I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe some ARS posters could offer some help.
Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. -------------------------------------------------------
The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing $20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself slurring but didn't understand why.
Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind of drug induced hallucination.
They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my system.
I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of Tequila.
Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote all my time to it now.
According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to serve 30 days in jail.
The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing possible jail time.
I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
Paul Horner AKA FRED DURKS PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
Please, could you send some scanned evidence? I dunno what you could choose, but legal papers or such (even blackening your name and adress) would be fine.
Your story looks quite possible - clams ahve done lots of crimes in the past and we have some few reasons to believe now that the upper clam is now as crazy or crazier than was his guru founder. But this is only an opinion based of second hand witnessings.
Thanks,
roger
"Fred Durks" <freddu...@stopscientology.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 1130584891.613210.46...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at > http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at > Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe some > ARS posters could offer some help.
> Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
> What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th > to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. > -------------------------------------------------------
> The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting > it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
> Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my > apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing > $20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
> We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, > something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me > or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
> The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain > turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I > see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building > where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and > couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up > but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the > parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself > slurring but didn't understand why.
> Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. > They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told > them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my > mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind > of drug induced hallucination.
> They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
> For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to > drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
> I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
> I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from > me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my > system.
> I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
> When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, > boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared > because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
> Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
> I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few > weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of > Tequila.
> Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because > sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in > emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the > same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
> NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO > NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
> I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT > AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
> This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded > not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they > said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of > their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
> I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my > other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote > all my time to it now.
> According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to > serve 30 days in jail.
> The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
> Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. > You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing > possible jail time.
> I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
> Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
> Paul Horner > AKA FRED DURKS > PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
> SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE > SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END > TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, > BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. > YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
Ouch!! Get a full medical physical examination, paying particular attention to any fresh bodily injuries or marks. Have a blood sample taken and analysed - ditto urine, although it maybe a bit late now.
Find yourself a lawyer and consider using a pi to ride herd for you - it's possible that the local police may view this as a routine DUI case and not allocate much in the way of investigative resources.
Identify any surveillance cameras that may cover the areas in question. Check local crime records/newspapers to see whether there have been any other similar occurences.
Might an insomniac neighbour have heard somethimg around the time you think this happened?
Give some thought to the possibility that you have severely pissed someone *else* off, closer to home, other than CoS.
> I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at > http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at > Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe some > ARS posters could offer some help.
> Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
> What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th > to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. > -------------------------------------------------------
> The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting > it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
> Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my > apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing > $20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
> We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, > something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me > or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
> The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain > turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I > see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building > where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and > couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up > but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the > parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself > slurring but didn't understand why.
> Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. > They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told > them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my > mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind > of drug induced hallucination.
> They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
> For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to > drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
> I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
> I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from > me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my > system.
> I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
> When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, > boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared > because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
> Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
> I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few > weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of > Tequila.
> Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because > sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in > emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the > same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
> NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO > NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
> I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT > AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
> This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded > not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they > said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of > their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
> I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my > other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote > all my time to it now.
> According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to > serve 30 days in jail.
> The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
> Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. > You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing > possible jail time.
> I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
> Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
> Paul Horner > AKA FRED DURKS > PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
> SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE > SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END > TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, > BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. > YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
On Saturday 29 October 2005 07:21, Fred Durks opined:
> I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at > http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at > Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe > some ARS posters could offer some help.
Taking this at face value notwithstanding some inconsistencies, *get yourself a competent criminal attorney* this minute!
No offense, but discussing the matter in this forum is profoundly stupid. For that matter, you should not be discussing this with anyone other than your lawyer.
Stop playing CSI. Your attorney may advise you to retain an investigator. Anything you do will most probably make a bigger mess of things.
You may very well have an improper termination suit against your former employer - although you have already gone out of your way to dilute it by not knowing when to shut up. Do *not* discuss any of this with former co-workers. Consult with a lawyer specializing in these matters now with any eye to pursuing the issue once you dispose of the criminal matter.
> I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at > http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at > Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe some > ARS posters could offer some help.
> Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
> What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th > to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. > -------------------------------------------------------
> The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting > it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
> Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my > apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing > $20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
> We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, > something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me > or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
> The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain > turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I > see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building > where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and > couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up > but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the > parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself > slurring but didn't understand why.
> Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. > They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told > them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my > mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind > of drug induced hallucination.
> They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
> For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to > drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
> I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
> I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from > me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my > system.
> I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
> When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, > boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared > because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
> Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
> I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few > weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of > Tequila.
> Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because > sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in > emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the > same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
> NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO > NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
> I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT > AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
> This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded > not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they > said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of > their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
> I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my > other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote > all my time to it now.
> According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to > serve 30 days in jail.
> The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
> Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. > You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing > possible jail time.
> I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
> Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
> Paul Horner > AKA FRED DURKS > PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
> SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE > SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END > TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, > BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. > YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
In article <DFL8f.8298$U67.7939@trnddc07>, Traif-Fil...@TQMcube.com says...
<snip>
> Taking this at face value notwithstanding some inconsistencies, *get > yourself a competent criminal attorney* this minute!
> No offense, but discussing the matter in this forum is profoundly > stupid. For that matter, you should not be discussing this with anyone > other than your lawyer.
Agreed. Nobody *wants* a lawyer, until they need one, and even if it means going into debt a bit, good lawyers don't start getting expensive till they're supposed to *do* something.
A thousand bucks worth of good advice is worth it.
Zinj -- Villains! I say to you now! Knock off all that Evil! - The Tick
I'd like to be sympathetic to this, really I would. But I can't. The story's nothing more than a stinking, steaming pile. And the actions of drunk drivers have real-world consequences. A very good friend of mine nearly died because of the actions of a rush hour drunk some years back.
Since I live and drive in Mesa, AZ, I'd like to thank the Mesa Police Department for getting a .19 BAC off the streets of my city.
Paul Horner may be a so-called "critic", but that doesn't mean he's exempt from the law.
> I'd like to be sympathetic to this, really I would. But I can't. The > story's nothing more than a stinking, steaming pile. And the actions of > drunk drivers have real-world consequences. A very good friend of mine > nearly died because of the actions of a rush hour drunk some years > back.
But, Mirele, he's saying he only had a couple drinks. Not a fifth of liquor.
We know he's been harassed over his 'site for a while, by CofS. And now his apartment was gone through and tossed.
It sounds to me like he was slipped some roofies than some booze poured down his throat.
And it sounds like it could be CofS.
> Since I live and drive in Mesa, AZ, I'd like to thank the Mesa Police > Department for getting a .19 BAC off the streets of my city.
> Paul Horner may be a so-called "critic", but that doesn't mean he's > exempt from the law.
But he's saying he didn't have a fifth of liquor, which is what it would have taken- that or an equivalent- to make his alcohol level rise to that level.
Don't you want to exclude set ups in your thesis? I do.
On Saturday 29 October 2005 12:09, Ball of Fluff opined:
> His apartment was gone through and he has already described a pattern > of harassment from CofS - PREVIOUSLY- over this Scientomogy website.
> He needs to alert the media, too.
Taking it at face value (disregarding some inconsistencies); He *needs* to do nothing until he consults with a reputable criminal attorney! He never should have posted here in the first place.
> I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at > http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at > Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe some > ARS posters could offer some help.
> Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
> What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th > to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. > -------------------------------------------------------
> The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting > it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
> Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my > apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing > $20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
> We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, > something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me > or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
> The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain > turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I > see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building
find that parking attendant, get a statement from him/her as to how the vehicle came to be on that curb. if it turns out someone else drove the vehicle to that spot with you in the back seat, got out of the vehicle and into another vehicle and left the scene...SOMEONE had to have seen it happen.
you also made a HUGE mistake not calling the police about the burglary at your apartment and when it comes to the breathalyzer...you should have demanded a blood test instead this would have shown any "other" substances that may have been in your system at this point you may be left with few options other than a "no contest" plea
but make an effort to find someone, anyone, who may have witnessed events at the apartment or the work building.
> where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and > couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up > but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the > parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself > slurring but didn't understand why.
> Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. > They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told > them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my > mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind > of drug induced hallucination.
> They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
> For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to > drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
> I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
> I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from > me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my > system.
> I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
> When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, > boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared > because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
> Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
> I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few > weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of > Tequila.
> Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because > sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in > emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the > same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
> NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO > NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
> I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT > AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
> This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded > not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they > said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of > their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
> I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my > other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote > all my time to it now.
> According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to > serve 30 days in jail.
> The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
> Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. > You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing > possible jail time.
> I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
> Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
> Paul Horner > AKA FRED DURKS > PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
> SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE > SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END > TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, > BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. > YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
You dont say in your post what it is you are being charged with, I am going to assume it was DUI/DWI. If you were in the back seat when you awoke, and not operating the vehicle when police arrived, and nobody witnessed you operating the vehicle.... Then an argument can be made that you were not driving under the influence, not that this argument will be successful. Throwing up conspiracy theories without any supporting evidence isnt going to get anywhere either. You need a witness....start knocking on doors and making phone calls...find that witness.
"SirLagsALot" <texassold...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
> > What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th > > to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting > > it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
> > Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my > > apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing > > $20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
> > We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, > > something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me > > or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
> > The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain > > turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I > > see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building
> find that parking attendant, get a statement from him/her as to how the > vehicle came to be on that curb. > if it turns out someone else drove the vehicle to that spot with you in the > back seat, got out of the vehicle and into another vehicle and left the > scene...SOMEONE had to have seen it happen.
> you also made a HUGE mistake not calling the police about the burglary at > your apartment > and when it comes to the breathalyzer...you should have demanded a blood > test instead > this would have shown any "other" substances that may have been in your > system > at this point you may be left with few options other than a "no contest" > plea
> but make an effort to find someone, anyone, who may have witnessed events at > the apartment or the work building.
> > where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and > > couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up > > but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the > > parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself > > slurring but didn't understand why.
> > Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. > > They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told > > them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my > > mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind > > of drug induced hallucination.
> > They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
> > For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to > > drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
> > I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
> > I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from > > me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my > > system.
> > I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
> > When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, > > boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared > > because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
> > Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
> > I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few > > weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of > > Tequila.
> > Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because > > sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in > > emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the > > same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
> > NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO > > NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
> > I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT > > AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
> > This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded > > not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they > > said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of > > their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
> > I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my > > other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote > > all my time to it now.
> > According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to > > serve 30 days in jail.
> > The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
> > Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. > > You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing > > possible jail time.
> > I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
> > Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
> > Paul Horner > > AKA FRED DURKS > > PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
> > SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE > > SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END > > TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, > > BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. > > YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
> You dont say in your post what it is you are being charged with, I am > going > to assume it was DUI/DWI. > If you were in the back seat when you awoke, and not operating the vehicle > when police arrived, and nobody witnessed you operating the vehicle.... > Then an argument can be made that you were not driving under the > influence, > not that this argument will be successful. > Throwing up conspiracy theories without any supporting evidence isnt going > to get anywhere either. > You need a witness....start knocking on doors and making phone > calls...find > that witness.
I think so, too. One thing, though, I have seen in my state, (WA, not AZ) is I know of two people who were arrested for drunk driving when they weren't driving. They were in their cars. The cars weren't running. The key was in the ignition. They were drunk.
In article <j2kc33-cvb....@news.TQMcube.com>, David Cary Hart <Traif-Fil...@TQMcube.com> wrote:
> On Saturday 29 October 2005 12:09, Ball of Fluff opined:
> > His apartment was gone through and he has already described a pattern > > of harassment from CofS - PREVIOUSLY- over this Scientomogy website.
> > He needs to alert the media, too.
> Taking it at face value (disregarding some inconsistencies); He *needs* > to do nothing until he consults with a reputable criminal attorney! He > never should have posted here in the first place.
Yep
and his first order of business should be to save his sorry ass, not fight cos.
> "Mirele" <mir...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1130601132.819650.77140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > I'd like to be sympathetic to this, really I would. But I can't. The > > story's nothing more than a stinking, steaming pile. And the actions of > > drunk drivers have real-world consequences. A very good friend of mine > > nearly died because of the actions of a rush hour drunk some years > > back.
> But, Mirele, he's saying he only had a couple drinks. Not a fifth of liquor.
> We know he's been harassed over his 'site for a while, by CofS. And now his > apartment was gone through and tossed.
> It sounds to me like he was slipped some roofies than some booze poured down > his throat.
> And it sounds like it could be CofS.
> > Since I live and drive in Mesa, AZ, I'd like to thank the Mesa Police > > Department for getting a .19 BAC off the streets of my city.
> > Paul Horner may be a so-called "critic", but that doesn't mean he's > > exempt from the law.
> But he's saying he didn't have a fifth of liquor, which is what it would > have taken- that or an equivalent- to make his alcohol level rise to that > level.
rule of thumb for alcohol intake..... .05 rise per drink per hour for 150 lb person. so .19 is four beers in an hour not a fifth
a guy drinking four beers in an hour is not a feat of ledergemain
he said he had two....
but look at his site soberhookup.com and make your own judgement about his involvement with alcohol....
> "SirLagsALot" <texassold...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > news:oyO8f.4706$D13.4532@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com... >> You dont say in your post what it is you are being charged with, I am >> going >> to assume it was DUI/DWI. >> If you were in the back seat when you awoke, and not operating the >> vehicle >> when police arrived, and nobody witnessed you operating the vehicle.... >> Then an argument can be made that you were not driving under the >> influence, >> not that this argument will be successful. >> Throwing up conspiracy theories without any supporting evidence isnt >> going >> to get anywhere either. >> You need a witness....start knocking on doors and making phone >> calls...find >> that witness.
> I think so, too. One thing, though, I have seen in my state, (WA, not AZ) > is I know of two people who were arrested for drunk driving when they > weren't driving. They were in their cars. The cars weren't running. The > key was in the ignition. They were drunk.
> One of them got this thrown out, however.
> C
As I told you last night: Get an attorey right away. This is legal, as you know, and you need someone to help you.
I told you where.
Also, get as much proof as you can, and if someone here didn't mention it: Bring a camera with you, and take photos of ANY and ALL weird/odd cars that seem to be following you. Get a photo of the license plate.
> "Mirele" <mir...@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1130601132.819650.77140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> I'd like to be sympathetic to this, really I would. But I can't. The >> story's nothing more than a stinking, steaming pile. And the actions of >> drunk drivers have real-world consequences. A very good friend of mine >> nearly died because of the actions of a rush hour drunk some years >> back.
> But, Mirele, he's saying he only had a couple drinks. Not a fifth of > liquor.
> We know he's been harassed over his 'site for a while, by CofS. And now > his apartment was gone through and tossed.
> It sounds to me like he was slipped some roofies than some booze poured > down his throat.
> And it sounds like it could be CofS.
>> Since I live and drive in Mesa, AZ, I'd like to thank the Mesa Police >> Department for getting a .19 BAC off the streets of my city.
>> Paul Horner may be a so-called "critic", but that doesn't mean he's >> exempt from the law.
> But he's saying he didn't have a fifth of liquor, which is what it would > have taken- that or an equivalent- to make his alcohol level rise to that > level.
> Don't you want to exclude set ups in your thesis? I do.
> C
Exactly. Mirele................I doubt most of us here are supportive of drunk driving, in fact, I know I have just as much passion against it as you do, and I'm sure most here do, too.
However, many of us have been Fair Gamed, set up, and screwed by the organiztion hiding behind the curtain of religion: The "church" <gack for them!> of Scientology. If you read what Paul wrote, he wasn't driving drunk. Our guess, over on Operation Clambake, is that he was Tazar'd..............or hit with a needle filled with something that knocked him out. Tazar's do long enough to drive someone for 20 min's the cops told me.
Was it that? His blood test shall tell what's up for real. They won't tell re the Tazar, but if he was hurt, which it sounds like in the back, that Dr's can see and note.
Proof is of the essence here. Get as much as you can.
You know, standards of logic and proof don't, or shouldn't, get thrown out the window when the accusation being made is against Scientologists or the Church of Scientology.
Just a question - why exactly should anyone believe that any Scientologist committed blatantly illegal, criminal behavior (drugging, kidnapping, with that BAC attempted murder, breaking and entering) against some guy with whom they have a pretty dull domain name dispute? What proof? What pattern of behavior does this fit?
If the answer is "none," then one might consider that there are pretty clear scenarios that fit what's described here, but I won't get into that except to say that Scientologists have nothing to do with that.
In the meantime, seriously, get a lawyer. And Scientology is not a catchall target for anything someone does not want to take responsibility for.
David Cary Hart wrote: > On Saturday 29 October 2005 12:09, Ball of Fluff opined:
>>His apartment was gone through and he has already described a pattern >>of harassment from CofS - PREVIOUSLY- over this Scientomogy website.
>>He needs to alert the media, too.
> Taking it at face value (disregarding some inconsistencies); He *needs* > to do nothing until he consults with a reputable criminal attorney! He > never should have posted here in the first place.
And we need to do nothing until the blood tests and interviews are completed.
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
SirLagsALot wrote: > You dont say in your post what it is you are being charged with, I am going > to assume it was DUI/DWI. > If you were in the back seat when you awoke, and not operating the vehicle > when police arrived, and nobody witnessed you operating the vehicle.... > Then an argument can be made that you were not driving under the influence, > not that this argument will be successful. > Throwing up conspiracy theories without any supporting evidence isnt going > to get anywhere either. > You need a witness....start knocking on doors and making phone calls...find > that witness.
<snip> In california that only works if you don't have the car keys in your possession...and sometimes, not even then.
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance." This assistance might involve holding you against your will for an indefinite period, isolating you from friends and family, and denying you access to appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not, the release form absolves your caretakers of all responsibility for your suffering and death.
This is just the angle or "button" the cult would use in framing this particular individual. The cult probably did the same research as you just did--or you shared your research.
> There is a little credibility gap here.....amusing though > I'll say get a good lawyer also...
Of course if scientology shows up at the prosecution table--as they did in the Keith Henson trial--then you know they are behind it.
If "research from the internet on you shows up at the prosecution table, get testimony on how the prosecutor got this information.
> In article <1130584891.613210.46...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > "Fred Durks" <freddu...@stopscientology.com> wrote:
>>I don't usually post here, so I'm going to stay on this thread at >>http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=15069 because I'm looking at >>Jailtime, fines, plus I already lost my job. I just thought maybe some >>ARS posters could offer some help.
>>Please email me at f...@stopscientology.com if you can help in anyway-
>>What religion would do this to a critic? Anyway- I have till NOV 28th >>to prove my case. Any help would be appreciated. >>-------------------------------------------------------
>>The story I'm about to tell is %100 true, I swear to god. I'm posting >>it because I need help and I don't want to go to jail.
>>Early Thursday morning, 10/28/05 my friend was dropping me off at my >>apartment. It was around 2 AM. We had just come from the Casino playing >>$20 on Black Jack. We had each drank about 2-3 Coronas (12 oz beers).
>>We parted ways and I began to walk up to my apartment. Halfway there, >>something happened. I can't describe what, but something came around me >>or......Everything became cloudy and then, I blacked out %100.
>>The next thing I know it's around 10:45 AM (10/28/05) and my brain >>turns on again. I'm in the back seat of my car. I open my door and I >>see that my car had hit a curb directly in front of my office building >>where I work. My mind state was like a dream, I could barely walk and >>couldn't think straight. I opened my driver door and tried backing up >>but my car was stuck. In a foggy like dream state, I went up to the >>parking attendant and asked if he could help me. I could hear myself >>slurring but didn't understand why.
>>Then when I go back to my car, out of no where, like 12 cops show up. >>They asked me what happened and I told them that I didn't know. I told >>them I had no clue how I got there. Still, the words coming out of my >>mouth were very hard to speak and it was still like I was in some kind >>of drug induced hallucination.
>>They gave me a breathalyzer test. I blew a .19 at 10:45 AM.
>>For those that don't know what a .19 is - basically you would need to >>drink a fifth of 80 percent liquor to achieve those kinds of numbers.
>>I was handcuffed and arrested. I blacked out again.
>>I remember being in a holding cell. I remember them drawing blood from >>me, which I will have access to in a few days to see what was in my >>system.
>>I was in jail for over 11 hours until I could get bonded out.
>>When I finally got home, my apartment was a wreck. Papers gone through, >>boxes knocked over. I was going to call the cops but I was scared >>because the previous 11 hours of cops was enough for me.
>>Then I logically tried to figure out how this could have happened.
>>I have had a half bottle of Tequila in my freezer for the last few >>weeks. I opened my freezer and there was still a half bottle of >>Tequila.
>>Then I remembered that I had about 10 xanax that I keep on hand because >>sometimes I get real bad anxiety attacks. I only use them in >>emergencies when the pain from anxiety gets too bad. I still had the >>same 10 xanax that I had before this incident.
>>NOTHING ELSE IN MY HOUSE COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO ME. IN ARIZONA THEY DO >>NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2 AM.
>>I DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM WHEN I WAS WALKING UP TO MY APARTMENT >>AND THE COPS SHOWING UP.
>>This morning, 10/28/05, I had my first court appearance where I pleaded >>not guilty. I showed up to work after the court appearance and they >>said they had to let me go because of the scene I made in front of >>their offices that looked like an episode of COPS.
>>I said that was fine. I make plenty of money to support my self with my >>other web site stuff, and will actually make more since I can devote >>all my time to it now.
>>According to Arizona law, because of the .19 that I blew, I have to >>serve 30 days in jail.
>>The court case to show evidence or prove my case is NOV 28th 2005.
>>Congrats to you scientologist pieces of shit on this temporary victory. >>You got my car impounded, got me fired from my job, and I'm now facing >>possible jail time.
>>I don't have a lawyer anymore because that was through my work.
>>Any ideas, suggestions, or help would be much appreciated-
>>Paul Horner >>AKA FRED DURKS >>PM me - respond to the thread - or email me at p...@netskrill.com
>>SCIENTOLOGIST- I WILL NOT STOP EXPOSING YOUR CON- DRUG ME, KICK THE >>SHIT OUT OF ME, WHATEVER. THIS ONLY MAKES ME MORE PISSED TO PUT AN END >>TO YOUR SCAM. YOU MIGHT HAVE LIMITED MY RESOURCES A LITTLE TEMPORARILY, >>BUT I HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN FROM LEGITIMATE BUSINESSES I OWN. >>YOU WILL BE EXPOSED, YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT.
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