"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
Magoo
b-day cards to each other, each year with that saying:
"You can run, but you cannot hide".
We'd sent this note to each other, in various forms,
for years and years, on our Birthdays.
In the '90's his father, a Scientology "OT" and X-Sea Org
Man woke up, realized Scientology was nothing but a con,
and left Scientology forever.
His Mother was a "True believer" and insisted Scientology
is the greatest.
As people left, many were declared "Suppressive People"
which to those out sounds like a joke, but when you get the
depth of tragedy and hatred connected with this label, it's
one of THE most damning labels I'd ever known.
Nothing was worse. Hubbard said "Scientology is your only
salvation, and if you harm it, this shall effect you lifetime,
after lifetime, after lifetime".
Granted, now with access to the Internet, this is a bit of a joke
as people can read the facts, and make up their own minds.
However, in years past, even in the 1990's, Scientology had put
a net nanny on computers, so even IF a Scientologist got to a computer (Then
rare), and IF they typed in "Scientology"...due to
the Net Nanny that had been covertly installed in all computers,
all they'd see is Scientology's propaganda. So the chances of a
Scientologist getting what most people now know about this group,
were 2 fold:
Slim and None, and slim left the building long ago!
The mind control was built way in, and no one ever wanted to
be declared an SP. If you left the group, people applied what is known as
"Disconnection" and bingo! Over night you lost ALL of your friends, often
your family, certainly your group and beliefs.
This friend of mine had something very bad happen to him around
Christmas time, and his Mother told me I needed to try to get to him, and
help him, as she was, and others. Ok, I loved him so I began trying to find
him. He was always out, never home, hard to get in touch with.
I happened to be over where he worked during "The Super Bowl",
so I stuck a little sticky note on his computer:
"You can run, but you cannot hide".
About a week later, I got a note saying how his parents
were out of town, he'd like to go to dinner, and
"I can run, but I no longer have to worry about hiding".
Let him know when re dinner.
I thought that was an extremely odd response, as we'd so often
just sent the same message back and forth, but I sent back
an e-mail "Any time is good for me, tell me when and we'll go".
The next thing I knew, his Mother was screaming like I'd never
heard a person scream before: She'd just gotten home,
and so had her husband (She from Flag, he from somewhere else,
both out of touch due to he leaving Scientology)> He'd found
their son, having shot himself.
We all went out to UCLA, and the Doctors spent hours trying
to help him. Finally, after 7 hours, they came out to say
"He'd be less than a vegetable for life".
The tears from this family...............I cannot write about, as
I begin crying just remembering their deep pain, and to this
day the deep pain they feel, as I'm sure each family who has lost
their child( I now know 6 Scientology families where their child
took their life---I believe due to Disconnection).
Their son was brought out, and put downstairs on a life monitor,
where he remained for about 24 more hours, and then the family decided they
had to let him go.
The air was pumping, he looked like he was breathing, he looked
almost the same, except for the white cloth wrapped around his head. Stong,
handsome, ready for life to begin, except for one thing: He'd ended it.
Good God ....this is the part of Scientology that keeps me speaking out:
Disconnection, con, medical abuse, fraud, fair game, suicides
and deaths at way too young an age.
It is ~so~ tragic that SO many people I loved, and so many others loved,
are now D E A D.
To my friend, Happy Birthday, where ever you are.
And
"You can run, but you cannot hide".
I still see you, in my heart, in my mind.........I feel your
love and passion.
My you be dancing with the angels, and hopefully any
young people reading this shall realize they do NOT have
to take their lives to leave Scientology.
In truth, it's really no more than walking across a line in
the street: They just make it seem so much worse.
If you want to, and don't know where to go, or what to do,
GIVE ME A CALL!
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out happily for 5 years!
For thinking and speaking my mind, Scientology declared me
a 'suppressive person' and expelled me from their so called 'church'
Free at LAST!
http://www.xenu.net, www.xenutv.com
http://www.torymagoo.org, www.altreligionscientology.net
http://www.lermanet.com/cos/toryonosa.htm
"Those that give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
mag...@charter.net
Burbank, CA
(818) 841-3632
Skipper
Just know there's a special little hell for the former Lafayette Ronald
Hubbard, and he's going to be in it lifetime, after lifetime, after
lifetime.
If and when he gets out of the very painful place he's in right now,
that is. :-)
jerald
peace. one life lost is one two many.
jerald
Magoo
"Skipper" <skipsp...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:040720061810234441%skipsp...@charter.net...
> God bless you, Tory.
Thank you, Skipper....I appreciate your kind words.
>
> Just know there's a special little hell for the former Lafayette Ronald
> Hubbard, and he's going to be in it lifetime, after lifetime, after
> lifetime.
>
> If and when he gets out of the very painful place he's in right now,
> that is. :-)
Well said, as usual! :)
Happy 4th of July to you............
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"jerald" <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152062024.5...@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> wow tory, i can still read the loss and pain you feel. i wish you
> peace. one life lost is one two many.
It's very heavy, isn't it? I know the father very well,
and I cannot describe the pain this man has gone through.
(His X-Wife used to be one of my best friends, and now,
without ever asking me, is out spreading OSA lies about me.
How bad is that?)
It is a daily quest for me that people understand this
isn't just some 'celebrity religion'...this IS a cult, where people
die way too young, minds are stolen, freedoms are taken away,
families are broken up, often forever.
Thank you for getting it.
Tory/Magoo~~
>
> jerald
>
Johnny Mike
"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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ARE YOU READING THIS, OSA? Or any other fucking cultie with your brains
marinating in clam juice?? Tory knows SIX families... that's SIX.
FAMILIES. who lost a child to suicide because of disconnection. I might,
*might* know six families who have lost someone due to car accidents or
cancer or even AIDS, much less SUICIDE. Not only suicide, but all with one
other thing in common: The CULT of Scientology's disconnection policy.
SIX families! SIX families this cult has destroyed. Oh, there are more!
These six are just the ones Tory knows.
What goes around comes around, you clam shitheads. It's not enough to be
space-alien loons, is it? You are anti-human motherfuckers. The blood of
these six beings who were destroyed by a CULT is on your hands if you are
OSA or if you are any cultist who knows of these things and does nothing.
The blood of these six is on the hands of anyone who defends the disease
that is Scientology.
Johnny Mike
Jennifer ~Canada
Did you not notice this when you were in scientology? The suicides?
Did it not seem strange to you?? I know of about 2 people in my whole
life and I am probably your age that took their life and that being
said, they were other peoples friends, not close close friends of mine.
Jennifer :)
Johnny Mike
"Johnny Mike" <fuman...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6CEqg.28047$vR6....@newsfe11.phx...
Actually, correction... I do know at least six families who have lost
someone to cancer. So the CULT of Scientology is almost as good as cancer
in the killing department.
Johnny Mike
Kevin Brady
>
> "jerald" <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1152062024.5...@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> wow tory, i can still read the loss and pain you feel. i wish you
>> peace. one life lost is one two many.
>
> It's very heavy, isn't it?
I'm certainly not immune to the emotion. I never witnessed that result
happening to people. I can understand it, though. I was suicidal for a
while after my ex-wife disconnected (and disconnected my children by
default). I'm glad I didn't go that route, but I can understand people that
do. It's VERY hard to live with the loss of everything and everyone you
know.
> I know the father very well,
> and I cannot describe the pain this man has gone through.
> (His X-Wife used to be one of my best friends, and now,
> without ever asking me, is out spreading OSA lies about me.
> How bad is that?)
You don't have to. Just describing the events, I can certainly imagine the
agony and the anger and the despair.
> It is a daily quest for me that people understand this
> isn't just some 'celebrity religion'...this IS a cult, where people
> die way too young, minds are stolen, freedoms are taken away,
> families are broken up, often forever.
I have two kids that still aren't talking to me. They have no idea what to
say. I'm sure their heads are filled with all kinds of bullshit about me.
One of them is now receiving messages from me and indirectly acknowledging
them. Her friends sometimes write to me to explain that she's at a loss and
overwhelmed and feels like she might be betraying her mother, and where the
hell have I been, and all that. The way the Church breaks up families is
astonishingly painful and so objectionable I can't believe they get away
with it. If I were the vengeance-seeking type, I long ago would be locked
up and feeling happy.
John
> news:1152062024.5...@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> wow tory, i can still read the loss and pain you feel. i wish you
>> peace. one life lost is one two many.
>
> It's very heavy, isn't it? I know the father very well,
> and I cannot describe the pain this man has gone through.
> (His X-Wife used to be one of my best friends, and now,
> without ever asking me, is out spreading OSA lies about me.
> How bad is that?)
>
> It is a daily quest for me that people understand this
> isn't just some 'celebrity religion'...this IS a cult, where people
> die way too young, minds are stolen,
stolen, and sometimes broken.
Magoo
"John" <ju...@junk.com> wrote in message
news:e8f79q$pno$1...@perki.connect.com.au...
Very true, and if your mind has been broken, what
do you do then? Some people drift around outside of
Scientology, and they're not sure where to go, what to
do, who to be? Their entire life has been Scientology--now
what?
I know for me, writing here on the Internet has helped me
more mentally and spiritually than any other activity. It takes
time, and courage to face it all, but when you do---that broken
feeling repairs. And then you can live again.
I hope for you, who mentioned minds being broken that IF
your mind and spirit are broken, you take time to help fix
you. I will have you in my heart, and wish you greatness.
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Kevin Brady" <gomo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:ftEqg.32$aU...@fe06.lga...
>>
>> "jerald" <jerald...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1152062024.5...@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>>> wow tory, i can still read the loss and pain you feel. i wish you
>>> peace. one life lost is one two many.
>>
>> It's very heavy, isn't it?
>
> I'm certainly not immune to the emotion. I never witnessed that result
> happening to people. I can understand it, though. I was suicidal for a
> while after my ex-wife disconnected (and disconnected my children by
> default). I'm glad I didn't go that route, but I can understand people
> that do. It's VERY hard to live with the loss of everything and everyone
> you know.
>
>> I know the father very well,
>> and I cannot describe the pain this man has gone through.
>> (His X-Wife used to be one of my best friends, and now,
>> without ever asking me, is out spreading OSA lies about me.
>> How bad is that?)
>
> You don't have to. Just describing the events, I can certainly imagine
> the agony and the anger and the despair.
Thank you for getting it.
>
>> It is a daily quest for me that people understand this
>> isn't just some 'celebrity religion'...this IS a cult, where people
>> die way too young, minds are stolen, freedoms are taken away,
>> families are broken up, often forever.
>
> I have two kids that still aren't talking to me.
That is the second worst thing, next to suicide, I think--although
both are quite similar, I can imagine.
They have no idea what to
> say. I'm sure their heads are filled with all kinds of bullshit about me.
That IS the worst thing Scientology does, and I speak out
because of the families and kids, for the most part.
> One of them is now receiving messages from me and indirectly acknowledging
> them.
Well, that's good, eh?
Her friends sometimes write to me to explain that she's at a loss and
> overwhelmed and feels like she might be betraying her mother, and where
> the hell have I been, and all that.
Good God! That is SO wrong to make young people go through all
that CRAP. As if growing up isn't bad enough, Scientology has to lob in
cutting off the family, then adding in how bad one of the parents is...truly
sick.
The way the Church breaks up families is
> astonishingly painful and so objectionable I can't believe they get away
> with it.
Me neither! Religious Freedom? MY ASS.
If I were the vengeance-seeking type, I long ago would be locked
> up and feeling happy.
Understood.....................all I can say is Karma IS out there,
and every person who allows this kind of abuse can count
on their own Karma biting them back hard.
As impossible as it may seem, I wish your family soon be back together, one
way....or the other!
Tory/Magoo~~
>
>
Magoo
"Jennifer ~Canada" <jennifer...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:1152063621.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Tory....
>
> Did you not notice this when you were in scientology? The suicides?
Yes, I knew 3 young men who had taken their own lives, while "in".
One hung himself while on auditing lines. One was Philip Gayle, who helped
create Earthlink, and jumped out of a 15 story window at MIT on L. Ron
Hubbard's Birthday. The last was the one I've written about. I've learned of
3 more since I left...all Scientologists.
> Did it not seem strange to you??
TOTALLY Strange! Actually, the entire death situation within
Scientology was horrific to me! WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING??? We were "Going
up the Bridge" and way too many of my close friends died while doing so.
I asked Dr. Denk what was up, and here's what he told me:
"Tory, EVERY person who has tried to handle Cancer naturally,
from our clinic, is D E A D. Those that used both naturally and medical,
some are alive, and some died".
The suicides were the worst, and I told this young man, before I left his
side forever, this:
"Your life, and death shall not be in vein. I don't know what I'm
going to do, but I promise you that I will do something in your honor.
At the time I was still way "in", and thought I'd Clear Brazil or something.
Months later I was on the Internet, soon after out forever, and have been
speaking out ever since. Each time I speak,
I do so in honor of my friends who are D E A D....especially the kids.
I know of about 2 people in my whole
> life and I am probably your age that took their life and that being
> said, they were other peoples friends, not close close friends of mine.
I know, my brother kept asking me the same thing. We're one year apart, and
I had tons of friends who were dead, and he knew one.
Amazing, eh?
Love to you, and to ALL the families who have suffered the tremendous losses
of their children to the Cult of Scientology.
To any and all supporting this insidious organization: Shame on
you.
Tory/Magoo~~
K Palmer
yes a suicide is a sad and tragic thing - esp in one who is young. The
pain and sadness is so intense - and even over time one can feel it and
witness it.
You are and continue to be a strong and shining example of strength and
integrity in spite of the lies told about you by a so-called church.
You keep on keeping on with such grace and spirit. Thank you
Kim P
TwistyCreek
>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
From: TwistyCreek <an...@comments.header>
Date: 4 Jul 2006 11:39:30 -0000
Message-ID: <CEPK9LJP3890...@twistycreek.com>
Subject: Happy 4th of July
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Mail-To-News-Contact: ab...@dizum.com
Organization: mail...@dizum.com
>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
Tory, how surprising is it that you come back reciting your "lies, lies,
lies, lies", mantra? Is that the only rebuttal you can muster up? You are
now denying that you cheated on your husband? Have you forgotten that you
also told Jeff and others? Did you forget that you told me where you work?
How would I know about the car pull?
>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
You can call me a liar all you like but it won’t change anything you've
told me. The people you said these things to will *know* - even if they
don’t *say* anything. They are not stupid, Tory.
>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
Keep trying to buy back your now diluted image on ARS (if it makes you
feel good when you Google your name). For me you are becoming an ancillary
footnote.
>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
Tanya, as promised, here is one photo: http://www.geocities.com/torybutt/
You truly believe this is an OSA op and that I am not a freelancer?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that I am in the LA area,
Kady. Does that mean that anyone living in LA is OSA? I suppose with that
sort of logic anyone who lives in Langley, VA is CIA? Or anyone living in
Quantico is FBI? I'm disappointed with the quality of your deductive
reasoning.
Even Henri got it wrong when he said, "the reason it's obviously not a
critic is that no critic gives a flying fuck about all this shit not even
a disgruntled one." I guess I have just changed that. Disgruntled critics
do give a flying fuck about all this shit.
Emma, did you know that Dilbert Perkins was never a scientologist? Your
theory that I only attack ex-scientologists is screwy on that point alone.
Don’t be "Toryish" about Gavino and OSA. I am becoming somewhat jealous of
them because they are getting all the credit and I get nothing. You know
those OSA cowards will never come out admitting to or denying anything on
ARS. But keep thinking I am Gavino, posting through a remailer, or telling
others to do it for him, if that gets you off. I know that you will always
have a burning curiosity deep inside as to "who the hell is
Just-Another-Wog?" I hate to tell you that OSA is not my line of country
but you are quite welcome to keep chasing those illusive butterflies.
dst thinks that Tory must be scaring the crap out of OSA but he is yet
another clueless critic.
To quote Kady, "i think if there is an actual 'mole' it is probably one
degree removed from tory and is working on, again, gossip that it gets
from someone in contact with her". Perhaps as a reporter you are used to
pass on gossip and sell time as facts, but the only "gossip" I get is
straight out of Tory’s mouth.
Just-Another-Wog
p.s. If you hear from grad5 tell him to give me a call because, lately,
I've been running out of logs. Also tell sneaky that I can’t receive his
attachments. Further, I haven’t heard from Ed lately - he is one of the
few I liked when I met him at Tory’s place.
Magoo
"K Palmer" <yduzit...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:44abb494$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
Dearest Kim,
Thank you so much for your kind words, and views..I always
appreciate hearing from you.
My pain was/is deep re this young man who took his life, as it was/is re
so many of my friends who are d e a d.
However, I wrote this in honor of the parents of these young men---the Moms
and Dads of young people they've suffered the losses of.
I cannot imagine how torturous this is, except the father of this young man
is a good friend of mine, and I can SEE what it does to him, year after
year, month after month: That pain doesn't/won't go away, and that is why I
wrote this. No one, NO ONE should have to live through this!
I'm AMAZED that as many people as there are stay in Scientology,
knowing each of these young kids who've taken their lives.
To me, it was a ~huge~ wake up call. What is going on?
How can a ''church''...drive young people to take their lives?
Oh sure, Scientology can say, "It had nothing to do with us"...
but example: Phil Gayle (who I knew, too) jumping out of the 15th story
window of MIT on L. Ron Hubbard's B-Day...............that was totally
about
Scientology. His Mother was a huge spokesperson for CCHR at the time. How
could he get out? He found his way....as tragic as it is.
I also wrote this for any and all kids, possibly lurking, feeling as
trapped as each of these kids did. I know it, as I...a grown adult....
sat and cried and cried, hysterically the moment I realized it was ALL over,
there was no way out, except to walk out, take back my life, and in doing
so, lose ALL of my friends and husband of 27 years, which I did. I think
that's just too much for these young people.......................
but it doesn't need to be. I not only lived through it, as you well know,
it's been fabulous to wake up, take back *my* life, enjoy the freedoms
Scientology had taken way, chipping at them, bit by bit.
Life ~~does~~go on, if you just step across the line in the street, which
Scientology has created as eternity. It isn't eternity, it's nothing but
huge fear they've instilled. It's BS, it's nothing,
and those 'friends"? As Andreas said to me: "What kind of friends could
those be, if they're going to leave you because you changed your mind?" That
one question cracked open my Scio/Truman Show.
I hope this post has helped a few.
Blessings to you,
Tory/Magoo~~
Sten-Arne Zerpe
In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
With the Message-ID: <31G4RDYV3890...@twistycreek.com>
And the Organization Header: mail...@dizum.com.
The famous author: TwistyCreek <an...@comments.header>.
Wrote on the subject: Re: "You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide":
>>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
>
>You can call me a liar all you like but it won’t change anything you've
>told me. The people you said these things to will *know* - even if they
>don’t *say* anything. They are not stupid, Tory.
>
Snip
Wugga?
SAZ
ida...@aol.com
Thank you Tory for thinking of all the Mothers and Fathers who have
lost their loved ones
to Hubbards satanic evil cult. Disconnection is horrible but when a
suicide is involved
it is much worse. I am in touch with one couple whose son commit
suicide -they have
worked hard over the years to expose $cientology and how it breaks up
families and
ruins lives.
My son spends five days a week on a dialysis machine due to the fact
he
wasted two years (and lots of money ) going to Clearwater to be
"cured". Luckily he
had friends who got him to a legitimate doctor where he needed 8
transfusions to survive. Guess that OT8 crappola didn't do much for his
health.
His birthday was yesterday , He was 65 years old and still an avid
believer. He has
truly disconnected from me. I made the usual cake that was his favorite
and my grand
daughter and her family enjoyed it.
I remember the good times when he was normal and many Sundays when he
and his
family came from the mountains where they spent week ends they would
stop by, the
kids would swim in the pool, I would have dinner for them and of course
I looked forward
to every week end they could come. (The old red-headed satinist took
care of that).
Life goes on and I find the SP status is one I can live with. However I
must continue to
fulfil my promise to the late and Honorable Cong. Leo Ryan.
And you Twisty need help. We all understand a "spy" is slipped in on us
and most of
us, including Tory have no problem handling them. You prolly had extra
time in the
TR courses as your sickness is showing.
Ida Camburn
It's too bad there isn't a 20th Century Charles
Dickens to write about the terrible destruction of
these 20th Century fagins who make themselves rich
while they destroy the psyche of so many.
Cong. Leo Ryan
Dec. l0, l976
ida...@aol.com
Susan
"Sten-Arne Zerpe" <ze...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:orona29o88aaq4hr9...@news2.lightlink.com...
Twisty is the correct name, apparently.
Tory,
Thank you for your post sharing the tragedy of the insidious cult of
scientology with us.
The truth prevails!
Susan
>
> SAZ
>
Playfullminx
But yet and still, Kevvie, you want to profess that there is some good
that can come of crazy Layfette's words that produced Scientology. In
my book, you are no better than an OSA agent or cult member who helped
people kill themself or had a hand in killing people like Lisa
McPherson.
Regardless of who divorced you or how many kids yo uhave that are not
talking to you - the simple fact that you say that there is any good
that can come from anything connected to Scientology - you get what you
deserve.
You are the one who is causing it. You are the one that is keeping it
going. To me, that is sad and ultimately freakish. You say one thing
and at the same time say something totally. That may sound impossible
and rather silly - but so is basically everything that came out of
Hubbards mouth.
You pretending like you would have seeked vengeance for the church
breaking up your family is laughable. You are the one who still blows
sunshine up the Freezone's ass - thus making it still possible for this
insanity to continue.
You are a joke. You can not have your cake and eat it to, freek. It
is rather plain and simple. Either you are in or you are not.
Anything less is bullshit. You have a lot of balls to write on the
heels of someone who is truly expressing heart fealt emotion over the
death of people near and dear with your pseudo-scientology crap.
To the untrained eye, you recent post may have sounded good - but, come
on, we know the truth about you. You are a liar and are about as
insane as Hubbard was. It serves you right you lost your family you
damn freek!
There....tear this post apart like a good little boy. Or cry to your
family about me. Oh, wait - you can't. They disconnected from you.
Freek!
Kevin Brady
One probably often leads to the other. Part of "caving in the SP".
> They have no idea what to
>> say. I'm sure their heads are filled with all kinds of bullshit about
>> me.
> That IS the worst thing Scientology does, and I speak out
> because of the families and kids, for the most part.
The more people do that, the more helpful it will be.
>> One of them is now receiving messages from me and indirectly
>> acknowledging them.
> Well, that's good, eh?
God bless myspace.
> Her friends sometimes write to me to explain that she's at a loss and
>> overwhelmed and feels like she might be betraying her mother, and where
>> the hell have I been, and all that.
> Good God! That is SO wrong to make young people go through all
> that CRAP. As if growing up isn't bad enough, Scientology has to lob in
> cutting off the family, then adding in how bad one of the parents
> is...truly sick.
Classic cult stuff. At some point, the kids will realize that the
relationship was sabotaged by the Church. Woe be to the Church, then. They
set themselves up with enemies. Quite stupid, really.
> The way the Church breaks up families is
>> astonishingly painful and so objectionable I can't believe they get away
>> with it.
> Me neither! Religious Freedom? MY ASS.
Well, freedom to train and audit is one thing, I agree with that, but
freedom to destroy families through lies and manipulation is quite another.
> If I were the vengeance-seeking type, I long ago would be locked
>> up and feeling happy.
>
> Understood.....................all I can say is Karma IS out there,
> and every person who allows this kind of abuse can count
> on their own Karma biting them back hard.
That is a comforting idea.
> As impossible as it may seem, I wish your family soon be back together,
> one way....or the other!
Well, I imagine at least one of my children will be willing to fix things up
between us, but the other is probably out of reach until some sort of major
event happens to clue him in. And the ex-wife is not someone I'd want back,
at this point. Her level of betrayal and willingness to act to destroy me
over a long period of time as well as acting to prevent her children from
having their father is... inexcusable.
Thanks for your humanity!
realpch
<snip>
Ugh! Are you like this on all the message boards? Please tell me yes, so
that Claire will stop talking about you.
Peach
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morgan
every thread into your personal battle with him. I used to enjoy your
posts because you are very funny and kinda crazy. Now I'm thinking
you're kinda funny and very crazy.
This thread is an important one. Scientology's practice of
disconnection is destructive and wrong. It hurts many people. It almost
destroyed Tory's relationship with her mom, and Ida's son is still
disconnected from her. There's lots more. People reading ars might stop
reading posts that you post to. There is enough distraction with the
psych spammers.
Thanks
Playfullminx
Is that for me? I don't know any other boards except this one...who is
claire?
Playfullminx
morgan wrote:
> Playfullminx, I know you're mad at Kevin, but you don'thave to turn
> every thread into your personal battle with him. I used to enjoy your
> posts because you are very funny and kinda crazy. Now I'm thinking
> you're kinda funny and very crazy.
>
> This thread is an important one. Scientology's practice of
> disconnection is destructive and wrong. It hurts many people. It almost
> destroyed Tory's relationship with her mom, and Ida's son is still
> disconnected from her. There's lots more. People reading ars might stop
> reading posts that you post to. There is enough distraction with the
> psych spammers.
>
> Thanks
Hi Morgan,
thakns for the post. Let's clear something up. I'm not mad at anyone.
Especially Kevin. I don't particularly like Kevin, or things that I
have seen him post about - but I'm far from mad at him. He is the one
that pulled me into this one-on-one. I'm just going with the flow.
I do tend to like to be funny and crazy - but at the same time, lest
people think I'm some sort of light weight and push over...I'll stand
toe-to-toe at the drop of a dime. And I tend not to let things go.
Like a wild dog (which is kinda ironic, seeing as how Hubbard put more
honor in wild beasts than he did in humans). But I digress.
I totally agree that this thread (as well as a host of others) are
important. I totally understand and agree that the policy of
disconnection is os destructive and wrong. And, although I've never
lost anyone due to disconnection, I can empathize with those who have.
But lets not forget that disconnection is one piece of the CoS pie that
is destructive and wrong. lets not forget that, from my perspective,
every aspect of what they are doing is harmful, destructive and wrong.
My posts, jumping on Kevin or anyone else including the spammers...if
read...show that I'm trying not to take my focus off the reason I'm
here - which is to post the opposite of anyone who says that there is
anything positive connected with Scientology.
It's that plain and simple.
Kevin doesn't seem to understand that. Kevin doesn't seem to
understand that this is my point of view and I will stop at nothing to
be able to voice it. If that means that I have to wade in the muck,
line for line and say over and over and over again what I believe, then
that is what I'm going to do.
Far too often, in the short time that I've been here, I've seen posts
and opinions loose their focus because some, like Kevin, that crazy
Barbara person, and a few others like to pull posts apart, harp on
misspelled words, or do whatever they can do to pull the focus away
from the intent of the post.
I can understand that tactic. But it doesn't work on me. Or I should
say, I'll turn it around in a heart beat - and get back on track
quickly. I won't be trampled on. Please don't mistake what I'm about
to say...but if someone gets to a point that they don't want to read
what I have to say - so be it. That is not going to stop me from
saying it.
That is not going to stop me from saying what I think is
important....for me, anyway. A lot of people seem to think that things
in life are some kind of a personality contest. That you have to
please the most amount of people in order to get anywhere.
I don't think that way. Never have - never will.
So you see, with Kevin - I'm really having fun. It's playtime. I
think I had made that point very clear with him. I think I made my
hobby plans plain....and to add to it - if and when I have the time,
I'm going to do the exact same thing the spammers do (with their
anti-psych crap) with my thoughts and views on how destructive
Scientology is.
If someone doesn't like what I have to say - change the channel. But
that is not going to stop me from saying. Kevin just messed up. He
stepped to me not fully undestanding who he was stepping to. And his
little itty bitty feelings got hurt.
Ha. Deal with it.
Yeah, disconnection is a horrible thing. People killing themself
because they can't deal with it should be a crime. I personally feel
that Scientology should be outlawed. But I will be damned if I'm going
to have someone on a message board step to me like I'm some kind of a
punk bitch and want to have a war of words.
Oh I'll win every single time. Why? Cause I don't play fair. And to
me...it's all a game. A game I've been playing for a very long time.
I've gotten very good at it. And, with Kevin anyway....I'm just
getting warmed up.
Yeah....I think this is a very serious topic - thus non of my funny
puns and off the wall humor. I think this is deadly serious. And I'm
not about to allow anyone, surely the likes of Kevin of FluffBall to
pull me away from that message.
So, thanks again for your post about me and my posts....but - it's just
getting started and it will be a wonder to behold when I get up to
speed.
And, lastly, before I forget or if I haven't stressed it enough - if
people on ARS want to stop reading posts from me - so be it. I don't
think I'm posting them for anyone except me. If someone happens to
gleen something useful from them...fine. If someone happens to think I
say things in a funny (haahaa funny)...that's fine. If someone gets
pissed off over the fact that I think Scientology is a criminal cult
and full of insane morons...well, laa-di-da and so what!
It's my opinion. It's my voice. And I'm going to use it.
At least it's better than spam.
Now....I'm gonna go make a sandwich cause I just worked up an appitite.
Simkatu
> If you want to, and don't know where to go, or what to do,
> GIVE ME A CALL!
Thanks for sharing your moving story.
Thanks for all that you do.
--
Simkatu
Magoo
"Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:44ac6950$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
You're most welcome. It's my view if my stories can help
one person (which they already have, many).....I'm thrilled to
take the *Crap* from OSA. Aren't they just the sickest?
I'm ever amazed, and they prove to me almost daily how correct
I was to leave.
My best to you :)
Tory/Magoo~~
>
> --
> Simkatu
>
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
> > Playfullminx wrote:
<snip>
> > > But yet and still, Kevvie, you want to profess that there is some good
> > > that can come of crazy Layfette's words that produced Scientology. In
> > > my book, you are no better than an OSA agent or cult member who helped
> > > people kill themself or had a hand in killing people like Lisa
> > > McPherson.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Ugh! Are you like this on all the message boards? Please tell me yes, so
> > that Claire will stop talking about you.
> >
> >
> > Peach
> claire?
Yes, that was for you. Essentially I was saying, "Are you like this all
the time, or is this a special performance for this board?" Claire is
Fluffy.
Magoo
<ida...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1152118840....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Sten-Arne Zerpe wrote:
>> On 5 Jul 2006 13:22:06 -0000.
>> In the Newsgroup(s): alt.religion.scientology
>> With the Message-ID: <31G4RDYV3890...@twistycreek.com>
>> And the Organization Header: mail...@dizum.com.
>> The famous author: TwistyCreek <an...@comments.header>.
>> Wrote on the subject: Re: "You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide":
>>
>> >>"You Can Run, But you Cannot Hide"
>> >
>> >You can call me a liar all you like but it won't change anything you've
>> >told me. The people you said these things to will *know* - even if they
>> >don't *say* anything. They are not stupid, Tory.
>> >
>>
>> Snip
>>
>> Wugga?
>>
>
>
> Thank you Tory for thinking of all the Mothers and Fathers who have
> lost their loved ones
> to Hubbards satanic evil cult.
You are most welcome, Ida, and I am always thinking of
you and your son (who she hasn't seen in 30 y e a r s....who
is a member of this CULT of Scientology), when I mention
the families.
Disconnection is horrible but when a
> suicide is involved
> it is much worse. I am in touch with one couple whose son commit
> suicide -they have
> worked hard over the years to expose $cientology and how it breaks up
> families and
> ruins lives.
Agreed...........it's horrific for all involved, and way too many people
suffer from such actions.
> My son spends five days a week on a dialysis machine due to the fact
> he
> wasted two years (and lots of money ) going to Clearwater to be
> "cured". Luckily he
> had friends who got him to a legitimate doctor where he needed 8
> transfusions to survive. Guess that OT8 crappola didn't do much for his
> health.
Isn't it amazing? Yet he still clings to that "hope" that maybe,
just maybe..........something will crack. The sad truth is, factually,
he's gotten much worse, the higher he's gone on the Bridge to Total
Freedom. Freedom? Yea, right! He's a perfect example,
and thank you for reminding people of his situation, no matter
how painful it is to write about.
>
> His birthday was yesterday , He was 65 years old and still an avid
> believer.
Awwwwwwwwww..........that hurts.
He has
> truly disconnected from me.
That ~~really~~Hurts!
I made the usual cake that was his favorite
> and my grand
> daughter and her family enjoyed it.
You're the best, Mom, you really are!
> I remember the good times when he was normal and many Sundays when he
> and his
> family came from the mountains where they spent week ends they would
> stop by, the
> kids would swim in the pool, I would have dinner for them and of course
> I looked forward
> to every week end they could come. (The old red-headed satinist took
> care of that).
Damn that sucks, but bless you for ALL that you have done,
which has helped so many, self included!
>
> Life goes on and I find the SP status is one I can live with.
Live with? You should be proud of it, Mom. You of all people are someone
most of us hope we will be even somewhat like.
Your life, your spunk, your tenacity is terrific!
However I
> must continue to
> fulfil my promise to the late and Honorable Cong. Leo Ryan.
Yes!
>
> And you Twisty need help. We all understand a "spy" is slipped in on us
> and most of
> us, including Tory have no problem handling them. You prolly had extra
> time in the
> TR courses as your sickness is showing.
Excellent points!
Thanks Ida....I love you :)
Tory/Magoo~~
Kevin Brady
What's amazing is that the cult can survive after cutting away so many of
it's highest functioning parts, or failing to recover those who left due to
their functional conscience.
>> My son spends five days a week on a dialysis machine due to the fact
>> he
>> wasted two years (and lots of money ) going to Clearwater to be
>> "cured". Luckily he
>> had friends who got him to a legitimate doctor where he needed 8
>> transfusions to survive. Guess that OT8 crappola didn't do much for his
>> health.
Nope, addressing valences is unlikely to do much for your physical health.
They should be shot for misrepresenting what the tech can do (and failing to
say what the tech CAN do to a person, negatively, if they are not carefully
guarded against those effects).
> Isn't it amazing? Yet he still clings to that "hope" that maybe,
> just maybe..........something will crack. The sad truth is, factually,
> he's gotten much worse, the higher he's gone on the Bridge to Total
> Freedom. Freedom? Yea, right! He's a perfect example,
> and thank you for reminding people of his situation, no matter
> how painful it is to write about.
I've never heard about his case before. That is terrible. Certainly,
Hubbard and the Church have lied about their ability to help diabetics, and
various other physical health conditions in the past. It's one of the
reasons I'm happy to fight them into dissolution.
>> His birthday was yesterday , He was 65 years old and still an avid
>> believer.
> Awwwwwwwwww..........that hurts.
Well, he'd qualify as an "old-timer" in his own right. That makes Ida a
damned respectable "elder" in my view. Had I known the extent of her life
experience and personal experience with regard to the Church, in the past, I
would have afforded her opinions a lot more weight.
> He has
>> truly disconnected from me.
> That ~~really~~Hurts!
I know that feeling. It does ~~really~~ hurt. Especially since he should
know better, being no spring chicken, himself.
> I made the usual cake that was his favorite
>> and my grand
>> daughter and her family enjoyed it.
>
> You're the best, Mom, you really are!
I'm glad someone got to enjoy the cake. I hope that there were intentions
all around for him to wake up from the spell.
>> I remember the good times when he was normal and many Sundays when he
>> and his
>> family came from the mountains where they spent week ends they would
>> stop by, the
>> kids would swim in the pool, I would have dinner for them and of course
>> I looked forward
>> to every week end they could come. (The old red-headed satinist took
>> care of that).
> Damn that sucks, but bless you for ALL that you have done,
> which has helped so many, self included!
>>
>> Life goes on and I find the SP status is one I can live with.
> Live with? You should be proud of it, Mom. You of all people are someone
> most of us hope we will be even somewhat like.
> Your life, your spunk, your tenacity is terrific!
I've benefited from reading everything you've written, Ida. Despite the
fact that some of it has been perceived by me as invective, most of your
story and your writings are highly respected by me, and quite indicative of
how the Church treats people who should be their most venerated.
> However I
>> must continue to
>> fulfil my promise to the late and Honorable Cong. Leo Ryan.
> Yes!
What was that promise. All I know of Ryan was that he fought for clarity
with regards to the Jim Jones business.
>> And you Twisty need help. We all understand a "spy" is slipped in on us
>> and most of
>> us, including Tory have no problem handling them. You prolly had extra
>> time in the
>> TR courses as your sickness is showing.
>
> Excellent points!
I have a horrible time recognizing spies. When I was in the military, last,
they had planted a spy to watch me, concerned that I was a
scientology/communist mole. I never recognized it until a good friend
confessed to me that he had been contracted to watch me and report on me.
They are sometimes tough to spot if well-trained. Luckily, I've always
followed the maxim of having clean hands to avoid having to worry about
watching eyes.
> Thanks Ida....I love you :)
Best of luck to you, Ida. I hope your son recovers his wits. It's terrible
that someone that mature can still be manipulated by the Church. It makes
me feel rather hopeless about my own teen children. But I'm glad you have
your free perspective, and hope to see more of your writing in the future.
Ball of Fluff
Playfullminx wrote:
>
> Yeah, disconnection is a horrible thing. People killing themself
> because they can't deal with it should be a crime. I personally feel
> that Scientology should be outlawed. But I will be damned if I'm going
> to have someone on a message board step to me like I'm some kind of a
> punk bitch and want to have a war of words.
>
> Oh I'll win every single time. Why? Cause I don't play fair. And to
> me...it's all a game. A game I've been playing for a very long time.
> I've gotten very good at it. And, with Kevin anyway....I'm just
> getting warmed up.
Uh huh. Well, I've been on this board for 8 years and have talked to
all sorts of people. They come, they go, I'm still here.
It's not a problem.
>
> Yeah....I think this is a very serious topic - thus non of my funny
> puns and off the wall humor. I think this is deadly serious. And I'm
> not about to allow anyone, surely the likes of Kevin of FluffBall to
> pull me away from that message.
I'm not trying to pull anyone away from any message.
Unless the message is that blah blah freak blah blah misfit.
The message of the board, though, is to discuss the problems in CofS,
Scn, Hubbard's lies and life and times, etc.
This is something I endorse.
> C
Playfullminx
Ball of Fluff wrote:
> Uh huh. Well, I've been on this board for 8 years and have talked to
> all sorts of people. They come, they go, I'm still here.
>
> It's not a problem.
> I'm not trying to pull anyone away from any message.
>
> Unless the message is that blah blah freak blah blah misfit.
>
> The message of the board, though, is to discuss the problems in CofS,
> Scn, Hubbard's lies and life and times, etc.
>
> This is something I endorse.
That didn't even make any sense, ya dumb bitch. Next time...in your 8
years of experience...why don't you try to write something that makes
sense and isn't boring. You really are one boring dumb freak bitch,
arent you.
But you can't help yourself, little fluffy. If you think the message
is to discuss the problems in and not the problem of....you are one
twisted little fluffball.
Dumbass.
Nec_V20
Tory,
you and I are having E-Mail exchanges. It seems that Umike's
recollection is better than yours.
As soon as he gives me permission I will post all of it here on ARS in
entirety.
You opened the door, because you carbon-copied Andreas into our
exchange. So don't even try to insinuate that I would be doing anything
wrong.
thorazin...@gmail.com
You ever wonder why nobody likes you?
Nec_V20
Not really. I tend to be someone who you can say it to, to my face, and
if you are right I might even agree.
Your own problems with people not liking you are hardly my concern.
thorazin...@gmail.com
That fact that you chose this, of all threads, to attempt to fuck with
Tory, of all people, is quite telling.
It tells, loudly, that you're either (A.) a clam, or (B.) a sad little
cunt of a man in search of drama. There is no C.
Oh, and I have no problems with people liking me. I'm generally well
received in person, as well as online.
You, on the other hand, seem to be universally disliked wherever you
go, at least from what I have read. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
barbz
> X-No-Archive: Yes
> internet, champion of message board freedom and assaulter of women as
> you admitted in your own words.
>
> What a "man"!
>
> ~Lord Xenu~
>
Bikers respect and fear him.
--
"I'm for the separation of church and hate."
Barb
Chaplain, ARSCC(wdne)
xenu...@netscape.net
realpch
Maybe we should all start writing Andreas, begging him to take you back.