A new person's introduction to Scientology
Velcro Kitty
wrote me this following her viewing of the International Association of
Scientologists event videotape of Oct. '99. You hate mongers will come
back and say she doesn't know the truth, but the fact is, Scientology
works. If you anti-Scientologists didn't have such a narrow viewpoint,
you could see the very thing that could help you.
>I am very impressed with the concept of Scientology. One of the things I really like about them is their absolute open views about freedom of
religion. I was also very affected positively by Scientology's views of
the Psychiatric big picture. I was working for two child psychiatrists
in Port Credit when I quit to go and work for Anne full time. I had
this uncomfortable feeling all the time I worked with the shrinks
especially when children had been going to visit either one of these
"doctors" for YEARS in some cases, yet, they were still experiencing the
SAME problem they had from day one. I even asked the male partner of
this married team one day why an 18 year old "child" was still visiting
him after TEN years with the SAME problem. "What have you done for
him?" I challenged but of course, he gave no answer because it took him
all he could muster not to show his anger at the audacity I had in
merely ASKING him. But I still say .. why does a person who's visited a
psychiatrist for TEN years still require their services? There were
some lesser (and more) examples but from then on, I always had doubts
about psychiatric "treatment" and after seeing this video, I'm delighted
to see that I'm not alone in these thoughts.
I also caught the interesting views about Germany and some of the tongue
in cheek comments. Again, they share my views in many respects. But
the biggest area that jumped out at me was the section on Criminon and
Narconon and how LRH seems to have targeted the lifestyles of these
"victims" of substance abuse and how they don't have to live that way.
It seems to be a fresh and new concept of how to pull up your boot
straps and get a handle on your life and he does it without all the
useless lectures and tongue lashings of society (the same society that
preaches 'do as I say, not as I do')and ironically, that same society is
often part of the problem, not the solution, never mind all their
glamorous programs and flashy get well quick schemes that lead the
victim right back to the habit somewhere down the road.
Scientology is very different to what was portrayed to me and I believe
that if Christians were to read and apply those rule of thumb practices
WITH their deep-rooted Christian beliefs, THEN they might be more
convincing to an atheist that they are always trying to "convert".
I was impressed.
By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
can you look for a web address on it???
Also, I would like to know more about the courses (self help, etc)
Scientology has. I'm interested in the fundamental lessons on how to
get from point A to Z in life. I'm going to re-read some of the
material I got from Lorrie I think it was and perhaps some you sent me
but basically it's about the MAN, LRH. Now I want to learn what he has
to say about life. I think there are booklets, etc.? Where can I get
those?
Thanks again. I feel rejuvenated but I'm afraid I better get some sleep
after all this thinking.
Good nite, my friend.
jr
Roland
>
> This e-mail is from a friend of mine who is a practicing Christian. She
> wrote me this following her viewing of the International Association of
> Scientologists event videotape of Oct. '99. You hate mongers will come
> back and say she doesn't know the truth, but the fact is, Scientology
> works. If you anti-Scientologists didn't have such a narrow viewpoint,
> you could see the very thing that could help you.
But does she know El Dead FatRon's views on Christianity? Would she have
had any praise for Scientology and Hubbard if she had had the facts?
How about ------- the CHRIST GAME ????? Christ as an IMPLANT !!!!!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Christgm.ram
You'll find, by the way, another manifestation is preclears, will shift
the identities and borrow facsimilies - like mad.
There's what they call 'The Christ Game' and that game has been played
and played and played and play..., honest to Pete, these cards are just
so thin. They've been laid down amongst the coffee cups, and so forth,
of the whole universe.
You'll find out thousands of years before the year 1 AD, Earth, you will
have facsimilies and dolls made up like Christ. Fac One, a million years
ago, is occasionally rigged with Christ and the devil and an angel. It's
a fascinating thing, it's an old game.
Here on Earth, there was undoubtably a Christ. One of the reasons he was
... he swept in so suddenly, and he would go forward so hard, is he had
a good assist back of him in terms of an implant.
And how about ------- THE MAN ON THE CROSS - THERE WAS NO CHRIST ?????
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Nochrist.ram
Anyway, Everyman is then shown to have been crucified so don't think
that it's an accident that this crucifixion, they found out that this
applied.
Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found some pieces
of R6, and I don't know how they found it, either by watching madmen or
something, but since that time they have used it and it became what is
known as Christianity.
The Man on the Cross. There was no Christ. But the Man on the cross is
shown as Everyman. So of course each person seeing a crucified man, has
an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man. Therefore you get many
PCs who says they are Christ. Now, there's two reasons for that. One is
the Roman Empire was prone to crucify people, so a person can have been
crucified, but in R6 he is shown as crucified.
Roland
--
"I notice that we all believe that Venus has a methane atmosphere and
is unlivable. I almost got run down by a freight locomotive the other
day -- didn't look very uncivilized to me." - L. Ron Hubbard,
"Between Lives Implants" lecture, SHSBC #317. 23 July 1963.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram
John Dorsay
>
> This e-mail is from a friend of mine who is a practicing Christian. She
> wrote me this following her viewing of the International Association of
> Scientologists event videotape of Oct. '99. You hate mongers will come
> back and say she doesn't know the truth, but the fact is, Scientology
> works. If you anti-Scientologists didn't have such a narrow viewpoint,
> you could see the very thing that could help you.
It's far more likely that you just made the whole supposed "email" up
yourself, sock puppet. But I must compliment you on your creativity -
wrapping your antipsychiatry gibberish in the same message as some
self-serving cult PR crap results in a post which is at least partially
on topic.
--
Regards, John
Exceedingly Rude and Discourteous Psychiatric Pawn
Read about Scientology and the abuse of survivors of brain injury:
Arnie Lerma <www.lermanet.com>
>
>This e-mail is from a friend of mine {SSSSSSSSNNNNNIP )
L Ron Hubbard LIES
Scientology says L Ron Hubbard is SOURCE
Scientology LIES
Scientologists are directed to DUPLICATE SOURCE
VELCRO KITTY is a scientologist
Velcro Kitty LIES
-----
Corrollary - THERE ARE NO OTS THERE
Velcro Kitty
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak.
The only thing that always works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the liberty tree of the 90's
http://www.lermanet.com - mentioned 4 January 2000 in
The Washington Post's - 'Reliable Source' column re "Scientologist with no HEAD"
cici_aychar
"Velcro Kitty" <vel...@home.com> wrote in message
news:38F4D829...@home.com...
> This e-mail is from a friend of mine who is a practicing Christian. She
> wrote me this following her viewing of the International Association of
> Scientologists event videotape of Oct. '99. You hate mongers will come
> back and say she doesn't know the truth, but the fact is, Scientology
> works. If you anti-Scientologists didn't have such a narrow viewpoint,
> you could see the very thing that could help you.
>
>
>
really like about them is their absolute open views about freedom of
> religion. I was also very affected positively by Scientology's views of
> the Psychiatric big picture. I was working for two child psychiatrists
> in Port Credit when I quit to go and work for Anne full time. I had
> this uncomfortable feeling all the time I worked with the shrinks
> especially when children had been going to visit either one of these
> "doctors" for YEARS in some cases, yet, they were still experiencing the
> SAME problem they had from day one. I even asked the male partner of
> this married team one day why an 18 year old "child" was still visiting
> him after TEN years with the SAME problem.
Oh well then let's ask an internist, a neurologist, or the kindly family
doctor why a diabetic, an arthritic, an epileptic, a lupus victim, an
Alzheimer's patient, an asthmatic (like the Lawn Ornament), or an allergy
sufferer is still visiting him after TEN (or more) years with the SAME
problem. Makes about as much sense.
"What have you done for
> him?" I challenged but of course, he gave no answer because it took him
> all he could muster not to show his anger at the audacity I had in
> merely ASKING him. But I still say .. why does a person who's visited a
> psychiatrist for TEN years still require their services?
See the above and see if you can figure it out.
There were
> some lesser (and more) examples but from then on, I always had doubts
> about psychiatric "treatment" and after seeing this video, I'm delighted
> to see that I'm not alone in these thoughts.
This is a free country and you are entitled to your opinion.
>
> I also caught the interesting views about Germany and some of the tongue
> in cheek comments. Again, they share my views in many respects. But
> the biggest area that jumped out at me was the section on Criminon and
> Narconon and how LRH seems to have targeted the lifestyles of these
> "victims" of substance abuse and how they don't have to live that way.
> It seems to be a fresh and new concept of how to pull up your boot
> straps and get a handle on your life and he does it without all the
> useless lectures and tongue lashings of society (the same society that
> preaches 'do as I say, not as I do')and ironically, that same society is
> often part of the problem, not the solution, never mind all their
> glamorous programs and flashy get well quick schemes that lead the
> victim right back to the habit somewhere down the road.
Check out what actual medical doctors have to say about NarCONon and its
dangerous practices. Oh, and I'd say that anyone who refers to His Phatness
as LRH is already far down the road to being a rondroid.
>
> Scientology is very different to what was portrayed to me and I believe
> that if Christians were to read and apply those rule of thumb practices
> WITH their deep-rooted Christian beliefs, THEN they might be more
> convincing to an atheist that they are always trying to "convert".
As a practicing Christian, I would be refuting my beliefs is I applied the
$cn practices to them. There is no compatibility. Period. Full stop. This
person is either a milquetoast in-name-only Christian or else she is
misrepresenting her faith.
>
> I was impressed.
Brainwashed, you mean.
>
> By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
> everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
> can you look for a web address on it???
Freedom Rag, perhaps? Heh, heh.
>
> Also, I would like to know more about the courses (self help, etc)
> Scientology has. I'm interested in the fundamental lessons on how to
> get from point A to Z in life. I'm going to re-read some of the
> material I got from Lorrie I think it was and perhaps some you sent me
> but basically it's about the MAN, LRH. Now I want to learn what he has
> to say about life. I think there are booklets, etc.? Where can I get
> those?
A Christian would not need "fundamental lessons on how to get from point A
to Z in life." A true Christian already knows where the pathway is,
although not everything on it. The lessons are in a Book available in every
book store.
>
> Thanks again. I feel rejuvenated but I'm afraid I better get some sleep
> after all this thinking.
An "auditine" high??
>
> Good nite, my friend.
>
> jr
--
CiCi
Shy David www.xenu.net
wrote:
> This e-mail is from a friend of mine who is a practicing Christian.
"Somebody somewhere on this planet, back about 600 BC, found
some pieces of R6, and I don't know how they found it, either
by watching madmen or something, but since that time they have
used it and it became what is known as Christianity. The man on
the Cross. There was no Christ. But the man on the cross is
shown as Everyman. So of course each person seeing a crucified
man, has an immediate feeling of sympathy for this man.
Therefore you get many PCs who says they are Christ." -- Madman
Hubbard
---
"Shy" David Rice. A proud supporter and defender of religious rights. Help fight
religious descrimination! <http://holysmoke.org/tolerate.htm>
"The 'ho hasn't silence me yet." -- Grady Ward
diamond27
www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
at all the books and audio tapes.
Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup. Scientology and
Dianetics are the most fantastic things going. I have taken several
extension courses myself and I love them and Scientology. Decide for
yourself, look at those sites.
Velcro Kitty <vel...@home.com> wrote in message
news:38F4D829...@home.com...
> This e-mail is from a friend of mine who is a practicing Christian. She
> wrote me this following her viewing of the International Association of
> Scientologists event videotape of Oct. '99. You hate mongers will come
> back and say she doesn't know the truth, but the fact is, Scientology
> works. If you anti-Scientologists didn't have such a narrow viewpoint,
> you could see the very thing that could help you.
>
>
>
> >I am very impressed with the concept of Scientology. One of the things I
really like about them is their absolute open views about freedom of
> religion. I was also very affected positively by Scientology's views of
> the Psychiatric big picture. I was working for two child psychiatrists
> in Port Credit when I quit to go and work for Anne full time. I had
> this uncomfortable feeling all the time I worked with the shrinks
> especially when children had been going to visit either one of these
> "doctors" for YEARS in some cases, yet, they were still experiencing the
> SAME problem they had from day one. I even asked the male partner of
> this married team one day why an 18 year old "child" was still visiting
> him after TEN years with the SAME problem. "What have you done for
> him?" I challenged but of course, he gave no answer because it took him
> all he could muster not to show his anger at the audacity I had in
> merely ASKING him. But I still say .. why does a person who's visited a
> psychiatrist for TEN years still require their services? There were
> some lesser (and more) examples but from then on, I always had doubts
> about psychiatric "treatment" and after seeing this video, I'm delighted
> to see that I'm not alone in these thoughts.
>
> I also caught the interesting views about Germany and some of the tongue
> in cheek comments. Again, they share my views in many respects. But
> the biggest area that jumped out at me was the section on Criminon and
> Narconon and how LRH seems to have targeted the lifestyles of these
> "victims" of substance abuse and how they don't have to live that way.
> It seems to be a fresh and new concept of how to pull up your boot
> straps and get a handle on your life and he does it without all the
> useless lectures and tongue lashings of society (the same society that
> preaches 'do as I say, not as I do')and ironically, that same society is
> often part of the problem, not the solution, never mind all their
> glamorous programs and flashy get well quick schemes that lead the
> victim right back to the habit somewhere down the road.
>
> Scientology is very different to what was portrayed to me and I believe
> that if Christians were to read and apply those rule of thumb practices
> WITH their deep-rooted Christian beliefs, THEN they might be more
> convincing to an atheist that they are always trying to "convert".
>
> I was impressed.
>
> By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
> everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
> can you look for a web address on it???
>
> Also, I would like to know more about the courses (self help, etc)
> Scientology has. I'm interested in the fundamental lessons on how to
> get from point A to Z in life. I'm going to re-read some of the
> material I got from Lorrie I think it was and perhaps some you sent me
> but basically it's about the MAN, LRH. Now I want to learn what he has
> to say about life. I think there are booklets, etc.? Where can I get
> those?
>
> Thanks again. I feel rejuvenated but I'm afraid I better get some sleep
> after all this thinking.
>
Beverly Rice
> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are
> good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link
> and take a look at all the books and audio tapes.
Hey, now, you sute buy sneaky little body thetan you . . .
You forgot to tell them that it is not ~all~ the data
available on the Co$ and $cientology and Hubbardian
dogma they will find on the Co$ site.
If they want the truth about the courses and the teachings
that the Co$ will hide from them they sure can't get it at
the PR site of the Co$ you made available, and the Co$ will
never disclose that data until and unless the person does
two actions . . .
1) accept the mind of Hubbard
and
2) open their wallet wiiiiIIIIIIIIiiiiiide!!!!
However, because we here are willing to be even more helpful
and honest about the Co$ teachings, we will provide additional
URL's they can go to so they can truly see the ~rest~ of the
Co$/Hubbardian teachings and dogma of $cientology.
Now, the Co$ staff, PRO's, reg'es, and ignorant public that
don't even know what their own ~church~ teaches or believes
about "The Truth" about the spiritual facts regarding man,
will hype you up about being "Clear".
But the truth is, that by going "Clear", you are in what
Hubbard refers to, even in his policies, as being "In Danger",
and ~must~ get "Up The Bridge To OT" and through "The Wall
of Fire"!!!
Now, we will make that available here to you, the "OT"
(Operating Thetan) materials, so you don't have to worry
about ever going "Clear" and being "In Danger".
We here, on a.r.s., don't want to see any poor chumps not
having the opportunity to go OT, and it's for ~free~, that
is something you will never get with the Co$.
To "Go OT" . . . please click here:
http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/Co$/ot-docs.html
There ya go . . .
For more of the Upper Level Co$ teachings, including the
SHSBC (St. Hill Special Briefing Course) that alone is
approximately $32,000.00, you may click here:
After going to these URL's and reading them, you will be
just as OT as any Hubbardite who spent countless years of
their lives, and countless dollars they could have spent
on their husbands/wives/children . . .
But you will have done it for free and in an amazingly
short amount of time.
Actually, you will be ~more~ OT than a Co$ produced OT,
because you won't feel it is necessary for you to ~imagine~
you have powers that you don't have . . .
and therefore won't have to "buy" in to the "game" of
thinking you are something you are not.
> Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup.
Why, absolutely don't listen!!
Instead, listen to this idiot tell you to listen to him/her
tell you not to listen.
Then, you will have taken the biggest and most important
step in becoming a very good Hubbardite . . . .
you will be ~willing~ to let somebody else tell you what to
and not to listen to.
Why, isn't that easy!!!
$cientology . . .
Making you think for yourself by ~not~ thinking for yourself.
What a neat trick!!
> Scientology and
> Dianetics are the most fantastic things going. I have taken several
> extension courses myself and I love them and Scientology.
And look what it has obviously done for you.
But . . .
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
~don't~ listen . . .
whatever you do . . .
~don't~ ~listen~!!!
> Decide for
> yourself, look at those sites.
and then look at the sites that the Co$ won't promote.
Bet you can figure it out all on your own . . .
and nobody even has to tell you ~who~ to listen or not
listen to!!
:-)
ARCity ARC ARC,
Beverly
Steve Plakos
diamond27 wrote:
> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
> at all the books and audio tapes.
>
> Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup. Scientology and
> Dianetics are the most fantastic things going. I have taken several
> extension courses myself
An "extension course"? Oh I know, that's the deal where they run an extension
into your bank account and suck all your money back to the "church" vault.
SP
> and I love them and Scientology. Decide for
> yourself, look at those sites.
>
Arnie Lerma <www.lermanet.com>
>
>
>www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
>Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
>at all the books and audio tapes.
>
>Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup. Scientology and
Yeah, you too can be force fed with a turkeybaster
and it will be called Religious Freedom.
Arnie lerma
Kaeli
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.lisatrust.org
http://www.entheta.org
for a critical view as well. It's best to get both sides of the picture, and
then make an informed decision with both eyes open.
diamond27, no one is whining here. You are entitled to your viewpoint, as well
as the critics are.. that's the beauty of the Internet, right?
Kaeli.
diamond27 wrote:
> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
> at all the books and audio tapes.
>
> Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup. Scientology and
> Dianetics are the most fantastic things going. I have taken several
> extension courses myself and I love them and Scientology. Decide for
Kaeli
Captain Nerd
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> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a
> look at all the books and audio tapes.
And if you actually wanted to *read* the books, or *listen* to the
tapes, you have to pay through the nose.
Otherwise, they aren't much help, are they?
Cap.
(Why do you claim "prodigy.net" when you post from "splitrock.net"?)
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"By the taping of my glasses, something geeky this way passes."
barb
will give them a clue as to how the scientology organisation lies to its
adherents.
--
barb
"copy c:\clams.scn c:\scienos\scienos.pod"
-Sten (Koos Koos) Arne
barb
>
> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
> at all the books and audio tapes.
>
> Dianetics are the most fantastic things going. I have taken several
> extension courses myself and I love them and Scientology. Decide for
> yourself, look at those sites.
Don't forget to bring your wallet, credit cards, pink slip, and title to
your house when you visit!
>
> Velcro Kitty <vel...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:38F4D829...@home.com...
mes...@my-deja.com
I'll pay you $CASH$ (to make it worth your time) to forward each and
every one of the posts in this thread to your Christian friend.
Especially Rolands post! $Bonus$.
Does your Christian friend understand that s/he will be expected to
acknowledge Christ as an implant? And if He is an implant what should
we do now?
Sincerely,
Russ Bales
P.S. RE: your comment as to ARS'ers viewpoints being narrow;
an informed viewpoint is anything but narrow.
Let's inform your friend of Hubbard's view of Christ and Christianity
shall we?
In article <38F4D829...@home.com>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
barb
>
> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
> at all the books and audio tapes.
>
> Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup. Scientology and
> Dianetics are the most fantastic things going. I have taken several
> extension courses myself and I love them and Scientology. Decide for
> yourself, look at those sites.
And here's your first clue that 'Think For Yourself' is an insincere
slogan of the scientology organisation. "Don't listen to xxxxx!"
By all means, think for yourself and listen only to the cult shills.
They will paint you a rosy picture of scientology, with none of the dark
overtones the critics protest.
This is what they mean by 'Think for yourself.' Turn a blind eye to half
of the picture. Are you getting the clue yet?
>
> Velcro Kitty <vel...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:38F4D829...@home.com...
--
Fredric L. Rice
Velcro Kitty wrote:
> By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
> everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
> can you look for a web address on it???
And of course this sucker won't ever be told about what
Scientology is really all about until he or she pays up them
big bucks -- after being subjected to TR brainwashing
rituals to make him or her pliable and willing.
--
"It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The
lot of women is to be fornicated."-L. Ron Hubbard, "Affirmations" 1947
http://www.skeptictank.org/ http://www.xenu.net/ http://holysmoke.org/
Fredric L. Rice
> www.scientology.org or www.whatisscientology.org are good places to start.
> Once you are on those sites you can go to the bookstore link and take a look
> at all the books and audio tapes.
>
> Don't listen to the people who whine on this newsgroup.
Right, ignore the truth that's staring you in the face.
M. C. DiPietra
mes...@my-deja.com escribe en 4/13/00 11:36 AM:
> Dear Velcro Kitty,
> I'll pay you $CASH$ (to make it worth your time) to forward each and
> every one of the posts in this thread to your Christian friend.
> Especially Rolands post! $Bonus$.
> Does your Christian friend understand that s/he will be expected to
> acknowledge Christ as an implant? And if He is an implant what should
> we do now?
> Sincerely,
> Russ Bales
> P.S. RE: your comment as to ARS'ers viewpoints being narrow;
> an informed viewpoint is anything but narrow.
> Let's inform your friend of Hubbard's view of Christ and Christianity
> shall we?
I don't think ms. meow mix actually has a 'friend.'
Let's look at it more closely;
>
> In article <38F4D829...@home.com>,
> Velcro Kitty <vel...@home.com> wrote:
>> This e-mail is from a friend of mine who is a practicing Christian.
> She
>> wrote me this following her viewing of the International Association
> of
>> Scientologists event videotape of Oct. '99. You hate mongers will
> come
>> back and say she doesn't know the truth, but the fact is, Scientology
>> works. If you anti-Scientologists didn't have such a narrow viewpoint,
>> you could see the very thing that could help you.
yada, yada. "the fact is, Scn works." How the following indicates that, I do
not understand, unless "works" in Scn-ese means "sets up mark for fleecing."
OK, now on to kitty's little 'friend': None of this sounded like what I'd
write to a friend who had just introduced me to an interesting philosophy.
>>
>>> I am very impressed with the concept of Scientology. One of the
> things I really like about them is their absolute open views about
> freedom of
>> religion.
Establish that Scn=freedom of religion from the FIRST PARAGRAPH.
>> I was also very affected positively by Scientology's views of
>> the Psychiatric big picture. I was working for two child
>> psychiatrists
>> in Port Credit when I quit to go and work for Anne full time. I had
>> this uncomfortable feeling all the time I worked with the shrinks
>> especially when children had been going to visit either one of these
>> "doctors" for YEARS in some cases, yet, they were still experiencing the
>> SAME problem they had from day one. I even asked the male partner of
>> this married team one day why an 18 year old "child" was still visiting
>> him after TEN years with the SAME problem. "What have you done for
>> him?" I challenged but of course, he gave no answer because it took him
>> all he could muster not to show his anger at the audacity I had in
>> merely ASKING him. But I still say .. why does a person who's visited a
>> psychiatrist for TEN years still require their services?
Toss in a little questioning the validity of mental health professionals
[geez, a relative of mine has arthritis, another is diabetic, another has
cancer. Should they expect to be "cured" in ten years of going to the doctor
with the SAME problem?]
>> There were
>> some lesser (and more) examples but from then on, I always had doubts
>> about psychiatric "treatment" and after seeing this video, I'm delighted
>> to see that I'm not alone in these thoughts.
>>
More about how Scn is engaged in the good fight against the evil psychs.
>> I also caught the interesting views about Germany and some of the tongue
>> in cheek comments. Again, they share my views in many respects.
Now why would anyone but a Scn know about Scn's problems in Germany? How is
it that Ms. Just-learning-about-Scn is so privy to that information?
But
>> the biggest area that jumped out at me was the section on Criminon and
>> Narconon and how LRH seems to have targeted the lifestyles of these
>> "victims" of substance abuse and how they don't have to live that
> way.
>> It seems to be a fresh and new concept of how to pull up your boot
>> straps and get a handle on your life and he does it without all the
>> useless lectures and tongue lashings of society (the same society that
>> preaches 'do as I say, not as I do')and ironically, that same society
> is
>> often part of the problem, not the solution, never mind all their
>> glamorous programs and flashy get well quick schemes that lead the
>> victim right back to the habit somewhere down the road.
Yeah, nothing glamorous or flashy about Narconon or Criminon...and NO ONE
ELSE is doing ANYTHING about it... toss in a "bad society, no biscuit", and
BAM! you've got a sale! Ch-chinggg!
Is it just me or does the above sound ominously like a paraphrased sales
pitch?
>>
>> Scientology is very different to what was portrayed to me
by whom? Those silly wogs?
and I
>> believe that if Christians were to read and apply those rule of thumb
practices WITH their deep-rooted Christian beliefs, THEN they might be more
>> convincing to an atheist that they are always trying to "convert".
SLip in a bit on how Scn *really* is compatible with Christianity. Try to
cause some doubt!!
>>
>> I was impressed.
>>
>> By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
>> everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
>> can you look for a web address on it???
Cluelessness is not a crime. *sigh*
>>
>> Also, I would like to know more about the courses (self help, etc)
>> Scientology has. I'm interested in the fundamental lessons on how to
>> get from point A to Z in life.
The last sentence is pure Scn sales pitch.
I'm going to re-read some of the
>> material I got from Lorrie I think it was and perhaps some you sent me
>> but basically it's about the MAN, LRH. Now I want to learn what he
> has
>> to say about life. I think there are booklets, etc.? Where can I get
>> those?
Show someone reeeeeaaaaching...ch-ching!
>>
>> Thanks again. I feel rejuvenated but I'm afraid I better get some
> sleep
>> after all this thinking.
>>
>> Good nite, my friend.
>>
>> jr
>>
see how good I feel after just THINKING about Scn? It can work for YOU!
Now, remember ms. kitty's original reason for posting this--to prove that
Scn WORKS!
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M.C.DiPietra <mdip...@earthlink.net>, SP4
"Hell, if you understood everything I say,
you'd be me!" -Miles Davis
Tommy
>
> Velcro Kitty wrote:
>
> > By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
> > everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
> > can you look for a web address on it???
>
> Scientology is really all about until he or she pays up them
> big bucks -- after being subjected to TR brainwashing
> rituals to make him or her pliable and willing.
There is no email. She made the thing up out of whole cloth. This is
the fantasy letter she (or any staff) would like to receive from some
"raw meat", so she wrote it. I would like to receive a letter from Selma
Hayek saying she saw me on stage and can't sleep from thinking about me,
but I'll be damned if I would write one up (referring to things that
someone would not know about me) and post it to USENET.
Pitiful.
Tommy
>
> --
> "It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The
> lot of women is to be fornicated."-L. Ron Hubbard, "Affirmations" 1947
> http://www.skeptictank.org/ http://www.xenu.net/ http://holysmoke.org/
--
Church of $cientology's "ecclesiastical leader" David Miscavige on the
death of Lisa McPherson, a church member locked up until she died:
"At the time I don't think it was really thought to be that
significant an issue. She died. People die."
Fredric L. Rice
> Fredric L. Rice wrote:
> > Velcro Kitty wrote:
> >> By the way, I tried to find that magazine on the web and tried
> >> everything. Is there a web address in it? If you still have the mag,
> >> can you look for a web address on it???
> > And of course this sucker won't ever be told about what
> > Scientology is really all about until he or she pays up them
> > big bucks -- after being subjected to TR brainwashing
> > rituals to make him or her pliable and willing.
>
> There is no email. She made the thing up out of whole cloth. This is
> the fantasy letter she (or any staff) would like to receive from some
> "raw meat", so she wrote it. I would like to receive a letter from Selma
> Hayek saying she saw me on stage and can't sleep from thinking about me,
> but I'll be damned if I would write one up (referring to things that
> someone would not know about me) and post it to USENET.
I suspected as such but gave the insane bitch the benefit of
the doubt. These cultists have the need to self-validate their
"big wins" since they find the cult's squirreled technology to
be worse than useless.