how do you pray?
Dennis L Erlich
I was happy to hear that you'd been seeking to make contact with God
thru prayer.
I know it's can be very private subject, but if there is anything you
can share about what you do when you're getting set to pray, or what
you say or think *while* praying ...
... I for one, would love to hear about it.
Be well,
D
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"Save my soul from evil, Lord
And heal this soldier's heart
I'll trust in Thee to keep me, Lord
I'm done with Bonaparte" - Mark Knopfler
xenufrance
"Dennis L Erlich" <info...@informer.org> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> Hay Fluff,
>
> I was happy to hear that you'd been seeking to make contact with God
> thru prayer.
>
> I know it's can be very private subject, but if there is anything you
> can share about what you do when you're getting set to pray, or what
> you say or think *while* praying ...
>
> ... I for one, would love to hear about it.
you meant, you'd like to know what sort of godspulates she's s doing? ;-))
r
Voltaire's
> HayFluff,
>
> I was happy to hear that you'd been seeking to make contact with God
> thru prayer.
>
> I know it's can be very private subject, but if there is anything you
> can share about what you do when you're getting set to pray, or what
> you say or think *while* praying ...
>
> ... I for one, would love to hear about it.
>
I never completely lost the habit of praying, even when I was in CofS.
Started doing it a lot more after I left.
A couple weeks ago I was asking--god, the force, whatever it is (I'm
not worried about quantifying it) for something...some help -- I
wasn't *upset* but felt something needed to be resolved. I got a
feeling of peace and an answer- not a voice, I don't hear voices- but
like a thought put into my head : "let go of the past and I will help
you". This can be a tall order for me, as you guys know. I can hold on
to grudges, etc. But I had the feeling that it was just asking me to
do my best, so that's what I did.
Then a couple things happened soon after that, that were pretty
special. This decision to not be a non CofS Scn'ist/indie Scn'ist was
one of them.
I'm sure my Mom (a devout Catholic but one who always emphasized God
as a God of LOVE) would be very pleased. She thought I'd squeak into
Heaven on a technicality, anyway.
Claire
Voltaire's
> "Dennis L Erlich" <infor...@informer.org> a écrit dans le message de news:
> fklof55makc6icq3tr9h53qo9t9nabp...@4ax.com...
>
> > HayFluff,
>
> > I was happy to hear that you'd been seeking to make contact with God
> > thru prayer.
>
> > I know it's can be very private subject, but if there is anything you
> > can share about what you do when you're getting set to pray, or what
> > you say or think *while* praying ...
>
> > ... I for one, would love to hear about it.
>
> you meant, you'd like to know what sort of godspulates she's s doing? ;-))
>
LOL!
C
Dennis L Erlich
>you meant, you'd like to know what sort of godspulates she's s doing? ;-))
Heh, good Juan!
Dennis L Erlich
>I never completely lost the habit of praying, even when I was in CofS.
>Started doing it a lot more after I left.
I used to pray when I was a little kid. And later as a teen. Usually
when I was in great anguish and needed relief.
In the cult; not at all. We knew that Big Thetan was really Elrong.
And that our concept of a Godthetan Type Entity was just part of the
R6 Implant.
We were happy to spend our time and money auditing our little body
thetans. But never once were we encourage to seek God. To try to
communicate with God.
Nuttin honey.
>A couple weeks ago I was asking--god, the force, whatever it is (I'm
>not worried about quantifying it) for something...some help -- I
>wasn't *upset* but felt something needed to be resolved.
Did you get the sense while you were praying that Someone was
listening?
>I got a
>feeling of peace and an answer- not a voice,
>I don't hear voices- but
>like a thought put into my head : "let go of the past and I will help
>you".
Ah. There was an "I" on the other end?
>This can be a tall order for me, as you guys know. I can hold on
>to grudges, etc. But I had the feeling that it was just asking me to
>do my best, so that's what I did.
I always find contact with God to be comforting and reassuring.
>Then a couple things happened soon after that, that were pretty
>special. This decision to not be a non CofS Scn'ist/indie Scn'ist was
>one of them.
Yah, and that's a cool thing.
>I'm sure my Mom (a devout Catholic but one who always emphasized God
>as a God of LOVE) would be very pleased. She thought I'd squeak into
>Heaven on a technicality, anyway.
For sure, kid. You got what it takes.
D
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"Well, if we go to heaven
and some say we don't
but if there's a reckoning day
please God, I'll see you
and maybe I won't
I've a bag packed to go either way." - M. Knopfler
slobeck
ethnocentric to a particular viewpoint and some more abstract and
general. For instance working in a garden caring for plants, or
children is a form of prayer. So is talking to the flying spaghetti
monster. I chant. But im a vocal person and for me it gets me to that
place that I think all those who pray are trrying to tap into. The
highest potential of ourselves as people. Peace and harmony in our
environments. I'm glad that prayer can take so many forms. The
expression of awe in the face of the massiveness of the universe is a
good and necessary thing.
sl�
Sprach Z
> Hay Fluff,
>
> I was happy to hear that you'd been seeking to make contact with God
> thru prayer.
>
> I know it's can be very private subject, but if there is anything you
> can share about what you do when you're getting set to pray, or what
> you say or think *while* praying ...
>
> ... I for one, would love to hear about it.
>
> Be well,
> D
Truly heart rendering. How simply praying can be so transformatively
goodness evoking.
After a simple prayer, one came transform from a devil, saying such as
"And BTW, someone told me ... I don't recall who ... that Lerma
routinely sucked Minton off ... and swallowed.
And I believe it!"
To a benevolent angelic reverend with eyes cast into God's heaven.
I just one day! The power of prayer. It's inspiring Mr. Erhlich.
Dennis L Erlich
>I think prayer can take so many forms.
Yes, and that fascinates me.
>Some very denominational and
>ethnocentric to a particular viewpoint and some more abstract and
>general.
I guess the kind I'm more familiar with is the kind that is addressed
to God.
>For instance working in a garden caring for plants, or
>children is a form of prayer.
Those certainly can be a form of peaceful meditation.
>So is talking to the flying spaghetti
>monster.
Or Bob.
>I chant. But im a vocal person and for me it gets me to that
>place that I think all those who pray are trrying to tap into. The
>highest potential of ourselves as people.
Yah, well said. I call that my Higher Self.
>Peace and harmony in our
>environments.
Prayer does seem to calm things down and smooth the rough waters of
our thoughts.
>I'm glad that prayer can take so many forms. The
>expression of awe in the face of the massiveness of the universe is a
>good and necessary thing.
>
>sl�
I'm for that, slo.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara Schwarz
Voltaire's Child
"Dennis L Erlich" <info...@informer.org> wrote in message
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> "Voltaire's" <Voltair...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> We were happy to spend our time and money auditing our little body
> thetans. But never once were we encourage to seek God. To try to
> communicate with God.
>
> Nuttin honey.
I remember some people talking about tapping into the 7th Dynamic, but,
mostly, yeah, it was auditing. And courses.
Oh, and don't forget the fucking fundraisers.
I think Hubbard thought that praying would put a person "at effect".
>
>>A couple weeks ago I was asking--god, the force, whatever it is (I'm
>>not worried about quantifying it) for something...some help -- I
>>wasn't *upset* but felt something needed to be resolved.
>
> Did you get the sense while you were praying that Someone was
> listening?
Yes.
I've had that feeling before, too, but sometimes it's stronger than other
times.
>
>>I got a
>>feeling of peace and an answer- not a voice,
>>I don't hear voices- but
>>like a thought put into my head : "let go of the past and I will help
>>you".
>
> Ah. There was an "I" on the other end?
Yes.
>
>>This can be a tall order for me, as you guys know. I can hold on
>>to grudges, etc. But I had the feeling that it was just asking me to
>>do my best, so that's what I did.
>
> I always find contact with God to be comforting and reassuring.
>
>>Then a couple things happened soon after that, that were pretty
>>special. This decision to not be a non CofS Scn'ist/indie Scn'ist was
>>one of them.
>
> Yah, and that's a cool thing.
>
>>I'm sure my Mom (a devout Catholic but one who always emphasized God
>>as a God of LOVE) would be very pleased. She thought I'd squeak into
>>Heaven on a technicality, anyway.
>
> For sure, kid. You got what it takes.
>
>
Awww, you're sweet.
C
Dennis L Erlich
yhn
>> We were happy to spend our time and money auditing our little body
>> thetans. But never once were we encourage to seek God. To try to
>> communicate with God.
>> Nuttin honey.
fluff
>I remember some people talking about tapping into the 7th Dynamic, but,
>mostly, yeah, it was auditing. And courses.
Mostly? In my 15 yrs in the cult I never heard anyone recommend
prayer. Especially not Elrong. He only ridiculed worship as an
implanted practice.
>Oh, and don't forget the fucking fundraisers.
Money for nothin'. Donated to harass critics.
>I think Hubbard thought that praying would put a person "at effect".
An essential part of prayer is faith. And faith depends on the
ability to wait for results. Waiting is very low on the tone scale
Elrong pulled outta his ass. Just above death.
Being "at cause," taking control and exerting responsibility using the
tek; that is the only way Elrong said you could achieve god-like
abilities and eternal life.
Faith has nothing to do with it, according to him.
Voltaire's
> "Voltaire'sChild" <Voltaires_Ch...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> yhn
>
> >> We were happy to spend our time and money auditing our little body
> >> thetans. But never once were we encourage to seek God. To try to
> >> communicate with God.
> >> Nuttin honey.
>
> fluff
>
> >I remember some people talking about tapping into the 7th Dynamic, but,
> >mostly, yeah, it was auditing. And courses.
>
> Mostly? In my 15 yrs in the cult I never heard anyone recommend
> prayer. Especially not Elrong. He only ridiculed worship as an
> implanted practice.
Right. I didn't mean through prayer.
>
> >Oh, and don't forget the fucking fundraisers.
>
> Money for nothin'. Donated to harass critics.
Yep.
>
> >I think Hubbard thought that praying would put a person "at effect".
>
> An essential part of prayer is faith. And faith depends on the
> ability to wait for results. Waiting is very low on the tone scale
> Elrong pulled outta his ass. Just above death.
Well, also, with prayer, you're asking for something, you're not
"setting a postulate" or deciding- you're assigning cause.
But the way *I* look at it is that with prayer, even if one doesn't
believe in the traditional Judeo-Christian god, or even a Hindu one,
one is communicating with something outside oneself. And one doesn't
*have* to have a clear idea- like, oh, now I'm praying to Jesus or
Mary- one can just pray without having an entity in mind. I feel that
I *did* contact something. I do. But I don't think it's like what they
taught me about in catechism.
>
> Being "at cause," taking control and exerting responsibility using the
> tek; that is the only way Elrong said you could achieve god-like
> abilities and eternal life.
>
> Faith has nothing to do with it, according to him.
True.
C