I have been doing some study of testimony/documents signed by DM under penalty of perjury. They contain many lies.
Although my recent posts have not been showing up on here in my profile, including ones about getting non Hubbard writings out of organized scientology, I recently wrote one clearly showing one of the lies he made in a declaration regarding his statement that he was not involved in the early 80s "church" corporate sortout.
I wanted to make this post to give what I think is an important "overview" that just may help some understand why the lies have existed and not changed for decades. To understand this, one needs to understand that the real "power" and "control" in scientology never really changed through the decades and it did not really matter what person, group or organization really seemed to have power from time to time (the GO, CMO, ED Int, Commodore Staff Aides, etc.).
DM and others have seemed very good at hiding the truth behind the real power and control in scientology and has often put attention elsewhere to "show" things have changed concerning the control of scientology,
DM will point out that he took over the GO who "were criminals" and new structures were implemented as part of a reform in scientology. He'll explain how he "saved" scientology in this fashion. Let me give an example: I recently made a posting on ars quoting section 57 of a declaration that David Miscavige made on 15 October 1999 in the case of Wollersheim vs. the Church of Scientology of California. I will quote section 57 again in this posting:
"57. Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 years. Not being experienced in such matters, they retained legal counsel to review the structure of the entire religion. I know the concern was not "gutting CSC" to " avoid Wollersheim," or anybody else for that matter. The history that Wollersheim ignores concerned events of far greater importance than his case. In fact, at the time, I had never even heard of the man. I was not involved in that restructuring, but I am aware of the events that led up to it. I shortly thereafter resigned from church staff for 5 years, as described later in this declaration".
In my previous post, I showed how his statement about not being involved in the corporate restructuring was indeed false and in fact was shown false by the "church's" own website where they proudly said that DM "authored" that corporate sortout. I also happen to know that statement was false as I myself was the one who took the corporate plan for CSI, splitting up the Church of Scientology of California, etc., etc., etc. to DM for approval. (He didn't author it BTW so that too is a lie). They can't seem to keep their lies straight.
I can tell you that many parts of just that section 57 are also false (as are scores of statements contained throughout that declaration and others that he has made under penalty of perjury).
But I want to focus here on just one piece of the above declaration that goes to the very heart of the matter about the real controls of scientology and how nothing really has changed about controls, lies and the like despite the "restructuring" or any other restructuring done in scientology's history.
Let's focus on this part of the above noted section 57:
"Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 years".
If you follow DM's "logic" here, you will assume that the GO had greatly mishandled "church" legal affairs and that the legal affairs (mostly here referring to the corporate structure) were exclusively handled by the GO for some 15 years.
If you follow along with the rest of DM's declaration, you will see him talk about how this new group in the "ecclesiastical hierarchy" took over from the GO and got it right. And now suddenly there is a new and somehow "honest" corporate structure which has, to quote their own website about DM, "given the religion years of sustained growth and stable leadership".
Well, not only are his statements about a new group doing this "sortout" false, as is his statement about the "sortout" not being to hide assets from damages claimants false, but the section I quote above actually does go to the heart of what I consider to be the primary lie of scientology.
In all those "15 years" where the GO was handling legal, including corporate work, the main person in power over the GO was not in fact the Guardian World Wide (Jane Kember) nor was it "The Controller" (MarySue). It was Hubbard himself!
DM, throughout his declarations, positions Hubbard as some how a wonderful person betrayed by the GO. Hubbard, according to DM, was not involved in GO activities and was off the lines during major corporate sortouts.
The facts are very different. Hubbard was deeply involved in all major GO legal actions involving corporate throughout the history of the GO. Not only that, but many horrible abuses some in the GO carried out were under Hubbard's orders. Not only that, but the "damages cases" and other such cases that the GO was mired into defending where not just from things of their own doing. They were trying to defend against real damages in fact caused, not just by the GO, but rather by the standard application of abusive Hubbard policies found throughout scientology.
Yes the GO did many bad things and some in there committed crimes and deserved to go to jail. But the insane policies of Hubbard relating to such things as "fair game", "disconnection", the RPF, penalties, hard selling, etc., etc. were in fact behind many legitimate governmental and private civil actions against the "church".
Hubbard was creating most of the main legal problems, not the GO.
As far as corporate legal goes, as mentioned above, Hubbard himself was deeply involved in major corporate evolutions and scams from the beginning and in fact directed the GO with respect to handlings for same throughout the history of the GO.
This included corporate matters involving RRF and OTC where money was secretly funneled to Hubbard for years and goes right up to and through that actual corporate sortout in 1981-1983.
A few examples from personal history include:
1) Hubbard being the one behind the mid 70s "Greater Churches of Scientology" plan that GO US was following to set up backup corporations for each "church" corporation in the mid 70s. This was so new corporations were ready to start in the event the IRS seized all assets of church corporations in the US via jeopardy assessment. Hubbard wrote then that the real assets of any org were its staff and contacts and not the cash, buildings, etc. so he instructed the GO to get ready with backup corporations that could be funded from financial sources outside of the IRS's reach if needed. (Note: the wildest thing really about "all the IRS problems" through the decades is that most stem, not from GO mishandlings, but from the abusive written or other policies of Hubbard himself including the millions of millions of dollars he insisted constantly inure to his own private benefit). Again, Hubbard was causing the problems, not the GO. And, he was directing the GO to cover them up; 2) You can see documents from earlier ars posts by others seized in the FBI raids on "the church" showing Deputy Guardian USGO's telexes to Hubbard where Hubbard's approval was being gotten on funds to use to purchase the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. CSC (Church of Scientology of California) funds could be used and they would secretly go though a phony front corporation called "Southern Land Development and Leasing Corporation" (SLDLC). Hubbard was not only behind this but his approval was needed on anything major that the GO did involving this. I myself was on the first "SLDLC" mission in Savannah, Georgia where I and a "Commodore Staff Aide" were checking out the Savannah Country Club as a possible location for Flag when the ship came ashore. When that was given up as not practical, Florida was chosen and Hubbard himself had to approve it being Clearwater; 3) After the whole SLDLC/UCF (United Churches of Florida) scam blew up in Clearwater, I wrote a corporate program to stabilize "Flag" in Florida. It was Hubbard himself who wrote to me with his approval of what the program covered and asking me to get "Flag" a consumer's certificate of exemption there so that it could operate and not have to be considered as a business and have to charge sales taxes. I did that and complied to Hubbard; 4) In GOWW, Hubbard constantly had to approve major corporate structures and other legal actions. He had to approve CSC being used as the main corporation in the UK (when it was thought CSC would be tax exempt in the US and that would be a good positioning for the UK); 5) Hubbard's were the orders I had to follow to set up the first WISE corporation in Liechtenstein (which we didn't use as Hubbard did not like the "Limited" in the name as he said that killed the PR for WISE); 6) I had Hubbard's own orders on MCCS where he pushed them to come up with legal solutions to mask his control of the organizations of scientology and gave his own instructions on how to brief the attorneys; 7) Hubbard's own orders were used for the actual corporate sortout missions that put in such things as RTC, CSI, broke up CSC, etc.; 8) Hubbard
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SME wrote: > (Personally, I believe that the constant trouble to get approval of new > management org boards and the like, why it can even take years and why > DM "always has to be the only one who "can do it" is NOT because > other Int staff are stupid or not as "aware" as DM. It's because > it is really complicated as it based on a lie of the real power that > can't even be spoken much less committed to writing there).
Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. It needs to be copied and archived by the many... Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of the Scientology fraud that harms so many. All the very Best to you SME Michael Pattinson OT8, SP7 ;)
SME wrote: > I have been doing some study of testimony/documents signed by DM under > penalty of perjury. They contain many lies.
> Although my recent posts have not been showing up on here in my > profile, including ones about getting non Hubbard writings out of > organized scientology, I recently wrote one clearly showing one of the > lies he made in a declaration regarding his statement that he was not > involved in the early 80s "church" corporate sortout.
> I wanted to make this post to give what I think is an important > "overview" that just may help some understand why the lies have > existed and not changed for decades. To understand this, one needs to > understand that the real "power" and "control" in scientology > never really changed through the decades and it did not really matter > what person, group or organization really seemed to have power from > time to time (the GO, CMO, ED Int, Commodore Staff Aides, etc.).
> DM and others have seemed very good at hiding the truth behind the > real power and control in scientology and has often put attention > elsewhere to "show" things have changed concerning the control of > scientology,
> DM will point out that he took over the GO who "were criminals" and > new structures were implemented as part of a reform in scientology. > He'll explain how he "saved" scientology in this fashion. Let me > give an example: I recently made a posting on ars quoting section 57 of > a declaration that David Miscavige made on 15 October 1999 in the case > of Wollersheim vs. the Church of Scientology of California. I will > quote section 57 again in this posting:
> "57. Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 > years. Not being experienced in such matters, they retained legal > counsel to review the structure of the entire religion. I know the > concern was not "gutting CSC" to " avoid Wollersheim," or anybody else > for that matter. The history that Wollersheim ignores concerned events > of far greater importance than his case. In fact, at the time, I had > never even heard of the man. I was not involved in that restructuring, > but I am aware of the events that led up to it. I shortly thereafter > resigned from church staff for 5 years, as described later in this > declaration".
> In my previous post, I showed how his statement about not being > involved in the corporate restructuring was indeed false and in fact > was shown false by the "church's" own website where they proudly > said that DM "authored" that corporate sortout. I also happen to > know that statement was false as I myself was the one who took the > corporate plan for CSI, splitting up the Church of Scientology of > California, etc., etc., etc. to DM for approval. (He didn't author it > BTW so that too is a lie). They can't seem to keep their lies > straight.
> I can tell you that many parts of just that section 57 are also false > (as are scores of statements contained throughout that declaration and > others that he has made under penalty of perjury).
> But I want to focus here on just one piece of the above declaration > that goes to the very heart of the matter about the real controls of > scientology and how nothing really has changed about controls, lies and > the like despite the "restructuring" or any other restructuring > done in scientology's history.
> Let's focus on this part of the above noted section 57:
> "Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 > years".
> If you follow DM's "logic" here, you will assume that the GO had > greatly mishandled "church" legal affairs and that the legal > affairs (mostly here referring to the corporate structure) were > exclusively handled by the GO for some 15 years.
> If you follow along with the rest of DM's declaration, you will see > him talk about how this new group in the "ecclesiastical hierarchy" > took over from the GO and got it right. And now suddenly there is a new > and somehow "honest" corporate structure which has, to quote their > own website about DM, "given the religion years of sustained growth > and stable leadership".
> Well, not only are his statements about a new group doing this > "sortout" false, as is his statement about the "sortout" not > being to hide assets from damages claimants false, but the section I > quote above actually does go to the heart of what I consider to be the > primary lie of scientology.
> In all those "15 years" where the GO was handling legal, including > corporate work, the main person in power over the GO was not in fact > the Guardian World Wide (Jane Kember) nor was it "The Controller" > (MarySue). It was Hubbard himself!
> DM, throughout his declarations, positions Hubbard as some how a > wonderful person betrayed by the GO. Hubbard, according to DM, was not > involved in GO activities and was off the lines during major corporate > sortouts.
> The facts are very different. Hubbard was deeply involved in all major > GO legal actions involving corporate throughout the history of the GO. > Not only that, but many horrible abuses some in the GO carried out were > under Hubbard's orders. Not only that, but the "damages cases" > and other such cases that the GO was mired into defending where not > just from things of their own doing. They were trying to defend against > real damages in fact caused, not just by the GO, but rather by the > standard application of abusive Hubbard policies found throughout > scientology.
> Yes the GO did many bad things and some in there committed crimes and > deserved to go to jail. But the insane policies of Hubbard relating to > such things as "fair game", "disconnection", the RPF, > penalties, hard selling, etc., etc. were in fact behind many legitimate > governmental and private civil actions against the "church".
> Hubbard was creating most of the main legal problems, not the GO.
> As far as corporate legal goes, as mentioned above, Hubbard himself was > deeply involved in major corporate evolutions and scams from the > beginning and in fact directed the GO with respect to handlings for > same throughout the history of the GO.
> This included corporate matters involving RRF and OTC where money was > secretly funneled to Hubbard for years and goes right up to and through > that actual corporate sortout in 1981-1983.
> A few examples from personal history include:
> 1) Hubbard being the one behind the mid 70s "Greater Churches of > Scientology" plan that GO US was following to set up backup > corporations for each "church" corporation in the mid 70s. This was > so new corporations were ready to start in the event the IRS seized all > assets of church corporations in the US via jeopardy assessment. > Hubbard wrote then that the real assets of any org were its staff and > contacts and not the cash, buildings, etc. so he instructed the GO to > get ready with backup corporations that could be funded from financial > sources outside of the IRS's reach if needed. (Note: the wildest > thing really about "all the IRS problems" through the decades is > that most stem, not from GO mishandlings, but from the abusive written > or other policies of Hubbard himself including the millions of millions > of dollars he insisted constantly inure to his own private benefit). > Again, Hubbard was causing the problems, not the GO. And, he was > directing the GO to cover them up; > 2) You can see documents from earlier ars posts by others seized in the > FBI raids on "the church" showing Deputy Guardian USGO's telexes > to Hubbard where Hubbard's approval was being gotten on funds to use > to purchase the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. CSC (Church of > Scientology of California) funds could be used and they would secretly > go though a phony front corporation called "Southern Land Development > and Leasing Corporation" (SLDLC). Hubbard was not only behind this > but his approval was needed on anything major that the GO did involving > this. I myself was on the first "SLDLC" mission in Savannah, > Georgia where I and a "Commodore Staff Aide" were checking out the > Savannah Country Club as a possible location for Flag when the ship > came ashore. When that was given up as not practical, Florida was > chosen and Hubbard himself had to approve it being Clearwater; > 3) After the whole SLDLC/UCF (United Churches of Florida) scam blew up > in Clearwater, I wrote a corporate program to stabilize "Flag" in > Florida. It was Hubbard himself who wrote to me with his approval of > what the program covered and asking me to get "Flag" a consumer's > certificate of exemption there so that it could operate and not have to > be considered as a business and have to charge sales taxes. I did that > and complied to Hubbard; > 4) In GOWW, Hubbard constantly had to approve major corporate > structures and other legal actions. He had to approve CSC being used as > the main corporation in the UK (when it was thought CSC would be tax > exempt in the US and that
> In my humble opinion the reason why everything was really controlled by > Hubbard, and then DM as taking over for Hubbard, and the reason for all > the abuses and the wiping out of anyone else who had a piece of that > power when Hubbard and then DM felt they were somehow hurting "the > cause" is because scientology, especially the "upper levels", is > Hubbard's personal "case" that he felt had to be "fought and > defended at all times".
> Why must everyone and everything be destroyed or at least stopped that > opposes what Hubbard says about the upper levels (those levels that > cover past and future specifics of "the time track")? Why does the > real power always come back to that central point? Why were there > countless management structures and corporate evolutions to protect and > hide the real power? Why is there "fair game" and great abuses to > deal with anything imagined by the power that attempts to stop this > "one way out"? Why are all others expendable and can SO members be > made to live in squalor and their children not have proper nutrition > and care while Hubbard and top management controlled by him get tens of > millions of dollars? Why does someone "near the top" who utterly > supported him get blown out of the water when their connection to him > seems to create a risk to him? Why does a hugely successful mission > holder running things well independent and not under the control of top > management supervision "have to be destroyed"? Why is it that when > Hubbard's abusive policies cause governmental and/or civil > "attacks" do those abusive policies not change but rather the ones > trying to handle the attacks get "RPFed", declared or otherwise > wiped out for not "handling it"?
> I'll tell you again my opinion of why. It is because it is > Hubbard's "case" and NOT yours. In my opinion the entire, ever > "evolving", power structure (no matter how well hidden corporately > or physically) and policies to enforce it all are nothing but > dramatizations of Hubbard's personal case.
> The manifestations of what seemed to be the real power changed through > new postings, new org boards and/or new corporate structures but the > true power behind it all never really changed.
> The structures "evolved" to mirror how Hubbard himself > "evolved" in his moves to here or there or to what degree he stayed > in contact or was physically or mentally well.
> I don't think you will ever find true and complete "answers" to > questions relating to who had what real powers in the scientology > structure without realizing the above first. It makes all else make > sense. All people who will try to research this later, including > whatever scholars who may do so, will never get the real answers from > looking at "management org board changes" or corporate evolutions > unless they realize where the true power always was. And also, how > everything else changed as Hubbard's own position in space or his > connections with others changed.
> The GO wielded many powers. Sometimes in a very destructive way. But > Jane Kember got her powers via Hubbard's appointment of her and via > MarySue who was connected to Hubbard as CSG and under other title. > (Note: the change of MarySue's title from "Commodare's Staff > Guardian" to "Controller" sure made it look like she and not > Hubbard controlled things huh?). MarySue, Jane and others from the GO > went to jail for crimes they committed. But for one second do you think > Hubbard did not know of this or even order it? You are incorrect if you > think so. Even docs seized by the FBI in the GO raid showed some of his > orders about snow white and so much more. Proving it legally as a > criminal matter with high standards of proof needed in criminal cases, > verses lowers standards of proof accepted in civil cases, is a whole > other thing. Just ask OJ! lol
> When the heat got too close to the real power, for example executives > in the GO being charged for crimes they committed, those below him were > wiped out and his connection to them was "vetted away" or otherwise > denied or hidden "to protect the real source and power". The same > thing, if less dramatically, happened to all others who held high > positions if what they did in any way really compromised Hubbard or how > he felt things must be at that time. Hubbard even let his own wife take > the fall for him.
> ALL power in scientology was fleeting but his own.
> (Personally, I believe that the constant trouble to get approval of new > management org boards and the like, why it can even take years and why > DM "always has to be the only one who "can do it" is NOT because > other Int staff are stupid or not as "aware" as DM. It's because > it is really complicated as it based on a lie of the real power that > can't even be spoken much less committed to writing there).
> On Hubbard's demise, DM is the one who now runs that control and who > now is defending and dramatizing that "case". He may think he has > "that power" now but I personally think what he has now is "that > curse".
> The entire corporate structure is nothing more than a legal > dramatization of that "case" of protecting the power at all costs, > protecting that "one way out" and destroying everything that > opposes it.
> Bottom line, what DM says in his declaration about "changes in > power" from the GO to CMO is meaningless. The real power NEVER > changed. The lies and abuses continue. The only difference is that > Hubbard later died with DM having the reigns and now an even crazier, > more hostile and abusive person holds the purse strings of scientology > where abuses even dwarf those done by ones that came before him.
> Current "church" management has had and will continue to have the > same legal problems as the GO had, as they are based on the same lies > and the same abusive policies. Even after the corporate sortout of > 81/82, money was funneled to Hubbard in fraudulent and deceptive ways > just as bad as in the old RRF/OTC days. All under demands by DM with > threats of such things as strangulation for non compliance. Some of the > people doing that corporate sortout thought it was a new beginning > where lies about control, inurement and the like would discontinue. > Little did they know that nothing would truly change.
> Sorry for the length. I just wanted to say this as all this is what > truly lies behind perhaps more than 100 lies DM has made in court that > are being documented. I feel it explains what is really behind such > lies.
> And, I would like to conclude by saying that I deeply do respect > one's own religious and/or spiritual beliefs and this includes the > right of people who feel they can make spiritual or other gains through > the application of different scientology practices (communicate better, > do better in their own estimation, whatever). If abuses could stop > (which means many policies have to change) I support scientologists, > like anyone else, having the rights to their beliefs. I just don't > happen to be one of those believers and this does not change the points > about secret controls and lies above.
> SME
Thanks much for the wealth of valuable information.
If you see this, and you have time, I'd be interested in any feedback that you might provide re. the below Paulette Cooper documents from April 1976.
Apparently, Hubbard was in Washington, DC at the time, where, as I understand it, these documents originated, and any info that you could provide concerning the handwriting on these documents, the names, code names, the backwards slanting "R," or other items, would be most appreciated.
Michael Pattinson wrote: > Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. > It needs to be copied and archived by the many... > Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of > the Scientology fraud that harms so many. > All the very Best to you SME > Michael Pattinson > OT8, SP7 ;)
Indeed, any PR speech done by scientology PR people contains lies upon lies.
Between the last I read: Berlin number of scientologists present there; German number of scientologists; french PR officer presenting the so-called scientology expansion; same from the US PR guy, french PR person pretending agianst me on rdaio that scientology wasn't employing minors or kids... etc.
Scientology is just trying to hide its past lies though new ones.
And it's not even able to say the same lies at the same moment. Exemple? Number of The way to happiness brochures distributed: french PR says 70 millions while at the same time, TWTH foundation wrote 66 millions.
antisectes wrote: > Michael Pattinson wrote: > > Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. > > It needs to be copied and archived by the many... > > Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of > > the Scientology fraud that harms so many. > > All the very Best to you SME > > Michael Pattinson > > OT8, SP7 ;)
> Indeed, any PR speech done by scientology PR people contains lies upon > lies.
> Between the last I read: Berlin number of scientologists present there; > German number of scientologists; french PR officer presenting the > so-called scientology expansion; same from the US PR guy, french PR > person pretending agianst me on rdaio that scientology wasn't employing > minors or kids... etc.
> Scientology is just trying to hide its past lies though new ones.
> And it's not even able to say the same lies at the same moment. Exemple? > Number of The way to happiness brochures distributed: french PR says 70 > millions while at the same time, TWTH foundation wrote 66 millions.
I wish I could help you but I have no information on this matter.
I know that "A Rush" was a term in fact used in the Guardian's Office for matters of "very high importance".
(I don't remember if that was a term made up by Hubbard or not though. He did write many policies for the GO including how to do the communication routing so that could be one of his terms as well).
I hope someone can help you get to the bottom of this.
> > In my humble opinion the reason why everything was really controlled by > > Hubbard, and then DM as taking over for Hubbard, and the reason for all > > the abuses and the wiping out of anyone else who had a piece of that > > power when Hubbard and then DM felt they were somehow hurting "the > > cause" is because scientology, especially the "upper levels", is > > Hubbard's personal "case" that he felt had to be "fought and > > defended at all times".
> > Why must everyone and everything be destroyed or at least stopped that > > opposes what Hubbard says about the upper levels (those levels that > > cover past and future specifics of "the time track")? Why does the > > real power always come back to that central point? Why were there > > countless management structures and corporate evolutions to protect and > > hide the real power? Why is there "fair game" and great abuses to > > deal with anything imagined by the power that attempts to stop this > > "one way out"? Why are all others expendable and can SO members be > > made to live in squalor and their children not have proper nutrition > > and care while Hubbard and top management controlled by him get tens of > > millions of dollars? Why does someone "near the top" who utterly > > supported him get blown out of the water when their connection to him > > seems to create a risk to him? Why does a hugely successful mission > > holder running things well independent and not under the control of top > > management supervision "have to be destroyed"? Why is it that when > > Hubbard's abusive policies cause governmental and/or civil > > "attacks" do those abusive policies not change but rather the ones > > trying to handle the attacks get "RPFed", declared or otherwise > > wiped out for not "handling it"?
> > I'll tell you again my opinion of why. It is because it is > > Hubbard's "case" and NOT yours. In my opinion the entire, ever > > "evolving", power structure (no matter how well hidden corporately > > or physically) and policies to enforce it all are nothing but > > dramatizations of Hubbard's personal case.
> > The manifestations of what seemed to be the real power changed through > > new postings, new org boards and/or new corporate structures but the > > true power behind it all never really changed.
> > The structures "evolved" to mirror how Hubbard himself > > "evolved" in his moves to here or there or to what degree he stayed > > in contact or was physically or mentally well.
> > I don't think you will ever find true and complete "answers" to > > questions relating to who had what real powers in the scientology > > structure without realizing the above first. It makes all else make > > sense. All people who will try to research this later, including > > whatever scholars who may do so, will never get the real answers from > > looking at "management org board changes" or corporate evolutions > > unless they realize where the true power always was. And also, how > > everything else changed as Hubbard's own position in space or his > > connections with others changed.
> > The GO wielded many powers. Sometimes in a very destructive way. But > > Jane Kember got her powers via Hubbard's appointment of her and via > > MarySue who was connected to Hubbard as CSG and under other title. > > (Note: the change of MarySue's title from "Commodare's Staff > > Guardian" to "Controller" sure made it look like she and not > > Hubbard controlled things huh?). MarySue, Jane and others from the GO > > went to jail for crimes they committed. But for one second do you think > > Hubbard did not know of this or even order it? You are incorrect if you > > think so. Even docs seized by the FBI in the GO raid showed some of his > > orders about snow white and so much more. Proving it legally as a > > criminal matter with high standards of proof needed in criminal cases, > > verses lowers standards of proof accepted in civil cases, is a whole > > other thing. Just ask OJ! lol
> > When the heat got too close to the real power, for example executives > > in the GO being charged for crimes they committed, those below him were > > wiped out and his connection to them was "vetted away" or otherwise > > denied or hidden "to protect the real source and power". The same > > thing, if less dramatically, happened to all others who held high > > positions if what they did in any way really compromised Hubbard or how > > he felt things must be at that time. Hubbard even let his own wife take > > the fall for him.
> > ALL power in scientology was fleeting but his own.
> > (Personally, I believe that the constant trouble to get approval of new > > management org boards and the like, why it can even take years and why > > DM "always has to be the only one who "can do it" is NOT because > > other Int staff are stupid or not as "aware" as DM. It's because > > it is really complicated as it based on a lie of the real power that > > can't even be spoken much less committed to writing there).
> > On Hubbard's demise, DM is the one who now runs that control and who > > now is defending and dramatizing that "case". He may think he has > > "that power" now but I personally think what he has now is "that > > curse".
> > The entire corporate structure is nothing more than a legal > > dramatization of that "case" of protecting the power at all costs, > > protecting that "one way out" and destroying everything that > > opposes it.
> > Bottom line, what DM says in his declaration about "changes in > > power" from the GO to CMO is meaningless. The real power NEVER > > changed. The lies and abuses continue. The only difference is that > > Hubbard later died with DM having the reigns and now an even crazier, > > more hostile and abusive person holds the purse strings of scientology > > where abuses even dwarf those done by ones that came before him.
> > Current "church" management has had and will continue to have the > > same legal problems as the GO had, as they are based on the same lies > > and the same abusive policies. Even after the corporate sortout of > > 81/82, money was funneled to Hubbard in fraudulent and deceptive ways > > just as bad as in the old RRF/OTC days. All under demands by DM with > > threats of such things as strangulation for non compliance. Some of the > > people doing that corporate sortout thought it was a new beginning > > where lies about control, inurement and the like would discontinue. > > Little did they know that nothing would truly change.
> > Sorry for the length. I just wanted to say this as all this is what > > truly lies behind perhaps more than 100 lies DM has made in court that > > are being documented. I feel it explains what is really behind such > > lies.
> > And, I would like to conclude by saying that I deeply do respect > > one's own religious and/or spiritual beliefs and this includes the > > right of people who feel they can make spiritual or other gains through > > the application of different scientology practices (communicate better, > > do better in their own estimation, whatever). If abuses could stop > > (which means many policies have to change) I support scientologists, > > like anyone else, having the rights to their beliefs. I just don't > > happen to be one of those believers and this does not change the points > > about secret controls and lies above.
> > SME
> Thanks much for the wealth of valuable information.
> If you see this, and you have time, I'd be interested in any feedback > that you might provide re. the below Paulette Cooper documents from > April 1976.
> Apparently, Hubbard was in Washington, DC at the time, where, as I > understand it, these documents originated, and any info that you could > provide concerning the handwriting on these documents, the names, code > names, the backwards slanting "R," or other items, would be most > appreciated.
Michael Pattinson wrote: > The lies are Scientology's main product.
> Nobody buys this product, however, except the cult execs themselves.
I disagree. How about the Utah Attorney General? Margarita Lopez, wanna-be politician? Sharron Angle? L.A. Sheriff Leroy Baca? The little starstruck Tampa Bay mayor who Got To Meet Tom Cruise? They have ALL bought the lies.
> One day they will get their self-created self-destruction.
> My opinion is that someone who is currently still "in" will come "out" > and deliver the coup de grace.
> In any case wherever the demise of Scientology comes from it is going > to happen.
> Lies are no foundation for any longevity.
> MP
> antisectes wrote: >> Michael Pattinson wrote: >>> Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. >>> It needs to be copied and archived by the many... >>> Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of >>> the Scientology fraud that harms so many. >>> All the very Best to you SME >>> Michael Pattinson >>> OT8, SP7 ;) >> Indeed, any PR speech done by scientology PR people contains lies upon >> lies.
>> Between the last I read: Berlin number of scientologists present there; >> German number of scientologists; french PR officer presenting the >> so-called scientology expansion; same from the US PR guy, french PR >> person pretending agianst me on rdaio that scientology wasn't employing >> minors or kids... etc.
>> Scientology is just trying to hide its past lies though new ones.
>> And it's not even able to say the same lies at the same moment. Exemple? >> Number of The way to happiness brochures distributed: french PR says 70 >> millions while at the same time, TWTH foundation wrote 66 millions.
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as Scientology." -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
barbz wrote: > Michael Pattinson wrote: > > The lies are Scientology's main product.
> > Nobody buys this product, however, except the cult execs themselves.
> I disagree. How about the Utah Attorney General? > Margarita Lopez, wanna-be politician? > Sharron Angle? > L.A. Sheriff Leroy Baca? > The little starstruck Tampa Bay mayor who Got To Meet Tom Cruise? > They have ALL bought the lies.
Barbz I tend to agree with you, and I wonder how much they (were) paid? ;)
> > One day they will get their self-created self-destruction.
> > My opinion is that someone who is currently still "in" will come "out" > > and deliver the coup de grace.
> > In any case wherever the demise of Scientology comes from it is going > > to happen.
> > Lies are no foundation for any longevity.
> > MP
> > antisectes wrote: > >> Michael Pattinson wrote: > >>> Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. > >>> It needs to be copied and archived by the many... > >>> Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of > >>> the Scientology fraud that harms so many. > >>> All the very Best to you SME > >>> Michael Pattinson > >>> OT8, SP7 ;) > >> Indeed, any PR speech done by scientology PR people contains lies upon > >> lies.
> >> Between the last I read: Berlin number of scientologists present there; > >> German number of scientologists; french PR officer presenting the > >> so-called scientology expansion; same from the US PR guy, french PR > >> person pretending agianst me on rdaio that scientology wasn't employing > >> minors or kids... etc.
> >> Scientology is just trying to hide its past lies though new ones.
> >> And it's not even able to say the same lies at the same moment. Exemple? > >> Number of The way to happiness brochures distributed: french PR says 70 > >> millions while at the same time, TWTH foundation wrote 66 millions.
> "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable > insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as > Scientology." > -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
| > Michael Pattinson wrote: | > > The lies are Scientology's main product. | > > | > > Nobody buys this product, however, except the cult execs themselves. | > | > I disagree. How about the Utah Attorney General? | > Margarita Lopez, wanna-be politician? | > Sharron Angle? | > L.A. Sheriff Leroy Baca? | > The little starstruck Tampa Bay mayor who Got To Meet Tom Cruise? | > They have ALL bought the lies. | > | Barbz I tend to agree with you, and I wonder how much they (were) paid? | ;) | | M
Well at least they didn't make the mistake that me and a couple of other people did which was to actually buy the services!
Good luck in the future Barbz and Mike and best wishes for the new year.
Michael Pattinson wrote: > barbz wrote: >> Michael Pattinson wrote: >>> The lies are Scientology's main product.
>>> Nobody buys this product, however, except the cult execs themselves. >> I disagree. How about the Utah Attorney General? >> Margarita Lopez, wanna-be politician? >> Sharron Angle? >> L.A. Sheriff Leroy Baca? >> The little starstruck Tampa Bay mayor who Got To Meet Tom Cruise? >> They have ALL bought the lies.
> Barbz I tend to agree with you, and I wonder how much they (were) paid? > ;)
> M
All it took for one of these whores was getting to Meet Tom Cruise! Margarita Lopez sold out for campaign donations. I have no idea how you bend a State Attorney General.
>>> One day they will get their self-created self-destruction.
>>> My opinion is that someone who is currently still "in" will come "out" >>> and deliver the coup de grace.
>>> In any case wherever the demise of Scientology comes from it is going >>> to happen.
>>> Lies are no foundation for any longevity.
>>> MP
>>> antisectes wrote: >>>> Michael Pattinson wrote: >>>>> Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. >>>>> It needs to be copied and archived by the many... >>>>> Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of >>>>> the Scientology fraud that harms so many. >>>>> All the very Best to you SME >>>>> Michael Pattinson >>>>> OT8, SP7 ;) >>>> Indeed, any PR speech done by scientology PR people contains lies upon >>>> lies.
>>>> Between the last I read: Berlin number of scientologists present there; >>>> German number of scientologists; french PR officer presenting the >>>> so-called scientology expansion; same from the US PR guy, french PR >>>> person pretending agianst me on rdaio that scientology wasn't employing >>>> minors or kids... etc.
>>>> Scientology is just trying to hide its past lies though new ones.
>>>> And it's not even able to say the same lies at the same moment. Exemple? >>>> Number of The way to happiness brochures distributed: french PR says 70 >>>> millions while at the same time, TWTH foundation wrote 66 millions.
>> "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable >> insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as >> Scientology." >> -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
"Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as Scientology." -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
barbz wrote: > Michael Pattinson wrote: > > barbz wrote: > >> Michael Pattinson wrote: > >>> The lies are Scientology's main product.
> >>> Nobody buys this product, however, except the cult execs themselves. > >> I disagree. How about the Utah Attorney General? > >> Margarita Lopez, wanna-be politician? > >> Sharron Angle? > >> L.A. Sheriff Leroy Baca? > >> The little starstruck Tampa Bay mayor who Got To Meet Tom Cruise? > >> They have ALL bought the lies.
> > Barbz I tend to agree with you, and I wonder how much they (were) paid? > > ;)
> > M
> All it took for one of these whores was getting to Meet Tom Cruise! > Margarita Lopez sold out for campaign donations. I have no idea how you > bend a State Attorney General.
One guess would be OSA blackmailing the oficial. M
> >>> One day they will get their self-created self-destruction.
> >>> My opinion is that someone who is currently still "in" will come "out" > >>> and deliver the coup de grace.
> >>> In any case wherever the demise of Scientology comes from it is going > >>> to happen.
> >>> Lies are no foundation for any longevity.
> >>> MP
> >>> antisectes wrote: > >>>> Michael Pattinson wrote: > >>>>> Thank you very much for this amazing "classic" post. > >>>>> It needs to be copied and archived by the many... > >>>>> Such gems as this are the real treasures of a.r.s and the exposing of > >>>>> the Scientology fraud that harms so many. > >>>>> All the very Best to you SME > >>>>> Michael Pattinson > >>>>> OT8, SP7 ;) > >>>> Indeed, any PR speech done by scientology PR people contains lies upon > >>>> lies.
> >>>> Between the last I read: Berlin number of scientologists present there; > >>>> German number of scientologists; french PR officer presenting the > >>>> so-called scientology expansion; same from the US PR guy, french PR > >>>> person pretending agianst me on rdaio that scientology wasn't employing > >>>> minors or kids... etc.
> >>>> Scientology is just trying to hide its past lies though new ones.
> >>>> And it's not even able to say the same lies at the same moment. Exemple? > >>>> Number of The way to happiness brochures distributed: french PR says 70 > >>>> millions while at the same time, TWTH foundation wrote 66 millions.
> >> "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable > >> insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as > >> Scientology." > >> -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
> "Comparing Scientology to a motorcycle gang is a gross, unpardonable > insult to bikers everywhere. Even at our worst, we are never as bad as > Scientology." > -ex-member, Thunderclouds motorcycle "club"
> > In my humble opinion the reason why everything was really controlled by > > Hubbard, and then DM as taking over for Hubbard, and the reason for all > > the abuses and the wiping out of anyone else who had a piece of that > > power when Hubbard and then DM felt they were somehow hurting "the > > cause" is because scientology, especially the "upper levels", is > > Hubbard's personal "case" that he felt had to be "fought and > > defended at all times".
> > Why must everyone and everything be destroyed or at least stopped that > > opposes what Hubbard says about the upper levels (those levels that > > cover past and future specifics of "the time track")? Why does the > > real power always come back to that central point? Why were there > > countless management structures and corporate evolutions to protect and > > hide the real power? Why is there "fair game" and great abuses to > > deal with anything imagined by the power that attempts to stop this > > "one way out"? Why are all others expendable and can SO members be > > made to live in squalor and their children not have proper nutrition > > and care while Hubbard and top management controlled by him get tens of > > millions of dollars? Why does someone "near the top" who utterly > > supported him get blown out of the water when their connection to him > > seems to create a risk to him? Why does a hugely successful mission > > holder running things well independent and not under the control of top > > management supervision "have to be destroyed"? Why is it that when > > Hubbard's abusive policies cause governmental and/or civil > > "attacks" do those abusive policies not change but rather the ones > > trying to handle the attacks get "RPFed", declared or otherwise > > wiped out for not "handling it"?
> > I'll tell you again my opinion of why. It is because it is > > Hubbard's "case" and NOT yours. In my opinion the entire, ever > > "evolving", power structure (no matter how well hidden corporately > > or physically) and policies to enforce it all are nothing but > > dramatizations of Hubbard's personal case.
> > The manifestations of what seemed to be the real power changed through > > new postings, new org boards and/or new corporate structures but the > > true power behind it all never really changed.
> > The structures "evolved" to mirror how Hubbard himself > > "evolved" in his moves to here or there or to what degree he stayed > > in contact or was physically or mentally well.
> > I don't think you will ever find true and complete "answers" to > > questions relating to who had what real powers in the scientology > > structure without realizing the above first. It makes all else make > > sense. All people who will try to research this later, including > > whatever scholars who may do so, will never get the real answers from > > looking at "management org board changes" or corporate evolutions > > unless they realize where the true power always was. And also, how > > everything else changed as Hubbard's own position in space or his > > connections with others changed.
> > The GO wielded many powers. Sometimes in a very destructive way. But > > Jane Kember got her powers via Hubbard's appointment of her and via > > MarySue who was connected to Hubbard as CSG and under other title. > > (Note: the change of MarySue's title from "Commodare's Staff > > Guardian" to "Controller" sure made it look like she and not > > Hubbard controlled things huh?). MarySue, Jane and others from the GO > > went to jail for crimes they committed. But for one second do you think > > Hubbard did not know of this or even order it? You are incorrect if you > > think so. Even docs seized by the FBI in the GO raid showed some of his > > orders about snow white and so much more. Proving it legally as a > > criminal matter with high standards of proof needed in criminal cases, > > verses lowers standards of proof accepted in civil cases, is a whole > > other thing. Just ask OJ! lol
> > When the heat got too close to the real power, for example executives > > in the GO being charged for crimes they committed, those below him were > > wiped out and his connection to them was "vetted away" or otherwise > > denied or hidden "to protect the real source and power". The same > > thing, if less dramatically, happened to all others who held high > > positions if what they did in any way really compromised Hubbard or how > > he felt things must be at that time. Hubbard even let his own wife take > > the fall for him.
> > ALL power in scientology was fleeting but his own.
> > (Personally, I believe that the constant trouble to get approval of new > > management org boards and the like, why it can even take years and why > > DM "always has to be the only one who "can do it" is NOT because > > other Int staff are stupid or not as "aware" as DM. It's because > > it is really complicated as it based on a lie of the real power that > > can't even be spoken much less committed to writing there).
> > On Hubbard's demise, DM is the one who now runs that control and who > > now is defending and dramatizing that "case". He may think he has > > "that power" now but I personally think what he has now is "that > > curse".
> > The entire corporate structure is nothing more than a legal > > dramatization of that "case" of protecting the power at all costs, > > protecting that "one way out" and destroying everything that > > opposes it.
> > Bottom line, what DM says in his declaration about "changes in > > power" from the GO to CMO is meaningless. The real power NEVER > > changed. The lies and abuses continue. The only difference is that > > Hubbard later died with DM having the reigns and now an even crazier, > > more hostile and abusive person holds the purse strings of scientology > > where abuses even dwarf those done by ones that came before him.
> > Current "church" management has had and will continue to have the > > same legal problems as the GO had, as they are based on the same lies > > and the same abusive policies. Even after the corporate sortout of > > 81/82, money was funneled to Hubbard in fraudulent and deceptive ways > > just as bad as in the old RRF/OTC days. All under demands by DM with > > threats of such things as strangulation for non compliance. Some of the > > people doing that corporate sortout thought it was a new beginning > > where lies about control, inurement and the like would discontinue. > > Little did they know that nothing would truly change.
> > Sorry for the length. I just wanted to say this as all this is what > > truly lies behind perhaps more than 100 lies DM has made in court that > > are being documented. I feel it explains what is really behind such > > lies.
> > And, I would like to conclude by saying that I deeply do respect > > one's own religious and/or spiritual beliefs and this includes the > > right of people who feel they can make spiritual or other gains through > > the application of different scientology practices (communicate better, > > do better in their own estimation, whatever). If abuses could stop > > (which means many policies have to change) I support scientologists, > > like anyone else, having the rights to their beliefs. I just don't > > happen to be one of those believers and this does not change the points > > about secret controls and lies above.
> > SME
> Thanks much for the wealth of valuable information.
> If you see this, and you have time, I'd be interested in any feedback > that you might provide re. the below Paulette Cooper documents from > April 1976.
> Apparently, Hubbard was in Washington, DC at the time, where, as I > understand it, these documents originated, and any info that you could > provide concerning the handwriting on these documents, the names, code > names, the backwards slanting "R," or other items, would be most > appreciated.
Michael Pattinson wrote: > The writing on the tops of the Operation Freakout docs looks very very > much like LRH's. > MP
When was that? Some single event that occurred in the mid 1970s? Wow, wow, wow! My goodness!
Oooooh, everyone should be really scared that a couple of Scientologists engaged in something wrong in the early 1970s. Ooooh. Put up tons of websites everywhere in America to warn about what happened.
Guess what? Nobody cares. This doesn't have anything to do with the incredible job losses America is now suffering, the huge imports coming in, or America's $8 trillion national debt, or the problems with growing drug use, prostitution, crime, violent TV or the Federal Reserve banks printing more free new dollars for themselves each year.
Like that single event of Operation Freakout by a couple of Scientologists in the 1970s is so special?
The American government and its corrupt police have done probably 100,000 Operation Freakouts since the 1970s. Nobody falls for that crap anymore.
People stay away from the person who lies or spreads rumors. People stay away from the person who tries to trick people or who makes nasty statements about others.
Americans are no longer scared to tell on corrupt police. The corruption destroys the person engaging in the corruption. It doesn't affect the good honest person who can just ignore it, laugh it off, and perhaps feel somewhat sorry for the person who engages in the lies and corruption.
> > The writing on the tops of the Operation Freakout docs looks very very > > much like LRH's. > > MP
> When was that? Some single event that occurred in the mid 1970s? Wow, wow, > wow! My goodness!
> Oooooh, everyone should be really scared that a couple of Scientologists > engaged in something wrong in the early 1970s. Ooooh. Put up tons of > websites everywhere in America to warn about what happened.
> Guess what? Nobody cares. This doesn't have anything to do with the incredible > job losses America is now suffering, the huge imports coming in, or America's > $8 trillion national debt, or the problems with growing drug use, prostitution, > crime, violent TV or the Federal Reserve banks printing more free new dollars > for themselves each year.
> Like that single event of Operation Freakout by a couple of Scientologists in > the 1970s is so special?
> The American government and its corrupt police have done probably 100,000 > Operation Freakouts since the 1970s. Nobody falls for that crap anymore.
> People stay away from the person who lies or spreads rumors. People stay away > from the person who tries to trick people or who makes nasty statements about > others.
> Americans are no longer scared to tell on corrupt police. The corruption > destroys the person engaging in the corruption. It doesn't affect the good > honest person who can just ignore it, laugh it off, and perhaps feel somewhat > sorry for the person who engages in the lies and corruption.
> The whole thing has been turned around now.
Yes things have turned around. Today many of the ex Scientologists are speaking out and telling the abuse they suffered over the years in the cult. Many are asking for their money back which should be given with out any recourse.
Ida
""The world is a dangerous place, not becaue of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
> > > Current "church" management has had and will continue to have the > > > same legal problems as the GO had, as they are based on the same lies > > > and the same abusive policies. Even after the corporate sortout of > > > 81/82, money was funneled to Hubbard in fraudulent and deceptive ways > > > just as bad as in the old RRF/OTC days. All under demands by DM with > > > threats of such things as strangulation for non compliance. Some of the > > > people doing that corporate sortout thought it was a new beginning > > > where lies about control, inurement and the like would discontinue. > > > Little did they know that nothing would truly change.
> > > Sorry for the length. I just wanted to say this as all this is what > > > truly lies behind perhaps more than 100 lies DM has made in court that > > > are being documented. I feel it explains what is really behind such > > > lies.
> > > And, I would like to conclude by saying that I deeply do respect > > > one's own religious and/or spiritual beliefs and this includes the > > > right of people who feel they can make spiritual or other gains through > > > the application of different scientology practices (communicate better, > > > do better in their own estimation, whatever). If abuses could stop > > > (which means many policies have to change) I support scientologists, > > > like anyone else, having the rights to their beliefs. I just don't > > > happen to be one of those believers and this does not change the points > > > about secret controls and lies above.
> > > SME
> > Thanks much for the wealth of valuable information.
> > If you see this, and you have time, I'd be interested in any feedback > > that you might provide re. the below Paulette Cooper documents from > > April 1976.
> > Apparently, Hubbard was in Washington, DC at the time, where, as I > > understand it, these documents originated, and any info that you could > > provide concerning the handwriting on these documents, the names, code > > names, the backwards slanting "R," or other items, would be most > > appreciated.
> > The writing on the tops of the Operation Freakout docs looks very very > > much like LRH's. > > MP
> When was that? Some single event that occurred in the mid 1970s? Wow, wow, > wow! My goodness!
> Oooooh, everyone should be really scared that a couple of Scientologists > engaged in something wrong in the early 1970s. Ooooh. Put up tons of > websites everywhere in America to warn about what happened.
> Guess what? Nobody cares. This doesn't have anything to do with the incredible > job losses America is now suffering, the huge imports coming in, or America's > $8 trillion national debt, or the problems with growing drug use, prostitution, > crime, violent TV or the Federal Reserve banks printing more free new dollars > for themselves each year.
> Like that single event of Operation Freakout by a couple of Scientologists in > the 1970s is so special?
> The American government and its corrupt police have done probably 100,000 > Operation Freakouts since the 1970s. Nobody falls for that crap anymore.
> People stay away from the person who lies or spreads rumors. People stay away > from the person who tries to trick people or who makes nasty statements about > others.
> Americans are no longer scared to tell on corrupt police. The corruption > destroys the person engaging in the corruption. It doesn't affect the good > honest person who can just ignore it, laugh it off, and perhaps feel somewhat > sorry for the person who engages in the lies and corruption.
> The whole thing has been turned around now.
Well, that was a nice try. But your desperation is showing.
For starters, there are many other documents, including copies of telexes from the Flagship Apollo, where Hubbard directed the Guardians Office covert Ops activities.
Hubbard had become aware that Paulette Cooper had been in touch with his 2nd ("erased") wife, Sara Northrup. You remember Sara Northrup don't you? L. Ron Hubbard's wife, with whom he had a red headed daughter names Alexis?
Remember? That was the same Sara Northrup who Hubbard had re-named "Sara Komkosadamanov" in his confidential "Intelligence tech" issue, 'Intelligence Actions, Covert Intelligence Data Collection' of December 1969.
Have you read that issue? It's one of many key "Intelligence tech" issues by Hubbard, still studied by Scientology covert operatives to this day.
L. Ron Hubbard's spying and covert attack "Scientology Intelligence tech" is still being applied. (And applied, not only on "outsiders," but also *internally*, on unsuspecting Scientologists.)
Scientology, as carefully crafted by its founder, is a criminal organization. Hubbard even gloated about it publicly in the issue, known as the 'Bolivar' Policy Letter, where he instructs that Scientology is to be run, ruthlessly, and covertly, as a "tight conspiracy."
Looks like you've got yourself a "Dark Guru," fella, and a criminal operation too, one using "Church" as one of its main fronts, or facades, to fool people.
And maybe, instead of lying to people about it, and attempting to cover it up, you should begin to try to correct it. Or are you too frightened to even think about that possibility?
>I have been doing some study of testimony/documents signed by DM under > penalty of perjury. They contain many lies.
> Although my recent posts have not been showing up on here in my > profile, including ones about getting non Hubbard writings out of > organized scientology, I recently wrote one clearly showing one of the > lies he made in a declaration regarding his statement that he was not > involved in the early 80s "church" corporate sortout.
> I wanted to make this post to give what I think is an important > "overview" that just may help some understand why the lies have > existed and not changed for decades. To understand this, one needs to > understand that the real "power" and "control" in scientology > never really changed through the decades and it did not really matter > what person, group or organization really seemed to have power from > time to time (the GO, CMO, ED Int, Commodore Staff Aides, etc.).
> DM and others have seemed very good at hiding the truth behind the > real power and control in scientology and has often put attention > elsewhere to "show" things have changed concerning the control of > scientology,
> DM will point out that he took over the GO who "were criminals" and > new structures were implemented as part of a reform in scientology. > He'll explain how he "saved" scientology in this fashion. Let me > give an example: I recently made a posting on ars quoting section 57 of > a declaration that David Miscavige made on 15 October 1999 in the case > of Wollersheim vs. the Church of Scientology of California. I will > quote section 57 again in this posting:
> "57. Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 > years. Not being experienced in such matters, they retained legal > counsel to review the structure of the entire religion. I know the > concern was not "gutting CSC" to " avoid Wollersheim," or anybody else > for that matter. The history that Wollersheim ignores concerned events > of far greater importance than his case. In fact, at the time, I had > never even heard of the man. I was not involved in that restructuring, > but I am aware of the events that led up to it. I shortly thereafter > resigned from church staff for 5 years, as described later in this > declaration".
> In my previous post, I showed how his statement about not being > involved in the corporate restructuring was indeed false and in fact > was shown false by the "church's" own website where they proudly > said that DM "authored" that corporate sortout. I also happen to > know that statement was false as I myself was the one who took the > corporate plan for CSI, splitting up the Church of Scientology of > California, etc., etc., etc. to DM for approval. (He didn't author it > BTW so that too is a lie). They can't seem to keep their lies > straight.
> I can tell you that many parts of just that section 57 are also false > (as are scores of statements contained throughout that declaration and > others that he has made under penalty of perjury).
> But I want to focus here on just one piece of the above declaration > that goes to the very heart of the matter about the real controls of > scientology and how nothing really has changed about controls, lies and > the like despite the "restructuring" or any other restructuring > done in scientology's history.
> Let's focus on this part of the above noted section 57:
> "Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 > years".
> If you follow DM's "logic" here, you will assume that the GO had > greatly mishandled "church" legal affairs and that the legal > affairs (mostly here referring to the corporate structure) were > exclusively handled by the GO for some 15 years.
> If you follow along with the rest of DM's declaration, you will see > him talk about how this new group in the "ecclesiastical hierarchy" > took over from the GO and got it right. And now suddenly there is a new > and somehow "honest" corporate structure which has, to quote their > own website about DM, "given the religion years of sustained growth > and stable leadership".
> Well, not only are his statements about a new group doing this > "sortout" false, as is his statement about the "sortout" not > being to hide assets from damages claimants false, but the section I > quote above actually does go to the heart of what I consider to be the > primary lie of scientology.
> In all those "15 years" where the GO was handling legal, including > corporate work, the main person in power over the GO was not in fact > the Guardian World Wide (Jane Kember) nor was it "The Controller" > (MarySue). It was Hubbard himself!
> DM, throughout his declarations, positions Hubbard as some how a > wonderful person betrayed by the GO. Hubbard, according to DM, was not > involved in GO activities and was off the lines during major corporate > sortouts.
> The facts are very different. Hubbard was deeply involved in all major > GO legal actions involving corporate throughout the history of the GO. > Not only that, but many horrible abuses some in the GO carried out were > under Hubbard's orders. Not only that, but the "damages cases" > and other such cases that the GO was mired into defending where not > just from things of their own doing. They were trying to defend against > real damages in fact caused, not just by the GO, but rather by the > standard application of abusive Hubbard policies found throughout > scientology.
> Yes the GO did many bad things and some in there committed crimes and > deserved to go to jail. But the insane policies of Hubbard relating to > such things as "fair game", "disconnection", the RPF, > penalties, hard selling, etc., etc. were in fact behind many legitimate > governmental and private civil actions against the "church".
> Hubbard was creating most of the main legal problems, not the GO.
> As far as corporate legal goes, as mentioned above, Hubbard himself was > deeply involved in major corporate evolutions and scams from the > beginning and in fact directed the GO with respect to handlings for > same throughout the history of the GO.
> This included corporate matters involving RRF and OTC where money was > secretly funneled to Hubbard for years and goes right up to and through > that actual corporate sortout in 1981-1983.
> A few examples from personal history include:
> 1) Hubbard being the one behind the mid 70s "Greater Churches of > Scientology" plan that GO US was following to set up backup > corporations for each "church" corporation in the mid 70s. This was > so new corporations were ready to start in the event the IRS seized all > assets of church corporations in the US via jeopardy assessment. > Hubbard wrote then that the real assets of any org were its staff and > contacts and not the cash, buildings, etc. so he instructed the GO to > get ready with backup corporations that could be funded from financial > sources outside of the IRS's reach if needed. (Note: the wildest > thing really about "all the IRS problems" through the decades is > that most stem, not from GO mishandlings, but from the abusive written > or other policies of Hubbard himself including the millions of millions > of dollars he insisted constantly inure to his own private benefit). > Again, Hubbard was causing the problems, not the GO. And, he was > directing the GO to cover them up; > 2) You can see documents from earlier ars posts by others seized in the > FBI raids on "the church" showing Deputy Guardian USGO's telexes > to Hubbard where Hubbard's approval was being gotten on funds to use > to purchase the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. CSC (Church of > Scientology of California) funds could be used and they would secretly > go though a phony front corporation called "Southern Land Development > and Leasing Corporation" (SLDLC). Hubbard was not only behind this > but his approval was needed on anything major that the GO did involving > this. I myself was on the first "SLDLC" mission in Savannah, > Georgia where I and a "Commodore Staff Aide" were checking out the > Savannah Country Club as a possible location for Flag when the ship > came ashore. When that was given up as not practical, Florida was > chosen and Hubbard himself had to approve it being Clearwater; > 3) After the whole SLDLC/UCF (United Churches of Florida) scam blew up > in Clearwater, I wrote a corporate program to stabilize "Flag" in > Florida. It was Hubbard himself who wrote to me with his approval of > what the program covered and asking me to get "Flag" a consumer's > certificate of exemption there so that it could operate and not have to > be considered as a business and have to charge sales taxes. I did that > and complied to Hubbard; > 4) In GOWW, Hubbard constantly had to approve major corporate > structures and other legal actions. He had to approve CSC being used as > the main corporation in the UK (when it was thought CSC would be tax > exempt in the US and that would be a good positioning for the UK); > 5) Hubbard's were the orders I had to follow to set up the first WISE > corporation in Liechtenstein (which we didn't use as Hubbard did
idaj...@aol.com wrote: > Truth wrote: > > Michael Pattinson wrote:
> > > The writing on the tops of the Operation Freakout docs looks very very > > > much like LRH's. > > > MP
> > When was that? Some single event that occurred in the mid 1970s? Wow, wow, > > wow! My goodness!
> > Oooooh, everyone should be really scared that a couple of Scientologists > > engaged in something wrong in the early 1970s. Ooooh. Put up tons of > > websites everywhere in America to warn about what happened.
> > Guess what? Nobody cares. This doesn't have anything to do with the incredible > > job losses America is now suffering, the huge imports coming in, or America's > > $8 trillion national debt, or the problems with growing drug use, prostitution, > > crime, violent TV or the Federal Reserve banks printing more free new dollars > > for themselves each year.
> > Like that single event of Operation Freakout by a couple of Scientologists in > > the 1970s is so special?
> > The American government and its corrupt police have done probably 100,000 > > Operation Freakouts since the 1970s. Nobody falls for that crap anymore.
> > People stay away from the person who lies or spreads rumors. People stay away > > from the person who tries to trick people or who makes nasty statements about > > others.
> > Americans are no longer scared to tell on corrupt police. The corruption > > destroys the person engaging in the corruption. It doesn't affect the good > > honest person who can just ignore it, laugh it off, and perhaps feel somewhat > > sorry for the person who engages in the lies and corruption.
> > The whole thing has been turned around now.
> Yes things have turned around. Today many of the ex Scientologists > are > speaking out and telling the abuse they suffered over the years in the
Ahhh bullshit. Your country of Germany is slowly falling prey to the stupid forces of pagan atheism. Already the German legislature has legalized prostitution. If allowed to, pagan atheism will turn Germany into a crappy Third World country over time, where all young girls become prostitutes, becoming very unhappy, confused and depressed as they grow up because of it. Then, a pagan atheist psychology field in Germany will claim "their depression is a result of some internal chemical imbalance, having nothing to do with the degrading prostitution these girls have been involved in for years".
When a girl does prostitution, she cannot get a boyfriend or husband, and she finds it very hard to have a family. She resolves the problem by stopping the prostitution, and over time she will heal and recover. But prostitution can waste a lot of a woman's time in life, sometimes years or even decades of unhappiness, confusion and depression.
Christianity helps girls avoid these mental problems by promoting chastity, steady one-on-one relationships, and a good family life that reveres honesty, compassion and forgiveness.
SME wrote: > I have been doing some study of testimony/documents signed by DM under > penalty of perjury. They contain many lies.
> Although my recent posts have not been showing up on here in my > profile, including ones about getting non Hubbard writings out of > organized scientology, I recently wrote one clearly showing one of the > lies he made in a declaration regarding his statement that he was not > involved in the early 80s "church" corporate sortout.
> I wanted to make this post to give what I think is an important > "overview" that just may help some understand why the lies have > existed and not changed for decades. To understand this, one needs to > understand that the real "power" and "control" in scientology > never really changed through the decades and it did not really matter > what person, group or organization really seemed to have power from > time to time (the GO, CMO, ED Int, Commodore Staff Aides, etc.).
> DM and others have seemed very good at hiding the truth behind the > real power and control in scientology and has often put attention > elsewhere to "show" things have changed concerning the control of > scientology,
> DM will point out that he took over the GO who "were criminals" and > new structures were implemented as part of a reform in scientology. > He'll explain how he "saved" scientology in this fashion. Let me > give an example: I recently made a posting on ars quoting section 57 of > a declaration that David Miscavige made on 15 October 1999 in the case > of Wollersheim vs. the Church of Scientology of California. I will > quote section 57 again in this posting:
> "57. Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 > years. Not being experienced in such matters, they retained legal > counsel to review the structure of the entire religion. I know the > concern was not "gutting CSC" to " avoid Wollersheim," or anybody else > for that matter. The history that Wollersheim ignores concerned events > of far greater importance than his case. In fact, at the time, I had > never even heard of the man. I was not involved in that restructuring, > but I am aware of the events that led up to it. I shortly thereafter > resigned from church staff for 5 years, as described later in this > declaration".
> In my previous post, I showed how his statement about not being > involved in the corporate restructuring was indeed false and in fact > was shown false by the "church's" own website where they proudly > said that DM "authored" that corporate sortout. I also happen to > know that statement was false as I myself was the one who took the > corporate plan for CSI, splitting up the Church of Scientology of > California, etc., etc., etc. to DM for approval. (He didn't author it > BTW so that too is a lie). They can't seem to keep their lies > straight.
> I can tell you that many parts of just that section 57 are also false > (as are scores of statements contained throughout that declaration and > others that he has made under penalty of perjury).
> But I want to focus here on just one piece of the above declaration > that goes to the very heart of the matter about the real controls of > scientology and how nothing really has changed about controls, lies and > the like despite the "restructuring" or any other restructuring > done in scientology's history.
> Let's focus on this part of the above noted section 57:
> "Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 > years".
> If you follow DM's "logic" here, you will assume that the GO had > greatly mishandled "church" legal affairs and that the legal > affairs (mostly here referring to the corporate structure) were > exclusively handled by the GO for some 15 years.
> If you follow along with the rest of DM's declaration, you will see > him talk about how this new group in the "ecclesiastical hierarchy" > took over from the GO and got it right. And now suddenly there is a new > and somehow "honest" corporate structure which has, to quote their > own website about DM, "given the religion years of sustained growth > and stable leadership".
> Well, not only are his statements about a new group doing this > "sortout" false, as is his statement about the "sortout" not > being to hide assets from damages claimants false, but the section I > quote above actually does go to the heart of what I consider to be the > primary lie of scientology.
> In all those "15 years" where the GO was handling legal, including > corporate work, the main person in power over the GO was not in fact > the Guardian World Wide (Jane Kember) nor was it "The Controller" > (MarySue). It was Hubbard himself!
> DM, throughout his declarations, positions Hubbard as some how a > wonderful person betrayed by the GO. Hubbard, according to DM, was not > involved in GO activities and was off the lines during major corporate > sortouts.
> The facts are very different. Hubbard was deeply involved in all major > GO legal actions involving corporate throughout the history of the GO. > Not only that, but many horrible abuses some in the GO carried out were > under Hubbard's orders. Not only that, but the "damages cases" > and other such cases that the GO was mired into defending where not > just from things of their own doing. They were trying to defend against > real damages in fact caused, not just by the GO, but rather by the > standard application of abusive Hubbard policies found throughout > scientology.
> Yes the GO did many bad things and some in there committed crimes and > deserved to go to jail. But the insane policies of Hubbard relating to > such things as "fair game", "disconnection", the RPF, > penalties, hard selling, etc., etc. were in fact behind many legitimate > governmental and private civil actions against the "church".
> Hubbard was creating most of the main legal problems, not the GO.
> As far as corporate legal goes, as mentioned above, Hubbard himself was > deeply involved in major corporate evolutions and scams from the > beginning and in fact directed the GO with respect to handlings for > same throughout the history of the GO.
> This included corporate matters involving RRF and OTC where money was > secretly funneled to Hubbard for years and goes right up to and through > that actual corporate sortout in 1981-1983.
> A few examples from personal history include:
> 1) Hubbard being the one behind the mid 70s "Greater Churches of > Scientology" plan that GO US was following to set up backup > corporations for each "church" corporation in the mid 70s. This was > so new corporations were ready to start in the event the IRS seized all > assets of church corporations in the US via jeopardy assessment. > Hubbard wrote then that the real assets of any org were its staff and > contacts and not the cash, buildings, etc. so he instructed the GO to > get ready with backup corporations that could be funded from financial > sources outside of the IRS's reach if needed. (Note: the wildest > thing really about "all the IRS problems" through the decades is > that most stem, not from GO mishandlings, but from the abusive written > or other policies of Hubbard himself including the millions of millions > of dollars he insisted constantly inure to his own private benefit). > Again, Hubbard was causing the problems, not the GO. And, he was > directing the GO to cover them up; > 2) You can see documents from earlier ars posts by others seized in the > FBI raids on "the church" showing Deputy Guardian USGO's telexes > to Hubbard where Hubbard's approval was being gotten on funds to use > to purchase the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. CSC (Church of > Scientology of California) funds could be used and they would secretly > go though a phony front corporation called "Southern Land Development > and Leasing Corporation" (SLDLC). Hubbard was not only behind this > but his approval was needed on anything major that the GO did involving > this. I myself was on the first "SLDLC" mission in Savannah, > Georgia where I and a "Commodore Staff Aide" were checking out the > Savannah Country Club as a possible location for Flag when the ship > came ashore. When that was given up as not practical, Florida was > chosen and Hubbard himself had to approve it being Clearwater; > 3) After the whole SLDLC/UCF (United Churches of Florida) scam blew up > in Clearwater, I wrote a corporate program to stabilize "Flag" in > Florida. It was Hubbard himself who wrote to me with his approval of > what the program covered and asking me to get "Flag" a consumer's > certificate of exemption there so that it could operate and not have to > be considered as a business and have to charge sales taxes. I did that > and complied to Hubbard; > 4) In GOWW, Hubbard constantly had to approve major corporate > structures and other legal actions. He had to approve CSC being used as > the main corporation in the UK (when it was thought CSC would be tax > exempt in the US and that would be a good positioning for the UK); > 5) Hubbard's were the orders I had to follow to set up the first WISE > corporation in Liechtenstein (which we didn't use as Hubbard did not > like the "Limited" in the name as he said that killed the PR for > WISE); > 6) I had
SME wrote: > I have been doing some study of testimony/documents signed by DM under > penalty of perjury. They contain many lies.
> Although my recent posts have not been showing up on here in my > profile, including ones about getting non Hubbard writings out of > organized scientology, I recently wrote one clearly showing one of the > lies he made in a declaration regarding his statement that he was not > involved in the early 80s "church" corporate sortout.
This is very enlightening. However, I easily found your original post about nonHub writings, reposted here:
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I can shed some light on the below postings.
>From around early 82 through much of 83 a huge task was undertaken
within "the church" to get all non Hubbard writings out of "church" orgs and missions.
The movement was lead by Hubbard himself and, through him, DM.
The "Policy" used was "Vital Data on Promotion" where Hubbard says there can be no works but his own used. He said that doing so "would end freedom for the planet".
All kinds of investigations and missions were fired to find out how non
Hubbard works had gotten into organized scientology. This included missions to Minshul herself (then in Michigan I believe). The missionaires reported that Minshul herself was disaffected from and wanted nothing more to do with scientology. This was reported to Hubbard who said that the only book of hers that he even saw was "Miracles for Breakfast" but Minshul produced Hubbard's signed approvals for the other books.
All kinds of things were found and that included just how each work was
gotten into an organization.
There were so many non Hubbard works that one copy of each made a pile a couple feet high over a huge "board room sized" desk in Special Unit's conference room. The books included all kinds of things like Minshul's works, "the "Common Sense Management Series". "How to Make Money", etc., etc.
The walls of the Special Unit conference room were filled with charts showing how each work got into the organizations (things like someone agreeing with SMI to purchase an expensive "Mission Starter Package" if
their book could be distributed by Bridge Publications).
Other things were found that "horrified" Hubbard and DM such as the continental liaison offices themselves forwarding the line that DMSMH (the main Dianetics book) was too complicated and so Minshul books should be used to get new people in.
Special Unit did the investigations and then DM and his "Finance Police" and the like took over and starting blowing people out of the water broadly and in a big way. People were declared, "gang bang sec checked", RPFed and the like right up to and including WDC level.
DM in court says Hubbard was off the lines at that time but that was totally false. Special Unit wrote to him weekly and got his orders weekly on this matter and so did other sectors.
This was part of the big power push that also included getting "all non
Hubbard tech" out of missions and orgs and people found pushing "non LRH" things ("de dinging", "power flows", etc) were similarly blown away using declares and many abuses by "the Finance Policy" and others run by CMO.
The spitting on staff on the RPF at Int started in a big way with DM and other goons that felt they had to follow him as part of the above. Hubbard himself wrote asking that they (even the WDC members over SMI, Bridge, etc.) be spit on for their "letting this happen".
"External influence" missions were then fired to all continents where there were orgs to follow up on "the handlings". Abuses became rampant and widespread.
There was a huge push to "get people jailed" for this by DM and it did not even matter if they were "guilty" of anything. DM and Hubbard wanted "heads on pikes" and the Int Finance Policy carried out hundreds
of abuses on all kinds of people, screaming in their faces, gang bang sec checks, etc. trying to find evidence of "crimes" for which they could be jailed.
The entire thing was run by DM, using Hubbard orders he got based on information he was sending to Hubbard.
It was so crazy that Special Unit itself had to jump in on a number of occasions to try to stop harassment actions and stop attempts to get innocent people jailed.
The "excuse" used for all these abuses was that it was being "unreasonable" with squirreling and was "saving scientology". WDC itself put out an issue that praised the Int Finance Police for saving scientology for carrying out actions like the above.
That was total bull. It was the worst on a long, long list of wholesale
human rights abuses. And guess what, it got everything out of missions and orgs for which Hubbard was NOT receiving royalties!
DM says he was in ASI and had nothing to do with this as he was busy in
ASI and he says Hubbard was "off the lines". Both statements are totally false. They ran it! ASI had its own "gang bang sec checks".
DM felt that the new "impregnable" corporate structure made it possible
to take such control and would mask the real controls. He will find himself wrong about that.
Anyway, the above is a summation of the true story of what happened with getting non Hubbard works out of missions and orgs. There are many, many more details to this but the above sums it up.
>Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net wrote: >> Received this by e-mail: >> [START] >> During a brief period in the '70s I attended meetings at a Cos >> center, bought books and considered joining but didn't. I >> recollect that Jonathan Livingston Seagull (ISBN 0-380-01286-3), >> written by Richard Bach was promoted and distributed by CoS >> after it was released in 1970. >I don't know about this particular book, but many Scientology orgs sold >How to Choose Your People by Ruth Minshull and a number of other >self-help and success books by Scientologists. Missions sold pretty >much whatever they wanted. >I don't know about this particular book, but many Scientology orgs sold >How to Choose Your People by Ruth Minshull and a number of other >self-help and success books by Scientologists. Missions sold pretty >much whatever they wanted. This post by Warrior lists many, and says >the practice was prohibited in 1983. >http://warrior.xenu.ca/1997-0725.html _____ >I also promised to get the issue which cancelled the sale of >non-LRH books. I found that too. The issue is WDC ED 133 of 21 >February 1983 (seven months before I said "FUCK YOU, $CIENTOLOGY!!" >and resigned). It is entitled "WITHDRAWAL OF NON LRH BOOKS BEING >SOLD IN ORGS & MISSIONS".
Copies of "How to Choose Your People" sold on Ebay: http://tinyurl.com/uyodg [sale specifics/no bookcover/photo] snip> Winning bid:US $26.00 Ended: Jan-03-07 20:13:50 PST " Large view: http://tinyurl.com/w9c5q Hardcover w/Jacket [1st Edition/1972] http://tinyurl.com/vkgxh Large View: http://tinyurl.com/t9tf2 [tone scale on cover: 0.0[death] to 4.0[enthusiasm]] snip> Between 1968 and 1982, Ruth Minshull's many brilliant books were sold by Scientology Organizations. Her goal was to introduce as many people as possible to Scientology by showing practical applications and giving down-to-earth explanations. After 1982, a decision was made to only sell books by L. Ron Hubbard himself and compilations made by the Organization itself to insure that the Technology was kept pure and unadulterated as possible. This book is no longer considered valid Scientology literature by the Church. Never-the-less, Ruth Minshull will be fondly remembered by many old-timers as their first, practical and easily digestible introduction to Scientology. Ruth Minshull's booklist
includes: What is Scientology?, Efficiency, How to Choose Your People, Miracles for Breakfast, When in Doubt, Communicate, What Every Preclear
Should Know, All the Happiness, and How to Cure the Selfish Destructive
Child. Her non-Scientology related books include: Logic Puzzles, Free Money! How to Win Sweepstakes According to the Judges and The Secrets of Making Layouts for Quick Printing. " "How to Choose Your Trout Mask Replica" [0.0 trout death /to/ 4.0 trout enthusiasm
> I wanted to make this post to give what I think is an important > "overview" that just may help some understand why the lies have > existed and not changed for decades. To understand this, one needs to > understand that the real "power" and "control" in scientology > never really changed through the decades and it did not really matter > what person, group or organization really seemed to have power from > time to time (the GO, CMO, ED Int, Commodore Staff Aides, etc.).
> DM and others have seemed very good at hiding the truth behind the > real power and control in scientology and has often put attention > elsewhere to "show" things have changed concerning the control of > scientology,
> DM will point out that he took over the GO who "were criminals" and > new structures were implemented as part of a reform in scientology. > He'll explain how he "saved" scientology in this fashion. Let me > give an example: I recently made a posting on ars quoting section 57 of > a declaration that David Miscavige made on 15 October 1999 in the case > of Wollersheim vs. the Church of Scientology of California. I will > quote section 57 again in this posting:
> "57. Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the > ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs > which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns > about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was > against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine > the legal affairs that had
I found it too, shortly after I posted this new post.
For about 3 days after the google update (or whatever it was) my newer posts were not showing up when one clicked on my profile. Then suddenly they were.
I'm a relative ars newbie but am guessing this happens once in a while on here.
>I have been doing some study of testimony/documents signed by DM under >penalty of perjury. They contain many lies.
>Although my recent posts have not been showing up on here in my >profile, including ones about getting non Hubbard writings out of >organized scientology, I recently wrote one clearly showing one of the >lies he made in a declaration regarding his statement that he was not >involved in the early 80s "church" corporate sortout.
>I wanted to make this post to give what I think is an important >"overview" that just may help some understand why the lies have >existed and not changed for decades. To understand this, one needs to >understand that the real "power" and "control" in scientology >never really changed through the decades and it did not really matter >what person, group or organization really seemed to have power from >time to time (the GO, CMO, ED Int, Commodore Staff Aides, etc.).
>DM and others have seemed very good at hiding the truth behind the >real power and control in scientology and has often put attention >elsewhere to "show" things have changed concerning the control of >scientology,
>DM will point out that he took over the GO who "were criminals" and >new structures were implemented as part of a reform in scientology. >He'll explain how he "saved" scientology in this fashion. Let me >give an example: I recently made a posting on ars quoting section 57 of >a declaration that David Miscavige made on 15 October 1999 in the case >of Wollersheim vs. the Church of Scientology of California. I will >quote section 57 again in this posting:
>"57. Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the >ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs >which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns >about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was >against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine >the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 >years. Not being experienced in such matters, they retained legal >counsel to review the structure of the entire religion. I know the >concern was not "gutting CSC" to " avoid Wollersheim," or anybody else >for that matter. The history that Wollersheim ignores concerned events >of far greater importance than his case. In fact, at the time, I had >never even heard of the man. I was not involved in that restructuring, >but I am aware of the events that led up to it. I shortly thereafter >resigned from church staff for 5 years, as described later in this >declaration".
>In my previous post, I showed how his statement about not being >involved in the corporate restructuring was indeed false and in fact >was shown false by the "church's" own website where they proudly >said that DM "authored" that corporate sortout. I also happen to >know that statement was false as I myself was the one who took the >corporate plan for CSI, splitting up the Church of Scientology of >California, etc., etc., etc. to DM for approval. (He didn't author it >BTW so that too is a lie). They can't seem to keep their lies >straight.
>I can tell you that many parts of just that section 57 are also false >(as are scores of statements contained throughout that declaration and >others that he has made under penalty of perjury).
>But I want to focus here on just one piece of the above declaration >that goes to the very heart of the matter about the real controls of >scientology and how nothing really has changed about controls, lies and >the like despite the "restructuring" or any other restructuring >done in scientology's history.
>Let's focus on this part of the above noted section 57:
>"Upon the dismantling of the GO, church executives within the >ecclesiastical hierarchy assumed responsibility for the legal affairs >which the GO had mishandled. This era was marked by great concerns >about the religion's future in the aftermath of the GO, and it was >against this backdrop that newly assigned personnel began to examine >the legal affairs that had been the exclusive province of the GO for 15 >years".
>If you follow DM's "logic" here, you will assume that the GO had >greatly mishandled "church" legal affairs and that the legal >affairs (mostly here referring to the corporate structure) were >exclusively handled by the GO for some 15 years.
>If you follow along with the rest of DM's declaration, you will see >him talk about how this new group in the "ecclesiastical hierarchy" >took over from the GO and got it right. And now suddenly there is a new >and somehow "honest" corporate structure which has, to quote their >own website about DM, "given the religion years of sustained growth >and stable leadership".
>Well, not only are his statements about a new group doing this >"sortout" false, as is his statement about the "sortout" not >being to hide assets from damages claimants false, but the section I >quote above actually does go to the heart of what I consider to be the >primary lie of scientology.
>In all those "15 years" where the GO was handling legal, including >corporate work, the main person in power over the GO was not in fact >the Guardian World Wide (Jane Kember) nor was it "The Controller" >(MarySue). It was Hubbard himself!
>DM, throughout his declarations, positions Hubbard as some how a >wonderful person betrayed by the GO. Hubbard, according to DM, was not >involved in GO activities and was off the lines during major corporate >sortouts.
>The facts are very different. Hubbard was deeply involved in all major >GO legal actions involving corporate throughout the history of the GO. >Not only that, but many horrible abuses some in the GO carried out were >under Hubbard's orders. Not only that, but the "damages cases" >and other such cases that the GO was mired into defending where not >just from things of their own doing. They were trying to defend against >real damages in fact caused, not just by the GO, but rather by the >standard application of abusive Hubbard policies found throughout >scientology.
>Yes the GO did many bad things and some in there committed crimes and >deserved to go to jail. But the insane policies of Hubbard relating to >such things as "fair game", "disconnection", the RPF, >penalties, hard selling, etc., etc. were in fact behind many legitimate >governmental and private civil actions against the "church".
>Hubbard was creating most of the main legal problems, not the GO.
>As far as corporate legal goes, as mentioned above, Hubbard himself was >deeply involved in major corporate evolutions and scams from the >beginning and in fact directed the GO with respect to handlings for >same throughout the history of the GO.
>This included corporate matters involving RRF and OTC where money was >secretly funneled to Hubbard for years and goes right up to and through >that actual corporate sortout in 1981-1983.
>A few examples from personal history include:
>1) Hubbard being the one behind the mid 70s "Greater Churches of >Scientology" plan that GO US was following to set up backup >corporations for each "church" corporation in the mid 70s. This was >so new corporations were ready to start in the event the IRS seized all >assets of church corporations in the US via jeopardy assessment. >Hubbard wrote then that the real assets of any org were its staff and >contacts and not the cash, buildings, etc. so he instructed the GO to >get ready with backup corporations that could be funded from financial >sources outside of the IRS's reach if needed. (Note: the wildest >thing really about "all the IRS problems" through the decades is >that most stem, not from GO mishandlings, but from the abusive written >or other policies of Hubbard himself including the millions of millions >of dollars he insisted constantly inure to his own private benefit). >Again, Hubbard was causing the problems, not the GO. And, he was >directing the GO to cover them up; >2) You can see documents from earlier ars posts by others seized in the >FBI raids on "the church" showing Deputy Guardian USGO's telexes >to Hubbard where Hubbard's approval was being gotten on funds to use >to purchase the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. CSC (Church of >Scientology of California) funds could be used and they would secretly >go though a phony front corporation called "Southern Land Development >and Leasing Corporation" (SLDLC). Hubbard was not only behind this >but his approval was needed on anything major that the GO did involving >this. I myself was on the first "SLDLC" mission in Savannah, >Georgia where I and a "Commodore Staff Aide" were checking out the >Savannah Country Club as a possible location for Flag when the ship >came ashore. When that was given up as not practical, Florida was >chosen and Hubbard himself had to approve it being Clearwater; >3) After the whole SLDLC/UCF (United Churches of Florida) scam blew up >in Clearwater, I wrote a corporate program to stabilize "Flag" in >Florida. It was Hubbard himself who wrote to me with his approval of >what the program covered and asking me to get "Flag" a consumer's >certificate of exemption there so that it could operate and not have to >be considered as a business and have to charge sales taxes. I did that >and complied to Hubbard; >4) In GOWW, Hubbard constantly had to approve major corporate >structures and other legal actions. He had to approve CSC being used as >the main corporation in the UK (when it was thought CSC would be tax >exempt in the US and that would be a good positioning for the UK); >5) Hubbard's were the orders I had to follow to set up the first WISE >corporation in Liechtenstein (which we didn't use as Hubbard did not >like the "Limited" in the name as he said that killed the PR for >WISE); >6) I had Hubbard's own orders on MCCS where he pushed them to come up >with legal solutions to mask
> I found it too, shortly after I posted this new post.
> For about 3 days after the google update (or whatever it was) my newer > posts were not showing up when one clicked on my profile. Then suddenly > they were.
> I'm a relative ars newbie but am guessing this happens once in a while > on here.
> Anyway, thank for letting me know:)
No worries; everyone's a newbie at some point, right?
Google isn't the only way to read this newsgroup (although I read it that way) -- folks link to any number of news servers that carry a.r.s.
I am not pretending that I know all about how to do this, though. I feel lucky when La Machine simply boots up. :D
Thanks for making the effort to get out your information!
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 21:39:16 -0800, Truth <tr...@nospam.com> wrote:
>Michael Pattinson wrote:
>> The writing on the tops of the Operation Freakout docs looks very very >> much like LRH's. >> MP
>When was that? Some single event that occurred in the mid 1970s? Wow, wow, >wow! My goodness!
>Oooooh, everyone should be really scared that a couple of Scientologists >engaged in something wrong in the early 1970s. Ooooh. Put up tons of >websites everywhere in America to warn about what happened.
>Guess what? Nobody cares. This doesn't have anything to do with the incredible >job losses America is now suffering, the huge imports coming in, or America's >$8 trillion national debt, or the problems with growing drug use, prostitution, >crime, violent TV or the Federal Reserve banks printing more free new dollars >for themselves each year.
>Like that single event of Operation Freakout by a couple of Scientologists in >the 1970s is so special?
>The American government and its corrupt police have done probably 100,000 >Operation Freakouts since the 1970s. Nobody falls for that crap anymore.
>People stay away from the person who lies or spreads rumors. People stay away >from the person who tries to trick people or who makes nasty statements about >others.
>Americans are no longer scared to tell on corrupt police. The corruption >destroys the person engaging in the corruption. It doesn't affect the good >honest person who can just ignore it, laugh it off, and perhaps feel somewhat >sorry for the person who engages in the lies and corruption.
What separates propaganda from "normal" communication is in ways by which the message attempts to shape opinion or behavior, which are often subtle and insidious among other characteristics. For example, propaganda is often presented in a way that attempts to deliberately evoke a strong emotion, especially by suggesting illogical (or non-intuitive) relationships between concepts or objects (for instance between a “good” car and an attractive woman or a sex symbol). Arnaldo Lerma Lermanet.com Exposing the CON WE COME BACK FOR OUR FRIENDS and FAMILY to get them out while they are still alive!
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speake
If the Borg were to breed with the Ferengi you'd get Scientology!
"Scientologists believe that most human problems can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters" to individuals in the contemporary world, causing spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives of their hosts" [Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion]
29 November 1995 Memorandum Opinion Judge Leonie Brinkema "the Court is now convinced that the primary motivation.. in suing Lerma, ...is to stifle criticism of Scientology in general and to harass its critics. "
What do we get from getting people out of scientology? We create an individual who has become a Houdini of all mind traps.. folks who won't be fooled again. People who can DE-program, People who can spring mental traps..
We create, by freeing someone of scientology, a being who has the ability to break the strongest slave chains of all.
Those forged of lies. (c) Arnaldo Lerma
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities Voltaire (1694 - 1778)
