MD Hammesfahr stated that Terri Shiavo could have been rehabilitated
Barbara Schwarz
also reminded that Bill Frist, a MD within U.S. Congress stated that he
saw signs to give her a second chance for rehabilitation, and so did
others.
Everybody of us saw that she was aware but just could not express
herself. I think it was murder to cut off her tube. At least they could
have let a speech therapist to her to train her to talk to others if
she really wants to die and not more feel the caress of her family
members.
Barbara Schwarz
Report on Terri Released
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml
Here is a report by Dr. William Hammesfahr, on Terri Schiavo's
condition as of September
12, 2002:
William Hammesfahr, M.D.
Questionable Nobel Prize Nominee and advocate
for the Shindler family in the Terri Schiavo case
Please answer yes or no to the following questions
about Dr. William Hammesfahr from Clearwater,
Florida:
Would you seek medical care from a doctor who?:
o Repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, advertises
himself as a Nobel Prize Nominee in 1999,
when the only person who appears to have
nominated him is his own U.S. Congressman?
o Does not seem to have published a single peer
reviewed scientific article in a recognized
medical journal.
o Says he hasn't done the rigorous clinical studies
because he's too busy treating patients and
because he feels it would be unethical to
withhold the treatment from some patients
in order to study them.
o Claims that Terri Schiavo is not in a persistent
vegetative state and that therapy can help her.
o Appears on national TV shows and clearly
indicates that Terri Schiavo's spouse tried
to kill her.
Affidavits filed on behalf of Terri Shindler-Schiavo
June 1, 2001 [1] - This is where he states, "that
the CAT scan readings or MRI readings of Ms.
Schiavo's brain were misrepresented to the Court
during the trial in January 2000". He also makes
the statement that she, "is not in any sort of
coma, whether persistent vegetative state or otherwise".
Unsigned examination report September 12, 2002 [2]
- He makes the claim that, "The patient was alert
throughout essentially the entire exam". Furthermore,
"At various times during the exam, I asked her to
close her eyes, or open her eyes widely, look towards
her mother, or look towards me. At times, she appeared
to properly follow these commands".
There are so many questionable statements made about
the examination that I wonder about the ability of
the examiner to come to the conclusions that he did,
or to make the recomnendations that he made.
Among Hammesfahr's recommendations and conclusions:
Communication:
She can communicate. She needs a Speech Therapist,
Speech Pathologist, and a communications expert
to evaluate how to best communicate with her and
to allow her to communicate and for others to
communicate with her. Also, a treatment plan for
how to develop better communication needs to be
done.
Rehabilitation Medicine:
The patient has severe contractures. She needs
a specialist to evaluate these and develop a
treatment plan.
Endocrine:
The patient has clinical evidence of an abnormally
functioning endocrine system. Her blood pressure
is abnormally low. Many patients with severe
neurological injury have low blood pressure due
to an abnormally functioning endocrine system.
The reason for this should be determined and
corrected, as with a more normal blood pressure,
she is likely to have even better neurological
functioning. She has facial acne consistent with
hormonal abnormalities.
ENT:
The patient can clearly swallow, and is able to
swallow approximately 2 liters of water per day
(the daily amount of saliva generated). Water
is one of the most difficult things for people
to swallow. It is unlikely that she currently
needs the feeding tube. She should be evaluated
by an Ear Nose and Throat specialist, and have
a new swallowing exam.
Mammography needs to be performed.
Spinal Exam:
The patient's exam from a spinal perspective
is abnormal. The degree of limitation of range
of motion, and of spasms in her neck, is
consistent with a neck injury. The abnormal
sensory exam, that shows evidence of her hypoxic
encephalopathic strokes (right side sensory
responses are different from left) also suggests
a spinal cord injury at around the level of C4.
Her physical exam and videotapes also suggest a
spinal cord injury is also present, as she has
much better control over he face, head, and neck,
than over her arms and legs. This reminds one
of a person with a spinal cord injury who has
good facial control, but poor use of arms and
legs. It is possible that a correctable spinal
abnormality such as a herniated disk may be found
that could be treated and result in better
neurological functioning. This should be looked
for, as may be treatable. Thus, there may be an
injured disk or spinal cord; the disk injury is
more treatable, the spinal cord injury, if
present without a disk injury, may be more
difficult to treat. A person with a spinal
cord injury and hypoxic encephalopathy will need
different treatment and rehab recommendations
than one who just has a hypoxic encephalopathic.
Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of
mixed brain (cerebral) and spinal cord findings
in a patient once before, a patient who was
asphyxiated.
EEG:
I have reviewed the EEG recently obtained. The EEG
has large amounts of artifact. The technician's
attempted to remove artifact by filtering.
Unfortunately, filtering also affects and reduces
evident brain electronic activity. This EEG is not
adequate and should be repeated. It should be
repeated at the patient's bedside, with the
patient in a non-agitated state.
SPECT scan:
A SPECT scan prior to and after several days of
Hyperbaric Trial should be obtained. Such a
Hyperbaric Oxygen trial does not constitute
treatment, as the length of time of such hyperbaric
is inadequate to render any treatment. However,
it is a useful technique to assess the likelihood
of improvement using hyperbaric oxygen. I would
defer to Dr. Maxfield on the specifics of testing,
but believe that it is generally accepted by those
in the field who have experience with hyperbaric
treatment, that Dr. Maxfield's recommendations
in this area are accurate.
Recent links and internet searches
Hammesfahr stumbles when challenged by L.A. Talk Show [3]
Another John & Ken interview that didn't go well.
Dr. William Hammesfahr is making the media rounds,
claiming that Terri Shiavo could recover with the
correct treatment, based on his research. He also
claims that he is a Nobel Prize Nominee, based on
a note he got from some guy a few years ago. John
& Ken called him on the dubious nature of his
so-called nomination, but unfortunately he terminated
the call before they could call into question the
veracity of his "World's Greatest Dad" coffee mug.
Fact checking the Schiavo experts [4]
Numerous "experts" have weighed in on the Terri
Schiavo case since it began -- some more dubious
than others. On Monday, Fox News' Hannity and
Colmes presented Dr. William Hammesfahr, a
Florida neurologist who examined Terri in 2002,
and who insists that Terri is not in a permanent
vegetative state. Alongside Hammesfahr's rather
astonishing prognosis, Hannity made sure to take
note of Hammesfahr's lofty qualifications:
Hannity: Do you believe she is aware, conscious
and responsive?
Hammesfahr: Terri is completely aware and conscious
and responsive. She is like a child with
cerebral palsy. We have kids in the
Pinellas County school system every day
that are much worse than her, that we're
educating.
Hannity: Doctor, wait a minute. I've got to get
this straight here. You were nominated
to get a Nobel Peace Prize in this very
work. Are you saying that this woman
could be rehabilitated?
Hammesfahr: Absolutely.
Hammesfahr appeared on Scarborough Country the same
night and received a similar introduction as a Nobel
Prize nominee. Problem is, that's not quite the
truth -- Hammesfahr was never officially nominated
for a Nobel Prize. In 1999, a U.S. Congressman
recommended him in a letter to the Nobel Committee
for his work with stroke patients. But according to
the committee's Web site, such unsolicited letters
constitute "invalid nominations" and are not considered.
News Hounds Blog critique of Fox [5]
Excellent discussion of Hammesfahr [6]
Transcript of Scarborough where Hammesfahr accuses
Michael Schiavo of trying to kill his wife.
News outlets ignored questions about doctor who claimed
Schiavo can be helped [7]
Dr. William Hammesfahr, a Florida neurologist who
claims that he can help Terri Schiavo, has promoted
his treatment plan on Christian Broadcasting
Network's The 700 Club and has been cited by
anti-abortion activist Randall Terry, a spokesman
for Schiavo's parents, in newspaper articles. But
questions have been raised about Hammesfahr, who
was disciplined by the Florida Department of Health
in 2003, and news outlets that have repeated
Hammesfahr's claims have ignored those questions.
In February 2003, the Florida Board of Medicine
ruled that he violated state law by charging a
patient for services that were not provided (Finding
of Fact No. 71, PDF p. 40 [8]) it declined to rule
that the treatment was harmful to his patients and
noted that some patients improved after treatment.
In addition to his appearance on The 700 Club,
Hammesfahr has discussed the case on the
October 27, 2003, edition of Fox News' Hannity &
Colmes [9], during which he repeated his claim that
Terri Schiavo is "not in a coma." Co-host Sean Hannity
did not note Hammesfahr's disciplinary action by
the Florida Board of Medicine, and he encouraged
Hammesfahr to speculate on other aspects of the
Schiavo case. A clip of Hammesfahr from his Fox
News appearance was played on the November 9, 2003,
edition of CBS' Sunday Morning.
Pulling the plug on fairness [10] - great review of
Hammesfahr and his battles with the press
William Hammesfahr, a neurologist brought in by
the Schindlers for a 2002 hearing who claims that
Terri Schiavo is not in the "persistent vegetative
state" claimed by Michael Schiavo. An Oct. 23, 2002,
Miami Herald article notes that Hammesfahr "charges
cash for treatments and advertises himself as a
nominee for a Nobel Prize based on a letter his
congressman wrote to the Nobel committee." An Oct.
25, 2003, St. Petersburg Times article noted that
Hammesfahr "offered no names, no case studies,
no videos and no test results to support his
claim" that Terri Schiavo could be helped.
Al Franken says this to Joe Scarborough - March 23, 2005 [11]
Most people in the polling that's been done would not
want to live like she's living. She brain-dead. Now,
here's where a lot of misinformation has been passed,
including by you, Joe. The other night, you said this
and you said it four times. This is how you teased
this. "And a Nobel Prize-nominated neurologist who
has treated Terri Schiavo, he says Terri should live
and that her husband is perpetrating a hoax that is
just aimed at killing his wife."
This Dr. Hammesfahr is not a Nobel Prize nominee. You
said that four times. He did not treat her. You said
that four times. You have to do your research, Joe.
There is no such thing as a Nobel Prize nominee. Now,
he claims to be a Nobel Prize nominee because a letter
was written to the Nobel Committee by Representative
Mike Bilirakis.
Since the Schiavo affair began, this neurologist who
brags about his alleged "Nobel Prize Nomination" [12],
openly on his web site has appeared on scores of radio
and TV shows. I would assume that Joe Scarborough and
Sean Hannity had no idea that his "nomination" was
made by his own [13], from Clearwater, Florida.
As fas as his qualifications are concerned, Hammesfahr
is a board certified neurologist who had his troubles
at one time in his home State over the billing of a
patient. If you would put his c.v. next to a real Nobel
Prize nominee, it would be worth absolutely nothing.
He is not on the staff of any teaching hospital, nor
does he appear to have any affiliation with a medical
school. So, what in the world was this Congressman
nominating him for in the first place back in 1999?
Stroke therapy's creator labeled pioneer, quack [14] - St.
Pete Times - Jul 7, 1999. pg. 1.B
Hammesfahr has been mentioned on Quackwatch, a
Web site focusing on fraud and quackery in
medicine. His articles have been turned down
by well-known medical journals. And a Miami
Beach neurologist has filed a complaint with
the state accusing Hammesfahr of fraudulent
advertising. "In my opinion, it's irresponsible
to market any treatment to the public before it
has gone through the peer review process," said
Dr. Steven Novella, a Yale neurologist who wrote
an article about Hammesfahr for Quackwatch.
Terri Schindler Schiavo and the Cardiac Arrest/Heart
Attack Lies [15]
Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned neurologist
wrote a complete report regarding Terri Schindler
Schiavo dated September 12, 2002. The report
reveals that medical tests conducted after
Terri's collapse did not show evidence of a
heart attack.
Search Google for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize"
on March 22 had 645 hits [17]
Search Google for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize"
and Schiavo on March 22 had 479 hits [18]
Search Google for Hammesfahr and "Nobel Prize"
without Schiavo on March 22 had 165 hits [19]
Search Google News for Hammesfahr and "Nobel
Prize" [20]
Medline search for his name comes up EMPTY" [21]
Just put "Hammesfahr W" in the search box.
Terri Schindler-Schiavo claims
It seems that the association of Hammesfahr with the
Schindler family goes back a few years. Here are a
few of the most interesting links from the many web
sites controlled by the Schindler family and their
associates: Terrisfight Timeline [22]
Hammesfahr's incredible legal battle with the Florida
Board Department of Health - Board of Medicine v.
William Hammesfahr [23] - This is the incredible
compilation of the case against Hammesfahr. There
are 112 Adobe .pdf documents with links, and 11
others without links.
Hammesfahr counter-sued The Board of Medicine in
2004 [24] - Note the staggering number of complaints
against him that weren't acted on & dismissed before
the board found something to prosecute him for. Not
only did patients and physicians complain, so did
a former employee - and it was about aiding and
abetting the unlicensed practice of medicine.
[1]
<http://www.terrisfight.net/documents/Hammesfahr%20Aff%20060101.pdf>
[2] <http://www.terrisfight.net/documents/Hammesfahrexam.htm>
[3] <http://www.johnandkenshow.com/audio/files/hammesfahr.wma> -
audio file
[4]
<http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/archive.html?blog=/politics/war_room/2005/03/25/experts/index.html>
- Salon.com
[5]
<http://www.newshounds.us/2005/03/22/hannity_colmes_misrepresents_doctor_in_schiavo_case.php>
- Transcript of Hannity & Colmes
[6] <http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220009> - Media Matters for
America -
[7] <http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220002> - Media Matters for
America
[8]
<http://www.doh.state.fl.us/mqa/FinalOrders/03-17-03/DOH-03-0182.pdf>
[.pdf file - 96 pages]. The board fined Hammesfahr $2,000, placed him
on
probation for six months, and ordered him to pay approximately $52,000
in
administrative costs and to perform 100 hours of community service.
While
the board also ruled that Hammesfahr's treatment of stroke patients,
using
a procedure he has claimed could help Terri Schiavo, was "not within
the
generally accepted standard of care" (Finding of Fact No. 55, PDF p.
33),
[9] <http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101458,00.html>
[10] <http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2005/schiavo.html>
[11] <http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7284763/>
[12] http://www.hni-online.com/nobel_prize_nomination.htm
[13]
http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/email_representative_form.aspx?id=4169
[14] <http://tinyurl.com/6549f>
[15]
<http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/terri_schindler_schiavo_cardiac_arrest_lie.html>
- Libertytothecaptives.net Blog
[16]
<http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_and_terri_schindler_schiavo_death_connection.html>
- This is yet another wild claim made by the people who run
Libertytothecaptives.net Blog. How anyone can believe this is beyond
me.
[17]
<http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=Hammesfahr+%22nobel+prize%22&btnG=Search&meta=>
[18]
<http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&q=Hammesfahr+%22nobel+prize%22++schiavo&btnG=Search&meta=>
[20]
<http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=Hammesfahr+%22nobel+prize%22++&btnG=Search+News>
[21]
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed>
[22] <http://www.terrisfight.org/timeline.html>
[23] <http://tinyurl.com/5vwbo>
[24] <Hammesfahr/hammesfahr3.pdf>
Quaoar
[Drivel snipped]
Did you even *read* the evidence condemning Hammesfahr that *you*
posted? The guy is a quack and has no credibility. Besides, Terri was
brain dead in the first seven minutes of her anoxia and nothing would
save her. All subsequent arguments fail on this evidence of her
condition.
Q
rmayf
The link below will take you to an image purported to be of Terri Schivo's
brain in comparison to a normal brain. The image is reportedly drawn from
her court documents, 2002.
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/20/regarding-the-cat-scan-of-t
erri-schiavos-brain/
If this is in fact a real image, then there's not enough cortical matter
there for thought.
rmayf
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Sorry, that link should be:
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/20/regarding-the-cat-scan-of-t
erri-schiavos-brain/
rmayf
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> also reminded that Bill Frist, a MD within U.S. Congress stated that he
> saw signs to give her a second chance for rehabilitation, and so did
> others.
>
> Everybody of us saw that she was aware but just could not express
> herself. I think it was murder to cut off her tube. At least they could
> have let a speech therapist to her to train her to talk to others if
> she really wants to die and not more feel the caress of her family
> members.
>
Right. That's what we need...politicians weighing in on neurological
conditions.
HMc
Barbara Schwarz
but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell
us what she indeed wanted. Switching off her nutrition tube was murder.
Remember also that a person is not her brain. A person has a brain but
is none.
Barbara Schwarz
rmayf
Ah,
I must not have been direct enough. No way to train her if that picture is
correct. Not enough neural tissue to train. A person is a gestalt,
mind/body. Take away the mind, you're missing the gestalt. Memory areas in
this picture are gone, cognitive processing areas, etc. If that picture is
correct the portions of the brain associated with uniqueness as a person
were gone. All that's left in this picture is reflex actions.
I'm not arguing for her death, there are plenty of severely brain damaged
people existing in nursing home and in developmental disability homes. I
can state unequivocally that if this picture
(http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/20/regarding-the-cat-scan-of-
terri-schiavos-brain/) was correct that any meaningful learning wasn't
possible, and it would be as physically impossible to "recognize people" as
it would be to visually identify the difference between black and white if
your eyes were removed.
rmayf
It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
Arthur C. Clarke
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zenmonkey
I see you're still deluding yourself so you can feel good about the things
you post on here. A "person" is not a "brain," true, but a person DOES
communicate with other persons by using a functioning brain. That Terri, as
a whole, is not just a brain does nothing to negate the fact that without a
working brain, or connection of necessary, functioning tissues of the brain
to the brain stem, she's not going to be saying anything that reflects what
"she" wants. We might be able to train her much as we'd train a parrot, but
to that end, we could make her repeat over and over she's a walrus. Very
entertaining, hardly useful or relevant to the situation at hand.
-zm
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tech27
> "Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote in message
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>>I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables,
>> but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell
>> us what she indeed wanted.
Then why didn't you get your fat ass over there and find out?
Stupid cunt-that makes it YOUR FAULT that she's dead now. Why didn't you
care enough to go and save a human life?
Switching off her nutrition tube was murder.
If you believe that then you are an accessory to murder, probably something
like depraved indifference resulting in death. manslaughter at least. You
KNEW how to communicate with her but you didn't care enough to even try.
Fucking bitch.
Lisa Ruby
>I think it was murder to cut off her tube.
Me too.
Also, it was illegal to cut off her regular food and water but Greer
did it anyway. The Florida
Legislature even helped him by coming up with bills that made it look
like Greer wasn't breaking the law!
See: Exposing the Conspiracy to Kill Terri Schiavo is Not Hate
http://libertytothecaptives.net/exposing_conspiracy_not_hatred.html
tech27
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Fucking Great! The conspiracy theorists have something new to play with.
What now? Did she know about Area 51? Kennedy? How they get the center in
the Caramilk bar?
Lisa Ruby
[n] a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a
political plot)
[n] a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an
unlawful act
[n] a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or
illegal purpose
Scientology IS a conspiracy.. And that no theory.
Gary Olson
years to bring it up.
opinions are like assholes almost everyone has one
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> news:1112475077....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> I posted that before, I hardly anybody of us want a life as vegetables,
>> but I know that there were ways to talk to Terri and train her to tell
>> us what she indeed wanted.
Name one or fuck off!
Switching off her nutrition tube was murder.
Then why was no one charged?
>> Remember also that a person is not her brain.
Right. A person is a lump of flesh and fluids. Maybe you are.
A person has a brain but
>> is none.
A sentence has a meaning but you no.
>>
>> Barbara Schwarz
>> Stupid Rambling Cunt
The Man from Smegma
<BarbaraSc...@excite.com> wrote:
>Below information is interesting and also controversial. However be
>also reminded that Bill Frist, a MD within U.S. Congress stated that he
>saw signs to give her a second chance for rehabilitation, and so did
>others.
>
>Everybody of us saw that she was aware but just could not express
>herself. I think it was murder to cut off her tube. At least they could
>have let a speech therapist to her to train her to talk to others if
>she really wants to die and not more feel the caress of her family
>members.
>
>Barbara Schwarz
>
>
>Report on Terri Released
>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/3/30/144422.shtml
>
But Babs, you don't believe in doctors, remember? And besides, her
soul was rotten with body thetans. Now she'll just go back to Mars and
be reimplanted. LOLOL