On the Ace O Clubs/CL and Gerry Armstrong issue
Phil Scott
I have no clue.
There are though... in fact, the CST founding legal documents.
They say what they say very clearly ... if parsed out in detail... the CST
controls the cult. Not visa versa.
Now that would be irrefutably correct.... unless you think and can prove that
the cult, and Mister Miscarriage control the US state and justice depts, the
IRS, FBI, Interpol... and Moms whore house outside of Carson city (south about 9
miles, on the west side of the highway up a rather rutted dirt road).
Not very likely is it.
What is more likely? That the CST founded by heavily govt connected attorneys
on behalf of whom ever, say US naval intelligence or some such that funded the
SRI program using a hundred or so scn's.... took over the cult?.... just as the
FBI did with the Black panthers a few years earlier?.. and the CIA has
repeatedly done with foreign govts by use of puppets and proxies.
Had the cult previously also infiltrated state and local govts to a very very
large extent....the world bank...OPEC... many US corporations. Oh yes. They
have. they have...
they have done that in *spades to say the least.
So its not an either/or situation. Its a mix, that has changed over time.
.imagine that.... a bunch of white boys running the panthers, and accepted.. but
they did.
Amazing. Then just before these retired FBI guys died, gave it all up on a 60
minutes national TV show. .. how they turned one panther against another from
the inside until they killed each other.
That proves the predilection.
Our glorious govt just loves to control anything that might go out of control
and rattle a few cages... and Elrongs approach to things was doing just that in
many aspects, serious glitches and all. ( it was corrupt from the start in
many ways, but that does not change the issues or workability of LRH's
presentation in many areas...stunning workability in some areas).
So if all this IS true, did our guy Gerry work directly with and help instigate
this take over? How about the others that worked in the area who ended up
reverse processed into oblivion by the cult...such as Stacy Young ....were they
CIA from the start and the end target of US govt agency controlled cult?
Possible of course...anything is possible
Pretty hard to reconcile though. Would the CIA send in a young female agent to
MARRY one of the cult leaders... in this case Vaughn Young, for the purpose of
subverting him and his ..er 'religion'.... unlikely... a girlfriend yes...a
wife...no.
thats too tight to be workable. I was there in 1975 when Stacy first
arrived..and yes a bit out of place...but Vaughn was a hard core USGO op for
maybe a decade earlier. He wrote much expose against the govt. So he was not
a plant... would a CIA op, have MARRIED him to break the cult? Thats not a
workable MO.
So I think our guy ACE here while raicht on the money in many many areas is
speculating and stretching a bit in some others, in some, but not all cases and
on some but not all issues as he has done in the past and honorably confessed to
in fact.
a plus point.
One does in fact need to get all squinty eyed and look all aspects of this mess
over.... and look also for what the senior issues are, the larger agenda and for
smoke screens of various sorts and who's running the generators.
Could Gerry have looked at the actual fraud in Hubbards life... testified to by
his own son, and become disgusted as he said and left the cult with his expose
in hand..all on the up and up? Surely that could very likely be the
case....could there have been cooperation with US govt agencies trying to take
hubbard out ...as an ally? Oh yes.
I think trying to hang a burning tire around anyones neck in this mess so
early... is counter productive... and is putting justice ahead of a full
investigation...so its not justice in that case. and that is regrettable.
Phil Scott
Pito Poquito
but I have some comments on the CST/COS/etc. issue.
CL has a mass of great documentation and infers reasonably from it.
However, I think we all know that the entire "Organization of
Scientology" is carefully designed to have no legal, corporate
administrative "SPOF" (Single Point of Failure.) There are so many
interlocking directorates, shell corporations, non=profit and
for-profit organizations that I believe it would be impossible to
point to a single one and say, "THIS is the SEKRIT COMMAND CENTER
of the entire Scientological structure." CL may reason impeccably
from available documents, but without a doubt the REAL chains of
command are closely guarded secrets that probably are not
completely known by ANY individual.
A good example of this was when Wollersheim won his case against
COS in California. The organization simply dissolved the entity,
stripped it of all assets and moved them elsewhere. Since that
time, of course, we see that that tactic has not been necessary since
they have beefed up their legal muscle.
So CL can analyze legal papers, incorporation documents, and even the
Closing Agreement until he's blue in the face, but unfortunately
the only thing he'll accomplish is being the world's foremost
expert on those documents.
Assuming it were even possible to "bring down" Scn, it is clear
that no legal or IRS approach will work at present. The thing that
obviously fuels the entire organization is money. There are
three main sources for this: current fully brainwashed members (some
of whom are very wealthy) that can be relied on for years to
keep shipping boxes of benjamins to the cult; new members, a small
percentage of which will become reliable sources of cash flow in
the future, and the huge unknown war chests and reserves in
places like Switzerland, Andorra and the Turk and Caicos Islands.
For all we know, the reserves they can call on are in the hundreds
of millions of US$ or even more.
The two best things for the critical movement are: for critics to
keep up their exposes and education, and the reliable and incessant
foot-bullets the cult and its representatives keep firing.
There will always be some small percentage of people who are more
gullible or idealistic than discriminating who will keep joining
things like Scn, but hopefully in the future when all the war chests
have been frittered away and embezzled, and the number of new
members is down to a trickle, the cult will fade into a richly
deserved obscurity.
Pito Poquito
Phil Scott
>Well, everyone's got an opinion (yeah, I know, and most of them stink),
>but I have some comments on the CST/COS/etc. issue.
>
>CL has a mass of great documentation and infers reasonably from it.
>However, I think we all know that the entire "Organization of
>Scientology" is carefully designed to have no legal, corporate
>administrative "SPOF" (Single Point of Failure.) There are so many
>interlocking directorates, shell corporations, non=profit and
>for-profit organizations that I believe it would be impossible to
>point to a single one and say, "THIS is the SEKRIT COMMAND CENTER
>of the entire Scientological structure." CL may reason impeccably
>from available documents, but without a doubt the REAL chains of
>command are closely guarded secrets that probably are not
>completely known by ANY individual.
Thats not a bad set of assumptions, although Id bet a few have a pretty clear
notion of whats up......and I think CL does. I would agree with you on some
of those issues as well. Its a long way from a complete mystery though.
*some things are known and very clear....sections of the puzzle already formed
and identifiable pieces to the puzzle still loose, but containing clues.
Like any partially formed 1000 piece puzzle. You may have shy blue section put
together at the top, some blades of grass and a bush forming at the bottom, the
grill and left front fender of a 1952 Buick Roadmaster, and left tailight
forming in the middle attached to some bits of water and rocks...and you still
have 500 pieces loose. So you don't know the complete picture.
but you see many of the missing pieces have chrome and glass, and what looks
like painted metal and bits of car door handles on them...and some others with
more grass, sky blue and rocks. and thats it.... No purple pieces...No pink
pieces...No pieces with animal or people on them.... No pure black pieces only a
few with parts of a tire on them.
You learn a lot from what you don't have as well by all that.
Well you know its not picture of a pussy cat on a rug..right? You have a
pretty good view even if all the pieces are not in place... It takes an idiot
to infer then that its a sea scape you see. ..even if there is bits of water
forming.
To do that they have to ignore aspects of the picture that are fully clear...and
the unaligned but still in context random bits of data that support the forming
larger picture.
The cult specialty is to have people shouting and pointing at the pieces with
sections of water that its a 'seascape' and that the bits of car parts and
sections of car are from another puzzle even though its fitting exceedingly well
with the rest of the picture.
Deception you see. The more bits you have, and that more that come together,
in the case of the cult, joint ventures in crime between them and the US govt
that refuses to prosectute them, and sends its retired military folks to work in
thier bogus corporations such as ATG ( www.ateg.com or www.atgi.com) and
lists them on the masthead one year...and hides them the next... well those are
more cloo's you see...not the whole pic... just another piece with a section of
wind shield on it with surrounding paint to match whats on other pieces and
partially formed fenders.
You see? You dont need every damn piece... if fact you could throw out 25% of
the pieces at random and still get the picture quite clearly. ITs a specialty
of lawyers and spin artists and criminals to jump and down and point and say
'you dont have all of the data'.... missing pieces might come in and show that
its really not a car...but a moon rocket with a buick grill.
Ludicrous you see. and thats how its getting for cult and its associations...
an individual or govt agency cannot defend the cult in this light and then not
be noticed as complicit with it.
>
>A good example of this was when Wollersheim won his case against
>COS in California. The organization simply dissolved the entity,
>stripped it of all assets and moved them elsewhere.
Correct.... you are saying this somehow changes or obscures the larger picture?
I do believe it is merely another piece of the puzzle that is forming the larger
picture quite nicely.
>Since that
>time, of course, we see that that tactic has not been necessary since
>they have beefed up their legal muscle.
Not correct. And they are loosing on the legal front world wide except for the
US were they are burning off thier capitol at warp speed as the press is
noticing the lack of state and federal prosecution and asking what the fuck is
up with that..... and why...and what sort of liason must be behind it.
They are still using and expanding the shell corporations and countless other
liasons, world wide to gain more and more influence (by laundering US officials
and other graft money) and to hide assets.... theirs and that of those they are
laundering money for. imho
>
>So CL can analyze legal papers, incorporation documents, and even the
>Closing Agreement until he's blue in the face, but unfortunately
>the only thing he'll accomplish is being the world's foremost
>expert on those documents.
Incorrect... CL and others are doing this analyis and other analysis in the
context of the larger picture quite nicely. Your pointing at one piece and
pointing out its only one piece and implying that anyone is focusing only on
that one piece is either in great error, or a two bit cultie op.
>
>Assuming it were even possible to "bring down" Scn, it is clear
>that no legal or IRS approach will work at present.
Close...but no cigar... as the US people become aware, and as the press starts
speaking up again, congress will be forced to hold public hearings...and them
worms son...they be out and around...and the cult and its liasons will be
exposed and will go down.
Its happened before, its happening in Germany and France with the cult...and it
will happen sooner or later in the US...and its starting to look like it will be
sooner.
>The thing that
>obviously fuels the entire organization is money.
Thats a side issue...incidental to the real scene. Govt influence, control of
economies and nations is whats fueling this mess...and thats fully in accordance
with Elrongs written and broadly published edicts...that the cult take over the
world..... the money is incidental to that.
>There are
>three main sources for this: current fully brainwashed members (some
>of whom are very wealthy) that can be relied on for years to
>keep shipping boxes of benjamins to the cult; new members, a small
>percentage of which will become reliable sources of cash flow in
>the future,
The cult makes more on one stock fraud, than on all the individual rip offs
combined... which are declining fast as the public is avoiding the bOrgs in
droves.
>and the huge unknown war chests and reserves in
>places like Switzerland, Andorra and the Turk and Caicos Islands.
Correct. It could live on interest alone now indefinitely.
>For all we know, the reserves they can call on are in the hundreds
>of millions of US$ or even more.
They spent 100 million on lawyers, thugs, hit men and whores in 1997 according
to court records.. thats recorded. That does not say what they spend on
espionage. The cult imho is worth many billions of dollars today. It only
feigns cash needs to suck more money from its rip off artist supporters like
Reed Slatkin and the founder of DIGL... who is about to get his dick totally
into the wringer as stock holders start going ballistic... when is the next
stock holders meeting anyway..I should read the quarterly reports I get one of
these days.
>
>The two best things for the critical movement are: for critics to
>keep up their exposes and education, and the reliable and incessant
>foot-bullets the cult and its representatives keep firing.
>
>There will always be some small percentage of people who are more
>gullible or idealistic than discriminating who will keep joining
>things like Scn,
Not too many anymore. The bOrgs are almost empty...but corporate and govt
infiltration and complicity is booming...of course thats been a problem lately
in some quarters..other areas are ripping right along.
>but hopefully in the future when all the war chests
>have been frittered away and embezzled, and the number of new
>members is down to a trickle, the cult will fade into a richly
>deserved obscurity.
The cult will live and die like hubbard, in a mess....but as with Hubbard, the
fraud will go on. That military, industrial and political espionage, money
laundering operation is almost perfected, and has co-opted much of the US
military as fully evident by the huge percentage of ATG that was manned by
retired US intelligence officers, from a military that is as much known for
graft in federal contracts as anything else... thats multi billion dollar
federal contracts.. and in bed with the cult starting in the early 60's.
Do I have to retype the Puthoff, swann, sri, Naval intelligence thing again?
try searching it on google, they have not managed to get rid of all the hits
yet.
>
>Pito Poquito
Nice goin Pito... the longer you look though the less you will be speculating,
and the more you will see that is not quite the simple PC rip off you seem to
think it is.
Phil Scott
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