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Jens Tingleff

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Aug 24, 2006, 3:23:19 AM8/24/06
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Howdy!

The BBC had an item about the short clam and his new artistic freedom :-)

Ther was an interview with Pat Simmonds (spelling ?) of the LA Times. She
quoted some reasons that Tom was let go:

- - Jumping on couch

- - Promoting $cientology and TomKat when he should have been promoting War of
the Worlds

- - Criticising Brooke Shields

- - Theatening to not promote MI III if South Park was repeated

Sure, the chatter also mentioned poor box office from MI III.

The local entertainment expert and Ms Simmonds agreed that this probably all
went back to Cruise sacking his original PR chief.

So, it looks like behaving like a clam is not the way to make friends and
gain influence :-)

Best Regards

Jens

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thebo...@googlemail.com

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Aug 24, 2006, 6:18:46 AM8/24/06
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Yeah Jens,
Lets take your example... Critics are NOT behaving like a clams, but
are really a failure in life.
I can see you still wearing the same hat you bought 20 years ago and
your site has not change one bit, And lets not talk about your other
friends that are not behaving like clams and by the way are either so
sick they cannot type or appear like bums when you do your poor show
in front of the Churches of Scientology. If the boom box work heheh.
It is very easy to judge who lives his life on the lime lights however
has made out of his life a successfull career, instead of you guys,
You pass your time to (CRRRRRRRRRR SPUT ) "criticize". At least Tom
Cruise had a contract with Paramount . What about you? are you still
dreaming about cars? or you planning to buy your next extra extra large
overcoat?
I know you have been coaxed into this and you guys try to do your best
. But, have you ever thought you were on the wrong side? Manipulated
by the media and helped by some sick people who rather die than
uncover their crimes against humanity? And you definetly know what I am
talking about and your connections.
I will be watching you closely and see your downfall and like
monthypython use to say "l Fart in your general direction".
And by the way I think Tom Cruise will do that too from one of his
multimillion villa.
No I am not from OSA ... I am an innocent bystander who has been seeing
you guys doing your CRRRRRRR SPUUUTTT " criticism" since time
immemorial . And yes I happento be a clam and I resent your childish
persistence which is very near religuos hatred. I am just waiting you
pass that point to take you out with your gang of degraded CRRRRR
SPUUUT "critics"
Best
Freddy

thebo...@googlemail.com

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Zinj

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says...

Heh. Did you think that typing it twice would make it sound
less pathetic?

Whistling by the graveyard are we?

Zinj
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You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think

thebo...@googlemail.com

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Aug 24, 2006, 6:36:39 AM8/24/06
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Ya Zin Your grave Your yard.... hehehehe

Hartley Patterson

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thebo...@googlemail.com:

Hey Jens, I think they've finally realised you are our Ringleader!

> I know you have been coaxed into this and you guys try to do your best

I'm not sure what you mean by 'coaxed', I was invited to my first
picket, enjoyed it and just carried on.

> . But, have you ever thought you were on the wrong side? Manipulated
> by the media

On the wrong side, no. Whether particular activities were worth the
effort, yes. So far as the media goes it is more a case of us trying to
manipulate them I would have thought.

--
"I just might be the angel at your door"
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
A medieval spreadsheet and enturbulating entheta.

thebo...@googlemail.com

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Aug 24, 2006, 2:36:23 PM8/24/06
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Dear Hartley , wake up from fantasyland
Since the elves and the gnome got you, you are not talking any sense.
Look at the media and the expansion of the "clams" .
You are loosing guys and you are in any case still looking pathetic.
Jens know what I have wrote and he is not at all answering because he
knows what I am saying it is true...... Media manipulation and
connections that are just using you like puppets . And you still show
up with your little plakard.
It is more than 5 years you are at it guys .... and where did you get
?
NOWHERE... hahahahahahaha
I think that as CRRRRRRRRR SPUUUTTTTTTTT " critics" you just dwindling
down because one of your group is manipulating you and getting you to
(SPUT )"critic" when their strategy is to make money our of the whole
thing. It is hard to admit that you have been used Hartley.
Look into yourselves, If you can, and know that all you can do is to
write on this pathetic forum and fantasticate victories which are never
translating into actual reality.
Well.... I will be standing by and exert some "freedom of speech " too.

As a little exercise have a look also at the positive media on the
clams and if you can, re-think your statement.
Only because you know a bit of computer and you are sitting on a
second hand 386 at home you got with your dole money... it does not
change that you ar in fact a looser.
Get your act together and learn that if you want to critic you got to
try both sides. Come into a church and try. But off course you are
scared lika a hare..... run then
Best
Freddy

Xenu-Slave

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thebo...@googlemail.com wrote:
> As a little exercise have a look also at the positive media on the
> clams and if you can, re-think your statement.

What positive media? I would love to see a single positive article
about Scientology that has come out in the past year, and wasn't put
out by Scientologist's, like their 'Freedom' magazine.

Out_Of_The_Dark

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thebo...@googlemail.com wrote:
"I am an innocent bystander who has been seeing> you guys doing your
CRRRRRRR SPUUUTTT " criticism" since time> immemorial . "

-----Freddy, you are not supposed to be here on ARS because then you
are associating with a 'suppressive group' according to Scientology
ethics and related HCOBs and HCOPLs .


"And yes I happento be a clam and I resent your childish persistence
which is very near religuos hatred."

----Most of the people here do not even consider Scientology a
religion. So, let's face it. You are a resentful 'clam'. Does your EO
or your Course Sup or your C/S know about this? You are required to
report that you come here and are 'pts' , according to PTS tech.( FYI,
that is an example pf how the cult, the Clam Raker, gets to rake you
back in)

" I am just waiting you pass that point to take you out with your gang
of degraded CRRRRR SPUUUT "critics"

-----You obviously have some serious issues to make a threat like that.
No one here wants to see violence or Fair Game tactics ( except OSA)
used when the simple solutions is for you to do:

1) go and report all this to your EO and do what your church standards
say to do. OR
2) take a long vacation from Scientology and the internet and
gracefully fade from the clutches of the 'church' so you can get some
perspective.

No one is attacking you personally so there is no reason why you should
feel so compelled to personally threaten an attack back. Your 'church'
runs an OSA ops designed to do all that so you can be undistracted from
forking money more over.

OSA holds an arsenel of tactics and funds to take out whoever they
want. We're all still trying to find out what happened to Maty Rathbun
and several other missing execs recent or past. If you don't watch out,
they'll be after you, too, so go report your self to HCO or start
creating your safety plan to escape long enought to get some real
perspective. You'll be in doubt until you do this or the PTS ethic
'handle or disconnect'

JustCallMeFreeFromScientology

Zinj

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Aug 24, 2006, 3:50:47 PM8/24/06
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In article <1156444582.965312.87040@
75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, thebo...@googlemail.com says...

<snip>

> As a little exercise have a look also at the positive media on the
> clams and if you can, re-think your statement.

OK. Let's do that. Where is it?
Over by the hen's teeth?

thebo...@googlemail.com

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Aug 24, 2006, 4:18:53 PM8/24/06
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Dear OUT In the DARK ,
I am so sorry if you think I ma pissed off with you and people CRRRRRRR
SPUUT " critics" like you.

You think I am a resentful Clam .. you wrong ... I just want to
exercise a bit of " freedom of Speech " like you do. Make you feel how
it is from this side .... have your own beliefs being sluggered off
irrespectfully day after day by a bunch of loosers that just not get
ANYWHERE in life.

I have a very good relationship with my ethics officer and my church as
a Clam I so your suggestions are vague and very inappropriate.

You have been too much in the DARK you should come to light .

And NO I am sorry I have total freedom to be here and tell you what you
are ..

Too bad you cannot see in the DARK where you are .

But I thank you for your suggestions and I hope you are doign well in
the Dark

I cannot really say you are very true to yourself. I have been going
around and whatched you for quite sometime and saw what are your
posting and your pathetic excuses for what you call criticism . and
Sites you put up. It must take quite some time and money to get this
done and all its say to me that is that you are being just manipulated
into this.

Most of the people on this planet will not dream to dedicate the time
you have, to do what you do . Use your time in a better way.

My suggestion is that YOU take a break from the internet my dear
fellow, I am just getting started. And I would like to give you some
suggestions too:
1. realize you are disaffected and guilty of suppressive acts ( Using
your lingo)
2. go to a church and ask humbly forgivness and say you are sorry for
what you have done for the religious hatred you have spread and for
everytime you exposed others to confidential data you KNOW you wehere
not supposed to
3. use your time for becoming a better person and if you really want
and never did try a bit what you criticize... do a bit od scientology .
If you have already done it then go back where you started because you
have great misunderstandings of what really religion is all about.
4. If you really do not want " spend your money and time " into
Scientology then use them to a better purpose there are millions of
Charities around that will welcome you.

I have no doubt that OSA will use their tactics and get you ... but why
don't you finish yourself you know that this CRRRRRRR SPUUUT
"criticism" is not getting you anywhere but will only contribute to the
manipulation you are subject to and you know what I am tallking about
.... In the Dark you can still be handled .

Freddy

Out_Of_The_Dark

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Aug 24, 2006, 9:07:49 PM8/24/06
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Your reply is filled with far too many presumptions for me to waste my
'time' defining and correcting. You will never know the freedom others
here have gained as long as you continue to pretend to be an average
nonstaff Scientology 'clam' while posting here claims that you are
doing this on your own with your EO's consent. You lie because you are
claiming a freedom that the average scientologist is not even allowed
to cconsider.

I am just an ex-scientologist who finally broke free of the lingering
suppression that had continued to influence my thoughts and patterns,
despite years of no contact or 'thought' on the subject. Freedom came
back to me in full the day when I opened my eyes to enormous amount of
facts and testimonies to be seen on the internet.

By reading others posts and speaking out from my heart on issues as
opposed to plying the board like you do with 'cult' dictated hogwash, I
found my right to true freedom return. ARS is a tricky environment
because one has to be aware of the OSA, CCHR moles and trolls and the
spamming weirdos as well as infrequent wackos like you, who make
physical threats because someone else here posts something they don't
like.

Despite all that, there are many good intentioned & valuable posts and
posters here, with many facts, truths and documents to provide as
evidence of the wrongs of Scientology in the face of a cult's
technology that claims to be good and helpful. I am trained and hatted
enough to know truth from lies and this evidence has been part of the
light showing the way out of the darkness that scientology hatting,
auditing and training kept me locked into for so long. My faith in God
was the source of strength I relied upon to walk away, not the God of
Scientology, the indoctrinated idol called L.Ron Hubbard and his
teachings that management pounds it's public and staff to into the dark
with.

There are scientologists reading posts here every day, UNBEKNOWNST to
their EO or C/S. I've invested some time of my flexable time to get to
know some of all that exisits here and take advantage of the cathartic
effects of saying what I feel about the cult called Church of
Scientology. This is the essence of 'freedom of speech' and I have
embraced it to gain back as much as I can of what I let the cult
control for so many years. Even the precautions of one has to take, in
order to reveal facts in a timely and effective manner while fending
off the ever-oppressive OSA, is a part of freedom never granted the
average scientologist.

You are clueless when you say you have that kind of freedom. Posters
like you are sad examples of what the cult does to it's members and you
are in a minority here on ARS.

The truths to be found on ARS, and the internet, are the necessary
agreements I needed to break away completely from the hidden
cult-controlled thoughts and influences. Now all I work towards is
getting to the point where I can be completely free to speak all that I
know without the victims and their loved ones being dragged into a mess
they might not want to be brought back into. So while I work on that, I
concentrate on the readers still locked in to the cult and post what I
think will be helpful to them or someone else they know. Even you took
the time to read up on my posts so there must have been some ring of
truth to cause you to invest that kind of time in little old nothing
me.

I brought so many people into this cult that I feel the least I can do
is post what I know or believe so that others in the cult have
something more than faith to rely upon. They deserve to know that they
are not alone and freedom can be had. Posts like mine on ARS provides a
viewpoint and hopefully some of them will be of help to someone in
need.
You make it look like I am paid to do what I do here. That makes you
sound like the mole LilyFirered, lol! I am just a person who is making
up for lost time, while I have the opportunity to fit some time on ARS
in to my schedule.

FYI, I quietly left your 'church' over 14 years ago after many years of
dedicated service as a staff member, volunteer and FSM helping 'clear
the planet'.

I did not publicly announce this to anyone, nor did I bad mouth the
church for the injustices done to me and the injustices I saw happening
to others.

Death and suicide were the end result of Scientology's impact on
several of my friends and family. I am hoping that one day I will be
able to locate and open up the subject with others effected by these
deaths. I know how easy it is to want to forget the COS, so I am in no
hurry to get others to help dig up old bones that they might just
prefer be left untouched if opening up the subject means having the OSA
up their butt.

So, after making up my mind to disconnect from this cult, I kept my
mouth shut about everything, and maintained a neutral position while I
personally did what I could to florish and prosper because I was just
one person and not in any position to go up against the evil I had come
to see and be privy to that pervades the cult called Scientology.

I no longer went into the orgs, or FSM'd but I continued being kind
when the org phone calls came, always being super busy and unavailable,
always taking opportunities as they came up, to unload the many
scientology clients I had, people I loved and who trusted me to help
them, so that my association with them would not someday endanger them
any way. I didn't want Int Management or OSA to interfere in the lives
of these innocent bystanders, as had happened to many in the early
80's.

These were people I truely cared about but I had to do it this way or
OSA would just us all up if I did otherwise. I was just one person and
I decided to live with my integrity rather than pretend to support an
organization that allowed it's staff to treat it's members as Fair Game
if they got out of line. It took quite a few years and was very
stressful for me juggling all my activities and family responsibilities
so I moved away and finalized the work relationship with the remaining
scientology clients, eventually selling my business of the
non-scientology clients.


By June of 1998, I was finally off the lines of all scientologists and
orgs I'd ever had contact with and all was 'uneventful' in the eyes of
everyone but me. The calls had since ceased and I was finally able to
concentrate on my wellbeing, my family and my faith in God without
having to suppress truth anymore.Over time, Scientology became
nonexistent to me, I kept moving forward and never looked back- until I
got a phone call in 2005 from someone trying to FSM me back into the
church. It was as if the dead had risen from the grave.

Only some at Int Management knew why I left so I did not go into
details with the caller about why I am not active but thanks the
person for the call. It was this call and the caller's comment that
Hubbard is his God that gave me the courage to actually type the word
'Scientology' in the google search bar and look at what I had feared to
see for so many years.

Even amid the chaos found on on ARS and the varied content on the many
available pro & con web sites, I found what I needed to become free of
Scientology. One day I hope to tell everything I know but for now,
there is plenty available on the internet to keep me and others aware
of the facts that your 'Church' of Scientology does not want it's
members to know.

JustCallMeMary

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jerald

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Aug 24, 2006, 9:33:07 PM8/24/06
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Awwwwww Freddy,

Of course you are a clam. Gee you guys are always so depressing in
your attacks. You dance around anything that might show you have a
mind of your own and just end up looking stupid.
Yep the critics have been bitching forever haven't they? But in the
last year or so those few voices have grown quite a bit. And its
people like you that we have to thank for that. So hey, THANKS!!!
Every lurker and new visitor who reads your stuff and Lilly's and of
course BS sees you all have so little to stand up for and poof, new
critic.
Just add clam and bullshit and there you go.


You wish you were half the person Dark is.


jerald

Out_Of_The_Dark

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jerald wrote:
> Awwwwww Freddy,
>
> Of course you are a clam. Gee you guys are always so depressing in
> your attacks. You dance around anything that might show you have a
> mind of your own and just end up looking stupid.
> Yep the critics have been bitching forever haven't they? But in the
> last year or so those few voices have grown quite a bit. And its
> people like you that we have to thank for that. So hey, THANKS!!!
> Every lurker and new visitor who reads your stuff and Lilly's and of
> course BS sees you all have so little to stand up for and poof, new
> critic.
> Just add clam and bullshit and there you go.
>
>
> You wish you were half the person Dark is.
>
>
> jerald <

Jerald, thank you. Freddy is miles away from where you are in the
understanding department, and to my knowledge you have never been a
member of Scientology. That says alot about you and about the
information available on the internet for all to see.

In case the readers don't know this about you, Jerald: You are one of
those former lurkers and I hope every reader does what you have done
and contine to do:
Read, investigate both points of view, study the the supporting facts
or lack of them, and after weighing one side against the other, draw
your own conclusions.

That is called making the most of your right to have freedom of choice.


JustCallMeMary

Out_Of_The_Dark_Forever

jerald

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Aug 24, 2006, 10:57:19 PM8/24/06
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Thanks Mary,

I was lucky enough not to fall into scientology when I went through my
search for the meaning of life. But I am very aware that it could just
as easily been me joining a cult.
Yeah I lurked for a bit. And I learned a lot from doing it. Just as I
learned a lot from watching the video's at xenutv.com. No matter the
spin they try to put up , the videos speak for themselves.
And yeah, I should scare the hell out of scientology. I'm not special
in any way. Just an normal person. And I had no problem seeing the
truth. And as soon as the critics open up the normal persons eyes to
scientolgy we will all raise up and take this soul sucking cult down.


I think you should see Freddies attack on you as a sign you are doing
something right.

But yeah Freddie, we see you for just who you are. Another spam clam.

jerald

Out_Of_The_Dark

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Freddy aka ' thebo...@googlemail.com wrote:

" And yes I happento be a clam and I resent your childish persistence

which is very near religuos hatred." ..."I am just waiting you pass


that point to take you out with your gang of degraded CRRRRR SPUUUT
"critics"

You need to chill out and get a grip Freddy. You cannot go around here
making violent threats like that. Report yourself to your EO if you
care to remain a 'clam' or get out of the cult as soon, as you can, and
get some rest.

Eldonbraun

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Jens Tingleff wrote:
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> Howdy!
>
> The BBC had an item about the short clam and his new artistic freedom :-)
>
> Ther was an interview with Pat Simmonds (spelling ?) of the LA Times. She
> quoted some reasons that Tom was let go:
>
> - - Jumping on couch
>
> - - Promoting $cientology and TomKat when he should have been promoting War of
> the Worlds
>
> - - Criticising Brooke Shields
>
> - - Theatening to not promote MI III if South Park was repeated
>
> Sure, the chatter also mentioned poor box office from MI III.
>
> The local entertainment expert and Ms Simmonds agreed that this probably all
> went back to Cruise sacking his original PR chief.

So, we might ask, what precipitated that and his new role as
Scientology cheerleader? Seems like he might have been pressured to get
some public awareness due to downstats.

It's worth noting that a CBS opinion poll recently posted showed the
following:
* 40% of the US populace have no opinion (don't know enough to form
one).
* 8% of those polled have a positive iimpression.
* 52% have a negative impression.

I imagine the ratios would be similar in the UK. What's interesting is
that, leaving out the 40% who are clueless and only considering those
who know enough to form an opinion, we get a 6.5 to 1 ratio of people
who think Scientology sucks compared to those with positive thoughts
about it. These are kiss of death numbers.

Meanwhile, the cult has desperately been trying to put up a beneficent
facade with VMs swarming to disaster sites and bulk shipments of "The
Way to Happiness" in Arabic to Lebanon.

Keep up the good work, Tom! You're driving down the stats despite their
best efforts to appear humanitarian.

Jens Tingleff

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thebo...@googlemail.com wrote:

>
> Yeah Jens,

[remove generalities, attempted "invalidation" and condenscending attempts
to insult anyone's intellegence]

Wow! Thursday 2PM comes but once a week, eh?

Very Well Done to all UK critics for making OSA snarl :-)

Best Regards

Jens
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Out_Of_The_Dark wrote:

<snip>

Very good post, thanks!

Peach
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http://www.scientology-lies.com

thebo...@googlemail.com

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Aug 25, 2006, 11:16:34 AM8/25/06
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Ahhhhh ,
Finally a couple of answers from the CRRRRRRRRRR STPUUUT "critics...."
By the way Jens... it is Friday and I am still writing to you.. So
spare the Thursday 2:pm Bull.
I was making you more effective guys . You know that speed of partlicle
flow determines power ... NO?
Reality is that all your space is just reduced to all this bit of hard
drive on google.
How sad of you .
Jens..... frankly I was waiting for something better from you . The
man with the hat who travelled even in France to take a glance at the
antiscientologists there. Quick! consult with Ritson because patterson
is busy with his gnomes at home and Bird may be needs to set aside
more before he can buy another computer.
I must say that you have just very few feeble arguments and really are
not effective in any way seeing the recent expansion of the C OF S.
Is that all the best (crrrrrrr sputt) "critics" can do ?
WOW!
Thanks for the answewr of all the others. I am still laughing in your
general direction.
Will be standing by and watching your postings and next time you want
to put up more crap think about who you are first and where are you at
the moment. After all this is a very serious Forum and crap is not
allowed...hahahahahaha
All the best of luck to you ...
Freddy
PS: I said that ... I am not from osa... I just exert a bit of "freedom
of Speech" to use your lingo. So do not get all up tight... If osa move
you will be noticing it . They are (UL) effective and they get their
job done.

Zinj

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Aug 25, 2006, 11:30:43 AM8/25/06
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> Freddy
> PS: I said that ... I am not from osa... I just exert a bit of "freedom
> of Speech" to use your lingo. So do not get all up tight... If osa move
> you will be noticing it . They are (UL) effective and they get their
> job done.

Oh yeah. *Very* effective :)

Look at all the people 'shuddered into silence'. Hubbard said it
would always work, so, maybe OSA is doing it wrong. The
'effectiveness' seems mostly in the area of imitation of
keystone kops

Xenu-Slave

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Aug 25, 2006, 11:31:57 AM8/25/06
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theborg...@googlemail.com wrote:
> As a little exercise have a look also at the positive media on the
> clams and if you can, re-think your statement.

Zinj and I are still waiting to see some of this positive media you are
referring to. Please provide us with some examples.

> I must say that you have just very few feeble arguments and really are
> not effective in any way seeing the recent expansion of the C OF S.

What recent expansion? Just because the Org tells you Scientology is
having an expansion, doesn't mean there is one. And with the increased
awareness of Scientology through the media (52% unfavorable to
Scientology, 40% don't care, 8% favorable) Scientology is having a very
difficult time recruiting these days.

However Tory and other ex-Scientologists post here constantly saying
how more Scientologist's have left and contacted her.

jerald

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Aug 25, 2006, 11:38:50 AM8/25/06
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I'm glad I was able to give you a reason to laugh borg. I'm sure with
you being in scientology you don't get much chance to laugh. As for
the press scientology has gotten as of late. Is there any good stories
out there? The only one I saw today was on CNN and I really don't
think you guys would call it a scientology feel good story.

jerald

Hartley Patterson

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Aug 25, 2006, 1:47:24 PM8/25/06
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thebo...@googlemail.com:

> Look at the media and the expansion of the "clams" .

I look more than most. I see no expansion. The ASOs are shrinking,
course completions are falling, and - is it three new Orgs in ten years?

You're lying.

> It is more than 5 years you are at it guys .... and where did you get

IIRC the first picket by the present UK group was in 1996. There were
earlier pickets by others.

> As a little exercise have a look also at the positive media on the
> clams and if you can, re-think your statement.

I can't think of a single TV program on the cult that has been positive,
many that have been negative. If I ask you to name one, you'll just
ignore me.

You're lying.

> Only because you know a bit of computer and you are sitting on a
> second hand 386 at home you got with your dole money

It's an Athlon 1700 and it was voluntary redundancy money - after 25
years with that company, quite a lot of it :-)

> Get your act together and learn that if you want to critic you got to
> try both sides. Come into a church and try.

If I was interested in trying Scientology I'd do so through the
Freezone, but I'm not. I'm not here to attack scientology anyway, just
destroy the nasty little cult that feeds on it. The beliefs are not
relevant to the ethical and secular crimes of the cult.

Hephaestus

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Aug 26, 2006, 1:51:53 AM8/26/06
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He must mean that poll they took in trementia, you know, the one where
they got a +90% disapproval rating.

Jens Tingleff

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Aug 26, 2006, 5:10:09 AM8/26/06
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thebo...@googlemail.com wrote:

> Ahhhhh ,
> Finally a couple of answers from the CRRRRRRRRRR STPUUUT "critics...."
> By the way Jens... it is Friday and I am still writing to you.. So
> spare the Thursday 2:pm Bull.

Oh, on a lengthy project, are you? An amends project?? Whatever they do to
you, remember that it's the criminal cult known as the "church" <spit> of
$cientology which is doing it, not the critics.

> I was making you more effective guys . You know that speed of partlicle
> flow determines power ... NO?

Ah, probably not, no. Would you like to phrase that in English? I can see
that English is not your first language (well, I hope it isn't...), but do
try to phrase it in a way understandable not only by the mind-fucked
victims of the criminal cult, won't you?

> Jens..... frankly I was waiting for something better from you . The
> man with the hat

So, you return to the hat. Fascinating. Let me quote your earlier post:

> I can see you still wearing the same hat you bought 20 years ago and

Your powers of observation are remarkable! A hat I bought 20 years ago!!
Incredible!!! Especially since it seems to change with time, sometime being
made of straw, sometime of felt.

The rest of your observations are somewhat less accurate and to the point,
so I'll stop wasting my time right here.

[..]


> I must say that you have just very few feeble arguments and really are
> not effective in any way seeing the recent expansion of the C OF S.

If that's "expansion" it's doing, I hope to see a whole lot more of it!

Best Regards

Jens

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Hartley Patterson

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Aug 26, 2006, 1:21:19 PM8/26/06
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Hephaestus zeusni...@yahoo.com:

> He must mean that poll they took in trementia, you know, the one where
> they got a +90% disapproval rating.

Were you thinking of Clearwater or wherever the Lisa McPherson civil
case was due to be held?

To create yet another delay, the CoS lawyers produced a poll of local
citizens showing that an overwhelming majority of them knew about
Scientology and didn't like it. Therefore... it would be impossible to
find an unbiased jury!

Great plan guys. I bet that raised the Tone Scale at Flag.

Hephaestus

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Aug 26, 2006, 4:09:33 PM8/26/06
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Actually I think it was a poll done in New Mexico done by a local TY
station that did a special on scientology. KRQE was the name of
station I believe.

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