THE Speech of the Year for 2009!
Magoo
This should be mandatory listening.
I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
Merry Christmas!
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
a "Suppressive Person"
& Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
Free at LAST!
www.xenu.net (What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)
www.xenutv.com (Excellent videos)
www.torymagoo.org (My writings about Scientology from ARS)
www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm (Top Secret Int Mafia)
www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
or Type in Scientology in Google
(Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
mag...@charter.net
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044
Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
Eldon
> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> This should be mandatory listening.
>
> I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
Heavy duty. Aaron's earlier videos were impressive, but in this one he
seems to have really found his voice.
>
> For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> --
> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> a "Suppressive Person"
> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)www.xenutv.com(Excellent videos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(Top Secret Int Mafia)www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
> or Type in Scientology in Google
> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
Roadrunner
> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> This should be mandatory listening.
>
> I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
I really wouldn't give this guy much credibility at all. He kicks
those from his YouTube channels that he considers being a threat.
Gerry Armstrong does not even do that!
Either way, the question should be asked how much he actually has
understood of the subject of Scientology/dianetics. It is still fact
that members of the han race are foremost FOLLOWERS. The amount of
years having been at some place does not necessarily equal
understanding of what they have been doing. Many are just sofa-
sitters.
RR
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> --
> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> a "Suppressive Person"
> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(What Scientology Doesn't want you to know)www.xenutv.com(Excellent videos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(Top Secret Int Mafia)www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
> or Type in Scientology in Google
> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
Richard Ford
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > mago...@charter.net
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
>
> - Show quoted text -
Roadrunner,
You have the most astonishing arrogance!
How can you doubt the knowlage of a man like Aaron when you have NEVER
ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY.
You denigrate and sneer but you have nothing to contribute. Your first
and last instinct is to run. Why not share your wisdom with us? Based
upon your evasions so far I would say you have never even read a book.
Prove me wrong if you dare! Road...... runner
Tigger
> > > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > > mago...@charter.net
> > > Burbank, CA
> > > (818) 588-3044
>
> > > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Roadrunner,
>
> You have the most astonishing arrogance!
>
> How can you doubt the knowlage of a man like Aaron when you have NEVER
> ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY.
>
> You denigrate and sneer but you have nothing to contribute. Your first
> and last instinct is to run. Why not share your wisdom with us? Based
> upon your evasions so far I would say you have never even read a book.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah Road Runneer, You are All Blow and No Go. You huff and puff and
try to blow everyone over with your assertions, but....you can't even
tell us how, when, where and why you got involved in
Scientology.
Tigger
husk
> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> This should be mandatory listening.
>
> I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> --
> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> a "Suppressive Person"
> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> Burbank, CA
> (818) 588-3044
>
> Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
What caught my ear is that Aaron suggests that L. Ron was murdered
(see 5:15). The other was the claim that the at the top of
Scientology sits those who are not even Scientologists.
This makes one ponder who it is that created the conspiracy to take
over L.Ron's money making organization using DM as their puppet?
Roadrunner
> > > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > > mago...@charter.net
> > > Burbank, CA
> > > (818) 588-3044
>
> > > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Roadrunner,
>
> You have the most astonishing arrogance!
>
> How can you doubt the knowlage of a man like Aaron
Only a child, fearing to be proven wrong, kicks people that exceed him
in understanding. Visit his YT channel.
>when you have NEVER
> ACTUALLY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY.
Funny, but severly incorrect.
>
> You denigrate and sneer but you have nothing to contribute. Your first
> and last instinct is to run. Why not share your wisdom with us?
No one can give you wisdom, as that comes from understanding. That's
your job.
RR
>Based
> upon your evasions so far I would say you have never even read a book.
>
> Prove me wrong if you dare! Road...... runner-
Now. let's first make your messages witness of actual knowledge about
the subject...
Peter Schilte
> On 21 Dec, 10:02, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> I really wouldn't give this guy much credibility at all. He kicks
> those from his YouTube channels that he considers being a threat.
> Gerry Armstrong does not even do that!
>
> Either way, the question should be asked how much he actually has
> understood of the subject of Scientology/dianetics. It is still fact
> that members of the han race are foremost FOLLOWERS. The amount of
> years having been at some place does not necessarily equal
> understanding of what they have been doing. Many are just sofa-
> sitters.
>
> RR
After having watched some few snippets of 2 of the 7 video's, you are
of course entitled to have an educated opinion.
If he kicked you from his YT-channel, he joined up with 4 or 5 message
boards that did the same thing.Yet it never occurred to you that it
might be you, not everybody else.
Why do you attack only those who are out and/or criticize scientology?
Wouldn't it be far better to aim your attacks on the scientology
organization itself? You are a so called "sofa sitter" yourself,
attacking not those who need to be attacked, i.e. the scientology
organization, no, you choose the easy way.
Peter
"Arthritis vanishes, myopia gets better, heart illness decreases,
asthma disappears, stomachs function properly and the whole catalogue
of illnesses goes away and stays away."
- L. Ron Hubbard, DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, 1987
Ed., p. 72
Eldon
> On Dec 21, 4:02 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> > Merry Christmas!
>
> > --
> > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > a "Suppressive Person"
> > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > mago...@charter.net
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
>
> What caught my ear is that Aaron suggests that L. Ron was murdered
> (see 5:15). The other was the claim that the at the top of
> Scientology sits those who are not even Scientologists.
I don't think there's much evidence for the first claim. Vaughn Young
speculated as much, which may be where Aaron got it. He was, after
all, 73 years old, and had abused his body with drugs and alcohol for
most of his life.
As for the second claim, yes it's true. Meade Emory was and is on the
board as far as I know.
Dennis L Erlich
>http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>This should be mandatory listening.
Mandatory anything is for cultists.
Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
cultists or public.
But that's just me. YMMV.
D
----------------
"All the people involved were not following the laws ...
were not allowing me to have my civil rights." - anonymous ex-scieno
Peter Schilte
I just watch the speech and I have to say: He is more guts in his tiny
finger than Michel Snoeck in his whole body!
Hey Snoeck, when are YOU going to address the scientology organization
in stead of annoying critics?
You have no guts. All you have is your invalidations. Credibility? You
have zero. Child? You are one, and one of the most disgusting and
cowardice ones that ever walked the surface of this earth. Wisdom? You
have none, so you have nothing to share with anybody. Implying that
you have no understanding whatsoever, as you have shown on many
occasions.
Go tell the management that they don't understand scientology. Go tell
them that they apply tech wrongly. Go tell them they have to stick
with the subject of scientology. Go tel them they are a bunch of
greedy sociopaths. Go tell them to stop abusing people. 'Cause THEY,
the management of th cult, are the ones you should address.
Maybe, just maybe then you will be what you once claimed to be: A real
critic.
phil scott
> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> This should be mandatory listening.
>
> I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> --
> Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> a "Suppressive Person"
> & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> Burbank, CA
> (818) 588-3044
>
> Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
ok ok... now we know he's not an op :)
phil scott
> On Dec 21, 4:02 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> > Merry Christmas!
>
> > --
> > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > a "Suppressive Person"
> > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > mago...@charter.net
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
>
> What caught my ear is that Aaron suggests that L. Ron was murdered
> (see 5:15). The other was the claim that the at the top of
> Scientology sits those who are not even Scientologists.
>
> This makes one ponder who it is that created the conspiracy to take
>
> - Show quoted text -
My somewhat tennative view is that scientology may have been a CIA
operation from the start... to study brainwash strategies....now
morphed to money laundering and espionage (recently convicted in
Greece for espionage, charged with being a CIA front by the greek
govt )
there is a massive body of evidence that tends to support that... ive
been posting it for years, including the current USBX joint venture
with the CIA's Carlyle group (USBX is a cultie boy founded business
incubator, and 'e republic' in joint venture with Oracle corp
fronting its million dollar relatonal data bases to govts world
wide... 'e republic' in rocklin calif is founded by two cult
guardians office executives, one (forgot name) an unidicted co-
conspirator in the infamous CoS infiltration of US govt resulting in
the largest raid in FBI history on the cults orgs and offices nation
wide.. 11 sent to federal prison, including eltubbo's wife (4.5
years)..
Oracles high end relational data base is the worlds premier espionage
tool, Oracle corp was founded with CIA money, and CIA people remain as
the core of their executive corps.. (not a secret, its all in their
annual report).. Mike Kobrin is a recently retired NSA agent.. His
wife is the cults lead attorney.... Hubbards corpy rights are
controlled by an IRS agent founded entity, the CST..its staff of 4
principles, includeds 3 US govt agents, Meade Emmory, two others, and
ONE scientologist, Norman Starky.
the above is about 1% of what is available on those connections.
Phil scott
phil scott
> On Dec 21, 4:09 pm, husk <h...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 21, 4:02 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> > > Merry Christmas!
>
> > > --
> > > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > > a "Suppressive Person"
> > > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> > > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > > mago...@charter.net
> > > Burbank, CA
> > > (818) 588-3044
>
> > > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
>
> > What caught my ear is that Aaron suggests that L. Ron was murdered
> > (see 5:15). The other was the claim that the at the top of
> > Scientology sits those who are not even Scientologists.
>
> I don't think there's much evidence for the first claim. Vaughn Young
> speculated as much, which may be where Aaron got it. He was, after
> all, 73 years old, and had abused his body with drugs and alcohol for
> most of his life.
>
> As for the second claim, yes it's true. Meade Emory was and is on the
> board as far as I know.
>
>
>
>
>
> > This makes one ponder who it is that created the conspiracy to take
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Meade Emmory founded the very first iteration of the CST in 1972..
then the version that became more widely known in 1977, then
successive iterations at it began to take total control of the cult...
this during his tenure working for the US govt, most of it in the IRS
and as its deputy commissioner. There are 3 others on the CST
board, to other US govt agents and that pimp Norman Starkey, now going
senile supposedly a scn...control goes to the 3 govt agents.
Phil scott
Anonymous
> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>> This should be mandatory listening.
>
> Mandatory anything is for cultists.
And for you. It is mandatory that you obey the permanent injunction won
by Scientology against you precluding you from mentioning any aspect of
their religion.
>
> Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
> a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
> cultists or public.
>
> But that's just me. YMMV.
Aytch toadly your plan would be to hold the scieno building hostage
threatening to render the building valueless, unless you yourself are paid.
Dennis L Erlich
Anonymous <an...@anon.anon> wrote:
>Dennis L Erlich wrote:
>> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>>> This should be mandatory listening.
>>
>> Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>
>And for you. It is mandatory that you obey the permanent injunction won
>by Scientology against you precluding you from mentioning any aspect of
>their religion.
The permanent injunction was against me violating their copyrights by
posting their material in excess of "fair use." That particular
experience taught me and a lot of others what "fair use" actually
meant as far as our first amendment rights, to brain dead federal
judges such as Whyteman.
>> Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
>> a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
>> cultists or public.
>>
>> But that's just me. YMMV.
>
>Aytch toadly your plan would be to hold the scieno building hostage
>threatening to render the building valueless, unless you yourself are paid.
<flushing sound>
--------------------
"When there's too much of nothing,
it just makes a fella mean" - B. Dylan
Anonymous
> Back in the bozobin, Klemmy
>
> Anonymous <an...@anon.anon> wrote:
>
>> Dennis L Erlich wrote:
>>> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>>>> This should be mandatory listening.
>>> Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>> And for you. It is mandatory that you obey the permanent injunction won
>> by Scientology against you precluding you from mentioning any aspect of
>> their religion.
>
> The permanent injunction was against me violating their copyrights by
> posting their material in excess of "fair use." That particular
> experience taught me and a lot of others what "fair use" actually
> meant as far as our first amendment rights, to brain dead federal
> judges such as Whyteman.
Interesting, nowhere in this permanent injunction does it mention "fair
use," or "copyrights" (other than the section where you are fined
$69,000. (Where'd you get the money to pay Scientology that?)
Is this the document in which the "brain dead federal judge"--as you
call him, Ronald M. Whyte enjoined you, or is it the other "in part"
document that is secret?
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mystory/dennis_final_judgement.txt
>
>>> Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
>>> a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
>>> cultists or public.
>>>
>>> But that's just me. YMMV.
>> Aytch toadly your plan would be to hold the scieno building hostage
>> threatening to render the building valueless, unless you yourself are paid.
>
> <flushing sound>
>
> --------------------
>
> "When there's too much of nothing,
> it just makes a fella mean" - B. Dylan
"The day the laid ol' MoFo low,
Dennis split for Indio,
Where he got the bread to go?
Ain't nobody knows." -B. Dylan
Barbara loves Marty
> On 21 Dec, 10:02, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > This should be mandatory listening.
Mandatory? Sounds like no freedom outside of Scientology.
>
> > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
Depends how dumb the person is. People like Saxton just appeal to
people who have not understood Scientology.
> > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> I really wouldn't give this guy much credibility at all. He kicks
> those from his YouTube channels that he considers being a threat.
> Gerry Armstrong does not even do that!
I agree, RR.
>
> Either way, the question should be asked how much he actually has
> understood of the subject of Scientology/dianetics. It is still fact
> that members of the han race are foremost FOLLOWERS. The amount of
> years having been at some place does not necessarily equal
> understanding of what they have been doing. Many are just sofa-
> sitters.
>
> RR
The problem of Scientology orgs are people as Aaron Saxton. I bet he
was the same stupid bully in the orgs as he is still today.
Strange laws in Sydney. I mean, protesting is one thing but all people
who live and work there who do not want to have anything to do with
this bully and his friends are harassed by the man and his friends.
I am not impressed by bullies, not even remotely.
Looks like the water that was poured down on screamer Saxton came from
a building that does not belong to Scientology as he was screaming to
the other side of the street.
Everybody can check the Internet for all kinds of opinion but being
screamed down, that is harrassment.
And that idiot doesn't get that L. Ron Hubbard was impostored and
Quentin killed. What a dummy. People with an IQ like that should not
be allowed into the Sea Org.
Barbara Schwarz
>
>
>
>
>
> > Merry Christmas!
>
> > --
> > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > a "Suppressive Person"
> > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> > Free at LAST!www.xenu.net(WhatScientology Doesn't want you to know)www.xenutv.com(Excellentvideos)www.torymagoo.org(My writings about Scientology from ARS)www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm(TopSecret Int Mafia)www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > mago...@charter.net
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"- Hide quoted text -
Barbara loves Marty
> On Dec 21, 4:02 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> > Merry Christmas!
>
> > --
> > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > a "Suppressive Person"
> > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
> > or Type in Scientology in Google
> > (Read, Look, Listen, Make up your ~own~Mind)
>
> > mago...@charter.net
> > Burbank, CA
> > (818) 588-3044
>
> > Martin Luther King once said, "You do not drive out darkness with darkness
> > you can only drive out darkness with light! You do not drive out hatred with
> > hatred you drive out hatred with love!"
>
> What caught my ear is that Aaron suggests that L. Ron was murdered
> (see 5:15). The other was the claim that the at the top of
> Scientology sits those who are not even Scientologists.
But he says that Quentin was homosexual and committed suicide. There
was never any evidence except one person coming up with the homosexual
rumour. And he did not commit suicide. It is so easy to knock at
somebody's door, let him open the door, overwhelm him with a narcotic,
carry him to a car and let the fumes in.
And Saxton says that L. Ron Hubbard died with drugs, but that was not
Ron that was the Vistaril guy, the doppelganger and I doubt if he, the
Aussie ever ordered the papers concerning "L. Ron Hubbard's death"
from the San Obispo County coroner.
>
> This makes one ponder who it is that created the conspiracy to take
> over L.Ron's money making organization using DM as their puppet?
And that, Husk IS ONE SMART THOUGHT of you. It is about the money but
also about the technology and also many critics agree that Scientology
has indeed quite an impressive technology to help people.
I do not think that DM is not answering to a or more secret case
officer(s) who are no Scientologists.
Many people think that DM is the master mind of everything that
happens to Scientology. But I dare everyone to see the YouTube video
in which he announces L. Ron Hubbard. He reads everything for word
from the paper that his case officers wrote. If he would have written
it, he would spoken to the audience not read that thing word for word
from the paper.
Whoever wrote that paper is DM's master and never L. Ron Hubbard.
German secret services and their psychs work at least on two fronts:
infiltration from the inside and attacks from the outside.
How can you ruin a great religion that could not just better the world
but also reduce insanity and criminality? You make it crazy inside,
and money oriented and alter the scriptures and have outside also
people who attack what's wrong on the inside. But what is being
concealed is that all is organized by the same criminal
source.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
> >This should be mandatory listening.
>
> Mandatory anything is for cultists.
I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
>
> Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
> a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
> cultists or public.
>
> But that's just me. YMMV.
It is me too. All you think is wanting to buy ear plugs and make the
pain go away.
:)
Barbara Schwarz
Magoo
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bff5b19a-9471-4bd4...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 21, 9:55 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
> "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
> >This should be mandatory listening.
>
> Mandatory anything is for cultists.
I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
Me too. Especially a Scientology one...as their management tech
sucks, and the people buy it anyways. You, Babs, are a perfect
example of their sheep.
>
> Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
> a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
> cultists or public.
>
> But that's just me. YMMV.
It is me too. All you think is wanting to buy ear plugs and make the
pain go away.
LOL.........you and Dennis, and Marty, right? Yeah.....sure.
If ear plugs would work for the mind controlled, you wouldn't be
posting here. I bet you didn't even listen to what he had to say.
Merry Christmas, despite your hatred of me :)
Tory/Magoo
husk
<barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
.......
> > This makes one ponder who it is that created the conspiracy to take
> > over L.Ron's money making organization using DM as their puppet?
>
> And that, Husk IS ONE SMART THOUGHT of you. It is about the money but
> also about the technology and also many critics agree that Scientology
> has indeed quite an impressive technology to help people.
......
Remember a discussion we had months ago where I tried to make the
point that Scientology courses were too expensive. They are
expensive simple for the reason that a large portion of every fee goes
to this entity that exists above DM.
> Many people think that DM is the master mind of everything that
> happens to Scientology. But I dare everyone to see the YouTube video
> in which he announces L. Ron Hubbard. He reads everything for word
> from the paper that his case officers wrote. If he would have written
> it, he would spoken to the audience not read that thing word for word
> from the paper.Whose
>
> Whoever wrote that paper is DM's master and never L. Ron Hubbard.
This is a very good point. Either DM had a master at that time whom he
managed to subdue, or is still in control of him today. I tend to
suspect that he is a puppet.
> German secret services and their psychs work at least on two fronts:
> infiltration from the inside and attacks from the outside.
.....
While you claim its Germans, whose to say its not Americans? Meade
Emory is ex-IRS? Whose to say the money isn't funneled back to the
IRS? It could be that the tax victory was indeed false. Maybe the
deal was that the IRS still gets its cut, and in exchange DM gets a
very highly paid con-job.
Richard Ford
wrote:
> On Dec 21, 9:09 am, husk <h...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 21, 4:02 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> > > Merry Christmas!
>
> > > --
> > > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > > a "Suppressive Person"
> > > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Could it be that it was Quentins gay doppledanger that commited
suidide?
ho...@lightlink.com
> Remember a discussion we had months ago where I tried to make the
> point that Scientology courses were too expensive. They are
> expensive simple for the reason that a large portion of every fee goes
> to this entity that exists above DM.
They are expensive for the simple reason that the church raised
it's prices until its profits started to fall off because not even the
super rich could afford them. That is actually proper protocol, make
the money first and then give it away to charity if you must.
The only thing that could or should bring the prices down is competition
from Free Zone churches.
Homer
Roadrunner
You still think you know who I am, well, so be it...
The strongest one is that person that puts him/herself in an isolated
position. I criticize the anti-Scientologists, the organization and
even the Freezone.
Your Aaron only attacks the organization. Thus your Aaron does not
actually think for himself. This becomes quite clear when we see how
he regards the subject of Dianetics/Scientology, or rather his
exceedingly lack of understanding it and tackle it in the proper
perspective.
> Hey Snoeck, when are YOU going to address the scientology organization
> in stead of annoying critics?
I've done that at great lenght, and much more effectively than you
people.
RR
Roadrunner
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bff5b19a-9471-4bd4...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 21, 9:55 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>
> > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
> > >This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>
> I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
>
> Me too. Especially a Scientology one...as their management tech
> sucks, and the people buy it anyways. You, Babs, are a perfect
> example of their sheep.
>
>
>
> > Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
> > a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
> > cultists or public.
>
> > But that's just me. YMMV.
>
> It is me too. All you think is wanting to buy ear plugs and make the
> pain go away.
>
> LOL.........you and Dennis, and Marty, right? Yeah.....sure.
> If ear plugs would work for the mind controlled, you wouldn't be
> posting here. I bet you didn't even listen to what he had to say.
>
> Merry Christmas, despite your hatred of me :)
It is no hatred, big mistake, it is pity...
RR
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
>This should be mandatory listening.
>
>I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
>Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
>For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
>Merry Christmas!
Scientology won. Scientology is here to stay, bah.
This might be 15 minutes long this video. This guy has the name, a
good name, Aaron Saxton. Unique and easy to pronounce. Good looking
and healthy young man with a powerful set of vocal chords and good
pronunciation. He seems to be a natural speaker.
This is the new Messiah.
Opening speech contains, "We come back for our friends......... you're
my friends.... I'm not here because I hate you............. I'm here
because I love you............ you understand." All delivered loudly
and with dramatic/proper pauses.
And it is not a question of 'move over Anonymous'. No. He has Anon
working for him already. They hold flags, remain silent, work the
audio equipment, they are dutiful members of this NRM here.
Strange to see masks standing around and not dancing or doing
handstands for each other, but it seems that with proper motivation
they are compliant.
I didn't listen to the whole video, couldn't stay focused, it just
drifted in and out for me. I think though that the truly Great part
of this video is in that very first minute. For it is there that he
lets them know that he does not hate them, but rather that he loves
them, (scientologists).
This is my first ever Aaron video. I think this Mr. Saxton here will
easily end up on prime time television. The guy is good.
Eldon
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:02:14 -0800, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net>
He was already on prime TV in New Zealand, and probably Australia too.
He also has a YouTube channel.
Ted Mayett
<roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I really wouldn't give this guy much credibility at all. He kicks
>those from his YouTube channels that he considers being a threat.
>Gerry Armstrong does not even do that!
>
How do you find this Saxton channel? Where is it?
Ted Mayett
<barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Everybody can check the Internet for all kinds of opinion but being
>screamed down, that is harrassment.
>
In america it is legal to use a bullhorn to shout at a building when
you picket or demonstrate. It is just a matter of knowing the laws,
and using the laws.
That historic picket of the Frontier Hotel in Las Vegas around 1992 or
so. Not only did they use bullhorns and other electronically
amplified sound equipment. But they were even allowed to have this
box that stood by itself on the sidewalk. It had a tape or totally
electronic device that just kept looping and repeating the same thing
over and over, 24hrs a day, it never stopped. There was no human
involved, it ran by itself off of electricity from a power pole.
You would think that at the least a human would have to be shouting at
the building. That common sense would say that a record player or a
radio or whatever cannot possibly protest. But nope, if you have the
lawyers your rights are way beyond what you might think.
l.l.lipshitz
<ars.to.t...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote in
<r9d1j5pba840p30j5...@4ax.com>:
[...]
| And it is not a question of 'move over Anonymous'. No. He has Anon
| working for him already. They hold flags, remain silent, work the
| audio equipment, they are dutiful members of this NRM here.
omg, aaron got anonymous to be his pa!
[...]
--
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
usenet disproves the infinite-monkey theorem
Peter Schilte
Nope. But I know who you are NOT and what you are NOT.
> The strongest one is that person that puts him/herself in an isolated
> position. I criticize the anti-Scientologists, the organization and
> even the Freezone.
>
How you criticized the organization? Not here on ARS. And, being a
committed scientologist, why keep it hidden?
Your criticism towards critics adds up to attacking critics.
Same with the Freezone, where in fact the Freezone , from my point of
view, is the better one: No disconnection, no Fair Game (although on
paper it is canceled, but o, so much in practice up until this very
day), no RPF, on short scientology without inhumanities.
> Your Aaron only attacks the organization. Thus your Aaron does not
> actually think for himself.
"My" Aaron? Labeling again, Michel?
And yes, he is attacking the organization, like most critics do.
because they are not bigots.
> This becomes quite clear when we see how
> he regards the subject of Dianetics/Scientology, or rather his
> exceedingly lack of understanding it and tackle it in the proper
> perspective.
>
IAW, he has a different view on matters than you, thus he doesn't
understand nor has a proper perspective.
How odd is that......
> > Hey Snoeck, when are YOU going to address the scientology organization
> > in stead of annoying critics?
>
> I've done that at great lenght, and much more effectively than you
> people.
>
"You people"? Another label.
Not on ARS, you didn't.
And how effective is "much more effective"? Has it been in the media?
Did the public learn about it in large? Has it lead to discussions
about, and exposing of the organization? Or is it hidden in ten
thousands of words on your precious website?
If you effectively want to reach the public, you have to offer them
easy to read stuff. Like my website for instance. In Google.nl it is
on page #1, sometimes #2 for some years. Effective enough?
Peter
"That which works in $cientology
is not unique to $cientology,
and that which is unique to $cientology
does not work."
- Prufrock
Magoo
"Roadrunner" <roadrunn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2d049696-d38f-4ec6...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On 22 Dec, 00:18, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:bff5b19a-9471-4bd4...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 21, 9:55 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>>
>> > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>> > >This should be mandatory listening.
>>
>> > Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>>
>> I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
>>
>> Me too. Especially a Scientology one...as their management tech
>> sucks, and the people buy it anyways. You, Babs, are a perfect
>> example of their sheep.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
>> > a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
>> > cultists or public.
>>
>> > But that's just me. YMMV.
>>
>> It is me too. All you think is wanting to buy ear plugs and make the
>> pain go away.
>>
>> LOL.........you and Dennis, and Marty, right? Yeah.....sure.
>> If ear plugs would work for the mind controlled, you wouldn't be
>> posting here. I bet you didn't even listen to what he had to say.
>>
>> Merry Christmas, despite your hatred of me :)
>
> It is no hatred, big mistake, it is pity...
(as Dennis said)
TLC
phil scott
... and since the toxic core of scn. its ego supreme view, combined
with science fiction makes people crazy.. the
freezone is not making it..as the criminal cult collapses on its own
internal base of errors... and that is exactly as it should be also.
So.. I support both positions.. yours included.
Phil scott
phil scott
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:02:14 -0800, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net>
the guy IS good, but the legions are legion...and do not forget, are
unstoppable.. the legions assimilate all.
the legions are not assimilated.
individuals can burn out their air time.. the legions never.
Phil scott
Eldon
Well Philsie,
I think there may be some useful, efficacious processes at the bottom
end of the Scientology "bridge." Aaron Saxton agrees with that. I
don't know exactly how to sort it all out yet, but I certainly
wouldn't put Marty Rathbun or any of his little band of sycophants in
charge.
Or maybe it isn't worth sorting. I can live with that possibility
too.
phil scott
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ive reverse engineered the techncial aspects of Hubbards thing at
lower levels.. he knew what much of what he was doing. but reversed
much of it for entrapment purposes...and he did that deliberately...
he realized during a taped lecture, #4 or 5 in the flag land base PtS/
sp course package mid 80's..but the tape was from the early 60's...
he was complaining that people came into scn, got fixed up in a few
weeks and left, never to return... and then began to speculate that if
it were... errr... ahhh... a bit .... errrr.. morrrrre.. complex..
that maybe people would stay around long enough to...err...
contribute... then his voice trailed off and he changed the subject.
shortly there after we go the full load of sci fi crap and OT 3 etc.
any man with real brains, insight, wisdom or humanity wouldnt do such
a thing.
.he was a totally corrupt idiot when it came to what harms a person
who lies though, he had no clue about that, adopting the left hand
satanic notion that lies are good as they allow you to control others.
Phil scott
Ted Mayett
wrote:
>> This is my first ever Aaron video. �I think this Mr. Saxton here will
>> easily end up on prime time television. �The guy is good.
>
>He was already on prime TV in New Zealand, and probably Australia too.
So good, he is getting experience for american television.
>He also has a YouTube channel.
Well lets wait and see if he can overcome this liability.
Without a doubt some of the people in the world, those who had been
abducted by aliens at one time and then returned to their homes also
have YouTube Channels.
Search on this, you get about 300 hits:
"alien abduction caught on tape"
Not all alien abductions are successful, there is this:
"Alien Caught In An Abduction Attempt On Tape: Analysis Pt.1"
And not just people but there is this:
"Airplane Abducted By UFO: Caught On Tape"
"cats driving cars" gives about 3500 hits. YouTube is COOL!
OTOH, a search on "scientology expert" only returns 87 hits. hmmm.
Django
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> >He was already on prime TV in New Zealand, and probably Australia too.
>
> So good, he is getting experience for american television.
Oh, great, now we're gonna have "Survivor: Scientology"....
Roadrunner
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2d049696-d38f-4ec6...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 22 Dec, 00:18, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> messagenews:bff5b19a-9471-4bd4...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Dec 21, 9:55 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>
> >> > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> >> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
> >> > >This should be mandatory listening.
>
> >> > Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>
> >> I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
>
> >> Me too. Especially a Scientology one...as their management tech
> >> sucks, and the people buy it anyways. You, Babs, are a perfect
> >> example of their sheep.
>
> >> > Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
> >> > a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
> >> > cultists or public.
>
> >> > But that's just me. YMMV.
>
> >> It is me too. All you think is wanting to buy ear plugs and make the
> >> pain go away.
>
> >> LOL.........you and Dennis, and Marty, right? Yeah.....sure.
> >> If ear plugs would work for the mind controlled, you wouldn't be
> >> posting here. I bet you didn't even listen to what he had to say.
>
> >> Merry Christmas, despite your hatred of me :)
>
> > It is no hatred, big mistake, it is pity...
>
> (as Dennis said)
You basically wasted 30 years, and continued to waste another 9
years...
RR
phil scott
<ars.to.tedmay...@XXmmXXspamgourmet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:03:16 -0800 (PST), Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
I dont think you are der real Teddy bud... obfuscating youtube by
digging up
its least worthy examples amid countless exceedingly valuable
commentary including
major universities and scholars etc.
Aaron Saxtons contributions on Youtube are world class... effective,
well presented and accurate as are hundreds of thousands of others.
Phil scott
Magoo
RR
I know who you are and you are the one still acting as the ever
vigil FLOOR MAT. Trying to put me down does what? A stat for you?
HA! FAIL once more. If Scientology is so
great ...........then GO THE F*** and DO IT! Stop crapping around here,
moron.
TLC
http://www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044
Barbara loves Marty
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:bff5b19a-9471-4bd4...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 21, 9:55 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>
> > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
> > >This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>
> I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
>
> Me too. Especially a Scientology one...as their management tech
> sucks, and the people buy it anyways. You, Babs, are a perfect
> example of their sheep.
Oh Tory, when do you get that I am completely my own woman?
It doesn't matter what you run, if you want to force people to listen
to Aaron Saxton's screaming, you are in process of violating their
right to chose what they want to hear and also hurt their ears. Mine
did hurt after I listened to him a few minutes.
>
>
>
> > Besides someone screaming (albeit passionately) through a megaphone at
> > a scieno building would not be my recommended way of addressing
> > cultists or public.
>
> > But that's just me. YMMV.
>
> It is me too. All you think is wanting to buy ear plugs and make the
> pain go away.
>
> LOL.........you and Dennis, and Marty, right? Yeah.....sure.
Dennis? I don't know any Dennis, Tory. I know Dennis the Menace, a
comic strip. The only Dennis I know.
> If ear plugs would work for the mind controlled, you wouldn't be
> posting here. I bet you didn't even listen to what he had to say.
Of course I listened to you. You find that Aaron screaming to be
mandatory for anybody.
Somebody poured water on him. At a certain point, your ears don't take
it anymore.
>
> Merry Christmas, despite your hatred of me :)
I don't hate you, Tory. I just think that you don't think for
yourself. You did not when you were in Scientology and you still
don't.
Anyway, Merry Christmas to you too.
And tell me who Dennis is. Am I supposed to know this guy?
Barbara Schwarz
http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com/
>
> Tory/Magoo
>
> :)
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
>
>
>
>
> > D
>
> > ----------------
>
> > "All the people involved were not following the laws ...
> > were not allowing me to have my civil rights." - anonymous ex-scieno- Hide quoted text -
Barbara loves Marty
> On Dec 21, 4:38 pm, Barbara loves Marty<barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> .......
>
> > > This makes one ponder who it is that created the conspiracy to take
> > > over L.Ron's money making organization using DM as their puppet?
>
> > And that, Husk IS ONE SMART THOUGHT of you. It is about the money but
> > also about the technology and also many critics agree that Scientology
> > has indeed quite an impressive technology to help people.
>
> ......
>
> Remember a discussion we had months ago where I tried to make the
> point that Scientology courses were too expensive. They are
> expensive simple for the reason that a large portion of every fee goes
> to this entity that exists above DM.
L. Ron Hubbard never stood for exessive fees. As more expensive it is,
as less people will get training and auditing. Any organization needs
some money in order to survive but it should be never exessive. There
will be no clear planet if people have to pay p$ychiatric prices for
the OT levels. And the money, the SO reverses are in Europe and not in
the USA. That should make Scientologists think. An American religion,
most money is made at Flag but the money is in Europe.
>
> > Many people think that DM is the master mind of everything that
> > happens to Scientology. But I dare everyone to see the YouTube video
> > in which he announces L. Ron Hubbard. He reads everything for word
> > from the paper that his case officers wrote. If he would have written
> > it, he would spoken to the audience not read that thing word for word
> > from the paper.Whose
>
> > Whoever wrote that paper is DM's master and never L. Ron Hubbard.
>
> This is a very good point. Either DM had a master at that time whom he
> managed to subdue, or is still in control of him today. I tend to
> suspect that he is a puppet.
Me too.
>
> > German secret services and their psychs work at least on two fronts:
> > infiltration from the inside and attacks from the outside.
>
> .....
>
> While you claim its Germans, whose to say its not Americans? Meade
> Emory is ex-IRS?
I don't find the IRS American. Did you ever call them for a tax
question? They play walz music all day long! Die Donau so blau, so
blau so blau....
I strongly assume DM's case officer probably never entered in any
Scientology org. I doubt that it is ME. Most of the time, the people
who we hear of are not the people who run the show. They are the
stawmen.
> Whose to say the money isn't funneled back to the
> IRS? It could be that the tax victory was indeed false. Maybe the
> deal was that the IRS still gets its cut, and in exchange DM gets a
> very highly paid con-job.
All Sea Org reserves are in Europe bank accounts, Husk. They are not
in the USA. Europe profits from Scientology making lots of money not
the USA. I know so because I was a board member of all SO reserves.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
> On 21 Dec, 21:38, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 21, 9:09 am, husk <h...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 21, 4:02 am, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > > > This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > > > I dare anyone "in" To listen to *this* video from start to finish.
> > > > Come on....try it. It just ~might~ change your life, forever.
>
> > > > For critics, don't miss it..........it's great information for all.
>
> > > > Merry Christmas!
>
> > > > --
> > > > Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
> > > > In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 9 years!
> > > > X-Sea Org, X-Staff, X-OT 7, X-Class 4 auditor, X-OSA volunteer
> > > > For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
> > > > a "Suppressive Person"
> > > > & Expelled me from The C of $cientology :)
Oh, please RF. There was no doppelganger for Quentin.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
>
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>
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I agree with you, RR. Aaron Saxton should have routed out of the SO
with 18 latest. I am not saying there are no abuses but they are
caused by robotic Non-Scientologists.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
Tory, why don't you get it? Neither Jonathon, RR nor I are posting on
behalf of the C of S but expressing our own opinions. But we don't
have to automatically adore and promote any phoney who tries to make
some profit by attacking our religion. We are still Scientologists
even if we do not endorse DM. Why is that so hard to be
understood?
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
that who you mean? He was an American and used to read books in the
streets while walking. But I never saw him bump into somebody. Lol!
Barbara Schwarz
phil scott
>
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your views in this area are largely accurate imo... the IRS btw is an
arm of the federal reserve, and sends its collections there ..for
distribution to its member banks and various agencies of the US govt
such as the social insecurity administration,,, and the fed as you
know but many do not know is an entirely private bank, self
regulating, self policing and beholden not to the US govt but to its
founding member banks mostly in the EU (including germany, the
rothchilds for instance).. none of that is a secret. This private
bank issues credits to its member banks from thin air, then charges
interest on the loans... since the loans plus interest exceed the net
value of whats produced ,,, because of the interests and the
production costs, food and etc,. the banks are paid back with
collateral in the produced goods and buildings etc in effect trading
mere credits they generated from thin air, into solid real assets,
disclosed in thier founding documents and signed agreements from our
President wilson at the time (who bemoaned his decision a year after
signing as a fatal mistake for the nation),
the first Bush, Herbert walker Bush was charged by the the US congress
with collaborating with the enemy (german banks) durring world war 2,
the roots of the EU and German banks go deep into control of the
US...and US intelligence,, President bush 1 headed the US CIA for a
few years and later founded the Carlyle group the CIA's business
front
joint venture btw with the USBX bank, a cult of scientogist incubator
product, as Mike Kobrin with US intelligence for decades is a scn and
his wife Helen runs cos legal
thats about 1 percent of the interconnects
did these want US citizens more or less controllable...
the reader gets to decide that.
Phil scott
Phil scott
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON for 15 years!
> On Dec 22, 6:06 pm, Barbara loves Marty
>
>
> did these want US citizens more or less controllable...
> the reader gets to decide that.
>
> Phil scott
>
> Phil scott
more about the IRS and Meade Emory
IMO Meade Emory was embarrassed by the claims on the web Yeah, before
he became a partner of the lawfirm he is at now, he was an attorney
for the IRS. So what? I was informed (by Brian Haney who researched
this) that he regrets ever getting involved when he was asked (for
PAY) to act as a director for CST. http://www.Lermanet.com/CST/
Hell, I was a Director for Arlington Community Television... and for
FACTNET.org, but the former has nothing to do with Lermanet.com
Exposing the CON of Scientology.
The IRS Deal had to do with scientology's strong suit (in the past) in
pursuing Litigation...being such a distasteful pain in the butt that
after a while, everyone involved, from the judges, defendants, the
court clerks, everyone... just wanted the damn cases to go
away....scientology brought 50+ lawsuits against the IRS, and its
agents...and then what did with the data is extremely important...
...because THIS WAS BEFORE THE INTERNET!:
There was no "web".. there were only publications, newspapers....got
it???
... scientology was bringing the data from "Discovery", the data from
the depositions from all their litigations with the IRS etc, to a
populist newspaper called The Spotlight, who was printing them in its
380,000 circulation newspaper... (not good) - the destruction of that
same newspaper, and its associated organizations was ensured by a
scientologist infiltrator, Thom Marcellus who absconded with what
Willis Carto (the head honcho) described as "The Crown Jewels" - the
asset that financed the entire operation - which was an endowment from
Thomas Edison to fund the IHR..The Institute for Historical Review..
It should be noted that while scientologist Tom Marcellus was working
as Willis Carto's right hand man, A Scientology attorney for CST,
Lawrence Heller, was representing a guy named Mermelstein in a lawsuit
against Liberty Lobby...(yeah the same guy that ten years later was in
that weird gun runner litigation where Scientology's pal on the LA
County board, Alatorre settled the case with cash from the taxpayers
of Los Angeles..to the once alleged 'gunrunners')
The IRS agreement was signed giving scn its tax status on the exact
same day that the Institute of Historical review and its' Thomas
Edison endowment was taken over by Scientologist Tom Marcellus...which
basically destroyed the organizations finances because that is where
the money came from....to run The Spotlight, Liberty Lobby and the
Institute for Historical Review. And there are powerful organizations
which
would have moved heaven and earth on behalf of anyone who could
guarantee the destruction of that organization.. - The ADL and AIPAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQKZfmk7hM
Watch Congressman Traficant's warnings about AIPAC
Because populism means having jeffersonian views.. as in Thomas
Jefferson..
and Tom Paine, - The idea is that the government serves the best
interests of and the wishes of We, the people,
which includes strong admonishments about NO foreign aid, and at that
time, 1990, the largest recipient of US foreign aid was Israel.
see http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/
Also perhaps a case of blackmail for statutory rape on the part of the
Southern District of California IRS Commissioner's son...who met a 14
year old on Hollywood Blvds... who was shortly thereafter a member of
THE SEA ORG... and some other sleazy crap I know even less
about...regarding a PI named Krywicki (Thats how it sounds I don't
recall the spelling) and a videotape... and Bill Clinton's
scientologist college roommate who knew damn well whether Billy Boy
just inhaled and what else he inhaled.
Arnie Lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
Thom Marcellus originally joined the Spotlight as a copy runner..a
decade previously, the guy that pushes the cart to various offices
with messages etc..and worked his way up to become Willis Carto's
"right hand man" He had "the keys to everything"...
More Information
http://www.Lermanet.com/CST/
http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQKZfmk7hM
Maureen
A-PAC?
How odd that Greta Van Susteren interviews Congressman Traficant....
about AIPAC -
For it was/is Norton Karno, executor of L Ron Hubbard's Estate
that has similar connections to AIPAC, that would make Greta look
like
she was talking to her own enemy.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/b598328984038365?hl=en
Norton Karno, Executor of Hubbard's Estate, taking AIPAC to a whole
new level
This is almost like Tom Cruise playing Claus Schenk Graf von
Stauffenberg in the movie Valkyrie
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/valkyrie-and-scientology.htm
Wolves in sheeps clothing.
-----
Maureen
>
> Because populism means having jeffersonian views.. as in Thomas
> Jefferson..
> and Tom Paine, - The idea is that the government serves the best
> interests of and the wishes of We, the people,
> which includes strong admonishments about NO foreign aid, and at that
> time, 1990, the largest recipient of US foreign aid was Israel.
> seehttp://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/
Magoo
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:a9996498-0046-41ff...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 22, 5:53 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
Tory, why don't you get it? Neither Jonathon, RR nor I are posting on
behalf of the C of S but expressing our own opinions. But we don't
have to automatically adore and promote any phoney who tries to make
some profit by attacking our religion. We are still Scientologists
even if we do not endorse DM. Why is that so hard to be
understood?
And what is so hard for you to understand that I don't care what
words you say.................IF your actions are the *exact same* as the
OSA Programs I watched, and know to be used here on the Net:
*I* watch where the keys go, and you tell it, EVERY single time.
Thanks, darlin' and Merry Christmas :)
Tory/Magoo
Barbara Schwarz
http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com/
Magoo
On Dec 21, 5:18 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:bff5b19a-9471-4bd4...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 21, 9:55 am, Dennis L Erlich <infor...@informer.org> wrote:
>
> > "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
> > >This should be mandatory listening.
>
> > Mandatory anything is for cultists.
>
> I agree. I'm glad that Tory doesn't run any organization...
>
> Me too. Especially a Scientology one...as their management tech
> sucks, and the people buy it anyways. You, Babs, are a perfect
> example of their sheep.
Oh Tory, when do you get that I am completely my own woman?
It doesn't matter what you run, if you want to force people to listen
to Aaron Saxton's screaming, you are in process of violating their
right to chose what they want to hear and also hurt their ears. Mine
did hurt after I listened to him a few minutes.
awwwwwwwww....poor little babs, her ears hurt from one video.
Man, thanks for showing "TRO" is FOS. "Force people to listen"?
awwww...you poor little girl. I'd hate to see you try to really make
it on your own, here in LA. Sorry, so sorry you have such a bad
confront. After ALL those years "in", you should be able to at least
face one man speaking LOUD. Did that hurt? Poof. Flunk.
TLC
Roadrunner
Did you not wasted 30 years? i.e. by your own admission...
RR
>
> TLChttp://www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Roadrunner
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:a9996498-0046-41ff...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 22, 5:53 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Tory, why don't you get it? Neither Jonathon, RR nor I are posting on
> behalf of the C of S but expressing our own opinions. But we don't
> have to automatically adore and promote any phoney who tries to make
> some profit by attacking our religion. We are still Scientologists
> even if we do not endorse DM. Why is that so hard to be
> understood?
>
> And what is so hard for you to understand that I don't care what
> words you say.................IF your actions are the *exact same* as the
> OSA Programs I watched, and know to be used here on the Net:
> *I* watch where the keys go, and you tell it, EVERY single time.
Indeed the behaviour displayed by the common anti-Scientologist does
resemble the claimed pattern. A coin has 2 sides, all you did was
turning yourself to the other side of that coin. You remained the
same, you are only on the other side of that fence today.
RR
Peter Schilte
After 27 years you are still wasting it.........LOL!
Another 3 years to go before you wake up and recognize the scam?
Peter
"We are slowly and carefully teaching the unholy a lesson. It is as
follows:
"We are not a law enforcement agency.
BUT we will become interested in the crimes of people who seek to stop
us.
If you oppose Scientology we promptly look up—and will find and expose
your crimes.
If you leave us alone we will leave you alone."
It's very simple.
Even a fool can grasp that.
And don't underrate our ability to carry it out."
- L. Ron Hubbard HCOB 05 November 1967 Critics of Scientology
Peter Schilte
> On 23 Dec, 09:52, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:a9996498-0046-41ff...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 22, 5:53 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > Tory, why don't you get it? Neither Jonathon, RR nor I are posting on
> > behalf of the C of S but expressing our own opinions. But we don't
> > have to automatically adore and promote any phoney who tries to make
> > some profit by attacking our religion. We are still Scientologists
> > even if we do not endorse DM. Why is that so hard to be
> > understood?
>
> > And what is so hard for you to understand that I don't care what
> > words you say.................IF your actions are the *exact same* as the
> > OSA Programs I watched, and know to be used here on the Net:
> > *I* watch where the keys go, and you tell it, EVERY single time.
>
> Indeed the behaviour displayed by the common anti-Scientologist does
> resemble the claimed pattern. A coin has 2 sides, all you did was
> turning yourself to the other side of that coin.
Meaning? I never heard of someone turning him, or herself to the other
side of the coin, although I am familiar with the meaning of the
expression itself.
> You remained the
> same, you are only on the other side of that fence today.
>
> RR
>
It has a name: Freedom. Contrary to "(The Bridge to) Total Freedom",
it comes free of charge, however one has to pay a price for it that
includes being Disconnected, Fair Gamed, Being subjected to Black
Propaganda or Dead Agenting.
Hubbard said it very "well":
"When somebody enrolls, consider he or she has joined up for the
duration of the universe - never permit an 'open-minded' approach...
If they enrolled, they're aboard, and if they're aboard they're here
on the same terms as the rest of us - win or die in the attempt. Never
let them be half minded about being Scientologists... When Mrs.
Pattycake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her
eye into a fixed, dedicated glare. The proper instruction attitude is,
'We'd rather have you dead than incapable.'"
- L. Ron Hubbard, KEEPING SCIENTOLOGY WORKING, 7 February 1965,
reissued 27 August 1980
Roadrunner
> On 22 dec, 10:47, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 21 Dec, 18:06, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 21 dec, 16:41, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 21 dec, 11:44, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > > > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>
> > > > > > This should be mandatory listening.
>
You don't even know who you are... .-)
>
> > The strongest one is that person that puts him/herself in an isolated
> > position. I criticize the anti-Scientologists, the organization and
> > even the Freezone.
>
> How you criticized the organization? Not here on ARS. And, being a
> committed scientologist, why keep it hidden?
> Your criticism towards critics adds up to attacking critics.
> Same with the Freezone, where in fact the Freezone , from my point of
> view, is the better one: No disconnection, no Fair Game (although on
> paper it is canceled, but o, so much in practice up until this very
> day), no RPF, on short scientology without inhumanities.
>
> > Your Aaron only attacks the organization. Thus your Aaron does not
> > actually think for himself.
>
> "My" Aaron? Labeling again, Michel?
Like in 'your' St. Gerry. You can't criticize any of these guru's of
yours, you believe whatever they spout.
> And yes, he is attacking the organization, like most critics do.
> because they are not bigots.
That is determined by their support of proper historical
interpretation... if you demand that from your Aaron, he simply kicks
you...
>
> > This becomes quite clear when we see how
> > he regards the subject of Dianetics/Scientology, or rather his
> > exceedingly lack of understanding it and tackle it in the proper
> > perspective.
>
> IAW, he has a different view on matters than you, thus he doesn't
> understand nor has a proper perspective.
> How odd is that......
He is criticized for lacking support for many claims. Got NOTHING to
do with a different view, nothing whatsoever...
>
> > > Hey Snoeck, when are YOU going to address the scientology organization
> > > in stead of annoying critics?
>
> > I've done that at great lenght, and much more effectively than you
> > people.
>
> "You people"? Another label.
> Not on ARS, you didn't.
ARS seems to be ALL you live for then. Irrelevant, although to some
extend I also did that here.
> And how effective is "much more effective"? Has it been in the media?
Oh right, it has been in the media, thus it must have been
'effective'... thus you believe what they tell you, you are a
follower...
> Did the public learn about it in large? Has it lead to discussions
> about, and exposing of the organization? Or is it hidden in ten
> thousands of words on your precious website?
> If you effectively want to reach the public, you have to offer them
> easy to read stuff. Like my website for instance. In Google.nl it is
> on page #1, sometimes #2 for some years. Effective enough?
You think and reason as a propagandist. You lack proper support for
your claims and beliefs, and so you focus on 'vote', as that is ALL
you have...
RR
>
> Peter
>
> "That which works in $cientology
> is not unique to $cientology,
> and that which is unique to $cientology
> does not work."
> - Prufrock
>
> http://www.scamofscientology.nl
Roadrunner
By your opinion, not by own admission...
> Another 3 years to go before you wake up and recognize the scam?
How do you become this ignorant? I 'researched' it, and EVERY angle of
it! You are though unable to comprehend its complications...
RR
Ted Mayett
<ph...@philscott.net> wrote:
>
>I dont think you are der real Teddy bud... obfuscating youtube by
>digging up
>its least worthy examples amid countless exceedingly valuable
>commentary including
>major universities and scholars etc.
>
Just finished watching that silly new Transformers movie. Somewhere
in the beginning a group of college guys are finding evidence of these
robots here on earth. And the guy who *knows* the robots are real is
in the room with them and says something like, "it is all fake, those
videos are fake." And one of the guys says to him, "but the videos
are on youtube so they have to be real." Of course this is just
comedy, comedy for the movie.
Peter Schilte
And you pretend you do know me!?
>
>
>
>
> > > The strongest one is that person that puts him/herself in an isolated
> > > position. I criticize the anti-Scientologists, the organization and
> > > even the Freezone.
>
> > How you criticized the organization? Not here on ARS. And, being a
> > committed scientologist, why keep it hidden?
> > Your criticism towards critics adds up to attacking critics.
> > Same with the Freezone, where in fact the Freezone , from my point of
> > view, is the better one: No disconnection, no Fair Game (although on
> > paper it is canceled, but o, so much in practice up until this very
> > day), no RPF, on short scientology without inhumanities.
>
> > > Your Aaron only attacks the organization. Thus your Aaron does not
> > > actually think for himself.
>
> > "My" Aaron? Labeling again, Michel?
>
> Like in 'your' St. Gerry. You can't criticize any of these guru's of
> yours, you believe whatever they spout.
>
You still pretend you know me, as you insist I have guru's. Why is it
that in you limited views when someone agrees with another you have to
label them as gurus? The only possible explanation is that you
yourself have a guru. And I bet his name starts with an H.
> > And yes, he is attacking the organization, like most critics do.
> > because they are not bigots.
>
> That is determined by their support of proper historical
> interpretation...
Only in your twisted mind.
> if you demand that from your Aaron, he simply kicks
> you...
As you demanded it in your usual, offensive way, I am not surprised he
did.
>
>
>
> > > This becomes quite clear when we see how
> > > he regards the subject of Dianetics/Scientology, or rather his
> > > exceedingly lack of understanding it and tackle it in the proper
> > > perspective.
>
> > IAW, he has a different view on matters than you, thus he doesn't
> > understand nor has a proper perspective.
> > How odd is that......
>
> He is criticized for lacking support for many claims.
You NEVER trust people, now do you. Always nagging about "support",
"evaluations", "research".
Not once you believe people when they tell about their experiences.
> Got NOTHING to
> do with a different view, nothing whatsoever...
Yeah, right.
>
>
>
> > > > Hey Snoeck, when are YOU going to address the scientology organization
> > > > in stead of annoying critics?
>
> > > I've done that at great lenght, and much more effectively than you
> > > people.
>
> > "You people"? Another label.
> > Not on ARS, you didn't.
>
> ARS seems to be ALL you live for then. Irrelevant, although to some
> extend I also did that here.
>
Seems? Yes, to a person with such limited views as yourself, it might.
In reality? Nope.
> > And how effective is "much more effective"? Has it been in the media?
>
> Oh right, it has been in the media, thus it must have been
> 'effective'...
Then explain what you mean with "much more effective" if you cannot
answer a simple question.
> thus you believe what they tell you, you are a
> follower...
>
Thus you assume too much, again...
Unlike you, I am no follower of Hubbard's dogma's re psychiatry.
> > Did the public learn about it in large? Has it lead to discussions
> > about, and exposing of the organization? Or is it hidden in ten
> > thousands of words on your precious website?
> > If you effectively want to reach the public, you have to offer them
> > easy to read stuff. Like my website for instance. In Google.nl it is
> > on page #1, sometimes #2 for some years. Effective enough?
>
> You think and reason as a propagandist.
You mean something like the 11.000+ words whining about Gerry
Armstrong on you website? THAT is propaganda, if you want to see a
nice example of propaganda.
> You lack proper support for
> your claims and beliefs,
Got you! As YOU are the one that many times "ask" for the support of
readers here. You are SO easy!
> and so you focus on 'vote', as that is ALL
> you have...
>
Rather preconceived opinion. Based on nothing. I couldn't care less
about "vote". As that never has been my goal.
Even you never were able to find anything that is untrue or a lie on
my website. Neither was the cult. So all I have is truth, checked and
double checked, as I am not interested in law suits.
Peter
"'Psychiatry' and 'psychiatrist' are easily redefined to mean 'an anti-
social enemy of the people'. This takes the kill crazy psychiatrist
off the preferred list of professions...The redefinition of words is
done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than
were intended...Scientologists are redefining 'doctor', 'Psychiatry'
and 'psychology' to mean 'undesirable antisocial elements'...The way
to redefine a word is to get the new definition repeated as often as
possible. Thus it is necessary to redefine medicine, psychiatry and
psychology downward and define Dianetics and Scientology upwards.
This, so far as words are concerned, is the public opinion battle for
belief in your definitions, and not those of the opposition. A
consistent, repeated effort is the key to any success with this
technique of propaganda."
- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 5
October 1971, PR Series 12, "Propaganda by Redefinition of Words"
Peter Schilte
Of course not. Admitting you were wrong for over 27 years could be
devastating for someone like you.
However not for people like Tory. You see, they have something you
don't have: GUTS.
> > Another 3 years to go before you wake up and recognize the scam?
>
> How do you become this ignorant? I 'researched' it, and EVERY angle of
> it!
Yes, and it is very obvious you did, by the way you behave.
> You are though unable to comprehend its complications...
>
But I do! I do very well understand how impossible it must be for a
person like yourself to admit he was conned for over 27 years! That he
wasted 27 years of his life with digging in deep in the HCOPL's and
all the other stuff! To admit that being in for 27 years brought
nothing but wasted time and money! I really do!
ho...@lightlink.com
>
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralov...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a9996498-0046-41ff...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 22, 5:53 pm, "Magoo" <mago...@charter.net> wrote:
>> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>
> Tory, why don't you get it? Neither Jonathon, RR nor I are posting on
> behalf of the C of S but expressing our own opinions. But we don't
> have to automatically adore and promote any phoney who tries to make
> some profit by attacking our religion. We are still Scientologists
> even if we do not endorse DM. Why is that so hard to be
> understood?
Hey Magoo,
There used to be a whos who FAQ on a.r.s, does this still exist?
What I find most unbelieveable is that there are people on a.r.s
who act AS IF they are hostile critics who really are in fact church
plants.
I can understand the motivation to make a.r.s look like it is a
looney bin of religious bigots, or to make the intelligent critics look
bad.
Also everyone posting under everyone else's name, this place is a
real war zone.
Anyhow it would be nice to have a complete directory of posters,
what they claim to be and what they really are, and maybe evidence
pointing in that direction.
If I take things at face value, there are 3 kinds of posters here.
1.) Churchies who are still involved in Scn.
2.) Ex Churchies who are no longer involved in the Church
3.) Mercenaries who have come to join the fray.
Each group breaks up into two sub groups, those that are ignorant
of the subject and those that are knowledgeable, usually through direct
experience, either in the Church or out of it.
Just because someone is in the Church doesn't mean they have a clue
what Hubbard/Scn/Clearing are really about. That takes years of
professional devotion to the subject.
And lastly, further there are those that are still involved in
independent clearing even though out.
A vast majority of the postings on this group are people attacking
other people, or accusing others of not being who they say they are, and
the minority of the postings are about Scientology, or the Church's
misbehavior.
That would itself probably be a sign of someone trying to create
chaos.
Small people talk about people. These are the trouble makers.
Medium sized people talk about events. These are good people.
Big people talk about ideas. These are the best people.
So a count of postings that fall into each of those three groups by
each person over time would give you a clue as to what kind of mind you
were talking to.
A nice weekly robopost of the Who's Who would keep everyone
informed of the state of things, who the lie factories were, who was
shilling for who etc.
Homer
henri
> Small people talk about people. These are the trouble makers.
> Medium sized people talk about events. These are good people.
> Big people talk about ideas. These are the best people.
And IDIOTS spam newsgroups with garbage.
phil scott
>
> Also perhaps a case of blackmail for statutory rape on the part of the
> Southern District of California IRS Commissioner's son...who met a 14
> year old on Hollywood Blvds... who was shortly thereafter a member of
> THE SEA ORG... and some other sleazy crap I know even less
> about...regarding a PI named Krywicki (Thats how it sounds I don't
> recall the spelling) and a videotape... and Bill Clinton's
> scientologist college roommate who knew damn well whether Billy Boy
> just inhaled and what else he inhaled.
>
> Arnie Lerma
> Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
>
> Thom Marcellus originally joined the Spotlight as a copy runner..a
> decade previously, the guy that pushes the cart to various offices
> with messages etc..and worked his way up to become Willis Carto's
> "right hand man" He had "the keys to everything"...
>
> More Informationhttp://www.Lermanet.com/CST/http://www.lermanet.com/cisar/carto/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkQKZfmk7hM
it is messy and convoluted, no doubt you are entirely correct on the
spotlight/ carto/ and IHR range of issues.
aside from and beyond that is:
Meade Emmory and the IRS (he was not just an attorney for the IRS but
its deputy director in the 1975 range).. is another kettle of
fish..involving as you know who owns and controls Hubbards copyrights,
officially...
these IRS agents, and the IRS an arm of the privately held Federal
Reserve and their member banks in the EU.. and those private
holdings ..
CL had posted a long chain of those founding documents to this NG in
the mid to late 90's.. saved on a few of my old hard drives and not
easily accessible..but no doubt in some private logs and perhaps on
google to the extent that they were not purged (wired mag article on
google infiltration and purges by scn operatives)...
US intelligence is up to ears in this mess as well with the links Ive
been mentioning..well documented links.. USBX and the Carlyle
group ..the Kobrins and ATEG otc..Col Wm Odom, the SRI experiments and
those tens of millions in funding, US intelligence goes back badly as
well, to Herbert Walker Bush who later headed the CIA but had been
early indicted for dealing with the enemy (german banks and mfgrs)
during world war 2...
an odd set of bed fellows doncha know.
Phil scott
Phil scott
Magoo
You're right...........and thanks for pointing that out: I AM the same
person, of course, with one tiny difference. I got into Scientology with the
intention to help people. I was rarely able to, due to 'the tech'not really
working, and then got suckered into your gang's OSA crap. Now, since out,
I've helped literally over 1,000 people (both young and all different ages)
either get out, or not join :) That it one BIG difference that no matter how
many creepy words you post about me (and what DID happen to using
Scientology, vs. on here daily trying to slime *me* and others?)....
those people are STILL Leaving and not joining, and all you do is help us
along :)
Thanks and Merry Christmas!
Tory/Magoo www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044
Magoo
****How do you become this ignorant? I 'researched' it, and EVERY angle of
it! You are though unable to comprehend its complications...***
*** The Ultimate TRAP: "You can't comprehend it's complications."
THE biggest load of crap yet. Thanks, RR---you are good at reminding
all of us why we left :)
TLC
Magoo
> On 21 Dec, 18:06, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 21 dec, 16:41, Peter Schilte <peterschi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 21 dec, 11:44, Roadrunner <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > > >http://www.vimeo.com/8277124
>>
>> > > > This should be mandatory listening.
>>
> position. I criticize the anti-Scientologists, the organization and
> even the Freezone.
>
> he regards the subject of Dianetics/Scientology, or rather his
> exceedingly lack of understanding it and tackle it in the proper
> perspective.
>
>
>> in stead of annoying critics?
>
> I've done that at great lenght, and much more effectively than you
> people.
>
>
>
>> You have no guts. All you have is your invalidations. Credibility? You
>> have zero. Child? You are one, and one of the most disgusting and
>> cowardice ones that ever walked the surface of this earth. Wisdom? You
>> have none, so you have nothing to share with anybody. Implying that
>> you have no understanding whatsoever, as you have shown on many
>> occasions.
>> Go tell the management that they don't understand scientology. Go tell
>> them that they apply tech wrongly. Go tell them they have to stick
>> with the subject of scientology. Go tel them they are a bunch of
>> greedy sociopaths. Go tell them to stop abusing people. 'Cause THEY,
>> the management of th cult, are the ones you should address.
>> Maybe, just maybe then you will be what you once claimed to be: A real
>> critic.
>>
>> Peter
Well said, Peter :)
TLC
Hartley Patterson
> There used to be a whos who FAQ on a.r.s, does this still exist?
It's still online, but hasn't been updated for a long while.
> What I find most unbelieveable is that there are people on a.r.s
> who act AS IF they are hostile critics who really are in fact church
> plants.
The long running 'Truthseeker' 'Lily fire red' Op? Yes indeed. It didn't
fool anyone, and was created by the OSA handling team for the sole purpose
of telling Mr Miscavige how clever they were. Mr Miscavige is the
Ecclesiastical Leader of a Bona Fide Religion like that other guy, the
Pope, he doesn't have time to read the Internet.
> Anyhow it would be nice to have a complete directory of posters,
> what they claim to be and what they really are, and maybe evidence
> pointing in that direction.
Just ask someone you are certain is real, like one of the old time posters.
The old 'Web of Trust' still works fine.
> If I take things at face value, there are 3 kinds of posters here.
>
> 1.) Churchies who are still involved in Scn.
> 2.) Ex Churchies who are no longer involved in the Church
> 3.) Mercenaries who have come to join the fray.
1) The OSA team. No Churchie posts here without Authorisation. Any that do
are Declared.
2) Yes
3) I don't know of anyone paid to post here. Who would do that?
4) Plus the critics who were never scientologists
5) And the spammers, trolls, lunatics etc
> Small people talk about people. These are the trouble makers.
>
> Medium sized people talk about events. These are good people.
>
> Big people talk about ideas. These are the best people.
You are indeed confused! The ideas bit moved elsewhere, to websites mostly.
Did you never wonder where everyone who was on ACT went to? They moved to
websites as well. ARS is for flaming and news mostly, but most people post
on more than one forum.
> A nice weekly robopost of the Who's Who would keep everyone
> informed of the state of things, who the lie factories were, who was
> shilling for who etc.
There's no need. There are many other places to discuss Scientology now, as
noted in the ARS FAQ. Bet you've not read that!
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Please read before posting
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ho...@lightlink.com
> The long running 'Truthseeker' 'Lily fire red' Op? Yes indeed. It didn't
> fool anyone, and was created by the OSA handling team for the sole purpose
> of telling Mr Miscavige how clever they were. Mr Miscavige is the
> Ecclesiastical Leader of a Bona Fide Religion like that other guy, the
> Pope, he doesn't have time to read the Internet.
OK, sorry, I really don't get this.
OSA is trying to communicate to DM by virtue of making asses of
themselves on usenet? What was the message they were trying to get
across.
There was no effort to communicate something to the public too?
Does OSA not like DM? Is OSA on the side of the DM critics?
>> 1.) Churchies who are still involved in Scn.
>> 2.) Ex Churchies who are no longer involved in the Church
>> 3.) Mercenaries who have come to join the fray.
>
> 1) The OSA team. No Churchie posts here without Authorisation. Any that do
> are Declared.
This might be true, I know churchies that have posted without
Auth.
But yes, the Church is suppressive as hell when it comes to
free and open communiation of any kind.
> 2) Yes
> 3) I don't know of anyone paid to post here. Who would do that?
They aren't paid, they are just following a just cause
in their mind. Some of the mercs just want a license to throw
cow pies.
> 4) Plus the critics who were never scientologists
These were the mercs I was referring to.
> You are indeed confused! The ideas bit moved elsewhere, to websites mostly.
> Did you never wonder where everyone who was on ACT went to?
Yes the cowards did. Most still read a.c.t, but they don't
dare post. Too scared.
>> A nice weekly robopost of the Who's Who would keep everyone
>> informed of the state of things, who the lie factories were, who was
>> shilling for who etc.
>
> There's no need. There are many other places to discuss Scientology now, as
> noted in the ARS FAQ. Bet you've not read that!
No, I will do that.
Homer
>
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Roadrunner
Ah, and that took you a whole 30 years to realize that? How is that
possible? You did what others told you to do.
The basic outset of the subject is that you see for yourself if
something works or not. You violated that rule...
>and then got suckered into your gang's OSA crap.
You admit here htat you submitted yourself to them, I never did.
>Now, since out,
> I've helped literally over 1,000 people (both young and all different ages)
> either get out, or not join :)
Helping per your definition in the above that is. There is a
difference.
>That it one BIG difference that no matter how
> many creepy words you post about me (and what DID happen to using
> Scientology, vs. on here daily trying to slime *me* and others?)....
> those people are STILL Leaving and not joining, and all you do is help us
> along :)
I fear you will not be able to kill the subject...
RR
>
> Thanks and Merry Christmas!
> Tory/Magoowww.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Hartley Patterson
> OSA is trying to communicate to DM by virtue of making asses of
> themselves on usenet? What was the message they were trying to get
> across.
My theory of course: OSA has been trying to handle ARS/ACT since 1995,
without any success as you know, indeed it was 'reverse handling' in that
it created more Enemies, not removed any.
I suspect what OSA used to do is to give Miscavige printouts from Google
News which showed their operatives were all over the 'First Page' and only
they would be seen by casual visitors. Miscavige understands 'First Page'
as a search for 'Scientology' on Google brings up suppressive websites on
the 'First Page'. That's why the Church spent so much effort attacking
Wikipedia.
The OSA Usenet team are sat in their little office in LA, not Keeping
Scientology Working, safe from RPF. That's all they care about. They are
the lowest of the low.
> This might be true, I know churchies that have posted without
> Auth.
And got Declared for it.
> > 4) Plus the critics who were never scientologists
>
> These were the mercs I was referring to.
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=mercenary
(n) mercenary, soldier of fortune (a person hired to fight for another
country than their own)
> Yes the cowards did. Most still read a.c.t, but they don't
> dare post. Too scared.
Then they needn't be. The Church is dying.
The newer ex-CoS people, scientologists or otherwise, haven't bothered with
Usenet. Most newcomers to the Internet don't know Usenet exists. The same
is true for critics and ARS! They went straight to web discussion boards.
Roadrunner
You are not listening. Choosing a side does not equal guts, where
standing alone does... Tory nor Aaron did any such.
>
> > > Another 3 years to go before you wake up and recognize the scam?
>
> > How do you become this ignorant? I 'researched' it, and EVERY angle of
> > it!
>
> Yes, and it is very obvious you did, by the way you behave.
>
> > You are though unable to comprehend its complications...
>
> But I do! I do very well understand how impossible it must be for a
> person like yourself to admit he was conned for over 27 years! That he
> wasted 27 years of his life with digging in deep in the HCOPL's and
> all the other stuff! To admit that being in for 27 years brought
> nothing but wasted time and money! I really do!
You talk where your opinion is at. You assume a 'truth' and adjudicate
from that, and ONLY that. It's just that you CAN NOT UNDERSTAND
MATTERS. I never was a follower, Tory by her own admission was, and so
was Aaron. Indeed they have wasted their time (accepting getting live
experiences).
Defining an interest in the subject of Scientology/Dianetics and
subsequently equaling that with being a follower is prejudice and
ignorance... it is discrimination. Hitler had also such same
motivators.
RR
Roadrunner
You were a FOLOWER, I never was. You were a sofa-sitter, I never was.
I verifed and compared everything, and found the sources of data and
research, you never did... You don't understand these matters, you are
only justifying from where you are at...
RR
realpch
Homer, you probably don't know that you've been dumping everybody who
posts to ars in one bin or another for years. You religious bigot you!
:-D
Merry Christmas!
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> ho...@lightlink.com wrote:
>> This might be true, I know churchies that have posted without
>> Auth.
>
> And got Declared for it.
Only if they kept at it after being ordered not to.
I recall a few posters suddenly Disconnecting from ARS, complete with the
whole amends formula--very strange!
--
Ron of that ilk.
ho...@lightlink.com
> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=mercenary
>
> (n) mercenary, soldier of fortune (a person hired to fight for another
> country than their own)
Yes, merc was wrong word, I meant the people who join
a cause withOUT being paid for it.
Those who never been in the Church.
>> Yes the cowards did. Most still read a.c.t, but they don't
>> dare post. Too scared.
>
> Then they needn't be. The Church is dying.
Uh, it's brown shirts are quite alive, your statement is not fully
responsible.
> The newer ex-CoS people, scientologists or otherwise, haven't bothered with
> Usenet. Most newcomers to the Internet don't know Usenet exists. The same
> is true for critics and ARS! They went straight to web discussion boards.
Yes, and most discussion boards are filtered according to the
moderator.
I will take good old usenet any day.
Only without content moderation can the full truth of both sides be
known.
Thanks for clarifing, I will read your FAQ.
Peter Schilte
Choosing to leave and face the consequents needs guts. Stepping up and
criticize that what was part of your life for 30 years needs guts.
Simply stating that it is ONLY changing sides is idiotically
simplifying. And it is obvious why you do it.
>
>
> > > > Another 3 years to go before you wake up and recognize the scam?
>
> > > How do you become this ignorant? I 'researched' it, and EVERY angle of
> > > it!
>
> > Yes, and it is very obvious you did, by the way you behave.
>
> > > You are though unable to comprehend its complications...
>
> > But I do! I do very well understand how impossible it must be for a
> > person like yourself to admit he was conned for over 27 years! That he
> > wasted 27 years of his life with digging in deep in the HCOPL's and
> > all the other stuff! To admit that being in for 27 years brought
> > nothing but wasted time and money! I really do!
>
> You talk where your opinion is at. You assume a 'truth' and adjudicate
> from that, and ONLY that.
You stated you are a scientologist for 27 years. Plus your 1400+ page
website tells the rest.
BTW, isn't that what you CONSTANTLY do yourself?
> It's just that you CAN NOT UNDERSTAND
> MATTERS.
I only cannot understand why you, a supposedly intelligent person,
stays in a cult for 27 years, AND NOT WANT TO GET OUT.
> I never was a follower, Tory by her own admission was, and so
> was Aaron. Indeed they have wasted their time (accepting getting live
> experiences).
>
You ARE a follower: of Hubbard.
> Defining an interest in the subject of Scientology/Dianetics and
> subsequently equaling that with being a follower is prejudice and
> ignorance... it is discrimination.
Being one of many critics and because of that equaling that with
being a follower is exactly the same: prejudiced and ignorant.
> Hitler had also such same
> motivators.
Your guru Hubbard also: World domination, disposing "quietly and
without sorrow" those who are below 2.0 on the Tone Scale, the
handling of psychiatry: You opened the can yourself, Michel Snoeck.
You are the follower of a psychopath.
phil scott
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well said Peter,,, RR is the follower of a psychopath...maybe not at
first but hubbard ended
completely insane... unfortunately... and RR follows him and his
insane edicts
Note to RR.... thats just how it is bud
Phil scott
Magoo
That's right, you live in fear: I do not. If Scientology, the tech,
continues, I don't care. The scams have been exposed, and will continue to
be exposed...so true expansion is d o n e. Most important are the abuses.
If C of $ continues with it's abuses,
you'd damn well better care.
Tory/Magoo
Roger Larsson
RR
If Ron Hubbards mother had satisfied his father in a different way we
had all gone yummy-yummy instead of basic-basic. She could have saved
us from alot of bullshit.
Sara Northrups truth about Ron Hubbard carries more weight than his
own lies about himself.
rhill
>
> That's right, you live in fear: I do not. If Scientology, the tech,
> continues, I don't care. The scams have been exposed, and will continue to
> be exposed...so true expansion is d o n e. Most important are the abuses.
> If C of $ continues with it's abuses,
> you'd damn well better care.
>
> Tory/Magoo
LRH too equated exposure of the "subject" as "killing the subject,"
hence his "do not want Scientology to be reported in the press, anywhere
else than on the religious page of newspapers. [...] Therefore we should
be very alert to sue for slander at the slightest chance so as to
discourage the public presses from mentioning Scientology."
As they say nowadays, Epic Fail.
Jommy Cross
<4b32...@news2.lightlink.com>:
>Hartley Patterson <hpt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=mercenary
>>
>> (n) mercenary, soldier of fortune (a person hired to fight for another
>> country than their own)
>
> Yes, merc was wrong word, I meant the people who join
>a cause withOUT being paid for it.
d00d, I prefer the term "bhodisattwa" for such people.
Ever yours in fandom,
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> Yes, and most discussion boards are filtered according to the
> moderator.
> I will take good old usenet any day.
> Only without content moderation can the full truth of both sides be
> known.
Boards are just a different way of communicating. Well moderated and with
clear objectives they can achieve more than ARS ever could.
Your point is also true, it is good to have at least one unfiltered outlet
where we can be sure no one is being censored. That way extreme
troublemakers can never claim that their silliness is being kept off the
Internet by some cabal of the Critically Correct.
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Roadrunner
You can not be reasoned with. You assume... Sara Northrups 'truth' is
true to you as you assume it to be so... You are the prototype of the
uncritical gullible individual...
RR
Roadrunner
This is the typical response from the non-intelligent... you are
twisting here...
>If Scientology, the tech,
> continues, I don't care. The scams have been exposed,
You used to be a gullible FOLLOWER, and today you are the gullible
OPPOSER. The scam is in your head, as you NEVER bothered to check up
on things, you DID WHAT YOU WERE TOLD TO DO, and you BLINDLY
FOLLOWED!!!!!
>and will continue to
> be exposed...so true expansion is d o n e. Most important are the abuses.
> If C of $ continues with it's abuses,
> you'd damn well better care.
I don't care about ecce homo, because it is ecce homo. It is up to man
himslef if something gets perverted and misused. Blame people, but you
blame the subject...
RR
Roadrunner
> "Roadrunner" <roadrunner.eni...@gmail.com> wrote in message
What he says bears no significance anywhere. You are petting his
shoulder for ... nothing.
People are not the subject, you nor this Sir Peter have any
understanding for that. Blaming people is easy, damn easy... The both
of you were and continue to be FOLLOWERS... tsk, tsk...
RR
Peter Schilte
You do constantly.
> Sara Northrups 'truth' is
> true to you as you assume it to be so...
So you assume it is not.
> You are the prototype of the
> uncritical gullible individual...
>
> RR
Gullible? You still fall for Hubbard......
Peter Schilte
And THIS is the answer from an intelligent person? LOL!
> >If Scientology, the tech,
> > continues, I don't care. The scams have been exposed,
>
> You used to be a gullible FOLLOWER, and today you are the gullible
> OPPOSER.
You can't have it both ways, Michel Snoeck, it is one or the other,
not both.
> The scam is in your head, as you NEVER bothered to check up
> on things, you DID WHAT YOU WERE TOLD TO DO, and you BLINDLY
> FOLLOWED!!!!!
>
Like you, a scientologist for 27 years, are still doing.
> >and will continue to
> > be exposed...so true expansion is d o n e. Most important are the abuses.
> > If C of $ continues with it's abuses,
> > you'd damn well better care.
>
> I don't care about ecce homo, because it is ecce homo. It is up to man
> himslef if something gets perverted and misused. Blame people, but you
> blame the subject...
>
> RR
Well, it is obvious what the "subject" did to you. That is reason
enough to blame the "subject".
You are the prototype of the ronbot.
Peter Schilte
It doesn't!? Well, it appears to be sufficiently significant for you
to respond.
> People are not the subject, you nor this Sir Peter have any
> understanding for that.
And you do, not withstanding your social inabilities? Well, as long as
you believe it yourself.....
> Blaming people is easy, damn easy...
yes, especially when they ARE to blame for matters.
> The both
> of you were and continue to be FOLLOWERS... tsk, tsk...
>
> RR
Followers, like in "being a scientologist for 27 years and still a
devoted follower of Hubbard"?
You are accusing others for being what you yourself are, Michel.
Roadrunner
The responses that I receive for my researches speak for themselves.
You never will have those kind, and you can't have that...
>
> > Blaming people is easy, damn easy...
>
> yes, especially when they ARE to blame for matters.
>
> > The both
> > of you were and continue to be FOLLOWERS... tsk, tsk...
>
> > RR
>
> Followers, like in "being a scientologist for 27 years and still a
> devoted follower of Hubbard"?
In your insanity and selfrighteousness you purposely mistake
'interest' and 'use' for following. Still have not one word of
criticism to say about your guru St. Gerry. Of course not... I guess
you also find that if some person wishes to cross a street that he
must have lots of adoration for traffic... yeah, must be...
Your ex-girlfriend got off drugs because of the application of data, a
miracle you refuse to explain by any means. And what did you do? You
invalidate that person.. What a lovely individual you are... you
betray people because they become cause over you.
RR
Roadrunner
ALL you have left is attack. You betray people. 'I am Sir Peter, I
need to harrash, I just HAVE to...'.
RR
Roadrunner
I never did, and most definitely will never do... At the same time it
shows you never got a grip of the subjects, and likely never will...
not my problem.
You continue to be a shameless defamer and a foul twister. You betray
people as soon as you fear they are more than you'll ever be.
RR
Roadrunner
Again, you can not be reasoned with. You MUST attack and harrash those
that oppose you or you consider to be a threat to your existence. You
admittedly betrayed your ex-girlfriend when she got off drugs because
of Scientology application.
RR
Peter Schilte
Receiving responses for your researches? Is there ANY connection with
your social inabilities?
And you are some sort of fortune teller that "knows" about responses
that unknown people send to other unknown people?
You really are insane.
>
>
> > > Blaming people is easy, damn easy...
>
> > yes, especially when they ARE to blame for matters.
>
> > > The both
> > > of you were and continue to be FOLLOWERS... tsk, tsk...
>
> > > RR
>
> > Followers, like in "being a scientologist for 27 years and still a
> > devoted follower of Hubbard"?
>
> In your insanity and selfrighteousness you purposely mistake
> 'interest' and 'use' for following.
I don't care how you call it. Being in a cult means that you are a
follower of its guru.
> Still have not one word of
> criticism to say about your guru St. Gerry. Of course not...
Of course not. Because YOU think I should? You really, REALLY are
insane.
> I guess
> you also find that if some person wishes to cross a street that he
> must have lots of adoration for traffic... yeah, must be...
>
You definitely are crazy.
> Your ex-girlfriend got off drugs because of the application of data, a
> miracle you refuse to explain by any means.
"Application of data". ROFLMAO! She got of drugs like many others did
in other, non-scientology related rehabilitation facilities. A
miracle? Hardly, after 4 earlier attempts.
> And what did you do? You
> invalidate that person..
You are obsessed with the idea that I MUST have invalidated her.
because your social inabilities leaves you no other explanation. Sad.
> What a lovely individual you are...
She still thinks I am. But that also will be beyond your
comprehension.
> you
> betray people because they become cause over you.
>
That must be the reason she still likes me. LOL!
Michel, you are a moron, a socially incapacitated moron. You have no
idea about people. Must be the 27 year involvement with the scam of
scientology.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
>
> You basically wasted 30 years, and continued to waste another 9
> years...
>
> RR
snip
Thanks Tory. Absolutely, your time these last 9 years on chat sites
and on YouTube is NOT wasted. I definitely was helped by your
speaking up Tory! Merry Christmas.
I wish MORE honest OT 7s and 8s would open up publicly about how NON
OT they became. "Tom Cruise can't fly!" is my favorite anonymous
poster, besides "Stop beating staff!"
Chuck
Peter Schilte
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the ARS kitchen, ronbot. You
of all people accusing others for attacking and harassing: Are you
crazy? (Stupid question, I know. You proved that already ad
infinitum.)
Peter
Peter Schilte
And all we have is your word for it, while your behavior tells
otherwise.
>
> You continue to be a shameless defamer and a foul twister. You betray
> people as soon as you fear they are more than you'll ever be.
>
You said it. So you are.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
wrote:
> ho...@lightlink.com wrote:
> > � � �OSA is trying to communicate to DM by virtue of making asses of
> > themselves on usenet? �What was the message they were trying to get
> > across.
>
> without any success as you know, indeed it was 'reverse handling' in that
> it created more Enemies, not removed any.
> I suspect what OSA used to do is to give Miscavige printouts from Google
> News which showed their operatives were all over the 'First Page' and only
> they would be seen by casual visitors. Miscavige understands 'First Page'
> as a search for 'Scientology' on Google brings up suppressive websites on
> the 'First Page'. That's why the Church spent so much effort attacking
> Wikipedia.
> The OSA Usenet team are sat in their little office in LA, not Keeping
> Scientology Working, safe from RPF. That's all they care about. They are
> the lowest of the low.
>
> > This might be true, I know churchies that have posted without
> > Auth.
>
> And got Declared for it.
>
>
> > � � These were the mercs I was referring to.
>
>
> (n) mercenary, soldier of fortune (a person hired to fight for another
> country than their own)
>
> > dare post. �Too scared.
>
> Then they needn't be. The Church is dying.
>
> Usenet. Most newcomers to the Internet don't know Usenet exists. The same
> is true for critics and ARS! They went straight to web discussion boards.
>
> ARS FAQ
> Please read before postinghttp://www.newsfrombree.co.uk/faq.htm
Agreed.
Because Miscavige and RTC staffers, the ones who would ensure the OSA
internet team (Gavino and whoever else) are doing their jobs, and are
making valid OSA approved statistics each week, they are probably
doing exactly as you speculate, and counting the "counter attack"
"handlings" they do here on ARS as the counter handling step they are
OBLIGATED by their statistics ("Situations Found"/"Situations
Handled", that type of dual statistic) to DO SOMETHING ABOUT the
negative LRH images and negative Scientology images they are getting.
You're probably right on the money on ARS just being their stat
heaven, and only "body thetan" OT 5 sort of "OT's" are allowed to do
the work for OSA officially, because otherwise this site is so toxic.
"Get your alien souls removed here!" (My protest sign I'd carry were
I to protest outside of AOLA, or in front of Flag, or in front of any
of the Advanced Orgs.)
"Alien soul exorcism, that's Scientology in a nutshell." And once a
person is free of all their alien souls that hitchhike on them, then
that person is ready for their real OT superpower levels. Too bad no
one has gotten up to that level, which is why Scientology is a
fraud. No OTs. Tom Cruise can't fly.
Chuck Beatty