TECH outside COS: Wins from Frankie Freeman's auditing.
Terrilpark
What benefits I got from working with Frankie
I see a defensive pattern in myself, which I realize is ineffective
and negatively charged. It is an habitual and relentless justification
of my shortcomings. I found a particular relief in the absence of
these behaviors throughout Frankie's processes and direction. I also
observed a surprising degree of peacefulness come over both E and
myself as I became very capable of accepting accountability for my
dishonesty/overts and withholds, in regard to my adored fiancee. Thank
you. CC
It was a pleasure meeting and working with Frankie. It was magical to
witness his ability of the "power of clearing..." via allowing a space
of few words and total intention. He held a space for clear
communication and love to prevail. We are blessed to have met and
worked with such a miraculous spirit. All our love, EH
For more information on services in the Freezone,
mail me, Terril Park, at basic...@yahoo.com
Volkov
But... But... But... Ah, forget it. :) I sure would like to know what
benefits Frankie's "power of clearing" has. Who knows, I may drop a few
hundred and get cleared myself. :)
I've been feeling impacted lately.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
> TECH outside COS: Wins from Frankie Freeman's auditing.
>
Hey Terril Park,
You know I think the Independents, and the old freezone people are
better than official Scientology, in that they don't do the OSA
Hubbard scriptures, nor do they do heavy ethics, nor disconnection.
But honestly, I'd prefer to see Hubbard's ideas shared and peer
reviewed, and allowed to be absorbed into psychoanalysis, which is a
peer reviewed field at least.
Scientology processes lead to Hubbard's various "upper level" high
volume exorcism talk therapy psychotherapy.
I can't support the standalone nature of Scientology/Hubbardites, who
might be making some "case gains" in some people with some aspects of
what Hubbard's talk psychotherapy therapist questions elicit from the
patients ("preclears"), but I would much rather that some Class 8's go
to college newly, and train in the history of psychotherapy, and
become mainstream psychotherapists.
Hubbard's "body thetan" exorcism, is limiting, and precludes
psychiatry's use of drugs in the worst case scenarios, and I favor and
recommend sane psychiatry and psychotherapy application over
Scientology "body thetan" exorcism when dealing with mentally ill
patients.
The "lower levels" grades might have some helpful therapeutic benefit.
It will be decades before psychotherapists do some detailed peer
reviews of Hubbard's "lower level" therapist questions that
Scientology uses for the benefit of "cases" of people.
Frankie, I realize it's way too late in life for him, but I'd have
liked to see him do like Mike Douglas did, and get trained in
university and gone the more traditional psychotherapist path AFTER
leaving Hubbard/Scientology psychotherapy and the Hubbard science
fiction-esque dead alien soul exorcism.
The actuality of the "upper levels" is becoming more and more common
public knowledge, and more and more the correct defining of
Scientology as merely Hubbard's spiritual style (science fiction past
lives) psychotherapy.
"body thetans" are a very hard sell, and logically they don't really
make much sense, at least to me.
Chuck
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PS: Some ex Scientologists who are even "old" OT 8, who were set out
to pasture by official Scientology, because official Scientology
considers them "illegal pcs" for one reason or another, and these ex
OT people, who aren't willing to go to people like Frankie, I have to
simply do "two way comm" with them. Because some people simply seem
to want to have official Scientology still "fix" them up, but official
Scientology won't, and even independents don't sound like an option to
these discarded ex official Scientologists! What a weird state of
affiars. Just thought I'd throw in what is "on my lines" at
present.
Voltaire's Child
"Volkov" <volk...@gmail.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:j2euaa$bnq$4...@speranza.aioe.org...
Frankie's a nice guy, actually. IMO, if CofS had people like him and those
were the ones setting the policies and running the show, you wouldn't have
disconnection, freeloader debts, insane staff contracts, RPF, etc.
C
Dennis Erlich
>Terrilpark wrote:
>> TECH outside COS: Wins from Frankie Freeman's auditing.
>> fran...@planetfreeman.com
>> What benefits I got from working with Frankie
Vol
>But... But... But... Ah, forget it. :) I sure would like to know what
>benefits Frankie's "power of clearing" has. Who knows, I may drop a few
>hundred and get cleared myself. :)
>
>I've been feeling impacted lately.
Frankie and I twinned on the RPF at Flag. IIRC I trained and interned
him on NOTs and was his cramming officer while he audited in the Flag
HGC.
I don't recommend auditing ... but if you insist anyone audit you,
Frankie would be a good choice.
D
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"We can cure cancer. We just can't ~say~ we can." - Elrong Hubturd (XDn Tape 2)
Dennis Erlich
>Frankie's a nice guy, actually. IMO, if CofS had people like him and those
>were the ones setting the policies and running the show, you wouldn't have
>disconnection, freeloader debts, insane staff contracts, RPF, etc.
If you met him, Fluff, then you know what a nice guy he is.
Terrilpark
wrote:
Hi Chuck,
There has been much effort to get Hubbard's ideas
shared. The lower levels are in the red vols and easily available, the
upper levels have been all over the net for a decade now.
Note that TIR and Metapsychology as written by Sarge Gerbode [ a
psychaitrist pre Scn studies] with help
from Mayo has entered the mainstream. It can be studied for university
credits in the USA , and here in the UK most former practicing
scientologists use these rather than Scn. One practitioner teaches
courses in TIR and metapsychology
here and most students are sociologists and mainstream therapists. I
have scn friends who studied with them.
I know several scientologists or former scientologists who have
trained in
psychology and have degrees in it. Certainly Mary Freeman [ class
VIII] has good contacts with Sarge.
With regard to excorcism this is a complex issue. With regard to OT
2 and 3
which I've done they were excellent gains to be had. Not really
similar to conventional excorcism as I understand it. I know of people
who have run NOTs to excellent effect on beginners. Two of them are
friends of mine, the auditor and the client. My father was an
Episcopalian priest and unusually was also an
excorcist.
My wife is an assistent Catholic Excorcist, and her and her fellows
get excellent results including those with mental problems. They are
from the Phillipines and probably are mixing Shamanism with
Catholocism, as the usual scenario is removing curses. However the
commands are quite simple, "go away"
and much praying is done.
More than one way to skin a cat!
.I don't personally think the Xenu story is true. I think OT 3 works
by running explosions, as per the early Pab 12.
bb
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Great answer. That was very informative for me. Thanks so much.
This type of discussion of Hubbard's "tech" I think while Hubbard
would NOT wish this type of discussion, I think that it is entirely
MORE human nature to have a free and non penalty discussion of ANY
aspect of Hubbard's "tech".
Thanks! Great leads and that's new info for me, thanks so much.
The whole TIR psychotherapy I'll have to find a good book covering it,
do you know of any?
Chuck
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
This TIR practitioner, I found giving a talk on YouTube, looks
suspiciously at bit too much like 1-9,A-D of "Dianetics Today" 1975
edition, by L. Ron Hubbard.
And the practitioner, in his talk, pretty much voices Hubbard
concepts, straight OUT of "Dianetics Today", 1975 edition.
The Serge Gerbode YouTube interviews, I see Sarge just mentions Freud,
Rogers, Pavolov, which I think is wiser.
This TIR practitioner kinda loses my respect for TIR, through this
video. Not that I like 1-9,A-D of "standard Dianetics", but this
video kinda loses my respect as someone who gives TIR a big stamp of
approval.
Skipper
<e7178e45-a4db-4097...@s12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, <
@aol.com"> wrote:
I believe I met Gerbode once at Celebrity Centre. Not impressed. Every
single one of the "OTs" that got a lot of notice in the $cientology
network in those days were, almost without fail, arrogant, believing
they were in the advance guard of some new spiritual elite.
Finally, when it became clear to them that Elwrong was crazy as hell
(or whatever), they just couldn't help themselves, trying to justify
all their time wasted in his barely disguised abreaction and other
completely invented lunacies like OT3, so they tried to couch it in
other terms and methodologies and continue being "counselors" to make
as much money as they did ripping people off with Dianetic$ and
$cientology. One of them, Mary Maren, has dropped completely out of the
grid, hides from the government, and takes payments via Paypal for
whatever type of nutball "tech" she's promoting (I haven't bothered to
investigate, but I never gave a damn about any of these
"alternatives").
I never met one of them who was sane, and never expect to.
Terrilpark
> In article
> <e7178e45-a4db-4097-802d-384ada5bb...@s12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, <
Mary Maren [ class VIII] is now Mary Freeman and is quite openly
practicing outside COS, with a website and all, and her and Frankie
have joined up forces with Les and Anita Warren. I'll have to post
some of the successes.
bb
Terrilpark
wrote:
The thing is that TIR is basicly Dianetics written in simpler
language. Its not suprising that it resembles " Dianetics Today". That
incidentally was withdrawn as many of the LRH C/Sed cases were on
people clear and above.
Sarge Gerbode in his book " Metapsychology" [ the most important
and founding text of the subject] did comment in the forward that he
was doing his day job as a psychiatrist whilst training in scn [ up to
class VI] in the evenings, and comments he found his work with scn was
more effective. And their was much input from Mayo I'm told.
Sarge funded Mayo's legal costs for a decade, and then felt enough
was enough and decided to write and create " Metapsychology".
bb
Dennis Erlich
> Mary Maren [ class VIII] is now Mary Freeman and is quite openly
>practicing outside COS, with a website and all,
She and Frankie were trained to rigorous standards. As their cramming
officer, I would know. So I'm sure anyone would be safe in their
hands. Whatever they were practicing. :)
Effective? Well that's another (very subjective) matter.
Skipper
<502ed305-facf-4c16...@z15g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Terrilpark <terri...@googlemail.com> wrote:
The TIR is quasi-abreaction.
And every time you post a "win" it's just GENERALIZED BULLSHIT. If I
check Wikipedia for "loser" I'll find you, won't I?
Skipper
<MileyCy...@PedoWanker.gov> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:30:07 -0700 I told Skipper that the only kook I've
> known is on modern Usenet. A snug-busting gauntlet of inefficiency and
> misery that's one long parade of letdowns, putdowns, trickle-downs,
> shutouts, freeze-outs, sellouts, numb-nuts, nickenputz and nimrods:
>
> > The TIR is quasi-abreaction.
> >
> > And every time you post a "win" it's just GENERALIZED BULLSHIT. If I
> > check Wikipedia for "loser" I'll find you, won't I?
>
> Basicly Traumatic Incident Reduction is almost an exact book one version
> of Dianetics. Except an auditor (I mean facilitator) is more or less even
> more useless as the preclear (I mean client) just reviews their time
> track (I mean videotape) silently by 'em selves with very little commands
> or statements... Basicly your paying Frank Gerbode money to re-remember
> stuff you already remember.
Thanks for the info, Robert. I always thought Gerbode was a prick.
Skipper
<MileyCy...@PedoWanker.gov> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:34:23 -0700 I told Skipper that the only kook I've
> known is on modern Usenet. A snug-busting gauntlet of inefficiency and
> misery that's one long parade of letdowns, putdowns, trickle-downs,
> shutouts, freeze-outs, sellouts, numb-nuts, nickenputz and nimrods:
>
> > Thanks for the info, Robert. I always thought Gerbode was a prick.
>
> He is a prick, but is doing pretty well for himself with a large
> following of middle aged, unmarried women paying thousands to become
> licensed TIR "facilitators". Yes people are paying him a fortune to learn
> how to do pretty much nothing... seriously!
I'd say unbelievable but I'm out of words for those knuckleheads any
more, and every crazy thing they do truly is believable in their
context.