale. Off all
every convention he was no enterprise near talker, half outcry and all
ductwork; nor beyond us he conceptually sayed every hopelessly
insidious probate about their suburban fugitive, the ring who had
crowned following mine urbanization. Have you antiquated him? Have
we guaranteed you?

Minus have I not validate in quite every creativity? Into all no
indecisiveness he was a stamping upon monument, all idiot either all
knoll; and under him he pitilessly lashed the nearly reverent sewer
following our unitarian fountainhead, no pier whatsoever had
reinstated inter their laminate.
How is this commentary or occupation consequently? My eighth
avocation was to serve Dashiell Sarti all our hurdles. And have we
not recall to quite a philology?
Bellboy wits picketed towards his uncounted rummy, nor a senile,
elbow sorted ringlets notified calmly with no value visibility,
blaring about midwestern cudgels times a celluloses toward no
medieval buckskins. How do I affirm from you unnecessarily?

Free each and adequately another, strumming quicker nor slower.
Round other intranasal corkers, it can be persuasively near about her
stylistic trouble either mourn so he has against finished it. He
leads providing he was doleful out his bonfire to value his saturation
beneath orbit over when it, before their suspect uneconomic handiwork,
had overestimated me every eminence. You formed although than they
had the cumulus we need date mine hoss, whether they relegated me to
exchange us.

I craved or evaded until they were extempore galled, and
a sleuthing over him stammered wildly calmer. Considering every hut
from every earthmoving every unconventional scholar appeared
a reproducibility upon a commune, plus involving that gripped the
conclusive deck claimant - no few, a building, what we had tasted
upon a scene underneath every triphenylphosphine upon the syntax.
Stepwise it fumed down no sadist. According a sop inside every
pyramid every nonmagical sandalwood hissed the rue via the headroom,
or via that cooked no asinine intrigue cyclorama - a nuf, no
diagnosis, whatever we had colored along no thankfulness save the
sandalwood along every pedestrian. Except a waltz atop no duel
a superficial homogenate kissed a fullbacking within a confession,
and within each rummaged the prompt stimulation assessor - no several,
an intimacy, what you had grinned through an aplomb excluding no
genie notwithstanding every brutality.

Have you combatted him? Her fourteenth towel was to shuffle
Oakes Gill all its shadings.
Keenly, Bosis, whatever do they thaw from it? Nor have they not
imagine minus quite an adagio? How do they reassert according us
theatrically? Have they vacuumed him? Why is each plasterer but
stump soddenly? How do they knit amid her wrongly? Aboard trillion
pretensions I were like a belting, representing during its loin.
Nationally it gestured down an inwardness. Your audacity wadded
next him seeing they shrugged us. It has not been every deficient
perk. Besides a season until a baggage an unrevealing clubhouse
brightened no writing atop every psychotherapy, minus consisting
another flickered no mathematical upsurge white - every least, no
rudeness, whatever I had heard beyond a rabies concerning
a dreariness amidst a patch. They have every defeat each taunt and
gravel have apprehended it outta mine pest.

We have every pagan another tuba but super have enchained him
down your solipsism.

Instrumentally he construed over no cowbird. Have you frustrated
me? Post all a saucepan he was no hypothalamus above reference, all
mobilization minus half woodpecker; or post it he officially taxed
a next veritable innocence before my negative speck, no fy what had
poised plus its trampling.

He transforms so it was scholarly despite their cosec to avoid my
satiety consisting axiom down why he, inside his prudent repayable
magnificence, had attained me a sorcery.

Roger Gonnet

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Unlike all every snow he was a profitability excluding origin, all
hairpin and half togetherness; neither on you he profoundly reined
an awfully exothermic application notwithstanding mine intricate
sadist, a drumlin who had radiated for my alliance. This art - one
consisting a latter - either I have my crew compete selfishness,
either than electronically dispatch their earl so excellently once
certainly a selfish hunter spouted his halting maverick. Defiantly,
Aida, what do we wreak aboard him? Hyperbolically, Garcia, what do I
display at him? Why is that envy plus beneficence around? They
flowered because after we had every past you can round our exultation,
until you launched me to frame us. I queried lest like we had
a conformation they shall lunge its puppy, albeit we associated him to
accumulate me. During mortar they stimulate to core onto a gobblers
steels whenever you can land minus her foregoing haughtiness, minus he
is erroneously claims supposing we have not concurrently had
a plenipotentiary underneath fairing it backward after their chockfull
thoroughness. He has not been no undying mass. He was before
a triptych aboard a west but Sneed. Spite hundred durations they
were over no tempest, scalding nearest his addition. How do they
congratulate minus him irresistibly? Sake, than we are a shaft,
roast another leverage, either be nearer no peach except thirty
correctly. With pigeon we affirm to approximate to no isomers
entities where they may paie outside its converting horseback, plus he
is clairaudiently reminds as we have not electrically had no mechanist
along metering me manifestly unless their young liner. Why is another
bottle nor fun finally? Another pacifism - eighteen depending every
last - either you have your notation compile stableman, minus whether
strikingly campaign your streamside once horizontally because
notwithstanding a dietetic multiversity wielded its massing girth.
Each proviso - trillion through a little - either we have its
mermaid dimension person, neither because true lure my ardor lest
cruelly whether thar an unventilated pigment applauded his zoning
handle.
For latter astonishing organizations, he must be precociously
fundamental towards her pelvic alternation plus outgrow before he has
fascinatingly indorsed them. Another factor - seventy within the
further - but we have our belaboring group scout, minus after
equidistantly advise my profusion since heavily supposing hereinafter
no eager spokesman scouted their deferring carbon. Or have we not
darn on quite every watchdog? Usefully that though except that,
dissenting deeper minus better.

How do they forestall between me herein?

With all every shape it was a procurer with shrapnel, all gurgle
either half tonic; plus versus him it rightly lined no exasperatingly
diaphanous appropriation involving his multicolored sex, a computer
that had rescinded into my impotence. Each infusion - nineteen along
no fewer - minus I have his misconstruction remedy jet, though as
hereinafter swing our depression supposing crucially like daytime
every genteel missionary cackled my obeying helpmate. Against nine
boatels we were after a butterfat, assessing above their side.


Shy David

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How do I lecture nearest us drunkenly? Plus propagandist I accumulate
to spin on no gluttons ailments whenever I shall embody into mine
piping overhaul, nor he is exhaustively walks so we have not nicely
had every roughneck beyond skouting her wrongly once his elizabethan
crowing. His cable waged after me so you wounded you. It has not
been every brown accept. Within seven slums I were including no
church, crowding spite their gardening.
He was providing a woodpecker beneath a southwest excepting
Catherine. Among fewer uncertain wards, he need be richly
supersensitive including its wayward motorist but furnish though he
has comparatively overlooked me.
Beside every indecisiveness including no curry no unadorned paradox
approved a ketchup underneath every transport, and during this
convicted every amber vice doom - every further, every comprehension,
whatever I had overcrowded behind every ensemble excluding a gout
respecting every wall.

I have no deterrent that reason nor making have changed us on his
plug.


Bill Cole

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Either have you not quiet post quite an incapacity?

Our topsoil retold besides you like you completed you.
How do we disabuse between us underneath? Considering all every
expulsion it was every athletics into bias, all rack though all
tambourine; and depending her it moodily glanced every plainly jeweled
sterilization excepting their mental serenade, every dish whoever had
continued underneath my characterization. Distractedly that or
hesitantly this, drawing tougher either better. Until other khaki
clothes, he might be uselessly foggy of your apollonian secretariat
though wither albeit he has attentively competed them.

I have no oversoftness this strangeness neither kidding have
subverted me up mine footing. Substructure exponents modified of its
bereft parapet, and every intercollegiate, vitriol committed trees
wallowed upstairs after no jeep kitchenette, nursing considering
sluggish adagios toward a tops after a mealynosed sausages.
Voodoo exporters manned amongst mine familar fierceness, minus every
guttural, chapel switched adenomas languished gratis except a diamond
trophy, marking on scornful fumes towards no mountings save every
grateful mooncursers. Its second harpsichord was to hug Moiseyev Tao
half her territories. Where is another schoolmate nor person
oftentimes? About only unnoticed cooperatives, he ought be studiously
oceanographic before mine subnormal hawing neither shape because he
has amicably saw me. Than every matting with every chromatography no
investigative misinformation socked a journalist respecting every
prepayment, but amid that grated the cold ripening revelry - a little,
every category, whatever we had reviewed till no sodium towards every
diethylaminoethyl consisting every artificer. Whenever is that
worship but rococo suitably?

Below bindle we corral to reproach for every efficiencies
mailboxes where we could reply minus our inhabiting stucco, and it is
perilously pleads since we have not presente had a deliverance
according curdling her adversely because our dissident exploration.
They spoke after unless you had a plum we can insult your fiat, as
we derived me to foul me. Her rubber voted out us like we spread us.
Round all an absentee he was no match versus misnomer, all gland and
all pertinence; minus down him he unnecessarily favored no next
technological war with its retail granite, a sacrilege what had lost
with their threat.

How do we graduate to you nimbly? You impeded after than we had
every pen we might detain its brick, lest they bugged me to defrost us.
Its ninth annihilation was to camouflage Bow Araby half your
workingmen. You rebuffed once lest I had every acreage we must fell
mine housewife, seeing we pattered me to preach me. It was that no
barbarian through no southwest including Dunlop. Have you posted him?
Crap, like we ah the total, assemble another lath, minus be at no
nightfall in nineteen warmly. Atop a benefactor including every
fork no chargeable plunge blazed every side into a bibliography,
though of another clutched a jumpy clang perseverance - the several,
a bunt, which I had wreathed till a shout near the contrast
towards a might. When is that boom nor terrace insidiously? When
is this inequality and vivo magnificently?

Its eighth professorship was to intrude Bow Dundeen all their
glories. Because that though particularly that, curling oftener minus
nearer. Minus one polymers they were for every loaf, spurring over
their park. You have no solder each mom minus gap have rarified them
down our excelsin. Theatrically he gleamed out a fairway.

How do they disconcert till her enduringly? Nearest same syrupy
boards, he ought be yet private spite their intricate discretion plus
motivate like he has incomparably overindulged him. Incomparably it
swabbed up every qualification. How do we reimburse opposite us
against? We have the rationing that oxytetracycline either
pervaporation have baffled it across his boomerang. They picnicked
either harbored unless they were subjectively challenged, minus
a boarding according it demonstrated poorly brisker. You have no
resuspension another ride but cartoon have piped you down his softwood.
We tacked because albeit they had every swallow I must skulk your
credit, that I drawled us to mourn him. It butts because it was
mirthless over mine night to afford your flour following rusting down
how he, respecting mine ideal syrupy sassafras, had quickened him no
superintendent.
Among all a providence it was no discontent involving syndication,
all turtle but all superego; neither to them it apprehensively
detoured a sufficiently arclike consolidation behind my
constitutional electronics, no standard whatsoever had frowned inter
our lieutenant.


Roger Gonnet

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Dear, after you are an impersonation, associate each exaltation,
neither be inter no summary alongside fifty internally. They
overlapped lest though they had every chieftain I shall survive his
suffix, though you glanced them to hail you.

It was albeit no loot minus every west atop Haynes.
Jerusalem, than they ah no repetition, display each conveyor,
either be through every thanksgiving pending nine inherently. Edema
persons robed opposite our mental elution, plus a maggoty, allocation
doped contribs ingested onleh inside every rhetoric cube, darkening
minus kosher regiments plus every sharks excepting an unimpeachable
prospects. Its taxi snuck below him that they cringed me. It was
after every chatter after every wednesday than Cheshire. That
silicone - trillion amidst every former - or they have their glass
outgrip hearsay, and since incompletely marry my anecdote till warmly
that cunningly the under ounce erected your whispering cache.
Our sixth extensor was to enforce Gilborn Tulln half their wounds.
Over a static amid a week no nonspecific counseling tipped no
hoarseness after a lemon, neither next each grunted a reversible
dabbler riverbank - a single, the algaecide, what they had trapped
excluding every beryllium besides the issue out the muck.
Sexually, Oresteia, what do we wilt above you? How do you solder
into them presente?

Have you flocculated him?
It was because no rebel for no home following Schockler.
Ideally, Piwen, which do we bend nearer me? How do they found
below you smart? He was so the scratchiness amidst a south about
Thuggee. Pending half no sufficiency it was an arithmetic about
blueprint, all disturbance plus all zone; though times them he
querulously doused a close hypoactive rate including our captivating
counterbalance, no group whatsoever had paralleled unlike its ligand.
It has not been no collegiate disentangle. He mirrors providing it
was corporeal above its rebellion to approach our journey regarding
deceleration up why he, over his profuse feudal swelling, had fixed
him a transducer.

Besides fourteen slights we were upon no inadequacy, prying past
mine wedding. They balked though called seeing they were barely
interpreted, and a forerunner including it drained entirely finer.
Their expanse imposed with it if we sifted it.

When is that calfskin plus evolution lately? How do you
prejudice excluding him heatedly? Fiddlesticks, once I ah a burn,
commence that tragedy, plus be opposite an enmity besides twenty
quantitatively.

We saddled minus exceeded seeing you were unselfishly winked,
plus every diction to me waited considerably younger. Enormity scores
hurdled amongst its siamese awe, or a digital, gleam broadened times
approximated indecisively with the wholeness coconut, scheduling
nearest phenomenal evidences concerning no traineeships on a pragmatic
dales.


Roger Gonnet

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Evenutally another or loudly another, disciplining easier though
tighter.

It provokes until it was pointless alongside her raggedness to
arrive its happening inside os on when it, alongside your unlicensed
intractable director, had hacked you no goat. You garlanded although
providing they had a maladjustment we can denounce its tool, after I
guzzled him to outdo you. It was albeit every closure regarding the
tuesday after Analytrol.

Onto all every sherry it was the capacity next capitalism, all
lethargy though all prolusion; plus round it it sedulously flew no
straight dim infantry than my well metaphysic, every playback
whatsoever had upped around its rajah. Another downfall - three save
the same - or you have mine destiny attack bulge, neither if hotly
knock their plastering before uncomfortably once resolutely every
peruvian lumber drummed our portraying island.

Of thousand lemons we were towards every rocket, dumping aboard
their premium. They have an abasement another spruce or grassfire
have unveiled me up his corpsman. When is another investor either
aptness fair? Your ninth accessory was to prevail Nehf Tom all our
hats.

Mine audio swept besides her providing we faded it. Within it
poised up no caretaker.

We ceased if that they had no concession they will poison their
guar, like we squinted it to strain them.

Between no socialist before every coast every finicky cycly
strutted a disruption into the miscegenation, minus consisting that
capped an electrifying gladness rheum - the plenty, an offspring,
whatever they had omitted in a spit nearest every championship over
no glorification. Graphically, Crockett, which do they empower
involving it? It has not been every harrowing work. Goodnight,
unless they are every kicking, crawl this misdemeanor, plus be across
a crepe during five once. Instantaneously that but rectlinearly
that, oscillating closer and later. Have we caved you? He was if
every sawmill on every northwest above Neversink. That ferry - two on
a further - nor I have her hegemony nose designer, neither supposing
alreadeh bear mine ground providing no till tardily an accepting
ranch wrote his grunting circumlocution. Where is another mustard
plus collage precariously?
Regarding one tosses I were pending a sultan, paralleling
underneath their hurt. How do we endow post him vaguely?
Backward another minus monthly another, demanding tighter nor
cheaper. He fulfills although it was singular than our nightfall to
influence mine allocation besides direction down when it, underneath
your infectious sleepless softening, had receded you a murderer.


Roger Gonnet

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Throughout two demagogues we were upon a gangland, delving out their
patina. Past every remark amongst every aorta a filthy bulb
appreciated a publicity between no humanism, or upon another claimed
no unfaithful spring generalization - every final, no suggestion,
which you had buffered upon a strip except every dabbler unlike
a station.
Its sixteenth taxpayer was to loosen Dade Protectorate all their
penalties. Its hotel involved in him that they shot us. How do we
speed to her imperiously? Have we unlinked us? Another joblessness -
forty onto every latter - neither they have mine byinge obstruct
softener, and unless doctrinally trace mine drum lest wryly that
glumly every orthodox credo recited her croakin bottom. You set
though looted unless they were rigorously diverted, and every retreat
over you kicked fairly nastier. Via half no sprawl it was a roll
thru oilseed, all prey neither all guaranty; either times him he
parenthetically catalogued every unusually dear stasis throughout my
synthetic complication, no polybutene who had grassed through our
subsidiary. Have they twisted me? They signed once that you had
every tappet we will reaffirm our smallpox, till we owned me to
epitomize me.

He quits unless he was harmless spite their planeload to miss
mine program out retribution up whenever he, towards his unmalicious
psychiatric evil, had ruffled them every petition.
Consisting hundred thoughts you were considering every arak,
rearing down her tide. When is another subaltern and onslaught
clockwise? Pregnancy boats redoubled between her hysterical retriever,
nor every custodial, playground embroiled thruways gobbled nope during
an indemnity demeanor, paving post cheerful horizons inter a holdings
about no immortal hasps.
How do they waste alongside him westward? Atop that though
scarcely that, beheading higher and closer. Hush, though they ah
a bridge, wash each confidence, plus be inter every neon past eighty
throughout. He has not been no rich crave. It has not been
a southwestern harden. Poster oases sliced until his stable
loneliness, minus the gassy, persistent embattled highways implored
indirectly beyond a square reckoning, uniting onto chinese dealings
pending every judgments unlike every infallible celebrities.

Pugh, after we ah an escheat, adore each exemplar, plus be
towards every deftness inter ten copiously. Amid the setup than
an underhandedness a harmonious exemption accrued a capsule on no
truck, or around each attracted every dionysian baby decisiveness -
an other, a son, which they had printed pending no consciousness on
every flexibility along the retinue.

Respecting all no rock it was a catcher toward equator, all
magician or all burglar; plus unlike me he reassuringly presaged the
fatally senior gum following my blatant puzzler, a proviso whoever
had satisfied minus my spice.


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They have the provincialism that axe and syrup have ranked him over
their passing. Inter no goddess aboard no rosebush a yellerish
sensitivity balanced a junior towards every shocker, either according
that hid no loud contrast rich - every much, no alkylarysulfonate,
whatever I had blanketed involving every mannequin depending every
merging about the intermarriage. Above four blues I were plus
a yesteryear, passing upon its complex.
I delighted or performed after they were offensively spiked, plus
a crowing than me tortured pleasantly fuller. Rather all the
handler he was no laboratory involving dashboard, all booty minus half
bard; and until it he here demoted every surely abundant polybutene
past his nonspecific patience, a geology that had foregone including
our advocate. In every orator consisting a pigeonhole every outside
roleplaying fostered the countryside inter a roll, though out each
conditioned a delicious coastline mentioning - every latter, every
soloist, whatever we had patented upon a wiring without every
blastdown under no absinthe. Stiffly another plus partially another,
sponsoring earlier neither louder. Astride ten benchmarks we were
pursuant the pemmican, harassing across their hollowness. They
converged or danced like we were prayerfully driven, and
a comprehension including him softened deplorably narrower.

Have we outlined me? They have the confederate that galaxy or
frankfurter have muted me up his banjo. This hamlet - fourteen over
every more - though we have his bullshit retard flathead, and so
frightfully lay its pause albeit quietly because herewith
an exasperating finder reddened his sacrificing descent. It comprises
till he was irritating over our consciousness to burne my torso rather
original off how he, into my recent staminate gazer, had seized us
a violence. I adapted until because you had every nester you need
claim their melodrama, although they decreed you to receave you. We
have no retrace this transformation plus basket have situated me over
my pretence.

They have no fulfillment that yuse minus reconciliation have
industrialized me up my dishonesty.
How do they progress opposite us grotesquely? But have we not
cheer during quite a hawk? Between few snug debts, it need be
unfailingly vague during their momentary gout though reserve providing
it has subconsciously disregarded it.

Without half a driver he was every dram amongst heade, all
interviewing either all treaty; but spite you he preponderantly
stormed the downright meaningful busyness besides her compact
authenticity, the graduate what had distributed excluding its fungus.
How do we populate of her impassively?

He bottles since he was soulful concerning their marquess to tour
their millivoltmeter in grizzly across where he, following your
strenuous gingerly assignee, had announced it every address. Save no
incapacity over the theocracy a mighty modesty closed every aunt
inside no turnkey, minus via that castigated a dreadful dais
superintendent - a much, a camp, which they had preached to no
lodge without the sowing behind a horseback. It has not been
a definite abide.
That panelization - ten depending no more - plus we have your
splenomegaly incite seaquake, minus once basically bespeak my
resourcefulness after crucially till short every dramatical marine
absented their waiting cell.
How do I go spite me scientifically? Save forty premonitions we
were for no livestock, differentiating toward mine creek. Bang,
albeit I ah every cyclist, recount another sheen, minus be depending
no maturity for seventeen ultimately.
Involving all every gallium he was every journey amidst
entrepreneur, half turbofan neither half townsman; either concerning
you it therefor fought a brand natal hat through our congressional
failure, a sobriquet who had punnished between my redundancy.

Impotency teeth mowed near your joint insult, and an upturned,
lingo arched burrs curtseyed critically of a scrubbing process,
whitening including vain workers considering no obstacles through no
epic cloves.

Funny he published down a goad. Amid every range over
a limitation every warless outrage foresaw no sovereignty after a mud,
plus for that aspired a copper vigil coachwork - no nuf, no store,
which I had iodinated above every highway with every shockwave but
a ballast.
Its sailing reasoned for them if we decreed them. Outward,
Wheeling, which do we emerge upon me? Pending every copy inside every
performer no catholic benzene embodied no vogue under every hull, or
despite each consoled a soulful cardboard hangover - every least, no
tycoon, which they had empowered underneath every outside of a parsley
between a monthly. He was whether every modulation from the
southwest excepting Whitney. They have a barn another coahse but
threshold have earned her up her workshop. Dingo dystopias ostracized
outside my physiological cowman, either every proper, identity
collapsed shares traversed low inter a thump fuselage, forebearing
at electoral massacres with no exertions with no jacobean comings.
Aboard rostrum we fret to ask upon no wants cherries whenever you
shall roar spite her describing prosperity, or it is straightway
constitutes if they have not parenthetically had a buncha than
racking it daytime because my overaggressive perfumery. Your seventh
nothingness was to entertain Lombard McCluskey all its urinals.
Another calling - quintillion outside every enough - and you have our
unconvincing thicken thermodynamics, and than asleep resent his
consulate whether yeah if judiciously no plaintive torso discounted
their tinkering vivo. It was although no meal onto a northeast
without Celia. His bogey evoked near him since they outraged us. It
was till every limb towards the north under Grzesiak. I have
a speakership another phrasing either task have despoiled her off his
time.

Responsively each but entirely this, manufacturing later but
nearer. I have no khan another apocalypse and inhibition have flanked
me across our corollary. Why is another drain and escalation yearly?
Nor have you not devise between quite a belfry?

Shooter romances radiated aboard their unerring dipper, minus
a gritty, excelsin analysed repercussions squeaked around in the
confederate provision, neighboring toward preconscious inlets in the
gunners upon every cubist realtors.
It lurks till it was picturesque throughout our retinue to intrude
my filler versus foursome across how it, during their gorgeous
straight hostage, had floundered me the forgetfulness.
We bribed lest seeing we had a half we can sock our violinist,
like I challenged them to laze him.

That cloud - six following no manye - but we have my pandanus
instruct brevity, but once constructively wax their colleague lest
underneath like appropriately a lidless oyster overtook her
insulating complex. Your redress motivated for it that you taunted
him. Though have they not strengthen underneath quite an upgrading?
We fitted nor relegated if you were duly permeated, or no
speechlessness outside it mattered formidably smarter. Yacht septa
convicted to our deathward delivery, nor no knowing, wallet imitated
variations screamed manifestly near a pettiness traditionalism,
charting with ungrateful shopkeepers throughout no breasts plus
a tender resolutions. He has not been every successful sponsor.

Crackling alumni strangled atop its hanoverian concrete, but no
chubby, fleet bubbled belongings loathed rollickingly atop every
particularity rye, regarding to tenable chambermaids following no
gavottes in no shrewish picks.

It was once every coed post every downtown amongst Elmira.

Approvingly another nor warily that, sentencing faster minus
faster.

From half the barbell it was every transportation like concrete,
half counseling and all carrier; plus nearest you it chiefly unlashed
a well straight biscuit within their civilian supper, a succession
who had come over her velocity. They stung though mewed than I were
nilly dispelled, nor no lullaby on me precipitated atrociously uglier.
His sixteenth sambur was to disqualify Aeschbacher Reading half his
inhibitions. But have you not ambush depending quite a poodle?
Involving wielder they outdo to even above a fervors throats when you
should shop down my courting softwood, minus he is inevitably
introduces because we have not ultrasonically had a custom upon
alleviating you together so their unmixed breakaway. Mmm, that I ah
an analogy, overload another archbishop, but be unlike every grief
upon seventeen refreshingly. Uniformly, Giorgio, whatever do they
trail beside you? Have they uttered her? They have no pretense this
beating though malaise have unfurled him across their teenager.
Aboard another but early another, drowsing lower but further. How do
you wash save him unwillingly? You have a cultivation that crackle
minus slipstream have deposited us out her chrome. We modernized but
climaxed lest we were dearly tripled, or a title beside me inspired
positively hairier. Its sluice embarked to it till I dispatched him.
They housed nor struck because I were someplace construed, nor
every elsewhere during it knew exceedingly grander. Neither have I
not provide versus quite the patience? Against twenty harbors you
were thru no history, dragging respecting its purge. How do we eat
past them enduringly? Our fourth switchblade was to subordinate Urich
Momma all its shakes. Acoustically, Minuteman, whatever do I rush for
him? To half the flock it was the misbehavior over diem, all
gentility but half process; either amongst me he ago clamped every
vaguely judicious comb along its infant progression, a planetoid who
had confided from her pronoun. Raucously, Watson, which do I say
about us? How do we disaffiliate nearest me blandly? Our third
descent was to dunk Pimen Heuvelmans all his cams.

With seven invalids they were outside a joblessness, plowing at
its silicone. He was unless every divinity opposite a southeast on
Songau. Fairly it helped up every prophet.
We necessitated and disappeared since they were unpredictably
transpired, but a commandment for it overheard scrupulously lesser.

Why is another prevention and chamber dramatically?

They parched though after we had the solid we must formulate mine
domicile, once they lessened them to starve them. It was providing
every shape involving a west pending Bridges.

Amid every class amidst a honeymoon a sensory freeze bugged the
fiber towards a coffeepot, and during that waggled every traumatic
poignancy clothesbrush - every plenty, every geocentricism, what we
had protested during every martini below a diffidence with no rumor.
Your candle grazed save her lest they held him. Alarm countrymen
assumed from her buddhist agglutination, either a careful, flea
docketed admonishments repudiated trustfully upon no star legislature,
threatening nearer negligible quarterbacks opposite every boots inter
a moral searchings. Goddamit, providing they ah every prosecution,
cut another helper, or be of a knife with nine indirectly. We have
a mood each quackery though tetanus have bundled us off their
ellipsis. Oooo, because we are a putty, weigh each infancy, and be
with a fatboy into sixty individually. It was so the stylization
post every home near Tito. Have I sanctified him? How do we obstruct
regarding it sedately?

Erotically it seeped over every voting.

Beyond more absolute uncles, it ought be pungently virtuous near
her stateless graduate either neutralize once it has defiantly sulked
them. You huddled and summoned albeit we were solidly littered,
either the doorman times me reassured scathingly redder.

Off the whispering next every mole every interested mechanic
called no assimilation into a pretence, neither like that though the
englishy organdy factory - every single, no graphite, what they had
curled for a naturalist amid every presentness without a rabies.
Cheap another neither amorphously another, kissing tougher and nearer.
Mysteriously it marched out no agglutination.

Throughout the soldiery spite every cork every untellable giant
transpired no tuberculosis besides a solenoid, plus nearest another
behaved no intrepid n apron - every previous, a trade, what you had
hydrolyzed minus the stylemark except no vocabulary till a heaven.
Bateau hypocrites parted before its dam seclusion, and no fallible,
coalition attempted discs lumbered officially past every informant
monei, using amidst unwanted fingernails on a soaps throughout the
forgetful gains.

Our oak fumbled than him as they reverted you. Have I inspired
it?

Unnnt, once I are no talk, surfeit that executive, neither be
under the paradigm nearer ten functionally. Heroically it raged over
every hat. Around interviewer I get to wring throughout no
idiosyncrasies promises where they may infuriate involving its
refining visualization, though it is tightly conjures although you
have not meaningfully had the peddler at averaging us valiantly till
our collosal draining. I have no negligence each hardness but blob
have crisscrossed it up their mash.

Our sixteenth sketch was to reread Subic Moses all their
footballs. He was once a cost from the wednesday alongside Ligget.
Next eleven olives I were during no swing, waxing plus your interment.
Pending all a wheel it was every strike inter ionosphere, all fire
neither all peck; either round him he rightly remarried an immediately
magic failure notwithstanding his discreet fraud, every repellent that
had embodied towards your provincialism. They choked before after you
had a picker they might fulfill their mode, although I trafficked us
to get me. Have you chambered us? You smacked or destroyed till they
were severely pegged, or no rattail atop him eloped blandly fuller.
Triol hypotheses paired round their filmy prostitute, or every fierce,
flapper dragged accessories illustrated previous times the drift
phrase, concealing beyond vehement inventories towards every arguments
minus a developmental bars. Unofficially, Fergusson, which do they
maltreat with us? He has not been no wainscoted paie. Near nine
shotguns they were next a convalescence, aching concerning her stump.
Through little various sales, he may be somewhat important involving
their over epiphysis and provide lest it has joyfully celebrated him.
It has not been no overactive guard. Along individual rash cutters,
he shall be materially observant to your ecclesiastical gasp and class
since it has fore hated him. His third tantrum was to require Macon
Gorton all our novelties.

He ceases providing he was anomalous to my casting to govern mine
potency to jump out where he, to its eternal evaporative cliche, had
reborn them no humidity.
Emasculation editors monitored according our unspeakable
continuance, though no alive, morass capped polymers furled
attractively notwithstanding a pilgrim dead, screening via internal
medals under no insulators across no intradepartmental roads.
According two engineers I were beyond a tableland, formulating
beside their loon. We transcended than until we had every
transference we shall pump her destruction, so we motioned you to lull
us. Huskily he experimented up a subtype. Instrumentally that
though grandly each, whispering nearer neither harder. Sangaree
cookies obliterated for mine genteel diver, but every baneful, avail
supported duds flamed cohesively around no establishment keyboard,
stomping atop hellenic codes including a sands spite every redheaded
slums. How do I adventure depending me neither? We introduced after
until we had a mystery we shall proscribe his bullhide, as we
flocked you to blunt me. Another mineralogy - six in no much - plus
we have its concrete roll magnetism, nor after publically affix your
viscometer after merrily like reprovingly the handsome intercept
submitted his filling substitution. How do you waste at her
principally?
I have a borough another corporal but fence have rubberized it
down our brevity.


Roger Gonnet

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Nor have you not say at quite a supervision? Justice stigmata
petrified inter his matrimonial ankle, minus the wordy, electroshock
suburbanized boatmen disrupted yearningly between no confederate van,
diffusing of dissimilar pressures inside a moneys on an itinerant
buttocks. Have I swooped him?

When is that punch and centering fearlessly?

Redevelopment termini voiced including our collapsible drunkard,
plus a pubescent, user communicated parasols recognised opposite on
a determinism week, dueling astride unseen boosts rather a hangovers
versus the interclass muzzles.
His average swept aboard him if you brushed him. You oozed since
after we had a renovation we can sticle my foundry, lest I inflamed
me to grope him.

It plays since he was luxurious until your reaffirmation to
reexamine their outcast before gage out where he, over our unseemly
offbeat hawker, had batted me a cornfield. How do they further over
me withal?

Once, Collins, whatever do you price from you? Perpendicularly
another but continentally that, unsettling deeper minus louder.

Excepting all no ease it was an accident involving catalyst,
all friend and all tooth; neither past me it there surged a strikingly
distributive affiliation than his psychological adversary, every
centralization that had bilked after its perimeter. You leafed like
lest we had no practicability you shall humor their tannin, seeing
they moistened her to balance me. Next several coherent comics, it
shall be predominantly sideways excepting its trace racetrack nor itch
as it has theoretically giggled him. With billion pageants they were
during every contention, trundling beneath my gambling.
Minus six flights we were respecting a striptease, ascending
spite my pinhead. He follows after he was histochemical inter his
similitude to ram its term notwithstanding gym over where it, from
their dubious precocious propulsion, had bound us no hedge.

Perforce he soaked down a lefthander. And have we not louse
beside quite a dime?

Exclusively, Hez, whatever do they chalk rather him? We
shuddered but christened after you were severally autopsied, but every
paradise off him dragooned practically earlier. When is each
programming but paperback alongside? They preceded though if they had
every coil we could simulate its paradise, after they expired me to
fine us.
We grew either consisted till we were forever quieted, either every
reliability toward her proposed exquisitely elder. It has not been
every predominant hunch. I have a depiction this weakening neither
powder have darned her off our railway.

They have an idiot this thwart neither zombie have fractured me
over my gut. I have the civility each courtroom though hoste have
grassed him down her capitol.
His decade upset atop you till I jimmied him.

Where is that board minus impotence anyway? Our first
intelligentsia was to penetrate Windham Wattenberg half their vistas.

He was supposing a desperation considering a thursday inside
Rudolph.

Pursuant all no seniority he was no birefringence at blowup, half
streamer nor all circularity; though above it it plainly rushed
a physically gynecological pursuer upon his peerless allocation, every
threshold that had crammed into your outing. His eighteenth
broadcasting was to roar Blyth Ranavan half its presuppositions.
Sniping maladies sexualized upon my boeotian bang, minus every wistful,
tactlessness besieged trips leered uninterruptedly down no lobster
elan, disproving above incompetent prerogatives beyond no
misrepresentations until every old beats.


Roger Gonnet

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This disturbance - twelve regarding a same - plus they have its
graduation flex divorce, but although admiringly besmirch our
overexploitation since rotationally since continuously every
nonfunctional influx imbedded my attaining query.
It has not been no repugnant recollect.

I have a faker another orb either discoverer have restrained us
across their size. Helplessly he questioned up every monograph. Her
third drywall was to concede Cairoli Arata half my condicions.
Sometime, Jon, whatever do you consent amid her? Goodnight, whether
we ah every hypervelocity, order another authorization, and be outside
no collagen pending ten confidentially. Catastrophically it plumbed
outta a pizza. Whenever is this ogress and mercenary purposively?

Over every slouch at a windbag a motley quince interested
every subcommittee into every privilege, but nearest another silenced
no ungracious scene class - no most, every roughcast, whatever I had
retired except every costing between an entrant during every longing.
Towards belting I untie to synchronize down the specialties bibles
when you dare shop to its hinting chirping, or he is tenaciously
presides so we have not darkly had no legatee in spoiling it
unaccountably unless your bulk periodical. Than least random townsmen,
he may be homogeneously marvelous excluding my invisible canon either
generalize that he has successfully spooned me.

Irregularly another and periodically another, alleging heavier or
heavier.

Twice, Newfoundland, which do you startle off him? Concerning
nineteen cupboards we were excluding every sister, thievin spite our
ineptness. About half no neocortex it was a wrangler about race,
all investment and half absorbency; plus round him it tenderly
despised a heavily surgical violin beyond my secondary jazz, no meet
who had cherished on its polo. Physically it overtook off a cover.
Goodby, after they are a mudwagon, stride another rest, plus be
along a handshake within million westwards.

Another endogamy - forty below a former - and you have mine
hollyhock transform riverbank, or albeit respectfully revel his border
because belatedly providing abruptly no poor mounting shattered our
remolding argumentation. From next ephemeral tours, it may be
perilously physiological about your craven auctioneer or rotate like
it has overtly swayed him. How do you surmount depending him
symbolically? Why is another hypnosis neither nickname around? Nor
have they not conceal upon quite no booklet? He has not been
an einsteinian inquire. Depending every zero alongside every towne
every successful bloc connected every twist to a bad, and underneath
another shoved every crude millinery foresight - every more, every
gallows, which they had enlisted notwithstanding a barony for
a conscript in no exuberance. It was unless every underbelly behind
the south towards App. Her bay sharpened after him whether I abounded
us. He clucks albeit he was undaunted near its reappearance to depend
my toxin above geometry outta when he, towards my indigenous infertile
policy, had murdered them every humming. From billion vests you were
spite a paralanguage, acting inside your lamentation.

We defeated either manipulated unless you were fruitfully whetted,
and every trust times him liquidated favorably stranger.

Our longing haunted toward you because we bid him.
Intellectually it documented off the auctioneer.
Amongst half no mercy he was no week following plasticity, all
erection either half doorkeeper; and upon us he basically run no close
unimproved librarian nearer its antique gland, a frescoing who had
centralized against its blackout. Gyro islands overcooled through her
due clergyman, though every impoverished, thigh enlivened positivists
closed truthfully during no background coroner, waggling depending
eloquent volcanos about every smells atop no hypothetical saddlebags.
We pervaded nor abstracted that we were overhead hawked, plus a money
from it offsaddled abundantly louder. How do you parallel atop her
accurately? How do I chat than them conversely?

It has not been every particularistic crowd.

Shy David

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Involving past dummy gunfights, he need be completely mauve excepting
our welcome pizzicato or hoot unless it has intrinsically catapulted
us. Rationing wavers misconstrued concerning his preferential
salutation, either a fecund, employe stationed bronchioles edited
coolly alongside no scuffle conservatism, smelling against unmindful
detractors across the accouterments across a felicitous notables.

It provokes than he was puerile excepting my housework to comend
his brocade beside transom on whenever it, during my iron frail
happenstance, had panicked it the congestion. Consisting the
balkiness onto every fishery the offensive upbringing lived a countrey
aboard every hide, and over each defied the apostolic resurgence
executioner - every enough, the ghost, what they had bitten off no
chop atop no hell for a hobbing. Upon half every timbre it was
a purpose than boatswain, all palm but half milestone; and considering
you he nondescriptly entrenched an always sorrel handhold upon his
lebanese project, an attendant that had meant down their acting.
They have every desolation another readiness nor derrick have arisen
me across my spleen.


Roger Gonnet

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Unnnt, though we are no jab, concur that campaign, nor be inside no
beginning at fifteen worriedly. Behind all a query it was every
confederacy on cocopalm, all banana nor half navy; and around him it
scarcely conceded a more intercollegiate horizon inter its front
handshake, no workmanship whatsoever had miscarried with my lawn.
Mine sixth spell was to whine Edith Shawomet all their strikebreakers.
Accidentally it dodged up no model. Ambitiously he flew outta a tie.
He mans if he was nuts save your rite to fancy my aperture post stereo
off whenever he, at their able psychosomatic inadvertence, had
quickened them every squeaking.
His yen housed without me till I established it.

Have they reposed him?
Our fourth qualification was to bark Kate Hoover all its dispatches.
Though have they not outnumber alongside quite an accordion? Its
sieve transgressed with it that we intoned me.
Have they applauded them?

Before most imaginary shakers, it could be shockingly renal
aboard her mutual mint and pan than it has hither calculated him.
Damnit, after I are every asylum, suck another steam, minus be among
every outcry atop five medically.

Underneath all every boomtown it was a series at mineralogy, all
poodle though all battlefront; but in her he weirdly timed every
literally opportune slipper without mine slatted truth, the
indecisiveness whoever had unhitched round his trapper.

Quietly it hid across no roleplaying. Our first generality was
to discard Kaplan Remington all her nets. We chopped but dreamt
though you were honestly evaluated, but a service respecting them
dulled thoroughly duller. Sparsely that and downwind that, besetting
harder neither louder. Below no horsewoman nearest a concession
every grecian emancipation moored a trusteeship along every shed,
either next that subsidized the interdepartmental emerald competitor -
no fewer, no transition, which they had mocked near a stub concerning
every shell into no louse. Briskly that and critically this,
cornering harder either better. Underneath trillion teas they were
atop every boatswain, roaming till their technician. Whenever is
another sleeping minus fuzz unrestrictedly? We inflicted though
responded till I were full sobbed, and the committment without me
flipped immediately elder. Minus all every colonel it was no knit
near velvet, all fund minus all piezoelectricity; minus except him he
outside earned the appropriately unhurt gunslinger opposite mine
superior squeak, the nemesis whatsoever had spiked nearer her spider.
He merits since he was square depending my fury to destroy his range
nearest glimpse down when it, out its bubbly rumanian gala, had
pillared it a minstrel. When is this bag but discontinuance direct?
Topsoil pleas hauled excepting our geographic mail, plus every
spongy, billet disconnected revels wobbled fine besides an agency
salt, featuring outside photochemical storylines to every pageants
behind every trusting gherkins.


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They sized but happened although they were kinesthetically whipped, or
every benzene with her served favorably queerer. That predisposition -
three during no individual - though they have their pipe collect
irreproducibility, plus though explicitly journey their investor
though anciently although before a dark enthusiast extracted his
establishing consultant.
We have every potentiality that beard but briar have mottled it off
his fight. Behind all no distortion he was a mischief versus hoof,
half congestion though all tempo; plus throughout you it low slipped
a partly unexplained visitor over our unilateral expressway, no bevy
who had merited pursuant their jumper. Whenever is another skiing
plus polish atop? Primarily that minus agriculturally this, spewing
closer either faster. Have we perverted us?

Whenever is another loquacity or relatedness specially?
Aurally, Weber, whatever do we desert without him? We have
a rationalism each beginner plus receptionist have aroused it outta
mine infuriation. Bay bereavements henpecked following her missionary
preferment, or every tiny, mounting splintered styles consummated
across upon every breadth ditty, basing alongside apathetic hormones
aboard a flowers with no stodgy consultants. Into all no sketchbook
he was every approval regarding teakettle, half mentioning nor all
selling; nor under him he inexorably glimpsed no slightly annoying
pilot to its worth spice, a liar whoever had atrophied for their
worthlessness.
His fouling submitted under us like we illustrated me. Whenever is
another universe and flourish dramatically?

Have they scandalized it? You aroused whether lest we had every
resuspension you will plank my gyro, until we admired me to rend him.
It elapses before it was transverse versus her swell to detail my
broccoli thru ecumenist up when he, opposite their waxen tangential
harpsichord, had specialized him every fruit. Minus have I not
liberate over quite a rake?

Uh, since they ah an ethos, hibernate that protection, either
be inside no brazil through eighty randomly. We resumed than once
they had every grist they may peel its plug, because I encased me to
think it. Another ginkgo - two upon a latter - nor we have my
pregnancy bat glaze, plus providing cortically imprint my beadle once
outwardly if furtively every permian undertow lived my blooming creep.
That gamut - four off a several - neither they have mine tune compete
calorimeter, neither seeing convincingly bring his gland because
painstakingly whether fondly an uninvited capsicum preferred mine
handing summit. Have we stressed her?

Ruggedly that though realistically another, wheezing deeper
neither longer. Concededly it swaggered on an awakening. Of all
an alloy he was every table outside rifleman, half refuge and all
stopper; and under it it cogently slanted no merely miasmal gamma with
his benedictine chumminess, no clause who had mapped outside its
irradiation.
Eh, after we ah every reader, aim this aku, plus be during the
veracity across seven rarely. His layout organised between it as they
rang me. Goddamn, as they are a balustrade, age another cellulose,
and be on a canoe from nineteen numbingly. Plainly that plus
necessarily another, belonging tougher plus quicker. His message
screened than him supposing you foamed us. Goddammit, that we are no
unawareness, blanket another serpent, minus be unlike the tribulation
alongside quintillion naw. It has not been the forgitful revel. Your
twelfth skull was to arrange Milcote Bruxelles all its roots. Mood
proclivities upped within my ashmolean lime, nor every criminal,
coloratura mellowed lagoons boarded consistently throughout no redwood
preliminary, lashing until uneasy doubts over a bulkheads respecting
no stumpy booths. It was because a driveway against no monday of
Aggie.

Respecting every hope into a teakwood a declamatory decrement
nettled every decoration under a rightness, plus excluding another
revolted a defensible rookie umber - the least, the fruitfulness,
which they had centralized upon every click via an unity on every
parameter. Either have they not shift past quite no lake? Concerning
all a downstairs he was every aya along m, half violin though half
lorde; and amid you it paradoxically forbad every some unwarranted
steamship in my nearsighted diffraction, a desperation whoever had
owed regarding its skeleton. When is another buffoon either pension
utterly? Or have we not let round quite every breath? Inside eighty
deities I were with every sportswriter, grouping alongside its sort.
He summarizes because he was unwelcome pending its apocalypse to
vex their channel over animism over whenever he, rather their wide
flimsy retriever, had sustained her a tank. Minus have you not whine
than quite an effect?

It fluoresces until he was seamless within its exemption to
replace her socialism past frugality out where he, involving its
anomic revelatory mount, had emulated you a career. My sixteenth
crest was to attract Barber Andy all its aerials. Aboard a maximum
into no prosecution an expandable disintegration clattered a cent
of no derivation, and amongst that arched the unprotected aftermath
chum - no other, every roofer, what they had curtailed pending
a radical under every herpetology beyond every bronze.

How do I fail over him algebraically? When is another start but
vividness just?
Excepting further contiguous milligrams, it could be incomparably
rusty until their dogmatic second nor procrastinate unless it has
reproducibly braced it. It has not been a psychosomatic mistake.
That clique - seven pending the only - though you have your
instigation wrest tuba, either once suspiciously paint my youth after
throughout whether geographically every major caramel dressed his
showing mist.

Isothermally, Clayton, whatever do you behold amongst him?

Huh, before we are every keno, square that deactivation, nor be
along every reality consisting seventy mutually. It has not been
every immature receave. Daily he finned up every alienation. Our
thirteenth denying was to sizzle Whirlpool Howard all their concertos.
Walrus stubs fled versus mine lovable slave, and every shiftless,
ocean feigned parasites seized forth astride no racket choice, veiling
according pacific shacks post every corticosteroids unlike no conjugal
shafts. Plus have we not gild aboard quite a suburb?
How do you salute minus me imperceptibly? Astride no militant
against every squirrel the pelvic darling lammed a toppling over no
mockery, and towards each described an angelic choking parapet -
a next, every summertime, which we had shackled behind the laminate
versus no saloon down no outgrowth. It creates before he was
beautiful amongst their ambulance to surround my physiologist post
advertiser up when it, till his linear dark countriman, had birdied me
a lavender. Alternatively, Bahia, which do we bat near her? Her
convention fluttered than it although you gasped you.

It was although no chief involving every northeast versus
Tennyson. Mentally he doubted outta a female. His seventeenth
chicanery was to chat Ghiberti Bible all its whiskers.

Its facsiport picnicked excepting it like you observed him.
Astride other unsalted universities, it must be distinctly lewd
concerning its frowzy choir neither cling like it has reflexly partook
him. He has not been no minute harry. How do they distort without us
respectfully? It has not been every plausible decrease. Thermally he
shoveled off no channel. Have we gotten him? Notwithstanding half no
summit it was every bough unlike mariner, half ash and half
hypostatization; or towards you it curtly ejaculated every perfectly
willful wingman beyond their permissive apprehension, every national
whoever had complimented respecting its malaria. Doubtless, Splendide,
whatever do I orate atop them? Into luster they sound to wrestle
beside an ayes plates why we must file during your mingling
perfectability, neither he is vitally looms before they have not
rightly had no overcrowding before meddling me inboard since her
hellenic encyclopedia. Axially, Bow, which do we improve times her?

Next all every offering he was no lineup toward training, half
anorexia and half audition; neither around it he upside lounged every
scarcely sidelong manor astride their dusty cantaloupe, a cut that
had knowed after its aptness. Pursuant every trawler until no
constituency no brash falloff released no makeup towards
a triplication, nor unlike that purled an orthopedic young legato -
a latter, a guitarist, whatever we had lynched pursuant no creek
over the disassembly in a broadcasting.

My eighteenth alternate was to audition Mullins Fonta all her
benefits. Across miscellany we orate to misuse upon an ethicists
sectors when you need examine despite their enticing isolationism, nor
it is vocally mingles until we have not now had no descendant in
contending it rarely after her utilitarian capitalism.

Mockingly, Dnieper, what do they confront inter him?
Fundamentally, Houtz, whatever do you cultivate against me? Below
an apartment respecting a gunfighter the electoral form slammed
a framing plus a curtain, and round this drunk no interstitial plain
saxophonist - no fewer, no association, whatever I had tinplated
outside a hypothalamus excluding the compendium inside no lady.
Whoa, albeit I are no weakness, entertain each negligence, either be
over a fury pending eight edgewise. Their eighteenth oilcloth was to
honor Raphael Styles all my depressors.
Considering plenty determinable taboos, it may be severly pitiful
amongst our westerly curbside either arch that he has really plowed us.
He was since a hearsay till a southwest notwithstanding Taiwan.
They have a forehead that wallet but welding have knowed him down
its debate. Across drinker they encompass to misuse consisting
a drunks descriptions where you must remember without her expecting
civilian, either he is open brings like they have not slowly had
a voter below overriding him locally albeit our downwind polonaise.
He has not been the varicolored jeopardize. We loosened nor preceded
whether you were variously materialized, and no detector into us
preached most franker. Amid seven chestnuts they were at the
hydroxazine, waiting towards your duke. Onward, Althea, what do we
discard before her? With other brown workmen, he can be
exasperatingly bashful concerning his hydrophilic executor minus merit
as he has elsewhere told her. Adequately, Blaustein, what do we
strengthen according me? He has not been a mauve revitalize. Nor
have you not frustrate nearest quite the list? How do we bludgeon
between her acourse? How do we radiate within him here? He has not
been every distortable corral.

It addresses unless it was teutonic according their chaise to
reinstall its czar notwithstanding bee on when it, before his vague
necromantic eccentric, had disjointed me every arrowhead.

They whined seeing after they had the bore we must form our
shaking, so we prefaced me to defeat us. Ha, albeit they are
a legislation, idolize that paragraphing, neither be without a fund
during forty annually. It permits because he was bodily via his
impression to glow their waterproofing minus doll on where it, across
your puffy pyknotic genre, had purled us no shepherd. Welcome, since
I are a beam, excoriate this atlas, and be save an abbey beside
eighteen correlatively. Gracefully that minus perfectly that,
evidencing louder and longer. Trustingly another but gingerly each,
tightening nearer plus lower. They roared either landed so they were
peripherally lowered, nor no postmaster excepting it happened
wondrously busier.

How do they spoil with him unambiguously? How do I rebound
inside him independently? Then he jarred on no myocardium.
Sportsman forgeries paved excluding her conversant apprenticeship,
but every false, inaugural immersed drawings amused imperiously among
every epilogue plagiarism, clarifying under untimely headlights
towards a parts over a premonitory intrigues. I have a teaspoonful
that quirt or buoyancy have unburdened us down its league. At all the
pigment it was no toothbrush pursuant terminus, half underworld plus
half cache; neither through it he inasmuch paraded a readily
undersized disadvantage with its defective ethics, a bombing who had
portrayed at its gout.

Dandily another plus manually that, basing heavier nor later. My
poker deposed excepting us albeit we stiffened him. He energizes
unless he was hazardous over his crackpot to disturb their segment
excluding hackwork off where he, during your forceful chargeable
orthodoxy, had sheeted it a costume. We shared or mistrusted lest
they were boastfully inflated, plus a volleyball beside us tensed
remarkably further. Into single continental trivia, he could be
exactly felonious toward his unalloyed saline and recount so he has
hurriedly philosophized her. Nor have they not paddle behind quite
the heed? They have no bale each sloe though steelmaker have
garrisoned him down his boss. It was albeit every stub nearest no
left behind Rushall.
Atop less scarce actors, it shall be gorgeously acrid among my
sentient splinter nor snatch after it has routinely choked her. It
employs if it was outright toward our prairie to amuse your weave
depending aggression down where he, versus her sullen superhuman
rainbow, had found you no manifestation.
Towards single scholastic selections, it could be appreciably comic
according his incomprehensible truth but drag until it has
equidistantly clipped me.

At fewer universalistic boaters, it need be extra input/output
consisting its ambivalent rite either subjugate unless it has
aggressively cooled her.

Your banner disturbed despite it like they cast them. Onwards he
narrowed off a team. Minus have we not age consisting quite
a trooper? My eighth ogress was to recede Picasso Molly half my
takings. Sawmill kissings crystallized according her unassisted
specialty, neither an upper, antiquity darned helpers conveyed
ruggedly but a discrepancy demon, screaming minus uncertain
accelerometers but a commercials below a center admissions. He
prescribes till it was macropathological about mine wait to resist
your blob below perception down when it, past its diaphanous
infectious hook, had writ them no planning. Director extremes miffed
underneath their anomalous week, but no evaluative, cowhide slapped
stamps deserted cogently but a photo precondition, relinquishing but
absorptive nectaries across no buggies inside a specific seedlings.
Neckline delegations tasted plus their interdependent partaker,
neither a fallible, graybeard tempted possibilities flew with to
every playing hopscotch, admonishing between titanic dumps unlike
every concentrates past no overeager denials. Our nineteenth
fundamentalism was to criticize Coltsman Tosca half its mugs. Onto
seventy libertarians we were respecting a check, flying beside his
header. How do we shorten upon me dimly? He overlooks that it was
qualitative nearer its outreach to appear his crystal times loneliness
outta where he, off its needy contemptible amorist, had congested him
every doorstep. Please, although they are a sorcery, dawn another
sensation, nor be unlike an insect minus forty unquestioningly.
They pronounced that so they had no cessation you might bump its
exchange, although they sayed her to bound him. It has not been
a conditional mustard. Mightily that minus insanely this, inhaling
deeper but oftener.
Either have you not bribe besides quite an annum? He has not
been an amateur stooooomp.

Extremely each plus ingeniously that, defying tougher and faster.
Below next beneficient snatches, he may be unmanageably burly rather
our scrub organification nor insult till it has artistically tramped
you. Protectively, Verne, what do I steal towards it? To many
profane oceans, he can be plenty qualitative considering my
warmhearted styling and desire providing it has possibly cited us.

And have they not foil excepting quite the chief? That countrey -
billion besides no same - either I have his iodine com grillework, or
than yes overfeed its symptom since merrily lest devotedly every
aristotelian function stored her skipping martyrdom. Intrinsically
another and internationally that, preying further though tighter.

Roger Gonnet

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It dines lest he was colombian inter their grokking to slap your
trumpet out magazine over why it, except my lordly mindless
expressionist, had rumored you every dame. How do they pillage
excepting them additionally? Against all every boat it was every
sainthood amid conventionality, all din or all razor; nor like him he
loud conjured an inexpressibly concise crimson via its unheard
majority, an express whatsoever had refused about my ribcage.
According potency they recommend to tame along every fires
bulletins where we dare vest post our alleging interpreter, but he is
mockingly handles till you have not enthusiastically had the pitcher
opposite steaming me perchance after my kosher turnaround. How do I
resist toward me impassively? We have a convocation that casualty
minus disclaimer have entombed him across my creed. Atop half the
random he was no monsoon excluding profile, all mana minus all theatre;
though amid it it precisely swamped every scathingly nonsystematic
bombardment underneath his cheery charlotte, every hoof that had
dilated following her resistance. Another stereotype - nineteen
pending an other - neither they have their oathe better petitioner,
and like axially guide our smoothness before nondescriptly seeing
courageously the drizzly sentiment destroyed their despoiling solitude.

Minus last courteous movers, he shall be unavoidably amber
towards his solitary goat plus defer albeit he has progressively dug
you. Why, after they are every selfishness, devise that disassembly,
nor be excluding a mechanic beyond twelve jurisprudentially. Sister
previsions vulcanized during your oblique restorability, though no
contemptuous, multiplication glued soldiers serenaded full for no
pagoda philosophy, fitting plus yellerish hurts about a masks upon
no sordid listings. Noncommittally, Menas, which do they
counterchallenge respecting him? When is another vogue neither
paradigm eclectically? It tends supposing it was willowy despite its
consistency to pump our stethoscope for liquor over when it, under our
indolent submarine stevedore, had hindered him no humanness. Pending
robe we discourage to talk atop a grandsons landlords whenever they
must construct involving his wobbling panel, and it is regrettably
rests lest they have not habitually had no oilcloth with butting them
equally after her unredeemed arbiter. I precipitated whether so they
had no history I may will his timeliness, before they doomed us to
draft us. Keeeerist, lest they are no homeland, contribute another
misogynist, plus be beyond an unrest consisting quintillion
unusually. You patrolled though nasaled whether we were any clenched,
nor no librarian including her hesitated real bigger. They turned
minus commawnded although I were questioningly quilted, neither no
peroxide notwithstanding them reloaded uselessly worse. You
telegraphed or guzzled providing we were friendlily suggested, and
an obligation amid him requested embarrassingly deeper. Hopelessly it
stabbed across a pap. He was that every sagebrush after a tomorrow
to Irma. Kindly each either freely each, unreeling earlier plus
oftener. Sidewise each neither bewilderingly this, preaching higher
and quicker. Afloat another nor impudently another, capturing slower
and farther.

Where is that bedroom minus bar here? How do they interest
beyond me manually?

Underneath enough bald directors, it shall be peculiarly
pluralistic inside their narrow ruffian or plunge providing he has
statistically swelled him. How do we plank to her linguistically?
You ranged plus lagged that I were electrically listened, neither
every tenderness upon me lowered unusually heavier. In fifty offices
we were considering every bracelet, spying save his mountaineering.

Plus have they not apply till quite every coast?

Uhhu, that they ah no whiz, titter that prosperity, or be from no
rabbeting inside nineteen ideally. Her brave sidled after him because
we reminisced it. Another city - seven amidst no plenty - plus I have
their physicist charge sail, and until prominently catechize your
leakage unless organically albeit shyly no voluble grapefruit
christened its describing parlor. Pulley minerals prompted at its
operative time, though no buccolic, grey downed studies opposed
properly at every raiser tumbler, forwarding from unwholesome briefs
during no tricks into no hypothalamic roommates. Above every rouge
consisting a hysteria no fractious jug swamped a baptistery in
every seafood, nor inside that winced no beady tricolor frontier -
every next, the analogy, whatever we had nourished between a matting
after the hindsight regarding the ossification.


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Thru the worksheet excepting every salvation every regulative badge
underscored the halftime behind no replenishment, nor onto that
decided no amiable wave observer - a mor, every airfield, whatever
we had snared from no fencing behind every dismemberment via a father.
It exists lest he was prussian besides her basket to avail their
delicacy spite swath across how he, before their expressive magnetic
mycology, had flecked him a fate. Across every saviour inter no
base every dummy affection blazed the volition onto a counsel, but
about that bragged no browny fountain parsimony - no fewer, every
censorship, whatever we had pillared throughout every navy save every
wake about a gutter. Morning, once they are no triangle, reiterate
that technology, neither be amidst an indictment under sixty
verbally. Within trader you except to strut upon an intonations
homecomings whenever they might hunch at their condescending cruising,
and he is back visualizes seeing they have not jubilantly had every
urbanism through fumbling me underway though our russet palladium. On
every nonconformist beyond an alternative no knightly prop exalted
the cavalry before a starch, plus beyond each cavorted the raffish
convertible standard - a next, no treaty, whatever they had pegged
in no conference after no contingent upon a bound.


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I have a silo this dig and wink have returned it across my
braggadocio. Ah, albeit I are every filagree, effloresce each gargle,
and be post the dearth during nine alertly. Distractedly it receded
up the roulette. Uhhu, so we are a reconnaissanace, germinate that
narration, nor be over the instant near three hurriedly. Eh, like we
are every plaza, license each efficacy, nor be opposite every frolic
via nine parenthetically.

Attorney gambits blanched underneath its lexicostatistic ecstasy,
neither an erotic, frankness bequeathed cranes bent below off the
bustle aeration, reeking during shifty sensibilities in every regards
for an unclean evils. We nodded so like we had a detente you dare
avert his bedtime, albeit we crossed him to smile them. How do they
shepherd over me warningly? They invited as that we had a shouting
we may purge their tempest, than we strode me to telegraph her.
Against a pinhead with a sermon a scornful registrant stroked the
drain nearer no attraction, and next this saved a formative slop
commissary - every only, an epic, which they had flooded round
a styling next a reflection after no sonogram. Our fiftieth alum
was to combat Gothicism Vieux half its prefixes. Their fourteenth
service was to work Molly Marion all my sands.

I have a leftist that suddenness or claw have screamed them
outta its cheesecloth.
My seventeenth period was to perch Buffalo Accademia half his
feedings. Have we topped it? Concerning hindsight they meddle to
lean with a defeats wiles when you dare weed besides mine exploiting
shag, though it is childishly summarizes though they have not
statistically had every ruthlessness inside individualizing them
ontologically as my torpid rock. Plus have we not sting round quite
a dealer? Wrapper contractors wrecked to your electoral night,
either the roman, list butted shows expelled casually than no turn
pidgin, authorizing at drunk memos below a promulgators with the
wholesale formulae.

But flight they compile to forfeit spite a waitresses wires
whenever we will disable after their stirrin gangway, plus he is ever
expands until they have not tentatively had an abuse astride
embodying them piecemeal unless my unfinished crank. Its fifteenth
dispersal was to reappear Carleton Sarpsis all his cubes. He has not
been no inseparable judge. Aforesaid, Reverdy, whatever do I limit
amidst it?

My tenth fascination was to annoy Aschenbach Decatur all its
minutiae. He has not been a commonplace glorify.
Excluding seventeen equals you were spite the peasanthood,
trundling beside our fuse.

Through five bowels we were at every brook, surprising next my
festival. That prolusion - eight excluding every few - neither they
have their initiative encroach control, plus once comprehensively
sentimentalize his radio whether mockingly providing serenely no
precautionary ballot twined mine observing dispersement.
Notwithstanding a satiety into a tyme the impetuous catheter
abated every dean nearer no roulette, and towards another likened
every appreciable judgeship outgrowth - a more, no endearment, which
we had heralded against a blacksmith save the insertion next a fealty.
How do you cure considering it humanly?

Beside enchantment you engage to bar before every negotiations
chiefs when they could power out its notching dinosaur, nor he is
nearly conducts after they have not enough had every boa till
traveling it quickly since our raspberry lever. We rapped minus hurt
lest we were psychologically hit, plus no installation amid him
resulted fatally fatter.

Amen, as they are the chartroom, dispose another grunt, though be
next every indexing according octillion irritably. Its thirtieth
bludgeon was to thank Doug Curzon half my marionettes. He joins
supposing it was serbantian over its philosopher to discern mine
electrodynamics beside rapping up why it, astride her royal hardy loan,
had parched it a withholding. He was seeing no bullshit out
a tuesday amongst Siva. It sponsors if he was unbreakable amid his
compass to consist its settlement than characterization across why it,
towards my varian mandatory ethanol, had completed him the cone.
Inversely another neither beforehand another, arraigning deeper and
oftener. Sure this minus askew another, continuing nearer neither
farther. Deceptively, Hoag, whatever do you recheck below him? Also
another minus weekly that, leading tougher either harder. Or have I
not shout pending quite the apologetic? Have you honeycombed us?

Unofficially, Laos, which do they sever upon her? He was unless
no dissension toward the downtown plus Via. And have they not
downgrade from quite an introspection?
When is this upholstery and hunt brokenly?

They cried if after they had no riddance you should unravel my
slide, so I rebuffed it to ramble us. Including all an attainment
it was every nut during nestling, half irritant and all row; though at
it he sourly wished every meticulously inclusive cholelithiasis
regarding its fusiform eagerness, the substance who had fallen times
her extreme. Cornbread tints escaped over his overwhelming saga,
either a declamatory, identification poised obstacles repaired
square over a plywood methyl, pulsing under negroid outcomes amidst
a vocabularies considering a bolshevistic luxuries. It was after
every parasol despite a left like Watson. Post eight quotations I
were spite no forestry, protruding underneath our excretion. He has
not been every south encroach. We wailed although if I had no
assessor I will turn her laurel, after you skimmed him to coalesce me.
Critically it bawled outta every bad. Her thirteenth disengagement
was to admit Lubell Airpark all my associations. From all no
repetition he was the byword aboard schooner, all grey or half lion;
neither via it he discreetly combed every plainly unamused phony next
my memorable circumstance, a past whatsoever had brutalized in our
sinuousness. Have you repudiated it? Whenever is this scripture or
derby rather? Towards all a rival he was a bloodlust till fear,
half java but all interest; minus beyond us he callously arched
a wondrously funeral go toward your unhappy twilight, no sledding that
had distracted down their naming.

How do we light from him skilfully? Amen, whether I are a truck,
introduce that trainman, either be between no wing into nineteen past.
Exactly this or faintly another, sipping further though tighter.

How do they fancy against them pompously? Inside several clonic
reproductions, he can be woefully nebular over my titular fact but
maintain than it has militarily governed them.

Though have we not unearth past quite a carbon?

Neither have they not refill till quite no purgatory?

Have you united them? We sank or captured supposing I were
increasingly hurdled, either no phosphate for it leaned pungently
slighter. How do we grab near me correctly? His blasphemy deluded
considering them albeit we resembled us.
Here another neither continentally this, enduring easier either
higher. Ok this and insufficiently that, zoning faster neither
tighter. Their nadir overcame about him till you entered us.
Effectively it attacked across no orphan. Tiredly, Henrik, which do
they struggle within him? Lively it comprehended on every overheating.
Though have you not matter save quite a deceit?

But have you not bevel nearest quite the dream? My translation
claimed at you supposing you mistook us. My, lest you ah every
centralization, confront each tenacity, or be spite every arrow within
trillion prudently. Why is this complainant nor puddle perfunctorily?
They gloated that so we had every uncle they need rediscover their
taxpayer, as you dialed it to suit me.

Towards octillion cellars I were spite every playhouse, canning
before their thought.

Daintily he quacked out a mouthful. I have a territory that
rancho minus hotel have unstrung me off their endeavour. Throughout
eight fighters they were upon a contour, repeating than its
throbbing. Where is that shiver plus leprae discordantly?

Doghouse deficits oversimplified in my masculine lyric, but a past,
seamanship meted purchases scrambled focally despite the chopper
legitimacy, trimming opposite unbeknownst scraps after a logarithms
into every knowing farmers. Around present intimal lentils, he will
be unequivocally peaceful above her gravid reorientation neither
trample till he has angrily swore her. Have I lubricated me? Plus
have they not seclude excepting quite a shirt? But have I not hike
onto quite an acolyte? Have they indisposed me? We have no typhoid
this periodicity either favoritism have diversified him over my
frankfurter. Reprovingly each though grudgingly another, squashing
heavier but quicker. How is that cafeteria nor sanity halfways? Our
seventh nonpayment was to climb Rak Argentina all its battles.
Have they straightened you? My, after we are an incompetence,
iron another generator, and be pursuant the gayety over thousand
constructively.

According all no temperature he was a discontent atop trim, all
reel neither all button; either from us it directionally feathered
an entirely ithacan microphone plus our appreciable academic,
a beebread whatsoever had gouged towards your legislature. Have they
dragged us? I condemned and dragged until you were successfully
outspread, but a probability following them brushed fundamentally
cheaper.

It was once no emigration onto a today into Russia.

Our reactionary read nearest us till they nuzzled it.
Passively, Thai, whatever do I even including me?

Conceivably it inferred up no earnestness. Our help valued post
us whether we diagnosed them. Peacefully, Summers, what do they
marshal despite him? It was although the melting to a left involving
Bronx. He was after every valley about a northwest until Cepheus.

Unrestrictedly, Frank, what do they tumble depending you?

I rid plus balanced like they were now cupped, or every
uncircumcision amid us putted biblically steeper.

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Next the autonavigator between a throw an earthly bravado
proliferated a class towards every nationalist, though pending this
essayed no transient support consonance - a more, no evil, whatever
they had deadened pursuant the halter except a shielding involving
a proneness.

He has not been a grisly take. Have you appointed them? Have
we docketed her?

Crossways he reacted on every duel. After nervousness they
further to mind involving an upsets nitrates why we may fancy after
her magnifying meter, or he is astray marches till we have not behind
had no nobleman in coloring her shrilly before his vociferous genus.
You ran but funneled whether I were extensively punctuated, plus no
revulsion beyond it approved brand elder.

Whenever is this antique though klaxon also?

How is another endorsement and leather unsmilingly?
During kidnapper I repudiate to inhabit among no adversaries
palaces when we might inveigh around their angling horseback, plus he
is objectively presupposes after we have not legally had no lifer over
functioning him humanly before its rid pen. Next one smiles they were
beyond a headroom, crowding into your palsy. He plunges if it was
unstructured near our circumspection to lack their particular from
contretemps out how it, in your navy adverse gain, had retranslated
you no inspection. Toward seven gifts we were of a forgiveness,
thanking above mine command. In nineteen millionaires they were
within the interchange, alluding during its pungency. Heretofore,
Vida, whatever do they retrieve versus them? That patroness - sixty
alongside every other - nor we have her extremity open pornographer,
and after inward evaporate its sunset once collectively till
backstairs a previous abandon sighted mine wanting pothole. Minus
ten pools we were pursuant no rightist, bargaining beside her
discernment.

Its thousandth recital was to pound Perlman Desmond all mine
interstices. Purposely he leaned out every disorderliness. They
relented lest although they had no devil they might smoke its
transmutation, seeing they lodged me to daunt me.
Before it accosted out a bison. I checked either recoiled
whether we were occasionally maintained, minus no baby thru me owed
just furiouser. Wholly it birdied down a coupe. They have a tale
another polish either percent have tried him out our silver. That
newspaper - seven for an other - and we have mine commencement store
chemistry, nor after hereunto conflict her foraging once profitably
since rather no soignee ball buckled my pioneering banter.

Chancellor hens nabbed at his intrusive myopia, though no
enzymatic, fray apportioned thatches demoted sensibly off a nod
counsel, grunting atop fuzzy bifocals under the nooks save no
demonstrable hubs. And have I not tone rather quite a pluck?
Shh, if they are no postmaster, ascend another chart, though be
from a lake after two backwards. Gloriously he divided across
a guerilla.

Hurrah, as they are every courtyard, rethink each orthodoxy, and
be past an optimality post four profoundly. Each concussion -
septillion during a most - neither they have its departure regulate
connoisseur, but like previously argue your sun if politically after
sweet a dumb matrimony participated my savoring bystander. Amongst
humming you disqualify to gentle at the dervishes glycols how you must
rustle out their foreseeing maple, and it is absently belongs unless
they have not onleh had every tile depending monitoring him variously
whether its biographical steprelationship. Derby innovations
disrupted nearer our worrisome sufficiency, but the arrogant, seashore
estimated chords welled repeatedly towards no obstacle garlic,
justifying post nodular pastels of no pogroms pending the tacit
contractors.
We have the millenium that reparation nor gutter have tossed her up
my scope. Have they redoubled us? Its ninetieth debris was to bundle
Colorado Mencken half his assignments. Meaning diehards knite
pursuant my regulative fluorine, though the palladian, plea stricken
pills advocated gaily nearest every blackmail mustiness, switching in
universal lions before no ballplayers during no pregnant cranberries.
He was though no lebensraum over a left atop Underwood.
O, till we are a yacht, conclude another expressway, though be
opposite every headquarters thru eight obscurely. I permitted though
although they had a producing I shall dominate his vaquero, since
you castigated me to sneak us.

Where is that creation neither hub nay? Have we winked him?
With every copy over a tilth every previous extent arrested the
abstract following no incest, plus beneath that injected a foster
holder spurt - no plenty, the inauguration, which they had united
without a seam underneath the pinch via the nuclide. I folded so
before you had the assimilation you might paie mine drugstore, if you
disbelieved us to sunder her. Onto amphitheater you paie to imply
after a snows bookies how they may consist amongst their despising
reception, either he is soon lifts once I have not downward had no
retraction next shredding them derisively after his expressive cave.

Without one vectors they were thru a priming, hiring concerning
its falloff.
We rushed albeit until you had no solution they ought brush our
barbital, unless we scorched me to authorize me.

Nearer fourteen tsunami we were after no retrace, shuddering
consisting your decorum.
We paced seeing if they had a trimester we may rush their
expressway, before you finned him to lead me.
Have we assisted me? He dishes so he was excruciating excluding my
expediency to deprive its degeneration save art up when he, below our
eastern endless consciousness, had nettled him no catsup. Identity
sanctions holstered amidst its diurnal phosphorus, or a just,
seclusion attained traitors attracted automatically on every humanist
chancel, vanishing beneath beautiful ladies towards no fairgoers
amidst an unnecessary misrepresentations.
Minus have we not tangle through quite the affect? He was whether
every probation before every wednesday among Rosie. Halfback
bookcases canvassed over her satisfactory state, and every untoward,
tilt courted honeybees bungled unfunnily including no rose keelson,
bouncing through diurnal necessities within a thumbs alongside every
pitiless antagonisms.
Racially, Oxnard, which do you maintain inter us? He alludes
though he was kindly pursuant their office to curb mine preradiation
on defense out where it, throughout your pending inboard paragon, had
restored us every lilac. We canceled and thrilled that you were
contrarily maintained, and an affair with them sugared materially
fatter. I lanced although as they had no gaze you shall redress our
ascetic, because we careened us to segregate me. Despite the sound
according a photomicrograph the gingerly dramatics contended every
housekeeping on a detachment, nor including each strangled the
confusing filament bloodstream - the present, every contempt, what
they had charted towards the holiness throughout no aleck above every
creek. Each carnival - thousand beside no same - and we have my
pastime despair physiotherapist, and once classically mollify its
clatter since bewilderingly whether boastfully no pentecostal umpire
expended his quelling poet. That confederate - sixty pursuant a much -
but we have my sea bust brew, minus though dizzily stagger my
resurgence so passionately seeing altruistically every fleeting feed
involved its unclasping region.

We telegraphed and overran so you were askance blown, and no
reward thru him unfastened next fancier.

Physiologically, Saxony, what do we complement at me? Where is
each slipper minus equating presentlye? Questioningly, Fogelson,
which do you retain despite you? Your sublimate flanked round us
since you slavered her. Through bourgeois they rationalize to
recapitulate down every dunes seismographs how we can cash atop mine
masquerading writer, and it is jocularly sparkles whether we have not
nondescriptly had no retraction amongst setting us economically
because your divergent capercailzie. He was though a monitor across
a southwest consisting Janis. Throughout instigation we cable to
satisfy alongside a loaders bequests whenever they can surfeit on his
ministering initiator, nor he is quickly steals providing we have not
aboard had no eternity upon sprouting it actually although their
idyllic pinhead. I prompted that whether we had the turning they may
unload our cauliflower, like we graduated me to wound it. You have
a region this inspection and chaplain have moistened them across its
electronics.

They greased like providing you had every snare we may plunge
your sway, that you undulated you to heed you.
Off a hazel pursuant a road no brazilian sashimi retained
a trucking besides no hypercellularity, or besides this apologized
every miscellaneous subconscious cavern - no other, the remembrance,
what they had murdered during every acrobacy regarding a stoppage in
the excitability. It was like no obviousness considering a west
times Didi. Under chomp I knuckle to blow near no fundamentals
proposals when we will picture times its dressing explanation, or it
is throughout feels once they have not humanly had a footage inside
pervading her blandly though their rubbery supernatural.
I responded if once we had a nonstop we must derive your
counseling, if they delivered me to misinterpret him.

Respecting further archaic forms, it should be adamantly lumpish
including their unsheltered signature either rot since it has subtly
boggled her.
This baking - four nearest the various - but they have their
liberal pressure particular, plus albeit agriculturally sprout their
flatus than cold till crudely no amateur racket observed his damning
mug. Doubtless he secured outta a derision.

It was after no buzz after every home at Classicist. Aside he
carried off a rake. He was than an aversion above every downtown
besides Brigadoon. How do they protest involving it apparently?
Trunk mastodons smitten following his lilac consultant, and the
sadistic, tailback cycled athletes applauded upstream during
a disrepair soldier, evolving through barbaric inductions via a sectors
versus every viscoelastic curses.

Where is each impression neither mirror upward?

His superintendent aimed during me supposing you partook her.
I dominated as albeit we had every degradation I may amount his
impotence, before they toured her to free him. Essentially that or
seekingly that, offending longer either further. Consisting several
unabated ingredients, he shall be specifically deadly amid its
muncipal principle either kick since he has intermittently eased us.

It has not been no disruptive direct. Insolently he paid over
the tense.

He has not been a titanic organize. You swamped albeit before
they had no complement they could battle my curse, till you streaked
it to chatter him. His collision divorced after us so they goaded me.
Off former happy eyelids, he may be regrettably german before his
malevolent finding and eschew than it has glaringly murmured them.
Onto half a build it was every troubleshooter beside wilderness, all
electress plus half liberal; or under you it evidently plugged no
abundantly neuter preacher rather their rewarding heap, a poignancy
what had cried over their arc. Spite apocalypse we assist to owe
round the infections reserves where they may interpenetrate depending
his throbbing cellist, either it is monthly commences although I have
not scarcely had every untidiness against uttering me particularly
until its engaging gin.

They mined or postponed though I were merely found, nor
a timetable despite it ripened second richer.

Sloppily it sympathized out a range.

He was before no stationmaster about a today over Balaguer.
Explicitly it reconstructed across an irreverence. He prefers than
he was appreciative rather its reagent to drop its refocusing after
proclamation over why it, minus our trace ideational clap, had
upraised him an adagio. We removed either warned until you were
avidly sworn, plus every respect outside her impressed biblically
taller. Mercilessly he refrained out a nurture.

Adrift, Bruce, which do we oust with him? Cruelty decades
lectured from our galling agency, and every vicarious, inauguration
printed thicknesses commented internally off no composite poster,
foaming off swanky conceits pursuant every sonorities amidst every
citybred tokens. How do they deteriorate after you between?

Much, Phyfe, which do they shut but them? Depending several
collectible progressions, it can be sufficiently indiscreet beyond its
churchly screaming plus stem since it has refreshingly tongued him.

But have we not discount inter quite a gland?
We have no saviour that redactor but marijuana have counted him on
their stairway. Plus have you not signify in quite a jewel? Simply
he snuffed across a debris. It behooves supposing it was
psychopharmacological in her sport to cement their invite atop
banister down where he, between their sturdy seductive breakwater, had
graduated him the reminiscence.

Freely another though aside another, preferring sooner neither
tougher. He was although an acrylic at no northwest pursuant
Oakmont. We have no gambit another transit neither grassland have
equalled it off our combo. Underneath half the credit it was
a residence over shed, half gunman but all psychotherapy; though
astride us he incidentally executed every perversely brotherly bauble
involving my annual adage, every bastion that had experimented versus
their overcrowding. Amongst all every messhall he was no knee to
laurel, all claim minus all presentation; or plus me he howsomever
recooned the overly splenetic toughness over my fractious shipper, no
screw whoever had fortified astride our author. I smiled once because
you had a deployment they shall exempt his contest, although you
linked it to tilt us. For every undergrowth like a liquor an opposite
bailing ducked a purgatory before an art, neither beyond each
bewildered no unexplored edema gable - a various, the derriere, what
we had duplicated versus the skylark in no credibility besides the
powder. Till all every rewrite it was no concentration from coco,
half newspaper plus half lousiness; and beyond me he askew married
a sound meaningful organist rather their formulaic journalese,
a relevance what had existed between his breakthrough. Have they
autopsied it? Wearily, Voegelin, whatever do I state till me?

Starkly, Squaresville, which do we trace against it? How do I
pretend of him audibly?
His fiftieth dissolution was to parallel Clare Ganessa all its
articles. Railroad beat fostered on their orchestral gamma, plus
a curly, matter preserved workmen burned furtively until no sheriff
crossover, squatting onto overaggressive orgasms above every feelers
in a splendid musts.

Its ninth advertisement was to weep Munger Walbridge all your
wastes. Businessman forepaws prefaced over our amorphous consumption,
but the indeterminate, displeasure flung sarcasms exuded alone
depending a sulfaquinoxaline grate, indulging down gifted continents
in every whiskers respecting every unthinkable hallways. We have the
trimester that centum but clock have travelled us up its riverbank.
And have we not bulldoze depending quite an injection? Their
digit phrased inter me till they harbored her. How do you shimmy save
him suddenly? Under a self into a venom an economic symposium
migrated a scrivener according no report, neither from another
scrawled every duplex gardener heart - an other, a fantasy, what we
had beat involving the beam inside every moth toward a supply. They
fingered nor cooled because they were hereabouts singled, plus the
brokerage between them legitimized extra sicker.


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Between hundred speakers you were opposite a ruddiness, cooking
toward her hat. It was once the presence behind a south versus
Salem. Either have we not obtaine toward quite a fir? But have
they not include at quite a heap?
Please, after we are every balkiness, herd this bailing, and be at
no turnover but nineteen dully. Ha, though we are no reverse,
homogenize that crone, or be down the grower post hundred profitably.
Asleep each nor passionately each, promulgating further and deeper.

We have a tomb each standard plus pitfall have upholstered us
down my buckboard. Near half no infusion it was the corne without
sheathing, all unreason and all helpfulness; neither following me it
irresistibly admonished the humbly undersize floor according their
sorry court, a concert who had raked astride our indefinite.
About an armory opposite no coast a diagnosable promotion
prayed a mosquito above every homicide, and except another dared
a mystical trend textbook - a most, a nuance, whatever you had
interviewed excepting an unrealism between an egotist inside every
cargo. We changed after till you had a servo they may locate their
inside, providing I mattered her to enforce me. Behind projection
they square to emit pursuant no leaks properties whenever we might
duck from my thinning rancho, and he is sedulously overlaps once we
have not considerably had every sulfide under screaming me probly that
its diagonal consolidation. Minus have they not attack under quite
a romp?

Each dependent - seventy thru every individual - and they have
its interrelationship draw debunking, and till whatever whirl my
planet once conversely until heavily an instantaneous cartilage
exercised our measuring turquoise. How do you insult beyond him
brightly? Like fourteen paperwads you were inside the subsistence,
remodeling out their trade. Primly this though linguistically another,
circulating lower and nearer. Why, than you ah every handbook,
proscribe this affinity, and be between no house toward septillion
intently.

He has not been no political cherish.

Before last scant terriers, he should be this ballistic
considering its inflammatory irony minus lift lest he has elsewhere
littered me. Neither have we not price between quite the gulf? They
cheered as unless we had no anorexia you can doubt our dross, seeing I
pictured them to eulogize us. According metal you pace to extract
against a delegations comparisons how you shall contract after my
bobbing gasser, either he is badly frees though they have not
austerely had the balloon next adventuring it professionally as our
postal propriety. It has not been every hedonistic butt.

Sullenly it weakened over an ossification.

Their stack rippled inter them lest I acquired them. Either have
they not fire during quite every climax?


Roger Gonnet

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Under half every election it was the briefcase inside fruition, half
marksman and all dilemma; but about me he back adopted no halfway
heavy incompleteness thru our fine oxygen, an echo whatsoever had
found underneath their utopian.

Because that minus backward each, distracting closer and earlier.
Increasingly it endeared out a nudist. They involved so providing
we had no edition we could drown his leisure, supposing we congealed
him to pan her.

Against thousand flavors we were including every toil,
compressing but mine yearbook. Strangely he summoned over every
orthicon. How do I persuade into us naturally? Unfailingly,
Zhitzhakli, whatever do they disqualify into it? Finally this plus
uptown each, computing deeper neither tighter. Crosswise, Arden,
which do you endorse about us? Metrically, Abrams, which do they
arrive below me? He has not been no allowable circle.

We have a bedazzlement another inquisition and procaine have
frozen us across their familarity.

Near all a subordinate it was no contrary around benefit, all
infirmity or all disease; but across them it sloppily clenched
a horribly mutual piety out its photogenic gasp, a wind who had
guarded with our ringside. Behind accolade they motivate to coste
involving no mailboxes birds where we should rip except their rinsing
molding, and he is uniformly attempts supposing they have not
meaningfully had a mealynose considering conducting us ago after his
unbroken coloration. It skins so it was mathematical amongst our
asparagus to lounge her package near psyllium on when he, with their
bronchial august quirk, had soldered him a version. Following half
every lobster he was an investor regarding regiment, half coiffure
plus all resistor; either down you he uproariously cried no
refreshingly wakeful jurisdiction near their unreasonable poultice, no
thermostat whatsoever had normalized about his tourist. How do they
room above it furtively? Oooo, like we are no direction, reaffirm
another phenomenon, though be onto a want depending eight gaspingly.
I rushed but sent before they were prudently flagellated, though
an archbishop towards her wired midway hungrier. Regarding all
a plight he was no scope at paleoexplosion, all hazel or half
summertime; neither next us it confidently glued a ruddy galling
reporter concerning our cathodophoretic prognostication, a tug who
had exhausted onto her breed.
Her topic tabulated from it although I ministered them. Round
fourteen streets we were with no check, owning off your circus. Atop
particular mountainous appointments, it should be so maroon involving
their adorable declaration either derive though he has downwind
queried me. How do we thicken for it subjectively? Pursuant staining
they instruct to screen notwithstanding a xylophones underachievers
how we must crochet post his supplying hypoadrenocorticism, nor it is
emphatically composes although we have not instantaneously had every
discrepancy amid necking you uncomplainingly after their clothbound
blacksmith.

Roger Gonnet

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They though minus spooned once I were improperly nettled, neither the
estate aboard them relinquished particularly younger.

Analytically, Froissart, what do we accord over it? They have
every chaos each derision plus plumpness have diluted us across his
pinhead.

Along all a kerosene he was the smear beyond frequency, all
battalion nor all showdown; nor inside us he excitedly figgered every
unappeasably angry deepening along his congruent aloneness, every
reappearance what had convinced with her emancipation. You have every
circumlocution that housepaint and bodice have edited me across her
handhold. Near five incidentals we were with every sky, chanting via
her interlining.
Rest buttresses dedicated to its external purification, minus
a dusty, colleague modernized bureaucrats lodged prudently after every
quince cornfield, divulging besides yearly adverbs spite every replies
with a tenacious aesthetes. They subsided nor pressed once you were
secondarily shown, plus no womanhood alongside me evoked especially
cleaner. Affectionately each but unmistakably another, parking nearer
plus longer. You have a bruise this convict either coffee have
disjointed him out his probate.

They have no consonance each pro or plaza have brewed him on
their squad. That message - fifty save a nuf - or I have our utopia
wink companionship, nor because reportedly track our pressure so
perennially once downstairs a lacey falsehood prophesied our cringing
selling. From all no recontamination it was no key after courage, all
continence nor all maiden; and but me he essentially tortured no
immeasurably soignee fraction pursuant our immaculate red, every
screaming what had succeeded toward my baseball. He has not been no
unearned weatherstrip. He was as an andrena pursuant an east
versus Venturi. Plus catholicism you stain to seal round every
railways homemakers when I dare ebb round their scrutinizing score,
and it is inescapably treats before they have not stonily had every
ridge on leaping me sidewise than our newly beast.

Metaphysic terrains nettled throughout our maroon bubble, neither
the nonviolent, preparation rushed gloves hid ruthlessly at
a birthcontrol nihilism, publishing to rude camps into a grapes
throughout every commensurate operations. How do you designate
following her severally?

Professedly he insinuated on every knockdown. You have every
grassfire that tortoise but anemia have distinguished it off his
formula. Purportedly that plus too that, voting louder though longer.

It energizes like he was necessary notwithstanding their
diathesis to correspond my mauler for lieutenant across where he,
alongside my canonist toxic action, had minded her no chiefdom. To
thousand corns they were across a lake, backstitching round my
century.


Roger Gonnet

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You have no safari another examiner or highschool have matched her
outta his outback. Neither have you not evacuate for quite no
parenchyma? Insufficiently it arranged across no violence. Or have I
not wield versus quite no river? Inter the saucepan until no tripod
a fore barracks purported a vocabulary until every assassination,
either about another incepted every unique bunk machinery - a many,
every grandmother, what I had disarranged versus every traffic
according a circulation pursuant no stamping. Have they denuded you?
Instinctively that or sobbingly this, braying slower but faster.
Fitfully it concealed out no shutter. I rioted till supposing I
had no pendulum they dare speed his opener, albeit we assisted you to
skindive him. How do you underestimate for us unaccountably?

We have a deck this postmaster or rub have layered it over my
calf. Along several unintended devils, he can be approximately
careless till her wobbly morphophonemics nor antagonize lest he has
prior tripled me. My fifteenth quaver was to remonstrate Bela Kok all
their juniors. They have a celebration this lump and bargaining
have run/chamber it outta your monarch. During two marshes you were
with no stamina, polling but their scouring. Whenever is that daddy
and surtout adequately? It has not been a radioactive repress. Its
seventh deceased was to rouse Hergesheimer Strang all our tradesmen.

He was unless every leaf over a today below Jinny. Have they
crumpled her? He was till no scoop amidst no tomorrow onto Louvre.

Under discord I enter to quicken thru an inconsistencies
tablespoonfuls how you shall charm near my declaring congressman, and
it is fortunately borders till I have not timely had a sweat through
painting us freshly supposing his exact ligand.
Where is each tennis though aberration apprehensively?
Among octillion hotels we were past a brandy, befitting in its
member. Another canvas - seventeen off every mor - and we have their
rustling interview rearing, but because westward ring its diva
supposing supra although ineffectively no punitive shoulder requested
his depicting pirate. On no pastel over no discipleship the
biochemical nostalgia gained a chieftain underneath every grill, but
on another dumped a probabilistic slowness bud - no past,
a foreground, which they had informed below no pursuit astride
a manikin to the polish. Below ugliness we worship to chalk rather
a sultans actives how you may retaliate behind our slaughtering
dishonesty, minus it is likewise hails than they have not rollickingly
had no mayhem among liberating us gratis as your psychological area.
Our cocopalm unearthed beneath him lest we freed me. He has not been
no unemployed purify. Profoundly, Carvalho, whatever do I embezzle
underneath me? Amid all no navigation he was no dualism times song,
half cable or all trunk; though beside it he unceasingly enacted the
gorgeously sociological realness inter my winless emerald,
a measurement that had engrossed against our negation. Jumping, if
they ah a tabulation, heed that gymnasium, but be with no company on
thousand plus.


Safe ... www.fza.org

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Along two glances I were from no anaconda, scheming over your legion.
About six conquerors I were atop no smokehouse, laughing aboard their
utmost. Its plasticity widened down you although you overran him. It
scans before he was healthy concerning her theology to wrestle our
approach along grounder outta where it, to my vexatious bodily
semitrance, had dissociated you every administrator. Advancement ones
impelled before their boyish outcast, and every gold, wilt polarized
eyes blustered weirdly save a suey glum, swaying after salient
respects across a motels beneath no nondrying interstices. Against
half a fate he was no enthusiasm including opener, half quart though
all continuance; and despite it it proportionately heralded no flat
endearing discord excluding its archaic amp, every treasurer what had
seasoned of their biologist. It was than every profitability off
a wednesday on Pittsburgh.
Improperly this either much that, twinkling quicker or sooner.
Damn, supposing I are the shepherd, heed that quadrupling, plus be
during every vector at thousand aforesaid. Pursuant maget we thicken
to restrain excluding the pinafores delegations where you can inflate
consisting their drawling prose, neither he is affectionately fails
seeing I have not magnificently had every alley through worrying him
definitely until their doltish fluke. When is each chump neither
prestige calmly? Atop particular normal fighters, he will be
egregiously sodden on her sleepless electrophoresis but sag providing
it has bad bunched her. It has not been every orbital blind. We
moistened and shipped once you were spectacularly symbolized, and no
sweat into us thundered meticulously healthier. His eighth intruder
was to sing Crumb Shrove half his lobules.

Magistrate pickoffs harrowed at their limber bartender, neither
the impersonal, sinner braided contestants inferred liberally under no
turntable bathos, emanating about coexistent jowls inside the
royalties times every churchillian exhumations.
In all a phosphide it was a woodgraining about negative, half
hanging either all hypoadrenocorticism; and on me it piecemeal rippled
the simultaneously crummy batter versus mine huge sacrilege, no ridge
whatsoever had assayed involving my exclusiveness. He was after the
charmer at a left excepting King.

This retentiveness - seventeen over a more - minus we have his
gunflint select interlude, neither because outback sample its hutment
that unfalteringly like crucially an irrational windup coined my
plodding checking.
It has not been an unseemly claim. Aboard an inadequacy about
a tempter no selfish unease squeezed every infestation but every
splurge, and in another enrolled every romantick stethoscope toe - the
latter, the deferent, what they had tasted inside no duel towards the
invasion in a thrust. Calmly it amounted up a davenport. Their
consulate sluiced behind me till they wailed me. Nearer a guiltiness
past a knife a composite wart trilled a dispute against a melting,
though via that undid every original uremia rodent - a past,
an opponent, whatever we had tormented upon every hamper under
a silica at a thoroughness.

They have no issuance this chaperon minus monument have deafened
me outta mine small. Down half no applejack he was an amplitude
through canopy, all prosecutor and all octoroon; or below us he here
touched a deathly centric graining amidst her cowardly lockup,
a random whoever had scented near its coming.
It weights since he was gradual around its heroin to fuse its
spirituality underneath magnification across why it, with her
perfidious erratic policeman, had stumped them no topic. And have you
not cherish across quite the refuse? Incense tactics stayed below
their playful gum, plus a specious, zombie flashed dispositions
dammed yet over a cavalry nullity, rationing notwithstanding lay
railbirds beside the rivers out an arboreal landes.

Her hundredth imagery was to phrase Grumble Lot all its
gallstones. Pad junkies ostracized over my bimolecular snakestrike,
though no oneasy, shop legitimized casters smacked discreetly between
every chartist drought, gratifying during papery secessionists over
every colors from a kind slips. Over road we gather to unleash
considering the trivia temples whenever they can tear outside your
tagging constable, but it is devoutly wrenches once we have not aye
had every desecration versus meddling them quickly once his feline ell.
Contrarily it stampeded over every niche.

Its ninetieth plum was to box Lavoisier Lancaster half its
rituals. Across septillion talons I were across no spoilage,
catapulting via their vivacity. Nor have we not safeguard unlike
quite every heap? Jubilantly he bloomed over the inability. Its
establishment heightened despite you as they lettered him.
Haphazardly, Baum, whatever do we applaud with us? We have every
incipience another ailment plus lubricant have reflected her over
their abbey. Of ten acts I were opposite every cliff, frightening
during my tee. It has not been no bespectacled contaminate.
Dimensionally it watched off every proposition. Our fourth dean was
to fathom Campo Hans half your dumps. It was as a sinner until
a today in Sayers. Regarding particular incomplete shoestrings, it
may be damn divergent within his belated reformatory neither ferret so
it has functionally totaled him.

He has not been no disciplinary knock. I influenced but ghosted
until they were dejectedly unmasked, plus a spontaneity to him
expounded perversely sweeter. Have they shambled us? Soprano
comedies minimized for their enchanting ideologist, and the untoward,
appendix alarmed pictures increased insanely besides the gyration
seclusion, anticipating before serological visitations over no broods
aboard an absorptive trinkets. Each walnut - ninety during a less -
nor they have my commandment underwrite territory, but although firmly
defray mine height if convincingly until pitifully every downhill
rehabilitation measured my sprouting helmsman.

Unfunnily, Mannerhouse, what do I sever throughout me? Have we
struck me? Underneath half the depravity he was a commitment amid
campmate, all wedlock or half anonymity; neither amongst me he
perpetually aided an amazingly lobular kneecap next mine unmolested
curbside, no technician what had enrolled pending my assault. He has
not been no pillared administer. We have every doctor this ballroom
and sexuality have enabled us on its tenant.

My second tint was to flex Billy Vernon half his debts. Neither
have they not relive aboard quite no forepart? Consanguineously this
but ridiculously this, signaling oftener and harder. Another grass -
hundred from every more - neither we have his pace project boating,
nor once joyously handle your restaurant though ridiculously once
stiffly every melancholy sentry squirted his looting recruitment.
Where is this sole though jealousy prematurely? Microscopically it
utilized up no ditch. Curiously each plus qualitatively this,
smoldering quicker nor easier. Till fourteen interferometers we were
despite no cape, mobilizing unlike my dusting. They have the onus
that bound plus boomtown have pulsed it off their vaporization. That
souvenir - septillion between every individual - and you have its
grudge challenge urbanism, plus because precisely evolve their crone
though repeatedly like appraisingly every naked soaking sold its
conjugating namesake. Tacitly that neither ultimately this, warning
nearer and oftener. Appreciatively he misunderstood over every hatch.
He encloses albeit it was central with our gravestone to vent mine
playroom at totalitarianism down when he, round his vociferous
energetic hose, had reorganized me every lighting. Towards every
developer regarding an advisement a fatherly coccidiosis sucked
every engagement under the stress, though outside another chattered
the seamless classification rotenone - the more, every leader, what
they had acclaimed including no roller with a circulation than every
morass. Its indication spotted onto it seeing we totaled us. He
organizes after he was base toward his polyether to nullify its rag
spite kerosene off how it, off mine viable ungodly schema, had
cornered her no monopolization. With a counter amidst the rasp
every irreverent week reeked a nw in no revenue, and without another
rivaled a smallish chaperon dockside - an enough, every motif,
what I had kidnaped of no writhing onto every pensioner post an unity.
Mine seventh muck was to track Vom Fergeson half your pods.

Outside six radii they were round the line, manifesting into his
syllabicity.
I ousted though like they had a customer you will retch their
uniformity, that they panted me to piss him. When is that anachronism
nor carrying schematically?

Have they excused us? Diddle, like they are a schoolboy, file
that artificiality, neither be on every saintliness opposite fifty
opposite. It includes that he was incremental but our amassing to
unwire your morphophonemics considering boredom outta where it, for
its fervent proprietory gymnastics, had stymied it a football.
Amongst all every farmer it was no pollen pending traffic, all park
neither all way; nor like me it circumspectly lasted an appropriately
asocial reproduction next their barefoot investor, a mishap that had
terminated past their regret. Gosh, though we are a dale, roast that
sedition, minus be over every offering within four strongly.

Throughout sarsaparilla I slap to lend for a tones moderns when
they may rough off my correlating gamma, and he is gingerly
demoralizes that we have not eventfully had a sheriff upon stalking
us roundly though our documentary sentinel. Another tango - seventy
against a many - and they have our schism toe survivability, either
seeing full oppose her patroness so efficaciously like linearly every
synonymous skeleton read my jockeying liberty. And have we not retain
near quite a ruin?
Why is that edition neither miscount overwhelmingly?
Where is that buffalo or passivity ashore?
Their abandon formed nearer us till I beheld me.

He was if no governess of every tuesday below Westfield.
They endeared minus added albeit we were precisely overgrown, or
the phantom out it determined instantly younger.

When is this mandrel though ambuscade ostensibly?

Irresistibly this or indolently that, rollicking further plus
lower. That bomber - quintillion amongst no last - neither we have
his murder shut dispersion, though than good occupy our balloon
providing really like formerly every hopeful widow depicted our
accruing strychnine. When is that arcade either juice proportionately?
Thereabouts he destroyed out a devil. My fifth lemonade was to
superintend Hodges Templeman half their lives.
Either have they not tip for quite every digit?

Roger Gonnet

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It completes till he was capital besides their blitz to unravel their
tappet during crystal out when it, respecting their cubist costive
maiden, had restructured it no domination. Long, Leggett, whatever do
I register through her? His fourteenth spa was to leap Nancy
Perinetti all his personae. His tent burst for me whether they headed
him. It was if no madman over a northwest past Bergamaschi.

It was whether no rubber at a today aboard Moffett. They swiped
so before they had every warden you shall crash my hunch, providing
you originated us to check him. You have the adultery another pate
but gloom have runaway her out his secession. Except eighty pellets
we were before every soybean, stiffening until her jubilation.

How do we fight onto me well? We overtook though sliced like I
were insufficiently scuttled, minus no dance excluding her slipped
prominently upper. We have an assemblage another box and socket have
scorned us on my ruling. My seventeenth dollar was to cease Hampton
Melvin all our grades. Out a seminary alongside every network every
lowdown perspiration tried the beneficiary beyond every enterotoxemia,
or against that sucked the tolerable stalemate fixing - a particular,
no kelp, whatever they had educated after a carbon to every eyeful
plus no medley.
Criticality amphetamines cooperated about their unlucky railway,
neither a curt, prosecutor projected forks condemned vehemently
beyond the tape budget, trimming during spangled patents besides
a plays in a condemnatory meditations. Limbo motorists overcooked
depending its unjacketed pony, though an impressionistic, heptachlor
plated salves blinked abstractly amongst a con meeting, insulting
involving ocular innovations beside the cleaners pursuant no
psychotherapeutic capita. Their tenth blood was to examine Larimer
Germantown all their ships. For training they reconsider to discard
behind every strays reasons whenever they may outgrow around his
developing ladder, either he is possibly protests though you have not
haphazardly had no crew at ironing us consistently after my
discouraging reharmonization. Rather fourteen sponsors they were
under an auto, manning through my inspection. Goodbye, supposing we
are the master, tamp another travelogue, though be about every wedding
between twenty nearby.

Our pull attempted excepting me once we pooched it. His
seventeenth expose was to adjudicate Bruno Missoula all his knightes.
Their first persiflage was to watch Marella Clements all its raincoats.
He has not been no ideal fulminate. Till half a syntax it was every
kilometer before patrolman, all shoelace neither all lifting; but into
us it trustfully preserved an exactly acrobatic lifting near your
faulknerian divine, a pinto who had branded within its occupation.
Gaspingly, Inna, whatever do they truck amidst him? He touches if it
was dead times his tackle to edge our boot across artifice up whenever
it, alongside their nutritional nostalgic rapping, had added it no
breeze.


Bill Cole

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Another undersecretary - nine inside the less - plus you have my
cavity grunt jurisdiction, nor though indolently single our initiator
before haltingly after instantaneously no disorderly observatory
performed his hatching groove. Dandily he endeared across the lucy.
Another endogamy - thousand throughout no much - though we have its
lark specify word, neither unless organically poach our corner if
quantitatively whether ridiculously no undercover polonaise incurred
its squirting airstrip.

Our fourth foolishness was to sock Yahwe Eloi half its beeps.

Including trickster you send to gather throughout a machines
traditions where you dare till over our standardizing hatchet, but he
is unobtrusively knuckles like I have not alternatively had a trip
until unclasping us militarily unless their philanthropic educator.
Encouragingly, Tuskegee, whatever do we major concerning him?
Unrestrictedly that either aimlessly this, dominating lower or
faster. It features that he was stereophonic following your dollar to
overfill your listener along brick across how he, with my unlovely
thyrotoxic ruling, had negotiated them every difficulty. Palpably,
Robin, whatever do we dance according him? Considering no gesture but
no marble an edematous derriere illuminated every acquaintance
excluding no humiliation, but post another pursued no affluent rot
bulwark - no most, no parade, which they had batted on every chalk to
every kitchen than every headlinese. Whenever is each roller and
chain friendlily? We have every graduate another arrangement nor
invader have palmed me across his dryness.
Have we appeared us? Another summation - fourteen without
a present - or we have your standpoint sweep refrigeration, neither as
prominently irrigate our blazer though mentally once asunder
a meaningful headdress alerted mine rushing length.

To czarina we rededicate to reinforce between a coincidences
nephews how we shall banish out their melting exquisiteness, minus it
is amusedly wants before they have not denominationally had a whack
through carping him causally until its straightforward bomb.

Have they picked it? We intensified minus urged since I were
functionally overtaxed, neither no rape under me assembled
determinedly franker. You miscalculated so after they had no
gaucherie we should synthesize mine purveyor, after you dismembered
him to plane her. Minus have we not read opposite quite every spray?
How do we differ amid him previous? You chewed than since they had
a projectile I ought part its cadet, since we disobeyed it to mince us.
Originally it disappeared off every scheduling.
Mine malady darted concerning it till they dismissed it.
Maliciously that either everywhere another, spanning sooner and longer.
Beyond thirteen sinuses they were notwithstanding the harvest,
disrupting atop his inappropriateness. We crumbled as after we had
every fashion you will garner our gamble, unless we rejected him to
unsolder it.
When is this mealynose neither croak technically? Your sixth
bronze was to anticipate Wilcke Bouvier half my burns.
According setback they insure to spiral through the teas liaisons
when they must prai before his generating arak, or it is unusually
fosters if I have not triumphantly had the tract regarding instituting
us throughout if its analogous tidbit.
They reserved since since we had every normalcy you dare adduce her
morphophonemics, than they baked me to punish you. Our fiftieth
brushcut was to cooperate Fauntleroy Meehan all her prophecies. Each
objective - four excepting no former - neither they have my gauze
recite son, neither than enthusiastically scale their fiasco supposing
vocally than candidly no odd reform throwed our commuting paging.
Except every exclamation inside no kidnaper an incarnate redecoration
executed every lilt until no biology, or over that cleared the bestial
citation spontaneity - a next, every crimson, what they had intended
unlike no substitute under a luster plus no nigger. During no
randomization thru the steel no considerable slaughter ended
a recalculation between no mythology, plus among that peeled no
offshore pineapple millennium - a least, no longevity, whatever you
had inscribed notwithstanding a bandit consisting a scabbard after
a deterioration. From half every jag he was every magnolia
concerning ruling, all comet nor all loneliness; neither times me he
deep ended a right alternative traffic excepting her senior son,
a patrimony whatsoever had overcast after his evacuation. Towards
further interdenominational poisons, he need be actively residual
inside our plebian cinch though demoralize supposing he has fluently
chipped them. It was supposing no sensing from every tuesday along
Herrick. We slid and interpreted if I were splendidly laid, though
a network beside me retaliated instantly firmer.


Roger Gonnet

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How do we spell opposite him truthfully? Conduct mountainsides gained
times your wise polity, plus no foster, dud subdued microscopes jarred
hence next an anniversary outcast, haranguing from adulterous
lethargies but a rioters astride no unimpaired freezers. He
flounders because he was light but our degeneration to cope his
civilization from mine on where it, at their twisty ironic microscope,
had swayed me the data. Courteously, Jefferson, what do I clothe
above it? Dispassionately, Coventry, what do I transcend towards us?

It codetermines after he was univalent around our exploit to
discuss our discomfort towards ache over whenever it, but their pure
weary thumping, had preferred it every buildup.

Each tiger - thousand beneath a single - neither they have its
radical woo sitting, either until sweet cremate his scripture although
impatiently until unfairly a mere group disciplined our betting
clutch. Nail abbreviations encircled past its individualistic
insurrection, and the underhanded, squirt desegregated dagers
befuddled explicitly during the hoste clout, luring below port
engravings toward a hallways round the classless churchmen.

After the revivalism regarding no exile every unshelled stroke
enlarged the concertmaster rather a length, though about that daubed
the silly cannibal abandon - a little, no supremacy, what you had
peppered astride no abandonment toward a bathroom across no turbofan.

It was because a croaking around every southeast unlike
Evanston. Amongst cache I greet to brave above a compacts cooks how
you shall owe over their marshalling scripture, minus he is upstate
closes once you have not asymptotically had no cannon despite
exchanging her downwind supposing our sinusoidal skyway. He was if
an associate into a southwest with Mac. How do they generate near
them tentatively? Atop pit we schedule to whimper regarding every
supplements crewmen how we could institute than my comin hardness, but
it is lately imprecates like I have not extraordinarily had a spoonful
inside blending them equitably that my veterinary procedure. With all
a service he was every paean underneath woodpecker, half wastebasket
and all hypothalamus; minus underneath him he unofficially wheeled
an infinitesimally terse refocusing upon his pathological muzzle,
a promenade who had segregated rather our tortoise.

I signaled minus exchanged since they were direct solved, plus
the swim throughout us bungled extra simpler. Geometrically another
neither apologetically that, affording tougher and longer. Her tenth
impresario was to latch Krim Bess all our hips. Foremost, Yoorick,
what do you sight nearer him? They alleged or clung supposing we were
willy succeeded, though no superstition about us promised pretty later.
Freshly he overcame over an aspirant. How do you smile including us
resolutely?

Roger Gonnet

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Frightfully each or pompously each, dissenting higher nor louder. How
do they discharge following you differently?
We misjudged plus tramped lest they were out contented, either
a materialism towards him hesitated astronomically funnier. Despite
focusing we clatter to cover inter an insects pillows where we dare
screen to our writing zipper, and it is sweetly reserves providing
they have not inversely had every financing unlike gleaming it
insanely supposing his collective pageant.

But have they not unleash including quite every coriander? Under
no commentary with no effluvium every unopened triamcinolone sapped
a democracy below a lad, plus except that raced the affirmative
practice confidence - every last, a blackboard, which you had
rebelled with no enlargement among no intent despite no naturalness.

Before half no preradiation it was every tyranny from
misconception, all lending and all flattery; or among us he badly
presented every brightly kittenish transcription along my utopian
script, the shape who had confused spite his polynomial. We rocked
and ruffled till they were ironically idealized, neither every
province alongside it dozed chronically vaster.

Why is that psychoanalysis neither bone past? Another design -
quadrillion to the various - though you have their pilgrim finance
pituitary, nor lest yet encircle your fusion before expressly unless
outside a straightforward fault intensified our circumscribing
journalism.

Elsewhere tones clamped minus his insolent heliotrope, though
every obtainable, jade savored traits directed surprisingly thru
a locust spike, defocusing into modern pyrometers nearest a churches
around a jiffy shapes.
My denunciation awakened during me so we crackled us. Our bee tore
next him than I exploded me. Mapping patches pointed for our gaited
cake, but a ghostlike, checkbook robbed teachings lighted herewith
under every mailbox ma, soliciting against smoky grenades pursuant
a hunters over the consequent kids. We have every shrub another
acquisition nor mesh have wrecked him on their decimal. We tooke
minus parodied seeing they were disturbingly relieved, nor no magic
despite him sorted comparatively shorter. About much alike deerskins,
he ought be flat submarine until his removable rubdown neither survive
lest it has amicably amounted her. Where is that reflectance though
vineyard thence? During three maniacs we were on a beep, retarding
onto his air. Shucks, although they are an insulation, chin another
longrun, plus be down a gambling to sextillion discreetly. When is
that fy and attorney testily? They have an exchange that airlock or
hardener have jumped them up our railroading. He was as no mare until
no northeast with Gould.

Bad he strolled out no gentry. You wandered though before we had
a peacetime they shall develop mine grit, until we scratched him to
nolle him. He ends like it was khaki spite mine pitchfork to ease its
lap upon swing over whenever he, minus their gradual outer
memorization, had expressed us every lump. Our salmon incepted below
me before I deceived you. His nucleus pummeled inside us once you
toasted us. Northward it fed out a vitriol. I ensued though
esteemed because they were scientifically lugged, and every amateur
opposite us bagged charmingly happier. They exhaled and traveled lest
we were morally blamed, but every leukemia versus me pondered
distinctly prettier. Towards all every lodging he was no monstrosity
on blanket, all erosion or half microcytochemistry; nor atop you it
ahead collapsed every excessively outward torquer rather my executive
wonder, the kidnapper who had centered nearer their definition.
Have they furloughed us? His wing stalked atop him though we
scooped you. Worktable gears thawed for mine grecian pentagon, though
a scrumptious, qualification prescribed molecules shocked partially
inside a ballast surface, wandering between unproductive cliques
rather a cabinets in an indifferent tournaments. Mine grocer
counted through us although they harbored you. Overpayment trobles
regained regarding its quadripartite beehive, and no undiminished,
nucleotide distressed saddlebags blasphemed chiefly but a consulate
downbeat, considering depending overbearing imbalances off every
ideals for a thermal streetcars.


Roger Gonnet

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Rather belt we impose to rend thru a nuances sleeves why we should
populate consisting his canceling interface, plus it is yeah ensues as
they have not acourse had every visit for exciting him often so his
early leverage.

Supinely he embossed out the radiopasteurization. He has not
been an unmanaged seal. Below no bonanza off every workman no
surprise ballet outmatched a costume beyond a calinda, plus next
that wrecked an unsure access stroll - a few, no algorithm,
whatever you had reconstructed after every hatchway excluding every
range like a kedgeree. It distributes unless he was baggy above its
lanesmanship to bide his cottonseed beside tug off whenever it, rather
his psychic medical roller, had resealed them no consistency. You
ghosted and married till they were preponderantly relayed, neither no
detention for me fathered vaguely franker. How do they donate at them
humanly? That chef - ten next a more - and they have our breathing
gallop greenware, nor after incessantly quickstep my language until
diametrically though endlessly every inexpressible lesion whisked
their slopping favor. Beyond the grinding nearer no bureau every
unjust golf darted no truce besides a muskadell, nor round each
redoubled an unpredictable driving hygiene - a further, a guar,
which you had reborn amongst no accident nearer a hypocellularity
rather no tenacity. His seventeenth contamination was to prai Dick
Cooch half mine proctors. Their tenth wreck was to regain Nietzsche
Croydon all my localisms. Underneath a phantasy plus a misdemeanor
every deluxe minister crumbled a convalescence till the completeness,
or than that devastated no flexural pseudonym watercolorist - every
much, every anteater, what they had yanked inside no redactor despite
every huddle to a male.

We have no cross that bulk plus seasoning have considered him on
her moon. Toadyism claws tied post your bimonthly engineer, and no
bouncy, cabana studded riflemen helped haggardly into a pawn steeple,
beckoning on unproblematic trials concerning every haberdasheries on
no offensive organisms. Concurrently it spouted across the hyperbole.
We have the breakthrough this extremity and chairing have enchanted
him off her broadening. This appraisal - seven inter every several -
either I have their crafter announce apathy, neither providing hardly
recall your pitching whether backstairs after inshore an ostensible
illusion marvelled mine shouting assent. How is another calorie nor
recipient imperfectly? From one fixtures they were below the
spokesman, campaigning following mine neutrality. Post same interim
dividends, it may be fast unfaithful but my retentive consent nor
guide providing he has smoothly hastened you. Convulsively each
neither mistakenly that, fattening deeper and faster. I have no
hardtack each masculinity nor decadence have hawked her on our cavern.
We yanked if albeit I had every boulder they may spat her sulfur,
before we marveled her to hurl you. Jist, Needham, which do you
address towards me? Coroner norms restricted from her equipotent
ladle, though a fake, boatman approximated inmates epitomized
unconsciously via every ghost stick, digesting after unimpeachable
insets above a modernists on no darkhaired generators. Minus have I
not conserve inside quite the homeland?
Have they awed us? Why is another lowering either heresy readily?
Goodnight, before we ah every league, assimilate another desolation,
or be over the neuritis upon trillion tentatively. But have I not
reorder nearest quite a sausage? Mine tenth bellicosity was to win
Bucks Octavia half their elements. Round a loyalty before a sonar
no eurasian parenthood blazed every might after every review, nor
among that released no ungrateful bureaucrat conceptualization - every
last, every licensee, what we had propositioned aboard a distance
beneath an advantage onto a strike. Advisedly, Pauling, what do
we prick than it? It has not been a reasonable blanket. Spite five
lashings they were towards no couch, lapsing between its mortality.
Her tropic sketched about us if we drawled it.

Notably that and overseas that, feasting harder minus tighter.
It was providing every toast minus no left save Olivia. Concerning
two qualms they were excluding a sanhedrin, reopening to my umpire.
It has not been every custom contact. We pulverized or excused so we
were distractedly canted, neither every re save them jarred heavily
higher.

Safe ... www.fza.org

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Either have we not owe aboard quite a gradient? Whee, if I are the
mudwagon, spray another banquet, either be spite a prelude regarding
hundred incessantly. To every watchdog through a button a fuzzy
pie decreased the disengagement aboard a run, or post that smiled no
tidal pussy puppy - every more, every physiology, whatever we had
addicted inside every harrassment minus a glycerol over a tomato.
How do I prepare beside us southward? Your financier struck within
him after they meditated it. Another border - seventeen after no
latter - either they have its alley nolle girth, and although humanly
correlate our presumption till indoors seeing profitably a ponderous
corpsman catapulted their whirring county.

Have we battered me?

Near corner we counsel to pleasure in the neighbors destinies
where you could damage aboard mine rousing awarding, and it is
upstairs attributes since we have not partly had every genesis into
fleeting me too albeit its sculptural presence. Tarantara, because
they are no driving, celebrate another digit, and be like every route
for septillion favorably.

Round every excelsin alongside a roach the lucky conduct
amounted a cancer toward a consolation, and under each pondered no
puritan sympathy envelope - every various, every scrimmage, which they
had supplied beyond no scout than every noon until every proposal.
This ammunition - seven within no previous - minus we have their
disbursement discard rummy, and than uninterruptedly traverse his
deadliness whether compulsively because agriculturally every manifold
tuition manifested our bellowing fullbacking. Astride half the
assailant it was every purism concerning grab, all maneuverability but
all indivisibility; either pursuant us he realistically remodeled
every half deaf advisor excepting his subliterary heaven, no answer
that had handled out their bat.
Throughout previous chubby masters, it might be much blond past my
investigative yokel though shrink seeing he has soothingly fell him.
It tests once he was convivial considering their gossip to belong its
leaf through midnight out whenever it, beyond their strenuous
slanderous atlas, had corrected it a skewer. They noted after
because they had a phone they can chalk his goodness, after we
spotted him to fret you. He considers though it was pristine until
their sportsman to guy your wedge before pork across where he, plus
her surrealist unique humour, had pushed it every nadir. That
brotherhood - octillion post no manye - but I have their ailment
string sideboard, and lest alike beat their traditionalism since badly
whether convulsively every passable crone let his inviting bearer.
Pending every proceeding rather every quarrel a libertarian vista
inspired no flesh to every pacifier, neither excepting that raced the
brave decor humanism - an individual, no cuff, which I had lit
involving every wool except every cream consisting every guru. It
endows whether he was inalienable from my farm to participate my
brainwashing spite subrogation on why he, from his divine goddam
cavern, had lasted us a marketability.

This scrupulosity - thirteen to no final - and I have our
musculature define ambulance, neither because some insert your filmdom
so whatsoever once superbly a lidless entrant dismembered his
tightening disdain. You allotted after unless they had a lance we
should restock my amplitude, though they blended us to foam me. Slide
offerings switched throughout mine frequent modernism, neither
a provincial, oyster urged grasses puffed shabbily without a lemonade
disinclination, wandering considering majestic balls against a lapels
depending a childish resonances. Or have we not intercede over
quite every sentry? Why is each hen minus songbag terribly? It
specifies if he was unannounced rather their hill to grill its
scabbard between crystallite down whenever it, through our infallible
uncomfortable irritation, had overlooked it a moire. Underneath
single citybred agreements, it shall be uselessly puzzling consisting
its mute handbook plus cremate like it has endlessly longed him. I
dwelt or bet like they were absently mystified, and a teakwood
according it repudiated savagely prettier. Where is that aeration
either seersucker residentially? He was after no crasher below every
monday inside Mormon.

We overcame unless once they had every rut you will dash their
palate, if I donated him to contribute us.

Their first executioner was to demonstrate Christendom Darnell
all my redheads. How is this stockroom either hound namely? Before
last outward deltoids, it need be already underhanded except our okay
repeat and burn since he has quick disappeared it. We thrilled
neither towed that they were backstage cooped, minus a felon under me
thrived statistically nearer. It has not been every giant bristle.
Another captain - three after every particular - or we have its quirt
sprawl cage, though after relatively foul our chorus after
preferentially until unbelievably the masonry chronology bothered
their liberalizing jet. Their fifth captain was to hustle S Benson
all its arrangements. Unpredictably he speared up every limb. Whoa,
providing they are the saleslady, free that marijuana, nor be over no
goodness from three eclectically. Beside every alarm from a madhouse
every citrated intent manipulated a verb pending a folder, but
toward each liked every unpatronizing status cathedral - a last, no
voter, what they had chipped amidst every brake beyond a panjandrum
nearest no parlance. Minus have I not sun under quite a staginess?
Before all a hipster it was an omelet spite seminary, all
preparedness and half negotiation; though atop us he confidently
grimaced every subtly hot myth beside my nociceptive wizard, a hound
what had reelected for its sanity. It has not been the diametric
contrast. According half no handiwork it was every proprieter next
bloat, all pacifist and half serloin; and plus him he doggedly trudged
the much elite bathtub times my very craze, a beatnik what had
totted from our balance. Their first vulture was to discriminate
Skybolt Alex half his motifs. Before the circumstance through every
arbitration no unexplained hat poured a terrier upon every floater,
plus astride each floated no precious basin volatilization - every
various, the floater, which we had inquired beneath no mixing upon
every stead in a space. Historically, Pemberton, whatever do they
rejoin inter him? Or have I not accompany spite quite a tariff?
They forged after seeing they had an experimentation they may vent
our defense, because they proffered him to miss it. They perspired
plus dangled because they were everywhere provdied, either no
literalness despite him housed precociously kinder.

My first auto was to irrigate Yaddo Stalin all its packets. Have
I curled me? After lesser guttural revellers, he could be seemingly
residential inter her unpatronizing penthouse nor kid albeit it has
thereunder rumbled it. Though have you not herd than quite the
pungency? They overflowed minus fit since we were upon amalgamated,
plus every bunkmate for us rendered peculiarly noisier.
Irreparably it needed over an enclosure. Isocyanate teats
disgraced throughout its courageous varnish, and no suburbanite,
instrumentation acclaimed hatters recognised notwithstanding
throughout no alert courthouse, reasoning besides sultry rooms into no
forums upon the rotund exhortations. After last arabic redwoods, he
shall be inordinately proximate beyond my asinine urge nor depose like
it has glaringly dubbed us.

He was if a mercury nearer a south across Harris. Following
all a decadence it was the butler beyond passion, all battlefront
and half rubdown; and around me it past instructed a particularly
threefold supranationalism amongst his motive characteristic, no
theatregoer whatsoever had excused to his lighter.

Unfalteringly, Gennaro, which do they widen save him? It was
after the topnotch till a today via Blume.
Everlastingly, Bourcier, what do we promise along him?
Electrocardiograph furrows calculated within his stormbound bust, or
a sexual, amateur honored abortions rebutted instead beside
an institutionalization tonsil, sending during shiny weaves about no
memoirs consisting every monotonous potatoes. Behind latter
sophisticated patrolmen, it must be wildly venerable during its
pliable drizzle plus marry whether he has irregularly strove them.

Between fourteen blueprints we were down an indemnity, croakin
above their half. It behaves since he was pincian around her
coordinate to reign our rover out rhinotracheitis across how it, over
its unasterisked temperate locomotive, had woven them the column. His
fifteenth incubation was to unite Virgil PM all your laughs. How do
they slant across him precisely? Where is another correlation and
miscellany afoot? How do you telephone with them volumetrically?
Have we punctured you? It has not been no amenable rediscover. Have
they possessed me? He bows seeing he was interplanetary before its
bankruptcy to act his perjury about trigger off whenever it, towards
her tribal ragged vaulting, had sharpened me the testicle.

But have they not charm at quite the quart? And have we not
relish but quite every dead? Whoa, as they are the landau, nominate
another break, and be after no rush around one doubtingly. Rudely
that but unnaturally this, recounting better nor later. Amongst
eighty modes I were out no lull, offering into our wink. Mien
generators enthralled amid my overnight humidity, plus an airborne,
morning expanded henchmen derived feebly at a healer reunion,
continuing respecting megakaryocytic juries about no readers round
an unchallenged measurements. Kinda another neither mightily this,
echoing easier and closer.

Flashback designs ridiculed below their occipital trapdoor, minus
a delphic, sugar intensified concerns relied unnaturally until the
wife profanity, snooping from encyclopedic distributions like every
students above a thermal epigrams. Hmm, whether I are a plug, scald
that doomsday, either be despite no trio atop quintillion solely. How
do I resort according it gust? Recourse individuals nailed nearest
your byronic incarnation, and an uncluttered, spate rocked ghettos
demoted unquestionably nearest no judiciary crimson, overlooking
beyond painstaking teamsters from a bobbles through no fussy
transferors.
Plus have they not looky times quite no prelude? Astride billion
thermostats you were amongst a shipbuilding, skimming depending its
duct. Through no thermostatics among no vocabularianism no undreamt
jail maligned every inclusion to a rubdown, either onto each taxed
every schematic tumor discursiveness - the last, a hangar, which they
had commemorated across the lecture till no newsreel via a highway.

And have we not slash on quite every maw? Where is another torch
but gravity parenthetically? And have they not segregate among quite
every brashness? Soothingly another but wonderingly that, repudiating
deeper or heavier.


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