Other good questions are, "How many of you were asked to abort your unborn child by the group?" or "Were any of you asked to give up your child so that Tom Cruise could be a father?"
>On 29 Aug 1997 17:29:23 GMT, ronsam...@aol.com (RonsAmigo) wrote:
>>Bev <dbj1...@iag.net> wrote in article <33FD995A.6...@iag.net>... >>> RonsAmigo wrote:
>>> > The truth is that Scientology brings families closer together.
>>> You are a blatant liar.
>>The tendency of ARS bigots to post atypical incidents and >>claim that they reflect what is typical of Scientology is >>disgusting.
>>For every one claim that you can document where a person >>has said their family was pushed apart "by Scientology", I'm >>sure I would have no trouble coming up with several >>hundred accounts in which none Scientologists report their >>family was brought closer together as a result of a loved ones >>involvement in Scientology.
>OSA told my wife, point blank, that she had to divorce me. I was in >good standing at the time.
>How's that for first hand experience?
>I know several other families, who have been broken up by scientology. >I am not going to name them 'cause I respect their privacy.
>You statements are um disingenuous, to state it in the best possible >light.
>-Neal Hamel
I also was told (by the MAA of my org) to divorce my wife. I was also told I was "PTS Type A" and ordered to do the "PTS/SP Course" and was placed on the "PTS Rundown" because my mother was antagonistic towards Scientology. As is ALWAYS the case with "PTS Type A" persons, I was told to "handle my mother or disconnect from her" because she didn't believe in Scientology since she was a Christian.
Warrior
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What I didn't include in the above post is that in 1978 my wife and I were the subject of an ASHO Day Ethics Order which ordered us to separate, and which placed both of us under a "non-enturbulation order". Both of us were ASHO Day staff (Sea Org) members at the time. My wife complied by moving into a women's dormitory in the Cedars of Lebanon building known as Lebanon Hall ("LH"). During this time period, and in connection with our enforced separation, I was told by the MAA ASHO Day that my wife was an "R/Ser" and that she "rock slammed on men". In cult-speak, he was saying that she was suppressive since she had evil intentions towards all men.
From: Warrior Subject: Re: How many marriages has Scientology broken up? Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, alt.support.ex-cult Date: 1998/08/27
In article <35e66193.2386...@enews.newsguy.com>, b...@NOSPAM.acm.org says...
>With all the hubbub lately about some ARSCC members, people are >forgetting to look at the other side.
Good point. Scientology has been doing its best to divert attention away from their crimes.
>I seem to remember lots of cases where people in Scn have been ordered >to divorce spouses or to disconnect from family members. I don't have >these cases immediately at hand, but I'm sure I could find lots with a >little searching.
I know of quite a few.
>There is also the infamous policy that Sea Org women have to get >abortions. And there is the atrocious treatment of small children.
Yes. Read Mary Tabayoyon's affidavit. It is only one of numerous factual accounts of Scientology's crimes against families and children.
>The obvious question is: who is really breaking up marriages and >families?
Scientology routinely breaks up marriages. This is one of the cult's "VFPs" (valuable final products).
One Sea Org member, Craig Sargeant, when he was the Dir I&R ASHO Day, eloped with a lady named Andrea Abbate. They married. When Craig returned to ASHO, he was assigned a lower condition and *ordered* to get an annullment of his marriage to Andrea. Sadly, he complied. Later, when he married Marcy Henderson, the cult did not object since she was also SO staff at ASHO. You see, Andrea was a "public" member, and the SO heavily discourages, and in many cases forbids outright, the marriage between SO members and non-SO members.
John and Diane Colletto were ordered to disconnect from each other when John was declared SP by the Sea Org (specifically, Publications Org US - now called Bridge Publications). Tragically, John shot his wife, Diane, to death at the Cedars Complex in LA, before taking his own life.
When I was staff at ASHO Day, my wife and I were put under a "Non- Enturbulation Order" and ordered to separate. We were actually ordered, under threat of expulsion, to move into separate berthing quarters. At that time (late 1978) we had been trying to get ASHO Day's Qual Division to give us some counselling for our marriage. Because we raised hell about *not* getting the services we were entitled to, we were accused of "enturbulating" other staff members (those whose job it was to see to it that we received the services we were entitled to as staff).
When Scientology finally did succeed in causing the breakup of my 9-year marriage in 1983, I found someone else to love and began a relationship with her. A CMO Missionnaire threatened to declare me SP for having a relationship with a lady who was not a Sea Org staff member. I married her anyway and told Scientology to stick their "ethics" threats where the sun don't shine! And then I left the Sea Org.
In article <fr3k30t2p1j4tbnnvpvu8s3dl59qkig...@4ax.com>, Mike Gormez says...
>How many of you have been told to divorce your wife/husband >by the cult?
Andrea Abbate's name appears in Cerridwen's December 1, 2002 post of completions announced in Celebrity Magazine Issue # 341.
Andrea was very briefly married to ASHO Day Sea Org member Craig Sargeant. The executives at ASHO made Craig get his marriage to Andrea annulled because she was not a Sea Org member, and because after marrying Andrea, Craig wanted to leave the Sea Org to take a job in Andrea's father's company. That was around 25 years ago (in approximately 1979). Craig was assigned a "lower condition" ("doubt") for wanting to leave the Sea Org. He did get an annullment of his marriage to Andrea, and he stayed in the Sea Org. He later married Marcy Henderson, an ASHO Day Sea Org member who held the post of SHSBC Supervisor.
The next time I saw Andrea was in 1987 or '88. She had married an OTV named Michael Walker. Andrea is the same lady as the one who is Executive Producer of Rude Awakening.
> How many of you have been told to divorce your wife/husband by the cult?
I know my 27-years marriage ended for one reason: OSA and the "Church" <spit> of Scientology worked over my husband and as a result, he divoreced me. How do I know it's them? Because he just (for 2 years, until he finally disconnected from me) kept saying over and over: "You left me". He never, ever asked, "Tory, what happened?" It was like he was on a program, and they'd said, "Only say this". I've met others who are divorced and their spouse say the same.
I didn't leave him: I LEFT A CULT! Also, I didn't leave him, I went to Florida briefly. By the time I returned, he was G O N E. Not physically, but someone had gotten to my husband as he was OUT TO LUNCH and replaced with someone I did not, nor had I ever known.
I remember saying those same things to critics about how happy Scientology families are. I don't doubt that..and my "Win" in WIS states Scientology helped my relationship with my parents, and I still stand by that.
However, DO they break up families? Most definitely. Do they not allow kids to see their parents? Yes, they do. Did OSA call me up and ask me to "Handle a mother who wants to see her kid"? Yes. Did I say ABSOLUTELY NO? Yes I did. I told them EVERY parent has a right to see their kid, and if some mother is going "Type 3" as she described, it is BECAUSE of what they were doing to her, refusing to let her see her child, NOT what she was doing to them.
Shame on EVERY single person who supports Disconnection.
Tory/Magoo!
> I see Neal Hamel, Mark Plummer & Roger Gonnet's wife were told so:
This is a good question Mikey. Very valid too. Thanks for asking this! :)
The word "wife" should be replaced with "spouse" in the thread topic though. FAMILY DISCONNECTION from declared SP members is not gender specific :( in the $cn cult world..... as I know you know.
Warrior <warr...@xenu.ca> wrote in message <news:c1e5uf02nd7@drn.newsguy.com>... > In article <1o2l301mi802kcjp25de11fbv87c3lu...@4ax.com>, Mike Gormez says...
>> Cool! I suggest that you provide definitions for "R/Ses" and "R/Sers" >> as used on this page. If you want my help let me know. :) >Mike - it's spelled 'hatred' not 'hatered' as you have it in the url. >Good stuff, though:-)
Thanks :-) Someone else told me also it contains a type. I'll soon correct the URL and put a redirect on the above typo URL.
Btw, does this count as a forced divorce? To me it is obvious one can't have a meaningful marriage without any communication but perhaps they could live in seperate parts of a house:
The Road to Total Freedom A sociological analysis of scientology by Roy Wallis
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"Another interview respondent was asked to disconnect from his wife, who was declared an S.P. and, although he did so at first, he became disturbed by this demand and returned to her. This led to his also being declared an S.P. Others were also expelled for refusing to disconnect from a friend declared to be a Suppressive Person."
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Jesse Prince says that Diane Coletto was ordered to divorce John:
Now, it happened one day that a fellow named John Coletto was routed to the RPF forcefully. By "forcefully," I mean he was surrounded by others who forced him to go, just the way it happened to me. He came from the Pubs Org, which later came to be known as Bridge Publications, Inc., or BPI. His wife Diane Coletto was the Commanding Officer, or CO, of the Pubs Org, and she had been instructed to divorce her husband John because he was a "criminal." http://www.whyaretheydead.net/jesse/coletto.html
In article <rspm30ps0g0daur8viqblvn0s9iqht1...@4ax.com>, Mike Gormez says...
>Jesse Prince says that Diane Coletto was ordered to divorce John:
>Now, it happened one day that a fellow named John Coletto was routed to >the RPF forcefully. By "forcefully," I mean he was surrounded by others >who forced him to go, just the way it happened to me. He came from the >Pubs Org, which later came to be known as Bridge Publications, Inc., or >BPI. His wife Diane Coletto was the Commanding Officer, or CO, of the Pubs >Org, and she had been instructed to divorce her husband John because he >was a "criminal."
The correct spelling of Diane's and John's last name is "Colletto".
To the best of my recollection, Diane never held the post of Commanding Officer Pubs Org US. The Commanding Officer of Pubs Org US was Vicky Lewis, except for a brief period of time when she was away at Flag for training, during which time Mike Long temporarily held the position, and a lady named Kenny Acs was Temporary Acting Deputy Commanding Officer.
Here's one of my posts about the death of Diane Colletto.
Diane Colletto, a Sea Org member at Publications Organization US, held the position of "Auditor Magazine" Editor. Her husband, John Colletto, was at least a Class VI auditor and OT 3X. John had suffered a psychotic break in 1978, after his wife had been ordered to disconnect from him. John had been declared an SP because he had refused to administer "sec checks" to fellow Sea Org staff members at Pubs US.
John shot his wife Diane to death at the corner of Fountain Avenue and Catalina Street in Hollywood; this is right next to the Cedars Complex building. After killing his wife, John fled the area. A short while later he took his own life.
Diane was born on March 28, 1953. Her Social Security number is 323-48-6178. John was born on May 31, 1947, and his Social Security number is 556-72-7901.
The murder/suicide occurred in August 1978 while I was on staff in the Sea Organization. I was there at the Cedars Complex when Diane was shot to death by her husband, John.
"On 24 Feb 2004 09:39:18 -0800, Warrior <warr...@xenu.ca> wrote in <c1g28602...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>>Jesse Prince says that Diane Coletto was ordered to divorce John:
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>The correct spelling of Diane's and John's last name is "Colletto".
Right, stupide of me. I know that but haven't gotten around on adding a correction to JPs page. I'll do so a bit later tonite.
>To the best of my recollection, Diane never held the post of Commanding >Officer Pubs Org US. The Commanding Officer of Pubs Org US was Vicky >Lewis, except for a brief period of time when she was away at Flag for >training, during which time Mike Long temporarily held the position, and >a lady named Kenny Acs was Temporary Acting Deputy Commanding >Officer.
>Here's one of my posts about the death of Diane Colletto.
>>>Jesse Prince says that Diane Coletto was ordered to divorce John: >On 24 Feb 2004, Warrior wrote in <c1g28602...@drn.newsguy.com>:
>>The correct spelling of Diane's and John's last name is "Colletto".
In article <7nan30t23u189flsfeta3afpsh9m58r...@4ax.com>, Mike Gormez says...
>Right, stupide of me. I know that but haven't gotten around on adding a >correction to JPs page. I'll do so a bit later tonite.
Okay.
>>To the best of my recollection, Diane never held the post of Commanding >>Officer Pubs Org US. The Commanding Officer of Pubs Org US was Vicky >>Lewis, except for a brief period of time when she was away at Flag for >>training, during which time Mike Long temporarily held the position, and >>a lady named Kenny Acs was Temporary Acting Deputy Commanding >>Officer.
>>Here's one of my posts about the death of Diane Colletto.
At one time, there were quite a number of people in the Sea Org who were married to people who were non-Sea Org (or, as they are commonly referred to in the Sea Org, "NSO").
Sea Org policy forbids Sea Org members to become romantically and sexually involved with public. However, certain situations resulted in these SO/NSO marriages.
Sometimes one person in a marriage decided to join the Sea Org, while their spouse either wouldn't or couldn't. The "couldn't" could be because the spouse was paying off debts the couple had, or there were family/personal situations that existed that made it necessary for one of the people to be out, or one person in the couple wasn't qualified because of a drug or psych history or some other out-qual.
Sometimes (this was the most common situation) there was a married couple in the Sea Org, and one person in the couple decided to route out of the SO while the other person in the couple stayed in. Most of the time when this occurred the couple got divorced, but sometimes the couple would stay together in spite of one being out and one being in.
There were also situations (this was in the earlier days when the Sea Org service orgs employed non-Sea Org staff) where an SO member became involved with a non-SO person who was employed by an SO org. These situations often skated by, especially in the more liberal, looser days, because the non-SO person *was* technically "staff", so it could be argued that it was not a violation of the 2D FO forbidding staff to become involved with public, even though the person wasn't Sea Org.
There were quite a few Sea Org staff at one time, especially in PAC, who, as a result of various situations, were married to NSO. This especially occurred in the service orgs, though there were occasional instances of it at other levels as well.
Though it was not looked upon very favorably, these situations were more or less tolerated by the orgs. One reason was that most of the people who were married to NSO were technical staff - auditors, C/Ses, supervisors. These people were often highly trained and would be extremely difficult to replace. As long as their situations weren't creating problems, the orgs put up with them to be able to keep them as staff.
There was actually some kind of an LRH issue (FO? Base Order? I forget) that said basically that it was OK for SO to have NSO spouses as long as it wasn't causing problems to the staff and the orgs.
This changed, however. There was a major effort to "purify" the Sea Org orgs by the DM regime in the 90s. First, all of the NSO staff had to go. At one time the PAC orgs employed quite a few non Sea Org staff, especially in technical areas. Most of them left by the late 1980s. However, there were a few non Sea Org staff who had hung in in the PAC Sea Org orgs through thick and thin (ethics purges, problems getting paid, etc.), but they were finally kicked out for good.
Then, there was an order that came down from uplines. The order was that all of the staff on the bases who were married to NSO had to either leave the SO or move into Sea Org berthing. Though they were probably not exactly told they had to get a *divorce* from their husband or wife, they were told they could no longer live together. Considering the Sea Org schedule, the fact there was no family time and little or no time off, it basically came down to the same thing.
Most of them left. It was this mess that got Chris Montgomery, long time Briefing Course supervisor at ASHO, declared. She refused to divorce her husband, and left the SO instead. AOLA lost several auditors and at least one C/S. Similar things occurred on other Sea Org bases.
These staff were made to feel like they were out-ethics scum for refusing to divorce their wives or husbands.
Like most of these kinds of things, the only real result was that the orgs lost valuable staff and shrunk to become even smaller.
SECRETARY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR Office of L. Ron Hubbard, D.C.
August 9, 1965
SECED Number 461DC
Applies to: Washington, D.C.
COMMITTEE OF EVIDENCE FINDINGS
Findings of Committee of Evidence convened 16th April, 1965.
Committee Members: David Aldrich, Chairman; John Higginbotham, Jr., Secretary; Members: Sheila Aldrich, Wayne Rohrer, Joe Breeden
Findings on Interested Parties:
1. Ernest Martin Finding: Absolved Recommendation: The Committee recommends that Ernest use better judgement in his selection of associates.
Endorsed.
2. Melvin Bear Finding: Absolved Recommendation: The Committee recommends that Mel be required to get an Ethics Clearing on anyone moving into 1833 and/or 1835 19th Street, N.W.
Endorsed.
3. Marianne Giles and Kinsley Giles Finding: Both absolved Recommendation: The Committee recommends that Marianne and Kinsley not be allowed to involve anyone other than Ethics personnel with their marital problems and that they, with Ethics, get together to solve their marital problems.
Endorsed.
4. Bob Waller Finding: Guilty of failing to appear before a Comm. Ev. Recommendation: That Bob be required to get an Ethics clearing before any further participation in Scientology.
Endorsed.
5. Mary Lang Finding: That Mary is connected to at least two Suppressive Persons. Recommendation: The Committee recommends that Mary be declared a Potential Trouble Source and ordered to disconnect from the Suppressive Persons in her environment; namely, Peggy Tereschenko and Mary's husband.
Endorsement amends above to: Mary Lang is to separate from Peggy Tereschenko and Mary's husband until Ethics DC has investigated Peggy Tedeschenko and Mary's husband and issued an SP order or other appropriate action.
6. Betsy Weeks Finding: That Betsy has at least one Suppressive Person in her environment. Recommendation: That Betsy be declared a Potential Trouble Source until such time as she disconnects from J. Fred Walker.
Endorsed.
7. Joan Estrada Finding: Joan Estrada is guilty of impeding her husband's progress in Scientology. Recommendation: (deleted by L. Ron Hubbard) Endorsement amends above to: A non-enturbulation order is placed on Joan Estrada.
Amended to a Non-enturbulation order. LRH
8. Ken Pilove and Diana Thomas Pilove Finding: Ken and Diana are Potential Trouble Sources. Recommendation: That they may not be trained or processed until they have entirely ceased the use of marijuana. Further recommendation: That marijuana be declared Suppressive on the basis that, in the opinion of the Committee, it impedes those who use it.
The first recommendation is endorsed. The second recommendation is not endorsed as the intent of policy on drugs covers this.
9. Lloyd Bell Finding: Guilty of failing to appear before a Comm. Ev. Recommendation: That Lloyd be required to obtain an Ethics clearing before he is allowed further participation in Scientology.
10. Douglas Creer Finding: Doug did lie to the Committee of Evidence and that he has caused considerable enturbulence and entheta to those around him. Recommendation: In view of the fact that Doug has achieved the State of 1st Stage Release the Committee recommends no further action.
12. Ann Mauch Finding: Guilty of failure to appear before a Committee of Evidence and that Ann has caused considerable enturbulence and entheta to those around her. Recommendation: That a non-enturbulence order be placed on Ann.
Endorsed.
13. The following people have, in previous Ethics actions, been declared Suppressive Persons:
Frank Williams, Fred Walker, Richard Stanchik, Reggie Grant; so the Committee recommends no further action.
In article <c1e5uf02...@drn.newsguy.com>, Warrior says...
>I suggest that you provide definitions for "R/Ses" and "R/Sers" >as used on this page.
"Rock slam" is defined as "The crazy, irregular left-right slashing motion of the needle on the E-Meter dial. R/Ses repeat left and right slashes unevenly and savagely, faster than the eye easily follows. The needle is frantic. The width of an R/S depends largely on sensitivity setting. It goes from one-fourth inch to whole dial. But it slams back and forth. A rock slam (R/S) means a hidden evil intention on the subject or question under auditing or discussion." -- L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Bulletin of 3 September 1978 "Definition of a Rock Slam"
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"A rockslam means a hidden evil intention on the subject or question under discussion or auditing." -- L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Bulletin of 10 August 1976 "R/Ses, What They Mean"
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"ONE MUST ALWAYS REPORT A ROCKSLAM IN THE AUDITING REPORT, NOTE IT WITH SESSION DATE AND PAGE INSIDE THE LEFT COVER OF THE PC'S FOLDER AND REPORT IT TO ETHICS INCLUDING THE QUESTION OR SUBJECT WHICH ROCKSLAMMED, PHRASED EXACTLY.
"Why? Because the Rockslam is the most important needle manifestation! It gives a clue to the pc's case." -- L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Bulletin of 10 August 1976 "R/Ses, What They Mean"
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"List One R/Ser
"There are, for our purposes, two kinds of R/Sers. (a) those who R/S on subjects not connected with Scn and (b) those who R/S on subjects connected to Scientology. The latter is a 'List One R/Ser' and it is of great importance to us that they be located and moved off lines when they are part of staffs as their intent is solely to destroy us whatever else they say: their long run actions will prove it." -- L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Bulletin of 1 November 1974RA "Rock Slams and Rock Slammers"
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"ROCK SLAMMERS
"In a group of 400, the actual percentage of R/Sers is low. It's about 8 in 400, or 2-2 1/2%. Those figures should seem familiar. They are the same percentage for SPs. And that gives you a clue to the identification of an R/Ser." -- L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Bulletin of 1 November 1974 "Rock Slams and Rock Slammers"
> At one time, there were quite a number of people in the Sea Org who > were married to people who were non-Sea Org (or, as they are commonly > referred to in the Sea Org, "NSO").
> Sea Org policy forbids Sea Org members to become romantically and > sexually involved with public. However, certain situations resulted in > these SO/NSO marriages.
> Sometimes one person in a marriage decided to join the Sea Org, while > their spouse either wouldn't or couldn't. The "couldn't" could be > because the spouse was paying off debts the couple had, or there were > family/personal situations that existed that made it necessary for one > of the people to be out, or one person in the couple wasn't qualified > because of a drug or psych history or some other out-qual.
> Sometimes (this was the most common situation) there was a married > couple in the Sea Org, and one person in the couple decided to route > out of the SO while the other person in the couple stayed in. Most of > the time when this occurred the couple got divorced, but sometimes the > couple would stay together in spite of one being out and one being in.
> There were also situations (this was in the earlier days when the Sea > Org service orgs employed non-Sea Org staff) where an SO member became > involved with a non-SO person who was employed by an SO org. These > situations often skated by, especially in the more liberal, looser > days, because the non-SO person *was* technically "staff", so it could > be argued that it was not a violation of the 2D FO forbidding staff to > become involved with public, even though the person wasn't Sea Org.
> There were quite a few Sea Org staff at one time, especially in PAC, > who, as a result of various situations, were married to NSO. This > especially occurred in the service orgs, though there were occasional > instances of it at other levels as well.
> Though it was not looked upon very favorably, these situations were > more or less tolerated by the orgs. One reason was that most of the > people who were married to NSO were technical staff - auditors, C/Ses, > supervisors. These people were often highly trained and would be > extremely difficult to replace. As long as their situations weren't > creating problems, the orgs put up with them to be able to keep them > as staff.
> There was actually some kind of an LRH issue (FO? Base Order? I > forget) that said basically that it was OK for SO to have NSO spouses > as long as it wasn't causing problems to the staff and the orgs.
> This changed, however. There was a major effort to "purify" the Sea > Org orgs by the DM regime in the 90s. First, all of the NSO staff had > to go. At one time the PAC orgs employed quite a few non Sea Org > staff, especially in technical areas. Most of them left by the late > 1980s. However, there were a few non Sea Org staff who had hung in in > the PAC Sea Org orgs through thick and thin (ethics purges, problems > getting paid, etc.), but they were finally kicked out for good.
> Then, there was an order that came down from uplines. The order was > that all of the staff on the bases who were married to NSO had to > either leave the SO or move into Sea Org berthing. Though they were > probably not exactly told they had to get a *divorce* from their > husband or wife, they were told they could no longer live together. > Considering the Sea Org schedule, the fact there was no family time > and little or no time off, it basically came down to the same thing.
> Most of them left. It was this mess that got Chris Montgomery, long > time Briefing Course supervisor at ASHO, declared. She refused to > divorce her husband, and left the SO instead. AOLA lost several > auditors and at least one C/S. Similar things occurred on other Sea > Org bases.
> These staff were made to feel like they were out-ethics scum for > refusing to divorce their wives or husbands.
> Like most of these kinds of things, the only real result was that the > orgs lost valuable staff and shrunk to become even smaller.
Very interesting. There were a few Sea Org members who were kept on and who even lived 'off base' for a while in the '80s. One was a NOTS auditor. Let me see if I can remember her name. She had a son at that time whose name was Houston. Here husband was not in the SO. She was so valuable to AOLA that they wanted very much to keep her. She had made an arrangement with Susan Becher, a non-Sea Org AOLA auditor. She audited Susan as a 'friend' under the concept that you could audit friends and family for free and in exchange Susan 'covered' her post so she could go on vacation. Susan couldn't audit NOTS but she could do OT 3 reviews, so this arrangement was made at AO.
At that time they had just about gotten rid of most of the non-Sea Org auditors. However, the execs at AOLA, (some of them were still somewhat sane and wanted to keep some semblance of production going) somehow held on to Steve Miller, the Cramming Officer. He signed a 2 1/2 year contract, I think. Also, they didn't get rid of the auditors working in the FES unit. I guess they were so hidden it was assumed that they wouldn't be found out. Let's see, the people in there were Michele Torque, Class 6, Diane McDonald, Class 6, John Crittendon, not sure of his class and sometimes Darryl something, who was a Class 8 but she was somewhat afraid to audit. Must have been 1984 or 1985. Something like that.
The early '80s were a weird time. Most people who were loyal public really knew very little about the whole Mission debacle. They didn't know about the Mission Holders Conference, etc. Probably many still don't. They couldn't help but notice the incredible shrinking orgs, though. That was the time after the Finance Police. Another really strange era in the bizarre history of Scientology.
Another thing -- Sea Org members who left the Sea Org were not allowed to work in Missions or Orgs. Some covertly did. Others got 'Field Groups' going. Missions but without the name.
> > Like most of these kinds of things, the only real result was that the > > orgs lost valuable staff and shrunk to become even smaller.
> Very interesting. There were a few Sea Org members who were kept on > and who even lived 'off base' for a while in the '80s. One was a NOTS > auditor. Let me see if I can remember her name. She had a son at > that time whose name was Houston. Her husband was not in the SO.
I think you might be talking about Jill Burkhardt, married name Jill Graham. Her son was named Houston, I believe.
Her cycle was on the flappy side. Matt Graham was a public person when she married him. Somehow she got away with not going to the RPF. Her cycle would still flare up regularly. Eventually she got pulled out of AOLA and the last I knew she was Universe Corps for Orange County Org. That was quite a while ago.
> She was so valuable to AOLA that they wanted very much to keep her. > She had made an arrangement with Susan Becher, a non-Sea Org AOLA > auditor. She audited Susan as a 'friend' under the concept that you > could audit friends and family for free and in exchange Susan > 'covered' her post so she could go on vacation. Susan couldn't audit > NOTS but she could do OT 3 reviews, so this arrangement was made at > AO.
> At that time they had just about gotten rid of most of the non-Sea Org > auditors. However, the execs at AOLA, (some of them were still > somewhat sane and wanted to keep some semblance of production going) > somehow held on to Steve Miller, the Cramming Officer. He signed a 2 > 1/2 year contract, I think.
Steve Miller and Susan Soloman were the last to go, It's amazing how long they hung in there. I think Steve wound up at a mission/field group. Susan, I believe, tried to be a field auditor. i don't know how that worked out for her.
It wasn't the execs at the service orgs that were the major problem, BTW. The orders to get rid of the NSO came from uplines. The org execs were very much aware of how much they needed them. The orders had come down for years to eliminate them, and the orgs for years resisted getting rid of them.
Also, they didn't get rid of the auditors
> working in the FES unit. I guess they were so hidden it was assumed > that they wouldn't be found out. Let's see, the people in there were > Michele Torque, Class 6, Diane McDonald, Class 6, John Crittendon, not > sure of his class and sometimes Darryl something, who was a Class 8 > but she was somewhat afraid to audit. Must have been 1984 or 1985. > Something like that.
Michele (I beleve her name was actually Michela, pronounced Mich-ay-la) was one of the people I was referring to regarding NSO/SO marriages. She was married to Vic Ueckermann, Sea Org auditor, for a time.
> The early '80s were a weird time. Most people who were loyal public > really knew very little about the whole Mission debacle. They didn't > know about the Mission Holders Conference, etc. Probably many still > don't. They couldn't help but notice the incredible shrinking orgs, > though. That was the time after the Finance Police. Another really > strange era in the bizarre history of Scientology.
> Another thing -- Sea Org members who left the Sea Org were not allowed > to work in Missions or Orgs. Some covertly did. Others got 'Field > Groups' going. Missions but without the name.
What was that LA field group that got all those ex-SO like Sue Taylor? I think it was called "The Ability Center."
As I have written in previous posts, one of the major reasons people don't want to train to be auditors is that it's extremely difficult to make it an occupation outside of the orgs. That's one of the reasons that the NSO stuck around orgs like AOLA so long. When they were finally kicked out for good, a lot of them had a tough time making auditing a living on the outside.
