If someone could help point me in the right direction.. Who was Astra Woodcrafts mom? Is her last name still Woodcraft? and was she in charge of taking care of Lisa Mcpherson? Has anyone ever put flyers up around Gold Base? or DM's home? It seems the more I read the more I find out some real creepy stuff about this So called "Church" Why do they put up Christmas decorations if they don't believe in Christ? Is it legal to put up flyers in a residential area? It's like shining a light on a bunch of cockroaches.. Is the gold base accesible? I don't live far from there and would love to go check it out, Can you see it from the street? Sorry for all the questions, I have so many sites bookmarked I keep losing track trying to find these answers. Thanks in advance for any help, It is much appreciated!
On Apr 16, 9:18 am, "kayaker" <justtam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If someone could help point me in the right direction.. > Who was Astra Woodcrafts mom? Is her last name still Woodcraft? > and was she in charge of taking care of Lisa Mcpherson? > Has anyone ever put flyers up around Gold Base? or DM's home? >From what I've read, I believe that DM lives inside Gold. > It seems the more I read the more I find out some real creepy stuff > about this So called "Church" > Why do they put up Christmas decorations if they don't believe in > Christ?
To fool the public into thinking that it's not a cult and that you can believe in God and still be a scientologist.
We know this is not true because when someone reaches OT III they are told that that the idea of God is just an implant.
> Is it legal to put up flyers in a residential area?
Depends on local ordinances.
> It's like shining a light on a bunch of cockroaches.. > Is the gold base accesible? I don't live far from there and would love > to go check it out, Can you see it from the street?
You can see it on Google Earth.
> Sorry for all the questions, I have so many sites bookmarked I keep > losing track trying to find these answers.
I'm the same way. I now have hundreds of bookmarks and am in the process of organizing them. It's tedious work, though.
kayaker wrote: > If someone could help point me in the right direction.. > Who was Astra Woodcrafts mom? Is her last name still Woodcraft? > and was she in charge of taking care of Lisa Mcpherson?
No, no connection. The people who were babywatching Ms McPherson have been disappeared.
> Has anyone ever put flyers up around Gold Base? or DM's home?
There would seem little point at Gold, the neighbors know about scientology already. Targeting individuals is counterproductive and sometimes illegal.
> It seems the more I read the more I find out some real creepy stuff > about this So called "Church"
Was that a question? You're not the only person to come up with 'creepy'.
> Why do they put up Christmas decorations if they don't believe in > Christ?
Lots of non-Christians put up Christmas decorations in my country, including me. If you ask why the cult has a Christian saint handing out presents, then I refer you to your previous question.
> Is it legal to put up flyers in a residential area?
Most places have local regulations against it.
> Is the gold base accesible? I don't live far from there and would love > to go check it out, Can you see it from the street?
See Google Maps. Google Earth has an annotated version. There is a public road that runs right through it, but you will be in front of security cameras and security guards may come to check you out if you stop.
On Apr 16, 9:18 am, "kayaker" <justtam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If someone could help point me in the right direction.. > Who was Astra Woodcrafts mom? Is her last name still Woodcraft? > and was she in charge of taking care of Lisa Mcpherson? > Has anyone ever put flyers up around Gold Base? or DM's home? > It seems the more I read the more I find out some real creepy stuff > about this So called "Church" > Why do they put up Christmas decorations if they don't believe in > Christ?
Why do a lot of Jews, atheists and other non Christians put up Christmas decorations?
Answer: because they want to celebrate the holiday season.
Speaking as an EX Christian who is a Scientologist (albeit an EX member of the church of Scn) I'm definitely pro the holiday season and I like decorations, Christmas parties and everything else.
It was the same when I was in CofS and is the same with others I know and knew in CofS.
Why should they be excluded from what's largely a secular holiday?
> Is it legal to put up flyers in a residential area?
On Apr 16, 12:06 pm, "butterflygrrrl" <butterflygrr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 9:18 am, "kayaker" <justtam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > If someone could help point me in the right direction.. > > Who was Astra Woodcrafts mom? Is her last name still Woodcraft? > > and was she in charge of taking care of Lisa Mcpherson? > > Has anyone ever put flyers up around Gold Base? or DM's home? > >From what I've read, I believe that DM lives inside Gold. > > It seems the more I read the more I find out some real creepy stuff > > about this So called "Church" > > Why do they put up Christmas decorations if they don't believe in > > Christ?
> To fool the public into thinking that it's not a cult and that you can > believe in God and still be a scientologist.
I know some Scientologists who consider themselves to be Christian and who DO believe in God.
It's left up to the individual Scn'ist.
> We know this is not true because when someone reaches OT III they are > told that that the idea of God is just an implant.
No, actually, they are not.
That's not the OTIII story.
You're thinking of the Christ as Implant story and that pertains to the murdered god mythos. And, yes, Hubbard did think that came out of an implant. BUT---
He did NOT say belief in deities is or was an implant or that there were no deities. In fact, I think he said he thought there might have been some deities.
Ball of Fluff wrote: > He did NOT say belief in deities is or was an implant or that there > were no deities. In fact, I think he said he thought there might have > been some deities.
He contradicted himself frequently since he didn't see any need to be consistent. Trying to assemble a consistent theology from Source is an exercise in futility. Not that theologies are required to be consistent of course.
On Apr 17, 4:15 pm, Hartley Patterson <hptt...@daisy.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Ball of Fluff wrote: > > He did NOT say belief in deities is or was an implant or that there > > were no deities. In fact, I think he said he thought there might have > > been some deities.
> He contradicted himself frequently since he didn't see any need to be > consistent. Trying to assemble a consistent theology from Source is an > exercise in futility. Not that theologies are required to be consistent > of course.
Sure. He contradicted himself on a lot of different things. However, I personally didn't think his comments on deities were really all that contradictory, but then again, I happen to ~like~ ambiguity.
After the bombing, the thetans were 'implanted'. Hubbard decribes the 'sequence' of the 'implant' thus:
(1) capture (being shot), (2) freezing, (3) transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point), (4) being placed near a volcano, (5) beginning implant up to "the pilot", (6) various picture sequences, (7) the 7s and C.C. and OT II materials, (8) 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of materials and three explanations for the bombing, (9) transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into clusters. The pictures contain God, the Devil, angels, space opera, theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and various scenes very like modern England. You name it, it's in this implant we call in its entirely "R6".
> After the bombing, the thetans were 'implanted'. Hubbard decribes the > 'sequence' of the 'implant' thus:
> (1) capture (being shot), > (2) freezing, > (3) transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point), > (4) being placed near a volcano, > (5) beginning implant up to "the pilot", > (6) various picture sequences, > (7) the 7s and C.C. and OT II materials, > (8) 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of > materials and three explanations for the bombing, > (9) transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into > clusters. > The pictures contain God, the Devil, angels, space opera, > theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, > trains and various scenes very like modern England. You name it, > it's in this implant we call in its entirely "R6".
I get it now. You're a scientologist guru. No wonder you have problems. Now don't project!
> After the bombing, the thetans were 'implanted'. Hubbard decribes the > 'sequence' of the 'implant' thus:
> (1) capture (being shot), > (2) freezing, > (3) transport to Teegeeack (sometimes via a relay point), > (4) being placed near a volcano, > (5) beginning implant up to "the pilot", > (6) various picture sequences, > (7) the 7s and C.C. and OT II materials, > (8) 36 days of picture implants which give a vast array of > materials and three explanations for the bombing, > (9) transport to Hawaii or Las Palmas for packaging up into > clusters. > The pictures contain God, the Devil, angels, space opera, > theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, > trains and various scenes very like modern England. You name it, > it's in this implant we call in its entirely "R6".
Believing there're implants about gods does not mean that Scn teaches there are no deities.
Scn does not teach that there are or were no deities.
You'll notice space opera is listed as one of the implanted pictures...yet we all know (and some of us bitch about it on a daily basis) that Scn has oodles and oodles of space opera...
Lawrence Woodcraft was married to Leslie Woodcraft. Leslie is still in the SO in LA, is a Class VI. She was part of the team taking care of Lisa but don't know if she was in charge. Her son Matt was in the RPF last I knew. I don't know if Leslie is the actual mom of Astra. She may be a step mom. Just a guess but I seem to recall reading something about that.
On Apr 16, 9:18 am, "kayaker" <justtam...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If someone could help point me in the right direction.. > Who was Astra Woodcrafts mom? Is her last name still Woodcraft? > and was she in charge of taking care of Lisa Mcpherson?
On Apr 18, 1:10 pm, Bowfinger <gs4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lawrence Woodcraft was married to Leslie Woodcraft. Leslie is still > in the SO in LA, is a Class VI. She was part of the team taking care > of Lisa but don't know if she was in charge. Her son Matt was in the > RPF last I knew. I don't know if Leslie is the actual mom of Astra. > She may be a step mom. Just a guess but I seem to recall reading > something about that.
Thanks for the info everyone, It is much appreciated.
