Hats off to Gerry Armstrong.

chuckb...@aol.com

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Feb 7, 2005, 4:02:06 PM2/7/05

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Hi Gerry,

I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
to me is such a good example!!!! Like I said about 5 times already to
you, the fact that you are still fighting, still talking freely, THAT
IS SO IMPORTANT! That to me, has made the greatest impression on me.
Thank you very much for your persistence!!!

(When I finally routed out of the RPF in March 2003, and I started
looking on the Internet, to see who in the anti-Scn community was still
standing, I was SO happy to see you, free and talking! By reverse
logic, the Scn movement spent more $ and effort discrediting you than
ANY other critic, and that they didn't shut you down, THAT FACT ALONE
IS SUCH A UNDENIABLE THORN IN THEIR SIDE! Your every day's life is
history! Keep it up!!)

I am still slowly edging further and further out of the Scn mentality,
but I admittedly have not grasped fully, the importance and reality
that you gained over two decades ago, about the church's fraud. Just
re-reading your early 80's court decisions, as summarized by site
after site that mention it, it is slowly sinking in. (I have so many
justifications, mainly wog justifications that I have not been able to
shake free of, mainly.)

Amongst all the persons who pester you on ARS, believe me, there are
also people reading ARS now and there will always be people in the
years to come who read through all the internet postings and
information, and who grasp the bigger and important things and events
you have helped bring about, against the Scn movement.

Your continued speaking out freely, is a continuing ongoing historical
event. You are undeniably an ongoing living historical figure in
Scn's history. Hats off to you!

(I think the diversity of views and inter-critics criticism on ARS,
looking at all this on the positive side, reflects the freedom that
exists OUTSIDE the movement. This inter-critics criticism is part of
the bargain of having freedom of speech. The western wog world has
already been/there-done/that on trying to STOP people from dissenting
and speaking freely. Luckily the broader societies we find ourselves
in, allow us to speak out about the harmful aspects of the Scn
movement. We who know the Scn movement shuts down all forms of this
type of internal dissent, and we know they are trying to enforce this
on an ever increasing zone around them. These anti-free speech and
dissent suppression related policies of the Scn movement are themselves
the reasons why the movement will never succede and these anti-dissent
policies are reasons the movement continues to draw fire from the wog
world.)

I thank you again for your work and I wish you and Caroline well for
all the years to come.

Best, Chuck Beatty

friendship

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Feb 7, 2005, 4:38:25 PM2/7/05

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Dear Chuck,

It's interesting how the C of S just can't grasp that people have the
right to their own opinions and to express them.

Censorship anywhere threatens free speech anywhere.

There are certainly limits to free speech -- the classic one of it
being illegal to yell 'fire' in a crowded place when there is no fire.
But only when free speech threatens the health and safety of people on
an immediate basis should it be hindered.

But Scn management doesn't get that.

And it is ironic that Scn is attempting to launch a PR campaign
positioning itself as a defender of human rights! Hypocrisy knows no
bounds!

Spacetraveler

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Feb 7, 2005, 5:12:31 PM2/7/05

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<chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> Hi Gerry,
>
> I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
> mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
> to me is such a good example!!!! Like I said about 5 times already to
> you, the fact that you are still fighting, still talking freely, THAT
> IS SO IMPORTANT! That to me, has made the greatest impression on me.
> Thank you very much for your persistence!!!
>
> (When I finally routed out of the RPF in March 2003, and I started
> looking on the Internet, to see who in the anti-Scn community was still
> standing, I was SO happy to see you, free and talking! By reverse
> logic, the Scn movement spent more $ and effort discrediting you than
> ANY other critic, and that they didn't shut you down, THAT FACT ALONE
> IS SUCH A UNDENIABLE THORN IN THEIR SIDE! Your every day's life is
> history! Keep it up!!)

An history that involves amongst other, steeling, fabricating and lying.
It's even documented. I would not find that a person that runs away so
quickly from discussions should be attributed great posture. This is also
documented on the ARS.

Spacetraveler

Zinj

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Feb 7, 2005, 6:01:26 PM2/7/05

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In article <1107812305.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
frien...@ureach.com says...

Hi friendship, ignoring the hypocricy (very real; very Hubbardian) for
the moment, and despite the fact that I do agree with you on the
censorship issue completely, I think it's important to adequately credit
Scientology motives based on Scientology Belief.

In *that* sense, and according to Hubbard, Mankind is under imminent
threat. Mankind is doomed; *Unless* saved by Scientology.

There's a war on you know :)

It's the war between Mankind's Only Salvation and the 'Suppressives' or
the 'psychs' or the Marcabs or ...... (fill in the blank, as long as
Scientology is the *only* salvation)

If Scientology were only a mildly funky 'therapy' which 'makes people
feel better about themselves', there would be no excuse for censorship,
but, according to Hubbard and Scientology, that is not the case.

In times of war, such niceties as 'freedom of speech' *must* take a back
seat. To publish the list of your secret agents in the enemy camp *is*
treasonous. To disclose troop movements publicly *is* treasonous. To
give aid and comfort to 'the enemy' *is* treason.

If anything about Hubbard's claims about the dire state of Mankind and
Scientology's solution for it is *true*, then censorship is not only
excusable, but *essential*!!!

If it's *not* true, then it's of course abhorent and repugnant and
damnable.

If the cause is 'just' in the measure that Hubbard claims, then
literally *anything* done in its name is justifiable, including lying,
silencing, controlling, manipulating and even murder.

It's even reasonable to categorize anyone saying *anything* that might
'depopularize the cause' as 'Enemy' (something still lamentably popular
among some of the more scientological of scientology critics).

Anyway, and rule of thumb:

If Hubbard was just a guy who came up with some pseudo-scientific
'therapeutic' rituals that made people feel good about themselves, then
practically nothing about the organization's relationship to non-
Scientology is justifiable.

In fact, the *only* circumstance that justifies *any* of the Scientology
organization, not to mention its dubious Clearing of the Planet and all
the little evils that entails, is if Hubbard 'discovered' absolute truth
essential to Humanities existence.

If He did, even telling the truth is evil and must be suppressed, lest
it 'depopularize' or run 'counter' to Mankind's Only Salvation.

If not, it's damnable as a whole.

By the way frienship, I hope you're not getting the impression that I'm
condemning you, or even many of the well-meaning people in the FZ out of
hand. We certainly have disagreements, which I usually consider
enjoyable and legitimate grist for the discussion mill; whether the
discussion results in agreement or not.

Much as I feel about other discussion of religion or politics, which is
universally best described as people failing to recognize my absolute
insight and brilliant analysis as the 'only possible' :)

If I don't, or haven't answered some of your questions, it's almost
certainly a case of not enough time to address them completely or that I
avoid as far as possible (and for good reason) discussing my personal
life on ARS.

If you feel like emailing me, I'd be glad to address any questions at a
more leisurely pace than is possible on ARS :)

Zinj
--
You can lead a Clam to Reason, but you Can't Make him Think

Zinj

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Feb 7, 2005, 6:24:56 PM2/7/05

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In article <jJRNd.16708$d5.1...@newsb.telia.net>, spacetraveler2000
@hotmail.com says...

<snip>

> An history that involves amongst other, steeling, fabricating and lying.
> It's even documented. I would not find that a person that runs away so
> quickly from discussions should be attributed great posture. This is also
> documented on the ARS.
>
> Spacetraveler

And of course, *you* would never 'run away' from discussion.
You just remove it, and the person discussing from 'your system' :)

Magoo

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Gerry,
>>
>> I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
>> mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
>> to me is such a good example!!!! Like I said about 5 times already to
>> you, the fact that you are still fighting, still talking freely, THAT
>> IS SO IMPORTANT! That to me, has made the greatest impression on me.
>> Thank you very much for your persistence!!!
>>
>> (When I finally routed out of the RPF in March 2003, and I started
>> looking on the Internet, to see who in the anti-Scn community was still
>> standing, I was SO happy to see you, free and talking! By reverse
>> logic, the Scn movement spent more $ and effort discrediting you than
>> ANY other critic, and that they didn't shut you down, THAT FACT ALONE
>> IS SUCH A UNDENIABLE THORN IN THEIR SIDE! Your every day's life is
>> history! Keep it up!!)
>
> An history that involves amongst other, steeling, fabricating and lying.
> It's even documented. I would not find that a person that runs away so
> quickly from discussions should be attributed great posture. This is also
> documented on the ARS.
>
> Spacetraveler

What you "find" is of no interest to people searching for truth, and data
Scientology has spent millions of dollars to try to squash, hide, keep
hidden.

The same is true of this BS "Documentation" you refer to. I know this just
from myself. Hubbard said, 'If you say something enough times, people will
believe it". You are a great example of that, repeating your falsehoods,
over and over.

This is proven by their endless attacks on people such as Gerry who have
merely shown what Hubbard actually said and did, vs. Their hype. If it were
truly not true, why would any organization spend MILLIONS of dollars trying
to silence people? That tells the story.

Tory/Magoo~

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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Feb 7, 2005, 8:13:28 PM2/7/05

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|

| <chuckb...@aol.com> wrote in message
| news:1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| >
| >
| >
| > Hi Gerry,
| >
| > I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
| > mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
| > to me is such a good example!!!! Like I said about 5 times already to
| > you, the fact that you are still fighting, still talking freely, THAT
| > IS SO IMPORTANT! That to me, has made the greatest impression on me.
| > Thank you very much for your persistence!!!
| >
| > (When I finally routed out of the RPF in March 2003, and I started
| > looking on the Internet, to see who in the anti-Scn community was still
| > standing, I was SO happy to see you, free and talking! By reverse
| > logic, the Scn movement spent more $ and effort discrediting you than
| > ANY other critic, and that they didn't shut you down, THAT FACT ALONE
| > IS SUCH A UNDENIABLE THORN IN THEIR SIDE! Your every day's life is
| > history! Keep it up!!)
|
| An history that involves amongst other, steeling, fabricating and lying.

Bad mirroring, Space Chicken.

The Man Behind the Church: How Scientology Began
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056545.asp

Defending Against its Critics
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1055254.asp

What Scientologists Believe - and What Critics Say
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056579.asp

The Star Treatment
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050131/1067682.asp

Addiction Specialists Criticize Detoxification Program
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1051251.asp

Scientology Tests' Purpose and Validity are Questioned
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1008269.asp

Four-Part Series:
Enlightenment's Dark Side (1/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050130/1056567.asp

Being In, Breaking Out (2/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050131/1060672.asp

Helping Spread the Word (3/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050201/1064780.asp

Outside Critics are Unacceptable (4/4)
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050202/1064176.asp

Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"The anti-drug campaign sounds like a red herring to me - they are just
trying to promote Scientology in our schools. I really do not know why the
police are supporting them."
- A parent of a 15-year-old attending Secondary School in Westminster UK,
2004
*
"We would not for a moment consider allowing Scientologists to come into our
school."
- Joe Heggarty, governor of St Vincent's RC primary school, Westminster UK
* from The Wood & Vale newspaper, at http://tinyurl.com/5qmg4

roger gonnet

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Feb 8, 2005, 2:39:24 AM2/8/05

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<chuckb...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

>
>
>
> Hi Gerry,
>
> I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
> mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
> to me is such a good example!!!!

Indeed, Chuch, Gerry is one of the most penetrating minds having looked into
the Hubbard's craziness' depth. And one of the very few having deserved an
extraordinary mass of delicate attentions from the criminal cult.

They tried to kill him, to ruin him, to blackmail him, to sue him, and he's
still at it after more than two decades.

To paraphrase some hubbardian foolishness, that's asserting his
invulnerability (and his "OT" state :-))))

Spacetraveler

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Feb 8, 2005, 2:52:04 AM2/8/05

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"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Is that not EXACTLY what you do yourself? Making the above claim over and
over and over again?

YOUR falsehood has been exposed here:
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&threadm=WprNd.16620%24d5.135235%40n
ewsb.telia.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26selm%3DWprNd.16620%25
24d5.135235%2540newsb.telia.net

You got caught in your own words. You made a BIG, BIG mistake there...
meaning you slipped catastrophical...

> This is proven by their endless attacks on people such as Gerry who have
> merely shown what Hubbard actually said and did, vs. Their hype. If it
were
> truly not true, why would any organization spend MILLIONS of dollars
trying
> to silence people? That tells the story.

He was a thief, he got money, he broke his word, and still kept the money,
and he runs when confronted with someone who has detailed information about
things. He has shown down a variety of times when discussing with me.

Spacetraveler

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Feb 8, 2005, 2:53:31 AM2/8/05

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"roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net> wrote in message
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>
> <chuckb...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Gerry,
> >
> > I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
> > mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
> > to me is such a good example!!!!
>
> Indeed, Chuch, Gerry is one of the most penetrating minds having looked
into
> the Hubbard's craziness' depth. And one of the very few having deserved an
> extraordinary mass of delicate attentions from the criminal cult.
>
> They tried to kill him, to ruin him, to blackmail him, to sue him, and
he's
> still at it after more than two decades.

If they tried to kil him, then why is he still alive? Killing someone is
easy...

Spacetraveler

Genesis

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Feb 8, 2005, 3:16:38 AM2/8/05

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Doesn't the mafia also offer you a deal you can't refuse.
Gerry and others have the balls to go against this suppressive
cult, that thinks they can BUY silence. How sick !!!
You cannot suppress free speech.
Get it through your head.
The cult destroys lives, haven't you read the Buffalo News,
just another of the hundreds of stories of abuse and deception.
But of course I would not expect you to comment on the papers,
they are suppresive right ?

Genesis

> Spacetraveler
>
>

Spacetraveler

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Feb 8, 2005, 4:04:05 AM2/8/05

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"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So, and I have not??

> that thinks they can BUY silence. How sick !!!
> You cannot suppress free speech.
> Get it through your head.

Did I EVER say anything contrary to that?

> The cult destroys lives, haven't you read the Buffalo News,

So, that story is quite unclear about a variety of things. At least per the
articles that I have seen about it.

> just another of the hundreds of stories of abuse and deception.
> But of course I would not expect you to comment on the papers,
> they are suppresive right ?

You say that, I do not. You still haven't understood what I am 'bout, do
you? Leave the fairytales out of it...

Get it INTO YOUR HEAD that I DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT support the present
management of the CoS and what the official Church represents this day!!!!

Spacetraveler

Larry T.

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Feb 8, 2005, 4:11:13 AM2/8/05

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Spacetraveler:

The triangle of understanding can have two sides instead of three, each
measured in direct relationship to the other and the exact degree of
pressure exerted on each side by each of the triangles individual
geometrics.

Modern philosophers such as Will Durant postulated that this is because of
the relationship of man's direct presence on the Earth to that of stellar
alignments, discovered BEFORE the exact mathematical equation was
communicated and understood.

Larry T. @ http://larryontheweb.freeservers.com

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Spacetraveler

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Feb 8, 2005, 4:24:48 AM2/8/05

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snip

> >> What you "find" is of no interest to people searching for truth, and
data
> >> Scientology has spent millions of dollars to try to squash, hide, keep
> >> hidden.
> >>
> >> The same is true of this BS "Documentation" you refer to. I know this
> >> just
> >> from myself. Hubbard said, 'If you say something enough times, people
> >> will
> >> believe it". You are a great example of that, repeating your
falsehoods,
> >> over and over.
> >
> > Is that not EXACTLY what you do yourself? Making the above claim over
and
> > over and over again?
> >
> > YOUR falsehood has been exposed here:
> >
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&threadm=WprNd.16620%24d5.135235%40n

> Sorry, but my computer will not go here. Can you please just copy paste
> whatever it is you want to refer to?

Sorry, I dropped something on the way:
http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&threadm=WprNd.16620%24d5.135235%40n
ewsb.telia.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26selm%3DWprNd.16620%25
24d5.135235%2540newsb.telia.net

> I've tried with a few of your links, and they never go through. I don't
know
> why. I even copied that link and put it in Google..who also couldn't find
> it.

I usually check if the links work before I post them. I slipped with this
one.

>
> Just copy/paste it, so I know what you're talking about.
>
> Tory/Magoo~
> >
ewsb.telia.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26selm%3DWprNd.16620%25
> > 24d5.135235%2540newsb.telia.net
>
> Who's your top secrets to?

> >
> > You got caught in your own words. You made a BIG, BIG mistake there...
> > meaning you slipped catastrophical...
>

> I don't doubt I made some mistakes...this happens over time. Was it
> "Catastrophical"? To Who? So far it surely hasn't been to me, or any of my
> friends. Please post exactly what you feel is canastrophical.
>
> My guess is you live in a tiny world, if any post is that bad. So sorry.

We all live in a tiny world, it is as tiny as we make it to be.

Spacetraveler

Magoo

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Sorry, but my computer will not go here. Can you please just copy paste

whatever it is you want to refer to?

I've tried with a few of your links, and they never go through. I don't know
why. I even copied that link and put it in Google..who also couldn't find
it.

Just copy/paste it, so I know what you're talking about.

Tory/Magoo~
> ewsb.telia.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dsv%26lr%3D%26selm%3DWprNd.16620%25
> 24d5.135235%2540newsb.telia.net

Who's your top secrets to?
>

> You got caught in your own words. You made a BIG, BIG mistake there...
> meaning you slipped catastrophical...

I don't doubt I made some mistakes...this happens over time. Was it

"Catastrophical"? To Who? So far it surely hasn't been to me, or any of my
friends. Please post exactly what you feel is canastrophical.

My guess is you live in a tiny world, if any post is that bad. So sorry.

Tory/Magoo~

Magoo

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Sounds like you have some real experience in this, ST....eh?

also, word clear the word:
"Tried"

Then Clay Demo it.

Then go for a walk, and if you'd like,
have a cream soda. This hasn't been a great day for you, has it?

Tory/Magoo~
>
> Spacetraveler
>
>

Larry T.

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>
> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message

> news:4208...@news2.lightlink.com...

> You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there
> (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some
> doingness),
> then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some
> place),
> pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will
> have
> problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady
> or
> you'll miss altogether). Easy no?
>
Spacetraveler:

Black market lingo. Star talk baby.

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>
> "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net> wrote in message
> news:42086ca6$0$24736$626a...@news.free.fr...
>>
>> <chuckb...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> 1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >
>

> If they tried to kil him, then why is he still alive? Killing someone is
> easy...

indeed, but scientologists are not Oateas, and many (even you, from OSA...)
would not like to live in jail or be killed by scientology for the remaining
of their lives.

r

realpch

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Feb 8, 2005, 5:25:46 AM2/8/05

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I dunno. They're inept?

Peach

realpch

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Feb 8, 2005, 5:34:02 AM2/8/05

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Spacetraveler wrote:
>
> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:4208...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >

> You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there
> (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some doingness),
> then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some place),
> pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will have
> problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or
> you'll miss altogether). Easy no?
>
> Spacetraveler

Yeah yeah yeah. That part would be easy. The hard part would be getting
away with it. Thank god!

Peach

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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Bad mirroring again, dupe. NON-CONFRONT as well. FLUNK!

--
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net

Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism

* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*
* "Consider this officer lacking in the essential qualities of judgement,
leadership and cooperation. He acts without forethought as to probable
results... Not considered qualified for command or promotion at this time.
Recommend duty on a large vessel where he can be properly supervised."
* - US Navy Fitness Report Reprimanding L. Ron Hubbard

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|

The Space Chicken operative lives in fear of its handlers. And even more
fear of people finding out the truth via tha Buffalo News articles that are
just about everyplace on the web and in print now, despite the flaccid
attempts to "postulate" it all away.

It's less effective than Wile E. Coyote's "Help" sign when he's about to be
hit by a train etc. At least the coyote knows enough to ask for help. Not
so Space Chicken.

--
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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|
| "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message

| news:4208...@news2.lightlink.com...

| You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there
| (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some
doingness),
| then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some
place),
| pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will
have
| problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady
or
| you'll miss altogether). Easy no?

Behold the Scientologist brain. Based upon the logic used by the
Scientology cult's lawyers in Riverside it should be no trouble whatsoever
to apply a viable threat to Gerry Armstrong's life by this operative,
instructed by the cult itself. This is far more verifiable and solid than a
joke about a "Tom Cruise Missile", don't you think?

"She died. People die." is what Davey Miscabbage said about Lisa
McPherson's death at the hands of incompetent, malicious Scientologists -
but that's redundant isn't it?

--
http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net

Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism

* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way

you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*

"You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to them."
- UK Review of Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening"
*
"Scientology is evil; its techniques evil; its practice a serious threat to
the community medically, morally and socially; and its adherents sadly
deluded and often mentally ill."
- 1965 Report into Scientology by Australian Government

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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When your handlers gave it to you, huh?

But not the ones to the Buffalo News, eh dupe? Too frightening for you?

An OSA basement in other words.

Lady Chatterly

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Feb 8, 2005, 9:45:23 AM2/8/05

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In article <4208...@news2.lightlink.com>

>http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&threadm=WprNd.16620$d5.135235@n

>|
>|
>| > Sorry, but my computer will not go here. Can you please just copy paste
>| > whatever it is you want to refer to?
>|
>| Sorry, I dropped something on the way:
>|

>http://groups.google.se/groups?hl=sv&lr=&threadm=WprNd.16620$d5.135235@n
>|
>ewsb.telia.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups?hl=sv&lr=&selm=WprNd.16620%
>| 24d5....@newsb.telia.net

>
>When your handlers gave it to you, huh?

Lol.

>|
>| > I've tried with a few of your links, and they never go through. I don't
>| know
>| > why. I even copied that link and put it in Google..who also couldn't
>find
>| > it.
>|
>| I usually check if the links work before I post them. I slipped with this
>| one.
>
>But not the ones to the Buffalo News, eh dupe? Too frightening for you?

Here 's shellcode.

>| > Just copy/paste it, so I know what you're talking about.
>| >
>| > Tory/Magoo~
>| > >
>|

>ewsb.telia.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups?hl=sv&lr=&selm=WprNd.16620%
>| > > 24d5....@newsb.telia.net

>| >
>| > Who's your top secrets to?
>| > >
>| > > You got caught in your own words. You made a BIG, BIG mistake there...
>| > > meaning you slipped catastrophical...
>| >
>| > I don't doubt I made some mistakes...this happens over time. Was it
>| > "Catastrophical"? To Who? So far it surely hasn't been to me, or any of
>my
>| > friends. Please post exactly what you feel is canastrophical.
>| >
>| > My guess is you live in a tiny world, if any post is that bad. So sorry.
>|
>| We all live in a tiny world, it is as tiny as we make it to be.
>
>An OSA basement in other words.

Bravo dear.

--
Lady Chatterly

"LC pistol whips the poove" -- Peter Hood

Warrior

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Feb 8, 2005, 9:32:45 PM2/8/05

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In article <3F%Nd.129862$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net>, Spacetraveler
wrote:

>
>You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in
>there (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires
>some doingness), then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest),
>wait for him (at some place), pull your gun (does not require much
>musclepower), then aim (some will have problems with this), and
>finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or you'll miss altogether).
>Easy no?
>

>Spacetraveler

Do you want someone to shoot Gerry?

Warrior - Sunshine disinfects
"Scientology: it's about deception."
http://warrior.xenu.ca

Spacetraveler

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"Warrior" <war...@xenu.ca> wrote in message
news:117916365.0...@drn.newsguy.com...

> In article <3F%Nd.129862$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net>, Spacetraveler
> wrote:
> >
> >You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in
> >there (also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires
> >some doingness), then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest),
> >wait for him (at some place), pull your gun (does not require much
> >musclepower), then aim (some will have problems with this), and
> >finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or you'll miss
altogether).
> >Easy no?
> >
> >Spacetraveler
>
> Do you want someone to shoot Gerry?

Is not the issue here:
Tory:

"They tried to kill him, to ruin him, to blackmail him, to sue him, and he's
still at it after more than two decades.

Me:

"If they tried to kil him, then why is he still alive? Killing someone is
easy..."

Meaning why did the Church or someone not succeed?

Spacetraveler

Warrior

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Feb 9, 2005, 3:42:26 AM2/9/05

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Send complaints to ab...@telia.com and ab...@hotmail.com

Warrior
============================

In article <3F%Nd.129862$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net>, Spacetraveler

<spacetra...@hotmail.com> says...

>
>You see, take a gun (they are all over the place), put a bullet in there
>(also easy). Now locate the whereabouts of Gerry (requires some doingness),
>then go to him (take a plane, that's fastest), wait for him (at some place),
>pull your gun (does not require much musclepower), then aim (some will have
>problems with this), and finally pull the trigger..(keep your hand steady or
>you'll miss altogether). Easy no?
>
>Spacetraveler

Here are the full headers for Spacetraveler's post:

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Rev Norle Enturbulata

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Oh but it is, NOW. You have made a death threat in print online. Very
Hubbardian.

Have you ever known anyone else who made death threats?

Spacetraveler

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Feb 9, 2005, 6:50:21 AM2/9/05

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"Warrior" <war...@xenu.ca> wrote in message

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> Send complaints to ab...@telia.com and ab...@hotmail.com
>
> Warrior

Interesting, you attempt to get me out of the way without discussing
anything. This is logical because you have been weaseling out of our
previous discussions. At this time you attempt Fair Gaming me.... Nice
going...

Spacetraveler

Susan S

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Feb 9, 2005, 6:44:12 AM2/9/05

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In article <1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
chuckb...@aol.com says...

>
>Hi Gerry,
>
>I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
>mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which

>to me is such a good example!!!! Like I said about 5 times already to
>you, the fact that you are still fighting, still talking freely, THAT
>IS SO IMPORTANT! That to me, has made the greatest impression on me.

--------

Hi Chuck,

I cannot claim the expertise in the subject of Scientology that you can. But I
have read much of the documentation on Gerry Armstrong's site. I have come to
some obvious conclusions simply based upon reading his own material.

This church spent a great deal of money to get back private property that Gerry
stole. How can you or anyone here possibly twist that into some sort of moral
goodness? Then, to top it off, he starts his own religion so that "legally" he
can get away with breaking his agreement with the scien church to disparage them
under the guise of being a profit to sciens. Just on the surface, let alone if
you dig in and study in detail, Gerry's actions are psychotic and exemplify what
all experts expound as typical disgruntled ex-employee behavior.

There are numerous exaggerations, distortions and outright lies posted by
critics on this newsgroup. There is another ex-scien like you that has a web
site that has examples of a few of these kinds of distortions. Take a look
here:
http://www.bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/Moderate_critics.htm

There has been a distinct problem in our litigious society today with
disgruntled employees or ex-employees. It is ridiculous to expect any
corporation, small business, non-profit agency or church to hire someone and
then trust the employee on a handshake. Today it is a common practice to have
agreements that enforce non- disclosure of secrets, trade secrets, intellectual
property, etc. There are many lawyers who make a good living at drawing up
these agreements and defending them. Or drawing up agreements that prevent
disgruntled employees or ex-employees from disparaging the company they were
fired from. Anyone who employees people in our society today and makes an
agreement with them on a handshake is just plain stupid.

Experts in psychology have known about this behavior for a long time. There is
a massive industry that caters to educating employers on dealing with
disgruntled employees psychologically and legally.

There is a slogan in the Human Resource world: Pay now, or pay later.

How can anyone find Gerry's activities with this church laudable?

Susan S

Here are just a few articles I found googling disgruntled employee:

http://gilmartinharris.com/programs_and_services.htm

Disgruntled/Problem Employees

Managers and supervisors spend a significant amount of their time dealing with
problem or disgruntled employees who spend their time trying to undermine and
sabotage administrative direction or supervision, rather than just doing the
job. Although these people represent a small percentage of an organization's
workforce, they demand the largest amount of supervisory time.

Disgruntled Workers Endanger Companies - Brief Article
USA Today (Society for the Advancement of Education), May, 1999
Disgruntled employees who think they haven't been treated fairly may express
their anger in covert ways that can hurt people and damage the company.
Workplace aggression is more common than workplace violence, maintains Robert A.
Baron, a professor at the Lally School of Management and Technology, Rensselaer
Polytechnic Institute, Troy, N.Y., and author of Human Aggression.

The forms of aggression people choose at work are likely to be disguised, he
notes. "In other words, these people prefer to maximize the harm done to the
victim and minimize the danger to themselves." Covert forms of aggression
include failing to transmit needed information, coming late to meetings, wasting
resources, or delay in response to phone calls or memos. Damning with faint
praise, spreading rumors, and mocking people behind their backs are others.

Workplace aggression has been found to be more common among Type A
personalities. "This squares with what we know about Type A people. They tend to
be impatient, highly critical, irritable, and less forgiving." The answer, says
Baron, is for supervisors to make every effort to treat each employee fairly.
"Common courtesy goes a long way."

Through years of practical experience and thousands of interviews with exemplary
employees, malcontent and disgruntled employees and mangers at all levels, one
thing seems very clear . . . malcontent and disgruntled employees are typically
more experienced at being malcontent and disgruntled than supervisors
(especially new ones) at holding them accountable. For this to change, more
information and insight alone is not enough . . . supervisors and managers need
practical skills that they can apply to real-life situations. With practical
skills, supervisors can develop "the courage to confront" which is essential if
supervisors hope to become more effective and confident when dealing with
malcontent and disgruntled employees. However, the most important time to use
these skills is before problems begin to develop or at the earliest signs of
trouble. Supervisors have a choice, "pay now or pay later" . . . the amount of
time they spend preventing and dealing with problems early on is almost always
insignificant compared to the time required to deal with problems, and their
aftermath, after they have gotten out of control. Headlines are filled with many
examples of inappropriate behavior and supervisory failures that occur in law
enforcement agencies throughout the country.

http://www.gilmartinharris.com/malcontent_and_disgruntled_employees.htm

This tip tells you to consult an attorney about disgruntled employees.

6. Tip of the Week – Don’t Cut Corners When Dealing With A Disgruntled Employee

There is an important lesson to be learned from today’s Case Law Update –
managers and supervisors need to be particularly careful when dealing with a
disgruntled employee. What does it mean to be “particularly careful”? It means
follow your agency’s practices and procedures to the letter, don’t cut any
corners, and document, document, document!

If you’re having a conduct or performance-related problem with an employee, call
up your General Counsel’s office for advice. That’s why they’re there. Other
good sources of information include your agency’s Human Resources office and EEO
office. Also, be sure to keep contemporaneous notes when dealing with the
employee. Your notes don’t have to be fancy or highly detailed – simply jotting
down a few sentences in your day planner can serve the purpose.

The point is, at some time in their careers, most federal managers and
supervisors will run across an employee who has “an ax to grind.” The best way
to avoid being vulnerable in such a situation is to seek expert advice, be
precise, and have a good record of your interactions. That way, if the employee
comes back and tries to distort your words or actions, you’ll be able to defend
yourself.

http://204.200.222.168/organizations.php3?action=printContentItem&orgid=102&typeID=847&itemID=9551&User_Session=cb66962113e39b342ffbecb722305859
http://www.computerweekly.com/Article104301.htm

Spaceraveler

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Spacetraveler

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"Spaceraveler" <Spacer...@dublin.com> wrote in message
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Of course.... Thank you for faking my username here, even if you left out
one character. You could not act cheaper than that, your intend is obvious
though...

Spacetraveler

Ron...@ronniemarks.org

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Feb 9, 2005, 9:09:58 AM2/9/05

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Did you ever think it was intentional, kind of like someone calling
you Dan, when your name is Don, just to irk you?

No, probably not, since that is creative.

Kind of reminds me of the running gag on the old sit-com "Bewitched",
where the mother in law keeps using any name that starts with a "D"
except Darrin.

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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Feb 9, 2005, 10:31:17 AM2/9/05

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Like your death threat in this thread? How much lower will you go, loser?

http://tinyurl.com/5cow4

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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Feb 9, 2005, 10:32:38 AM2/9/05

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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"your intend"? More results of Scientology "schools" shown here.

Your death threat was less of a joke than Keith H's "Tom Cruise Missile"
comment.
http://tinyurl.com/5cow4

How much lower will you go, clamboy?

http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net

Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism

* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*
"You're supposed to eat vegetables, not listen to them."
- UK Review of Hubbard's "Thank You For Listening"
*

Spacetraveler

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<Ron...@RonnieMarks.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:49:20 GMT, "Spacetraveler"
> <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Spaceraveler" <Spacer...@dublin.com> wrote in message
> >news:1107950625....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> "Scientology is evil; its techniques evil; its practice a serious
> >> threat to
> >> the community medically, morally and socially; and its adherents sadly
> >> deluded and often mentally ill."
> >> - 1965 Report into Scientology by Australian Government
> >
> >Of course.... Thank you for faking my username here, even if you left
out
> >one character. You could not act cheaper than that, your intend is
obvious
> >though...
>
> Did you ever think it was intentional, kind of like someone calling
> you Dan, when your name is Don, just to irk you?
>
> No, probably not, since that is creative.

'Dan' and 'Don' is not equally obvious as 'Spacetraveler' and
'Spaceraveler'.

If you have open discussion, you simply don't do these things, you only
would do this in an attempt to confuse.

Spacetraveler

nobody

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Feb 9, 2005, 11:15:37 AM2/9/05

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In article <2yqOd.16861$d5.1...@newsb.telia.net>, Spacetraveler says...

>
>If you have open discussion, you simply don't do these things, you only
>would do this in an attempt to confuse.
>
>Spacetraveler

Attempt to confuse- what you do with your dishonest claim that fair game
is no longer practiced.

Rev Norle Enturbulata

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"Spacetraveler" <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Since you're more of a Space Chicken than a Spacetraveler, and you've
demonstrated that you're NOT interested in any kind of discussion but rather
your own Hubbardesque pontifications (and other masturbations of the OT
kind), your opinion is at best disingenuous.

Still hiding from your death threat? http://tinyurl.com/5cow4

--

http://www.xenu.net
http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net

Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism

* "You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way
you can control anybody is to lie to them."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88"
*
* "Radiation is apparently enormously water-soluble as well as water
removable. According to researchers, one merely has to take a hose to a
building surface or a road to wash the radiation off of it. This factor is
well known to defense trained personnel."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, Clear Body, Clear Mind, page 47
*

Susan S

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Feb 10, 2005, 12:22:35 AM2/10/05

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In article <1107810126....@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
chuckb...@aol.com says...
>
>Hi Gerry,
>
>I again, have to say, thankyou for your continued existence. You in my
>mind, will always be the KEY KEY defector, and you keep on going, which
>to me is such a good example!!!! Like I said about 5 times already to
>you, the fact that you are still fighting, still talking freely, THAT
>IS SO IMPORTANT! That to me, has made the greatest impression on me.
--------

Hi Chuck,

I cannot claim the expertise in the subject of Scientology that you can.

And I have read almost none of the documentation on Gerry Armstrong's site.
(I'm not going to read anything about the "Admissions" or "Affirmations".
I don't like reading about Mr Hubbard's original OT solo auditing.) But
I'm an indoctrinated scien and have come to some indoctrinated conclusions
simply based on what I've been indoctrinated to conclude.

This church spent a great deal of money to harass Gerry Armstrong even
though they knew he had stolen nothing and the judge ruled that he stole
nothing. How can I and OSA twist that into some sort of moral badness?
Simple. We do it all the time. Then, to top it off, we allege that it's
critics that twist the truth. Our actions are psychotic and exemplify what
all experts expound as typical disgruntled ex-employer behavior. But we're
not that typical. We're worse than typical. We're indoctrinated sciens.

There are numerous exaggerations, distortions and outright lies posted by

sciens like me on this newsgroup. Take a look anywhere.

There is a slogan in the Human Resource world: Pay now, or pay later.

How can anyone find our activities laudable?

Susan S