Marty R. trashes someone who asks polite, rational questions
Eldon
comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
Good Gawd. This is really screwed up.
Alonzo //
Marty wrote:
“…I have lent effort to a number of 3rd dynamic justice actions in the
past nine months that have been wasted, severely delayed, and possibly
outright sabotaged by “the far left of the Scientology spectrum”. At
the end of the day, if they don’t clean up their act – and show some
tolerance – like your words “I respect anyone who still wants to
practice Scientology” – I may end up mobilizing a defense to the
assault myself. After all, I can’t trust Miscavige to protect the
philosophy because that does not align with his purpose.”
1. In what ways, exactly, have the “far left of the Scientology
spectrum” wasted, severely delayed, and possibly outright sabotaged
your 3rd dynamic justice actions?
Can you let us know exactly how their actions have been destructive of
progress?
Can you please be specific here?
2. You say that you may end up “mobilizing a defense to the assault”
yourself.
What is the assault, exactly, and how, exactly do you intend to
mobilize a defense against it?
Can a philosophy really be “assaulted”?
3. How, exactly, do you “protect a philosophy”?
These sound to me like old Scientology habits coming up as a response
to things you may have seen before. That happens a lot when a person
starts to get out of the Church and begins operating in the real world
again.
It’s important to notice these old habits when they emerge.
Think about them. Are they really appropriate to life outside the
Church and the Sea Org?
Are they really completely rational in the context of the newly
reformed Scientology I believe you are trying to create?
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◦ martyrathbun09 // November 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Reply --
Alonzo,
I held out such great hope for you. Your comm is verging on
unreadable, having snapped terminals and been swept into the GPM on
the far left side. You need to get out and have that walk and really
distinguish yourself as an individual being and recoup a viewpoint of
your own. It’ll make you feel a whole hell of a lot better.
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◦ Alanzo // November 19, 2009 at 5:29 pm --
I know the spirit in
which you delivered this: you really do want to see me better off.
All I’m asking you to do is to apply the discipline of being specific
about the damage that the “left” has caused. And to be specific about
how a philosophy can be “assaulted” and “protected”.
I believe that
the disciplined process of being specific about these things will
produce new solutions that will be far more appropriate and
constructive than the generalized policies LRH laid out to handle
“critics” which have caused unmitigated disaster for so many years.
It’s not a “following orders” or “following policy” kind of response
which will be the most constructive, in my opinion.
I still have huge
respect for you, Marty. But you can’t go backwards. It’s time to think
up new solutions to Scientology’s critics.
Astrid
> What a dick. His definition of "the far left" is, BTW, the haters who
> comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
>
is he Far Right, with LRH, doing anything to KSW so that Scientology
can take over business, government, education and medicine, and get
that Space Org built to clear the Universe.
Also, doesn't the "what is true for you" interpretation of LRH crap,
automatically mean there will be no consensus reality, or
understanding of the tech that is common to all Scilons? The only
consistency is obtained through enforced policy, which needs to be run
by a cruel dictator, with executives willing to act as his henchmen.
When declaring "wins," Scientologists don't say what their specific
benefit is. They act like they've been goosed by a giant intergalactic
goose, and spout meaningless pre-approved slogans about their "space
expanding" etc. And Marty and others really thing this is going to
catch on and save the planet?
The only thing common to all Scientologists, while they are in the
cult anyway, is that they accept the big lie, that L. Ron has all the
answers. They'll accept that he was cruel to children, drove his son
to suicide, flunked out of school, couldn't speak a foreign language
worth shit etc., but gee, he had all the answers.
Plus, it is hard for me to discern how wonderfully LRH tech has worked
for Rathbun and Rinder, in their lives. I can see how Scientology
helped give Travolta more confidence. Marty is accusing all criticism
as coming from people who have not had success with LRH tech, whether
they are former Scientologists or not. Automatically, your whole
twenty years in Scientology becomes invalid because you can't pretend
you got super powers from it? Is that it?
It's very difficult understanding these novis homos.
phil scott
alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be
waking up shortly. as
Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy...
perhaps he can begin
recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will
be impressive.
Meantime Farty IS providing a valuable service...drawing others out of
the cult and clustering the
remaining hard core dingbats... who are now online, and running across
the vast array of expose...
each iteration dilluting their brainwash.
One only hopes that enough outrage is generated by the various court
cases and official criticism in the
EU and OZ to generate a class action... of which Farty Heartburn will
be among the top listed perpetrators,,
in ruining peoples lives, stalking, libel, slander, reverse processing
to induce suicide...in collusion with others...
namely that used car salesman Mikie Rinder, and Lil Davie Miscavige...
and the other OSA scum that remains
hard core to the end, in the face of those facts.
Phil scott.
Phil scott
phil scott
> On Nov 19, 11:43 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:> What a dick. His definition of "the far left" is, BTW, the haters who
> > comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
>
> I'm confused. Does this mean Marty thinks of himself in the Center, or
> is he Far Right, with LRH, doing anything to KSW so that Scientology
> can take over business, government, education and medicine, and get
> that Space Org built to clear the Universe.
>
> Also, doesn't the "what is true for you" interpretation of LRH crap,
> automatically mean there will be no consensus reality, or
> understanding of the tech that is common to all Scilons? The only
> consistency is obtained through enforced policy, which needs to be run
> by a cruel dictator, with executives willing to act as his henchmen.
>
> When declaring "wins," Scientologists don't say what their specific
> benefit is. They act like they've been goosed by a giant intergalactic
> goose, and spout meaningless pre-approved slogans about their "space
> expanding" etc. And Marty and others really thing this is going to
> catch on and save the planet?
>
> The only thing common to all Scientologists, while they are in the
> cult anyway, is that they accept the big lie, that L. Ron has all the
> answers. They'll accept that he was cruel to children, drove his son
> to suicide, flunked out of school, couldn't speak a foreign language
> worth shit etc., but gee, he had all the answers.
Regarding Quinten Hubbards 'suicide' he was indeed found unconscious
in his car in Las Vegas Nv two
weeks after leaving the cult...ID missing, windows rolled up, and a
tube running from his exhaust into the
passenger compartment....suicide? well maybe, except for the fact
that he died later in the hospital injected
apparently behind the ear... ? bogus? maybe.... except we also have
his two buddies died in separate incidents in Las Vegas within
the following two weeks.
given lil Davies mother in law's suicide...the absolute **first 4 shot
suicide in world history... one tends to doubt the chain
if coincidences with Quinten.
Phil scott
Dennis L Erlich
>It's very difficult understanding these novis homos.
He's got the weight of responsibility for "the whole, agonizing future
of mankind" on his shoulders.
D
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>alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be
>waking up shortly. as
>Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy...
>perhaps he can begin
>recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will
>be impressive.
Alonzo is a 1.1 bastard, take it from me. I've seen that mf pretending to
be a theety weety nice guy, but intensive dowsing of a picture I drew of
him in crayon revealed the draco reptoid within.
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:18:24 -0800 (PST), phil scott <p...@philscott.net>
> wrote in msg
> <d0d72be3-fa0a-49f6-8cf5-a71fce8a1...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:
> <snip>
>
> >alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be
> >waking up shortly. as
> >Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy...
> >perhaps he can begin
> >recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will
> >be impressive.
>
> Alonzo is a 1.1 bastard, take it from me. I've seen that mf pretending to
> be a theety weety nice guy, but intensive dowsing of a picture I drew of
> him in crayon revealed the draco reptoid within.
>
> Ever yours in fandom,
> Jommy Cross
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The thing that strikes me about that Mary peice is his God complex. He
seems to believe himslef to be in command of an army that is invisable
to us mere mortals.
Show us the evidence, mate.
barbz
Silly...you know body thetans are invisible!
--
xenubarb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne
A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of
those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it
pulled-up to the curb.
Stephen Jones