Photo of John Aczel, an earlier period recipient of one of David Miscavige's irrational temper tantrums
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
John Aczel. One of the longest term Sea Org members, along with that
other elderly gentleman, Wally Burgess in one of the photos at the
beginning of this long photo stream, . John was Oxford educated, he's
been up and down the command chart, used to be a WDC member, and John
Aczel was the unfortunate recipient of one of David Miscavige's temper
tantrums, where Miscavige ignorantly executed L. Ron Hubbard's
scathing but figurative command "....and if you see John Aczel, spit
on him for me...." Miscavige was the then dutiful little bastard Sea
Org Commodore's Messenger, in 1982, when Miscavige rose to the top of
the heap, and Miscavige executed this scathing Hubbard comment on dear
John Aczel, a truly good guy.
Huge stories in this man's head, along with the other Sea Org patron,
Wally Burgess, who himself was ranked a Sea Org Commander, awarded
some of his officer ranks by Hubbard himself. Hope John writes
someday of his Sea Org decades, he must be close to 40 years, like
Wally, of Sea Org duty.
R. Hill
Is it the same guy reported in Vicki Aznaran's affidavit?
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In 1981, I witnessed him hitting John Axel, a Sea Org member in the
mouth in 1982. Miscavige had two other tall male staff members to back
him up when he hit *John Axel*. This despite the fact that John Axel is
a fairly small and very mild-mannered individual. Miscavige also does
such things as set up photos of staff members who have fallen into
disregard and use them as targets for pistol shooting.
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"chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckb...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de
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illustrates the way one good guy with one good edication can be lied to for
decades without himself being able to see what the true porpose of the scam
artist was...
r
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
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Yes. His name is Aczel, not Axel though. This is indeed the same
man!
Chuck
Eldon
wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/64beft
>
> John Aczel. One of the longest term Sea Org members, along with that
> other elderly gentleman, Wally Burgess in one of the photos at the
> beginning of this long photo stream, . John was Oxford educated, he's
> been up and down the command chart, used to be a WDC member, and John
> Aczel was the unfortunate recipient of one of David Miscavige's temper
> tantrums, where Miscavige ignorantly executed L. Ron Hubbard's
> scathing but figurative command "....and if you see John Aczel, spit
> on him for me...." Miscavige was the then dutiful little bastard Sea
> Org Commodore's Messenger, in 1982, when Miscavige rose to the top of
> the heap, and Miscavige executed this scathing Hubbard comment on dear
> John Aczel, a truly good guy.
You can say he's a good guy. He might have been well-educated, and all
that. But where's the limit?
Why doesn't DM spit on John Travolta, just as one example?
peters...@gmail.com
Because Miscavige is a coward and an a**hole?
Peter
"Another point directly in the interest of keeping the general public
to
the general public communication line is good odor: It is vitally
important that a Scientologist put into action and overtly keep in
action Article 4 of the Code: "I pledge myself to punish to the
fullest
extent of my power anyone misusing or degrading Scientology to harmful
ends."
[...]
- L. Ron Hubbard HCOPL 30 may 1974 Magazine Article on Level 0
Checksheet
Black Mamba
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I met John Aczel in New York at FOLO EUS and I also met his wife at the time
{I forgot her name, thin girl, long hair, real long drawling laugh}.
I don't know what to make of them.
She {his wife} told me that she was audited by LRH personally on the Apollo
when LRH was doing the L-10 pilot rundowns.
Wally Burgess was still at Flag when I was there. I guess he isn't anymore
according to these facts above.
Larry
{LaserClam Is Like A Pit Viper!}
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Left to right: Richard (?) hungarian who works in the Landlord Office,
Shiela Chaleff OSA Int, she's been camera person and done TV PR work
for OSA over the years
Wally Burgess, along with John Aczel, long term Sea, the oldest or
second oldest Sea Org member still hanging in there. He's Australian
I think.
Duncan Grant, long term Sea Org member from Australia
Karen Hvass, long term Sea Org member from Sweden
Judy Fontana.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
was simultaneously spit on by Miscavige at that same moment, and the
feeling was that they screwed up so badly, that they deserved the
slugging and spitting Miscavige gave them.
You're talking Stockholm Sydrome. This is why we have cult experts
who understand how people are pushed to accept this.
This is cult Stockholm Syndrome stuff.
That John went to Oxford, he just lucked out, but that of course
doesn't mean anything other than he had that opportunity, and still
ended up where he is today.
He's the man though, who DM vented on, irrationally, and someday when
John gets out, we can ask him about the Miscavige incident.
benci...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I went through all your photos. Most of these people don't look
healthy or happy. I know they're going to work but I've worked at
places where you got on a company bus and was taken somewhere for the
job. We never walked single file and usually there was talking and
banter and laughing....these people look far, far away from being the
greatest communicators on the earth, etc.
If these are the types of folks who are supposed to be clearing the
planet -- logic and sanity please help us all. I also agree with your
comments but hope that any of these folks one day write about being a
Sea Org staffer.
SP4123105
>
> John Aczel. One of the longest term Sea Org members, along with that
> other elderly gentleman, Wally Burgess in one of the photos at the
> ...
> Huge stories in this man's head, along with the other Sea Org patron,
> Wally Burgess, who himself was ranked a Sea Org Commander, awarded
> some of his officer ranks by Hubbard himself. Hope John writes
> someday of his Sea Org decades, he must be close to 40 years, like
> Wally, of Sea Org duty.
I too hope that John as well as many others write someday of their Sea
Org sentence. Some day soon.
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
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I'm interested in encouraging some university scholars sociology types
that study cult behavior to look into this.
I quote Roy Wallis quotes I think important, as I continue through his
book.
Roy Wallis criticized LRH for the "substitutibility" predominant trend
in these Hubbard created bureaucracies.
Wallis says roughly speaking, you'd have to read him, but he says
Scientology's/Hubbard's bureaucracies (orgs and now these Sea Org
management echelons would be the target of his comments) are highly
bureaucratized and this causes this sort of callous looking upon one
another as just a person who can be substituted into any position.
That is absolutely borne out by a careful study of Hubbard's
"personnel" handling policies.
Particularly the Sea Org writings where Hubbard claims, falsely, that
we'd lived so many lives and done almost every conceivable job in the
universe in our pasts, that it is only a matter of "stepping up" and
taking on the challenge of any of the Sea Org or for that matter this
same data would apply broadly, although he wrote it to inspire and
spark Sea Org members in their taking on of the Sea Org positions,
this concept (false one) that we live and have done all jobs in the
universe in the past, is what causes this hopeful attitude about
accepting and attempting jobs in the organizations which NO ONE in HR
out here, would allow.
Really, a careful study of OEC Volume 1, the personnel hiring policies
of Hubbard's, and his Sea Org personnel writings, NEEDS TO BE STUDIED
and survey now the hundreds of exited ex Sea Org members on their
hindsight views on the validity of Hubbard's viewpoints.
Again, it is a case of Hubbard's imaginative science fictionesque
personal opinions turned into religious faith about past lives,
blended into his organizational policies, that have this final result
on the faces of these people you see walking, not so "in
communication" with one another, on their way to work, within the
confines of their VERY tightly controlled and time scheduled lives!
Is it worth the time to research and write on this. Obviously not.
NO one cares.
A suitable protest sign would be, to aim at the staff:
"HUBBARD'S HCO PERSONNEL POLICIES PROVEN HEARTLESSLY SCIENCE
FICTIONESQUELY FALSE BY SURVEY OF FORMER SEA ORG MEMBERS!! HUBBARD'S
POLICIEAS GRINDING UP SEA ORG STAFF TILL THEY ROUTE OUT OR BLOW!"
Eldon
wrote:
Hey Chuck, do you think that would work as a bumper strip as well as a
protest sign? ;-)
chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
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I'm shitty for short sentences sorry.
Maybe: "HUBBARD'S POLICIES SUCK. QUIT FAST!"
realpch
>
> On Dec 11, 12:26�ｿ*am, bencisc...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 11:58�ｿ*am, "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com" <chuckbeatt...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/64beft
> >
> > > John Aczel. One of the longest term Sea Org members, along with that
> > > other elderly gentleman, Wally Burgess in one of the photos at the
> > > beginning of this long photo stream, . John was Oxford educated, he's
> > > been up and down the command chart, used to be a WDC member, and John
> > > Aczel was the unfortunate recipient of one of David Miscavige's temper
> > > tantrums, where Miscavige ignorantly executed L. Ron Hubbard's
> > > on him for me...." Miscavige was the then dutiful little bastard Sea
> > > Org Commodore's Messenger, in 1982, when Miscavige rose to the top of
> > > the heap, and Miscavige executed this scathing Hubbard comment on dear
> > > John Aczel, a truly good guy.
> >
> > > Huge stories in this man's head, along with the other Sea Org patron,
> > > Wally Burgess, who himself was ranked a Sea Org Commander, awarded
> > > someday of his Sea Org decades, he must be close to 40 years, like
> > > Wally, of Sea Org duty.
> >
> > healthy or happy. �ｿ*I know they're going to work but I've worked at
> > places where you got on a company bus and was taken somewhere for the
> > banter and laughing....these people look far, far away from being the
> > greatest communicators on the earth, etc.
> >
> > If these are the types of folks who are supposed to be clearing the
Well if everybody can do anything, everyone is replaceable. Except L.
Ron Hubbard, right? He was the only one irreplaceable, because he was
Source. Excellent way to keep all the power in his hands and to make
sure the only permanently swollen head was his own.
Peach
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