Mormon Church leaders speak on the subject of the "Negro"
Darrick
"Let the blacks of the south be free, and our community is overrun
with paupers, and a reckless mass of human beings, uncultivated,
untaught and unaccustomed to provide for themselves the necessaries
of
life-endangering the chastity of every female who might by chance be
found in our streets-our prisons filled with convicts, and the hang-
man wearied with executing the functions of his office!" (Messenger
and Advocate, Sept. 11, 1833)
Brigham Young second President and Prophet:
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth,
uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild and seemingly
deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is
generally bestowed upon mankind. . . . Cain slew his brother. Cain
might have been killed, and that would put a termination to that line
of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon
him,
which was the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after
the flood, and then another cursed is pronounced upon the same race--
that they should be the "servants of servants;" and they will be
until
that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in
the least alter that decree (Journal of Discourses, 7:290; emphasis
added)
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If
the
white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the
seed
of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot.
This
will always be." (Journal of Discourses, 10:110; emphasis added)
"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children
of
man, that they may not call Scripture." (Journal of Discourses,
13:95).
John Taylor, third President and Prophet:
"After the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced
upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife
of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was
necessary that the devil should have a representation upon the earth
as well as God. . . ." (ibid., 23:304; emphasis added).
"When he [Satan] destroyed the inhabitants of the antediluvian
worlds,
he suffered a descendant of Cain to come through the flood in order
that he might be properly represented upon the earth." (Journal of
Discourses, 23:336; emphasis added)
Wilford Woodruff, who became the fourth President and Prophet of the
LDS Church:
"What was that mark? It was a mark of blackness. That mark rested
upon
Cain, and descended upon his posterity from that time until the
present. To day there are millions of the descendants of Cain,
through
the lineage of Ham, in the world, and that mark of darkness still
rest
upon them."(Millennial Star, 51:339; emphasis added).
George Reynolds (Apostle):
"We will first inquire into the results of the approbation or
displeasure of God upon a people, starting with the belief that a
black skin is a mark of the curse of Heaven placed upon some portions
of mankind. . . . We understand that when God made man in his own
image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have
no
record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race. . . .
When God cursed Cain for murdering his brother Abel, He set a mark
upon him that all meeting him might know him. . . . After the flood
this curse fell upon the seed of Shem, through the sin of their
father, and his descendants bear it to this day. . . . We are told in
the Book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price, that Egypt was
discovered by a woman, who was a daughter of Ham, the son of
Noah. . . . The pure Negro, as represented by the people of Guinea
and
its neighboring countries, is generally regarded as the unmixed
descendant of Ham. . . . Their skin is quite black, their hair woolly
and black, their intelligence stunted, and they appear never to have
arisen from the most savage state of barbarism (Juvenile Instructor,
October 15, 1868, p. 157).
George F. Richards (Apostle):
“The Negro is an unfortunate man. He has been given a black skin. But
that is as nothing compared with that greater handicap that he is not
permitted to receive the Priesthood and the ordinances of the temple,
necessary to prepare men and women to enter into and enjoy a fullness
of glory in the celestial kingdom [i.e., godhood].” (Conference
Report, April 1939, p. 58)
Joseph Fielding Smith (10th President of the Mormon Church):
"Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his
wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was
place
upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and
must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this
world cursed with black skin and have been denied the privilege of
Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are
the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their
inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the
beginning… we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given
to
our Negro brethren, for they are our brethren--children of God---
notwithstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal
darkness." (The Way to Perfection, 101-02; emphasis added).
"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other
disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages...
The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits." (Doctrines
of Salvation, 1:61, 66; emphasis added)
Bruce R. McConkie (Mormon Apostle):
"In a broad general sense, caste systems have their root and origin
in
the gospel itself, and when they operate according to the divine
decree, the resultant restrictions and segregation are right and
proper and have the approval of the Lord. To illustrate: Cain, Ham,
and the whole Negro race have been cursed with a black skin, the mark
of Cain, so they can be identified as a caste apart, a people with
whom the other descendants of Adam should not intermarry. (Gen. 4;
Moses 5.)" (Mormon Doctrine, p.114)
"Though he was rebel and an associate of Lucifer in pre-existence,
and
though he was a liar from the beginning whose name was Perdition,
Cain
was cursed with a dark skin; he became the father of the Negroes, and
those sprits who are not worthy to receive the priesthood are born
though his lineage. He became the first mortal to be cursed as a son
of perdition. As a result of his mortal birth he is assured of a
tangible body of flesh and bones in eternity, a fact which will
enable
him to rule over Satan." (Mormon Doctrine, p.104)
"Through Ham (a name meaning black) the blood of the Canaanites was
preserved through the flood, he having married Egyptus, a descendent
of Cain. Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no
circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the
Almighty." (Mormon Doctrine, p.343)
In 1948, Prof. Lowry Nelson, a liberal Mormon professor, wrote to the
Mormon Church First Presidency on June 16, 1947:
"The attitude of the Church in regard to the Negro makes me very sad.
I do not believe God is racist."
The First Presidency wrote back to him on July 17th, 1947, saying:
"From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it is has
been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the
Church
leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of
the Gospel. Furthermore, your ideas, as we understand them, appear to
contemplate
the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, a concept which has
heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the
ancient partiarchs till now. God's rule for Israel, His Chosen
People,
has been endogamous. Modern Israel has been similarly directed.
We are not unmindful of the fact that there is a growing tendency,
particularly among some educators, as it manifests itself in this
are,
toward the breaking down of race barriers in the matter of
intermarriage between whites and blacks, but it does not have the
sanction of the Church and is contrary to Church doctrine.
Faithfully yours,
[signed] George Albert Smith J. Reuben Clark, Jr. David O. McKay
The First Presidency"
On August 17th, 1951, the Mormon Church's "First Presidency" issued
their official Statement of the First Presidency on the Negro
Question
in which they stated:
“The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it
has always stood. It is not a matter of policy but of direct
commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the
Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes
may become Members of the Church but that they are not entitled to
the
Priesthood at the present time." (quoted in Mormonism and the Negro,
p.
16)
NOTHING is more "official" than that!
The Church is now LYING THROUGH ITS TEETH, telling journalists: "The
Church has NEVER taught that blacks are cursed nor the children of
Cain!"
Blantant lying, and the BIG LIE is always the one easiest to believe.
Read more:
http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/homepage.html
Sensi
Sensi:
I don't know of any denomination that hasn't been racist in
the past. The SBC issued a formal apology for taking part
in racism and slavery against blacks in 1995.
I think racism and slavery was pretty much widespread by
every denomination wasn't it?
MrUniverse
You would think that the 'only true church on the face of the earth'
and lead by a prophet and revelator would get things right. Instead,
they hide behind the errors of Christian denominations and justify
their nasty pass by comparing to Christians or to old Testament
doctrine. Get a life.
Darrick
Also, the SBC has apologized for its racist past.
But the LDS Church has DENIED it ever taught that blacks were cursed
or inferior!
The SBC fessed up.
The LDS ------lied-----as usual!
> every denomination wasn't it?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Master
> Also, the SBC has apologized for its racist past.
> But the LDS Church has DENIED it ever taught that blacks were cursed
> or inferior!
Why does a private organization need to "apologize"? Don't people have
the right to associate, worship, and otherwise believe, any way they see
fit? Is there affirmative action for church members now? They need to
have 10% of this race and 20% of that one, at all levels of the
organization?
8foru
"The Master" <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.08...@sdf.lonestar.org...
Saying what the Mormon's said about blacks is not covered under the freedom
to worship principle. It's hate speech.
And marrying off 3 or 4 pre-teen girls each to a cadre of church elders just
because they have the power in the community, while teenage boys and young
men are forced out of the community (sometimes literally) is not "freedom to
worship. It is destructive.
Sensi
> The Buddhists were never racist.
>
> Also, the SBC has apologized for its racist past.
> But the LDS Church has DENIED it ever taught that blacks were cursed
> or inferior!
>
> The SBC fessed up.
> The LDS ------lied-----as usual!
>
Sensi:
I can't help that. It's a waste of time and energy trying to
make the other religion look worse than the one you chose
as the faithful and true.
All men have sinned so it doesn't make sense to dig up
another religions sinful nature when they've all been
naughty and not so nice.
>>> �The Negro is an unfortunate man. He has been given a black skin. But
>>> that is as nothing compared with that greater handicap that he is not
>>> permitted to receive the Priesthood and the ordinances of the temple,
>>> necessary to prepare men and women to enter into and enjoy a fullness
>>> of glory in the celestial kingdom [i.e., godhood].� (Conference
>>> Report, April 1939, p. 58)
>>> Joseph Fielding Smith (10th President of the Mormon Church):
>>> "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his
>>> wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was
>>> place
>>> upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and
>>> must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this
>>> world cursed with black skin and have been denied the privilege of
>>> Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are
>>> the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their
>>> inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the
>>> beginning� we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given
>>> �The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it
Fredric L. Rice
>On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Darrick wrote:
>> Also, the SBC has apologized for its racist past.
>> But the LDS Church has DENIED it ever taught that blacks were cursed
>> or inferior!
>Why does a private organization need to "apologize"? Don't people have
>the right to associate, worship, and otherwise believe, any way they see
>fit?
Not when they claim tax exemption, they don't. Or at least they
should not. The Mormon hate cult was judically recognized as being
allowed to persecute and discriminate against fags, prompting an
endless series of criminal complaints against the hate cult's tax
exemption status -- all of which were ignored despite being a mass
violation of IRS rules.
---
The Master
>> Why does a private organization need to "apologize"? Don't people have
>> the right to associate, worship, and otherwise believe, any way they see
>> fit?
>
> Not when they claim tax exemption, they don't.
Good point. So your only complaint is that they are still tax exempt?
But they no longer do it, thus saving their tax exempt status. So again,
why apologize for the past views?
Fredric L. Rice
>On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>>> Why does a private organization need to "apologize"? Don't people have
>>> the right to associate, worship, and otherwise believe, any way they see fit?
>> Not when they claim tax exemption, they don't.
>Good point. So your only complaint is that they are still tax exempt?
Well, that and they're a hate cult just like the KKK.
---
The Master
>>> Not when they claim tax exemption, they don't.
>>
>> Good point. So your only complaint is that they are still tax exempt?
>
> Well, that and they're a hate cult just like the KKK.
Hu? Mormons dress in sheets, and burn crosses? Sorry pall, but from my
viewpoint, hate is aimed at the Mormons, not the other way around. If you
want to focus your loathing of Mormons on a view they had in the past but
not any more, that is your business... Keep in mind, however, that in
doing so, you sort of prove my point for me.
Darrick
racist past.
I have said that the LDS Church needs to STOP LYING about its racist
past, as they
have done for the last 15 years, saying, "We never taught that blacks
are cursed!"
They are LYING!
On Jul 7, 11:06 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
wrote:
The Master
> I have NEVER said that the LDS Church needs to apologize for its
> racist past. I have said that the LDS Church needs to STOP LYING
> about its racist past,
That I will accept.
Duwaynea Anderson
wrote:
> > Also, the SBC has apologized for its racist past.
> > But the LDS Church has DENIED it ever taught that blacks were cursed
> > or inferior!
>
> Why does a private organization need to "apologize"?
They don't. But "Christian" people need to repent when they do
something wrong -- Jesus said so.
Do you think racism is wrong? Do you think racists need to repent?
<snip to end>
Duwayne Anderson
Author of "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and
science"
American Quarter Horse: The ultimate all-terrain vehicle
Fredric L. Rice
>On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>>>> Not when they claim tax exemption, they don't.
>>> Good point. So your only complaint is that they are still tax exempt?
>> Well, that and they're a hate cult just like the KKK.
>Hu? Mormons dress in sheets, and burn crosses?
The Mormon hate cult lobbies for and attempts to enact laws that
violate the Constitution of the United States, and the hate cult
does it solely because they are a hate cult, no other reason. It
was the Mormon ate cult that successfully got Proposition 2 passed
in Colorado, and Prop 9 passed in Seattle, both of which were
immediately ruled unconstitutional by the Judicial State.
Mormonism is roughly equal to the level of hatred held by KKK
members -- who are also Christians, of course.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>I have NEVER said that the LDS Church needs to apologize for its racist past.
Irrelevant, though. People who join a hate cult are admitting (or
perhaps the word is "acception") what that hate cult stands for and
what it is about. Anyone who signs on with the Mormon cult are defacto
in accord with the core hatred that the cult stands for. People don't
join the KKK and then demand that they're not racists. Mormonism is
no different.
---
Fredric L. Rice
>On Jul 7, 11:06=A0am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
>wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Darrick wrote:
>> > Also, the SBC has apologized for its racist past.
>> > But the LDS Church has DENIED it ever taught that blacks were cursed
>> > or inferior!
>They don't. But "Christian" people need to repent when they do
>something wrong -- Jesus said so.
Have any evidence for that insane claim? Any at all?
Right. Debunked.
---
The Master
> They don't. But "Christian" people need to repent when they do
> something wrong -- Jesus said so.
Repent when they sin. Does the bible say racism is a sin?
> Do you think racism is wrong? Do you think racists need to repent?
I believe in the constitution. Racists and bigots have the right to be
dipshits.
The Master
> The Mormon hate cult
Nice dehumanization there Fred.
> lobbies for and attempts to enact laws that
> violate the Constitution of the United States,
First off, they have the constitutional right to loby government for any
reason they want. Second, the government doesn't need help to violate the
constitution, they do that just fine all by themself.
> and the hate cult
> does it solely because they are a hate cult,
More dehumanization...
The fact remains that the Mormons are the only Jesus cult that I have any
respect for. You see them as blood sucking demons that eat babies and
molest cattle.
> It
> was the Mormon ate cult that successfully got Proposition 2 passed
> in Colorado, and Prop 9 passed in Seattle, both of which were
... voted for by the majority of people in both states perhaps? How many
Mormons, as a percentage of population, live in both Colorado and Seattle?
Sure, they supported the propositions (I don't live in either place, so I
don't know what they are), but so did vast numbers of other people. To
cast blame only at the Mormons is simply inane.
> immediately ruled unconstitutional by the Judicial State.
Then there you go, checks and balances rule, so don't bitch about it.
> Mormonism is roughly equal to the level of hatred held by KKK
> members
ROTFLMAO!!!!