Daily Show does Tom Cruise
Fredric L. Rice
I suppose everyone's heard that a pro-choice group of people ran an
advertisement that noted that Bush's choice for the Supreme Court
supports women's clinic bombings, noting an opinion Roberts issued
in favor and _support_ of one of the Christians who was caught.
The lie? Roberts defended the Christian bomber SEVEN YEARS BEFORE
the bomber blew up the woman's clinic. Ergo Roberts supports
Christian terrorism.
Then Jon Stewart commented about this line of reasoning -- or more
accurately, this _lie_ of reasoning. He put up a photograph of
Michael Jackson behind him and said, "Ergo everyone who purchased
Michael Jackson's ''Thriller...''" At which point everyone in the
audience laughed -- while Stewart kept his mouth shut, glanced at
his producer, then quickly and very quietly said, "Is a child molester."
<rofl!> I can't _STAND_ it. }:-}
Then Stewart changed the tone. He showed that Roberts is also getting
flack for having once worked 10 hours on a single pro bono case in
the defense of gays.
<heh> Stewart said something like, "Come on, guys... We can all admit
to at least _one_ pro bono homosexual case once in our lives. In fact
that's what High School is for." <rofl!>
"A moment of reflection" was about Tom Cruise exhibiting his freakish
Scientology-motivated insanity on world-wide television, noting with
particular focus his "dignity." <rofl!>
Jesus, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart is _funny_. It's actually
worth watching.
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Lisa Ruby
>Ergo Roberts supports
>Christian terrorism.
There is no such thing as Christian
terrorism. There IS such a thing as
people who represent themselves as
Christians who commit terrorist acts
but there is no such thing as a genuine
Christian who commits terrorism.
Fredric L. Rice is not the only person who is linking Christians with
terroism.
The authors of the Left Behind
Series are also conditioning
the public to think that Christians
can behave like terrorists.
See:
Murder for "The Cause"
http://libertytothecaptives.net/murder_for_the_cause.html
[Note: Watch the press. In the coming years it will become common to
read about "Christians" being arrested for
terrorist acts. This is an integral part of the New Age/NWO agenda.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Kim Palmer
> Fredric Rice wrote:
>
>
>>Ergo Roberts supports
>>Christian terrorism.
>
>
> There is no such thing as Christian
> terrorism. There IS such a thing as
> people who represent themselves as
> Christians who commit terrorist acts
> but there is no such thing as a genuine
> Christian who commits terrorism.
>
yeah there is - every single time a christian demands that someone
convert to their religion to be saved or marches into a different
country or culture to convert and save the savages they are terrorist.
No religion has the right to force itself onto those that do not follow
its tenents - ever. Anyone who thinks prosletysing is a good thing is
wrong - it is forcing your religion down someone's throat whether they
want to hear it or not. I don't give a darn if you think you have the
ONLY PATH to salvation - keep it to yourself and out of my public
schools and out of the supermarket where I shop - keep it where it
belongs in your church.
Kim P
>
Fredric L. Rice
>Fredric Rice wrote:
>>Ergo Roberts supports Christian terrorism.
>There is no such thing as Christian terrorism.
Jesus Fucking Christ. Christian baby killers have slaughtered over
100,000 innocent Iraqis so far -- that we know of. And this insane
moron wants to play pretend they're not Christians.
Amazing.
pitdog
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Fredric Rice wrote:
>>
>>>Ergo Roberts supports Christian terrorism.
>>
>>There is no such thing as Christian terrorism.
>
>
> Jesus Fucking Christ. Christian baby killers have slaughtered over
> 100,000 innocent Iraqis so far -- that we know of. And this insane
> moron wants to play pretend they're not Christians.
well, look at what the Vatican thinks and says about this war, or any
war... think man, think
Simkatu
The Vatican isn't the sole speaker for Christendom. They don't even
speak for all Catholics. Many christian and catholic people think the
pope is a heretic that will burn in hell.
When people self-identify as Christians, there's not much one can do to
logically argue they aren't Christians. There are billions of
self-identifying Christians and no two have exactly the same idea on
what is good, what is bad, who is God, what needs to be done to get to
heaven, or what the meaning of any particular verse in the Bible means.
It isn't like you can just say "THEY ARE SINNERS, THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT
CHRISTIANS".
pitdog
business, not religion. and the last sentence doesn't make sense as
well, its not what im saying at all. also, citing some silly extremist
points of view doesnt make a discussion really worthwhile...
btw i thought this is scientology newsgroup... why these diversions
pitdog
> pitdog wrote:
>
>> Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>>
>>> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fredric Rice wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ergo Roberts supports Christian terrorism.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as Christian terrorism.
>
>
>>> Jesus Fucking Christ. Christian baby killers have slaughtered over
>>> 100,000 innocent Iraqis so far -- that we know of. And this insane
>>> moron wants to play pretend they're not Christians.
>>
>>
>> well, look at what the Vatican thinks and says about this war, or any
>> war... think man, think
>
>
> The Vatican isn't the sole speaker for Christendom. They don't even
> speak for all Catholics. Many christian and catholic people think the
> pope is a heretic that will burn in hell.
thats not the point. the point is - christianity does not support these
wars,
its simple, dont complicate something that simple. also, dont mix
religion with
politics and business. those who are fighting are soldiers, no matter
their religious convictions, orders or some silly (?) patriotic
convictions drive them.
mail.com
> There is no such thing as Christian terrorism.
History and reality says you are wrong.
PROTESTANTS KILLED BY ROMAN CATHOLICS
In no case are all those listed represented as "official" martyrs of the
various Protestant or proto-Protestant sects, but ALL were killed by Roman
Catholics because of their Protestant or proto-Protestant beliefs.
*****************************************
Audebert, Ann: burned at Orleans, France, in 1549
Apprice, John: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Astoo, (first name unknown): burned in England circa 1557
Adlington, Henry: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Adams, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1546
Askew, Anne: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1546
Anderson, William: executed in Scotland, in 1543
Brewster, John: burned in England, on 18 October, 1511
Barnes, Robert: burned at London, England, on 30 July, 1540
Belenian, Nicholas: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1546
Bradford, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1535
Browne, Thomas: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Bowyer, Thomas: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Bongeor, Agnes: burned at Colcester, England, in 1557
Badby, John: burned at London, England, on 1 March, 1410
Cooper, Elizabeth: burned at Norwich, England, in 1557
Cawch, Lyon: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Cranmer, Thomas: burned in England on 21 March, 1556
Carpenter, George: burned at Munich, Germany, in 1527
Cardmaker (first name unknown): burned at Smithfield, England, in 1555
Derifall, John: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Drowry, Thomas: executed at Gloucester, England, in 1556
Eastland, Reinald: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Forret, Thomas: burned at Castle Hill, Edinburgh, Scotland, circa 1531
Frith, John: burned at London, England, in 1533
Foster, Isabel: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Floyd, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Folkes, Elizabeth: burned, with 5 others, at Colcester, England, in 1557
Fetty, (first name unknown): beaten to death in Lonmdon, England circa 1558
Finlason, James: executed in Scotland, in 1543
Forest, Henry: burned at Forfar, Scotland, circa 1530
Garret, Thomas: burned at London, England, on 30 July, 1540
Green, Bartlet: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Gibson, Richard: executed in England, on 18 November, 1557
George, Agnes: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Gurley, Norman: burned in Scotland, circa 1531
Hamilton, Patrick: burned at Edinburgh, Scotland, on 1 March, 1527
Hooper, John: burned at Gloucester, England, on 9 February, 1555
Hunter, James: executed in Scotland, in 1543
Hide, Margaret: burned in England, on 12 April, 1557
Hallingdale, John: executed in England, on 18 November, 1557
Holiday, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Holland, Roger: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Hauker, Thomas: burned at Coggeshall, England, in 1555
Hallywel, William: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Hurst, Edmond: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Hewit, Alexander: burned at London, England, in 1533
Hus, Jan: burned at Constance, Switzerland, on 6 July, 1415
Jerome, William: burned at London, England, on 30 July, 1540
Jackson, Ralph: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Latimer, Hugh: burned in England, on 17 October, 1555
Lamb, Robert: executed in Scotland, in 1543
Lambert, John: burned at London, England, in 1538
Lacels, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1546
Leaf, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1535
Loseby, Thomas: burned in England, on 12 April, 1557
Laverock, Hugh: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Man, Thomas: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1518
Mill, Walter: burned in Scotland, in 1558
Miller, Simon: burned at Norwich, England, in 1557
Orange, William of: murdered at Delft, Holland, on 10 July, 1584
Oldcastle, John: burned at St. Giles Field, England, on 14 December, 1418
Philpot, John: burned at Smithfield, England, on 18 December, 1555
Pond, Henry: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Prague, Jerome of: burned at Constance, Switzerland, in 1416
Peerson, Anthony: burned at Windsor, England, in 1543
Polley, Margery: burned at Dartford, England, in 1555
Potten, Alice: burned in England on 19 February, 1556
Parnam, Laurence: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Pepper, Elizabeth: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Ravelson, James: executed in Scotland, in 1543
Ridley, Nicholas: burned in England, on 17 October, 1555
Ramsey, Henry: burned in England, on 12 April, 1557
Ricarby, Matthew: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Rogers, (first name unknown): burned at Smithfield, England, in 1555
Routh, John: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Rough, (first name unknown): burned in England circa 1557
Sawtre, (first name unknown): burned on 9 February, 1401
Straton, David: burned in Scotland, circa 1531
Sweeting, William: burned in England, on 18 October, 1511
Stile, (first name unknown): burned at Smithfield, England, in 1539
Stanley, Agnes: burned in England, on 12 April, 1557
Sparrow, William: executed in England, on 18 November, 1557
Southam, Robert: burned at Smithfield, England, in the late 1550's
Samuel, Robert: burned in England on 31 August, 1555
Searles, George: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
Stilman, John: burned at London, England, in 1518
Stirke, Helen: drowned in Scotland, in 1543
Taylor, Rowland: burned at Hadley, England, in 1555
Tudson, John: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Thirtel, Thomas: burned in England, on 12 April, 1557
Tilleman, Giles: burned at Brussels, Belgium, in 1544
Trunchfield, Joan: burned in England on 19 February, 1556
Tyndale, William: burned at Fylford, England, in 1536
Wishart, George: hanged and burned at the Castle of St. Andrews, Scotland,
on 1 March, 1546
Wallace, Adam: hanged and burned at Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1557
Warne, John: burned at Smithfield, England, in 1555
Whittle, Thomas: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Went, John: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Warne, Joan: burned in England, on 27 January, 1556
Wade, Christopher: burned at Dartford, England, in 1555
White, Rawlin: burned at Cardiff, Wales, in 1555
Wye, Henry: burned at Stratford-le-Bow, England, 1556
*****************************************
GENERAL SECTION
(unknown number) killed in the Albegensian "Crusade": 1208-1229
30,000 (approx) burned by the Inquisition (not all may have been Protestants)
(the first Auto-da-Fe was held on 6 February, 1481)
(unknown number) killed in the Hussite Wars
6 (other than those listed above) burned at Smithfield, England, in the late
1550's
(unknown number) killed in the English-Spanish Wars
(unknown number) massacred at Provence, France, on 20 April, 1545
(unknown number) killed in the French Religious Wars: 1562-1588
(unknown number) killed in the St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre: 24 August,
1572
(unknown number) killed in the Thirty Years War: 1609-1659
(unknown number) killed in Northern Ireland (current religious-political war)
THE KILLINGS OF "WITCHES"
The following are all documented incidents in the killings of "witches."
ONLY incidents solely relating to witchcraft accusations have been included.
Bear in mind that this is probably NOT all of them. Some were "guilty." Most
were probably innocent. Some were just senile. ALL on this list died as
a result of a witchcraft accusation.
******************
Adamson, Francis: executed at Durham, England, in 1652
Albano, Peter of: died in prison circa 1310
Allen, Joan: hanged at the Old Bailey, London, England, in 1650
Allen, Jonet: burned in Scotland in 1661
Amalaric, Madeline: burned in France in mid-1500's
Ancker, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Andrius, Barthelemy: burned at Carcassonne, France in 1330
Andrius, Jean: burned at Carcassonne, France in 1330
Andrius, Phillippe: burned at Carcassonne, France in 1330
Arnold, (first name unknown): hanged at Barking, England, in 1574
d'Arc, Joan: burned at Rouen, France, on 30 May, 1431
Ashby, Anne: hanged at Maidstone, England, in July, 1652
Askew, Anne: burned for witchcraft 1546
Audibert, Etienne: condemned for witchcraft in France, on 20 March 1619
Aupetit, Pierre: burned at Bordeaux, France, in 1598
Babel, Zuickel: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Babel, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Baker, Anne: executed in Leicester, England, in 1619
Balcoin, Marie: burned in the reign of Henry IV of France
Balfour, Alison: burned at Edinburgh, Scotland, on 16 December, 1594
Bannach, (husband) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Bannach, (wife) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Barber, Mary: executed in Northhampton, England, on 22 July, 1612
Barker, Janet: burned in Scotland in 1643
Baroni, Catterina: beheaded and burned at Castelnovo, Italy, on 14 April, 1647
Barthe, Angela de la: burned at Toulouse, France, in 1275
Basser, Fredrick: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Batsch, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Bayerin, Anna: executed at Salzburg, Austria, in 1751
Beaumont, Sieur de: accused of witchcraft on 21 October, 1596
Bebelin, Gabriel: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Beck, Viertel: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Beck, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Belon, Jean: executed in France, in 1597
Berger, Christopher: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Berrye, Agnes: hanged at Enfield, England, in 1616
Bentz, (mother) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Bentz, (daughter) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Beuchel, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1581
Beutler, (first name unknown) beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Bill, Arthur: executed in Northhampton, England, on 22 July, 1612
Birenseng, Agata: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 25 June, 1594
Bishop, Briget: hanged at Salem, New England on 10 June, 1692
Bodenham, Anne: hanged at Salisbury, England, in 1653
Bonnet, Jean: burned alive at Boissy-en-Ferez, France, in 1583
Boram, (mother) (first name unknown): hung at Bury St Edmunds, England, in 1655
Boram, (daughter) (first name unknown): hung at Bury St Edmunds, England, in 1655
Bolingbroke, Roger: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 18 November, 1441
Boulay, Anne: burned at Nancy, France, in 1620
Boulle, Thomas: burned alive at Rouen, France, on 21 August, 1647
Bragadini, Mark Antony: beheaded in Italy in the 1500's
Brickmann, (first name unknown) beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Brose, Elizabeth: tortured to death in the castle of Gommern, Germany, on 4 November, 1660
Brown, Janet: burned in Scotland in 1643
Browne, Agnes: executed in Northhampton, England, on 22 July, 1612
Browne, Joan: executed in Northhampton, England, on 22 July, 1612
Browne, Mary: hanged at Maidstone, England, in July, 1652
Brooks, Jane: hanged in England on 26 March, 1658
Brugh, John: burned in Scotland in 1643
Buckh, Appollonia: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1581
Bugler, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Bulcock, John: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Bulcock, Jane: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Bull, Edmund: hanged at Taunton, England, in 1631
Bulmer, Matthew: hanged at Newcastle, England, in 1649
Burroughs, George: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 August, 1692
Bursten-Binderin, (first name unknown) beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Calles, Helen: executed at Braynford, England, on 1 December, 1595
Camelli, Domenica: beheaded and burned at Castelnovo, Italy, on 14 April, 1647
Canzler, (first name unknown) beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Carrier, Martha: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 August, 1692
Caveden, Lucia: beheaded and burned at Castelnovo, Italy, on 14 April, 1647
Cemola, Zinevra: beheaded and burned at Castelnovo, Italy, on 14 April, 1647
Corey, Martha: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Corey, Giles: prssed to death at Salem, New England, on 19 September, 1692
Corset, Janet: killed by a mob at Pittenweem, Scotland, in 1704
Challiot, (first name unknown): murdered at St. Georges, France, in February, 1922
Chalmers, Bessie: tried for witchcraft in Inverkiething, Scotland 1621
Chambers, (first name unknown): died in prison, in England, in 1693
Chamoulliard, (first name unknown): burned in France, in 1597
Chatto, Marioun: tried for witchcraft in Inverkiething, Scotland 1621
Ciceron, Andre: burned alive at Carcassone, France, in 1335
Cockie, Isabel: burnt as a witch, at a cost of 105 s. 4 p., in England 1596
Cox, Julian: executed at Taunton, England, in 1663
Couper, Marable: burned in the north of Scotland in 1622
Craw, William: burned in Scotland in 1680
Crots, (son) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Cullender, Rose: executed at Bury St Edmunds, England, on 17 March 1664
Cumlaquoy, Marian: burned at Orkney, Scotland in 1643
Cunningham, John: burned at Edinburgh, in January, 1591
Cunny, Joan: hanged in Chelmsford, England, in 1589
Deiner, Hans: burned at Waldsee, Germany (year unknown)
Delort, Catherine: burned at Toulouse, France, in 1335
Demdike, Elizabeth: convicted, but died in prison, in Lancaster, England, in 1612
DeMolay, Jacques: Grand Master of the Templars, burned in France on 22 March 1312
Desbordes, (first name unknown): burned in France, in 1628
Deshayes, Catherine: burned on 22 February, 1680
Device, Elizabeth: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Device, James: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Device, Alizon: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Doree, Catherine: executed at Courveres, France, in 1577
Dorlady, Mansfredo: burned at Vesoul, France as being the Devil's banker, on 18 January, 1610
Dorlady, Fernando: burned at Vesoul, France as being the Devil's banker, on 18 January, 1610
Dormar, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 9 October, 1586
Douglas, Janet: burned at Castle, Hill, Scotland, on 17 July, 1557
Drummond, Alexander: executed in Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1670
"Dummy" (name unknown; he was deaf-and-dumb): killed by a mob at Sible Hedingham, England, on 3 August, 1865
Dunlop, Bessie: burned at Castle Hill, Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1576
Duny, Amy: executed at Bury St Edmunds, England, on 17 March, 1664
Dyneis, Jonka: burned in the north of Scotland in 1622
Easty, Mary: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Echtinger, Barbara: imprisoned for life at Waldsee, Germany, on 24 August, 1545
Edelfrau, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Edwards, Susanna: hanged at Bideford, England in 1682
Einseler, Catharina: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 6 July, 1581
Erb, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 9 March, 1586
Eyering, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Fian, John: burned alive at Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1591
Fief, Mary le: of Samur, France, accused of witchcraft, on 13 October 1573
Fleischbaum, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Flieger, Catharina: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 6 July, 1581
Flower, Joan: died before trial, at Lincoln, England, 1619
Flower, Margaret: executed at Lincoln, England, in March, 1619
Flower, Phillippa: executed at Lincoln, England, in March, 1619
Foster, Anne: hanged at Northhampton, England, in 1674
Fray, Ursula: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 12 June, 1587
Fray, Margaret: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 25 June, 1594
Fynnie, Agnes: burned in Scotland in 1643
Gabley, (first name unknown): executed at King's Lynn, England, in 1582
Galigai, Leonora: beheaded at the Place de Grieve, France, on 8 July, 1617
Garnier, Gilles: burned as a werewolf in Dole, France 1574
Gaufridi, Louis: burned at Marseilles, France, at 5:00 pm on 30 April, 1611
Georgel, Anna Marie de: burned at Toulouse, France, in 1335
Geraud, Hughes: burned in France in 1317
Gering, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Glaser, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Goeldi, Anna: hanged at Glaris, Switzerland, on 17 June, 1782
Goldschmidt, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Good, Sarah: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 July, 1692
Grandier, Urbain, burned at Loudon, France, on 18 August, 1634
Goodridge, Alse: executed at Darbie, England, in 1597
Gratiadei, Domenica: beheaded and burned at Castelnovo, Italy, on 14 April, 1647
Green, Ellen: executed in Leicester, England, in 1619
Greensmith, (first name unknown): hanged in Hartford, New England, on 20 January, 1662
Greland, Jean: burned at Chamonix, France, in 1438, with 10 others
Grierson, Isobel: burned in Scotland in March, 1607
Gutbrod, (first name unknown:) beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Haan, George: burned at Bamberg, Germany, circa 1626, with his wife, daughter, and son
Hacket, Margaret: executed at Tyburn, England, on 19 February, 1585
Hamilton, Margaret: burned in Scotland in 1680
Hafner, (son) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hammellmann, Melchoir: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hamyltoun, Christiane: tried for witchcraft in Inverkiething, Scotland 1621
Hans, David: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hans, Kilian: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Harfner, (first name unknown): hanged herself in the prison of Bamberg, 1628-1629
Harlow, Bessie: tried for witchcraft in Inverkiething, Scotland 1621
Harrisson, Joanna, and her daughter: executed in Hertford, England, in 1606
Harvilliers, Jeanne: executed in France, in 1578
Haus, (wife) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hennot, Catherine: burned alive in Germany in 1627
Henry III, King of France: assassinated on 1 August, 1589
Hewitt, Katherine: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Hezensohn, Joachim: beheaded at Waldsee, Germany, in 1557
Hibbins, Anne: hanged in Boston, Massachusetts on 19 June, 1656
Hirsch, Nicodemus: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hoecker, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hofschmidt, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Holtzmann, Stoffel: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Hofseiler, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
How, Elizabeth: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 July, 1692
Hoyd, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 24 November, 1586
Huebmeyer, Barbara: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 11 September, 1589
Huebmeyer, Appela: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 11 September, 1589
Hunt, Joan: hanged in Middlesex, England in 1615
Hunter, Alexander: burned at Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1629
Huxley, Catherine: hanged at Worcester, England in the summer of 1652
Isel, Ursula: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 7 November, 1586
Isolin, Madlen: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 6 July, 1581
Jacobs, George: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 August, 1692
Jenkenson, Helen: executed in Northhampton, England, on 22 July, 1612
Jennin, (first name unknown): burned at Cambrai, France, in 1460
Jollie, Alison: executed in Scotland, in October, 1596
Jones, Katherine: burned in the north of Scotland in 1622
Jones, Margaret: executed in Charlestown, North America, on 15 June, 1648
Jordemaine, Margery: burned at Smithfield, England, on 27 October, 1441
Junius, Johannes: of Bamberg, executed as a witch, on 6 August, 1628
Jung, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Kent, Margaret: tried for witchcraft in Inverkiething, Scotland 1621
Kerke, Anne: executed at Tyburn, England, in 1599
Kleiss, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 30 October, 1586
Kless, Catharina: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 12 June, 1587
Knertz, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Knor, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Knott, Elizabeth: hanged at St. Albans, England, in 1649
Kramerin, Schelmerey: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Kuhnlin, Elsa: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1518
Kuler, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Lachenmeyer, Waldburg: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 5 July, 1585
deLarue, (first name unknown): burned at Rouen, in 1540
Lauder, Margaret: burned in Scotland in 1643
Leclerc, (no first name given): condemned for witchcraft, in France 1615
Lakeland, (first name unknown): burned at Ipswich, England, in 1645
Lamb, Dr.: stoned to death by a mob at St. Paul's Cross, London, England, in 1640
Lambrecht, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Leger, (no first name given): condemmned for witchcraft in France, on 6 May, 1616
Liebler, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Lloyd, Temperance: hanged at Bideford, England in 1682
Lowes, John: hanged at Bury, England, about 1645
Lutz, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Macalzean, Euphemia: burned alive in Scotland for witchcraft, on 25 June, 1591
Marguerite, (last name unknown): burned at Paris, France, in 1586
Mark, Bernhard: burned alive at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Martin, Marie: executed in France, in 1586
Martin, Susannah: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 July, 1692
Martyn, Anne: hanged at Maidstone, England, in July, 1652
Mayer, Christina: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 9 October, 1586
Mazelier, Hanchemand de: arrested at Neuchatel, Germany 1439
Meath, Petronilla de: burned as a witch, the first such burning in Ireland, on 3 November, 1324
Meyer, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Mirot, Dominic: burned at Paris, France, in 1586
Morin< (first name unknown): burned at Rouen, in 1540
Mossau, Renata von: beheaded and burned in Bavaria, Germany, on 21 June, 1749
Mullerin, Elsbet: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1531
Mundie, Beatrice: tried for witchcraft in Inverkiething, Scotland 1621
Nathan, Abraham: executed at Haeck, Germany, on 24 September, 1772
Newell, John: executed at Barnett, England, on 1 December, 1595
Newell, Joane: executed at Barnett, England, on 1 December, 1595
Newman, Elizabeth: executed at Whitechapel, England in 1653
Nottingham, John of: died in custody, Coventry, England, 1324
Nurse, Rebecca: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 July, 1692
Nutter, Alice: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Oliver, Mary: burned at Norwich, England, in 1658
Orchard, (first name unknown): executed at Salisbury, England, in 1658
Osborne, (husband) (first name unknown): killed by a mob at Tring, Herefordshire, England, in 1751
Osborne, (wife) Ruth: killed by a mob at Tring, Herefordshire, England, in 1751
Osburne, Sarah: died in prison at Boston, Massachusetts, 10 May, 1692
Oswald, Catherine: burned in Scotland in 1670
Paeffin, Elsa: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1518
Pajot, Marguerite: executed at Tonnerre, France, in 1576
Paris, (first name unknown): hanged at St. Andrews, Scotland, in 1569
Parker, Alice: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Parker, Mary: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Palmer, John: hanged at St. Albans, England, in 1649
Pannel, Mary: executed in Yorkshire, England, in 1603
Pearson, Alison: burned in Scotland on 28 May, 1588
Peebles, Marion: burned in Scotland in 1643
Peterson, Joan: hanged at Tyburn, England, in April, 1652
Pichler, Emerenziana: burned at Defereggen, Germany, on 25 September, 1680 (her two sons, aged 12 and 14, were also burned two days later)
Poiret, (first name unknown): burned at Nancy, France, in 1620
Porte, Vidal de la: condemned at Riom, France, in 1597
Powle, (first name unknown): executed at Durham, England, in 1652
Prentice, Joan: hanged in Chelmsford, England, in 1589
Preston, Jennet: executed in York, England, in 1612
Pringle, Margaret: burned in Scotland in 1680
Procter, John: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 August, 1692
Pudeator, Anne: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Quattrino, Dominic: burned at Mesolcina, Italy, in 1583
Rais, Gilles de: on charges of witchcraft, executed 26 October, 1440
Rattray, George: executed in Spott, Scotland, in 1705
Rattray, Lachlan: executed in Spott, Scotland, in 1705
Rauffains, Catharina: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 7 November, 1586
Reade, Mary: hanged at Maidstone, England, in July, 1652
Redfearne, Anne: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Reed, Wilmot: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Reich, Maria: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 5 July, 1585
Reid, John: hanged himself in prison, in Scotland, in 1697
Reoch, Elspeth: burned in the north of Scotland in 1622
Robey, Isobel: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Rodier, Catala: burned alive at Carcassone, France, in 1335
Rodier, Paul: burned alive at Carcassone, France, in 1335
Rohrfelder, Margaret: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 24 August, 1585
Rosch, Maria: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 6 July, 1581
Rosseau, (no first name given), and his daughter, (no name given) of France, accused of witchcraft on 2 October 1593
Rue, Abel de la: of Coulommiers, France, accused of witchcraft on 20 July, 1592
Roulet, Jacques: burned alive for being a were-wolf, at Angiers, France, in 1597
Rum, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Russel, Alice: killed by a mob at Great Paxton, England, 20 May, 1808
Rutchser, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Rutter, Elizabeth: hanged in Middlesex, England in 1616
Sailler, Ursula: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 24 August, 1585
Sampsoune, Agnes: tried, strangled, and burnt for a witch in Scotland 1591
Samuels, (family): three members condemned for witchcraft in Warboys, England, on 4 April, 1593
Sawyer, Elizabeth, hanged at Tyburn, England, on 19 April, 1621
Scharber, Elsbeth: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1581
Schneider, Felicitas: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 9 March, 1586
Schnelling, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 11 September, 1589
Schutz, Babel: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schwaegel, Anna Maria: beheaded at Kempten, Germany, on 11 April, 1775
Schwartz, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schenck, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schellhar, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schickelte, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schneider, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schleipner, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Schuler, (first name not known): burned at Lindheim, Germany on 23 February, 1663
Schultheiss, Ursula: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 9 March, 1586
Schwarz, Eva: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1581
Schwerdt, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Scott, Margaret: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Scottie, Agnes: burned in the north of Scotland in 1622
Sechelle, (first name unknown): burned at Paris, France, in 1586
Smith, Mary: hanged at King's Lynn, England, in 1616
Steicher, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Steinacher, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Steward, William: hanged at St. Andrews, Scotland, in 1569
Stewart, Christian: strangled and burned in Scotland, in November, 1596
Stolzberger, (son) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Stolzberger, (wife) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Stolzberger, (granddaughter) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Stuber, Laurence: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Sturmer, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Style, Elizabeth: died in prison, at Taunton, England, in 1664
Seiler, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Silberhans, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Steinbach, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Stier, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Stadelmann, Ursula: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 7 November, 1586
Sutton (mother) (first name unknown): executed in Bedford, England in 1613
Sutton, Mary: executed in Bedford, England in 1613
Thausser, Simon, and his wife (no name given): burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1518
Thompson, Annaple: burned in Scotland in 1680
Tod, Beigis: burned at Lang Nydrie, Scotland, on 27 May, 1608
Treher, Anna: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 5 July, 1585
Trembles, Mary: hanged at Bideford, England in 1682
Trois-Echelles (pseud.): executed at Paris, France, in 1571 (or 1574)
Tungerslieber, (first name unknown) beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Turner, Ann: murdered in England, in 1875
Uhlmer, Barbara: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 24 August, 1585
Upney, Joan: hanged in Chelsford, England, in 1589
Utley, (first name unknown): hanged at Lancaster, England, in 1630
Valee, Melchoir de la: burned at Nancy, France, in 1631
Vallin, Pierre: executed in France, in 1438
Valkenburger, (daughter) (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Vaecker, Paul: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Vickar, Bessie: burned in Scotland in 1680
Wachin, Ursula: burned at Waldsee, Germany, in 1528
Wagner, Michael: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Wagner, (first name unknown): burnt alive at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Wallace, Margaret: executed in Glascow, Scotland, in 1622
Wardwell, Samuel: executed at Salem, New England, on 22 September, 1692
Waterhouse, (first name unknown): hanged in Dorset, England in 1565
Wanderson, (wife 1) (first name unknown): executed in England, in January, 1644.
Wanderson, (wife 2) (first name unknown): executed in England, in January, 1644.
Weir, Thomas: burned between Edinburgh and Leith, Scotland, on 11 April, 1670
Weiss, Agatha: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 9 October, 1586
Weydenbusch, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Whittle, Anne: executed in Lancaster, England, in 1612
Wildes, Sarah: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 July, 1692
Willard, John: executed at Salem, New England, on 19 August, 1692
Willimot, Joan: executed in Leicester, England, in 1619
Wilson, Anne: hanged at Maidstone, England, in July, 1652
Wirth, Klingen: beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Wirth, Trauben: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 5 July, 1585
Wright, Mildred: hanged at Maidstone, England, in July, 1652
Wuncil, Brigida: burned at Waldsee, Germany, on 6 July, 1581
Wunth, (first name unknown): beheaded at Wurzburg, Germany, 1628-1629
Younge, Alse: hanged in Connecticut, North America, on 26 May, 1647
Yullock, Agnes: burned in the north of Scotland in 1622
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GENERAL SECTION: THE UNKNOWNS
180 burned for witchcraft at Montwimer, France, on 29 May, 1239
54 Knights Templars burned in France, on 12 May, 1310
39 Knights Templar burned in France, on 18 March 1314
"Some" burned at Kilkenny, Ireland, 1323
200 + burned at Carcassonne, France, between 1320-1350
63 burned at Toulouse, France, in 1335
8 burned at Carcassonne, France, in 1352
31 burned at Carcassonne, France, in 1357
67 burned at Carcassonne, France, between 1387-1400
1 burned at Berlin, Germany, in 1399
"Several" witches burned alive at Simmenthal, Switzerland, circa 1400
"Several" burned at Carcassonne, France, in 1423
200 + executed in the Valais, France between 1428-1434
167 executed in l'Isere, France, between 1428-1447
16 executed in Toulouse, France, in 1432
8 executed in Toulouse, France, in 1433
150 executed in Briancon, France, in 1437
3 burnt in Savoy between 1446 and 1447
7 killed at Marmande, France, in 1453
1 burned at Locarno, Italy, in 1455
"Many" burned in Arras, France in 1459
2 burned in Burgundy, France, in 1470
3 burned at Forno-Rivara, Italy, in 1472
2 burned at Levone, in Italy, in 1474
5 burned at Forno, Italy, in 1475
12 women and "several" men burned at Edinburgh, in 1479
4 burned at Metz, Germany, in 1482
48 burned at Constance, between 1482-1486
2 burned at Toulouse, France, in 1484
2 burned in Chaucy, France in 1485
1 died in prison, at Metz, Germany 1488
3 executed at Mairange, Germany, on 17 June, 1488
2 executed at Mairange, Germany, on 25 June, 1488
3 executed at Chastel, Germany, on 26 June, 1488
3 executed at Metz, Germany, on 1 July, 1488
1 executed at Salney, Germany, on 3 July, 1488
2 executed at Salney, Germany, on 12 July, 1488
3 executed at Salney, Germany, on 19 July, 1488
1 executed at Brieg, Germany, on 19 July, 1488
2 executed at Juxney, Germany, on 19 August, 1488
5 executed at Thionville, Germany, on 23 August, 1488
1 executed at Metz, Germany, on 2 September, 1488
1 executed at Vigey, Germany, on 15 September, 1488
1 executed at Juxney, Germany, on 22 September, 1488
30 burned in Calahorra, Spain, in 1507
1 burned in Saxony, Germany, in 1510
60 burned in Northern Italy, in 1510
500 + burned in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1515
2 burned in Besancon, France, in 1521
64 burned in Val Camonica, Italy between 1518-1521
100 burned in Como, Italy, in 1523
1000 + in Northern Italy, in 1524
900 executed by Nicholas Remy (years unknown, about 15 years total)
"A large number" executed at Saragossa, Spain, in 1536
7 burned at Nantes, France, in 1549
1 burned at Lyons, France, in 1549
3 burned alive at Derneburg, Germany, on 4 October, 1555
1 burned alive at Bievires, France, in 1556
70,000 killed in England after 1573
4 burned at Potiers, France, in 1564
1 burned at St. Andrews, Scotland, in 1569
1 burned at St. Andrews, Scotland, in 1572
"Several" executed in Paris, France, in 1574
80 executed in one fire at Valery-en-Savoie, France, in 1574
3 executed in Dorset, England, in 1578
36 persons executed at Kilkenny, Ireland, in 1578
18 killed at St. Oses, England, in 1582
"Several" burned in Mesolcina, Italy, in 1583
368 persons killed for witchcraft between 18 January, 1587, and 18 November, 1593, in the diocese of Treves.
133 persons burned in one day at Quedlinburg, in Germany, in 1589
48 burned in Wurttemberg, Germany, in 1589
54 burned in Franconia in 1590
300 burned in Bern, Switzerland, between 1591-1600
1 burned in Ghent, Holland, in 1591
1 burned in Ghent, Holland, in 1598
24 burned in Aberdeen, Scotland, circa 1598
77 burned in Vaud, Switzerland, in 1599
10 -daily- were burned (average) in the Duchy of Brunswick between 1590-1600
20 executed (other than those listed by name above) in the reign of King James VI and I of England.
"Several" witches executed in Derbyshire, England, in 1607
"A number of women" burned at Breehin, Scotland, in 1608
1 burned alive by a mob at St. Jean de Liuz, France, circa 1608
18 killed at Orleans, France, in 1616
8 hanged at Londinieres, France, in 1618
"Several" witches condemned at Nerac, France, on 26 June, 1619
2 executed at Bedford, England, in 1624
56 executions at Mainz, Germany, between 1626-1629
77 executions at Burgstadt, Germany, between 1626-1629
40 executions at Berndit, Buttan, Ebenheit, Wenchdorf and Heinbach, Germany, between 1626-1629
8 executions in Prozelten and Amorbach, Germany between 1626-1629
168 executions in the district of Miltenberg, Germany, between 1626-1629
85 burned in Dieburg, Germany, in 1627
900 executions at Bamberg, Germany, between 1627 and 1631
22,000 (approx) executed in Bamberg, Germany between 1610 and 1840
1 hanged at Sandwich, in Kent, England, in 1630
3 executed at Lindheim, Germany in 1631
20 executed in Norfolk, England, on evidence of Matthew Hopkins, before 26 July, 1645
29 condemned, on the evidence of Matthew Hopkins, at Chelmsford, England, on 29 July, 1645
150 killed in England in the last six months of 1645
2 executed at Norwich, England, in 1648
14 hanged at Newcastle, England, in 1649
220 + in England and Scotland, on evidence of a Scottish Witch-finder, circa 1648-1650
2 killed by a mob at Auxonne, France, in 1650
30 burned in Lindheim, Germany, between 1640-1651
900 killed in Lorraine, France (years unknown)
30,000 (approx) burned by the Inquisition (not all may have been witches)
3-4000 killed during Cromwell's tenure in England
102 burned in Zuckmantel, Germany, in 1654
18 burned at Castle Hill, Edinburgh, Scotland, in 1658
85 executed at Mohra, Sweden, on 25 August, 1670
71 beheaded or burned in Sweden between 1674-1677
90 burned at Salzburg, Austria, in 1678
11 burned at Prestonpans, Scotland, in 1678
36 executed in Paris, France, in 1680
"Several" burned at Rouen, France, in 1684-1685
3 executed (Suzanna, Isle and Catherine (last names unknown) at Arendsee, Germany, in 1687
36 burned at Nordlingen, Germany between 1690-1694
5 burned at Paisley, Scotland, in 10 June, 1697
9 persons burned at Burghausen, Germany, all under 16 years of age, on 26 March, 1698
1 burned at Antrim, Ireland, in 1699
"Many" burned at Spott Loan, Scotland, in 1705
2 persons killed in the Trentino, Austria, between 1716 and 1717
1 executed in France, in 1718
2 persons, a mother and daughter, burned in Scotland, in 1722
13 burned at Szegedin, Hungary, in 1728
1 burned at Szegedin, Hungary, in 1730
13 burned alive at Szegedin, Hungary on 23 July, 1738
3 burned at Karpfen, Germany, in 1744
3 burned at Muhlbach, Germany, in 1746
1 executed at Szegedin, Hungary, in 1746
1 executed at Maros Vasarheli, (nation unknown), 1752
100 + executed at Haeck, Germany between 1772 and 1779
2 burned in Poland in 1793
1 shot by a policeman at Uttenheim, Germany, on suspicion of being a were-wolf, in November, 1925
ROMAN CATHOLICS KILLED BY PROTESTANTS
In no case are all listed represented as "official" martyrs of the Roman
Catholic Church, but ALL were killed by Protestants, or proto-Protestants,
because of their Roman Catholic beliefs. (nb: this does NOT include the
casualties incurred by the French Revolution, nor from Japan, China, the
Phillippines, the Nazi occupation of Europe, and so forth. It is ONLY those
killings performed by Protestants or proto-Protestants (Albegensians, Cathars,
Waldenses, &c.)
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Abbot, Henry: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 4 July, 1597
Abel, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Smithfield, England, on 30 July,
1540
Alfield, Thomas: tortured and hanged at Tyburn, England, on 6 July, 1585
Almond, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 5 December,
1612
Amias, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 16 March, 1589
Andeton, Robert: hanged on the Isle of Wight, 25 April, 1586
Andleby, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 4 July,
1597
Arnaud, William: murdered by Albegensians at Avignonet in 1242
Ashley, Ralph: executed on 7 April, 1606 after two years of torture
Assche, Peter of: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Azevedo, Ignatius: killed, with 39 others, on 15 July, 1570
Bales, Christopher: hanged, drawn and quartered in Fleet Street, London,
England, on 4 March, 1590
Barkworth, Mark: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 27
February, 1601
Barlow, Ambrose: hanged, drawn and quartered in Lancaster, England, on 10
September, 1641
Barrow, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20 June,
1679
Beaton, David: murdered in Scotland in 1543
Beche, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Colchester, England, on 1
December, 1539
Bell, James: executed at Lancaster, England, on 20 April, 1584
Belson, Thomas: executed at Oxford, England, on 5 July, 1589
Bird, James: hanged, drawn and quartered at Winchester, England, on 24 March,
1593
Bodey, James: hanged at Andover, England, after three years imprisonment, on
2 November, 1583
Boste, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Dryburn, England, on 24 July, 1594
Briant, Alexander: executed at Tyburn, England, on 1 December, 1581
Brindholme, Edmund: executed at Tyburn, England, on 4 August, 1540
Brown, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Ripon, England, on 5
September, 1605
Bosgrave, Thomas: executed in London, England, on 4 July, 1594
Cambiani, Peter: murdered at Susa, France, on 7 November 1365 (by Waldensians)
Campion, Edmund: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 1
December, 1581
Carey, John: executed in London, England, on 4 July, 1594
Castelnau, Pierre de: murdered (which touched off the Albigensian "Crusade")
on 14 Jan, 1208
Catherick, Edmund: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 13 April,
1642
Clitherow, Margaret: pressed to death under an eight-hundred pound weight, at
York, England on 25 March, 1586
Coleman, Edward: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 3
December, 1678
Corbington, Ralph: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England on 7
September, 1644
Cornelius, John: executed in London, England, on 4 July, 1594
Cottham, Thomas: forced to watch three priests executed by hanging, drawing
and quartering, and was then executed by the same method in
the Tower of London on 30 May, 1582
Crockett, Ralph: hanged, drawn and quartered in Chichester, England, on 1
October, 1588
Dalby, Robert: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 16 March, 1589
Davies, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Beaumaris, Wales, on 27 July,
1593
Dean, William: hanged at Mile-End Green, in London, England, on 28 August, 1588
Delgado, Alexius: murdered on 15 July, 1570. He was fourteen years old.
Dickenson, Francis: hanged, drawn and quartered at Rochester, England, on 30
April (possibly April 13), 1590
Dickenson, Roger: hanged, drawn and quartered at Winchester, England, on 7
July, 1591
Dingley, Thomas: beheaded at Tower Hill, London, England, on July 8 (or 9),
1539
Duckett, James: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 19 April, 1602
Duckett, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England on 7 September,
1644
Duynsen, Godefried Van: hanged at Briel, Holland, in 1572
Eem, Theodore van der: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Evans, Philip: executed at Cardiff, Wales, on 22 July, 1679
Exmew, William: executed at Tyburn, England, after being suspended in chains
for two weeks, on 19 June, 1535
Eynon, John: hanged at Reading Abbey, England, 15 November, 1539
Faringdon, Hugh: hanged at Reading Abbey, England, 15 November, 1539
Felton, John: hanged, drawn and quartered in St. Paul's churchyard, London,
England, on 8 August, 1570
Felton, Thomas: hanged at Isleworth, London, England, on 28 August, 1588
Fenn, James: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 12 February,
1584
Fenwick, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20 June, 1679
Fetherston, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Smithfield, England on 30
July, 1540
Filby, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 May, 1582
Filcock, Roger: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 27
February, 1601
Finch, John: executed at Lancaster, England, on 20 April, 1584
Fisher, John: beheaded at Tyburn, England, on 22 June, 1535
Ford. Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 28 May, 1582
Forrest, John: burned at Smithfield, England, on 22 May, 1538
Fortesque, Adrian: beheaded at Tower Hill, London, England, on 8 (or 9) July,
1539
Freeman, William: hanged, drawn and quartered in England on 13 August, 1595
Fulthering, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 1 August,
1605
Gardnier, Jeremyn: executed at Tyburn, England, on 7 March, 1544
Garnet, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 23 June,
1608
Gennings, Edmund: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10
December, 1591
Gerard, Miles: hanged, drawn and quartered at Rochester, England, on 30 (or
13) April, 1590
Goodman, John: condemned, but died in Newgate Prison, England, before
execution, in 1642
Grodecz, Melchoir: executed at Kosice, Slovakia on 7 September, 1619
Green, Hugh: hanged, drawn and quartered at Dorchester, England, on 19
August, 1642
Grove, John: executed at Tyburn, England, on 24 January, 1679
Griswold, Robert: hanged at Warwick, England, on 16 July, 1604
Gunter, William: hanged at Shoreditch, England, on 28 August, 1588
Gwyn, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Wrexham, Wales, on 15 October,
1584
Hackshot, Thomas: executed at Tyburn on 24 August, 1601
Haile, John: executed at Tyburn, England, on 4 May, 1535
Hanse, Everard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 31 July,
1581
Harrington, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 15
March, 1583
Hartley, William: hanged at Shoreditch, England, on 5 October, 1557
Hemerford, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 12
February, 1584
Herst, Richard: hanged at Lancaster, England, on 29 August, 1628
Hewett, John: hanged at Mile-End Green, London, England, on 5 October, 1588
Hilvarenbeek, Adrian Van: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Hodgson, Sydney: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10
December, 1591
Holford, Thomas: hanged at Clerkenwell, London, England, on 28 August, 1588
Holland, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 12
December, 1642
Hoornaer, John Van: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Hoornauer, Anthony of: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Houghton, John: executed at Tyburn, England on 4 May, 1535
Howard, Philip: died imprisoned in the Tower of London on 19 October, 1595
Howard, William: beheaded at Tyburn, England, on 29 December, 1680
Ingleby, Francis: hanged at York, England, on 3 June, 1586
Ingram, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Gateshead, England, on 26 July,
1594
Ireland, William: executed at Tyburn, England, on 24 January, 1679
Ireland, John: executed at Tyburn, England, on 7 March, 1544
James, Edward: hanged, drawn and quartered at Chichester, England, on 1
October, 1588
James, Roger: hanged, drawn and quartered at Glastonbury, England, on 1
December, 1539
Jannsen, Nicasius: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Johnson, Laurence: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 May,
1582
Johnson, Robert: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 28 May,
1582
Jones, Edward: hanged in Fleet Street, London, England, on 6 May, 1590
Jones, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Southwark, London, England, on 12
July, 1598
Kemble, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Hereford, England, at age eighty,
on 22 August, 1679
Kirby, Luke: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 May, 1582
Kirkman, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Knavesmire, England, on 22
August, 1597
Knight, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 29 November,
1596
Korosy, Mark: tortured and executed at Kosice, Slovakia, on 7 September, 1619
Lacey, Brian: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 10 December, 1582
Lacey, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Knavesmire, England, on 22
August, 1597
Lacops. Jacob: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Langhorne, Richard: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 14 July, 1679
Langley, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 1
December, 1586
Larke, John: executed at Tyburn, England, on 7 March, 1544
Lawrence, Robert: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 4 May, 1535
Leigh, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 August,
1588
Lewis, David: hanged, drawn and quartered at Usk, Wales, on 27 August, 1679
Line, Anne: hanged at Tyburn, London, on 27 February, 1601
Littleton, (first name unknown): executed at York, England, on 7 April, 1606
Lloyd, John: executed at Cardiff, Wales, on 22 July, 1679
Lockwood, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 13 April,
1642
Marsden, William: hanged on the Isle of Wight, 25 April, 1586
Martin, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30
August, 1588
Mason, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10 December,
1591
Maxfield, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 1 July,
1616
Mayne, Cuthbert: hanged, drawn and quartered at Launceton, England, on 25
November, 1577
Mervel, Godfried of: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Middlemore, Humphrey: executed at Tyburn, England, after being suspended in
chains for two weeks, on 19 June, 1535
Middleton, Anthony: hanged, drawn and quartered at Clerkenwell, London,
England, on 6 May, 1590
Milner, Ralph: hanged, drawn and quartered at Winchester, England, on 7 July,
1591
More, Hugh: hanged at Lincoln's Inn Fields, England, on 28 August, 1588
More, Thomas: beheaded in the Tower of London on 6 July, 1535
Morse, Henry: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 1 February,
1645
Morton, Robert: executed in London, England in 1588
Munden, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 12 February,
1584
Napper, George: executed at Oxford, England, on 9 November, 1610
Narbonne, Stephan of: murdered by Albegensians at Avignonet in 1242
Nelson, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, in 1578
Newdigate, Sabastian: executed at Tyburn, England, after being suspended in
chains for two weeks, on 19 June, 1535
Newport, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 May,
1612
Nichols, George: executed at Oxford, England, on 5 July, 1589
Nutter, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 12 February,
1584
Ogilvie, John: hanged at Glascow, Scotland, on 10 March, 1615
Oldcorne, Edward: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 7 April,
1606
Oosterwyk, John Van: executed at Briel, Holland, on 9 July, 1572
Owen, Nicholas: died under torture, in the Tower of London, on 2 March, 1606
Page, Anthony: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20 (or 30)
April, 1593
Page, Francis: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20 April,
1602
Patenson, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 22
January, 1592
Pavoni, Anthony: murdered at Bricherasio, Italy, in 1374
Payne, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 2 April,
1582
Percy, Thomas: beheaded at York, England, on 22 August, 1572
Peter Martyr: murdered near Barassina, Italy, on 6 April, 1252 (by a Cathar)
Pibush, John: executed in London, England, on 18 February, 1601
Pickering, Thomas: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 9 May, 1679
Pieck, Nicholas: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Pilchard, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Dorchester, England, on 21
March, 1587
Plasden, Polydore: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10
December, 1591
Plessington, John: hanged at Barrowhill, England, on 19 July, 1679
Plumtree, Thomas: hanged at Durham Castle, England, on 4 January, 1570
Plunket, Oliver: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 1 July,
1681
Pongracz, Stephen: executed at Kosice, Slovakia on 7 September, 1619
Poppel, Nicholas Jannsen: hanged at Briel, Holland, in 1572
Pormort, Thomas: hanged at London, England, on 20 February, 1592
Postgate, Nicholas: executed at York, England, on 7 August, 1679
Powell, Edward: hanged, drawn and quartered at Smithfield, England, on 30
July, 1540
Powell, Philip: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 June,
1646
Prichard, Humphrey: executed at Oxford, England, on 5 July, 1589
Rawlins, Alexander: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 7 April,
1595
Raymond (last name unknown): murdered by Albegensians at Avignonet in 1242
Reynolds, Richard: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 4 May, 1535
Reynolds, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 21
January, 1642
Richardson, William: executed at Tyburn, England, on 17 February, 1603
Rigby, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Southwark, England, on 21 June,
1600
Roberts, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10
December, 1610
Robinson, Christopher: hanged at Carlisle, England, on 19 Augst, 1598
Robinson, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Ipswich, England, on 1
October, 1588
Roche, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 August,
1588
Rochester, John: executed at York, England, on 11 May, 1537
Roe, Alban Bartholomew: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on
21 January, 1642
Roye, Francis de: executed at Briel, Holland, on 9 July, 1572
Rugg, John: hanged at Reading Abbey, England, on 15 November, 1539
Sales, James: stabbed and shot to death at Aubenas, France, on 7 February,
1593
Salmon, Patrick: executed in London, England, on 4 July, 1594
Sarkander, John: died of torture at Olmutz, Bavaria, on 17 March, 1620
Saultemouche, William: stabbed and shot to death at Aubenas, France, on 7
February, 1593
Scott, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 May,
1612
Shert, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 28 May, 1582
Sherwin, Ralph: executed at Tyburn, England, on 1 December, 1581
Sherwood, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 7
February, 1578
Slade, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Winchester, England, on 30
October, 1583
Snow, Peter: executed at York on 15 June, 1598
Somers, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10
December, 1610
Southwell, Robert: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 21
February, 1595
Southworth, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 28
June, 1654
Speed, John: executed at Durham, England, on 4 February, 1594
Sprott, Thomas: executed at Lincoln, England, on 11 July, 1600
Stone, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Canterbury, England, sometime
before December, 1539
Storey, John: executed at Tyburn, England, on 1 June, 1571
Sugar, John: hanged at Warwick, England, on 16 July, 1604
Sutton, Robert: hanged at Clerkenwell, England, on 5 October, 1588
Swallowell, George: executed at Darlington, England, on 26 July, 1594
Sykes, Edmund: hanged at York, England, on 23 March, 1587
Thirkeld, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 29 May,
1583
Thompson, James: hanged at York, England, on 28 November, 1582
Thorne, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Glastonbury, England, on 1
December, 1539
Thulis, John: executed at Lancaster, England on 18 March, circa 1616
Thwing, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 23 October,
1680
Tichborne, Nicholas: executed at Tyburn on 24 August, 1601
Tunstal, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Norwich, England, on 13
July, 1616
Turner, Antony: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20 June,
1679
Vechel, Leonard: hanged at Briel, Holland, in 1572
Wall, John: hanged, drawn and quartered at Redhill, England, on 22 August,
1679
Walpole, Henry: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 7 April,
1595
Walworth, William: executed at York, England, on 11 May, 1537
Ward, Margaret: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 30 August,
1588
Warcop, Thomas: hanged at York, England, on 4 July, 1597
Waterson, Edward: hanged, drawn and quartered at Newcastle-on-Tyne, England,
on 7 January, 1593
Watkinson, Robert: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20
April, 1602
Way, William: hanged, drawn and quartered at Kingston-on-Thames, on 23
September, 1588
Webley, Thomas: tortured and hanged at Tyburn, England, on 6 July, 1585
Webley, Henry: hanged at Mile-End Green, in London, England, on 28 August,
1588
Webster, Augustine: hanged at Tyburn, England, on 4 May, 1535
Webster, William: executed on 26 July, 1641 at Tyburn, England
Weerden, Jerome: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Weert, Anthony of: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Wellbourn, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at York, England, on 1 August,
1605
Wells, Swithun: hanged at London, England, on 10 December, 1591
Whitebread, Thomas: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 20
June, 1679
White, Eustace: hanged, drawn and quartered at Tyburn, England, on 10
December, 1591
Whiting, Richard: hanged, drawn and quartered at Glastonbury, England, on 1
December, 1539
Widmerpool, Robert: hanged, drawn and quartered at Canterbury, England, on
1 December, 1539
Wilcox, Robert: hanged, drawn and quartered at Canterbury, England, on 1
December, 1539
Willehad, Anthony: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Woodhouse, Thomas: executed in Wales in 1573
Wright, Peter: hanged, drawn and quartered in England, on 19 May, 1651
Wouters, Andreas: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Wrenno, Roger: executed at Lancaster, England on 18 March, circa 1616
Wyk, Cornelius of: hanged at Briel, Holland on 9 July, 1572
Yaxley, Richard: executed at Oxford, England, on 5 July, 1589
*****************************************
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(number unknown): killed in the Hussite Wars
(number unknown): killed in the French Religious Wars: 1562-1588
(number unknown): killed in the English-Spanish Wars
(number unknown): killed in the Thirty Years War: 1609-1659
(number unknown): killed in the Massacre of Drogheada, Ireland, on 11
September, 1649
(number unknown): killed in the Sack of Wexford, Ireland on 11 October, 1649
(number unknown): killed in Northern Ireland: (current political-religious war)
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Lisa Ruby
yeah there is - every single time a christian demands that someone
convert to their religion to be saved or marches into a different
country or culture to convert and save the savages they are terrorist.
This is exactly what New Agers preach and their response to the
"Christian problem" is on record. They desire to "scratch misfits from
the game."
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Abby
Ridiculous. You are an extremist to the extreme.
Lisa Ruby
However, the people in charge of the inquisition were anything but
Christian.
The inquisition was instigated and overseen by Jesuits who did not and
do not represent rank and file Catholics (who are unaware of what is
going on behind the scenes and don't even realize the Pope adorns
himself with satanic symbols.) Catholics were scared to death during
the inquisition and were warned that they might be next if they did not
toe the line.
Jesuits carry out secret satanic orders and they have started wars and
inquisitions.
Here are some revealing articles written by Darryl Eberhart.
Jesuits
http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_jesuits.html
Jesuits II
http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_the_jesuits_part_II.html
Jesuits III
http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_jesuits_part3.html
Jesuits IV
http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_jesuits_part4.html
Real Christians do not murder. The New Age/ New World Order requires
the vilification of the only people who stand in the way of their
agenda--anyone associated with Christiantiy, whether they are truly
Christian or not.
.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Abby
You do realize the inquisition was several hundred years ago...don't
you?
Lisa Ruby
http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_jesuits.html
The Jesuits ran the Roman Inquisition. The Office of the Inquisition
has never been dismantled. Rather, it has undergone several "name
changes": the latest is the "Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith". Isn't it interesting that the Soviet (now Russian) communist
intelligence & security apparatus kept changing its name: first the
Cheka, then the NKVD, then the KGB, and now the FSB?
The name changed, but the mission did NOT! It's the same thing with
this "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" - the name of the
Inquisition Office has been changed, but the mission has NOT been
changed. What? You say there hasn't been an "inquisition" for a long
time? You say that "inquisitions" could never happen in these modern
times? Tell that to the poor French people who had their wealth and
property confiscated, and who were imprisoned, tortured, and murdered
during the French Revolution of 1789!
Tell that to the poor Russian people who had their wealth and property
confiscated, and who were imprisoned, tortured, and murdered during the
Russian Revolution of 1917, and during the decades of communist terror
that followed! Tell that to Jews, gypsies, and assorted Christians who
had their wealth and property confiscated, and who were imprisoned,
tortured, and murdered during the Nazi reign of terror in Germany in
the late 1930s and early 1940s! Tell that to the Chinese, Vietnamese,
and Cambodian people who had their wealth and property confiscated, and
who were imprisoned, tortured, and murdered during the 1950s, 60s, 70s,
and 80s (and even to this day) in Communist Red China, Communist
Vietnam, and Communist Cambodia. And there are other locations too in
recent history where "inquisitions" have occurred.
Abby
How does this relate to Scientology?
Lisa Ruby
>How does this relate to Scientology?
How does Rice and company's vilification of Christiantiy (or what
appears to be Christiantiy) relate to Scientology?
It relates plenty because Scientology despises Christianity. True,
dedicated Chrisitians have the power (through prayer) to overturn what
it has taken years for Scientology has accomplished. Their prayers can
also make it possible for more Scientologists to escape the CoS.
The last thing Scientology wants is for their ex-members to turn to the
Lord Jesus Christ and renounce Scientology and all the demons that came
with it. If they did this, Scientology would lose their spiritual hold
on them and thus lose rank in the satanic relam.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
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I'm sure that she realizes it, but as a conspiracy theorist proven and
documented facts (that is, facts not just realized by a guy wearing his
tinfoil hat in a shed someplace remote) have very little to do with her
specification of reality, unless they already support that specification.
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*
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crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
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*
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Lisa Ruby wrote:
Hi Ms. Ruby.
<snipped>
>
> Jesuits carry out secret satanic orders and they have started wars and
> inquisitions.
>
<snipped>
Does this really sound likely to you? In your opinion did Ignatius make
the pact with satan at the beginning? or did they switch sides at some
point?
Also, the inquisition was founded long before the Jesuits were, is that
a problem for your theory? or did Satan bring jesuits back in time, and
give them Dominican and Franciscan outfits to wear while they were
roaming Languedoc?
Thanks for the links, btw.
<snipped>
> Real Christians do not murder. The New Age/ New World Order requires
> the vilification of the only people who stand in the way of their
> agenda--anyone associated with Christiantiy, whether they are truly
> Christian or not.
Can you go from being a real Christian to a pretend Christian? or are
you permanently one or another? I mean, say you are a real Christian
now, Do you need to perform regular tests like a diabetic? or can you
be fairly confident unless Christ shows up and asks for his things back?
Kim Palmer
I am not a new ager, nor any thing else - but I calls em as I sees em -
and forcing conversion on people who only need help for their basic
survival and going into countries and making a huge friggin deal about
the wonderful thing we are doing smacks of what Luther referred to as
"works righteousness" and is disgusting.
All forced conversions ( and there are many) are nothing more than
religious terrorism. Christianity is no different and no better than
any other belief system - muslim or jew or jw or moonie or scientology.
Any time any one says the ONE TRUE PATH is this way they are lying since
every single religion makes exactly the same claim.
FOrget your conspiracy theories and your bugaboo "christians are being
persecuted"and all the rest of that gobbledy gook and see that being
fundamentalist christian does not make you any different that being a
fundamentalist muslim.
Belief is simply belief and to insist that one system is better than
another is nothing more than human arrogance.
Kim P
>
Kim Palmer
yeah eyah you have THE ONLY TRUE interpretation of what a christian is
but so does each and every other christian group according to them and
they are no more wrong than you are nor are they more right. Belief is
based on something you cannot prove so stamping your little foot and
screaming that you are the ONLY ones who have the right answer just
makes you look like a spoiled little two year old. Grow up already
Kim P
Lisa Ruby
>Also, the inquisition was founded long before the Jesuits were, is that
>a problem for your theory?
I think the articles are a problem for anybody who claims that
Christians can be
terrorists or murderers.
It is SO interesting the term born again in relation to terrorism is
cropping up in media articles. See:
http://www.signandsight.com/features/296.html
You will see more of this as time goes by.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Kim Palmer
Yet over and over again christians DEmAND that you be born again blah
blah and demand that thier's is THE ONE TRUE PATH and anyone not on it
is going to hell etc etc. Demanding that religious beliefs be taught in
school science classes and that a nation is a "christian" nation ( when
it is NOT ) is terrorism - insisting that invading anothing country is
for the good of all when there is no reason to invade and destroy a
culture is terrorism.
Scientology is not part of some new world order conspiracy as there is
no such thing - the ony group I see demanding the entire world convert
is christians and they have no business doing so.
Fundamentalism in ANY form is terroristic by nature - maybe not overtly
but covertly.
Kim P
Lisa Ruby
>Demanding that religious beliefs be >taught in school science classes
Evolution is a religion (I know you don't agree) and as such, should
not be taught in government schools across the nation.
>and that a nation is a "christian" nation ( >when it is NOT ) is
>terrorism -
This nation is largely masonic and the president is a Skull and
Bonesman who is into Ozzy
Osbourne, not a Christian.
>insisting that invading anothing
>country is for the good of all when
>there is no reason to invade and >destroy a culture is terrorism.
I agree. What is being done in Iraq will also provoke terrorism.
See: War is Hell
http://www.tacklingthetoughtop ics.net/Eberhart/eberhart_war_
is_hell.html
Ramona
> Kim P wrote:
>
>
>>Demanding that religious beliefs be >taught in school science classes
>
>
> Evolution is a religion
No, it is science. Gravity is not a religion either, it is a Theory.
(I know you don't agree) and as such, should
> not be taught in government schools across the nation.
Evolution is provable, just as gravity and therefore should be taught in
a school science course, not as religion. And religion, which is
unprovable but faith-based does not belong in a science class.
>
> and that a nation is a "christian" nation ( when it is NOT ) is
> terrorism -
Actually forcing christianity upon non-christians is terrorism. Wanna
talk about the 4 crusades for a start? In 1492 Columbus sailed the
Ocean blue and the Moor and Jews were kicked out of Spain....by the, you
got it, bible believing, Jesus/Joshua loving, good and wholesome Christians.
>
> This nation is largely masonic
Where do you pull this out of? Masons may be protestant christians.
and the president is a Skull and
> Bonesman
It's a fraternity. He didn't qualify for Phi Beta Kappa, since his
academic record was less than stellar.
who is into Ozzy Osbourne,
Ozzy is a musician, not a religious figurehead. Enjoying someone music
does not mean that you embrace their personal beliefs. To do so makes
you an obsessive fan(atic) requiring mental health counseling.
not a Christian.
Prez. Bush is a nutso Christian like yourself trying to push the agenda
of the religious right foreward and the U.S. backward with them.
>
> insisting that invading anothing country is for the good of all when
> there is no reason to invade and destroy a
> culture is terrorism.
Yup how many soldiers did you allow to be killed for a gallon of gas?
>
> What is being done in Iraq will also provoke terrorism.
That we can see in the U.K. and other places.
>
> See: War is Hell
I am Jewish and do not accept your concept, but if such a place existed,
war would be its model.
Ramona
Lisa Ruby
>Actually forcing christianity upon >non-christians is terrorism.
Christians can't force Jesus Christ on anyone.
It is up to you whether you will follow the Lamb of God that takes
away the sins of the world or not.
If you refuse to do this, (most people refuse) then you are exercising
your will to do so. God won't ever force you to say "yes" to Him.
Satan is "the Force" and his agents are the ones who do the forcing.
Mind control is a major tool that he uses in an attempt to bypass a
person's will and eventually manipulate that person into total
capituation. (Yes, Scientology is all about mind control.)
Satan, (who came to steal, kill and destroy) and those who employ his
methodologies, terrorize mankind (via ridicule, persecutions, etc.)
into thinking it is easier to reject God and endure His just penalty
than it is to come unto Him and get some much-needed spiritual rest:
Jesus Christ said, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy
laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Mathew 11:28-30
Lisa Ruby
>Enjoying someone music
>does not mean that you embrace their >personal beliefs.
My point was that George Bush's fruit (his actions) reveal that he is
not a follower of Jesus Christ.
President George W. Bush does not stop at enjoying Ozzie's deeply
satanic music.
He invited the satanist, Ozzie Osbourne to the White House for dinner.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
[article], there was George W. Bush bantering with him. I'm sure
Democrats were cowering in the shadows for fear of evoking memories of
the sixties by being in a photo-op with Ozzie Osbourne, but not the
president. He was happy to banter with him. The Republicans are very
clever about this, on the one hand reaching out to the conservative
Christians, and on the other hand having sort of a populist, pop
culture, macho affect that puts at ease other voters.
Ramona
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>Actually forcing christianity upon >non-christians is terrorism.
>
>
> Christians can't force Jesus Christ on anyone.
Hahaha, that's funny. It happens on a regular basis. Whenever you
prostelize, you force Jesus on people.
>
> It is up to you whether you will follow the Lamb of God that takes
> away the sins of the world or not.
This is not scriptural per the Jewish scriptures. If you commit a "sin"
against man, God cannot even take that away. YOU must make restitution
to the person YOU offended since it's not God's issue.
>
> If you refuse to do this, (most people refuse) then you are exercising
> your will to do so. God won't ever force you to say "yes" to Him.
Jesus was a man that you christians deified per Constantine's Nicene
creed. FYI Constantine was a pagan.
>
> Satan is "the Force"
The "force" is in Star Wars. Satan is a Christian invention so as not
to take responsibility for their own wrongs. Oh Satan made me cheat on
my husband. Bullshit! Individuals make choices and should take
responsibility for those choices be it right or wrong.
and his agents are the ones who do the forcing.
More Crap! Nobody is forcing. You have choice with only yourself to
blame for bad choices. Blaming a fairytale doesn't take away your
responsibility, though it might make you feel better to delude yourself
that it wasn't really your fault. But that is still a lie.
> Mind control is a major tool that he uses in an attempt to bypass a
> person's will and eventually manipulate that person into total
> capituation. (Yes, Scientology is all about mind control.)
Well then christianity and scientology have a great deal in common.
Both believe in mind control over personal responsibility.
>
> Satan, (who came to steal, kill and destroy)
God created Satan, so God must want you to "steal, kill, and destroy,"
therefore God manufactured evil per Christianity.
and those who employ his
> methodologies, terrorize mankind (via ridicule, persecutions, etc.)
> into thinking it is easier to reject God and endure His just penalty
> than it is to come unto Him and get some much-needed spiritual rest:
People may choose the above and have no need of a Satan character. They
are responsible for their own actions. Christians deified the scapegoat
character Satan as the author of evil. It is Satan that takes the sins
of the world upon him.
>
> Jesus Christ said, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy
> laden, and I will give you rest.
>
> Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
> heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
>
> For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Those words mean nothing to me. Jesus was a man that lived 2,000 years
ago and words about him were composed 100 years after his life, so
actually quotes are dubious at best.
Mathew 11:28-30
But it is your Satan that you place the yoke upon everytime. You refuse
responsibility for your own action instead blaming God Satan and then
your God Jesus gets credit for rescuing you from the bad god.
Ramona
>
Ramona
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>Enjoying someone music
>>does not mean that you embrace their >personal beliefs.
>
>
> My point was that George Bush's fruit (his actions) reveal that he is
> not a follower of Jesus Christ.
Oh but he is a follower of Jesus. His actions are historically
consistent with the sum of all christianity.
>
> President George W. Bush does not stop at enjoying Ozzie's deeply
> satanic music.
Satanic? This from the woman that worships God Satan as the scapegoat
for all sin?!
>
> He invited the satanist, Ozzie Osbourne to the White House for dinner.
You have associated with Ozzie such that he specifically told you that
he is the worshipper of Satan? Actually he was raised Adventist and is
currently a christian. Ah but you would rather point fingers and commit
baseless, clueless judgement. How very Christian of you. It is no
wonder I can't stand christianity.
Ramona
Ramona
Ozzie was raised Adventist and is currently Christian. Go ahead Ruby
worry about the speck in someone else's eye when you clearly have a
plnak in your own.
I see very little difference between your action and that of CO$. It's
all about lies, smoke, and mirrors.
Ramona
K Palmer
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>Actually forcing christianity upon >non-christians is terrorism.
>
>
> Christians can't force Jesus Christ on anyone.
>
> It is up to you whether you will follow the Lamb of God that takes
> away the sins of the world or not.
yeash yeah and if we do not we are going to hell right ? even if
we do not believe in heaven and hell according to christian dogma
we are going to hell anyway - and god will punish anyone who is
an unbeliever .
>
> If you refuse to do this, (most people refuse) then you are exercising
> your will to do so. God won't ever force you to say "yes" to Him.
yeah yeah yeah but human beings who know they have THE answer still
force themselves onto you and demand that I tell them if I have been
born again - and what business it is of theirs is beyond me. Personal
choice is just that - PERSONAL - and no one else's business - but tell
that to the annoying door to door salesman who is standing on your
private property trying to sell you his/her version of the RIGHT religion.
>
> Satan is "the Force" and his agents are the ones who do the forcing.
> Mind control is a major tool that he uses in an attempt to bypass a
> person's will and eventually manipulate that person into total
> capituation. (Yes, Scientology is all about mind control.)
>
you have to believe that satan is real for that to be scary and since
you cannot empiracally PROVE it exists then it is still part of a belief
system. It is my contention that by preaching extreme black and white
thinking many christian groups are more cult like than religious.
> Satan, (who came to steal, kill and destroy) and those who employ his
> methodologies, terrorize mankind (via ridicule, persecutions, etc.)
> into thinking it is easier to reject God and endure His just penalty
> than it is to come unto Him and get some much-needed spiritual rest:
>
> Jesus Christ said, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy
> laden, and I will give you rest.
and the bible is full of contradictions - and is not necessarily what
you think it is. A human being wrote it down so therefore it is
automatically questionable as humans make mistakes.
>
> Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
> heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
yeah yeah I heard that before too - from a non-caring idiot who decided
that he had the right to tell me how to be a wife, a mother and a woman
without even considering that his advice was unwanted and unneeded.
>
> For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Mathew 11:28-30
>
that is a lie - being amongst dogmatic people makes life hard and unhappy.
Kim P
K Palmer
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>Enjoying someone music
>>does not mean that you embrace their >personal beliefs.
>
>
> My point was that George Bush's fruit (his actions) reveal that he is
> not a follower of Jesus Christ.
>
> President George W. Bush does not stop at enjoying Ozzie's deeply
> satanic music.
OH PULLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEZE - is only "christian" music acceptable?"
>
> He invited the satanist, Ozzie Osbourne to the White House for dinner.
>
big whoop - a muscian went to the white house for dinner - big friggin
deal - it is merely MUSIC of a different kind.
Censorship must be a high priority in your house - I personally do not
like osbourne but many others do
has NOTHING to do with satanism- that is just another dogmatic lie told
by so-called "loving" christians who want to control and censor
everything through their narrow little blinders to make themselves feel
oh so superior to everyone else.
Anything can be construed as satanism if you want it to - anything can
be tied to a fictional "new world order" too - just like hubbard's
fictious 12 bankers - does not mean it is true.
Kim P
> Lisa Ruby
> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
ramona
Lisa Ruby wrote:
> Fredric Rice wrote:
>
> >Ergo Roberts supports
> >Christian terrorism.
>
> There is no such thing as Christian
> terrorism.
Oh yes there is: This is a modern day example.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050823/ca_pr_on_wo/robertson_chavez;_ylt=AvENePtRuHBgOqbvvSN9pUms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has
called on-air for American operatives to assassinate Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez, saying it would be "cheaper than starting a war
. . . and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come
that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on the Christian
Broadcast Network's The 700 Club.
"We don't need another $200-billion war to get rid of one, you know,
strong-arm dictator," he said of the democratically elected Chavez, who
is a frequent critic of U.S. foreign policy.
"It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the
job and then get it over with."
Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of
President George W. Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to
topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him.
U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.
"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he
thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to
go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than
starting a war . . . and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
Among other things, Robertson accused Chavez, a personal friend of
Cuban leader Fidel Castro, of wanting Venezuela to become "a
launching pad for communist infiltration" and "Muslim extremism."
Robertson, 75, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a
former presidential candidate, accused the United States of failing to
act when Chavez was briefly overthrown in a failed right-wing coup in
2002.
A message to a Robertson spokeswoman seeking further comment was not
immediately returned.
Venezuela is the one of the world's largest oil exporters and a major
supplier to the United States. The CIA estimates that U.S. markets
absorb almost 59 per cent of Venezuela's total exports.
Venezuela's government has demanded in the past that the United States
crack down on Cuban and Venezuelan "terrorists" in Florida who they say
are conspiring against Chavez.
Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October
2003, he suggested that the U.S. State Department be blown up with a
nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to
"kill their children, practise witchcraft, destroy capitalism and
become lesbians."
>There IS such a thing as
> people who represent themselves as
> Christians who commit terrorist acts
> but there is no such thing as a genuine
> Christian who commits terrorism.
Wrong, the history books are LOADED with CHRISTIAN acts of TERRORISM.
>
> Fredric L. Rice is not the only person who is linking Christians with
> terroism.
That's because Christianity's history is based in terrorism and wading
through their bodies.
>
> The authors of the Left Behind
> Series are also conditioning
> the public to think that Christians
> can behave like terrorists.
Left Behind Series? Pick up most any history book and it's CLEAR that
Christians ARE Terrorists.
>
> [Note: Watch the press. In the coming years it will become common to
> read about "Christians" being arrested for
> terrorist acts.
One just got LIFE in prison for his Terrorist Christian acts. This is
proof that Christians are indeed terrorists.
Ramona
Ramona
> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>
>> Ramona wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Enjoying someone music
>>> does not mean that you embrace their >personal beliefs.
>>
>>
>>
>> My point was that George Bush's fruit (his actions) reveal that he is
>> not a follower of Jesus Christ.
>>
>> President George W. Bush does not stop at enjoying Ozzie's deeply
>> satanic music.
>
>
> OH PULLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEZE - is only "christian" music acceptable?"
She pulled out of the hat, the belief that Ozzie is a satanist. He is not.
>
>>
>> He invited the satanist, Ozzie Osbourne to the White House for dinner.
>>
>
> big whoop - a muscian went to the white house for dinner - big friggin
> deal - it is merely MUSIC of a different kind.
Rock music
>
> Censorship must be a high priority in your house - I personally do not
> like osbourne but many others do
>
> has NOTHING to do with satanism- that is just another dogmatic lie told
> by so-called "loving" christians who want to control and censor
> everything through their narrow little blinders to make themselves feel
> oh so superior to everyone else.
There you have it. Ruby is a christian terrorist, but doesn't see it in
her own actions.
She would ban science from the classroom, since provable evolution
offends her.
She would ban music. Clearly music is satanic and causes people to do
things. You would have to undestand that Ruby worships the evil of satan
and puts all her sins on him as her scapegoat.
>
> Anything can be construed as satanism if you want it to - anything can
> be tied to a fictional "new world order" too - just like hubbard's
> fictious 12 bankers - does not mean it is true.
Exactly.
She has the cult of her own creation, all else is false doctrine or are
bad christians.
Ramona
Lisa Ruby
You have associated with Ozzie such that he specifically told you that
he is the worshipper of Satan?
Ozzie's music specifically admits it, yes.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Zinj
Commis...@groupmail.com says...
> Ramona wrote:
> You have associated with Ozzie such that he specifically told you that
> he is the worshipper of Satan?
>
> Ozzie's music specifically admits it, yes.
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
Heh. That reminds me.
Over the past weekend I've been identified by two people as 'Ozzie'.
One, a middle aged Indian/chinese lady at a flea market, who didn't know
his name, but knew him from TV, and by a young twen/late teen who
pointed me out to his buddy.
Mind you; I'm a little chubby, and long-haired, but not even remotely
parkinsonian. I used to be identified as Neil Young :) (But, I'm not
really craggy enough to be Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere material :(
Anyway, I wansn't much of a fan back in the good old Black Sabbath days;
my taste in raunch-rock was more Mad River, Komkol, MC5 or maybe
stooges.
And, of course, Velvet Underground.
If Ozzie is Satanist... sheesh... what's that make me? :)
I'm a gazelle! Amphetamine gazelle!
Zinj
Lisa Ruby
Scientology/NWO agenda exposed and who do not want me to tell people
about God-- who has the power to deliver people from Scientology's
clutches no matter how carefully guarded they may be and how sharp the
razor wire that surrounds the grounds may be:
I have decided that I probably won't be responding to most of your
posts-- which are nothing more than attempts to damage control what I
write.
You can continue to practice damage control, and I will continue to
give you a reason to do so.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Anyway, I wansn't much of a fan back in the >good old Black Sabbath days;
I'm glad to hear that. Maybe you were not like my husband and two (now
dead) friends, who signed the contract with Satan that was on the back
cover of one of the Black Sabbath albums.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
Christian "Religous Right" before I had a chance to do it. This article
proves my point. The leadership of the "Christian Right" is actually
pushing the NWO agenda! They are working to cause the public to think
that Christians are terrorists and assassins. That way, when it is time
to turn in the troublemakers or "misfits," the public will be all too
ready to oblige.
The sixth book in the Left Behind Series is called Assassins for the
simple reason that the "Christian" hero of the series, Rayford Steele,
plotted and almost carried out the assassination of a head of state.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Satan as the scapegoat for all sin?!
Ramona, this is what satanists believe. Where did you learn this?
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Zinj
Commis...@groupmail.com says...
> Zinj wrote:
>
> >Anyway, I wansn't much of a fan back in the >good old Black Sabbath days;
>
> I'm glad to hear that. Maybe you were not like my husband and two (now
> dead) friends, who signed the contract with Satan that was on the back
> cover of one of the Black Sabbath albums.
>
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
Jesus told me I'm a spaceman, and I believe in every word He said
-Shawn Phillips
I'm too stoned to understand or to catch on to anything that's going on
-Mad River
When I'm rushing on my run; and I feel just like Jesus' son
Well, then I guess; that I just don't know.
-Velvet Underground
Kick out the jams motherfuckers
-MC5
Zinj
Lisa Ruby
>Clearly music is satanic and causes people to do things.
When satanists such as Ozzie Osbourne play music that is filled with
curses you very well know that it causes people to do things. Evil
things.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Zinj
Commis...@groupmail.com says...
> Ramona wrote:
>
> >Clearly music is satanic and causes people to do things.
>
> When satanists such as Ozzie Osbourne play music that is filled with
> curses you very well know that it causes people to do things. Evil
> things.
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving
hysterical naked
-A Ginsberg
Our bassist, in his pursuit of Ozzielike powerz threw a table out the
window of the 'green room'; and the drummer ripped a chair asunder and
played his whole set with the broken legs.
Demonic!
Zinj
realpch
Lisa, I suspect that a lot of modern Satanism comes down to signing the
contract on the back cover of a Black Sabbath album.
Peach
barb
Heh...Ozzie's no more a real Satanist than Alice Cooper or Marilyn
Manson. It's all image, known to work because parents hate it.
Therefore, kids love it. I don't doubt that it draws some kids to the
dark side, sacrificing kittens and making up silly rituals to perform in
graveyards, but in Satanism, antisocial behavior is optional.
In Scientology, it's a sacrament. Mandatory.
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
Ramona
It's about tennage angst and rebellion. Saying the word "satan"
doesn't make one a satanist. Saying the words "sold our souls to rock
'n roll" doesn't actually mean any sould were bought or sold.
You give up your sins to the scapegoat Satan, it seems your favorite
God. Odd that you are so willing to judge others when you are a satanist.
Ramona
Ramona
> Kim P, Ramona, and likeminded posters who do not want the
> Scientology/NWO agenda exposed and who do not want me to tell people
> about God--
You are telling only what YOU Lisa Ruby believe to be God through your
own anthropomorphic thinking. Bush is a Christian and you deny him that
because he isn't your brand name. BTW nwo is a conspiracy theory of the
mentally challenged.
who has the power to deliver people from Scientology's
> clutches no matter how carefully guarded they may be and how sharp the
> razor wire that surrounds the grounds may be:
It would just be transferring one fairytale for another.
>
> I have decided that I probably won't be responding to most of your
> posts--
Yup, you don't want your reality altered it mmight make you lose faith.
which are nothing more than attempts to damage control what I
> write.
>
> You can continue to practice damage control, and I will continue to
> give you a reason to do so.
Clearly. You give CO$ evidence to continue with your judgemental and
hateful Gods as alternative. I think I might have to chose CO$ in that
case.
Ramona
Ramona
> Zinj wrote:
>
>
>>Anyway, I wansn't much of a fan back in the >good old Black Sabbath days;
>
>
> I'm glad to hear that. Maybe you were not like my husband and two (now
> dead) friends, who signed the contract with Satan that was on the back
> cover of one of the Black Sabbath albums.
What dumbasses to sign a COVER of an album and consider it a real
contract. Again its teenage angst and rebellion...a joke. If they got
to that point, they clearly needed a mental health professional.
Signing a cover as a real contract is insane.
Ramona
Ramona
> Ramona posted the article about the Pat Robertson, a member of the fake
> Christian "Religous Right" before I had a chance to do it.
NOT FAKE Christians, even if YOU Ruby don't like them and what they do.
You are a christian just like them.
I am a Jew and will die a Jew. Where will I go after death, per your
Christian bible?
This article
> proves my point. The leadership of the "Christian Right" is actually
> pushing the NWO agenda!
No it just continues the hate agenda that has plagued the Jewish people
since the invention of the cult of Christianity, expecially by
Constantine via the Nicene Creed.
They are working to cause the public to think
> that Christians are terrorists and assassins.
And history proves that to be true.
That way, when it is time
> to turn in the troublemakers or "misfits," the public will be all too
> ready to oblige.
>
> The sixth book in the Left Behind Series is called Assassins for the
> simple reason that the "Christian" hero of the series, Rayford Steele,
> plotted and almost carried out the assassination of a head of state.
I don't read any of your cult favorites. It's likely as crappy as
Dianetics.
Ramona
K Palmer
arrogance of your stance that YOU have THE ONLY TRUE WAY and all others
are imposters or satas's minions or something like that. Guess what THAT
is what every single group of christians says - every single one of them
and they all sound arrogant and dismissive of anyone who dares challenge
any one of their statements.
So go ahead and find ties where none exist and live in fear FEAR FEAR of
everything and anything that does not fit into your tiny definition of
what REAL CHRISTIANITY is but do not be surprised when people call you
on it and demand that you PROVE your assertions.
Religion is still only faith in something that is unprovable - it is not
science and it is personal. What a person chooses to believe or not
believe is no one's business but their own. No one religion has THE
answer and in fact religion has done more harm to more people than just
about anything else humankind has managed to dream up. It really does
dull the senses and destroy creativity.
Kim P
Ramona
>>Satan as the scapegoat for all sin?!
>
> Ramona, this is what satanists believe. Where did you learn this?
I thought of you while hiking and the beliefs that you seem to espouse.
It is clear that you are a satanist in that you put your sins on Satan
("he made me do it") seems to be your mantra.
Ramona
Ramona
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>Clearly music is satanic and causes people to do things.
No. People do "things" because they make choices, unless you don't
believe in free will.
>
>
> When satanists such as Ozzie Osbourne play music that is filled with
> curses you very well know that it causes people to do things. Evil
> things.
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
Again Ozzie does not claim to be a satanist, but a christian just like
you. NOw go back to pulling the plank out of your own eye.
K Palmer
damn - not enough coffee before posting - that should read PROVABLE not
unprovable...
Ramona
> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>
>> Ramona wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Clearly music is satanic and causes people to do things.
>>
>>
>>
>> When satanists such as Ozzie Osbourne play music that is filled with
>> curses you very well know that it causes people to do things. Evil
>> things.
>>
>>
>> Lisa Ruby
>> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>>
> Heh...Ozzie's no more a real Satanist than Alice Cooper or Marilyn
> Manson. It's all image, known to work because parents hate it.
> Therefore, kids love it. I don't doubt that it draws some kids to the
> dark side, sacrificing kittens and making up silly rituals to perform in
> graveyards, but in Satanism, antisocial behavior is optional.
> In Scientology, it's a sacrament. Mandatory.
>
>
Ozzie is an Adventist. Alice Cooper, father a minister, also accepted
"jesus" and is born again (whatever that means, not that I want to know
either fyi.)
Marilyn, I hate his music, it's just noise to me. So I'm not even
interested in finding out his background.
Ramona
K Palmer
I believe he is an atheist - I saw an interview with him and he is
incredibly intelligent - I do not like his music per se but it is
basically teen age rebellion that makes kids like him - upsets the folks
and all that.
This entire classify music as satanic or whatever is just silly and
censorship of the stupidest kind. Kids will listen to whatever it is
they listen to regardless of whether mom and dad approve or not -
especially if they don't.
What I wonder is how do parents actually think that they are doing their
kids any favours by controlling every aspect of every thing they do and
using fear to do it? They cannot control what their kids think - and
they have no control over what their kids do when they leave the house -
there are many lost kids out there who came from over controlling
absolutists who demanded that their children be little sheep and not
learn to think for themselves. Too many children have been damaged by
so-called loving parents who insisted on absolute obedience - like you
would from a working dog or something.
There seems to be a disconnect from reality when these holier than thou
types get going on their pet peeves - be it music, dress, gays, or
whatever - no sense of love or compassion comes from these loving
christian people if it is not part of their myopic view of the world.
Rule by fear is what fascist do best ;-)
Kim P
ramona
> > Ramona
> I believe he is an atheist - I saw an interview with him and he is
> incredibly intelligent - I do not like his music per se but it is
> basically teen age rebellion that makes kids like him - upsets the folks
> and all that.
Okay, I had to look it up. With a name like Warner, I thought he might
possibly be Jewish in which Atheism is allowed.
"A Canton, Ohio native and the son of Hugh and Barbara Warner. Hugh had
fought in the Vietnam War and while there was exposed to so much Agent
Orange that military doctors and psychologists were amazed that young
Brian turned out "normal". Brian Warner attended a Christian school,
but was alienated by what he saw as hypocrisy, and a religion that
seemed to teach fear more than it taught virtues. Brian graduated from
Glen Oak High School, where he joined a band, in which he started out
playing percussion instruments like bass and snare drum, but ended up
playing triangle. After his graduation, the Warner family moved to Ft.
Lauderdale, Florida."
Hmm Christianity teaches fear over virtue? And he was able to
ascertain this as a child? I think I like him afterall, but still NOT
the music.
Ramona
>
> This entire classify music as satanic or whatever is just silly and
> censorship of the stupidest kind. Kids will listen to whatever it is
> they listen to regardless of whether mom and dad approve or not -
> especially if they don't.
>
> What I wonder is how do parents actually think that they are doing their
> kids any favours by controlling every aspect of every thing they do and
> using fear to do it?
That I have no idea. I thought my job as a parent was to raise my
children to be independant, productive, and reasonably mentally healthy
children.
>They cannot control what their kids think - and
> they have no control over what their kids do when they leave the house -
> there are many lost kids out there who came from over controlling
> absolutists who demanded that their children be little sheep and not
> learn to think for themselves.
Yes but just wait for the rebellion post adult move out of the house.
> Too many children have been damaged by
> so-called loving parents who insisted on absolute obedience - like you
> would from a working dog or something.
Having absolute control is what precipitates anoxeria as well, which
brings us back to Terri Schiavo and her parents. Too much of their
control seemed to have killed Terri. Even her husband's absulte love
couldn't save her from the damage her parents inflicted on her early in
life.
>
> There seems to be a disconnect from reality when these holier than thou
> types get going on their pet peeves - be it music, dress, gays, or
> whatever - no sense of love or compassion comes from these loving
> christian people if it is not part of their myopic view of the world.
THey don't even follow their own Jesus who never ONCE spoke
anti-homosexual. Instead his actions prove his otherwise. When the
centurian of th christian bible wanted his "servant" healed Jesus did
so because of the man's great faith. This despite the fact that the
servant was a sexual sevant per the ancient language. Ah but the
christian skip right past that one, instead damning gays to hell.
>
> Rule by fear is what fascist do best ;-)
Yes they do.
Ramona
>
> Kim P
iTal
Ramona wrote:
>
>>Actually forcing christianity upon >non-christians is terrorism.
On 23 Aug 2005 02:08:18 -0700, "Lisa Ruby"
<Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote:
>
>Christians can't force Jesus Christ on anyone.
>
No they can't, but they sure do try. In my experience, Christians have
a hard sell as or more intense than Scientology. Many believe it's
their 'duty' to 'spread the gospel' and convert others.
>It is up to you whether you will follow the Lamb of God that takes
>away the sins of the world or not.
I agree.
>If you refuse to do this, (most people refuse) then you are exercising
>your will to do so. God won't ever force you to say "yes" to Him.
I agree.
>Satan is "the Force" and his agents are the ones who do the forcing.
>Mind control is a major tool that he uses in an attempt to bypass a
>person's will and eventually manipulate that person into total
>capituation. (Yes, Scientology is all about mind control.)
A lot of Scientology is about mind control - positive, good,
uplifting, life reafirming mind control, but of course in the mix
there and extreme measure of negative mind control - ditto for the
cult of Christianity or *any* organized religion.
BTW, most Scientolgists where 'raised' as Christians and even though
L. Ron Hubbard once uttered something like 'there is no Christ' many
Scientologists, and ex-Scientologists like myself believe whatever the
fuck we want to believe. There is 'a Christ' - in my mind/universe,
but he's nothing like the Christ that most Christian religions have
distorted him out to be.
IMHO, there is no such thing as Satan. The idea of Satan is a mind
control mechanism of Christianity, just as the idea of Body Thetans -
or Booty Satans as I prefer to call them - are a bullshit control
mechanism of Scientology Doctrine.
It's all about control by domination and FEAR. Be afraid, be very
afraid. Be afraid of Satan and Booty Satans (body thetans) - the wrath
of GOD - eternity in hell if you do not accept Jesus to take away your
sins.
Bullshit. *My* god and my *Jesus* (or the facet of 'god' you could
call Jesus Christ) has nothing but complete utter UNCONDITIONAL love
for those created in 'his' image and likeness - that would be you and
me and every other human being on this planet and others.
>Satan, (who came to steal, kill and destroy) and those who employ his
>methodologies, terrorize mankind (via ridicule, persecutions, etc.)
>into thinking it is easier to reject God and endure His just penalty
>than it is to come unto Him and get some much-needed spiritual rest:
Lisa, please, please, get off the 'Satan' thing. Satan is a mythical
'character' or 'identity' that people use to spread FEAR of evil and
even as a 'symbol' to embrace evil. But, *he* just doesn't exist. All
you do by even mentioning 'Satan' is infuse the idea of 'Satan' with
your own personal energy. As they say in Scientology - that which you
put your attention on you validate and empower - something like that.
>Jesus Christ said, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy
>laden, and I will give you rest.
>
>Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
>heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
>
>For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Mathew 11:28-30
Yes, now that's the idea. Take comfort in the love of god, christ,
whatever you want to call 'source' and rest. On that note, I'm gonna
take a nice afternoon nap on this beautiful summer day ;-)
iTal
Fredric Rice wrote:
>
>>Ergo Roberts supports
>>Christian terrorism.
>
On 12 Aug 2005 23:36:07 -0700, "Lisa Ruby"
<Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote:
>There is no such thing as Christian
>terrorism. There IS such a thing as
>people who represent themselves as
>Christians who commit terrorist acts
>but there is no such thing as a genuine
>Christian who commits terrorism.
>
Calm down Lisa. Lighten up - it was a JOKE - OK?
I get what you are saying - 'no such thing as a genuine Christian who
commits terrorism'.
There is no such thing as an honest, principled, ethical Christian or
member of any other religious mindset who would contribute to or
participate in terrorist acts.
>Fredric L. Rice is not the only person who is linking Christians with
>terroism.
>The authors of the Left Behind
>Series are also conditioning
>the public to think that Christians
>can behave like terrorists.
>See:
>Murder for "The Cause"
>http://libertytothecaptives.net/murder_for_the_cause.html
>
>[Note: Watch the press. In the coming years it will become common to
>read about "Christians" being arrested for
>terrorist acts. This is an integral part of the New Age/NWO agenda.
>
>Lisa Ruby
>http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
I'll have to check out this 'murder for the cause' article you mention
and the idea of christians being arrested for terrorist acts as part
of some New Age/NWO agenda. Sounds interesting.
iTal
Ramona
>>Christians can't force Jesus Christ on anyone.
>>
>
>
> No they can't, but they sure do try.
Oh they force Jesus on people, but the people do not have to accept it.
I had a neighbor that handed me a cult Jews for Jesus flier. He
wonders why I was offended.
In my experience, Christians have
> a hard sell as or more intense than Scientology. Many believe it's
> their 'duty' to 'spread the gospel' and convert others.
>
>
>>It is up to you whether you will follow the Lamb of God that takes
>>away the sins of the world or not.
>
>
> I agree.
>
>
>>If you refuse to do this, (most people refuse) then you are exercising
>>your will to do so. God won't ever force you to say "yes" to Him.
So when did God convert?
Even if it is just another anthropomorphism, I like your god better.
>
>
>
>>Satan, (who came to steal, kill and destroy) and those who employ his
>>methodologies, terrorize mankind (via ridicule, persecutions, etc.)
>>into thinking it is easier to reject God and endure His just penalty
>>than it is to come unto Him and get some much-needed spiritual rest:
>
>
> Lisa, please, please, get off the 'Satan' thing. Satan is a mythical
> 'character' or 'identity' that people use to spread FEAR of evil and
> even as a 'symbol' to embrace evil. But, *he* just doesn't exist. All
> you do by even mentioning 'Satan' is infuse the idea of 'Satan' with
> your own personal energy.
Yes, she worships Satan as the manufacterer of Evil, even though God
created Satan, per her belief system.
As they say in Scientology - that which you
> put your attention on you validate and empower - something like that.
Thank you for that quote for CO$.
>
>
>>Jesus Christ said, Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy
>>laden, and I will give you rest.
>>
>>Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
>>heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
>>
>>For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. Mathew 11:28-30
>
>
> Yes, now that's the idea. Take comfort in the love of god, christ,
> whatever you want to call 'source' and rest. On that note, I'm gonna
> take a nice afternoon nap on this beautiful summer day ;-)
>
And I'm going to get on the tractor and mow. Woo hoo.
Ramona
Lisa Ruby
>I don't doubt that it draws some kids to the
>dark side, sacrificing kittens and making up silly
>rituals to perform in graveyards, but in Satanism,
>antisocial behavior is optional. but in Scientology,
>it's a sacrament. Mandatory.
Scientology IS satanism.
And Ozzie Osbourne works for his master, Satan.
Ozzy's claim to fame was the lead singer of the heavy metal group
Black Sabbath. Singing songs filled with doom, evil, the occult, Satan
and destruction, Black Sabbath's music has been appropriately
referred to as "Satan Rock".
Sabbath's music is described as ". . .demonic riffing . . . ."
(Guitar World, July 2001, p. 62), possessing a ". . . demonic nature. .
." (Guitar Legends, No. 37, p. 32) and ". . . a fascination with evil
and the devil. . ." (Circus, May 31, 1984, p. 59)
Making sure no one could possibly misinterpret their pro-Devil and
anti-Christ message, Sabbath's first album portrayed a demonic witch
on the cover and in the inside - the cross of Jesus Christ -
upside-down. The universal symbol of Satanism and anti-Christianity.
Sabbath's song N.I.B. (Nativity In Black), from their first album, is
one of the most openly satanic songs ever recorded. It is a love-song
from Lucifer. In the song, Ozzy sings in the first person as a loving,
gift-giving Lucifer. . . And Ozzy, a.k.a Lucifer, openly invites the
listener to "take Lucifer's hand".
"Some people say MY LOVE cannot be true
Please believe me, MY LOVE, and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal . . .
YOUR LOVE FOR ME has just got to be real . . .
Look into my eyes, you will see who I am
MY NAME IS LUCIFER, PLEASE TAKE MY HAND!"
Many of Ozzy's songs tell the story of a man possessed by something
very evil - and he knows it!
I can hear'em, I can hear'em
I can see'em, I can see'em. . .
In my head I hear the voices scream. . .
S.I.N from No More Tears by Ozzy Osbourne
Hiding from the laughter and the demons dancing round my brain
Always dancing on thin ice I guess I'll have to pay the price
Zombie Stomp from No More Tears by Ozzy Osbourne
A sickened mind and spirit the mirror tells me lies
Could I mistake myself for someone who lives behind my eyes
Will he escape my soul or will he live in me
Is he tryin' to get out or tryin' to enter me.
Voices in the darkness scream away my mental health
Diary of a Madman from Dairy of a Madman by Ozzy Osbourne
I just can't stop it, I try and I try
X-rated demon that lives in my head
Hungry for bodge, and he wants to be fed
No Bone Movies from Blizzard of Oz by Ozzy Osbourne
Everybody's talking crazy
Some think I am a devil maybe
Hero by Ozzy Osbourne
I have a vision that I just can't control
I feel I've lost my spirit and sold my soul
That I'm facing hell
Gets Me Through by Ozzy Osbourne
Can you hear them
All the voices in my head. . .
They won't be happy 'till I'm dead
Can You Hear Them by Ozzy Osbourne
Quoted from
Lisa Ruby
>Lisa, please, please, get off the 'Satan' thing. Satan is a mythical
>'character' or 'identity' that people use to spread FEAR of evil and
>even as a 'symbol' to embrace evil. But, *he* just doesn't exist. All
>you do by even mentioning 'Satan' is infuse the idea of 'Satan' with
>your own personal energy. As they say in Scientology - that which you
>put your attention on you validate and empower - something like that.
I wondered where the churches got the idea that exposing Satan and his
devices will give him more power. Actually, the more you know about the
way Satan works, the harder it is for him to accomplish his goals
through his various agents.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Ramona
> And Ozzie Osbourne works for his master, Satan.
Lisa Ruby puts her sins on her God Satan, her ALmighty scapegoat. That
makes her a Satanist.
> Making sure no one could possibly misinterpret their pro-Devil and
> anti-Christ message, Sabbath's first album portrayed a demonic witch
> on the cover and in the inside - the cross of Jesus Christ -
> upside-down. The universal symbol of Satanism and anti-Christianity.
She worships false idols when she concerns herself with "The Cross."
Scripturally if it's made by man and worshiped, it is an idol.
<snip>
Ramona
Ramona
>
> I wondered where the churches got the idea that exposing Satan and his
> devices will give him more power.
Exposing? Naw, your Church teaches you about your God Satan and how He
is the Scapegoat for your sins. Any teaching, even if the subject matter
is imaginary, gives VALIDITY to the subject being taught. That is why
Fundies are so afraid of Evolution being taught in schools. Your focus
on Satan only gives that illusion more power and reality.
That is also the reason for this ng, to teach the truth about CO$,
thereby giving the anti message POWER.
<snip>
Ramona
Lisa Ruby
>What dumbasses to sign a COVER of an album and consider it a real
>contract.
That Black Sabbath contract that many people signed in their own blood
was a binding contract and you and your damage-control-for-Satan ARS
friends know it.
The rest of this post is not for Ramona but for lurkers:
There is no contract with Satan that cannot be broken through the power
of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't believe the lie that if you turn from Satan to the God of the
Bible that you are certain to die a horrible traitor's death. God is
much more powerful than Satan and is willing to show Himself strong on
your behalf if you are completely serious about turning to Him.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
Kim Palmer
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>What dumbasses to sign a COVER of an album and consider it a real
>>contract.
>
>
> That Black Sabbath contract that many people signed in their own blood
> was a binding contract and you and your damage-control-for-Satan ARS
> friends know it.
>
hardly twit - it was nothing more than a record album - meaningless
except in the twisted minds of some stupid blinded fundies who see satan
everywhere always
> The rest of this post is not for Ramona but for lurkers:
>
> There is no contract with Satan that cannot be broken through the power
> of the Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> Don't believe the lie that if you turn from Satan to the God of the
> Bible that you are certain to die a horrible traitor's death. God is
> much more powerful than Satan and is willing to show Himself strong on
> your behalf if you are completely serious about turning to Him.
>
blah blah my god is bigger than any other god I have THE ONE TRUE path
just like every single religion and you have no more proof than any
other religion that your way is THE way.
Kim P
Ramona
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>What dumbasses to sign a COVER of an album and consider it a real
>>contract.
>
>
> That Black Sabbath contract that many people signed in their own blood
> was a binding contract
of it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/340975p-291093c.html
Evangelist Pat's diet shake-up
NEWS WIRE SERVICES
NORFOLK, Va. - Pat Robertson's "age-defying" diet shake isn't just a
philanthropic endeavor anymore. Now the televangelist is looking to turn
a profit from it.
After four years of touting the benefits of his weight-loss shake via
his nonprofit Christian Broadcasting Network and sending the recipe to
any viewer who asked for it, Robertson has licensed the shake for
national distribution by General Nutrition Corp., a Pittsburgh-based
health-food chain.
Robertson - who apologized earlier this week after suggesting the U.S.
assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez - says he is exercising his
right to engage in a business venture, but the Trinity Foundation, an
evangelical watchdog group, says he is abusing his nonprofit status.
Robertson, 75, says 1.5 million people have requested the recipe for
"Pat's Age-Defying Shake," which includes ingredients such as safflower
oil, protein powder and vinegar.
One of them was Phil Busch, 41, a resident of suburban Dallas. He says
he weighed 410 pounds when he saw Robertson promoting his shake on TV in
2003 and decided to give it a try. By following Robertson's diet in
conjunction with an exercise program, Busch says, he lost 198 pounds and
turned himself into a mass of muscle.
In 2005, Robertson launched a 12-week Weight Loss Challenge on "The 700
Club," getting viewers to slim down with exercise and a healthy diet -
and two daily doses of his shake.
Busch sent in before-and-after pictures of himself. "They were
ecstatic," Busch said. He says representatives of Robertson's
organization led him to believe that he might be able to get a contract
as a national spokesman for the shake. He is bitter about being elbowed
aside.
In a written reply to an inquiry from The Virginian-Pilot, Louis
Isakoff, an attorney representing Robertson, characterized Busch's
allegations as "bizarre, completely untrue and sadly mistaken."
> and you and your damage-control-for-Satan ARS
> friends know it.
You are *STILL* worshipping your Satan I see. You place every *sin* you
commit at HIS feet. Well at least that part of you is consistent.
>
> The rest of this post is not for Ramona but for lurkers:
Aww, and you still haven't told me what happens to be after my death
evading the question, per your belief system. I am Jewish.
>
> There is no contract with Satan that cannot be broken through the power
> of the Lord Jesus Christ.
There was no legally binding contract in the first place. Consider
going to a public library and looking at some law texts.
>
> Don't believe the lie that if you turn from Satan to the God of the
> Bible that you are certain to die a horrible traitor's death. God is
> much more powerful than Satan and is willing to show Himself strong on
> your behalf if you are completely serious about turning to Him.
Yet oddly enough with the strength and power of Ruby's god, he needs a
messiah (clearly not the type of messiah of the O.T.) to help him.
Sounds like a weak God.
No wonder you seem to prefer your God Satan. He doesn't seem to need
any extra help from anyone. He gets you to sin all by himself. You
gladlly place every sin at his feet as sacpegoat.
Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die. I am Jewish.
Ramona
barb
> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>
>> Ramona wrote:
>>
>>
>>> What dumbasses to sign a COVER of an album and consider it a real
>>> contract.
>>
>>
>>
>> That Black Sabbath contract that many people signed in their own blood
>> was a binding contract and you and your damage-control-for-Satan ARS
>> friends know it.
ROTFL! You have got to be kidding me! Cheech and Chong's first album,
Big Bambu, came with a giant rolling paper. But that was real and could
be used. Your silly "satanic contract" is just that. Silly.
The lads of Black Sabbath would probably laugh you out the door. They
have better perspective than this poster. Geesh.
>>
>
> hardly twit - it was nothing more than a record album - meaningless
> except in the twisted minds of some stupid blinded fundies who see satan
> everywhere always
>
>> The rest of this post is not for Ramona but for lurkers:
>>
>> There is no contract with Satan that cannot be broken through the power
>> of the Lord Jesus Christ.
>>
>> Don't believe the lie that if you turn from Satan to the God of the
>> Bible that you are certain to die a horrible traitor's death. God is
>> much more powerful than Satan and is willing to show Himself strong on
>> your behalf if you are completely serious about turning to Him.
>>
>
> blah blah my god is bigger than any other god I have THE ONE TRUE path
> just like every single religion and you have no more proof than any
> other religion that your way is THE way.
>
> Kim P
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Ruby
>> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Lisa Ruby
>>
Lisa Ruby
>Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die. I am Jewish.
The Jews that I am aquainted with do not defend Satan's followers and
they do not believe the satanic doctrine that Satan is the scapegoat
for sin.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Saying the word "satan" doesn't make one a satanist.
Yes, but satanists such as Ozzie Osbourne do brazenly worship Satan in
song. By the way, truthfully identifying as a Ozzie a satanist is not
an insult. It is simply a statement of fact. He sings to the one he
worships and receives his wealth and fame from.
Lisa Ruby
Ramona
>
>>Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die? I am Jewish.
I noted that you evaded the question. Unfortunately you also damn those
"jews that you are aqainted."
Here's another question for you: Why did God create Satan, especially if
He knew that Satan would harm many of his "children" and cause eternal
"damnation" per your belief?
>
>
> The Jews that I am aquainted with do not defend Satan's followers
They don't defend Satan's followers because per Judaism Satan doesn't
exist. So, those same Jews would also not defend Easter Bunny
followers, since the Easter Bunny also does not exist.
and
> they do not believe the satanic doctrine that Satan is the scapegoat
> for sin.
Nope, only you believe that Satan is the scapegoat. Hmm, Why do you
sin? "Because Satan made me do it." Yup, he's your scapegoat. Jews have
no such concept. You blame Satan for your sins putting them firmly at
his feet. When a Jew "sins" it's because he/she made a bad choice with
nobody else to blame but self. Oh and sin only means missing the mark.
Those you are acquainted with, I noted you didn't say friends, likely
don't converse with you regarding such topics since you clearly are
bigoted against anyone that doesn't buy your brand of jesus.
Again, where do those you are acquainted with and I go after our deaths
since we are Jewish and do not accept Jesus/Joshua as anything but a
man? Please don't evade this question about your "loving" God.
From the words of Hillel, "Love one another, the rest is all
commentary." Oh and he *predates* someone else that the quote is
attributed.
Ramona
PS Why do you post on a Scientology N.G? Are you a scientologist only
trying to distract from the real issues? Because that IS the effect.
Lisa Ruby
All your major rock groups are card holders of the Silver Star. It is
Satan's Musician's secret Society.
Skull and Bones is for politicians and some lawyers.
Silver Star is for satanist rock musicians.
I was a member of Silver Star over thirty years ago.
Gary Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Ramona
>
>>Saying the word "satan" doesn't make one a satanist.
>
>
> Yes, but satanists such as Ozzie Osbourne do brazenly worship Satan in
> song.
Ozzie is an adventist. Adventists are Christians.
By the way, truthfully identifying as a Ozzie a satanist is not
> an insult.
Not if you believe Adventists, who are christians, to be satanist. It
confirms my belief that you are indeed a satanist. You must have gotten
that one from Father Hubbard. Oh he would be so proud of you.
Oddly enough Ozzie does not consider himself a satanist, but a
christian. "Judge not lest ye be judged."
It is simply a statement of fact.
You are personally acquainted with Ozzie and he has discussed this with
you? I doubt it.
He sings to the one he
> worships
He sings songs to teenage angsters for a living. Rebellion is a normal
part of that, have you really never read about the prodigal son? It's
about discovering oneself and seperating from parents.
and receives his wealth and fame from.
He doesn't receive money for his adventist worship but for singing songs
about that which teenagers desire to hear. Ever hear of supply and
demand? He clearly filled such with his own unique style of music.
Get the plank out of your own eye and quit worrying about the speck in
Ozzie's.
Now go Ruby and place the blame of your sins at the feet of Satan.
Ramona
Again, this is a Scientology ng.
>
Ramona
Based on the words of Gary Ruby:
Ozzie was a Silver star member
Gary was a silver star member
You claim Ozzie a satanist
therefore *YOU* are a satanist.
Thank you for clarifying.
Skull and Bones is a fraternity. Bush couldn't get into Phi Beta
Kappa because his grades were less than stellar.
Speaking of less than stellar grades, are you aware that Hubbard did not
complete a college education though he claimed to be an engineer and
scientist? He even flunked many of the general ed courses.
"Do not to worry about the speck in another's eye when there is a plank
in your own."
Ramona
Kim Palmer
system you claim is THE ONE and ONLY way . Thing is - each and every
single belief system claims the very same thing so who is really right?
No one knows and no one can prove empiracally that their path is THE
right path. Belief in something you cannot prove is faith - and blind
faith only leaves you blind.
Kim P
Ramona
doesn't only leave you blind. It may leave you poor, as in the case of
many CO$ members making below poverty level wages eating lots of rice
and beans. It may leave you sick or even dead (Lisa Mcpherson and the
mother of Jeremy Perkins.) It may lead you to disconnect from your
family picking the Church over family. It may lead you to become
someone that believes in remote controlled bees. And finally it may
lead you to think you have the ability, over God, to determine whether
someone is christian or not based on "your" understanding and not the
state of that person's soul assuming such exists.
Ah but what do I know?
Ramona
Ball of Fluff
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125178464.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Ozzie is a Silver Star card member--which most of the rock groups are.
> All your major rock groups are card holders of the Silver Star. It is
> Satan's Musician's secret Society.
Can't be all that secret, tho'...
>
> Skull and Bones is for politicians and some lawyers.
It's a society that is widely known about. It's a bit like a fraternity.It's
got some ritualistic foolishness, but is mainly, like the "Greek
organizations" (sororities and fraternities) meant for college students to
create alliances and what we Scn'ists would call "comm lines" at a young age
that they can invoke years and decades down the line.
People who go to Ivy League colleges tend to form some very powerful
alliances that help them later in life.
>
> Silver Star is for satanist rock musicians.
Not all rock singers are Satanists. Though many dabble in it. (Read "the
Dirt" by Motley Crue. Nikky Sixx dabbled in it for a while when he was
living with Lita Ford. What happened scared the shit out of him.
Some of the rockers with the worst reputations never dabbled in it. Alice
Cooper, for example, is a minister's son married to a minister's daughter
who just a couple years ago publicly professed his love for Jesus.
C
Ball of Fluff
"Ramona" <atlr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eZ4Qe.10152$wb5...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
>>
>>>Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die? I am Jewish.
>
> I noted that you evaded the question. Unfortunately you also damn those
> "jews that you are aqainted."
>
>
>
> Here's another question for you: Why did God create Satan, especially if
> He knew that Satan would harm many of his "children" and cause eternal
> "damnation" per your belief?
Well, speaking as someone who was once well versed in Christian ideology and
indoctrination, I believe the answer is that he didn't create "Satan" but he
created "Lucifer", the angel.
A Catholic and even many Protestants would tell you that God creates beings
knowing what they may do down the line but that it's up to the being and
that it's a matter of free will.
>>
>>
>> The Jews that I am aquainted with do not defend Satan's followers
>
> They don't defend Satan's followers because per Judaism Satan doesn't
> exist. So, those same Jews would also not defend Easter Bunny followers,
> since the Easter Bunny also does not exist.
> and
>> they do not believe the satanic doctrine that Satan is the scapegoat
>> for sin.
>
> Nope, only you believe that Satan is the scapegoat. Hmm, Why do you sin?
> "Because Satan made me do it." Yup, he's your scapegoat. Jews have no
> such concept. You blame Satan for your sins putting them firmly at his
> feet. When a Jew "sins" it's because he/she made a bad choice with nobody
> else to blame but self. Oh and sin only means missing the mark.
You know, I had some conversations with non theistic Satanists ( a couple
years after some ars regulars explained to me that most Satanists are not,
in fact, theistic.) and evidently what they call "Satan" isn't what Xtians
call Satan.
Maybe it's the same with the people denouncing "Satan".
In the end, it becomes just a word.
> Those you are acquainted with, I noted you didn't say friends, likely
> don't converse with you regarding such topics since you clearly are
> bigoted against anyone that doesn't buy your brand of jesus.
>
> Again, where do those you are acquainted with and I go after our deaths
> since we are Jewish and do not accept Jesus/Joshua as anything but a man?
> Please don't evade this question about your "loving" God.
He's loving except when he sends people to hell...ah yes, gotta love that
ol' time religion...
>
>
> From the words of Hillel, "Love one another, the rest is all commentary."
> Oh and he *predates* someone else that the quote is attributed.
>
> Ramona
>
> PS Why do you post on a Scientology N.G? Are you a scientologist only
> trying to distract from the real issues? Because that IS the effect.
Lisa's a nice lady who's kind of conspiracy oriented. Since Scn'ists tend to
be conspiracy oriented and since a number of critics also have that same
perspective, we do get some conspiracy buffs here from time to time.
Caroline Letkemann was such a one. She had what some felt was a sterling
silver, if not golden, provenance- had paid her dues as a CofS member. But
the crazy assed tripe she used to write- symbolism and colors of this and
that- really bizarre stuff. And people actually emailed me and/or posted to
me practically begging me to read her stuff.
The only reason those same people don't push Lisa Ruby's stuff (since it
makes about as much sense as Caroline's) is because Lisa does not have the
same pedigree.
C
Ball of Fluff
I don't think he's written any satanic type lyrics in decades. Still doing
some shock rock, but like Alice Cooper, the devout Christian rocker, it's
for shock, it's for show.
C
Lisa Ruby
>Jesus Fucking Christ.
Why do you find it desirable to blaspheme Jesus Christ in order to do
your work as a Scientology critic?
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die. I am Jewish.
You are also an evolutionist. So, according to your belief system, such
a question should not be asked, much less answered.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Ramona
> Well, speaking as someone who was once well versed in Christian ideology and
> indoctrination, I believe the answer is that he didn't create "Satan" but he
> created "Lucifer", the angel.
Just another name for the same character.
Odd as it might sound, I was sent to Catholic school. I have a very
weird religious family history. We lived inner city and Catholic schools
were the best schools around. My parents were sure to teach me though
to not pray to Jesus but only to God. "Tell them what they want to hear
on tests though." But my favorite from my mother was, "Jesus wasn't
divinely born. Mary and Joseph just got caught." Someone dared to call
me a heretic when I mentioned that one. My response, "I come from a
long line of heretics."
>
> A Catholic and even many Protestants would tell you that God creates beings
> knowing what they may do down the line but that it's up to the being and
> that it's a matter of free will.
Ah, but here lies the problem, we aren't just talking any beings. If
God being all powerful and all knowing created Lucifer knowing what
would transpire He by creating Satan purposefully created all evil. God
could clearly have chosen NOT to create that character, not that I
believe in anything but personal choice as the source of evil. But God
didn't. God chose to create Satan and Evil.
<snip>
>>Nope, only you believe that Satan is the scapegoat. Hmm, Why do you sin?
>>"Because Satan made me do it." Yup, he's your scapegoat. Jews have no
>>such concept. You blame Satan for your sins putting them firmly at his
>>feet. When a Jew "sins" it's because he/she made a bad choice with nobody
>>else to blame but self. Oh and sin only means missing the mark.
>
>
>
> You know, I had some conversations with non theistic Satanists ( a couple
> years after some ars regulars explained to me that most Satanists are not,
> in fact, theistic.)
Yeah I tried saying that a large percentage were merely atheists, using
words that others find offensive, on this ng and was jumped on. It
wasn't worth the battle for me.
and evidently what they call "Satan" isn't what Xtians
> call Satan.
Yeah I'm familiar.
>
> Maybe it's the same with the people denouncing "Satan".
>
> In the end, it becomes just a word.
That's what is shocking to me, for the Ruby's of the word, it's as real
as the bowl you put your cereal in.
You make good choices and you celebrate your choices. You make bad
choices and blame satan for tempting you. Nope, I just don't "get" it.
>
>
>>Those you are acquainted with, I noted you didn't say friends, likely
>>don't converse with you regarding such topics since you clearly are
>>bigoted against anyone that doesn't buy your brand of jesus.
>>
>>Again, where do those you are acquainted with and I go after our deaths
>>since we are Jewish and do not accept Jesus/Joshua as anything but a man?
>>Please don't evade this question about your "loving" God.
>
>
> He's loving except when he sends people to hell...ah yes, gotta love that
> ol' time religion...
And thankfully I reject such a God. Perhaps mine is no more real than
the Easter Bunny, but I sure feel better looking at myself in the mirror
not damning someone to hell for failing to believe what I believe, or
failng to live up to my expectations.
If God is real, which is my belief, who am I to judge and even more who
am I to tell God how to judge if judgment is even necessary? Perhaps
God loves each and every one of us, despite ourselves. Perhaps God is
greater than we are and can spare love for even the Hitler's of the
world. Any "knowing" of God is purely anthromorphism on my part and not
worth the waste of time. God is going to be, regardless of what I want
Him/Her to be.
Ramona
>
>
>>
>>From the words of Hillel, "Love one another, the rest is all commentary."
>>Oh and he *predates* someone else that the quote is attributed.
>>
>>Ramona
>>
>>PS Why do you post on a Scientology N.G? Are you a scientologist only
>>trying to distract from the real issues? Because that IS the effect.
>
>
> Lisa's a nice lady who's kind of conspiracy oriented.
KIND OF? And we are both soft spoken and docile.
Since Scn'ists tend to
> be conspiracy oriented and since a number of critics also have that same
> perspective, we do get some conspiracy buffs here from time to time.
>
> Caroline Letkemann was such a one. She had what some felt was a sterling
> silver, if not golden, provenance- had paid her dues as a CofS member. But
> the crazy assed tripe she used to write- symbolism and colors of this and
> that- really bizarre stuff. And people actually emailed me and/or posted to
> me practically begging me to read her stuff.
>
> The only reason those same people don't push Lisa Ruby's stuff (since it
> makes about as much sense as Caroline's) is because Lisa does not have the
> same pedigree.
I just love messing with the hypocritical nature of her wording.
R
>
> C
>
>
Ramona
> Fredric L. Rice wrote:
>
>
>>Jesus Fucking Christ.
>
>
> Why do you find it desirable to blaspheme Jesus Christ in order to do
> your work as a Scientology critic?
>
Why is it necessary for you to talk about Jesus at all on a Scientology
forum?
Ramona
Ramona
> Ramona wrote:
>
>
>>Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die. I am Jewish.
You evaded the answer again.
>
>
> You are also an evolutionist.
So, according to your belief system, such
> a question should not be asked, much less answered.
They are NOT mutually exclusive.
Ramona
Lisa Ruby
Gary wrote:
> Ozzie is a Silver Star card member--which most of the rock groups
are.
> I was a member of Silver Star over thirty years ago.
Is means present tense, and was means past tense, Ramona.
Gary was enslaved to Satan due to his family line and by choice but he
(over 20 years ago) renounced the powers of darkness and has been
translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son. (See: Colossians 1:13)
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Ramona
>>Now again Ruby, where do I go after I die. I am Jewish.
>
>
> You are also an evolutionist.
I believe that God continues to be involved in the world, therefore OF
COURSE, evolution (with God as alnighty scientist) exists. To suggest
evolution does not take place suggests that God died on his/her day off,
that would be the 7th day if you are an adventist and the 1st/8th day
if you are Christian (SUNday.)
My God is also CLEARLY older than your God, since my God started working
billions of years before yours and still seems gainfully employed. Ah
but you wish to deny God's application in current life. Take a look at
the resistance of bacteria to antibiotics....evolution. Now take a look
at the resistance of bugs to pesticides....evolution. That would be my
proof of God in action, even if you deny such.
R
Ramona
>
>
> Is means present tense, and was means past tense, Ramona.
Ah so your husband can change his belief system, but you afford Ozzie no
such benefit. Hypocrite!!
Ramona
Lisa Ruby
>Why is it necessary for you to talk about Jesus at all >on a Scientology forum?
I am glad you asked that question. If you will look at my posts from
months ago you will hardly be able to find a post that contain
references to Jesus Christ. My posts, which were largely ignored in
the beginning in the hopes that I would "go away," expose Scientology
as being a major player in the New World Order network. Talking about
this obvious fact is not allowed on ARS, so a plan had to be devised to
attempt to discredit me and anyone who agreed with me.
After certain posters failed to adequately counter my posts about
Hubbard's NWO agenda, they decided to make my Christian faith the
issue.
Since they could not counter the posts, even with the help of various
propaganda techniques (name calling, etc.) they finally had to go to
the source of the posts: me...a woman who is a follower of the Lord
Jesus Christ.
Also, another reason for the abject hatred of the person of the Lord
Jesus Christ on this news group is because He is the only one who has
the power to help Scientologists get free of all the demonic curses
they have received while being audited and going through the various
Scientology Training Routines.
The Lord Jesus Christ is not an implant and the CoS is all too aware of
that fact.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Ah so your husband can change his belief system, but you afford Ozzie no
>such benefit. Hypocrite!!
When belief systems change, lives change.
A tree is known by his fruit. Ozzy's fruit has not changed.
Ramona
>
>>Why is it necessary for you to talk about Jesus at all >on a Scientology forum?
>
>
> I am glad you asked that question. If you will look at my posts from
> months ago you will hardly be able to find a post that contain
> references to Jesus Christ.
Flunk, Oddly enough you were considered a fundie by those posting, in April.
My posts, which were largely ignored in
> the beginning in the hopes that I would "go away," expose Scientology
> as being a major player in the New World Order network.
Flunk, NWO is as real as Barbara's remote controlled bees.
Talking about
> this obvious fact is not allowed on ARS,
Flunk, you may talk about almost anything regarding CO$, but it does
makes you look insane.
so a plan had to be devised to
> attempt to discredit me and anyone who agreed with me.
Flunk, You write and you discredit yourself.
<snip for nonsensical ranting?
> Also, another reason for the abject hatred of the person of the Lord
> Jesus Christ on this news group is because He is the only one who has
> the power to help Scientologists get free of all the demonic curses
Lisa Ruby, Still giving power to Satan, her scapegoat.
> they have received while being audited and going through the various
> Scientology Training Routines.
Flunk, Those wouldn't be demonic curses that they are given, but
Hubbardian training. While you may want it to be, it's not all about
Satan. People are choosing Scientology because it fits them where
Christianity failed for them.
Claire while not CO$ clearly is healthy and happy within her philosophy
of scientology. While she is critical of CO$, she still adheres to
scientology because it fulfills her in a way that other religions can
not or do not. Does her philosophy damn me to eternal torture for
rejecting her belief system? While I am not postive, I would
comfortably guess not. Can you say the same?
>
> The Lord Jesus Christ is not an implant and the CoS is all too aware of
> that fact.
Flunk, it's a teaching of CO$ so THEY clearly DO consider Jesus an
implant, just as they consider the Torah through Moshe an implant.
Ramona
Ramona
You really need to get a life. Just because you look at a website means
nothing about the actual person Ozzie. I didn't waste any time looking
because he is a freaking musician for young angsters.
First, You DO NOT KNOW Ozzie personally, so you cannot KNOW his real
persona. You assume that the *character* he *portrays* is his true self.
Second, it's not your business to judge especially since you married a
man that did more than just played a character instead he actually
worshipped your bogeyman in the closet. While your hubby may have
worshipped Satan, differently than you, it is dubious at best to suggest
Ozzie actually took it seriously.
Third, pull out the plank in your own eye it may be so time consuming
that you have no time to concern yourself with the speck in Ozzie's,
again noting that you don't know him anyway.
R
Ball of Fluff
No, they're not. You're right.
As a Catholic, I believed in the theory of evolution- or should I say
"theories" of evolution since the thoughts and research has changed over the
years.
"Intelligent design" is believed in by many Christians and it allows for the
evolution of man and other beings.
C
Ball of Fluff
"Kim Palmer" <yduzit...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:4310e318$1...@news2.lightlink.com...
Good post!
C
Lisa Ruby
>Flunk, Oddly enough you were considered a fundie by those posting, in >April.
I've been posting since October, 2004. And yes, the damage control
effort on ARS began in earnest after Terri Schiavo's forced dehydration
killing, which was completed on March 31, 2005.
Ramona wrote:
>Flunk, Those wouldn't be demonic curses that they are given, but
>Hubbardian training.
People receive curses via such "Hubbardian training" which is training
in satanic methodology.
Ramona wrote:
>Flunk, You write and you discredit yourself.
If I have discredited myself, Scientologists posing as critics on ARS
would not spend so much time trying to do so.
Ramona wrote:
>While you may want it to be, it's not all about Satan.
It is so true that "a house divided against itself will not stand."
>People are choosing Scientology because it fits them where
>Christianity failed for them.
How does Scientology fit or accomodate people, Ramona?
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Flunk, it's a teaching of CO$ so THEY clearly DO consider Jesus an
>implant, just as they consider the Torah through Moshe an implant.
Yes, it is a teaching of CoS but the CoS high-levels know all too well
of the reality of the Lord Jesus Christ--and of HIs power to protect
His followers.
That is why they cannot stand for Him to be mentioned on this forum
except when used in expressions of contempt or blasphemy.
The CoS does not want people to get out of Scientology, but if they
cannot prevent this, they do their level best to make sure their
ex-members don't flee into the arms of their enemy--the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>First, You DO NOT KNOW Ozzie personally, so you cannot KNOW his >real persona.
Does that mean that those who never knew Hubbard personally cannot know
his true persona?
By their fruits you wlll know them.
Barefaced Messiah
http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfmconte.htm
Lisa Ruby
>I don't think he's written any satanic type lyrics in decades. Still doing
>some shock rock, but like Alice Cooper, the devout Christian rocker, it's
>for shock, it's for show.
Alice Cooper is not obeying the Bible admonition to "Abstain from all
appearance of evil." ( 1 Thess. 5:22)
Instead, he is profitting by the "show" of evil.
Lisa Ruby
>Clearly. You give CO$ evidence to continue with your judgemental and
>hateful Gods as alternative. I think I might have to chose CO$ in that
>case.
According to your post, Scientology is preferable to the God of the
Bible.
I am sorry to hear that. The God of the Bible discriminates between
what is holy and what is evil and His real followers do the same.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Ball of Fluff
> Ball of Fluff wrote:
>
>>I don't think he's written any satanic type lyrics in decades. Still doing
>>some shock rock, but like Alice Cooper, the devout Christian rocker, it's
>>for shock, it's for show.
>
> Alice Cooper is not obeying the Bible admonition to "Abstain from all
> appearance of evil." ( 1 Thess. 5:22)
Then all actors would be damned. Everyone who'd ever played a bad guy.
>
> Instead, he is profitting by the "show" of evil.
>
Alice Cooper is an intellectual, decent Christian family man.
C
Ball of Fluff
> Ramona wrote:
>
>>Flunk, it's a teaching of CO$ so THEY clearly DO consider Jesus an
>>implant, just as they consider the Torah through Moshe an implant.
They don't consider Yeshua ben Yusef to be an implant. It's more that the
murdered god thing keeps popping up in culture after culture and ~that~ is
thought to be the implant.
>
> Yes, it is a teaching of CoS but the CoS high-levels know all too well
> of the reality of the Lord Jesus Christ--and of HIs power to protect
> His followers.
>
> That is why they cannot stand for Him to be mentioned on this forum
> except when used in expressions of contempt or blasphemy.
>
> The CoS does not want people to get out of Scientology,
Well, CofS doesn't want people to get out of CofS. They get pissed as hell
whenever anyone elects to pursue it on their own and, in truth, even within
the confines of CofS, DM's administration has done everything they can to
limit auditing.
> but if they
> cannot prevent this, they do their level best to make sure their
> ex-members don't flee into the arms of their enemy--the Lord Jesus
> Christ.
There are lots of non Christian religions out there. Scn is one of them.
C