[French TV] "Là-bas si j'y suis." The modifiation of the law still in the news
Jens Tingleff
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Bonjour!
The "simplification" which made the law more complicated and thereby removed
the possibility of the criminal organisation known as the "church" <spit>
of $cientology being banned in France this year was discussed. Again. Two
lots of one hour, apparently.
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/220-francais/la-bas-si-jy-suis-58422/#post1102393
Best regards
Jens
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xenufrance
"Jens Tingleff" <jens...@tingleff.org> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> Bonjour!
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> The "simplification" which made the law more complicated and thereby
> removed
> the possibility of the criminal organisation known as the "church" <spit>
> of $cientology being banned in France this year was discussed. Again. Two
> lots of one hour, apparently.
>
> http://forums.whyweprotest.net/220-francais/la-bas-si-jy-suis-58422/#post1102393
Yes the important french radio "France Inter" has done twoparts of a sh�ow
on the cult two days ago and yesterday.
It's indeed troubling to see that the law has been strangely modified.
My opinion nevertheless, despite the fact that I'm not a sarkozianist ;-)),
is that the modification was to help big banks and big companies in case
where some of their highest leaders would be sued and convicted for fraud
etc.
Scientology has nevertheless learned about that change before almost
everywone, but that could come from the fact that the french Chamber of
Deputies had enrolled and paid the US companiy Lexis-Nexis in the plan of
french laws simplification. It's quite probable that Lexis-Nexis has some
scientology attorney or attorneys as consultant, no? So, the guy can have
seen that bizarre change.
Unless than by some strange hazard, a scientologist very knowledgeable in
law, discovered it accidentally, but I doubt a lot it could have been that.
r
Eldon
> "Jens Tingleff" <jenst...@tingleff.org> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> > Bonjour!
>
> > The "simplification" which made the law more complicated and thereby
> > removed
> > the possibility of the criminal organisation known as the "church" <spit>
> > of $cientology being banned in France this year was discussed. Again. Two
> > lots of one hour, apparently.
>
>
> Yes the important french radio "France Inter" has done twoparts of a shàow
> on the cult two days ago and yesterday.
>
> It's indeed troubling to see that the law has been strangely modified.
>
> My opinion nevertheless, despite the fact that I'm not a sarkozianist ;-)),
> is that the modification was to help big banks and big companies in case
> where some of their highest leaders would be sued and convicted for fraud
> etc.
How would it be about the leaders, Roger? I thought the issue was
whether a legal entity (corporate person) could be disbanded, which is
a little like a death sentence for the organization.
>
> Scientology has nevertheless learned about that change before almost
> everywone, but that could come from the fact that the french Chamber of
> Deputies had enrolled and paid the US companiy Lexis-Nexis in the plan of
> french laws simplification. It's quite probable that Lexis-Nexis has some
> scientology attorney or attorneys as consultant, no? So, the guy can have
> seen that bizarre change.
Jean-Luc Warsmann obviously hired the French Lexis-Nexis operation,
not the American one. It is a legal research and publishing company,
so having them sort through the laws to find discrepancies would make
sense. In fact, Warsmann specifically said Lexis-Nexis compiled a list
of texts that needed to be corrected, but didn't reword the statutes.
So who did? He hasn't said as far as I can see. Anyway, it's good that
investigations are happening.
xenufrance
"Eldon" <Eldo...@aol.com> a �crit dans le message de news:
5c43cdc9-10fa-4f5d...@e7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...> "Jens Tingleff" <jenst...@tingleff.org> a �crit dans le message de news:
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> > Bonjour!
>
> > The "simplification" which made the law more complicated and thereby
> > removed
> > the possibility of the criminal organisation known as the "church"
> > <spit>
> > of $cientology being banned in France this year was discussed. Again.
> > Two
> > lots of one hour, apparently.
>
> >http://forums.whyweprotest.net/220-francais/la-bas-si-jy-suis-58422/#...
>
> on the cult two days ago and yesterday.
>
> It's indeed troubling to see that the law has been strangely modified.
>
> My opinion nevertheless, despite the fact that I'm not a sarkozianist
> ;-)),
> is that the modification was to help big banks and big companies in case
> where some of their highest leaders would be sued and convicted for fraud
> etc.
How would it be about the leaders, Roger? I thought the issue was
whether a legal entity (corporate person) could be disbanded, which is
a little like a death sentence for the organization.
>
> Scientology has nevertheless learned about that change before almost
> everywone, but that could come from the fact that the french Chamber of
> Deputies had enrolled and paid the US companiy Lexis-Nexis in the plan of
> french laws simplification. It's quite probable that Lexis-Nexis has some
> scientology attorney or attorneys as consultant, no? So, the guy can have
> seen that bizarre change.
Jean-Luc Warsmann obviously hired the French Lexis-Nexis operation,
not the American one. It is a legal research and publishing company,
so having them sort through the laws to find discrepancies would make
sense. In fact, Warsmann specifically said Lexis-Nexis compiled a list
of texts that needed to be corrected, but didn't reword the statutes.
I understand your viewpoint, but in no case such a consultant should be
hired to do anything about french lawsz. That's really the very worse thing
one can imagine: having a foreign country dictating somewhat some laws. It's
really insane for me; I've never seen such a case, and if it exists, it
should be immediately forbidden by legal texts. Unless the country allowing
it allows alos the who�le lot of insane laws of another country to supersede
soon or late any national ones.
Not that I believe in nationalism: I believe in justice. That's far from any
such concept.
So who did? He hasn't said as far as I can see. Anyway, it's good that
investigations are happening.
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indeed, we don't know how it happened, but that'll be known.
Eldon
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> > > Bonjour!
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> > > The "simplification" which made the law more complicated and thereby
> > > removed
> > > the possibility of the criminal organisation known as the "church"
> > > <spit>
> > > of $cientology being banned in France this year was discussed. Again.
> > > Two
> > > lots of one hour, apparently.
>
> > >http://forums.whyweprotest.net/220-francais/la-bas-si-jy-suis-58422/#...
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> soon or late any national ones.
I agree that it's questionable if they did more than an administrative
function of compiling a list of contradictions in the law. Also, I
think a Lexis-Nexis national operation in a foreign country couldn't
do much with another country's statutes, in another language. They're
just too different.