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sca...@iag.net

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Jul 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/28/97
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Last night, I received a telephone call from a Scientology attorney to
express his displeasure at several events that have occured on the ARS
web group of late:

1. Declarations and a letter bearing my name were posted on ARS, but the
content of the declarations were different than what I signed. Why did I
send the declarations to Margery Wakefield to then post? First, I have
not seen nor spoken to Margery since she left Tampa to be with Bob Penny
in his time of need. Then, this allegation was revised to why I sent the
declarations to Margaret Huffstickler? Again, it wasn't true as I have
no scanner or printer with which to send declarations via the Net. Why
did I post them? Why not? As I've seaid before I met Scientology in Los
Angeles, I'm not going to play the game of "secret, secret, who's got the
secret?" Also, since I understand that one or more of the "Scarff
Declarations" were posted via a remailer, I KNOW who posted them and
again, I will not play into one's sordid venture of Acceptable Truth of
Plausible Deniability.

2. The Scientology Organization is angry at Garry Scarff because as a
matter of joking & flaming others on ARS, he "admits" to being an OSA
agent, a Scientologist and a lieutenant of Ronnie Miscavige. The Church
takes these "jokes" very seriously and believes they can be used to draw
the Church into litigation and I am ordered to stop immediately!! First,
I am a firm supporter of free expression, and if Garry Scarff wants to
joke about being an OSA agent, Garry Scarff will. FUCK ANYBODY in the
Church of Scientology who tries to stomp on my free speech and choice of
humor.

3. Although I have been referred to as a "friend of the truth" and "a
friend of Scientology", I have been ordered to stay away from in, and
barred from entering any org or church building because of the prior
damage that I have caused the Church in past litigation. When I asked
this representative when Garry Scarff would be considered "safe" enough
to enter a Scientology building, he was told "around 30 to 40 to 50
years." So much for forgiveness, huh?

4. Let it be said that Garry Scarff sought to remedy a very unpleasant
situation that has hounded him for years. Agreeing to meet with Elliot
Abelson & Mike Rinder in Los Angeles did not give Scientology the right
to play Garry as a "Good End Product" or a subject of Push-Button-Bingo,
nor is he inclined in his choosing to respect the religious rights of
others, to take bullshit off anybody that attempts to end or dissuade is
freedom of expression, no matter what kind of bent or interpretation you
put on it.

5. I have Scientology friends and non-Scientology friends, but woe to
them should they ever try to impede my constitutional rights. As far as
the admittance that OSA regularly monitors and downloads ARS, feel free,
that is your constitutional right. And the next time you call me at
home, you better well have a better attitude and I will introduce you to
my dial tone!!

Sincerely...Garry Scarff

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Tilman Hausherr

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Jul 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/30/97
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>Last night, I received a telephone call from a Scientology attorney to
>express his displeasure at several events that have occured on the ARS
>web group of late:

You're changing your story yet again. If you want to set the record
straigt, then post what you signed and stop whining. Insert the stuff
posted into an editor and cut what you claim was added.

Warrior

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Jul 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/30/97
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In article <33ec73e6...@news.snafu.de>, til...@berlin.snafu.de says...
The trouble is, who's going to believe anything Scarff says, anyway?

Sun Tzu wrote in _The Art of War_:

"Apparent confusion is a product of good order; apparent cowardice,
of courage; apparent weakness, of strength.
Order or disorder depends on organization; courage or cowardice on
circumstances; strength or weakness on dispositions.
Thus, those skilled at making the enemy move do so by creating a
situation to which he must conform; they entice him with something
he is certain to take...
Therefore a skilled commander seeks victory from the situation
and does not demand it from his subordinates.
He selects his men and they exploit the situation."

Sun Tzu wrote on the "employment of secret agents" that "inside
agents are enemy officials whom we employ. There are those who
are TWO-FACED, CHANGEABLE, AND DECEITFUL, and who are always
sitting on the fence" and "expendable agents are those of our
own spies who are deliberately given fabricated information.
Sometimes I send agents to the enemy to make a covenant of peace
and then I attack."

***

I submit to you that Scarff is an agent of Scientology -- perhaps
unwittingly so, but nevertheless working for Scientology.

Warrior

sca...@iag.net

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Jul 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/30/97
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In article <33ec73e6...@news.snafu.de>,

til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>
> In <8701352...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
> >Last night, I received a telephone call from a Scientology attorney to
> >express his displeasure at several events that have occured on the ARS
> >web group of late:
>
> You're changing your story yet again. If you want to set the record
> straigt, then post what you signed and stop whining. Insert the stuff
> posted into an editor and cut what you claim was added.

>>Nahhh! I come on to this newsgroup Tilly because it's such a kick watching your horde of mindless morons make fools of themselves. You won't be seeing Scarff add anything else constructive on this group. If Scientology wants to leak it, it's their right. To take you or anyone else on this newsgroup seriously would be a serious error of judgement on my part, and as for the OSA people that monitor ARS, I could think of alot more interesting things they can do with their time to produce a good work product that tapping into the ARS Loony Club. (Hint, Hint!!)

Tilman Hausherr

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Jul 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/31/97
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>>>Nahhh! I come on to this newsgroup Tilly because it's such a kick watching your
>horde of mindless morons make fools of themselves. You won't be seeing
>Scarff add anything else constructive on this group. If Scientology wants
>to leak it, it's their right. To take you or anyone else on this newsgroup

I take this as a confirmation that what scientology e-mailed me was
accurate, and that you were "just joking" when you said it wasn't.

And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.

sca...@iag.net

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Jul 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/31/97
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In article <33fa3311...@news.snafu.de>,

>>> Oh you mean like this? >>>>>>><<<<<<<

Garry Scarff

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in article
<33ec73e6...@news.snafu.de>...


> In <8701352...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
> >Last night, I received a telephone call from a Scientology attorney to
> >express his displeasure at several events that have occured on the ARS
> >web group of late:
>
> You're changing your story yet again. If you want to set the record
> straigt, then post what you signed and stop whining. Insert the stuff
> posted into an editor and cut what you claim was added.
>
>

> Do something constructive Tilly and go fuck yourself or do you need an
instruction manual for that too? Scarff doesn't change storys nor does he
whine, but he does get a big kick out of watching sick morons like you
spend so much time talking about! Thank you, thank you!!


Dave Touretzky

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <01bc9f00$02525da0$44e0a1cd@scaarf>,
Garry Scarff <Sca...@iag.net> wrote:
> Scarff doesn't change storys nor does he whine, but ... [snip]

Has anyone ever seen Garry Scarff and Bob Dole together in the same room?

-- Dave Touretzky, KoX (SP4++++++): Dave Touretzky doesn't refer to himself
in the third person.


Zane Thomas

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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Garry,

>Do something constructive Tilly and go fuck yourself or do you need an
>instruction manual for that too?

Bwaaahahaa! Remember a message I posted earlier, responding to one
wherein you blathered about me likely responding with a string of
obscenities? You know, the one where I suggested you word-clear
pot-kettle-blackitis? ROFLMAO, what a maroon!


>Scarff doesn't change storys ...

Oh really? Well what about that post where you said that OSA had "the
goods" on me, hmmm Garry? I notice that you've been unable to wiggle
out of that whopper. Uhm, so I guess in a sense (in the instant case)
you're partially right, you didn't change your "story" you simply
failed to retract an obvious lie.

William Barwell

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <01bc9f00$02525da0$44e0a1cd@scaarf>,
Garry Scarff <Sca...@iag.net> wrote:
>
>
>Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in article
><33ec73e6...@news.snafu.de>...
>> In <8701352...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>>
>> >Last night, I received a telephone call from a Scientology attorney to
>> >express his displeasure at several events that have occured on the ARS
>> >web group of late:
>>
>> You're changing your story yet again. If you want to set the record
>> straigt, then post what you signed and stop whining. Insert the stuff
>> posted into an editor and cut what you claim was added.
>>
>>
>> Do something constructive Tilly and go fuck yourself or do you need an
>instruction manual for that too? Scarff doesn't change storys nor does he
>whine, but he does get a big kick out of watching sick morons like you
>spend so much time talking about! Thank you, thank you!!
>

All you do is whine, Scarff.

Nobody cares much anymore. All Scientology has to do is buy you off and
you are selling. Then you are one less embarressment for 'em.

Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!


Michael Reuss

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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>sca...@iag.net wrote:

>Last night, I received a telephone call from a Scientology attorney to
>express his displeasure at several events that have occured on the ARS
>web group of late:

...[snip]...

>woe to them should they ever try to impede my constitutional rights. As far as
>the admittance that OSA regularly monitors and downloads ARS, feel free,
>that is your constitutional right. And the next time you call me at
>home, you better well have a better attitude and I will introduce you to
>my dial tone!!

Shit Garry, what did you expect? You made a Faustian bargain. They think
they've bought you off, and here you are on a.r.s embarrassing them. Of
course they're gonna rag all over you. They'll crap on anybody who gets
in their way. That's the message a.r.s teaches. Now if you'll only start
to learn...

Anyway, it's better that you find out early. Now the only question is,
where do you go from here?

--
Michael Reuss (remove nospam from address to reply by e-mail)
Honorary Kid

sca...@iag.net

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <5rukjt$a07$1...@mistletoe.srv.cs.cmu.edu>,

d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky) wrote:
>
> In article <01bc9f00$02525da0$44e0a1cd@scaarf>,
> Garry Scarff <Sca...@iag.net> wrote:
> > Scarff doesn't change storys nor does he whine, but ... [snip]
>
> Has anyone ever seen Garry Scarff and Bob Dole together in the same room?
>
> -- Dave Touretzky, KoX (SP4++++++): Dave Touretzky doesn't refer to himself
> in the third person.

>> Ohh, that really hurts Dave, and I worked on Clinton's Re-Election Campaign.

sca...@iag.net

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <33e7c15a...@snews.zippo.com>,
zane@die_spammers.mabry.com (Zane Thomas) wrote:
>
> Garry,

>
> >Do something constructive Tilly and go fuck yourself or do you need an
> >instruction manual for that too?
>
> Bwaaahahaa! Remember a message I posted earlier, responding to one
> wherein you blathered about me likely responding with a string of
> obscenities? You know, the one where I suggested you word-clear
> pot-kettle-blackitis? ROFLMAO, what a maroon!
>
> >Scarff doesn't change storys ...
>
> Oh really? Well what about that post where you said that OSA had "the
> goods" on me, hmmm Garry? I notice that you've been unable to wiggle
> out of that whopper. Uhm, so I guess in a sense (in the instant case)
> you're partially right, you didn't change your "story" you simply
> failed to retract an obvious lie.

>>Ah, my dear Watson! There's a time & place for everything...no wiggling or retrating here. I just love watching you wiggle and whine!

sca...@iag.net

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <33fa3311...@news.snafu.de>,
til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>
> In <8703190...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
> >>>Nahhh! I come on to this newsgroup Tilly because it's such a kick watching your
> >horde of mindless morons make fools of themselves. You won't be seeing
> >Scarff add anything else constructive on this group. If Scientology wants
> >to leak it, it's their right. To take you or anyone else on this newsgroup
>
> I take this as a confirmation that what scientology e-mailed me was
> accurate, and that you were "just joking" when you said it wasn't.
>
> And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
> quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.

>>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Zane Thomas

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sca...@iag.net,

>> >Scarff doesn't change storys ...
>>
>> Oh really? Well what about that post where you said that OSA had "the
>> goods" on me, hmmm Garry? I notice that you've been unable to wiggle
>> out of that whopper. Uhm, so I guess in a sense (in the instant case)
>> you're partially right, you didn't change your "story" you simply
>> failed to retract an obvious lie.
>

[usual retardo quoting mistake fixed]


>Ah, my dear Watson! There's a time & place for everything...no wiggling
>or retrating here. I just love watching you wiggle and whine!

Roflmao, you're a lying sack-o-shite and everyone knows it. Shot
yourself in the foot over and over again.

Have a short life.

Garry Scarffs

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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Garry Scarff <sca...@iag.net> wrote:

>
> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>>
>> I take this as a confirmation that what scientology e-mailed me was
>> accurate, and that you were "just joking" when you said it wasn't.
>>
>> And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
>> quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.
>
> >>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Garry Scarff continues to show what an unparallelled ASSHOLE he is.
Don't expect Scarff to exhibit any maturity any time soon. Scientology
has infected his brain. Scarff has the maturity of a 13-year old,
pre-adolescent, hormone-raging, phallus-raising, cock-driven fairy.
He is truly a sick individual whose motives are known only to himself
and Scientology's Office of Special Affairs and attorneys.

Mike Render

Mike Rinnder

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <8705569...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net says...

>
> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>>
>> And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
>> quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.
>
> >>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Scarff is a sicko with the mental maturity of a 13-year old on demerol
and valium; pay no attention to him. He is just a mixed-up casualty of
Scientology.

Mike Rinnder

sca...@iag.net

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In article <5s0efd$8...@drn.zippo.com>,

Garry Scarffs <si...@hell-home.net> wrote:
>
> Garry Scarff <sca...@iag.net> wrote:
> >
> > til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
> >>
> >> I take this as a confirmation that what scientology e-mailed me was
> >> accurate, and that you were "just joking" when you said it wasn't.
> >>
> >> And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
> >> quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.
> >
> > >>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Garry Scarff continues to show what an unparallelled ASSHOLE he is.
> Don't expect Scarff to exhibit any maturity any time soon. Scientology
> has infected his brain. Scarff has the maturity of a 13-year old,
> pre-adolescent, hormone-raging, phallus-raising, cock-driven fairy.
> He is truly a sick individual whose motives are known only to himself
> and Scientology's Office of Special Affairs and attorneys.
>
> Mike Render

>>YOU'RE A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR ARS. POSTING UNDER ANONYMOUS E-ADDRESS. COWARD!!

Lieman Spurnlock

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Aug 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/2/97
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In article <5s0s6a$2...@drn.zippo.com>, Garry says...

>
>In article <8705569...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net says...
>>
>> til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>>>
>>> And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
>>> quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>Scarff is a sicko with the mental maturity of a 13-year old on demerol
>and valium; pay no attention to him. He is just a mixed-up casualty of
>Scientology.
>
>Mike Rinnder

SSeconded.

Lieman Spurlock <si...@hell-hole.org>

Tilman Hausherr

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Aug 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/3/97
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In <8705569...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:

>>>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No. You should not start your texts with ">". This is for quoting. The
best way to write is like in a letter. Start from the left, and don't
try to "be special" in your layout.


--- Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4]
til...@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos

Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails.

Warrin' McShame

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Aug 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/3/97
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In article <5s106b$k...@drn.zippo.com>, Lieman says...

Tirded...err, I mean Thirded!

Warrin' McShame

Garry Scarffs

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In article <8705836...@dejanews.com>, ba...@bag.net says...
>
>In article <5s0efd$8...@drn.zippo.com>,
> Garry Scarffs <scarff...@hell-home.net> wrote:

>>
>> Garry Scarff <ba...@bag.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I take this as a confirmation that what scientology e-mailed me was
>> >> accurate, and that you were "just joking" when you said it wasn't.
>> >>
>> >> And stop beginning your lines with ">>", because this means you are
>> >> quoting something from someone two reply levels ago.
>> >
>> > >>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > (said Scarff in his best juvenile voice)

>>
>> Garry Scarff continues to show what an unparallelled ASSHOLE he is.
>> Don't expect Scarff to exhibit any maturity any time soon. Scientology
>> has infected his brain. Scarff has the maturity of a 13-year old,
>> pre-adolescent, hormone-raging, phallus-raising, cock-driven fairy.
>> He is truly a sick individual whose motives are known only to himself
>> and Scientology's Office of Special Affairs and attorneys.
>>
>> Mike Render
>
> SSeconded!!!
>
> Lieman Spurnlock

I'M A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR ARS. A POSTING, LYING, SCUM-FACED COWARD!!
I ADMIT I AM A LYING TRAITOR, NOT TO BE TRUSTED.

Frank Copeland

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Tilman Hausherr <til...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote:
>In <8705569...@dejanews.com>, sca...@iag.net wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>Is this better, Tilly?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>No. You should not start your texts with ">". This is for quoting. The
>best way to write is like in a letter. Start from the left, and don't
>try to "be special" in your layout.

Tilman, he *knows*. He's been told it often enough. He's doing it now
*because* it annoys people.

Plonk him, you'll never regret it.

- --
Home Page: <URL:http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fjc/>
Not the Scientology Home Page: <URL:http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/>

Keep it in Usenet. E-mail replies and 'courtesy' copies are not welcome.
If you're selling, I ain't buying.

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Bev

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Aug 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/3/97
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<Snip everything!!>

This stuff is pointless. There has been enough hurt.

Beverly

Steven 'GoofY' de Brouwer

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Aug 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/4/97
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In alt.religion.scientology, Warrin' McShame <war...@hell-hole.org> wrote:

> >>Scarff is a sicko with the mental maturity of a 13-year old on demerol
> >>and valium; pay no attention to him. He is just a mixed-up casualty of
> >>Scientology.

> > SSeconded.
> Tirded...err, I mean Thirded!
And so fourth...

Now can we finally get this Scarff back in some killfiles?

Koos, meet Scarff. Scarff, meet Koos.

*Plonk*

Kind regards cq. De groeten,

GoofY
-- SpamInfo at http://www.stack.nl/~goofy/Spam
A world that's far away,
where life is not unkind,
the movie in my mind...


Morten Welinder

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sca...@iag.net writes:

>>>YOU'RE A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR ARS. POSTING UNDER ANONYMOUS E-ADDRESS. COWARD!!

(Yep, that's what he writes -- complete with extra >s and all caps.)

*Plonk*

Morten

Jigsaw6452

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Aug 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/4/97
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In article <8705836...@dejanews.com>
sca...@iag.net wrote:

>
>In article <5s0efd$8...@drn.zippo.com>,
> Garry Scarffs <si...@hell-home.net> wrote:


(snip)


>>
>> Mike Render


>
>>>YOU'RE A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR ARS. POSTING UNDER ANONYMOUS E-ADDRESS.
>COWARD!!


So I'm no longer the only person on ARS who is an anonymous coward? Hip,
hip, hooray! BIG WIN! ;-)

Sue
--
Who is Xemu?
To find out more, download the Xemu Leaflet
http://home.sn.no/~aheldall/leaflet


sca...@iag.net

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Aug 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/4/97
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In article <Xenu.030897.0902@ARSCC>,

>>>People please!!!! You may hate my guts and would party over my being run down by a semi, but compare me to Koos? Pllleeeaaasseee!!!!

Jens Tingleff

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In article <33E49D...@iag.net>, Bev <dbj...@iag.net> wrote:

> <Snip everything!!>
>
> This stuff is pointless. There has been enough hurt.
>

Seconded.

Jens

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Matt Ouimette

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Aug 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM8/8/97
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Zane Thomas wrote:
>
> sca...@iag.net,
>
> >> >Scarff doesn't change storys ...

Has Garry been taking lessons from Bob Dole? This referring to himself
in the third person is not only lame, it's not even original. :)

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