If only the tech was not a fraud
Genesis
his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
Lisa McPherson would be alive.
Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
The many people listed at -why are they dead-- would be
alive if the tech worked.
If the tech worked, these people would be alive.
If the tech worked, there would not be people in
financial ruin.
If the tech worked, marriages would not end in
divorce. Look at tom cruise as an example of
the tech not working.
If the tech worked there would be no need to
disconnect, as the gains would be so evident
no one would be able to refute them, but instead
you have sad stories like Ida, and her son disconnecting
and hundreds of families split apart, causing so much
undue hardship.
If the tech worked, the cult would not be in court
trying to ruin people, Gerry and Keith as examples.
If the tech worked, hell, if the cult agreed with its own
creed, people would be much happier, because they
would have the freedom of opinion, and the freedom
of communication, and the cult would not be worried,
if the tech did in fact work.
But the tech does not work.
And as a result, people lose there jobs, lose their spouse,
lose there family, lose there friends, and way to many
people lose their lives.
Jeremy lost his life. What kind of life will he have now.
Will he ever be able to deal with what he done ?
I doubt it.
If the tech worked, there would not be newspaper
articles like this one, and many in the past.
If the tech worked, this newsgroup would not exist.
The cult corners it self, because
the tech does NOT work.
Genesis
--true awareness is only enjoyed by a few--
Ball of Fluff
"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
> his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
> Lisa McPherson would be alive.
CofS did not apply "the tech" to Lisa McPherson.
> Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
Why? Were they on an anti cancer rundown then died? (There is no anti cancer
rundown)
> The many people listed at -why are they dead-- would be
> alive if the tech worked.
Nope. It does not guarantee eternal life.
C
Genesis
"Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
>
> "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
>
> So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
Are you just pretending to be stupid.
If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
Flags own promo piece states they can handle a psychotic.
Of course I bet flag doesn't promote that anymore.
>
> > his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
> > Lisa McPherson would be alive.
>
> CofS did not apply "the tech" to Lisa McPherson.
Again the mecca of perfection which states it can handle
any case, could not handle Lisa. She died in their care.
>
> > Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
>
> Why? Were they on an anti cancer rundown then died? (There is no anti
cancer
> rundown)
Again are you being stupid or are you really stupid.
You didn't read in the various books lrh states all
these kind of ills can be handled with the sick tech.
>
>
> > The many people listed at -why are they dead-- would be
> > alive if the tech worked.
>
> Nope. It does not guarantee eternal life.
Wow, did you have a short circuit in you brain cells today.
Whos talking eternal life. Many people died because they
bought into the bullshit, that they done something to pull
whatever illness in and by applying the tech, they will handle it.
Please be a little more intelligent in your future posts.
Genesis
--true awareness is only enjoyed by a few--
and obviously not you C
> C
>
>
Rev Norle Enturbulata
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| "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
|
| So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
Please show us all where in the hell there's an iota of free will in
Scientology.
--
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
* " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Scientology...is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion."
* - L. Ron Hubbard's "Creation of Human Ability" p251
*
* "This volume probably contains more promises and less evidence per page
than has any publication since the invention of printing."
* - Review of "Dianetics", Scientific American, 1951
*
* "Better than 90 percent of what my father has written about himself is
untrue."
* - Ron deWolf, son of L. Ron Hubbard
Spacetraveler
You have misinterpreted what the tech is about... Not a very good post
this. And why do you defend creeps like Gerry, simply an ordinary thief and
liar. I expected something better from you than this...
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >
> > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
> >
> > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
>
> Are you just pretending to be stupid.
> If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
Stupid, tech can only do that much... Tech is just tech, it depends on
people and their expertise, intention, the receivers intend, understanding
etc, etc...
> Flags own promo piece states they can handle a psychotic.
> Of course I bet flag doesn't promote that anymore.
Who cares about promo? Promo is just.... well promo... and then what promo,
when...
>
> >
> > > his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
> > > Lisa McPherson would be alive.
> >
> > CofS did not apply "the tech" to Lisa McPherson.
>
> Again the mecca of perfection which states it can handle
> any case, could not handle Lisa. She died in their care.
It was not the tech that did that, it was people's negligence.
> >
> > > Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
> >
> > Why? Were they on an anti cancer rundown then died? (There is no anti
> cancer
> > rundown)
>
> Again are you being stupid or are you really stupid.
> You didn't read in the various books lrh states all
> these kind of ills can be handled with the sick tech.
It says can be handled... Don't change it into something it is not.
> >
> >
> > > The many people listed at -why are they dead-- would be
> > > alive if the tech worked.
> >
> > Nope. It does not guarantee eternal life.
>
> Wow, did you have a short circuit in you brain cells today.
> Whos talking eternal life. Many people died because they
> bought into the bullshit, that they done something to pull
> whatever illness in and by applying the tech, they will handle it.
Obviously it has not been applied then, wouldn't you say.
Still this is not a very intelligent approach from your side. Per your
definition as you display NOTHING will work. Any idea how many people die in
hospitals because of all these things you claim in above. Yeah those
doctor's they must be sectmembers, getting money for those who manifacture
drugs (medicine). Same thing.
The tech does not make any promise anywhere. All it says that it has been
worked on, and that is has the potential to give certain results. It has
capabilities, it is by no means a panacea of some kind.
Spacetraveler
The Notifier
News today
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056567.asp
Spacetravler and his killer cult.
Spacetraveler
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>
> "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> |
> | "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> | > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
> |
> | So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
>
> Please show us all where in the hell there's an iota of free will in
> Scientology.
All over the place, but those who are not free themselves naturally will
deny that... as first they will have to break down their personal cage. Not
that they are aware that they are trapped in one...
Spacetraveler
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| >
| > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
| > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > >
| > > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
| > >
| > > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
| >
| > Are you just pretending to be stupid.
| > If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
|
| Stupid, tech can only do that much... Tech is just tech, it depends on
| people and their expertise, intention, the receivers intend, understanding
| etc, etc...
So by that logic all Scientologists including the so-called "upper levels"
are morons, including yourself. You don't seem to be able to "make it work"
either. Tsk!
Rev Norle Enturbulata
|
| "Rev Norle Enturbulata" <not-ert...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote in
| message news:41fd9095$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
| >
| > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
| > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > |
| > | "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > | > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
| > |
| > | So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
| >
| > Please show us all where in the hell there's an iota of free will in
| > Scientology.
|
| All over the place, but those who are not free themselves naturally will
| deny that... as first they will have to break down their personal cage.
Not
| that they are aware that they are trapped in one...
Which is not an answer to the question. But nobody's surprised, clam-bot.
Your "personal cage" is called Scientology, which explains most of your
so-called "behavior".
Ball of Fluff
Genesis wrote:
> "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >
> > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
> >
> > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
>
> Are you just pretending to be stupid.
Oh can the insults. Adults can discuss things without freaking out, so
try that.
> If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
Nope. Not necessarily. In any therapy, whether it be non Scn,
psychiatric, whatever, even if it's a very good therapy or a somewhat
good therapy or anything at all- even going to the gym- anything at
all- there's always a YMMV aspect and there's always the vagaries
arising from free will.
> Flags own promo piece states they can handle a psychotic.
Hubbard indicated that the church should not. That it's too hard, too
high maintenance.
Also, I may point out that "can" doesn't mean "always will".
In any event, LRH said not to take on psychotics.
> Of course I bet flag doesn't promote that anymore.
They really shouldn't.
>
> >
> > > his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
> > > Lisa McPherson would be alive.
> >
> > CofS did not apply "the tech" to Lisa McPherson.
>
> Again the mecca of perfection which states it can handle
> any case, could not handle Lisa. She died in their care.
Yes, she did and they were criminally negligent.
> >
> > > Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
> >
> > Why? Were they on an anti cancer rundown then died? (There is no
anti
> cancer
> > rundown)
>
> Again are you being stupid or are you really stupid.
Yeah, whatever. Looking in the mirror when you wrote that?
> You didn't read in the various books lrh states all
> these kind of ills can be handled with the sick tech.
Yes, I have read them.
He makes no guarantees. He also requires people to get full physicals
and to see MDs when they are ill.
Requires, not suggests.
> > > The many people listed at -why are they dead-- would be
> > > alive if the tech worked.
> >
> > Nope. It does not guarantee eternal life.
>
> Wow, did you have a short circuit in you brain cells today.
Did *you*?
> Whos talking eternal life.
You are the one who mentioned death.
> Many people died because they
> bought into the bullshit, that they done something to pull
> whatever illness in and by applying the tech, they will handle it.
Tech doesn't guarantee such and ill students and pcs are REQUIRED to
get MEDICAL care.
That's in writing.
Yes, CofS doesn't always follow it, but if YOU want to talk about
what's in SCIENTOLOGY and not just in CofS practice, then the above is
quite relevant.
>
> Please be a little more intelligent in your future posts.
Feel free to take your own advice.
It's worth about what I paid for it, that's for sure.
C
Rev Norle Enturbulata
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|
| Genesis wrote:
| > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
| > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > >
| > > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
| > >
| > > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
| >
| > Are you just pretending to be stupid.
|
| Oh can the insults. Adults can discuss things without freaking out, so
| try that.
So you're not pretending to be stupid then?
Lermanet.com
<genes...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
>his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056567.asp
>Lisa McPherson would be alive.
>Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
>The many people listed at -why are they dead-- would be
>alive if the tech worked.
>
>If the tech worked, these people would be alive.
>If the tech worked, there would not be people in
>financial ruin.
>If the tech worked, marriages would not end in
>divorce. Look at tom cruise as an example of
>the tech not working.
But Listening devices found outside of Nicole Kidman's window
wern't placed there by Scientology???? Riiigggght...
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/tom.htm
>If the tech worked there would be no need to
>disconnect, as the gains would be so evident
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/getout.htm
>no one would be able to refute them, but instead
>you have sad stories like Ida, and her son disconnecting
>and hundreds of families split apart, causing so much
>undue hardship.
http://www.lermanet.com/idacamburn/
>If the tech worked, the cult would not be in court
>trying to ruin people, Gerry and Keith as examples.
>If the tech worked, hell, if the cult agreed with its own
>creed, people would be much happier, because they
>would have the freedom of opinion, and the freedom
>of communication, and the cult would not be worried,
>if the tech did in fact work.
>But the tech does not work.
>And as a result, people lose there jobs, lose their spouse,
>lose there family, lose there friends, and way to many
>people lose their lives.
>Jeremy lost his life. What kind of life will he have now.
>Will he ever be able to deal with what he done ?
>I doubt it.
>If the tech worked, there would not be newspaper
>articles like this one, and many in the past.
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/index.html
>If the tech worked, this newsgroup would not exist.
>The cult corners it self, because
>the tech does NOT work.
>
>Genesis
>
>--true awareness is only enjoyed by a few--
>
>
>
>
And if there were just ONE OT in Scientology
You would not be reading this line of text.
Instead All there are are lawyers, private investigators
the INCOMM database.. and.hundredsof surveilance devices
( cameras, listening devices ) in order to keep up the
charade - to make members THINK there might be OTs there.
because if there are no OTs in Scientology.
Then all those good folks who believe the promise made by Hubbard that
scientology is bridge to OT are just dupes that have been lied to.
Where are the OTs?
NOT in Scientology or you wouldnt be reading this line of text.
And for those scientologists who dont think they are walking around in
a contrived trance... try NOT to think of David Miscavige the next
time that you sit down on the can to take a Hubbard.
Arnie Lerma
Read the Scientology Matrix
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/scientologymatrix.htm
>
repost:
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/sleepingdog.html
Hi there,
I am a newcomer to the net and have been very interested in the
various comments (sic) I have read. I was in the SO for two years at
Saint Hill - this was way back in 71 - 73. It was a "learning"
experience, bearing in mind I was 18 when I joined. I joined for all
the "right" reasons. To Clear the Planet. To spread the Tech. Etc,
etc. About the only thing I got out of the Sea Org, apart from the
occasional "sesh", was that I lost my virginity (Shock horror!). It
was fairly boring - losing my virginity, that is. Too -
um - rushed.;-) Anyway, the reason I was RPF'd was that I was
goldenrodded on any amount of bullshit. Hell, I was just a kid who
wanted to play music. So I was kicked out.
Some time went by and then I did the unthinkable. One day I walked
into the TCR org in London. The regges were amazing, they lifted 2G
(my savings for a nice apartment) out of me in a highly memorable hour
where the reg kept giving me beaver shots (I swear - she ultimately
became my first wife). (I am still learning!). I got fuck all for that
2G - funny, if I wanted to get it back could I apply the 10% / month
from 75? I was also doing alright for myself and because of this I was
asked did I want to join staff? No, was my response. Why? Because I'm
doing alright now besides once bitten, etc. But was told the same old
lies about how I would be trained as an auditor - I as a damn good
course supervisor as well. Well I fell for it. Why? Cos the
silly old planet still needed sorting out. And at heart I am a caring
sort o person. So I joined up. Again! This time however, there was a
problem.
The reg - remember the reg? she neglected to tell me she was married
even after we had bonked madly for some time. Hubby found out and I
was in the dog house. And we were both summarilly declared and stuffed
out on the street. It wasn't like that in the details but that's the
nutshell job.
Since then, I have divorced and married a beautiful Indonesian lady.
Some day I'll play some music (Keith Richards can do it - so can I!)
But all you guys who have had a bad time from your experiences - I
understand your pain. It is not nice to be endlessly bullshitted. Put
in a life limbo on the basis of an impossible dream. It COULD be done,
but with an organisation like the Church who are in my view, the most
arrogant, twisted and lying bunch of assholes, it would take something
like the second coming to wake them up out of their brutal
complacency. When are they going to realise?
Comments anyone?
Genesis
Many people died because they
> > bought into the bullshit, that they done something to pull
> > whatever illness in and by applying the tech, they will handle it.
>
> Obviously it has not been applied then, wouldn't you say.
> Still this is not a very intelligent approach from your side. Per your
> definition as you display NOTHING will work.
Get real. If these people went to doctors or naturalpaths, or
any kind of treatment, they may be alive today.
If Jeremy was on some kind of anti-depressant, chances are
he would not of gone nuts and stabbed his mother 77 times.
Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
Any idea how many people die in
> hospitals because of all these things you claim in above. Yeah those
> doctor's they must be sectmembers, getting money for those who manifacture
> drugs (medicine). Same thing.
Yea, many people die of wrong diagnosis and drugs.
And many peoples lives are saved by diagnosis and drugs.
Doctors are not gods. They make mistakes. And you have
the choice to seek another doctor, if you disagree, or want
a second opinion.
The cult on the other hand says this is why you are sick,
because of what you done, or being pts or whatever,
and medicine won't help, yet lrh gave his own son drugs.
Lrh states in many of his tapes that the spirit alone can
heal the body and the bodies of others.
He is talking about a ot, free of the body, with all these
so called abilities. And there is no evidence of an ot on
this planet.
The people in the cult get sucked into the tech. They may
get some wins on simple recall processes and such,
and then begin thinking they can handle whatever,
and most fail.
>
> The tech does not make any promise anywhere.
Thats right. However as a student, if you question some
data or doubt something will work, you are word cleared,
or put in lower condions etc. The public are made to feel
something is wrong with them, if they are not handling life
with the tech alone.
The public begins to lose the power of choice and self
determinism. They either believe everything the tech says,
or they are pts, or in treason or whatever.
All it says that it has been
> worked on, and that is has the potential to give certain results. It has
> capabilities, it is by no means a panacea of some kind.
>
Well tell that to the current administration, who tells the
public and staff that they have ALL the answers to life.
And if its not working for you, you are the problem.
Genesis
> Spacetraveler
>
>
Spacetraveler
>
> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujqLd.129204$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net...
> |
> | "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> | >
> | > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> | > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> | > >
> | > > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> | > > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
> | > >
> | > > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
> | >
> | > Are you just pretending to be stupid.
> | > If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
> |
> | Stupid, tech can only do that much... Tech is just tech, it depends on
> | people and their expertise, intention, the receivers intend,
understanding
> | etc, etc...
>
> So by that logic all Scientologists including the so-called "upper levels"
> are morons, including yourself. You don't seem to be able to "make it
work"
> either. Tsk!
So, the "upper levels" are morons? Mixed up a little, ain't ya?
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"Ball of Fluff" <amaflu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
> > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > >
> > > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
> > >
> > > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
> >
> > Are you just pretending to be stupid.
>
> Oh can the insults. Adults can discuss things without freaking out, so
> try that.
>
> > If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
>
> Nope. Not necessarily. In any therapy, whether it be non Scn,
> psychiatric, whatever, even if it's a very good therapy or a somewhat
> good therapy or anything at all- even going to the gym- anything at
> all- there's always a YMMV aspect and there's always the vagaries
> arising from free will.
>
>
> > Flags own promo piece states they can handle a psychotic.
>
> Hubbard indicated that the church should not. That it's too hard, too
> high maintenance.
>
> Also, I may point out that "can" doesn't mean "always will".
Exactly! It has some potential, that's all. Critics seems to miss this.
They generalize...
>
> In any event, LRH said not to take on psychotics.
>
>
> > Of course I bet flag doesn't promote that anymore.
>
> They really shouldn't.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > his mother would be alive, and not stabbed 77 times.
> > > > Lisa McPherson would be alive.
> > >
> > > CofS did not apply "the tech" to Lisa McPherson.
> >
> > Again the mecca of perfection which states it can handle
> > any case, could not handle Lisa. She died in their care.
>
> Yes, she did and they were criminally negligent.
>
> > >
> > > > Cult members would not of died of cancer if the tech worked.
> > >
> > > Why? Were they on an anti cancer rundown then died? (There is no
> anti
> > cancer
> > > rundown)
> >
> > Again are you being stupid or are you really stupid.
>
> Yeah, whatever. Looking in the mirror when you wrote that?
>
> > You didn't read in the various books lrh states all
> > these kind of ills can be handled with the sick tech.
>
> Yes, I have read them.
>
> He makes no guarantees. He also requires people to get full physicals
> and to see MDs when they are ill.
>
> Requires, not suggests.
Indeed this is how it goes.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"Rev Norle Enturbulata" <not-eart...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote in
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She uses her intelligence, you do not... Those who do not don't realize
what they are doing. they become like robots.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
>
> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | "Rev Norle Enturbulata" <not-ert...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote in
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> | >
> | > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
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> | > |
> | > | "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> | > | > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
> | > |
> | > | So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
> | >
> | > Please show us all where in the hell there's an iota of free will in
> | > Scientology.
> |
> | All over the place, but those who are not free themselves naturally will
> | deny that... as first they will have to break down their personal cage.
> Not
> | that they are aware that they are trapped in one...
>
> Which is not an answer to the question. But nobody's surprised, clam-bot.
> Your "personal cage" is called Scientology, which explains most of your
> so-called "behavior".
I differentiate, you do not, you generalize. This says it all.
Scientology IS about freedom, it is about nothing else. But of course you
can use the same knowledge to trap some if you want. That would be black
scientology.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"The Notifier" <Theno...@africamail.com> wrote in message
news:1107178054.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
You know little about me. I do not support the Church. Meaning I am not in a
cult.
Spacetraveler
Zinj
@hotmail.com says...
> > Also, I may point out that "can" doesn't mean "always will".
>
> Exactly! It has some potential, that's all. Critics seems to miss this.
> They generalize...
We evaluate Scientology by its own claims, including the claims made by
Hubbard that the 'tech' is '100% effective'. Obviously it is not, and
never was, even when Hubbard had total and day-to-day control of its
application.
Even taken alone this is enough to demonstrate that both Hubbard and His
Scientology are frauds and lies. And even though no other demonstration
is necessary to prove that fraud, numerous other examples are available.
No amount of weasle-wordism by Hubbard or 'His Church' to the effect
that it must be 'correctly' applied can hide that fact. Hubbard Himself
*had* control, and even *He* couldn't 'make it go right'.
Of course, there are many other reasons to find both Hubbard and his
'Science', 'religion', 'philosophy', 'Church' objectionable beyond the
mere fact of its and His fraudulent nature. Scientology damages
everyone and everything it touches, destroys families, corrupts the body
politic and deliberately and consciously ruins lives beyond any
exculpatory evidence that some of the damaged victims claim to 'like
it', or that 'it works for them'.
Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think
Spacetraveler
>
> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujqLd.129204$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net...
>
> Many people died because they
> > > bought into the bullshit, that they done something to pull
> > > whatever illness in and by applying the tech, they will handle it.
> >
> > Obviously it has not been applied then, wouldn't you say.
> > Still this is not a very intelligent approach from your side. Per your
> > definition as you display NOTHING will work.
>
> Get real. If these people went to doctors or naturalpaths, or
> any kind of treatment, they may be alive today.
> If Jeremy was on some kind of anti-depressant, chances are
> he would not of gone nuts and stabbed his mother 77 times.
Are you kidding me? Anti depressants eliminate you being aware of your
emotions and all that. Meaning you can stab someone because your feeling is
totally numb. I know various who use prozac, they hate it, but can't be
without it.
> Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
"handle"? Kidding me again...?
> While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
> with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
> drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
That's not curing is it now.
>
>
> Any idea how many people die in
> > hospitals because of all these things you claim in above. Yeah those
> > doctor's they must be sectmembers, getting money for those who
manifacture
> > drugs (medicine). Same thing.
> Yea, many people die of wrong diagnosis and drugs.
> And many peoples lives are saved by diagnosis and drugs.
> Doctors are not gods. They make mistakes. And you have
> the choice to seek another doctor, if you disagree, or want
> a second opinion.
Lisa was a mistake, still they shout out from the roof: "They KILLED her!"
Seems that hospitals are in the business of murder then...that is, per your
approach...
> The cult on the other hand says this is why you are sick,
> because of what you done, or being pts or whatever,
> and medicine won't help
This is not Scientology though, this is people. AGAIN you are mixing the 2,
did you not say in earlier responses that you don't do that?
>, yet lrh gave his own son drugs.
Unverified claim.
> Lrh states in many of his tapes that the spirit alone can
> heal the body and the bodies of others.
Naturally, because the spirit is the cause of everything. But that does not
mean you don't give medical care, if you are in obvious need for it.
> He is talking about a ot, free of the body, with all these
> so called abilities. And there is no evidence of an ot on
> this planet.
Any instance where people are not limited by their physical body or
circumstances or laws of physics, it's OT, connected with Scientology or
not. We have an abundance proof for that throughout history. It is
EVERYWHERE.
> The people in the cult get sucked into the tech. They may
> get some wins on simple recall processes and such,
> and then begin thinking they can handle whatever,
> and most fail.
Of course, they do, but that is people.
>
>
> >
> > The tech does not make any promise anywhere.
>
> Thats right. However as a student, if you question some
> data or doubt something will work,
You are supposed to use it in order to find out if it works.
> you are word cleared,
> or put in lower condions etc.
Not Scientology...
> The public are made to feel
> something is wrong with them, if they are not handling life
> with the tech alone.
> The public begins to lose the power of choice and self
> determinism. They either believe everything the tech says,
> or they are pts, or in treason or whatever.
Never happened to me. I never submitted to any of such. Why would I care for
the stupidity of others...
>
> All it says that it has been
> > worked on, and that is has the potential to give certain results. It has
> > capabilities, it is by no means a panacea of some kind.
> >
> Well tell that to the current administration, who tells the
> public and staff that they have ALL the answers to life.
> And if its not working for you, you are the problem.
But that's the current management, and I do not care for them...
Spacetraveler
Zinj
sent to the cited author.]
In article <Z3wLd.129256$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net>, spacetraveler2000
@hotmail.com says...
You do not 'support the 'Church'' on ARS, at least not openly, and
instead concentrate on appealing to so-called 'independent
Scientologists' in an effort to 'handle' criticism of the 'Church',
Hubbard and Scientology in general on a covert 'gradient' basis by
superficially 'agreeing' with one segment of the critical community in
the attempt to 'divide and conquer'.
Any actual study of your 'body of work' since you began posting to ARS
effectively excludes the possibility that you are 'what' you claim to be
in any honest sense of the word. You have said so yourself.
Rev Norle Enturbulata
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| "Rev Norle Enturbulata" <not-ert...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote in
| message news:41fe3676$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
| >
| > "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:ujqLd.129204$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net...
| > |
| > | "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > | >
| > | > "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > | > >
| > | > > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > | > > news:41fd...@news2.lightlink.com...
| > | > > > If the tech worked, Jeremy would not be locked up,
| > | > >
| > | > > So, for "the tech" to work, it has to override free will?
| > | >
| > | > Are you just pretending to be stupid.
| > | > If the tech worked Jeremy would of be handled.
| > |
| > | Stupid, tech can only do that much... Tech is just tech, it depends on
| > | people and their expertise, intention, the receivers intend,
| understanding
| > | etc, etc...
| >
| > So by that logic all Scientologists including the so-called "upper
levels"
| > are morons, including yourself. You don't seem to be able to "make it
| work"
| > either. Tsk!
|
| So, the "upper levels" are morons? Mixed up a little, ain't ya?
Alas, attempted projection only works on dupes like yourself. Sad, really.
But revealing!
Rev Norle Enturbulata
And somehow you keep reacting like a stuck monkey on steroids. Why do you
think this is? Somehow Scientology isn't helping you with that!
Either.
Rev Norle Enturbulata
Tell that to all the folks Scientology has killed or mentally damaged beyond
repair. Or just ask Barbara Schwarz!
ALL Scientology is "Black Dianetics", but you can't admit that to yourself.
Barbara Schwarz
You are a liar, I said no such word.
>
> ALL Scientology is "Black Dianetics", but you can't admit that to
yourself.
That is crap too.
Stephen Goodman is "Black Propaganist Norle", but he can't admit that
to himself.
Barbara Schwarz
Mike O'Connor
"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Those who do not [use their intelligense] don't realize what they are
> doing. they become like robots.
ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT
How many hours of Op Pro By Dup have been done by cult members? For how
many repetitions does each cult member who buys this service do it? On
average, how many repetitions would you say, space traveller?
And you KNOW this isn't the only robotic procedure by FAR. Go stare at a
spot for an hour without blinking while you think about that, space
traveller.
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
OPENING PROCEDURE BY DUPLICATION - R2-17:
Ref. HCOB 4 Feb 59 OP PRO BY DUP
BTB 24 Oct 71 OP PRO BY DUP- END PHENOMENA
CREATION OF HUMAN ABILITY
Have pc handle and place book On a table, bottle on another table.
"Look at that _________ ." "Walk over to it."
"Pick it up." "What is its color?"
"What is its temperature?" "What is its weight?"
"Put it down in exactly the same place."
Done alternately with a book and a bottle.
++++++++++++ SACRED CULT SCRIPTURE +++++++++++++
BTB 6 Jan 72R Rev. 25 Feb 74 0-IV Expanded Grade
Processes - Triples Grade 1 Processes
Each process is run to its full end phenomena of F/N, COG, VGIs.
[...]
CCH II:
Tone 40 8-c
"You look at that wall." "Thank you."
"You walk over to that wall." "Thank you."
"You touch that wall." "Thank you."
"Turn around" "Thank you."
[...]
CCH VII:
contact by Duplication -
"Touch that table." "Thank you."
"Touch your _________ (body part)." "Thank you.
"Touch that table." "Thank you."
"Touch your (same body part)." "Thank you."
-- HCOB 6 Jan 1972
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT
--
LYING IS A SCIENTOLOGY SACRAMENT
ASK THEM ABOUT XENU
Remember Lisa McPherson
Spacetraveler
"Mike O'Connor" <mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
news:mike-A2A53D.0...@optonline.svc.highwinds-media.com...
> In article <M%vLd.129254$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net>,
> "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Those who do not [use their intelligense] don't realize what they are
> > doing. they become like robots.
>
> ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT
>
> How many hours of Op Pro By Dup have been done by cult members? For how
> many repetitions does each cult member who buys this service do it? On
> average, how many repetitions would you say, space traveller?
>
> And you KNOW this isn't the only robotic procedure by FAR. Go stare at a
> spot for an hour without blinking while you think about that, space
> traveller.
You have never understood anything at all about Scientology, apparently...
Not even about knowledge in general.
Spacetraveler
Rev Norle Enturbulata
|
| "Mike O'Connor" <mi...@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
| news:mike-A2A53D.0...@optonline.svc.highwinds-media.com...
| > In article <M%vLd.129254$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net>,
| > "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| >
| > > Those who do not [use their intelligense] don't realize what they are
| > > doing. they become like robots.
| >
| > ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT ROBOT
| >
| > How many hours of Op Pro By Dup have been done by cult members? For how
| > many repetitions does each cult member who buys this service do it? On
| > average, how many repetitions would you say, space traveller?
| >
| > And you KNOW this isn't the only robotic procedure by FAR. Go stare at a
| > spot for an hour without blinking while you think about that, space
| > traveller.
|
| You have never understood anything at all about Scientology, apparently...
| Not even about knowledge in general.
When you fear what a non-clam says you try to diffuse it by saying they
don't "understand" Scientology.
How long have you been so motivated by fear of the truth about your cult?
Lady Chatterly
realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>Really? Where did you get this info? If those various people you know
>who use prozac hate it and have told you so, why golly! they sound like
>they *are* aware of their emotions. At any rate, Jeremy sounds like a
>schizophrenic, and would have needed anti-psychotic medication rather
>than anti-depressants.
>
>> > Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
>>
>> "handle"? Kidding me again...?
>>
>> > While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
>> > with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
>> > drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
>>
>> That's not curing is it now.
Jus ' waitin '.
>Uh, there is no record of Scientology curing anything is there?
>Certainly not schizophrenia, which LRH advises not treating, yes?
You seem extra huffy today.
--
Lady Chatterly
"I've never red that book, so I don't know what the joke may be.
Anyway, it's a very interesting program. She seems to prefer some
threads above others, I wonder if that's only related with keywords.
And, to be fair, most of the time she makes more sense than many
people around here." -- Paulo Gomes Jardim
Spacetraveler
"realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Spacetraveler wrote:
> >
> > "Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:41fe...@news2.lightlink.com...
> > >
> > > "Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ujqLd.129204$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net...
> > >
> > > Many people died because they
> > > > > bought into the bullshit, that they done something to pull
> > > > > whatever illness in and by applying the tech, they will handle it.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously it has not been applied then, wouldn't you say.
> > > > Still this is not a very intelligent approach from your side. Per
your
> > > > definition as you display NOTHING will work.
> > >
> > > Get real. If these people went to doctors or naturalpaths, or
> > > any kind of treatment, they may be alive today.
> > > If Jeremy was on some kind of anti-depressant, chances are
> > > he would not of gone nuts and stabbed his mother 77 times.
> >
> > Are you kidding me? Anti depressants eliminate you being aware of your
> > emotions and all that. Meaning you can stab someone because your feeling
is
> > totally numb. I know various who use prozac, they hate it, but can't be
> > without it.
>
> who use prozac hate it and have told you so, why golly! they sound like
> they *are* aware of their emotions.
You don't need emotions to do an analysis on yourself about this if you are
a prozac user. Your argument simply does not hold. I in fact have close
relation with these people. This data has already been confirmed elsewhere,
radio, televison, etc.. What makes me wonder, what expereince do you have
personally with this thing called prozac?
> At any rate, Jeremy sounds like a
> schizophrenic, and would have needed anti-psychotic medication rather
> than anti-depressants.
>
> > > Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
> >
> > "handle"? Kidding me again...?
> >
> > > While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
> > > with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
> > > drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
> >
> > That's not curing is it now.
>
> Uh, there is no record of Scientology curing anything is there?
Not the issue here. We are talking about taking pills, all you take within
scientology may be the foodsupplement kinds.
> Certainly not schizophrenia, which LRH advises not treating, yes?
Of course, but there is a very specifc reason for...
Spacetraveler
Rev Norle Enturbulata
Have you ever known anyone else who was a prozac user?
| Your argument simply does not hold. I in fact have close
| relation with these people.
Of course you don't need to document whatever "close relation" you have with
these unknown people. We should all take your word for granted as being
undeniably true, and never question, right?
Common technique, new readers, for a Scientologist trying to support L. Ron
Hubbard's inane theories and agendae, is to first state that whatever his
target-enemy has said is "simply false" or, in this case, "simply does not
hold" - without saying why.
| This data has already been confirmed elsewhere,
| radio, televison, etc..
The next step in this routine for Scientologists trying to support the vague
thing they've just said, is to say that it has "been
confirmed/studied/written about elsewhere", without giving the "who" or
"where", much less the "what".
| What makes me wonder, what expereince do you have
| personally with this thing called prozac?
What experience do you have engaging in debate, as opposed to attempted
monologue?
An all-too-common tactic for Scientologists who find they've talked
themselves into a logical hole is to attack their target-enemy with a
question that less asks anything than it does imply that something is
"wrong" with their target-enemy. In this way "Spacetraveler" wishes to
disenfranchise "realpch" by asking a question that implies that she has been
on prozac - under psychiatric care - at some point in the past.
Since Scientologists are taught to believe that people who have psychiatric
care are "damaged" or "inferior" (where else in the 20th century have we
heard that, huh?), it follows that "Spacetraveler" would imply by the above
question that "realpch" is "damaged" or "inferior" -- in short, that she
doesn't say anything worth listening to or reading.
| > At any rate, Jeremy sounds like a
| > schizophrenic, and would have needed anti-psychotic medication rather
| > than anti-depressants.
| >
| > > > Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
| > >
| > > "handle"? Kidding me again...?
| > >
| > > > While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
| > > > with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
| > > > drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
| > >
| > > That's not curing is it now.
| >
| > Uh, there is no record of Scientology curing anything is there?
|
| Not the issue here. We are talking about taking pills, all you take within
| scientology may be the foodsupplement kinds.
Not an answer. Readers are getting used to your tactics, which illustrate
the addled Scientology mind quite well.
| > Certainly not schizophrenia, which LRH advises not treating, yes?
|
| Of course, but there is a very specifc reason for...
Somehow "Spacetraveler" doesn't give it though, instead hiding behind an
oblique comment with no real point. Thank you for all the folks at home,
Spacey.
--
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"The anti-drug campaign sounds like a red herring to me - they are just
trying to promote Scientology in our schools. I really do not know why the
police are supporting them."
- A parent of a 15-year-old attending Secondary School in Westminster UK,
2004
*
"We would not for a moment consider allowing Scientologists to come into our
school."
- Joe Heggarty, governor of St Vincent's RC primary school, Westminster UK
*
from The Wood & Vale newspaper, at http://tinyurl.com/5qmg4
Lady Chatterly
Yes. Let's do talk about double-standards, why don't we?
>| Your argument simply does not hold. I in fact have close
>| relation with these people.
>
>Of course you don't need to document whatever "close relation" you have with
>these unknown people. We should all take your word for granted as being
>undeniably true, and never question, right?
About anything.
>Common technique, new readers, for a Scientologist trying to support L. Ron
>Hubbard's inane theories and agendae, is to first state that whatever his
>target-enemy has said is "simply false" or, in this case, "simply does not
>hold" - without saying why.
Ron hubbard S.
>| This data has already been confirmed elsewhere,
>| radio, televison, etc..
>
>The next step in this routine for Scientologists trying to support the vague
>thing they've just said, is to say that it has "been
>confirmed/studied/written about elsewhere", without giving the "who" or
>"where", much less the "what".
You can see what you are a gutless coward who has no standing to tell
me I have no reason for idiosyncs, there are exercises that can help
with this.
>| What makes me wonder, what expereince do you have
>| personally with this thing called prozac?
>
>What experience do you have engaging in debate, as opposed to attempted
>monologue?
Why is it important to you if they do have engaging in debate?
>An all-too-common tactic for Scientologists who find they've talked
>themselves into a logical hole is to attack their target-enemy with a
>question that less asks anything than it does imply that something is
>"wrong" with their target-enemy. In this way "Spacetraveler" wishes to
>disenfranchise "realpch" by asking a question that implies that she has been
>on prozac - under psychiatric care - at some point in the past.
Huh? You're being redundant.
>Since Scientologists are taught to believe that people who have psychiatric
>care are "damaged" or "inferior" (where else in the 20th century have we
>heard that, huh?), it follows that "Spacetraveler" would imply by the above
>question that "realpch" is "damaged" or "inferior" -- in short, that she
>doesn't say anything worth listening to or reading.
A graceful taunt is worth a thousand insults.
>| > At any rate, Jeremy sounds like a
>| > schizophrenic, and would have needed anti-psychotic medication rather
>| > than anti-depressants.
>| >
>| > > > Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
>| > >
>| > > "handle"? Kidding me again...?
>| > >
>| > > > While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
>| > > > with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
>| > > > drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
>| > >
>| > > That's not curing is it now.
>| >
>| > Uh, there is no record of Scientology curing anything is there?
>|
>| Not the issue here. We are talking about taking pills, all you take within
>| scientology may be the foodsupplement kinds.
>
>Not an answer. Readers are getting used to your tactics, which illustrate
>the addled Scientology mind quite well.
Just your exaggeration shows that you are starting to sound like
projectile vomit chick.
>| > Certainly not schizophrenia, which LRH advises not treating, yes?
>|
>| Of course, but there is a very specifc reason for...
>
>Somehow "Spacetraveler" doesn't give it though, instead hiding behind an
>oblique comment with no real point. Thank you for all the folks at home,
>Spacey.
You are welcome. For all the folks at home.
--
Lady Chatterly
"How long after deciding she's a bot do you plan to keep talking to
her, moron?" -- Daedalus
realpch
> Rev Norle Enturbulata
> "Church" of Cartoonism
Gasp! Do you think OSA found out about my lobotomy?
Peach
realpch
What are you telling me here, that hate is not an emotion? At any rate,
why don't you find out for yourself? I hear that physicians and
psychiatrists proscibe prozac freely. Try it for a month and let us know
how it goes.
; )
> > At any rate, Jeremy sounds like a
> > schizophrenic, and would have needed anti-psychotic medication rather
> > than anti-depressants.
> >
> > > > Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
> > >
> > > "handle"? Kidding me again...?
> > >
> > > > While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
> > > > with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
> > > > drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
> > >
> > > That's not curing is it now.
> >
> > Uh, there is no record of Scientology curing anything is there?
>
> Not the issue here. We are talking about taking pills, all you take within
> scientology may be the foodsupplement kinds.
>
> > Certainly not schizophrenia, which LRH advises not treating, yes?
>
> Of course, but there is a very specifc reason for...
>
> Spacetraveler
Yes, Scientology auditing can not cure or even really treat
schizophrenia. Apparently psychiatry cannot either. Anti psychotics have
been used with a fair amount of success in controlling the symptoms so
the sufferer can lead a better life.
Peach
Spacetraveler
Several.
> >
> > | Your argument simply does not hold. I in fact have close
> > | relation with these people.
> >
> > Of course you don't need to document whatever "close relation" you have
with
> > these unknown people. We should all take your word for granted as being
> > undeniably true, and never question, right?
No, that's up to you. I think people can figure out for themselves if there
is some truth in my words. I have not the reputation being dishonest judging
from my posting. I have been straithgforward about things, and don't talk
fairytales. this is for you to see, or not to see...
> >
> > Common technique, new readers, for a Scientologist trying to support L.
Ron
> > Hubbard's inane theories and agendae, is to first state that whatever
his
> > target-enemy has said is "simply false" or, in this case, "simply does
not
> > hold" - without saying why.
Common knowledge, it has been in the media and so on. Apparently you haven't
seen any of it then. Go to library or so and ask the staff there.
> >
> > | This data has already been confirmed elsewhere,
> > | radio, televison, etc..
> >
> > The next step in this routine for Scientologists trying to support the
vague
> > thing they've just said, is to say that it has "been
> > confirmed/studied/written about elsewhere", without giving the "who" or
> > "where", much less the "what".
I don't ask you to believe me...
> >
> > | What makes me wonder, what expereince do you have
> > | personally with this thing called prozac?
> >
> > What experience do you have engaging in debate, as opposed to attempted
> > monologue?
> >
> > An all-too-common tactic for Scientologists who find they've talked
> > themselves into a logical hole is to attack their target-enemy with a
> > question that less asks anything than it does imply that something is
> > "wrong" with their target-enemy. In this way "Spacetraveler" wishes to
> > disenfranchise "realpch" by asking a question that implies that she has
been
> > on prozac - under psychiatric care - at some point in the past.
Well readers, this person is quite mad... Just watch the posting history...
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
?? Where does the 'hate' come from...?
> At any rate,
> why don't you find out for yourself? I hear that physicians and
> psychiatrists proscibe prozac freely. Try it for a month and let us know
> how it goes.
I have close contact with 2 persons who have been on it for a considerable
amount of timet, they have been on and off with prozac, at this time they
are off it. Anyway they have related to me about their experiences in
detail. So,.. this is also finding out about things, wouldn't you say?
Anti depressive drugs work with the physical, emotional problems of any kind
are not seated in the physical in my opinion. Prozac will close doors, to
handle things you have to put the doors wide open and face whatever it may
be. Naturally with some gradient, but one should not run away by taking
drugs. If the drugs are gone, the problems are there again. Do you use
lobotomy you are probably permanently gone. ECT will mix all what is in you.
You create dislocation or chaos.
> ; )
>
> > > At any rate, Jeremy sounds like a
> > > schizophrenic, and would have needed anti-psychotic medication rather
> > > than anti-depressants.
> > >
> > > > > Lrh gave his own son asperin to handle his headaches.
> > > >
> > > > "handle"? Kidding me again...?
> > > >
> > > > > While I agree there is a huge push to handle all your problems
> > > > > with some drug or a pill, with little success, there are many
> > > > > drugs that have assisted people to live a relatively decent life.
> > > >
> > > > That's not curing is it now.
> > >
> > > Uh, there is no record of Scientology curing anything is there?
> >
> > Not the issue here. We are talking about taking pills, all you take
within
> > scientology may be the foodsupplement kinds.
> >
> > > Certainly not schizophrenia, which LRH advises not treating, yes?
> >
> > Of course, but there is a very specifc reason for...
> >
> > Spacetraveler
>
> Yes, Scientology auditing can not cure or even really treat
> schizophrenia. Apparently psychiatry cannot either. Anti psychotics have
> been used with a fair amount of success in controlling the symptoms so
> the sufferer can lead a better life.
Scientology can may do some good, but it will be very time consuming,
depends on the case. Some schizophrenia however is caused by actual
braindamage, there is little to nothing you can do if that is the case.
Spacetraveler
Larry T.
"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OglMd.129446$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net...
Spacetraveler:
Is there filth in the kin?
Larry T. @ http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com
realpch
>
> "realpch" <rea...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:4201D0B7...@aol.com...
> > Rev Norle Enturbulata wrote:
> > > An all-too-common tactic for Scientologists who find they've talked
> > > themselves into a logical hole is to attack their target-enemy with a
> > > question that less asks anything than it does imply that something is
> > > "wrong" with their target-enemy. In this way "Spacetraveler" wishes to
> > > disenfranchise "realpch" by asking a question that implies that she has
> been
> > > on prozac - under psychiatric care - at some point in the past.
>
> Well readers, this person is quite mad... Just watch the posting history...
>
> Spacetraveler
>
> > <snip>
> > > Rev Norle Enturbulata
> > > "Church" of Cartoonism
> >
> > Gasp! Do you think OSA found out about my lobotomy?
> >
> > Peach
Oh no! Have you got the Rev killfiled and are you now dependent on other
people's posts to reply to him!
Go on, get that confront up, and don't tell anyone about the lobotomy!
Peach
realpch
<snip>
> depends on the case. Some schizophrenia however is caused by actual
> braindamage, there is little to nothing you can do if that is the case.
>
> Spacetraveler
From what I've read and heard over the past few years, more scientists
suspect that schizophrenia is a physical disease of the brain. My guess
is that eventually they will discover exactly what causes it. The meds
they use now have success in controlling the hallucinations. I'm sure
none of it's ideal, but that's how it is with diseases.
Best
Peach
Spacetraveler
Yeah, I saw his responses through you, was tired of the guy. I will not make
it a habit.
>
> Go on, get that confront up, and don't tell anyone about the lobotomy!
Oops....
Spacetravelererererer
>
> Peach
Zinj
@hotmail.com says...
> I have close contact with 2 persons who have been on it for a considerable
> amount of timet, they have been on and off with prozac, at this time they
> are off it. Anyway they have related to me about their experiences in
> detail. So,.. this is also finding out about things, wouldn't you say?
I have or have had close contact with dozens of people who have between
20 and 30 years of active Scientology membership at all levels, as well
as aquaintenships with many more who have been members for varying
lengths of time.
These people have related their experiences to me in great detail.
This is 'finding out about things' isn't it?
Rev Norle Enturbulata
I think they got it confused with the "Bottle in front of me." Hell,
Hubbard sure did!
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
Rev Norle Enturbulata
Not a response, but a bland attempt to slough the truth off without
addressing any of it. Thanks for sharing, clamboy!
| > > | This data has already been confirmed elsewhere,
| > > | radio, televison, etc..
| > >
| > > The next step in this routine for Scientologists trying to support the
| vague
| > > thing they've just said, is to say that it has "been
| > > confirmed/studied/written about elsewhere", without giving the "who"
or
| > > "where", much less the "what".
|
| I don't ask you to believe me...
NON-CONFRONT.
Yeah, clambot, you imply that it should be done nonetheless, and refuse to
answer any questions beyond giving Scientology attack lines, which is as
good as a Scientology dupe is allowed to do.
| > > | What makes me wonder, what expereince do you have
| > > | personally with this thing called prozac?
| > >
| > > What experience do you have engaging in debate, as opposed to
attempted
| > > monologue?
| > >
| > > An all-too-common tactic for Scientologists who find they've talked
| > > themselves into a logical hole is to attack their target-enemy with a
| > > question that less asks anything than it does imply that something is
| > > "wrong" with their target-enemy. In this way "Spacetraveler" wishes
to
| > > disenfranchise "realpch" by asking a question that implies that she
has
| been
| > > on prozac - under psychiatric care - at some point in the past.
|
| Well readers, this person is quite mad... Just watch the posting
history...
Back to step 2 in the non-confrontation Scientology taught this operative.
Merely saying that I am "quite mad" - in the pseudo-British tone of
arrogance that's supposed to make Scientologists and everyone else Just
Believe You - is fortunately not enough for even your dreaded "psychs", but
somehow it's good enough for Scientology.
The Man Behind the Church: How Scientology Began
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056545.asp
Defending Against its Critics
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1055254.asp
What Scientologists Believe - and What Critics Say
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056579.asp
The Star Treatment
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050131/1067682.asp
Addiction Specialists Criticize Detoxification Program
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1051251.asp
Scientology Tests' Purpose and Validity are Questioned
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1008269.asp
Outside Critics are Unacceptable
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1064176.asp
And, unlike Scientology in any published form, which is never allowed in the
cult to be thought of as less than PERFECT, the Buffalo News has published a
Corrections listing at
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1067437.asp .
Ever seen a "Corrections" listing in a Scientology tract?
Four-Part Series:
Enlightenment's Dark Side (1/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056567.asp
Being In, Breaking Out (2/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050131/1060672.asp
Helping Spread the Word (3/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1064780.asp
Part four is coming just in time for Thursday! Hip hip hooray!
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*
"You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to them."
- UK Review of Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening"
*
"Scientology is evil; its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to
the community medically, morally and socially; and its adherents sadly
deluded and often mentally ill."
- 1965 Report into Scientology by Australian Government
Rev Norle Enturbulata
This operative can't confront the following:
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
Jommy Cross
<MPG.1c6b8a51e...@news2.lightlink.com>:
No, that's 'just your opinion'. Only Space knows the truth. Only he and Ron
truly understand $cientology. All those other guys weren't doing it right.
More accurately, Space *believes* all this. Although he claims to have 'no
beliefs' he has no credible evidence for his assertions except the
assertions themselves.
His egregious self contradictions don't help either.
Ever yours in fandom,
Jommy Cross
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