Identity criminal "Andreas" gives himself (and xenu.net) away...
Ralph Dorian
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In Message-ID: <lh6aducg8v1vjljgt...@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: That sniveling coward Andreas won't
answer my question
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 11:47:30 GMT
Mr. Rat Filth a.k.a. "Andreas Heldal-Lund" (stolen name)
a.k.a. "Steven Beuhler" (stolen name) wrote:
>I don't know what planet you are on, and I don't know
>what point you are trying to make.
Why does Mr. Rat Filth (Andreas) play so dumb?
He's trying to evade my question.
This is the post on which the question was based:
+In Message-ID: +<920qbtcusb37oacce...@4ax.com>
+Subject: Re: OSA's new tactic?
+Organization: Operation Clambake (OSA's main site)
+Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:15:44 GMT
+Mr. Rat Filth, a.k.a. "Andreas Heldal-Lund" - www.xenu.net
+<a...@xenu.net> wrote:
+
+>On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:54:31 -0500, BM <n...@aol.com> +wrote:
+>
+>>From what I have seen in the past few weeks I have
+>>been on this board it looks like the OSA goons are
+>>trying to make the critics fight among themselves
+>>as a plan to discourage them from coming to this board.
+>>Anyone else confirm/deny this?
+
+Mr. Filth (Andreas):
+>OSA's been playing this game a long time. On both sides of
+>the fence.
I simply asked Mr. Filth why OSA would play on the other side of
the "fence" he mentioned.
Then he evades my question with a pitifully empty answer:
>It's not a revolutionary suggestion that the cult got plants
>trying to get some inside tips from critics.
I suggested OSA was confusing identities so they can make critics
behave irrationally. The point being... enough irrational
behavior and the critics would lose.
It makes perfect sense... yet, Mr. Filth (Andreas) can't discuss
it.
Can you guess why Mr. Filth (Andreas) can't discuss it?
;-)
>The idiots believe we are part
>of some silly conspiracy, sponsored
> by AMA and the drug companies.
Now he's resuming identity confusion, per OSA policy.
Referring to his comrades as "idiots" is supposed to "rule out"
the possibility of Mr. Rat Filth (Andreas) being an OSA
operative.
It's the same as him (Andreas) saying, "I'm not an OSA
operative."
Yeah... sure.
;-)
How many fools still believe that?
Here's what a fellow operative had to say about him...
+In Message-ID: <b3uo7c$jpi$1...@news.postech.ac.kr>
+Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 02:12:43 -0500
+OSA as "Lawrence" (stolen name)
+<newsga...@comcast.net> wrote:
+
+>Subject: Andreas Heldal-Lund in Review
+>
+>Andreas looks like he spent the last 9
+>hours rimming a gay cow and woke up
+>feeling sorry for himself. Can auditing
+>help him, I don't know. (SMILE) You
+>tell me! (SMILE)
Can auditing help Mr. Rat Filth (Andreas)?
You tell me.
Mr. Rat Filth (Andreas) continues:
>Of course they have stooges here to reveal
>everything.
If Mr. Filth were not an operative, why would he fail to mention
the many lies his fellow "stooges" tell about identity?
Unless (of course) he were trying to conceal them? :)
>I still don't understand what your point is
He sure can play dumb, can't he!
:-))))
> and from what
>I see you write I doubt even you know.
Under suspicion, how many operatives will literally confess to
being an OSA operative?
ZERO!
You have to read between the lines!
>Except that you believe I am OSA because
>you're not an Internet wizard and got tricked
>by a fake trace.
Anything that leads to his real identity is "fake".
Uh huh... :)
However...
>You have no clue how much that told me about
>you and your location.
Mr. Rat Filth (Andreas) from xenu.net sure wants my location,
doesn't he. ;-)
Looks like he thinks my "fake" trace was actually quite real,
leading directly from his location to mine.
It should be common knowledge by now that OSA always wants to
"locate" its critics to run their usual mind-scrambling,
life-destroying identity confusion up close and personal.
For the curious, here's the trace in question:
+===============================================
+
+Registrant:
+Operation Clambake (XENU3-DOM)
+ v/ Andreas Heldal-Lund Normannsgaten 9
+ N-4013, Stavanger
+ NO
+
+ Domain Name: XENU.NET
+
+ Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
+ Heldal-Lund, Andreas (AH2929) hel...@ONLINE.NO
+ Operation Clambake
+ Aardalsgata 5
+ N-4014 Stavanger
+ n/a
+ n/a
+ NO
+ +47 88 00 66 66
+ Technical Contact:
+ Wouters, Paul (PW659) hostm...@XTDNET.NL
+ Xtended Internet
+ Broekdijk 27
+ Nijmegen
+ Gld
+ 6523 GM
+ NL
+ 31-24-3603919 31-24-3601999
+
+ Record last updated on 20-Jun-2001.
+ Record expires on 21-Oct-2002.
+ Record created on 20-Oct-1997.
+ Database last updated on 15-Apr-2002 04:42:00 EDT.
+
+ Domain servers in listed order:
+
+ NS.XTDNET.NL 193.110.157.2
+ NS1.XTDNET.NL 217.204.22.95
+
+===============================================
+
+IP address: 193.110.157.10
+Host name: xenu.net
+
+Alias:
+hosting2.xtdnet.nl
+
+TraceRoute to 193.110.157.10 [xenu.net]
+
+Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
+4 429 419 347 212.58.255.186 rt0-pos3-0.111ny.bbc.co.uk
+5 662 538 472 212.58.255.138 rt1.111ny.bbc.co.uk
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+18 931 784 885 209.247.10.202 pos9-0.core1.losangeles1.level3.net
+19 775 728 884 12.122.11.225 tbr1-p012801.la2ca.ip.att.net
+20 Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable -
+21 Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable -
+22 Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable -
+23 Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable Destination port unreachable -
+
+Trace aborted.
Now, as you can see, the path to xenu-dot-net starts out on one
side of the Atlantic, but instead of staying there and going to
Norway, it crosses over to New York, then over to Los Angeles, at
which point the trace is blocked.
You have to ask yourself, why does the trace lead to Los Angeles
and why was it blocked?
Answer: Because the server for xenu-DOT-net is located in
Southern California, the precise location of which OSA would
prefer you not know. Why? Because the server is located at OSA
headquarters in Hemet, California.
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Source: a.r.s. &
Ralph Dorian, original editor of Scientology materials
Current e-addresses: <r_do...@nym.alias.net> or
<dor...@nym.alias.net>
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2) Bob Minton being controlled by OSA's confusion of identities
3) OSA's continuing attempts to confuse people about my identity
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My original PGP key (ID: 0x1A7A3ECA) can occasionally
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at Google illegally deletes the key as "spam".
Don't bother searching the groups-DOT-google-DOT-com
archives or on xenu-DOT-net for my writings since these are
both OSA-controlled websites. Search your news server ---
especially on Saturday. In time they will be re-posted to ARS.
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Date: Fri Mar 14 23:13:20 2003 GMT
From: r_do...@nym.alias.net
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redlegion
Ars up with crap/disseminating critics into suspicion/etc. etc. is pretty
sad. Lerma, tory, and andreas all have you pretty well pegged. You're
obviously OSA. I don't think you even have trolls who've posted less than
me confused about your intentions. You may as well give it up, "Dorian".
--
Red Legion
Also known as redzlegion on AIM...
Lawrence
Alright, somebody here thinks they are hip to somebody here, OK. But, this
Dorian is a very interesting poster in any case. It takes real brains to
come up with some of the stories this person comes up with from the angles
that the stories are told from too. This much I know.
--
Katie Scarlett O'Hara...................LAND! It's the only thing worth
fighting for, worth dying for!................Gerald O'Hara (Gone With The
Wind)
Lawrence
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"redlegion" <no...@no.net> wrote in message
news:4fbe6a0d83dcf7c3...@news.teranews.com...
Nico Kadel-Garcia
> Dear Red Legion:
>
> Alright, somebody here thinks they are hip to somebody here, OK. But, this
> Dorian is a very interesting poster in any case. It takes real brains to
> come up with some of the stories this person comes up with from the angles
> that the stories are told from too. This much I know.
> --
> Katie Scarlett O'Hara...................LAND! It's the only thing worth
> fighting for, worth dying for!................Gerald O'Hara (Gone With The
> Wind)
>
True. Dorian does not seem to be a single poster: his styles vary a
*lot*, and his volume is quite high for a single poster. One of his
styles seems to be an assembled list of anti-$cientologist stores, quite
compelling and consistent with reports from public ex-$cientologists,
but those always contain some veering *hook* to discredit critics or so
outlandish and unprovable that simply accepting it at face value leads
you astray into complete and provable nonsense.
These particular Dorian posts are masterpieces of misdirection: by
providing some believable or verifiable material, they slip in these
pieces of not-so-obvious nastiness.
Lawrence
Very observant, but it would seem that fake news is better than real news to
some. I will keep an on the poster and just to read, that's all.
--
Katie Scarlett O'Hara...................LAND! It's the only thing worth
fighting for, worth dying for!................Gerald O'Hara (Gone With The
Wind)
Lawrence
"Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nka...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3E73415...@verizon.net...
Steven Buehler
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It is increasingly becoming my belief that "Ralph Dorian" is
himself "OSA," attempting to neutralize the impact of
Scientology critics by posting confusing and rambling material
in order to make people believe that the true "critics" are just
OSA folks stealing other users' names.
How stupid can one get?
SWB
"Ralph Dorian" <r_do...@nym.alias.net> wrote in message
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Keith Henson
>I think it should be publicly known, Dorian, that your "attempt" at filling
>Ars up with crap/disseminating critics into suspicion/etc. etc. is pretty
>sad. Lerma, tory, and andreas all have you pretty well pegged. You're
>obviously OSA. I don't think you even have trolls who've posted less than
>me confused about your intentions. You may as well give it up, "Dorian".
I don't think "D" is OSA. Reason is that OSA people, sad as they are
when they used to post on a.r.s were more interesting than Dorian.
If Dorian is OSA, then Scn is about at the end of the line.
Keith Henson
redlegion
news:8IadnfhACeS...@comcast.com:
I suppose all I can revert to is a pathetic "He started it" such as with
his slathering ars with reposts of "Andreas the liar" etc., which is
strange considering how much andreas has stuck his neck out to get the
message to so many. Dorian doesn't seem to have a simple reason for being
here...
Not saying it's bad, but it's certainly making me raise my defenses.
Dave Bird
I don not think OSA is above posting rubbish to quite literally
"lower the time", to distract people from useful effort in replying
and to make the newsgroup look filled with childish gibber.
I can quite believe, for example, that Laserclam is OSA.
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Keith Henson
wrote:
>In article<3e75fa18...@news2.lightlink.com>, Keith Henson
><hkhe...@rogers.com> writes:
snip
>>If Dorian is OSA, then Scn is about at the end of the line.
>
> I don not think OSA is above posting rubbish to quite literally
> "lower the time", to distract people from useful effort in replying
> and to make the newsgroup look filled with childish gibber.
>
> I can quite believe, for example, that Laserclam is OSA.
I also think Laserclam is OSA, but I don't think he is human. I think
it is rather likely that Laserclam is a bot of the "Eliza" class that
OSA left running when they pulled the more interesting OSA agents like
wgert and clark bor out.
Keith Henson
Ralph Dorian
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Anyone who buys into this OSA defense is surely stupid
enough to qualify for Scientology.
In Message-ID:
<4fbe6a0d83dcf7c3...@news.teranews.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 02:45:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Identity criminal "Andreas" gives himself (and
xenu.net) away...
OSA, as "Red Legion" wrote:
>I think it should be publicly known, Dorian,
>that your "attempt" at filling Ars up with
>crap/disseminating critics into suspicion/etc.
>etc. is pretty sad.
Only if you trust L. Ron Hubbard or the agents & pawns of Xenu
Scientology.
The troll "Red Legion" is "sad"?
He's giving himself away right there.
>Lerma, tory, and andreas all have you pretty
>well pegged.
Tory and Mr. Rat Filth (Andreas) have passed every OSA test I've
given them.
They're OSA trolls, beyond the slightest glimmer of doubt.
And while Lerma is one of their pawns, he's neither loyal or
logical, mouthing the views of whoever gives him the biggest
reward.
Even OSA operatives sneer at him for that:
+In Message-ID: <3e0f99ee...@news.bway.net>
+Subject: Re: Will the real "Tory" please stand up...
+Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:00:22 GMT
+OSA, as "Diane Richardson" and Pawn Lerma wrote:
+
+Lerma:
+>> Hey LOOK OVER THERE >>>>>>>>!
+
+Diane:
+>As usual, you'll try anything to divert attention away from
+>your abysmal stupidity, Arnie. You claimed your praise
+>of Dorian came *before* Minton's endorsement, but your
+>very own words belie that claim.
+
+Lerma:
+>> You are so old and tired....
+
+Diane:
+>Not old and tired enough to miss your pathetic lies, Lerma.
+
+Lerma:
+>> I hope you get better someday
+
+Diane:
+>You'll never get any better, Lerma. Your suffer from terminal
+>stupidity.
OSA as "Red Legion":
>You're obviously OSA.
The "Red Legion" troll is following OSA policy.
For those who don't already know, it's normal for an undercover
OSA operative to accuse skeptics (like me) of the operative's own
OSA "beingness" and/or "doingness". Their stance is simply, "If
you see through our cover stories, YOU are OSA"... and they're
very determined about enforcing this view.
Want to know for sure?
Scientology's published policy on Usenet talks about overwhelming
"the suppressives" with large numbers of Scientologists. Sound
about right?
Take note that there are over 230 troll names on my OSA list, yet
there's only one person willing to attack them.
Q.E.D.
It's OSA with the overwhelming number, per policy, while I am
just one.
The conclusion is obvious.
:-)
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Current e-addresses: <r_do...@nym.alias.net> or
<dor...@nym.alias.net>
PGP Key ID: 0x1A7A3ECA, in use since Nov-4-1998
On public keyservers, signatures attached to this key attest to:
1) Bob Minton believing he had found a powerful ally
2) Bob Minton being controlled by OSA's confusion of identities
3) OSA's continuing attempts to confuse people about my identity
PGP fingerprint: 222E 252F C976 52F4 B575
CC27 4529 DCC0 1A7A 3ECA
My original PGP key (ID: 0x1A7A3ECA) can occasionally
be found on alt.binaries.scientology if you can find the
message among any OSA fakes, or before an OSA infiltrator
at Google illegally deletes the key as "spam".
Don't bother searching the groups-DOT-google-DOT-com
archives or on xenu-DOT-net for my writings since these are
both OSA-controlled websites. Search your news server ---
especially on Saturday. In time they will be re-posted to ARS.
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Date: Mon Mar 17 00:09:57 2003 GMT
From: r_do...@nym.alias.net
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Ralph Dorian
Q.E.D.
The conclusion is obvious.
:-)
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Date: Mon Mar 17 04:35:09 2003 GMT
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Zinj
says...
I kind of disagree with you. LaserClam has every *once* in a while
slipped out of his seemingly automatic 'reverse processes' mode and
'originated' coherent sentences and concepts. Well, coherent for him
anyway.
Also, any number of times, his word usage seems to imply that, like one
of the wgerts, he's an 'ESL' clam, i.e. not a native english speaker.
Zinj
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