Jesus and Scientology
Magoo
No, I wouldn't say I've turned into some big "Jesus Freak", but today
I was with one, and I realized a few things.
First off, I was raised a Catholic, and as much as I didn't like a bunch of
the "high and mighty" Catholic stuff, I did learn some good things. Then I
left it, after realizing I'd probably go to Hell anyways, Plus I was sure
all of *my* friends would be in Hell anyways, and that was the beginning of
"Party On!" I later joined the cult of Scientology..and that 30 years later,
escaped out. Phew.
Today at work I happened to swear in front of someone who claims to be a
"Christian". Since I've left the cult, I've still seen many Christians to be
quite similar to Scientology...in the many negative ways, although I wasn't
sure why. Once I swore, this girl freaked out..ran off.telling me, "There is
NO need for that!" I said, "I'm sorry", but no, she refused to forgive me.
I thought about it all the way home. Suddenly it hit me! It was people just
like her....claiming to be "Christians" that totally turned me off to any
relationship with Christians. ((And I do understand there are truly loving,
nice Christians, but this isn't about them...))
Ok, so I looked at it, and here's what I came up with:
Cults
Jesus/Higher Powers
Conditional Love Unconditional
Love
Super Judgmental Non-Judgmental
Unforgiving Forgiving
Exclusive Inclusive
$$$ Motivated Purpose Driven
Takers Givers
There are many similar traits, but isn't that interesting??
It may mean nothing to many, but it was a true "ahhhhh haaaaa" Moment, for
me.
So really, once can look at any group and with those traits and see which
side they are ~truly~ on.
Be well J
--
Tory/Magoo~Dancing in the moonlight~
In Scientology for 30 years, out for 4 years and 8 months
For thinking and speaking my mind, I am:
Declared SP and Expelled from C of S
(SP 6 ^ with Cumulative Cluster)
Free at LAST!
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Magoo
It's supposed to have
Cults on one side (left)
with the characteristics under it.
On the right side is "Jesus/Higher Powers"
and the characteristics under that.
And for those who are offended by swearing, spare me the lecture. I know it
isn't a good thing, and I am F*** working on it :)
Tory/Magoo~~
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Larry T
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© 2005 Lawrence Toomajan
"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Lermanet.com
wrote:
>2) What qualities does David Miscavige lack, that if he possessed and
>exemplified, then he'd be more like the Pope is to the Catholic Church
Lermanet.com wrote:
>compassion
Compassion is a vice in Satanism.
"Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the
weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of
the
world."
Quote source:
http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Aleister%20Crowley.htm
Arnaldo Lerma
Lermanet.com Exposing the CON
I'd prefer to die speaking my mind than live fearing to speake
If the Borg were to breed with the Ferengi you'd get Scientology!
The only real product of Scientology is More Scientologists
That is the etiology of cancer.
The only thing that works in scientology are its lawyers
The internet is the Liberty Tree
http://www.lermanet.com/faqs.html
http://www.lermanet.com/exit/hubbard-the-hypnotist.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/altreligionscientology-killfile-settings.htm
NEW at Lermanet.com Exposing the CON THIS WEEK
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/crowley-hubbard-666.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/ex-members-express-bitterness.htm
both with IMAGES!!
"Scientologists believe that most human problems
can be traced to lingering spirits of an extraterrestrial
people massacred by their ruler, Xenu, over 75 million
years ago. These spirits attach themselves by "clusters"
to individuals in the contemporary world, causing
spiritual harm and negatively influencing the lives
of their hosts"
[Judge Leonie Brinkema 4 Oct 96 Memorandum Opinion]
What do we get from getting people out of scientology?
We create an individual who has become a Houdini of
all mind traps.. folks who won't be fooled again.
People who can DE-program, People who can spring mental
traps..
We create, by freeing someone of scientology, a being
who has the ability to break the strongest slave chains
of all.
Those forged of lies. (c) Arnaldo Lerma
Larry T
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>
(SNIP)
> Compassion is a vice in Satanism.
>
(SNIP)
Arnaldo:
How would you know, are you a former Satanist?
Former Scientologist.
Former non-Scientologist.
Former a lot of things, except someone with good
sense.
Phil Scott
Yes indeedie... that is a useful distinction...and not open to
much argument either..how a decent religion or philosphy can
be turned into nasty fake situation ,,
Very interesting and it explains to me why Ive had a severe
aversion to some of these types... these are not being decent
at all or even abiding by their own glorious precepts..but are
using their beliefs as a way to condemn and exclude.
Phil Scott
Genesis
Larry T <(no spam) La...@Toomajan.org> wrote in message
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Genesis
Larry T <(no spam) La...@Toomajan.org> wrote in message
> "Lermanet.com" <ale...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:oghb61l0hfp2mdmfe...@4ax.com...
> >
>
> (SNIP)
>
>
> > Compassion is a vice in Satanism.
> >
> (SNIP)
>
> Arnaldo:
>
> How would you know, are you a former Satanist?
> Former Scientologist.
> Former non-Scientologist.
>
> Former a lot of things, except someone with good
> sense.
you larry are a ''current psych patient, who forgot to take
his medication''
Magoo
"Phil Scott" <philsc...@sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> PS: That didn't quite print out right.
>>
>> It's supposed to have
>> Cults on one side (left)
>> with the characteristics under it.
>>
>> On the right side is "Jesus/Higher Powers"
>> and the characteristics under that.
>>
>> And for those who are offended by swearing, spare me the
> lecture. I know it
>> isn't a good thing, and I am F*** working on it :)
>>
>> Tory/Magoo~~
>> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> > Jesus and Scientology
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It may mean nothing to many, but it was a true "ahhhhh
> haaaaa" Moment, for
>> > me.
>> >
>> > So really, once can look at any group and with those
> traits and see which
>> > side they are ~truly~ on.
>
> Yes indeedie... that is a useful distinction...and not open to
> much argument either..how a decent religion or philosphy can
> be turned into nasty fake situation ,,
>
> Very interesting and it explains to me why Ive had a severe
> aversion to some of these types... these are not being decent
> at all or even abiding by their own glorious precepts..but are
> using their beliefs as a way to condemn and exclude.
Exactly! That was the essence of my realization...and it explained quite a
bit to me. Glad you enjoyed it too :)
T
Fredric L. Rice
>Jesus and Scientology
Should I web this, too?
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Lisa Ruby
that >was the beginning of "Party On!"
Where did you learn this? This is what Satan's followers are taught.
They believe that hell is a constant party.
Lisa Ruby
http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_terri_died_15yearsago.html
Lisa Ruby
>There are many similar traits, but isn't that >interesting??
Very interesting parallels, Tory. Since Christianity is infiltrated by
Scientology, this is not surprising to me.
Lisa Ruby
>"Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp down the wretched and the
>weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of
the world."
>Quote source:
>http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Aleister%20Crowley.htm
I assume you will place this information on your page on David
Miscaveige, correct?
Lisa Ruby
Lisa Ruby
>Should I web this, too?
I am interested in that answer for sure.
Lisa Ruby
Kim P
wake up and smell the coffee - she was not talking about hell being a
party she was talking about her life after leaving the church . Can you
not read or are you so wrapped up in your warped tunnel vision that any
mention of hell turns your brain off??
Kim Palmer
Hartley Patterson
> I thought about it all the way home. Suddenly it hit me! It was people just
> like her....claiming to be "Christians" that totally turned me off to any
> relationship with Christians. ((And I do understand there are truly loving,
> nice Christians, but this isn't about them...))
One of the big problems we have in trying to convince people that the CoS
is a Bad Thing is that they have been taught that religions and cults are
totally different animals, separated by a wide gulf. Cults cannot possibly
have anything good in them and nothing could ever go wrong in a religion
since everyone in it is nice.
The reality? We are all individuals, and joining a religion, a cult, a
political party, a bowling club doesn't make us automatically good or evil.
We can only do that for ourselves.
--
"I just might be the angel at your door"
A medieval spreadsheet and enturbulating entheta.
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
Catherine boucher
"Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Jesus and Scientology
>
>
>
>
> I thought about it all the way home. Suddenly it hit me! It was people
just
> like her....claiming to be "Christians" that totally turned me off to any
> relationship with Christians. ((And I do understand there are truly
loving,
> nice Christians, but this isn't about them...))
Very true. I also left the RCC because of what I thought was hypocrasy.
I've gone back (to the Episcopal) and learning what I failed to learn when I
was younger. Compassion is a very rare thing.
C.
Lisa Ruby
>Can you not read or are you so wrapped up in >your warped tunnel
vision that any
>mention of hell turns your brain off??
Thank you for providing more documentation for my research.
ida...@aol.com
possession of the old Cult Awareness Network (CAN) several years ago
the newbies who scan ARS are possibly not aware of this. Nancy O'Meara
long time Scientologist has tried to work the cults way into Interfaith
areas for many years.
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c19.html
Buyer-beware: The real CAN, a secular anticult organization, has been
taken over by a Scientologist, and must be considered under the
influence of the Church of Scientology [Documentation]. While claiming
to promote tolerance, the new CAN has shown itself to be a hate group.
It is now operated by the Foundation for Religious Freedom (FRF), a
California corporation doing business as Cult Awareness. The agreement
between the Church of Scientology and the IRS, reveals that FRF is a
"Scientology-related" entity (VIII 4c).
Billing itself as an interfaith organization, FRF is headed by Dr.
George Robertson, who also founded "Friends of Freedom," an
organization funded by the Church of Scientology [Documentation]
Robertson is a baptist minister. He is vice president and chairman of
Maryland Bible College & Seminary, which is operated by Greater Grace
World Outreach, a church that has been in the news in the past for
unethical practices. Another person associated with GGWO, Louis DeMeo,
is a vocal opponent of France's anticult- and countercult movements.
Scientology minister Nancy O'Meara, administrator for FRF, bills
herself as a CAN-volunteer.
Whereas the real CAN was an organization that warned people about
dangerous cults, the Scientology-backed CAN relies primarily on
information provided by cult apologists. It's use of the name "Cult
Awareness Network" is, therefore, seen as a farce.
Incidentally, the term "interfaith" strictly speaking stands for
"involving person of different religious faith." The idea is that while
these people may differ in their theological convictions, they
nevertheless tolerate and respect each other. Currently, though, some
(including many cult apologists) are trying to redefine the term to
mean that one must accept religious pluralism - the theory that there
are more than one or more than two kinds of ultimate reality and/or
truth - and that therefore more than one religion can be said to have
the truth (way to God, salvation, etcetera). In this view, questioning
or critiquing the beliefs and/or practices of a religious movement is
considered akin to "intolerance," "persecution," and "hatred." For
obvious reasons, this appears to be the approach favored by the new
CAN.
Ida J. Camburn
PLEASE Listen to Dr West's Lecture on Cults
http://www.lermanet.com/audio/
Magoo
"Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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Sure, why not? I'd prefer you web the talk I gave to the Skeptic society, if
I had my choice...but that might be too much band width, eh? Can you web a
link to it?
Thanks :)
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
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> >Plus I was sure all of *my* friends >would be in Hell anyways, and
> that >was the beginning of "Party On!"
>
> Where did you learn this? This is what Satan's followers are taught.
> They believe that hell is a constant party.
>
> Lisa Ruby
I didn't learn it anywhere...it's what I thought, after walking into my
Catholic church one day, seeing all pictures of older women playing harps
"In Heaven". I thought, "The idea of sitting around with a bunch of old
bats, playing harps IS my definition of Hell. Plus.....the vast majority of
MY friends no doubt ~will~ go to Hell, sooooooooooooooo
Party on!
No one told me Hell is a party, I decided to Party on. Get it?
Tory/Magoo~
>
> http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_terri_died_15yearsago.html
>
Magoo
"Kim P" <yduzit...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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Phew...thanks Kim! I was thinking, what is wrong with this person? Now I get
it.
The ol Blinders are on. And that's "Freedom"?
Tory/Magoo~~
Magoo
SPLAT! I got your "Research" Right here.
T
>
Magoo
mmmm....and this data is from where? I don thin so mon.
Tory/Magoo~~
>
Fredric L. Rice
>"Fredric L. Rice" <FR...@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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>> "Magoo" <mag...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>Jesus and Scientology
>> Should I web this, too?
>Sure, why not? I'd prefer you web the talk I gave to the Skeptic society, if
>I had my choice...but that might be too much band width, eh? Can you web a
>link to it?
I'll talk with the web host about the disk space it would take to
copy the speech and if he's agreed, it wouldn't hurt to have another
back up on the net. I can certainly link to it, yes.
Lisa Ruby
>mmmm....and this data is from where? I don thin so mon
I'm not telling...yet.
stevej...@yahoo.com
Phil Scott
> Tory wrote:
>
> >mmmm....and this data is from where? I don thin so mon
>
> I'm not telling...yet.
You are new to ARS and are misevalating some world class
people just because they are not of your same exact religious
ethic.
its taking a broad spread of people of all persuasions to take
the criminal cult of scientology down.
One the issue of scn being in bed with the religious
right..its extensive and fully documented. Sorry I dont log
the posts but all that is searchable on google.
NOW just because I say that...does not mean that I am against
this or that...dont draw that conclusion...here on ARS we
state facts as best we can and let the cards fall where they
may.
We are not fighting about how all the First Babtists will go
to hell if they dont convert to whatever brand of christianity
the other side is carrying on about.
We are observers......and imperfect ones at that. We are
adverse to dogma of ANY sort even if it happens to fit our own
goals and predilections..we stay away from that here...we
stick to the whats insane about the cult and cult
characteristics in general....... imperfectly.
thus it will alway be so.
imperfect.
Dissention on the imperfections has been found not viable in
this fight.. ..so those of us who wish to see the cult of
scientology clean up or rot of its own corruption do not get
into these countless other issues.
ymmv of course
Phil Scott
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