Fred Durks and Scientology misinformation
barb
scientomogy.com website. He is just making this shit up as he goes
along. There is no need to fabricate lies about the cult, yet here we go:
"Tom Cruise and an estimated 8 to 15 million people* belong to this cult."
No. They do not. If "Fred" had done his homework, he would know that
Scientology has never had that many members. It's estimated to be around
40-80,000 people, based on cult publications.
"It is rumored that the highest level in Scientology, OT level 8,
informs you that L. Ron Hubbard is your god. The most interesting part
of OT8 is that it gives you the ability to kill people with your mind."
Yeah. "It is rumored." What orifice did you pull this piece of
misinformation out of, Fred?
The whole format of these sites is beyond cheesy. Anyone looking at them
will be turned off by the spammer-type lurid prose, WITH LOTS OF BOLD
AND CAPS, banners, etc. Geez, the things look like they were designed by
Homer Simpson.
The material on Horner/Durks sites is not the result of solid research.
Apparently, he's just making a lot of it up. For a "web designer," his
stuff is pretty hard on the eyes, clashing colors, images, takes forever
to load, but I would not want people to take these sites seriously. They
are full of misinformation. It's better to stick with the classics.
The problem is, Horner/Durks has little relationship with the truth.
Take, for example, his assertion that OSA framed him, drugged him, got
him fired.
Then look at the actual documents from the Mesa PD, which were acquired
by a critic with little tolerance for falsehood.
http://buttersquash.net/archives/horner-police-report.pdf
Who is lying? Durks/Horner, or the police department?
So, when he claims he gets "thousands of hits" and tries to position
himself as the ARS Youth Brigade, have a pillar of salt handy.
Well, I suppose it was inevitable that, at some point, ARS would attract
such parasites. It's a pity that some people believe in him, but
hey...people believe in Ron, too.
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
Fred Durks
scientologist believe, it must have gotten deleted in an update of the
site.
I was trying to be cool with you Barb..... that's obviously not going
to happen. No clue why you're attacking me now. But whatever........
Lisa Ruby
>"It is rumored that the highest level in Scientology, OT level 8,
>informs you that L. Ron Hubbard is your god. The most interesting part
>of OT8 is that it gives you the ability to kill people with your mind."
barb wrote:
>Yeah. "It is rumored." What orifice did you pull this piece of
>misinformation out of, Fred?
Barb, are you denying that "kill with a thought" is a Scientology
doctrine?
Lisa Ruby
http://libertytothecaptives.net/felos_scientology_ot_viii_kill_with_a_thought.html
wbarwell
> Fred Durks wrote:
>
>>"It is rumored that the highest level in Scientology, OT level 8,
>>informs you that L. Ron Hubbard is your god. The most interesting
>>part of OT8 is that it gives you the ability to kill people with
>>your mind."
>
> barb wrote:
>
>>Yeah. "It is rumored." What orifice did you pull this piece of
>>misinformation out of, Fred?
>
> Barb, are you denying that "kill with a thought" is a Scientology
> doctrine?
>
From: jo...@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Patrick Jost)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: My Scientology story...and why I became a "Knight of Xenu"
Date: 17 Mar 1995 17:26:57 GMT
Scientology: My Story
by Patrick Jost
This is my "insider's account" of the time I spent in Scientology. I
wrote it because it has been suggested that since I have had no
formal training (not true!) that I should not comment on it.
Background: My father was in advertising, and had HEAVY "show
business"
connections. I dabbled in the music business when I was doing some
graduate work at UCLA. A "celebrity" friend of the family had
mentioned
Scientology to me several times; I had never been interested in the
talk of engrams and so on, but I WAS interested in claims of increased
intelligence and so on. I read the "standard" bio of Hubbard, and
decided someone with that background might actually have some
useful ideas.
As a result, I was "sponsored" (which means I didn't pay for it) for
some courses and auditing at the Los Angeles Celebrity Centre.
Initially, I found it all very strange and very interesting. I was
very popular with the instructors, as I could do "Dear Alice" and
some of the other procedures in several foreign languages (I'm
a linguist by training and profession).
I was declared a "natural clear" and people started to talk to me
about a possible "position" in the Guardian's (or is it just
Guardian?)
Office. To "qualify" for this position, I was given what can best
be described (and I'm fudging this a little to avoid any legal
hassles) as a "crash course" covering New Era Dianetics through
OTIII. I did some solo work, but most of it was with a "tutor"
who, I determined later, was also gently probing me on various
things to determine my suitability for the GO and probably the
Sea Org.
Well, I kept "advancing" but nothing happened. I mentioned this
several times, and was told that by the time I made OT, that
I'd have an IQ of 200 (whatever that means!), perfect recall,
and so on. Yes, on occasion I "believed" I was getting some
results, but would always decide that I wasn't. I was also
hearing stories of "powers" but when I asked for details
or demonstrations ("you can fly!?" "show me!") they
remained stories.
OTIII and events surrounding it were just too much for me. Most
readers of this group will know that OTIII describes events
in the distant past involving alien beings, space travel,
exploding volcanos and so on. I started to object to this
on scientific grounds. I also have a good background in
archaeology, and was asking some VERY pointed questions
about geology, biology, linguistics, and so on.
Initially, I was told that I needed more processing, that
I had some implants that prevented me from "accepting"
the truth; I'd have to do this before my "capabilities"
were "released" or some such thing.
At about this point, my "sponsor" started to hint that
it was time for me to start to pay for my own auditing;
it seems that my "complaining" was reaching some of the
higher levels and someone who had initially been perceived
as a hot recruit was not working out.
I found out the cost; I didn't have that sort of money,
so I approached my father. We had a long talk...he said,
"Let's investigate...what do you know about this man
Hubbard?" I showed him the bio, and he found it incredible;
he (my father) served with distinction in the Pacific, and
just did not accept it. We got copies of Navy records, and
sure enough, no command of a corvette squadron, no long
list of citations, no mention of serious injuries.
The next step was a PI, who checked with George Washington
University and Princeton. Hubbard flunked out of GWU (or
dropped out...) and never attended Princeton. We found
a reference to a Ph.D. from Sequoia University, which was
a degree mill.
I then allowed an electrical engineer to open my E-Meter and
take a look. He explained the Wheatstone Bridge circuit to me,
and I accepted that there is no correlation between resistance
and "mental mass" (whatever that means).
I returned to the Celebrity Centre and had a long talk with
my course supervisor. I told her that I had seen no results...
not personally, not with anyone else. I told her that I now
had serious doubts about Hubbard's background as well as
the effectiveness of the E-Meter. I also repeated my list
of questions about OTIII.
She told me (quite sternly) that I should not investigate
Scientology. She told me that a "high level OT" could
wipe me out with a thought, and that the Church did not
tolerate "snooping around" and the like.
She said that I needed to do "an ethics course" and that
it would not cost me anything. She said that if I didn't
do the course, that I'd be declared an SP and kicked out
of Scientology.
OK, off to ethics. My first encounter was with the "Director
of Communications" of the Celebrity Centre, who also seemed
to be the receptionist. She told me that she had gained the
ability to speak fluent Spanish through auditing. Well,
let me tell you, she could not speak fluent Spanish, in
fact, apart from a few expressions, she knew nothing about
Spanish. She told me that such accusations were "going
to get me into trouble" with the Ethics Officer, who was
a "powerful" person.
Finally...into the inner sanctum of the ethics officer. The
guy was a little runt who wore glasses, squinted and chain
smoked. He told me that I had to stop asking questions, stop
investigating, stop challenging people's claims of abilities,
and so on. He wanted me to sign some forms. I refused. He
produced some paperwork, and said that he'd process me for
"declaration". I said I didn't care. He then told me that
he'd "take care of me" if I kept asking questions. I asked
him what that meant. He said that he would certainly hurt
me, maybe kill me "with his OT powers" if I did not comply
with his demands.
At this point, I had a "cognition": Scientology is RUBBISH. I
told him about my cognition, wished him well, and got up
to leave. He said "you'll never get home...I'll stop you!".
I walked out, he followed me, making all sorts of threats.
I got to my car, and got out my key. He grabbed me. I turned
around, he hit me (not very hard). I said "try that again,
and you'd better be Superman". He did, I blocked it, and
hit him myself. He picked up a board and swung it at me;
I knocked it out of his hands, and hit him a few times
until he fell down.
This altercation had attracted some attention, and someone
had called the police. Within (it seemed) minutes, the parking
lot was full of Scientologists, and two police cars and an had
ambulance had arrived.
I told my version of the story. The EO said I was "a troublemaker
who needed to learn some manners". The police asked if I wanted
to press charges. I said no, I just need to get home. The EO
was taken to the hospital for stitches-he cut his face on
the pavement when he fell (I didn't mean to hurt him, but
hey...a board?!).
A few nights later, I had dinner with my "sposor"; I didn't
know it when I set up the dinner, but two "representatives"
from the CoS came along as well.
My sponsor didn't get to say more than "hello"; the two
CoS reps told me that I had betrayed my sponsor, the
Church, Hubbard, my fellow Scientologists, and
that I was a criminal. They said I had committed a
"high crime" by attacking the Ethics Officer.
I was told that the ONLY way "out" was to sign up for
the Sea Org-then and there-and promise to pay not only
for all of the services I had received, but for what
I gathered was about two years of additional training
and auditing.
I said that I was not going to join the Sea Org, not
pay them anything, and not stop asking questions. One
of them said "you know, I could kill you right now...
with a thought". I said "well, you know, I've been asking
for demonstrations for a while now, why don't you just
do it and get it over with?"
The reply was something like "don't worry, we'll get
you when we have to".
I said "let me give you some incentive" and poured
a glass of water down the front of her blouse. I
got up and left the restaurant. Yes, I know it was
rude, but I did-and still do-want to see a demonstration
of all these powers that I've heard about and been
threatened with. I figured a little ice water ought
to provoke even an operating thetan into action...
And, surprisingly, that's about it. I got an
"invoice" from them about two months later,
which I ignored.
So let's look at what happened...I got no results
at all, that's important. If "the tech always works"
then something's wrong here. I asked questions, and
was accused of heresy (let's not get into the
results of my research, but I will say that I think
that CoS "history" is a bunch of lies). I was
not only threatened, but attacked.
To me, false claims, no results, and attacks are
not a good combination. The actions of the Church
of Scientology are what has set me against it.
I welcome any and all comments...
Patrick Jost
--
Happy Hogmanay!
Cheerful Charlie
Eldonbraun
> There are any number of inaccuracies and sheer confabulations on Durk's
> scientomogy.com website. He is just making this shit up as he goes
> along. There is no need to fabricate lies about the cult, yet here we go:
>
> "Tom Cruise and an estimated 8 to 15 million people* belong to this cult."
> No. They do not. If "Fred" had done his homework, he would know that
> Scientology has never had that many members. It's estimated to be around
> 40-80,000 people, based on cult publications.
Yes, this is ridiculous even if there is a footnote. Should read, "Tom
Cruise belongs to this cult, which claims 8 to 15 million members.
Actual current membership is estimated at 40,000 to 80,000 worldwide."
>
> "It is rumored that the highest level in Scientology, OT level 8,
> informs you that L. Ron Hubbard is your god. The most interesting part
> of OT8 is that it gives you the ability to kill people with your mind."
The rumor is that OT VIII informs you L. Ron Hubbard is the antichrist,
which I think is more interesting than "your god."
barb
> Fred Durks wrote:
>
>
>>"It is rumored that the highest level in Scientology, OT level 8,
>>informs you that L. Ron Hubbard is your god. The most interesting part
>>of OT8 is that it gives you the ability to kill people with your mind."
>
>
> barb wrote:
>
>
>>Yeah. "It is rumored." What orifice did you pull this piece of
>>misinformation out of, Fred?
>
>
> Barb, are you denying that "kill with a thought" is a Scientology
> doctrine?
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
> http://libertytothecaptives.net/felos_scientology_ot_viii_kill_with_a_thought.html
>
>
Lisa Ruby
What do you mean by 'doctrine?'
Teaching.
Scientology Wally Pope referred to it as a doctrine, and of
course he did not like this doctrine to be brought up in court. It does
not make Scientology look good so it makes sense that he would
not want it to be brought up; he said it is not relevant.
http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/LMTinjunction/transcript9.html
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
barb
They don't "teach" how to kill with a thought. There's no TR for killing
with a thought. And OTVIII definately doesn't include "you will learn to
kill with a thought at this level."
There's enough goofy crap in Scientology to use without making up
bullshit about it and spreading idiotic inaccuracies.
When OTs do try to fry you with their minds, all that happens is they
squint and look constipated. When someone like Abelson gets looking that
way, you want to edge away in case of overflow. The guy's got hella
intestinal volume. I would not care to be around him when someone makes
the Brown Noise!
Fred Durks
You can see my changes on http://www.stopscientology.com
Lisa Ruby
>They don't "teach" how to kill with a thought. There's no TR for killing
>with a thought. And OTVIII definately doesn't include "you will learn to
>kill with a thought at this level."
>There's enough goofy crap in Scientology to use without making up
>bullshit about it and spreading idiotic inaccuracies.
I do understand your continual need to damage control what Scientology
teaches about OT phenomenon.
OT
Operating Thetan. A thetan is the Scientology equivalent of the
soul, reincarnated time and time again. Once one has passed the state
of Clear, one can progress through the OT levels, gaining more and more
powers, eventually being able to control MEST (Matter, Energy, Space
and Time) itself. An OT VIII (the highest OT level released so far) can
purportedly kill with a thought.
Lisa Ruby
with a thought.
Arnie Lerma wrote:
In his book, Introduction to Scientology Ethics ,(2) Hubbard lists on
page 56 as a high crime "The disintegration of persons or belongings" -
if this doesn. t IMPLY incredible mental super power.. I don. t know
what does. I mean imagine having to control that much ability, imagine
being able to kill with a thought!.
barb
> barb wrote:
>
>
>>They don't "teach" how to kill with a thought. There's no TR for killing
>>with a thought. And OTVIII definately doesn't include "you will learn to
>>kill with a thought at this level."
>
>
>>There's enough goofy crap in Scientology to use without making up
>>bullshit about it and spreading idiotic inaccuracies.
>
>
> I do understand your continual need to damage control what Scientology
> teaches about OT phenomenon.
>
> OT
If there were such things as OTs, we wouldn't be here. There is no such
thing as OT powerzz, but you seem to live on the slippery edge of
reality, so believe what you want. There's no 'damage control.' The only
damage is to gullible twits who believe this shit.
>
> Operating Thetan. A thetan is the Scientology equivalent of the
> soul, reincarnated time and time again. Once one has passed the state
> of Clear, one can progress through the OT levels, gaining more and more
> powers, eventually being able to control MEST (Matter, Energy, Space
> and Time) itself. An OT VIII (the highest OT level released so far) can
> purportedly kill with a thought.
>
> http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/scijarg.html#ot
>
barb
It is certainly referred to, but they don't TEACH a course in "How to
Fry Your Enemies With A Thought." If they did, it would be one of the
more well-known goofy things like the Xenu story. Get it now?
Kim Palmer
> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>
>> Hubbard's writings communicated to Arnie Lerma the concept of killing
>> with a thought.
>>
>> Arnie Lerma wrote:
>>
>> In his book, Introduction to Scientology Ethics ,(2) Hubbard lists on
>> page 56 as a high crime "The disintegration of persons or belongings" -
>> if this doesn. t IMPLY incredible mental super power.. I don. t know
>> what does. I mean imagine having to control that much ability, imagine
>> being able to kill with a thought!.
>>
>> http://www.lermanet.com/exit/FINAL2.htm
>>
> It is certainly referred to, but they don't TEACH a course in "How to
> Fry Your Enemies With A Thought." If they did, it would be one of the
> more well-known goofy things like the Xenu story. Get it now?
>
no she will never get it - she is as trapped in her delusional world
of global conspiracies as schwarznutzie is trapped in her delusions of
submarine villages,hubbard as a father etc. Lisa only sees what fits
with her narrow little world view and anything that contradicts what she
KNOWS to be the truth is of the devil and evil etc etc. Poor thing must
lead a fear filled life or run into a lot of things thanks to her blinders.
Kim P
Eldonbraun
> Eldonbraun- I agree with what you wrote.
site, Paul. Isn't it nice that websites are so much easier to tidy up
than thousands of copies of printed material you've already
distributed. That can be a pain in terms of logistics. Errata sheets
are embarrassing too.
This is why real publishers -- even of credible websites -- try to get
things pretty much correct before they put things out there in print.
You really do need to work on your credibility. I sincerely suggest a
competent psychotherapist. I'll bet I'm not the first person who
suggested that. One of these days, you're going to get past your
adolescent mental years, so you might as well start working on it.
wbarwell
> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>
>> barb wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by 'doctrine?'
>>
>> Teaching.
>>
>> Scientology Wally Pope referred to it as a doctrine, and of
>> course he did not like this doctrine to be brought up in court. It
>> does not make Scientology look good so it makes sense that he would
>> not want it to be brought up; he said it is not relevant.
>>
>> http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/LMTinjunction/transcript9.html
>>
>>
>> Lisa Ruby
>> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>>
> They don't "teach" how to kill with a thought. There's no TR for
> killing with a thought. And OTVIII definately doesn't include "you
> will learn to kill with a thought at this level."
>
> There's enough goofy crap in Scientology to use without making up
> bullshit about it and spreading idiotic inaccuracies.
>
> When OTs do try to fry you with their minds, all that happens is
> they squint and look constipated. When someone like Abelson gets
> looking that way, you want to edge away in case of overflow. The
> guy's got hella intestinal volume. I would not care to be around him
> when someone makes the Brown Noise!
>
THE ANATOMY OF CAUSE (16th ACC) - PART 08 OF 31
POSTULATES OF ACTION-REACTION
A lecture given on 11 January 1957
....
That is the frame of mind -- that exact frame of mind is the
unknowing frame of mind of every preclear you have difficulty
with. He's waiting for you to make the wall postulate. He's
waiting for you to kick him out.
Therefore, you can always boot somebody out of his head if you
insist on it. You got that? But you actually have to practically
knock him over between the ears in some cases. You see, you
practically have to take a club to him in some cases. But the
funny part of it is, you could. You actually could.
You could walk up to a person who was under ether and you could
say, "Get out of your head. Go to Arcturus. Don't ever come
back." He'd die right there on the operating table.
That is the basic mechanism which is used in this universe when
exteriorization is employed politically -- in any way. That is
attention and then boot him out. In other words, they substitute
for the second postulate, boot him out and send him on his way.
And the fellow has no choice but to go. He is therefore and
thereon and thereafter under orders from that particular source.
Do you know that you can call back, to any dead body, the thetan
departed from it? This is something fascinating. And there's many
a Scientologist here and there around the world -- but much more
so in Europe and North Africa than here -- who has just stood a
small community, you see, right on its ear with this particular
one.
A guy is hit in the street accident, he's lying there, he's not
breathing. The doctor says, "Cover him up." The Scientologist
says to the guy, "What the hell's the matter with you! Pick that
mock-up up!"
See? Get the idea? The fellow says, "Oh, wait a minute. I don't
have permission to depart."
He thought the body had said, "You can leave." The blow was
orders to leave. And so he died. That's why people die.
That's why one person with the same injuries will linger on for
years, and another person with the same injury will die
instantly. It's the idea each one of them has, different gradient
of the idea, that they have had permission to leave. Something
else has made the postulate they can go.
.............
Fred Durks
graphics and text, so that makes it hard to be gramatically or
factually correct all time. If you ever see any problems I would
appreciate an email and I'll fix the problem. Of course, it looks bad
if any of my sites are not %100 correct. I understand that.
As for the psychotherapist. I took your advice.
Yesterday I took this really cool online personality test. Then, today
this guy called me today saying he could cure all my problems for a
nominal fee. I told him, that sounds like a pretty fair deal. So, I'm
meeting up with him on Tuesday for our first session. I'm excited to
get past my adolescent mental years.....
Michael Greenberg
If I were you I would focus on your real interest which is comedy which
you have somewhat of a knack for albeit it's essentially Howard Stern
Potty humor. Call it what it is.
But as far as becoming a serious critic-thats not going to happen any
time soon.
This is a educated sophisticated adult movement largely, most who have
5-30 years experience.
You have no idea how many people you have offended on a number of
levels.
Be respectful and keep your mouth shut-listen- ask questions-research
before publishing. Usenet is forgiving and you will get a modicum of
respect eventually after you become brutally honest and apologize for
Lying about the DUI affair.
Most people could care less if you have a substance abuse problem or
not. I just want you off the road. If you won't come clean about SCN
having nothing to with your DUI-then you should get lost. I call you a
kid because you are a very young 27.
OC has become a loony bin lately and a few of them will let you float
any bullshit you want over there.
When I see you insult important and respected people (I'll use
Cerridwen as one example) it makes me sick.
You better start researching who the hell you are talking to....
Michael
Muldoon
Why not wait till the court system decides?
Fredric L. Rice
>There are any number of inaccuracies and sheer
>confabulations on Durk's scientomogy.com website.
Isn't it supposed to be scientomogy.INFO and not .COM?
When I load that .COM web site, I get an error:
http://msnbc.msn.com/js/video-tease.js is not found.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
"What? You're not dead yet? Man, I gotta get a bigger voodoo doll!" - Barb
Fredric L. Rice
>scientomogy.com website
By the way, maybe just email Fred with some suggested corrections?
If I could bring the frocking thing up, I might do that though my
"corrections" would probably also contain some factual mistakes.
Fredric L. Rice
>Lisa Ruby wrote:
>> Teaching.
>> Scientology Wally Pope referred to it as a doctrine, and of
>> course he did not like this doctrine to be brought up in court. It does
>> not make Scientology look good so it makes sense that he would
>> not want it to be brought up; he said it is not relevant.
>> http://lisatrust.bogie.nl/legal/LMTinjunction/transcript9.html
>with a thought. And OTVIII definately doesn't include "you will learn to
>kill with a thought at this level."
Of course I don't believe we've seen a verified copy of OT8 despite
the fact that a crime syndicate criminal claimed the LermaNet OT8
was some how copyrighted and owned by the crime syndicate.
Hubbard's notion that Scientology customers could "kill with a thought"
was part of his profound mental problems and and artifact of his many
neutoric insanities. He wished desperately that he could kill his
perceived, imagined enemies from a distance and get away with it using
only OTO magic.
While an abject absurdity, imagine what would have happened if the
insane madman actually been able to kill with a thought. He'd have
exceeded Stalin's body count ten times over.
Fredric L. Rice
Actually one of the equally insane notions that's in the same class
as "kill with a thought" is the notion of levitating ashtrays --
except that they really do it (with a lot of help from their hands.)
Tigger
Michael Greenberg wrote:
> Eldonbraun wrote:
> > Fred Durks wrote:
> > > Eldonbraun- I agree with what you wrote.
> > Thank you for making things more accurate and comprehensible on your
> > site, Paul. Isn't it nice that websites are so much easier to tidy up
> > than thousands of copies of printed material you've already
> > distributed. That can be a pain in terms of logistics. Errata sheets
> > are embarrassing too.
> >
> > This is why real publishers -- even of credible websites -- try to get
> > things pretty much correct before they put things out there in print.
> >
> > You really do need to work on your credibility. I sincerely suggest a
> > competent psychotherapist. I'll bet I'm not the first person who
> > suggested that. One of these days, you're going to get past your
> > adolescent mental years, so you might as well start working on it.
> > >
> > > You can see my changes on http://www.stopscientology.com
>
>
>
> If I were you I would focus on your real interest which is comedy which
> you have somewhat of a knack for albeit it's essentially Howard Stern
> Potty humor. Call it what it is.
> But as far as becoming a serious critic-thats not going to happen any
> time soon.
LOL....look who's talking! Ultramike, the "I Love Bernie" guy.
Ahem, UMike, are you talking to Paul?
> This is a educated sophisticated adult movement largely, most who have
> 5-30 years experience.
Educated? Sophisticated? Adult? You've got to be kidding.
>
> You have no idea how many people you have offended on a number of
> levels.
HO HO HO.....And you and barb haven't?
> Be respectful and keep your mouth shut-listen- ask questions-research
> before publishing. Usenet is forgiving and you will get a modicum of
> respect eventually after you become brutally honest and apologize for
> Lying about the DUI affair.
You should take your own advice. Apparently you haven't been listening
before you opened your mouth. Paul is the ONE and practically the ONLY
one who (in spite of being cussed out up one side and down the other,
told to see a shrink and having barb start numerous childish,
unsophisticated, hateful attacks on him) has been respectful.
He says he isn't lying....that he doesn't remember what happened. So
why should he apologize for "lying"?
You siad you weren't sexually harassing an underaged girl. Others said
you were. Did you ever apologize for "lying"? See.....if it's sauce
for him, it's also sauce for you and lots of other "critics".
>
> Most people could care less if you have a substance abuse problem or
> not. I just want you off the road. If you won't come clean about SCN
> having nothing to with your DUI-then you should get lost. I call you a
> kid because you are a very young 27.
> OC has become a loony bin lately and a few of them will let you float
> any bullshit you want over there.
VS all the bullshit that gets spread here?
> > When I see you insult important and respected people (I'll use
> Cerridwen as one example) it makes me sick.
But it's o.k. for Cerridwen, barb, etc. to insult him....huh? What
goes around, comes around. And that came around some time ago.
> You better start researching who the hell you are talking to....
Hey, just because some people have been critics for a certain number of
years....what did you say 5-30? which I suppose includes you.....
doesn't mean they deserve respect, especially when they have been
disrespectful for 5-30 years.
The last few days Paul has been extremely respectful in the face of
numerous unwarranted,
ad hominem attacks.
a.r.s. is no different than OCMB.....a certain group of "critics" think
they own the place.
What's sick are the hypocrites with bloated egos:
May they get well soon.
http://www.kingcards.com/htdocs/occasion/getwell/alien.htm
Tigger
>
>
> Michael
barb
Decides what? that he's a disrespectful jerk? The DUI thing really isn't
the main issue here, although it's certainly relevant, considering he's
trying to blame the cult for the situation.
It's the rest of Durk's Big Picture I strenuously object to. He's a
creep, a cretin, a liar. Not someone I would trust to watch my back, for
sure. I hesitate to put up any more graphics, for fear that the little
shit will link to them without my permission, or worse, take credit for
them.
Nope, I don't want to associate with anyone I do not trust, and I
definately do not trust Durks/Horner.
barb
> barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>There are any number of inaccuracies and sheer
>>confabulations on Durk's scientomogy.com website.
>
>
> Isn't it supposed to be scientomogy.INFO and not .COM?
Scientomogy.info is Glen Stollery's website. Durks stole the name in an
attempt to get hits, and domained the .COM
Nice guy. Glen's still the one getting the major hits, not Fred Durks.
But him doing that should show what kind of a person he is.
Fucking parasite, is what.
>
> When I load that .COM web site, I get an error:
> http://msnbc.msn.com/js/video-tease.js is not found.
>
> ---
> http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
> "SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
> "What? You're not dead yet? Man, I gotta get a bigger voodoo doll!" - Barb
>
barb
Ah, but if he could do it, we could figure out how to do it as well.
There'd be no overpopulation problem, that's for sure! ;)
barb
Well, with a few exceptions such as yourself.
>
>>You have no idea how many people you have offended on a number of
>>levels.
>
>
> HO HO HO.....And you and barb haven't?
Is there anyone here who hasn't offended somebody at some point?
I don't think so, ho.
>
>
>>Be respectful and keep your mouth shut-listen- ask questions-research
>>before publishing. Usenet is forgiving and you will get a modicum of
>>respect eventually after you become brutally honest and apologize for
>>Lying about the DUI affair.
>
>
> You should take your own advice. Apparently you haven't been listening
> before you opened your mouth. Paul is the ONE and practically the ONLY
> one who (in spite of being cussed out up one side and down the other,
> told to see a shrink and having barb start numerous childish,
> unsophisticated, hateful attacks on him) has been respectful.
Yeah, right. You have a strange idea of the definition of respectful.
"Zinj- you're a fag"
"Well, besides being a negative asshole,"
"Your mom washed and disrespected my winshield for a quarter last night.
I got hella' street cred bro. She's like riding a moped - fun to ride
as long as no one sees you on it- Word up G"
"BTW- your mom was woth every $ 1.37 for five minutes of me pissing on
her the other night."
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics ...
Even if you win, you're still retarded"
Obviously you haven't been following his posts, then. He has said some
incredibly juvenile and repulsive things. And is responded to in the way
he apparently understands. Sort of like talking to you on the third
grade level you seem to require for communication.
>
> He says he isn't lying....that he doesn't remember what happened. So
> why should he apologize for "lying"?
And you believe him...cuz he says he isn't lying? Hello! Clue by four
needed over here!
>
> You siad you weren't sexually harassing an underaged girl. Others said
> you were. Did you ever apologize for "lying"? See.....if it's sauce
> for him, it's also sauce for you and lots of other "critics".
>
>>Most people could care less if you have a substance abuse problem or
>>not. I just want you off the road. If you won't come clean about SCN
>>having nothing to with your DUI-then you should get lost. I call you a
>>kid because you are a very young 27.
>>OC has become a loony bin lately and a few of them will let you float
>>any bullshit you want over there.
>
>
> VS all the bullshit that gets spread here?
>
>
>>>When I see you insult important and respected people (I'll use
>>
>>Cerridwen as one example) it makes me sick.
>
>
> But it's o.k. for Cerridwen, barb, etc. to insult him....huh? What
> goes around, comes around. And that came around some time ago.
>
>
>>You better start researching who the hell you are talking to....
>
>
> Hey, just because some people have been critics for a certain number of
> years....what did you say 5-30? which I suppose includes you.....
> doesn't mean they deserve respect, especially when they have been
> disrespectful for 5-30 years.
>
> The last few days Paul has been extremely respectful in the face of
> numerous unwarranted,
> ad hominem attacks.
"The last few days..."
Yeah, that makes it all better.
>
> a.r.s. is no different than OCMB.....a certain group of "critics" think
> they own the place.
No, a certain group of people with better critical thinking skills than
yourself don't want to be associated with a lying, domain jumping
opportunist who reeks of insincerity and self promotion.
Anybody can post to ARS, you dumb cow. But they'd better be ready to
take flak if they come on with ridiculous tales of persecution.
As far as owning the place, as you say, who the fuck are YOU to be
telling other people how to write? You seem to think you're the ARS den
mother or something. You seem to think you have a right to demand
information of people and receive it. If anything, you're the big-ass
old pot calling the kettle black!
>
> What's sick are the hypocrites with bloated egos:
>
> May they get well soon.
>
> http://www.kingcards.com/htdocs/occasion/getwell/alien.htm
>
> Tigger
>
>>
>>Michael
>
>
moontaco
So what if you have dueling Scientologists telling a person two
different things? One goes up to him on the operating table and says
"Die!" and the other shows up and says "No, come back!" Does the one
with higher OT powerz win? Or just whoever is the latest to say
something?
BTW, I sure hope the ability to call people back to their bodies has an
expiration date. It's one thing to call someone back to a freshly dead
body, but after a few days, that could be pretty gross.
mt
Lisa Ruby
I'm sure they don't teach lessons on a lot of things the high-levels
in Scn do.
You wrote:
>Get it now?
I understand perfectly well what you are trying to do---to Fred Durks
and also on this forum.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>It is certainly referred to, but they don't TEACH a >course in "How to
>Fry Your Enemies With A Thought."
Hubbard's reference is enough.
I did not say they teach a course. Courses
cannot teach what only seasoned Satanists
can accomplish: send death curses. Even so,
they are not successful all of the time.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Michael Greenberg
Muldoon, either he apologizes for making up that croc o' shit
story...or he doesn't. Real simple.
I don't even care about his trial.
What I do care about...is that if he turns out to a repeat DUI
then he needs jail time. He has no remorse which makes him dangerous
and that is more important than any of this.
Michael
wbarwell
>
> Ah, but if he could do it, we could figure out how to do it as well.
> There'd be no overpopulation problem, that's for sure! ;)
>
If humans could kill with a thought, people like Hitler
and Stalin would not have lasted long. Bill Clinton
would not have lasted to his second term.
Some of Hubbard's idiot rants claim his early
opponents died because they messed with Scientology.
Yadda yadda!
I remember Ted Mayett's tale of Jim Kalgeris
and the dead roach, so they had people
passing around these sorts of claims that
one could do these things. At least to a roach.
Android Cat
> barb wrote:
>
>> It is certainly referred to, but they don't TEACH a >course in "How
>> to Fry Your Enemies With A Thought."
>
> Hubbard's reference is enough.
>
> I did not say they teach a course. Courses
> cannot teach what only seasoned Satanists
> can accomplish: send death curses. Even so,
> they are not successful all of the time.
If there were any OTs or Satanist Death Curses, we wouldn't be here.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Android Cat
Manual of Justice:
PUNISHMENT
Our punishment is not as unlimited as you might think. Dianetics and
Scientology are self protecting sciences. It one attacks them one attacks
all the know-how of the mind. In caves the bank. It's gruesome to see
sometimes.
At this instance there are men hiding in terror on Earth because they found
out what they were attacking. There are men dead because they attacked us -
for instance Dr Joe Winter. He simply realized what he did and died. There
are men bankrupt because they attacked us - Purcell, Ridgeway, Ceppos.
Hubbard covers all the bases with that one. If something bad happens to
someone, it was the Ooga-Booga of Scientology. If it doesn't, that's
because they don't *directly* do things, of course. And they *could* kill
roaches or knock off hats, but they don't, because... Because, they just
don't, okay? (Strange, they don't shirk from mundane dirty tricks at all,
so it's hard to believe that they'd refrain from occult jumbo-mumbo
vengance. If they could. Narf!)
Lisa Ruby
>If there were any OTs or Satanist Death Curses, we wouldn't be here.
You have to be a threat to their demonic network in order in require a
death curse.
People who say that the Scn higherups cannot send demons on
assignment are helping their demonic agenda, not hurting them.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
barb
Geez, are you from Hogwarts or something? "Death curses?"
You don't seriously believe in that shit, do you? Cuz if you do, you
have my condolences.
Lisa Ruby
>Geez, are you from Hogwarts or something? "Death curses?"
>You don't seriously believe in that shit, do you? Cuz if you do, you
>have my condolences.
Scientology has my condolences for having such an obvious damage
control program on their own news group.
Those who undermine Scientology's demonic network are well aware of
what the CoS can do. The only people who have the authority to break
death curses are committed, noncompromising Christians which are very
scarce these days. If religoustolerance.org has their way they will be
even
scarcer.
That is why the CoS uses their "critics" on this forum to
vilify Christians. They are the only ones who can successfully
fight the Scientology agenda in the spiritual realm.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"wbarwell" <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11re926...@corp.supernews.com...
Roach, Scientology PI... such a fine line. No, that's an insult to roaches.
Lisa Ruby
>He wished desperately that he could kill his
>perceived, imagined enemies from a distance and >get away with it using only OTO magic.
Satan's followers who are aiming for the top (as Hubbard was) do not
have imagined enemies. They have real enemies--as Hubbard surely did.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Then, today this guy called me today saying he >could cure all my problems for a nominal fee.
Fred, on this forum they use the Hegelian Dialectic: Scientology OR
Psychiatry will cure personal problems. Those are not the only choices
available to man.
Also, please beware of meeting a stranger anywhere unless you are
positive that he is who
he says he is.
Sincerely,
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
realpch
Heh! I suspect not!
: )
Peach
realpch
Well Lisa, there's one for the archives. Though possibly you have
mistaken mundane earthly demons such as Edwin Richardson for more, uh,
spectral ones.
Peach
Michael Greenberg
Oh this is rich...you are going to carry on for y e a r s defending
this selfish kid's right to lie to everyone. beautiful....
Actually, I'm looking forward to it, because the entertainment
possibilities are endless! Thanks for the snarky remarks.
I'll remember that.
Regards,
Mike
realpch
Well tell ya what, you go do all the fighting in the spiritual realm.
We'll leave it all to you!
: )
Peach
Lisa Ruby
>If there were any OTs or Satanist Death Curses, we wouldn't be here.
Satan is not in the business of killing people who help him sustain
his powerless image.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>We'll leave it all to you!
No thanks. My husband fights the
spiritual battles. That is one reason why Satan
hates the scripture's teaching on the husband being
the head of the wife. Because it is true.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Rev. David Rice, Esq.
> Fredric L. Rice wrote:
> > While an abject absurdity, imagine what would have happened if the
> > insane madman actually been able to kill with a thought. He'd have
> > exceeded Stalin's body count ten times over.
> Ah, but if he could do it, we could figure out how to do it as well.
> There'd be no overpopulation problem, that's for sure! ;)
I would start out by killing all the men on the planet except
myself. Oh, and also roosters (I hate all that yelling they do in
the mornings.)
> --
> --barb
> Chaplain,ARSCC
> xenu...@netscape.net
>
> "Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
> form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
> This assistance might involve holding you against your
> will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
> friends and family, and denying you access to
> appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
> for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
> the release form absolves your caretakers of all
> responsibility for your suffering and death.
>
> Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
>
> --Dr. Dave Touretzky
> Peter Alexander
>
---
http://lastliberal.org / I support privatization of religion.
Free random & sequential signature changer http://holysmoke.org/sig
"What? You're not dead yet? Man, I gotta get a bigger voodoo doll!" -- Barb
Barbara Schwarz
Rev. David Rice, Esq. wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 15:51:24 -0800, barb <bwa...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Fredric L. Rice wrote:
What a luck that the "critics" of Scientology have zero spiritual
abilities as otherwise there would be no Scientologist alive anymore.
However, as the anti-religious extremists are still alive, it shows
that OTs are not killing them. So, why don't you relax and eat some
fresh fruits with lots of vitamins to handle your persecution mania or
whatever that is what you guys are dramatizing.
Barbara Schwarz
--
http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
(About Dave Touretzky)
Other interesting websites:
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/
http://www.alarmgermany.org/
http://bernie.cncfamily.com/sc/sitemap.htm
http://www.cchr.org
http://www.MindFreedom.ORG/
http://www.datafilter.com/mc
http://www.freespeechstore.com
http://www.amatterofjustice.org/amoj/00index.cfm
Barbara Schwarz
The SEGNPMSS wrote:
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
> news:1136080281....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Fredric Rice wrote:
> >
> >>He wished desperately that he could kill his
> >>perceived, imagined enemies from a distance and >get away with it using
> >>only OTO magic.
> >
> > Satan's followers who are aiming for the top (as Hubbard was) do not
> > have imagined enemies. They have real enemies--as Hubbard surely did.
>
>
> Nutsy says Elron is her daddy and you said you never accept lies yet you hang
> on to Nutsy's every word you kook.
How much did you to drink today, Jeff? If I would be you, I would
retire. You might be held legally responsible for your abusive and
intoxicated postings.
How is the porn video renting business these days? How much money do
you make monthly with that dirt?
Ball of Fluff
"The SEGNPMSS" <segn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:43b7624d$0$89190$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1136090775.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> The SEGNPMSS wrote:
>>> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:1136080281....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> > Fredric Rice wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>He wished desperately that he could kill his
>>> >>perceived, imagined enemies from a distance and >get away with it
>>> >>using only OTO magic.
>>> >
>>> > Satan's followers who are aiming for the top (as Hubbard was) do not
>>> > have imagined enemies. They have real enemies--as Hubbard surely did.
>>>
>>> Is that any way to speak about Nutsy's father?
>>>
>>> Nutsy says Elron is her daddy and you said you never accept lies yet
>>> you hang on to Nutsy's every word you kook.
>>
>> How much did you to drink today, Jeff?
>
> under Great Salt Lake or Elron Hubbard the crook is my daddy like you do,
> kook.
Man, everything's drinking drinking drinking or fat fat fat with this woman.
CofS sure has got a button on those things, though,it should be noted that
they are more than happy to take a church member's money if the person is
overweight and likes to hoist a few...
It really comes off like stupid natter.
C
Lisa Ruby
>Take note girls. Lisa Ruby the fundie kook says your place in in the
>kitchen and barefoot and pregnant.
Some are not pleased that I am not receiving the demonic retaliation
they think I deserve.
I find it fascinating that some ARS posters are supposedly avidly
opposing
Scn while refusing to acknowledge its spiritual nature---and mocking
those
who do.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Barbara, who is this SEGNPMSS poster?
realpch
>
> "Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in
> news:43b767cf$1...@news2.lightlink.com:
>
> >
> > "The SEGNPMSS" <segn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:43b7624d$0$89190$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> >> "Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:1136090775.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The SEGNPMSS wrote:
> >>>> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:1136080281....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Fredric Rice wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>He wished desperately that he could kill his
> >>>> >>perceived, imagined enemies from a distance and >get away with it
> >>>> >>using only OTO magic.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Satan's followers who are aiming for the top (as Hubbard was) do
> >>>> > not have imagined enemies. They have real enemies--as Hubbard
> >>>> > surely did.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that any way to speak about Nutsy's father?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nutsy says Elron is her daddy and you said you never accept lies yet
> >>>> you hang on to Nutsy's every word you kook.
> >>>
> >>> How much did you to drink today, Jeff?
> >>
> >> Not enough to make false accusations or say I lived on a submarine base
> >> under Great Salt Lake or Elron Hubbard the crook is my daddy like you
> >> do, kook.
> >
> > Man, everything's drinking drinking drinking or fat fat fat with this
> > woman.
>
> expected from Nutsy when she is cornerd on her kookery. Nutsy posts
> absolute nonsense while allegadly sober that others would not think even
> after a weekend of painting the town red.
>
> > CofS sure has got a button on those things, though,it should be noted
> > that they are more than happy to take a church member's money if the
> > person is overweight and likes to hoist a few...
>
> telephone book. The only part of Kirstie that has been lightweighted
> would most likely be her bank account thanks to the scientology crime cult.
>
>
> > It really comes off like stupid natter.
>
> reply to facts she does not like.
>
> Happy new year.
Hey, you mustn't watch any television. Kirsti Alley is now the proud
owner of only one chin, which can be seen in her Jenny Craig
commercials. She looks like she's about 20 lbs away from an ideal weight
for her age. The wonder to me is that anyone with her kind of financial
resources and her career ever becomes and stays overweight. I mean you
could hire someone to stand around all day and rip the cookies out of
your hands and replace them with celery sticks, if you wanted to.
Peach
Lisa Ruby
>What will Nutsy say about you talking about her 'daddy' like that kook?
Barbara knows I post what I believe to be true. Not for the purpose of
being
hateful, but rather, to be truthful.
Since she can refrain from hating me for the content of my posts,
the ARS critics should be able to manage the same thing.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Is that any way to speak about Nutsy's father?
So you do acknowledge that L. Ron Hubbard is
Barbara's father. She does look like him.
I am being defamed here
>
> > The SEGNPMSS wrote:
> >
> >>Is that any way to speak about Nutsy's father?
> >
> > So you do acknowledge that L. Ron Hubbard is
> > Barbara's father. She does look like him.
I look very much like L. Ron Hubbard. I just have the dark hair of my
mother, but otherwise, the similarity is amazing. I compared my photos
to those of Ron, and the only difference between us is that I am female
and have no red hair.
> It was a joke. Like you are, kook.
SEGNPMSS agents are the koos, oops, the kooks.
>
> No one else believes anything Nutsy says except stupid kooks like you.
Not true, my fan club is growing. L. Ron Hubbard has founded
Scientology and no new religion is necessary, but if that would not be
the case, I could found my own religious movement. ;)
But don't even try to kiss my feet, Jeff Jacobsen, I don't want your
drooling mouth close to me.
I am being defamed here
>
> > Peach wrote:
> >
> >>We'll leave it all to you!
> >
> > No thanks. My husband fights the
> > spiritual battles. That is one reason why Satan
> > hates the scripture's teaching on the husband being
> > the head of the wife. Because it is true.
>
> kitchen and barefoot and pregnant.
>
> > http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
I think your place is in the kitchen, pregnant or not, Jeff Jacobsen.
You don't make it in the real world. You can't even help Barb to park a
bike correctly.
Lisa Ruby
Jeff, please come on here and confirm or deny this. You never did
regarding the Plethora identity...perhaps you will this time.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
I am being defamed here
barbs...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Paul, it would be wise of you to take these suggestions seriously. You
> are not a kid anymore, life is catching up to you. Instead of creating
> all those web sites and online petitions, maybe you should channel your
> energy into creating a viable lifestyle for yourself and your future
> family. It's obvious to a lot of us who have been subjected to your
> story that you are not a serious critic of the Church of Scientology,
> but only a punk who thumbs his nose at authority figures. I would
> guess that this has something to do with your relationship with your
> father; but only a professional psychologist or psychiatrist can get to
> the bottom of your psychoses. You can't do this by yourself, get some
> help.
I have another forger! Get your own name. Don't you know that I trace
my forgers down and file penal complaints against them?
Barbara Schwarz
Lisa Ruby
>I look very much like L. Ron Hubbard.
Yes, you do.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Lisa Ruby
>Most of Usenet knows what Nutsy posts is libel and bull shit and you still
>turn to Nutsy for information which is asking an insane scientologist to
>tell the truth
Barbara is a diligent researcher which gives no comfort to the ARS
"critics."
Actually, I turned to Jeff Jacobson. I expect that he will be on here
shortly to
answer my question. (Unless his friends choose to answer for him again,
which I find strange.)
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
the virtual auschwitz, or hadley goes to prison
>
> > barb wrote:
> >
> >>It is certainly referred to, but they don't TEACH a >course in "How to
> >>Fry Your Enemies With A Thought."
> >
> > Hubbard's reference is enough.
>
> What will Nutsy say about you talking about her 'daddy' like that kook?
>
> > cannot teach what only seasoned Satanists
> > can accomplish: send death curses. Even so,
> > they are not successful all of the time.
>
> The Satanic Death Curses and Black Helicopers are coming for you!
Apparently, so is the british navy -- they've been told to kill you.
the virtual auschwitz
The SEGNPMSS wrote:
> "the virtual auschwitz, or hadley goes to prison" <homer_...@yahoo.com>
>
> The Ruby and Booby Kookshow will be firing off email complaints to Rear
> Admiral Marin and Tony Blair about your poast.
the department.
They already did.
Eldonbraun
LOL, Peach. You've invented a whole new profession! Heck, if stars can
have personal trainers, why not personal calorie counters? Or would it
be called something else? Personal will power enhancer? I dunno, but
it's the sort of thing that might well become a fad in Hollywood.
>
> Peach
Eldonbraun
> Tigger wrote:
> > Michael Greenberg wrote:
> >
> > > Eldonbraun wrote:
> >
> > > > Fred Durks wrote:
> >
> > > > > Eldonbraun- I agree with what you wrote.
> >
> > > > Thank you for making things more accurate and comprehensible on your
> > > > site, Paul. Isn't it nice that websites are so much easier to tidy up
> > > > than thousands of copies of printed material you've already
> > > > distributed. That can be a pain in terms of logistics. Errata sheets
> > > > are embarrassing too.
> > > >
> > > > This is why real publishers -- even of credible websites -- try to get
> > > > things pretty much correct before they put things out there in print.
> > > >
> > > > You really do need to work on your credibility. I sincerely suggest a
> > > > competent psychotherapist. I'll bet I'm not the first person who
> > > > suggested that. One of these days, you're going to get past your
> > > > adolescent mental years, so you might as well start working on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can see my changes on http://www.stopscientology.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > If I were you I would focus on your real interest which is comedy which
> > > you have somewhat of a knack for albeit it's essentially Howard Stern
> > > Potty humor. Call it what it is.
> > > But as far as becoming a serious critic-thats not going to happen any
> > > time soon.
> >
> > LOL....look who's talking! Ultramike, the "I Love Bernie" guy.
> >
> > Ahem, UMike, are you talking to Paul?
> >
> > > This is a educated sophisticated adult movement largely, most who have
> > > 5-30 years experience.
> >
> > Educated? Sophisticated? Adult? You've got to be kidding.
> > >
> > > You have no idea how many people you have offended on a number of
> > > levels.
> >
> > HO HO HO.....And you and barb haven't?
> >
> > > Be respectful and keep your mouth shut-listen- ask questions-research
> > > before publishing. Usenet is forgiving and you will get a modicum of
> > > respect eventually after you become brutally honest and apologize for
> > > Lying about the DUI affair.
> >
> > You should take your own advice. Apparently you haven't been listening
> > before you opened your mouth. Paul is the ONE and practically the ONLY
> > one who (in spite of being cussed out up one side and down the other,
> > told to see a shrink and having barb start numerous childish,
> > unsophisticated, hateful attacks on him) has been respectful.
> >
> > He says he isn't lying....that he doesn't remember what happened. So
> > why should he apologize for "lying"?
> >
> > You siad you weren't sexually harassing an underaged girl. Others said
> > you were. Did you ever apologize for "lying"? See.....if it's sauce
> > for him, it's also sauce for you and lots of other "critics".
> > >
> > > Most people could care less if you have a substance abuse problem or
> > > not. I just want you off the road. If you won't come clean about SCN
> > > having nothing to with your DUI-then you should get lost. I call you a
> > > kid because you are a very young 27.
> > > OC has become a loony bin lately and a few of them will let you float
> > > any bullshit you want over there.
> >
> > VS all the bullshit that gets spread here?
> >
> > > > When I see you insult important and respected people (I'll use
> > > Cerridwen as one example) it makes me sick.
> >
> > But it's o.k. for Cerridwen, barb, etc. to insult him....huh? What
> > goes around, comes around. And that came around some time ago.
> >
> > > You better start researching who the hell you are talking to....
> >
> > Hey, just because some people have been critics for a certain number of
> > years....what did you say 5-30? which I suppose includes you.....
> > doesn't mean they deserve respect, especially when they have been
> > disrespectful for 5-30 years.
> >
> > The last few days Paul has been extremely respectful in the face of
> > numerous unwarranted,
> > ad hominem attacks.
> >
> > a.r.s. is no different than OCMB.....a certain group of "critics" think
> > they own the place.
> >
> > What's sick are the hypocrites with bloated egos:
> >
> > May they get well soon.
> >
> > http://www.kingcards.com/htdocs/occasion/getwell/alien.htm
> >
> > Tigger
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael
>
>
>
> Oh this is rich...you are going to carry on for y e a r s defending
> this selfish kid's right to lie to everyone. beautiful....
> Actually, I'm looking forward to it, because the entertainment
> possibilities are endless! Thanks for the snarky remarks.
Well, at least Tigger was sort of on topic. Here we also have Barbara
Schartz doing her broken record number about forgery, and Lisa posing
"other solutions" -- which I guess might involve finding Jesus?
So with Fred/Paul, that makes four individuals who might constitute an
online support group if they wanted to enhance their resepective grips
on reality. All they need is a moderator. But I'm not volunteering,
thanks ever so much.
>
> I'll remember that.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
realpch
>
> realpch wrote:
<snip>
> > Hey, you mustn't watch any television. Kirsti Alley is now the proud
> > owner of only one chin, which can be seen in her Jenny Craig
> > commercials. She looks like she's about 20 lbs away from an ideal weight
> > for her age. The wonder to me is that anyone with her kind of financial
> > resources and her career ever becomes and stays overweight. I mean you
> > could hire someone to stand around all day and rip the cookies out of
> > your hands and replace them with celery sticks, if you wanted to.
>
> LOL, Peach. You've invented a whole new profession! Heck, if stars can
> have personal trainers, why not personal calorie counters? Or would it
> be called something else? Personal will power enhancer? I dunno, but
> it's the sort of thing that might well become a fad in Hollywood.
> >
> > Peach
The Carb Police.
I once read a bio of Jacqueline Kennedy. She had a slightly plump
assistant, and apparently when the calories called, she'd have the
assistant go stand next to the refrigerator. Apparently that was enough
to keep her slim.
Peach
Lisa Ruby
> Actually, I turned to Jeff Jacobson.
The SEGNPMSS wrote:
>Because Nutsy said so?
No, because I cannot understand why he would
do something like this and felt that he would want
to come on here and say so himself. Maybe he would
know why Barbara thinks you are him. I sure don't.
I think Jeff has a nice site about Lisa and am baffled about
why Barbara thinks you are him and also why Jeff would not
want to just clear things up for everyone's sake.
He wrote to me once when I first was inquiring about
Terri and seemed nice. Now he is supposedly
coming on here under a fake name and calling me a
kook for exposing the satanism in Scientology. What
does he think is the reason things happened to Lisa the way
they did?
I would think he would not want there to be
a shred of doubt about him doing things that he is
alleged to be doing--if indeed he is not doing them.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Kim Palmer
why should he? because you demand it? go back to the kitchen and
cook something
Kim P
Kim Palmer
YOu are such a moron - he does ot have to answer to you or anyone else
and by yur demanding that he does you continue to look stupid
Kim P
realpch
Well, there's a point. Perhaps if her husband politely asked Mr. Jacobson...
Peach
barb
> barb wrote:
>
>
>>Geez, are you from Hogwarts or something? "Death curses?"
>>You don't seriously believe in that shit, do you? Cuz if you do, you
>>have my condolences.
>
>
> Scientology has my condolences for having such an obvious damage
> control program on their own news group.
>
> Those who undermine Scientology's demonic network are well aware of
> what the CoS can do. The only people who have the authority to break
> death curses are committed, noncompromising Christians which are very
> scarce these days. If religoustolerance.org has their way they will be
> even
> scarcer.
>
> That is why the CoS uses their "critics" on this forum to
> vilify Christians. They are the only ones who can successfully
> fight the Scientology agenda in the spiritual realm.
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
Ooohkay, then.
You're a nut who is completely out of touch with reality. Into the
Barbara Scharz bin with you!
--
--barb
Chaplain,ARSCC
xenu...@netscape.net
"Imagine a church so dangerous, you must sign a release
form before you can receive its "spiritual assistance."
This assistance might involve holding you against your
will for an indefinite period, isolating you from
friends and family, and denying you access to
appropriate medical care. You will of course be billed
for this treatment - assuming you survive it. If not,
the release form absolves your caretakers of all
responsibility for your suffering and death.
Welcome to the Church of Scientology."
--Dr. Dave Touretzky
Peter Alexander
barb
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
> news:1136085652.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>Peach wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We'll leave it all to you!
>>
>>No thanks. My husband fights the
>>spiritual battles. That is one reason why Satan
>>hates the scripture's teaching on the husband being
>>the head of the wife. Because it is true.
>
>
> Take note girls. Lisa Ruby the fundie kook says your place in in the
> kitchen and barefoot and pregnant.
>
>
>>Lisa Ruby
>>http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
>
Oh...I thought she was saying husbands should give their wives head...
barb
> The SEGNPMSS wrote:
>
>>"Ball of Fluff" <getof...@fluffentology.com> wrote in
>>news:43b767cf$1...@news2.lightlink.com:
>>
>>
>>>"The SEGNPMSS" <segn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43b7624d$0$89190$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>>
>>>>"Barbara Schwarz" <barbara...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:1136090775.8...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The SEGNPMSS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in
> Hey, you mustn't watch any television. Kirsti Alley is now the proud
> owner of only one chin, which can be seen in her Jenny Craig
> commercials. She looks like she's about 20 lbs away from an ideal weight
> for her age. The wonder to me is that anyone with her kind of financial
> resources and her career ever becomes and stays overweight. I mean you
> could hire someone to stand around all day and rip the cookies out of
> your hands and replace them with celery sticks, if you wanted to.
>
> Peach
BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO!
Celery sticks? <shudder>
barb
> The SEGNPMSS wrote:
>
>
>>Is that any way to speak about Nutsy's father?
>
>
> So you do acknowledge that L. Ron Hubbard is
> Barbara's father. She does look like him.
>
> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
ROTFL! Sarcasm is beyond your grasp. You poor, poor thing! Honestly, you
and BS are proof that you don't need much of a mind to learn to operate
a computer these days. Thanks a lot, Bill Gates! You accomplished your
mission of making the Internet easy enough for a monkey to use.
How I miss the days of DOS. Back when it didn't mean Denial of Service...
barb
I suspect that, to you, much of life is strange...
barb
It's also pretty cruel as well. But of course, the Golden Ones wouldn't
get any sense that lower forms of life, like assistants, have feelings.
barbs...@yahoo.com
Ball of Fluff
"wbarwell" <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11rcb0d...@corp.supernews.com...
So one guy says he'll do it and that makes it doctrine?
That's as priceless as Paulette Cooper's "I am God and God has decided to
rape you" anecdote in her book.
While I do know that there are wild and exaggerated claims about each and
every one of the OT levels, and that an OT is said to eventually be able to
do anything with his mind, which would include anything and everything, that
particular story that is quoted here doesn't indicate Scn dogma as much as
it does a pathetic power trip.
C
Ball of Fluff
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136020950.1...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hubbard's writings communicated to Arnie Lerma the concept of killing
> with a thought.
>
> Arnie Lerma wrote:
>
> In his book, Introduction to Scientology Ethics ,(2) Hubbard lists on
> page 56 as a high crime "The disintegration of persons or belongings" -
> if this doesn. t IMPLY incredible mental super power.. I don. t know
> what does.
You don't know any other ways to disintegrate physical objects or bodies
other than sci fi crap?
C
Ball of Fluff
> barb wrote:
>
> What do you mean by 'doctrine?'
>
> Teaching.
>
> Scientology Wally Pope referred to it as a doctrine, and of
> course he did not like this doctrine to be brought up in court. It does
> not make Scientology look good so it makes sense that he would
> not want it to be brought up; he said it is not relevant.
>
Then you will be able to provide a Hubbard reference for it.
That's what "doctrine" in Scn is.
C
Ball of Fluff
> barb wrote:
>
>> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>>
>>> barb wrote:
>>>
>>> What do you mean by 'doctrine?'
>>>
>>> Teaching.
>>>
>>> Scientology Wally Pope referred to it as a doctrine, and of
>>> course he did not like this doctrine to be brought up in court. It
>>> does not make Scientology look good so it makes sense that he would
>>> not want it to be brought up; he said it is not relevant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lisa Ruby
>>> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>>>
>> They don't "teach" how to kill with a thought. There's no TR for
>> killing with a thought. And OTVIII definately doesn't include "you
>> will learn to kill with a thought at this level."
>>
>> There's enough goofy crap in Scientology to use without making up
>> bullshit about it and spreading idiotic inaccuracies.
>>
>> When OTs do try to fry you with their minds, all that happens is
>> they squint and look constipated. When someone like Abelson gets
>> looking that way, you want to edge away in case of overflow. The
>> guy's got hella intestinal volume. I would not care to be around him
>> when someone makes the Brown Noise!
>>
>
>
>
> THE ANATOMY OF CAUSE (16th ACC) - PART 08 OF 31
>
> POSTULATES OF ACTION-REACTION
>
> A lecture given on 11 January 1957
>
> ....
>
>
> That is the frame of mind -- that exact frame of mind is the
> unknowing frame of mind of every preclear you have difficulty
> with. He's waiting for you to make the wall postulate. He's
> waiting for you to kick him out.
>
> Therefore, you can always boot somebody out of his head if you
> insist on it. You got that? But you actually have to practically
> knock him over between the ears in some cases. You see, you
> practically have to take a club to him in some cases. But the
> funny part of it is, you could. You actually could.
>
> You could walk up to a person who was under ether and you could
> say, "Get out of your head. Go to Arcturus. Don't ever come
> back." He'd die right there on the operating table.
>
> That is the basic mechanism which is used in this universe when
> exteriorization is employed politically -- in any way. That is
> attention and then boot him out. In other words, they substitute
> for the second postulate, boot him out and send him on his way.
> And the fellow has no choice but to go. He is therefore and
> thereon and thereafter under orders from that particular source.
>
> Do you know that you can call back, to any dead body, the thetan
> departed from it? This is something fascinating. And there's many
> a Scientologist here and there around the world -- but much more
> so in Europe and North Africa than here -- who has just stood a
> small community, you see, right on its ear with this particular
> one.
>
> A guy is hit in the street accident, he's lying there, he's not
> breathing. The doctor says, "Cover him up." The Scientologist
> says to the guy, "What the hell's the matter with you! Pick that
> mock-up up!"
>
> See? Get the idea? The fellow says, "Oh, wait a minute. I don't
> have permission to depart."
>
> He thought the body had said, "You can leave." The blow was
> orders to leave. And so he died. That's why people die.
>
> That's why one person with the same injuries will linger on for
> years, and another person with the same injury will die
> instantly. It's the idea each one of them has, different gradient
> of the idea, that they have had permission to leave. Something
> else has made the postulate they can go.
Yes. The claims of OT are highly exaggerated. It's more an ideal though
people are told they'll attain these things.
If a being is unlimited and is closer to "native state" he or she will be
able to "mock up universes". Anyone who could do that could vaporize
something, couldn't they.
But as far as saying "Scn teaches people to kill with a thought" might as
well say "Scn teaches people to open pickle jars by looking at them."
Either would be correct. But the latter isn't as thrilling and controversial
sounding and won't work as well for conspiracy theories...
Though I can see it now if it was there...about the pickle jar, I mean. I
can see the posts by critics saying "I can open pickle jars that are stuck,
too. I just run some hot water and get a towel...does this mean I'm OT??"
Then some well meaning Ball of Fluff would come on and say "He's talking
about mind over matter. Can you open the pickle jar with just your mind?"
And then someone would point out, who'd actually done some Scn, that the
postulate of the guy with the hot water and towel is just as good as the
postulate of the guy with the magick oatee powerz...
Then Fluff would go off in a huff...only to return 15 seconds later...
Hahahaha!
Happy New Year!
C
Ball of Fluff
> Barb,
>
> I'm sure they don't teach lessons on a lot of things the high-levels
> in Scn do.
If it's stuff they do, then it's not doctrine.
If it's doctrine, then, yes, there will be a written reference.
C