Scientology a religion?
David Spiro
religion. the word religion comes from the Latin "religio", meaning "to link
back." What does Scientology link back to? They seem to purport to do many
things, help many people, yet what are their beliefs rooted in?
ewsnead
"David Spiro" <djs...@bluefrognet.net> wrote in message
news:d84fh...@enews1.newsguy.com...
Science fiction. Crappy science fiction. For more info go to:
http:///www.xenu.net
ewsnead
Spacetraveler
"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word, a study of
wisdom. Scientology is a study of man as a spirit, in his relationship to
life and the physical universe.
It is non-denominational. By that is meant that Scientology is open to
people of all religious beliefs and in no way tries to persuade a person
from his religion, but assists him to better understand that he is a
spiritual being . . ."
Mary Sue Hubbard, 1964
Spacetraveler
Lisa Ruby
>"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word, a study of
>wisdom.
Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to initiates
(people
who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is black
magic that is spread out over a long time period."
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
wcb
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Quote:
". . . a nation or a state runs on the ability of
its department heads, its governors, or any other
leaders. It is easy to get posts in such areas
unless one has delusions of grandeur or fear of it.
Don't bother to get elected. Get a job on the
secretarial staff or the bodyguard, use any talent
one has to get a place close in, . . ."
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NOT HCO POLICY LETTER
ORIGINAL COLOR FLASH
NOT GREEN ON WHITE
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HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 23 JUNE AD 10
[= June 23, 1960]
Important MA
Franchise Holders
SPECIAL ZONE PLAN
The Scientologist's Role in Life
Ten years ago, on about this date, I was up against
third dynamic, confusion of such magnitude that within a
few months, I was to decide to forget organization
problems and concentrate on research.
Because of this decision for years we were poorer in
--MORE--(40%)
numbers but richer by far in knowledge.
It evidently was not enough to be able to help the
basic problems of an individual. There were eight
dynamics. It was necessary to take in at least some of
all eight dynamics before we could be effective.
And toward the end of June in 1950, I first sensed
that truth. And the maxim-bring order to your own house
before you attempt order next door.
In June, 1950, the Foundations were already
beginning to shatter under the enthusiastic door
pounding of the public. I had built the proverbial
better mousetrap and all the world was beating a path to
our door-and was breaking the door down!
Yes, we could do wonders with people. Greater
wonders than had been done in recent millenia. But we
were ignorant beyond the first two dynamics. The moment
we sought to handle the third we were done.
--MORE--(54%)
That was ten years ago. Within months of that date
all that was left of the first organizations was rubble
and newspapers blowing by in the wind.
I worked hard, and studied and researched, never
friendless, often helped and worked ahead for ten years.
The First Dynamic, self, fluctuated in results and
has stabilized with unsurpassed processing technology.
In proof, our people are individually in better shape
than any other group.
On the Second Dynamic, family and sex, we have
gotten into a winning position. We know the answers to
marriage, children and sex. The material isn't all
published broadly enough yet even for Scientologists to
know it but it's there and we're living better lives.
The Third Dynamic, groups, is the spectacular break
through of today. It's happened so gradiently we've
hardly realized we have won. But observe: we have a
magnificent organization. In America, England, South
--MORE--(69%)
Africa and Australia we have just about the most
wonderful organizations Man has seen for their size,
cost and defensibility. Here we have achieved
spectacular stability. Largely self-determined, yet
co-operating smoothly these third dynamic examples
compare with June, 1950, Foundations like the Royal
Ballet compares with the aftermath of Hiroshima.
Just as we can represent in ourselves the grip we
have on the first dynamic, so do we represent in our
organizations that we have the third dynamic well in
hand.
The technology of our third dynamic in organizations
and the field is an exact one, as skilled as an
auditor's know-how. And having applied it to
organizations we are now applying it to the field, which
is the main subject of this bulletin. You in "the
field", you are about to win, too, with a complete new
level of policy and action if you want it: you are about
to be included "in".
--MORE--(85%)
The Fourth Dynamic, Mankind, is now an understood
zone of operation and is declared herewith to be
operational for a Scientologist. The prize of
understanding Man as a racial and political species has
fallen to our hand. Don't smile. I know it's an
incredible announcement. But it's factual.
On the Fifth Dynamic, that of living things, I have
been making headway since last year and know quite a bit
now about them. Many of the secrets have dropped into
our hands.
On the Sixth Dynamic, the physical universe, we have
for some time stood well above what they know in
physics.
On the Seventh Dynamic, the spirit, we covered this
ground very thoroughly in
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. . .
1953-54-55 and it's still all true but too advanced for
general consumption. The best record of this was in the
1953 Philadelphia Lecture Series of 64 hours.
On the Eighth Dynamic, the Supreme Being, we have at
least found the key question and in a little while we
should have it answered on a demonstrable basis. Far
from presumptious it is about time somebody neither
atheist nor zealot asked some questions, and arrived at
some answers that have no self-interested curves in
them.
So you can see where we are going and have at least
a passing acquaintance with developments. Here we are
with the largest fund of information of life and its
patterns that has been assembled in a factual package on
Earth.
--MORE--(32%)
Now the question is, what are we going to do with
it?
Until we had the third and fourth dynamics
demonstrably in hand technically we could not answer the
question. We've each had his own idea of what we should
be doing with it and each of these ideas is right to the
degree that it's right for each of us. I have never
discussed this point strongly because I did not want to
shake anyone into an uncertainty. So let's say that all
these ideas are right and then add a Third Dynamic
Idea with which we can all agree.
Improvement is the common denominator of all our
ideas. And of course each one has a zone of interest
where he or she feels improvement is most needed or
where he or she would be most comfortable in doing the
work of improvement.
And that's the gist of this Third Dynamic Idea.
It's a rather deceptive idea at first glance since we
are each of us doing something of that.
--MORE--(47%)
But let us be far more definite. And let us expose
a fallacy that has long been riding with us, as an
unknown passenger.
People think of professional practitioners as
doctors who, aloof from all other concerns, practise on
the sick. This is a very novel idea. Dreamed up,
probably, by the first lazy witch doctor and used
forever thereafter by most specialists in human
livingness. And here I want to as-is and banish that
idea from amongst us all.
If we are doctors (by which might be meant
"repairers") then we are doctors on the third and fourth
dynamics and handle the first and second dynamics only
to achieve better function on the third and fourth.
And true enough, most Scientologists agree, I think,
with this concept. But it itself is as new and novel as
the idea of being a professional practitioner to
individual health once was.
--MORE--(61%)
I believe our third dynamic organization, taking in
all Scientologists, should go this way:
The Central Organization and Centre Scientologists
should service the remaining Scientologists, doing
administration, instructing and auditing. Instruction to
a professional level of all Scientologists should be
entered upon as a must. Central Organization and Centre
Auditing should be special and referred cases and the
Scientologists themselves when they want it as part of
service.
Being trained and cleared need not hold up the next
zone of action, though it is taken for granted that
these will occur for each.
The "field auditor" should be included wholly "in"
to the general activity as a large zone divided into
smaller specialized zones. The "field auditor" should
of course run a group some evenings (he will find he has
to) and audit not only members of his family but
--MORE--(76%)
contacts in his zone on weekends or evenings. But, as
you will see, he or she is largely wasting time by
trying to be an individual doctor type practitioner
where he or she is only partly successful at it. Some
of course will have to work full time in centres as we
get into action but centres are mentioned above as a
special activity along with Central Organizations.
The largest majority of Scientologists should, I
feel, consider themselves as "doctors" on the third and
fourth dynamics. And if we work well at this, we will
have answered all our various needs and brought it off
on the third and fourth as well.
Now I wouldn't be talking to you like this if I
didn't feel I had this studied to a conclusion.
Consider our position; we have arrived at a very
special plateau of knowledge as has been reviewed above.
Data on our know-how is being codified for use in these
zones of action.
--MORE--(91%)
Consider the position of the world. The story is
often repeated on the whole track. As Most is made to
help too much, a plateau of civilization is reached in
which the individual is downgraded to a number. The end
of this-the lights eventually go out through lack of
personal initiative and ability.
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. . .
We are in a fantastic position, at the right time
and place, to halt this cycle of decay and start a new
one on Earth. And I believe we should overtly do so.
How?
We are masters of IQ and ability. We have know-how.
Any of us could select out a zone of life in which we
are interested and then, entering it, bring order and
victory to it.
Of course, there's a heavy challenge in doing this.
Some of the victories would be hardly won. But we would
win across the world if we kept our vision bright.
The third and fourth dynamics subdivide. Any third
breaks down into many activities and professions, a
neighborhood, a business concern, a military group, a
--MORE--(31%)
city government, etc. etc. etc. The fourth dynamic
breaks down just now mainly to races and nations.
Now just suppose a Scientoloeist were to consider
himself a professional only for the purposes of training
and repairing or even starting again these third and
fourth zones?
See this, a housewife, already successfully
employing Scientology in her own home, trained to
professional level, takes over a woman's club as
Secretary or some key position. She straightens up the
club affairs by applying comm practice and making peace
and then, incidental to the club's main function, pushes
Scientology into a zone of special interest in the
club-children, straightening up marriages, whatever
comes to hand and even taking fees for it-meanwhile of
course going on being a successful and contributing
wife.
Or this: a Scientologist, a lesser executive or even
a clerk in a company, trains as a professional auditor,
--MORE--(46%)
and seeing where the company is heading, begins to pick
up its loose ends by strengthening its comm lines or its
personnel abilities. Without "selling" anybody
Scientology, just studies out the bogs and remedies
them. If only as "an able person, he would rapidly
expand a zone of control, to say nothing of his personal
standing in the company. This has been and is being done
steadily across the world. Now that we have
presessioning it's easy to straighten up other people.
Our unreleased technology on handling third dynamic
business situations is staggeringly large. You'd be
surprised how easy it is to audit seniors. They and
their families have so many troubles. OR how easy it is
to spot the emergency-maker and audit him.
And see this: a race is staggering along making
difficulties for itself. Locate its leaders. Get a
paid post as a secretary or officer of the staff of the
leaders of that race. And by any means audit them into
ability and handle their affairs to bring co-operation,
not trouble. Every race that is in turmoil in a nation
has quasi-social groups around its leaders.
--MORE--(64%)
And this: a nation or a state runs on the ability of
its department heads, its governors, or any other
leaders. It is easy to get posts in such areas unless
one has delusions of grandeur or fear of it. Don't
bother to get elected. Get a job on the secretarial
staff or the bodyguard, use any talent one has to get a
place close in, go to work on the environment and make
it function better. Occasionally one might lose, but in
the large majority, doing a good job and making the
environment function will result in promotion, better
contacts, a widening zone.
The cue in all this is don't seek the co-operation
of groups. Don't ask for permission. Just enter them
and start functioning to make the group win through
effectiveness and sanity.
If we were revolutionaries this HCO Bulletin would
be a very dangerous document. We are not
revolutionaries any more than we are doctors of sickness
in individual patients. But we are not revolutionaries,
--MORE--(79%)
we are humanitarians. We are not political. And we can
be the most important force for good that the world has
ever known. Who objects to a company functioning better
to produce a better civilization? Who objects to a race
becoming sane and a stable asset to its communities?
Who objects to a neighborhood smoothing out?
Only the very criminal would object and they are
relatively ineffectual when you can know and spot them.
them. And there are no criminals except the mentally
disabled.
So this is a challenge on the third and fourth.
Almost all Scientologists are in a position to begin to
help on such a programme.
And I am studying now first the popularity with you
of this plan and, if great, how best to help us all to
achieve it. The first thing required is an
understandable designation for Scientologists
undertaking their portion of this Special Zone Plan. I
should think the word "Counselor" is acceptable with an
--MORE--(94%)
appropriate additional designation such as "Family
Counselor" or "Company Counselor" or "Child
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. . .
Counselor" or "Organization Counselor". What we
would do is issue a HPA or HCA as a certificate as
always and would issue a special zone certificate to any
person operating in that zone after he or she had
completed an additional correspondence-type briefing
course covering that general zone. In other words anyone
would have to have a professional certificate before he
or she could be designated as a special zone counselor.
The costs of obtaining such a certificate would be kept
slight, no more than bare administration. The
advantages of having such a designation are plain. A
clerk with a certificate on the wall from the Academy of
Scientology designating that he or she has been
graduated as a "Company Counselor" would startle even a
complacent executive into conversation about what was
wrong with the place and as he was talking to a pro
auditor any scepticism would quickly fade. A pro would
know! As it all starts with being a good auditor and as
the additional technology is exact in any of these
--MORE--(37%)
fields, the programme is feasible.
We are at this stage of this programme: I have found
that Scientologists operate with high success on the
third and fourth but that it rarely occurs to them to
try it and when they do they think I want them to audit
full time and they are apologetic about their attempt. I
have the technology pretty well to hand and can write
zone manuals. I feel we now have clearing well in hand
in Central Orgs and will soon have it broadly so for
Scientologists in "the field" but I do not feel we need
wait on that but take it and further training in stride.
I feel that we are ripe for an overt attack on the third
and fourth down spiral. I feel our auditors should take
advantage of their increased personal ability and should
be regarded accordingly by society and its zones. I see
clearly that we have to win on the third and fourth if
we are to attain our goals of a better world.
The special zone plan is made possible by a slight
shift of approach. Take the case of a police officer
who got interested on a PE course and read some books.
--MORE--(55%)
He tried to "sell" his chief on Scientology as a subject
and was given a heavy loss. One, our PE level trainee
was insufficiently schooled to be effective. Two, as a
pro his approach could have been any one of several. He
could have eased himself nearer a command source area in
the department, or he could have taken over a pistol
marksman on the force and made him a champion as we did
with the Olympics team once. The slight shift is that
we would have made this police officer get pro training
before telling him "sell Scientology" to the force and
then would have advised him to sell it by action, not
words. Handling the familial problems of the
commissioner as his driver or making the rookies gasp at
how fast he could train them would be selling by action
only. And no other kind of selling would be needed.
he'd be running an evening coaching class for his
fellows or superiors on Scientology in a few months and
making some of them follow the same route. How long
before he had altered the whole character, ability and
effectiveness of the police force and through that how
long before he would have civilized the whole approach
to law enforcement in that area? For, once we have
--MORE--(74%)
created an opening we always avalanche to fantastically
swift gains.
That's the Special Zone Plan. Several hundred
thousand are ready for the first steps. Those that
aren't trained as pro HPAs and HCAs could start in soon.
There are special ways to get training at an Academy
now. And even while awaiting this training and working
toward clearing such Scientologists could begin to
determine their zone goals and work on them.
Our impact on the society is already weighty. With
special Zone Plans we could move that impact up
thousands of times greater and have in our present
lifetimes our goals at least in part accomplished and a
decent world to come back to again.
What do you think of it? Write to me in care of
Central Organization HCO in your area to give me your
views on the Special Zone Plan.
When you write please advise me as follows: whether
--MORE--(89%)
you like or do not like the idea. If you like it tell me
the zone you are in or would like to be in (what area do
you want to help?). But whatever you say please write as
your letter will be considered as a vote. We have
arrived at a cross roads where our action now could well
affect the future history of this planet.
L. RON HUBBARD
LRH:js.rd
Copyright (c) 1960
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
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Jeta (at xs4all dot nl)
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HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 20 JULY 1960
Assoc Secs
HCO Secs
Directors of Zoning
DIRECTOR OF ZONING HAT
In a Telex message to George Hay, who is the new
Director of Zoning at HASI London, Ron has clarified the
purpose of this post.
The Director of Zoning, is a new post set up to
co-ordinate and bring order to the Special Zone Plan in
any area. It is a HASI post, not an HCO post.
--MORE--(35%)
Ron's instructions on this is for each Association
Secretary or Org Sec to find their best "rabble rouser"
and appoint him as Director of Zoning for their
particular area and make up his hat in accordance with
the following, which is taken almost verbatim from the
Telex message to George Hay:
DIRECTOR OF ZONING HAT
To Director of Zoning London:
Please arrange the following:
I hat any person wanting to see Reception Registrar
or Assoc Sec or me about the Special Zone Plan gets
routed promptly to you, and that your door is well and
legibly and tastefully marked about it. And you can be
found, and nobody talks to anyone in HASI about it but
you.
--MORE--(49%)
Further, make a card file out on everybody that
comes in; and in particular write down name, address,
and the zone they're interested in, and the possibility
or not that they will do volunteer auditing evenings for
some special personality.
Keep this list of Special Zone workers and keep it
out of C/F as such. You can info addressograph that so
and so is a Special Zone worker, but for now keep your
own card file and build it up.
Answer and demand that you get all letters that
contain reference to the Special Zone Plan even if they
contain other matter. Get people to route letters to
you which contain orders to be filled.
Please build up any data you can in ways of actual
operation or how to operate that you get from people as
we will be in desperate need of it one of these days.
Keep the Special Zone Plan corralled and out of
HASI, and keep HASI out of the Special Zone Plan. Any
--MORE--(67%)
plans to completely control the Special Zone Plan will
be negatived by me. We want people to work as they can
work. We don't want it to be a controlled sphere.
I have a book or rather a paper coming up that is a
brief summary of how to get one's foot in a door in a
business company and how to operate along that line, as
the beginning text that will be required for study
before we issue counselors' certificates to anyone.
There'll be a booklet for each Zone. These are
preliminaries. Later booklets will be built out of the
data we get from people working hard at it.
If you insist on anything insist on people getting
decently trained. Make any kind of arrangements you can
pull off or talk people or HASI into, but a non-trained
auditor doesn't do too well hitting at groups et al.
We're not near so keen on selling anything as we are in
actually getting them trained.
Special Zone is our area of confusion at the moment,
and I don't care how enthused or ecstatic or confused it
--MORE--(87%)
gets. Keep it from confusing any part of HASI and
HASI will love you desperately. In short the confusion
has power in it. If it meets up with too much HASI
order some of the impetus will be lost, so let the order
go as far as getting people trained, but otherwise
isolate Special Zone.
L. RON HUBBARD
LRH:dm.rd
Copyright (c) 1960
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
241
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This document is webbed here:
http://www.b-org.demon.nl/scn/hco/special-zone-plan.html
--MORE--(99%)
Jeta (at xs4all dot nl)
End of article 597411 (of 597910) -- what next? [npq]
--
When I shake my killfile, I can hear them buzzing!
Cheerful Charlie
Phil Scott
The ancient left hand path of the dark side, cloned into
that aspect of satanism in the last half a century.. the credo
"ruin the person utterly if possible" part of the scn policy
letters regarding anyone that doesn't tow the line.
Phil Scott
>
>
Phil Scott
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Spacetraveler wrote:
>
> >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word,
a study of
> >wisdom.
>
>
> Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to
initiates
> (people
> who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
>
> L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is
black
> magic that is spread out over a long time period."
Indeed... the more you look at this mess more patently obvious
it is...on the first version of OT-8, that sickened so many
people, Hubbard is quoted as saying the he was
Lucifer...bringer of light.
Too bad the bringer of light died with his ass shot full of
vistaril screaming about being over run with 'body thetans'...
a closer study of the left hand path of satanism, reveals that
the satanist on that path is promised a rich life (as Hubbard
enjoyed)...and a permanent miserable after life.
a dark joke from the father of lies himself... the victims
were fore warned... yet still chose the evil path.
Justice it seems is natural.
One does not live on the dark side then pass on to
joyousness... that should be obvious to any idiot...but it
isnt apparently.. the egotist only sees his present moment
short term self interest.
Phil Scott
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
Spacetraveler
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word, a study of
> >wisdom.
>
>
> Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to initiates
> (people
> who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
>
> L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is black
> magic that is spread out over a long time period."
Which is your opinion solely, and we have already established that you
actually know little to nothing about it. You did not even know about the
'funeral' ceremony... Black magic? Absurd as was his son...
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:d84umm$7a7$1...@news.tdl.com...
>
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Spacetraveler wrote:
> >
> > >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word,
> a study of
> > >wisdom.
> >
> >
> > Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to
> initiates
> > (people
> > who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
> >
> > L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is
> black
> > magic that is spread out over a long time period."
>
>
> Indeed... the more you look at this mess more patently obvious
> it is...on the first version of OT-8,
LRH was not around when that came out, was it LRH?
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
Genesis
Spacetraveler <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
> news:d84umm$7a7$1...@news.tdl.com...
> >
> > "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Spacetraveler wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word,
> > a study of
> > > >wisdom.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to
> > initiates
> > > (people
> > > who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
> > >
> > > L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is
> > black
> > > magic that is spread out over a long time period."
> >
> >
> > Indeed... the more you look at this mess more patently obvious
> > it is...on the first version of OT-8,
>
> LRH was not around when that came out, was it LRH?
What evidence do you have to back up your claim ?
Genesis
Spacetraveler
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Spacetraveler wrote:
>
> >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word, a study of
> >wisdom.
>
>
> Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to initiates
> (people
> who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
>
> L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is black
> magic that is spread out over a long time period."
Which is your opinion solely because you are L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
reincarnated, and we have already established that you actually remember
little of your past life. You did not even know about the 'funeral'
ceremony that ONLY A FEW will understand... Black magic? Absurd as was
his son... Trust the man who took a train across Venus...
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
news:d84umm$7a7$1...@news.tdl.com...
>
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Spacetraveler wrote:
> >
> > >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word,
> a study of
> > >wisdom.
> >
> >
> > Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to
> initiates
> > (people
> > who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
> >
> > L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is
> black
> > magic that is spread out over a long time period."
>
>
> Indeed... the more you look at this mess more patently obvious
> it is...on the first version of OT-8,
LRH was vacationing on Jupiter when that came out...
Zinj
@hotmail.com says...
'infiltrator', so you'll have to discard this 'shore story' as an
'infiltrator story'.
Zinj
--
'Think For Yourself!' says Scientology; and then adds: 'Don't forget to
pick up your copy of 'What I Think' from the table by the door, before
you leave.'
Notice! Fake 'Spacetraveler posting prior to this!
posted as: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (Spacetraveler)
through: mail...@dizum.com
Why? I am continuously impersonated... some evidently mentally disturbed
individual(s) find it
necessary to play that game, the sick game of impersonating... and they
can't stop doing it.. it's like an addiction of some sort...
See, they probably hope that it will confuse the readers...
One thing is very odd though, why is no one impersonating Gerry Armstrong
and other critics? Why is it me (Spacetraveler), Barbara Schwarz, Sunsurfer
and some other that most of the time have something positvie have to say
about Scientology that are being impersonated? The hardcore critics are not
being impersonated! Isn't it obvious waht is going on here? Impersonating
and attempting to make me foolish by fake postings serves the critics!
I repeat: I T S E R V E S T H E C R I T I C S ! ! ! ! !
Well, at least this is what they like to think...
Could it be because honest and straightforward persons do not lower
themselves in such ways? Think about it . . . Some posters around here have
the sole purpose to smear those who are in favour of Scientology
technology... why would they do that in such a 'sneaky' (impersonating) way.
Think about it . . .
...attack and destroy those who have something positive to say about
Scientology... kill them.... destroy them... impersonate them... smear
them... do what ever to discredit them... Fair Gaming in action by those
who support the critics?! hmmm, typical...
The majority of the false impersonator posts are posted as:
Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header
and through: mail...@dizum.com
For complaints: ab...@dizum.com
Reason: impersonating another persons username and identity.
Spacetraveler
Notice! Fake 'Spacetraveler posting prior to this!
mail .com
Er, no one in Scientology management considers Scientology a
religion: the crime syndicate calls itself a "religion" and a
"church" only for tax-exemption and public relation status.
---
http://lastliberal.org / I support privatization of religion.
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"I like Tom Cruise now. His insanity has come to the fore. He had no
personality before. Now, he's like a member of your family.... if
your family had a crazy uncle who was liable to take a dump on the
Thanksgiving turkey."
Spacetraveler
"Genesis" <genes...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Spacetraveler <spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1dnpe.139754$dP1.4...@newsc.telia.net...
> >
> > "Phil Scott" <phil...@philscott.net> wrote in message
> > news:d84umm$7a7$1...@news.tdl.com...
> > >
> > > "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1118170623.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Spacetraveler wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word,
> > > a study of
> > > > >wisdom.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is a study of occult wisdom which is dispensed to
> > > initiates
> > > > (people
> > > > who are on the Bridge) in steps over a period of time.
> > > >
> > > > L. Ron Hubbard's son, Ron Jr. rightly said, ""Scientology is
> > > black
> > > > magic that is spread out over a long time period."
> > >
> > >
> > > Indeed... the more you look at this mess more patently obvious
> > > it is...on the first version of OT-8,
> >
> > LRH was not around when that came out, was it LRH?
>
> What evidence do you have to back up your claim ?
When was OT VIII released? It was even after 1986... although LRH had
already disapeared in 1980.
Spacetraveler
Spacetraveler
"Zinj" <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d0fc0272...@news2.lightlink.com...
No, I draw my own conclusions about how or what... I am not like you who
need to have authorities...
Spacetraveler
Barbara Schwarz
That Spacetraveler and I do not attack each other on ARS does not mean
that we are not of different opinions, Joe.
Barbara Schwarz
Gerry Armstrong
<spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"David Spiro" <djs...@bluefrognet.net> wrote in message
>news:d84fh...@enews1.newsguy.com...
>> I'm sorry, but I don't see how this organization can define itself as a
>> religion. the word religion comes from the Latin "religio", meaning "to
>link
>> back." What does Scientology link back to? They seem to purport to do many
>> things, help many people, yet what are their beliefs rooted in?
>
>
>"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word, a study of
>wisdom. Scientology is a study of man as a spirit, in his relationship to
>life and the physical universe.
Mary Sue Hubbard was such a liar. Scientology does not permit a study
of wisdom. Indeed to study wisdom is "another practice" and a PTS
condition, and specifically not permitted in Scientology.
Both because studying wisdom is not allowed in Scientology and because
Scientology is the worst place in the world to find wisdom, Mary Sue
Hubbard is clearly lying.
If a Scientologist had actually pursued a study of wisdom Mary Sue's
GO Thought Police would have been on his case like DM's RTC Thought
Police in the modern era.
Lying is really what Scientology is about, not wisdom. Wisdom isn't
even in the cult's "tech dictionary."
In the cult's "admin dictionary," L. Ron Hubbard defines wisdom as
"knowing how to use your wits." Thus if Scientologists use their wits
to murder all the hundreds of millions of SPs in the world, the
murderous Scientologists would be, by their own "scriptures," *wise*.
>It is non-denominational. By that is meant that Scientology is open to
>people of all religious beliefs and in no way tries to persuade a person
>from his religion, but assists him to better understand that he is a
>spiritual being . . ."
>Mary Sue Hubbard, 1964
>
>Spacetraveler
>
© Gerry Armstrong
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org
Spacetraveler
>On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:00:48 GMT, "Spacetraveler"
><spacetra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"David Spiro" <djs...@bluefrognet.net> wrote in message
>>news:d84fh...@enews1.newsguy.com...
>>> I'm sorry, but I don't see how this organization can define itself as a
>>> religion. the word religion comes from the Latin "religio", meaning "to
>>link
>>> back." What does Scientology link back to? They seem to purport to do many
>>> things, help many people, yet what are their beliefs rooted in?
>>
>>
>>"Scientology is a religion in the oldest sense of the word, a study of
>>wisdom. Scientology is a study of man as a spirit, in his relationship to
>>life and the physical universe.
>
>Mary Sue Hubbard was such a liar. Scientology does not permit a study
>of wisdom. Indeed to study wisdom is "another practice" and a PTS
>condition, and specifically not permitted in Scientology.
>
>Both because studying wisdom is not allowed in Scientology and because
>Scientology is the worst place in the world to find wisdom, Mary Sue
>Hubbard is clearly lying.
What do you expect of a poor little woman who had her womb implanted by
aliens with Barbara Schwarz!...
>
>If a Scientologist had actually pursued a study of wisdom Mary Sue's
>GO Thought Police would have been on his case like DM's RTC Thought
>Police in the modern era.
>
>Lying is really what Scientology is about, not wisdom. Wisdom isn't
>even in the cult's "tech dictionary."
>
>In the cult's "admin dictionary," L. Ron Hubbard defines wisdom as
>"knowing how to use your wits." Thus if Scientologists use their wits
>to murder all the hundreds of millions of SPs in the world, the
>murderous Scientologists would be, by their own "scriptures," *wise*.
Sometimes murdering hundreds of millions of SPs is necessary...
Spacetraveler