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nexi...@yahoo.co.in

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Feb 17, 2006, 2:00:20 PM2/17/06
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Andrew Robertson wrote in an earlier "M Rinder"-thread:
"M. Rinder" is a Scientology critic being silly. "

I am therefore not the only one here who'd rather attribute M Rinder's
"propaganda" to a critic with a weird sense of humour (or rather "a
very dark and crazy sense of humour") than to an "entity" of "the
Church" . . . .

"M Rinder" writings exagerate Scientology "party lines" to the extreme
.... and makes them sound absolutely silly

and "M Rinder"s newly created website http://www.truthabouthubbard.org/
just points in the same direction

created On:16-Feb-2006 18:28:29 UTC
Registrant Name:Timothy Higgs .... say no more ...

but even if it nevertheless SHOULD be an "entity" of "the Church" that
is posing as "M Rinder" then "it" is doing a wonderful and very
convincing job in making "the Church" and it's founder look more silly
than ever

nexibello
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Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 2:12:16 PM2/17/06
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On 17 Feb 2006 11:00:20 -0800, nexi...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

>
>I am therefore not the only one here who'd rather attribute M Rinder's
>"propaganda" to a critic with a weird sense of humour (or rather "a
>very dark and crazy sense of humour") than to an "entity" of "the
>Church" . . . .
>
>"M Rinder" writings exagerate Scientology "party lines" to the extreme
>.... and makes them sound absolutely silly

Could that be what Scientologists posing as critics are doing with
xenu.net?

Could they be posing as critics and exagerating "party lines" to the
extreme to make the real critics of scientology look silly?

Truth Seeker
===========

Here is a list of the titles of all the articles posted earlier
to this newsgroup that the Church of Scientology does not want you to
read. The articles are all listed in alphabetical order. If you're
having a hard time finding them, just do a search on the title of the
article within this newsgroup with your newsreader or go to
google.com, select "groups" and enter the title of the article. Make
sure that if you do a search on a title to leave out the quotation
marks.

You can also find the articles buy doing a search on parts of the
title. For example, if you wanted to find the article: "7 good reasons
why you should stay away from Scientology" you could enter the whole
title in the search box or just "7 good reasons why you". Using parts
of the article title can be a faster and easier way of finding the
article you are looking for.


*- "100% PROOF Tory Christman (Magoo) is a liar"

*- "7 good reasons why you should stay away from Scientology"

*- "A red flag that something isn't right with the Church of
Scientology"

*- "Another Inconsistency in Tory's story"

*- "Another trick Scientologists who are pretending to be critics use
on this newsgroup"

*- "Another Trick Scientology uses to discredit critics on this
newsgroup"

*- "Another trick the Church of Scientology uses to discredit critics"

*- "Are these identities real or did L. Ron Hubbard just make them
up?"

*- "Arnie Lerma answers this important question"

*- "Arnie Lerma, the "Pied Piper" of OSA"

*- "Be careful logging on to Scientology related web sites!"

*- "Be careful of somebody trying to get you to put your name on a
petition!"

*- "Be careful sending your mail to other posters on ARS"

*- "Beware of these types of articles on this newsgroup!"

*- "Boiling down what Scientology is"

*- "Can you really boil life down to these things?"

*- "Characteristics of the Scientologists who post on this newsgroup"

*- "Church of Scientology's Solution to Stopping Real Critics &
Criticism of their church"

*- "Conclusions the Church of Scientology want you to come to"

*- "Could using a "tone scale" be a good way to make people wrong?"

*- "Could this be the REAL reason L. Ron Hubbard created SP tech?"

*- "David Miscavige contradicts L. Ron Hubbard on Nightline!"

*- "Dear Church of Scientology: It's been 54 years now, are the Psychs
all gone yet?"

*- "Dear Church of Scientology: It's been 54 years now, is the planet
clear?"

*- "Did you know there are really two Scientologys"

*- "Do you want to know how The Church of Scientology brought down Bob
Minton?"

*- "Giving Scientology a taste of its own medicine"

*- "Examples of the types of boring posts Scientology puts up to drive
readers off this newsgroup"

*- "Here's the real reason the OSA trolls want you to go on those
"xenu" web sites"

*- "How come Scientology never shut down Arnie Lerma like they did Bob
Minton?"

*- "How do you know that what happened to Lisa McPherson won't happen
to you?"

*- "How much weight does a policy in Scientology have?"

*- "How Scientology Creates Identity Confusion"

*- "How Scientology is playing both sides of the coin"

*- "How Scientology is trying to "handle" this newsgroup"

*- "How Scientology wants the reader to Misidentify things on this
newsgroup"

*- "How the Church of Scientology tries to discredit it's critics"

*- "How to know if you have been manipulated by OSA on this newsgroup"

*- "How to spot the OSA members on this newsgroup"

*- "How you know you've just read phony criticism created by the
Church of Scientology"

*- "If a person is treated like a SP they will begin to act like one!"

*- "Is Scientology a slave Organization?"

*- "Is spiritual growth a mechanical process?"

*- "Is the Church of Scientology really helping you get somewhere?"

*- "Let me tell you who the REAL spammers are on this newsgroup"

*- "L. Ron Hubbard admits he made a mistake and goofed"

*- "Never reveal your true identity on this newsgroup!"

*- "Of Ridges and Suppressives"

*- "On the subject of destroying the Church of Scientology"

*- "One of the reasons OSA chose Tory for the job of bringing down Bob
Minton"

*- "One way Scientology is trying to discredit its critics & enemies"

*- "OSA's tactics in a nutshell"

*- "Proof that the justice system in Scientology isn't what they say
it is"

*- "Proof that the reasons L. Ron Hubbard gives for why people attack
him and his church don’t hold water"

*- "The justice system in Scientology, words versus reality"

*- "Scientology is flooding this newsgroup with news-like posts"

*- "Scientology staff members acting like jerks"

*- "Scientology's "discredit the critic" Strategy"

*- "Scientology's "Levels of Enlightenment" Chart"

*- "Scientology's 3 levels of control"

*- "Scientology's trick to keep people from real criticism"

*- "Scientology is a mult-volumed science fiction story that some
people
take too seriously"

*- "Some ways to "handle" the Church of Scientology"

*- "Something Suspicious about Arnie Lerma's Web Site"

*- "Tactics OSA uses to stop critics on this newsgroup"

*- "The basis of insanity and how Scientology wants to "handle" you"

*- "The Church of Scientology creates their own enemies"

*- "The Church of Scientology discriminates against people based on
their past"

*- "The Church of Scientology is a mind control organization"

*- "The Church of Scientology is like a shadow"

*- "The Church of Scientology's Decoy System"

*- "The church of scientology tries to demonizes certain qualities in
you all the while displaying them themselves"

*- "The Church of Scientology's greatest nightmare"

*- "The Church of Scientology's recruiting and control operation"

*- "The Church of Scientology will try to track you with web links"

*- "The connection between the Church of Scientology and Earthlink"

*- "The discrepancies between what's in Scientology's books and how
things are in reality"

*- "The Dwindling Spiral, is it really true?"

*- "The effect The Church of Scientology is aiming for with those
"Xenu" web sites"

*- "The FAQ for Alt.Religion.Scientology"

*- "The hypocrisy of L. Ron Hubbard's hatred of the US Government"

*- "The injustice that was leveled against me by the Church of
Scientology"

*- "The key to how The Church of Scientology is trying to handle this
newsgroup"

*- "The Madness of the Church of Scientology"

*- "The Magical Transformation of Church Member into Critic"

*- "The making the able more able excuse"

*- "The one thing the Church of Scientology won't help you go "free"
from"

*- "The sad truth about Tory ( Magoo )"

*- "The subject of CONTROL and the Church of Scientology"

*- "The truth about the "Religiousfreedomwatch.org" web site"

*- "The truth about the book "Introduction to Scientology Ethics""

*- "The truth about the "Xenu" web site"

*- "The two faces of Scientology staff members"

*- "The two types of people that are on this newsgroup"

*- "There are two justice systems in Scientology"

*- "This is what the church of scientology is most terrified of"

*- "This is how to destroy the Church of Scientology"

*- "Tory and what she calls "both sides""

*- "Tory's real mission on this newsgroup"

*- "Understanding how Scientology is going about discrediting their
enemies"

*- "Want to know a good way to spot the undercover scientologists on
this newsgroup?"

*- "Want to know if you have been manipulated by Scientology?"

*- "Want to know how the church of scientology is trying to discredit
its critics?"

*- "Was the book: "Dianetics" an attempt you make you wrong?"

*- "Was L. Ron Hubbard a "Squirrel" himself?"

*- "What a Scientologist really is and what a SP really is"

*- "What a Scientology Staff member sees when they look at you"

*- "What a undercover OSA agent Will & Will Not do"

*- "What comes off when Scientology tries to impose their intentions
on you and you stop them?"

*- "What does the Church of Scientology have against free speech?"

*- "What I got from the Church of Scientology as opposed to what I
thought I was going to get"

*- "What is the PRICE for getting involved with the Church of
Scientology?"

*- "What Scientology is in my opinion"

*- "What Scientology is worried about"

*- "What "theta" and "entheta" really is"

*- "What to do so OSA can't hurt you on this newsgroup"

*- "What would OSA do with their time if there were no big bad SP's to
attack?"

*- "When does a Scientologist cease to be a Scientologist?"

*- "Why does the church of scientology blame the same groups of people
for their troubles?"

*- "Who's going to put ethics in on who?"

*- "Why did L. Ron Hubbard consider shooting someone a process?"

*- "Why does Scientology want you to believe members of it's church
are critics?"

*- "Why doesn't Tory go on TV?"

*- "Why is Tory dancing?

*- "Why OSA wants you to leave this newsgroup and go to a web site"

*- "Why were these important facts omitted from the book "Dianetics"?"

*- "Wouldn't creating "SP" tech be a good way of never being detected
as one yourself?"


If any of the articles listed in this index cannot be found, it
is probably because the Church of Scientology has illegally canceled
it in order to keep anybody from reading it. Please wait for me to
re-post it in the future.


Thank You.

Genesis

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Feb 17, 2006, 2:46:43 PM2/17/06
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Truthseeker you have been asked a number of times
for websites and authors giving their opinion of the Co$.

But it makes no sense that you don't give the public the
information needed so they can learn the truth.

Its almost like you are hiding something

I have listed a few authors and web sites I recommend people
should read.
But we all are waiting for your recommendations. As you know,
most people like to read many different viewpoints as to make the
best possible decision in regards to this cult, the Co$

Genesis

--true awareness is only enjoyed by a few--


Authors- Russell Miller, Jon Atack, Bent Corydon,
Paulette Cooper Robert Kaufman, George Malko


http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
http://PerkinsTragedy.org - http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.xenu.ca
http://www.xenutv.com
http://www.scientology-lies.com
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
http://www.scientology-kills.org


Truth Seeker <asd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:858cv194bbcog0iic...@4ax.com...

Phil Scott

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Feb 17, 2006, 2:46:01 PM2/17/06
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<nexi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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Some is the Esss PEE thats taking it all down, and its
probably someone really close to DM and DM knows that... M
Rinder could very well be the key stone SP taking scientology
down as you point out.

Stay tooned... Rolland will no doubt have some more to say
about how DM might handle these jerks as he did with Marty
Rathbun and his pal... I think maybe those two are swimming
off Guam now, somewhere between there and Honolulu.

DM is that last remaining example of what staying tight with
LRH can do for a person... he will be able to turn this mess
around for sure.

Phil Scott

Phil Scott
>


wbarwell

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Feb 17, 2006, 3:26:49 PM2/17/06
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nexi...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

> Andrew Robertson wrote in an earlier "M Rinder"-thread:
> "M. Rinder" is a Scientology critic being silly. "
>
> I am therefore not the only one here who'd rather attribute M Rinder's
> "propaganda" to a critic with a weird sense of humour (or rather "a
> very dark and crazy sense of humour") than to an "entity" of "the
> Church" . . . .
>

I thought it was pretty obvious.

--

"If I saw a man beating a tied up horse, I could
not prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong."
- Mark Twain

Cheerful Charlie

realpch

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Feb 17, 2006, 3:43:20 PM2/17/06
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Well, I always thought it was a critic. I mean, look at the stuff he
choses to post!

Peach

Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 4:28:22 PM2/17/06
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:43:20 -0800, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:


>Well, I always thought it was a critic. I mean, look at the stuff he
>choses to post!
>
>Peach

Why would a critic create a web site saying how great L. Ron was?


realpch

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Feb 17, 2006, 4:54:42 PM2/17/06
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Tongue in cheek, of course. So that little gems like this could be highlighted:

"Our goal is to take control of this planet away from the SP’s
and we will. There are 6 billion reactive minds for us to
handle and we will do it within the next 20 years. You're a
human being with a reactive mind, and like Ron said you can't
be human and be right. Are you human? Well then, you are
wrong.

In order to get anywhere you must not listen to anything
from inside yourself, that’s just your reactive mind; listen to
what L. Ron Hubbard said. Anything inside of you that tells
you to stay away from Scientology is just your reactive mind."

Peach

Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 5:41:23 PM2/17/06
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Tongue in cheek?

I've got news for you but that is exactly how they believe.

TS

Muldoon

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Feb 17, 2006, 5:46:01 PM2/17/06
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Look at all the "M. Rinder" posts, recycled regularly. A few sound
"serious." Others are pompous and silly sounding. It looks like a joke
by a "critic," who thinks he's being clever. But, no matter its source,
it's mainly junk spam.

To a newbie lurker, it's confusing. Someone named "M. Rinder" is
telling them L. Ron Hubbard is God, or some such, or perhaps, on
another occasion, as with the "Lisa case," is making a seemingly
"reasonable" argument.

In yet another post, "M. Rinder" denounces "Truth Seeker" as an "SP."
This is totally confusing to a newbie lurker, firstly, trying to figure
out "Truth Seeker," who - believe it or not - usually comes across (in
his header and initial paragraph) as a "critic."

("Truth Seeker" has now been exposed - but even when gone, will likely
be replaced by another using similar tactics.)

This - in combination - produces confusion for those unfamiliar, newly
looking in.

It simply adds to the quantity of "junk" and confusion on ARS.

It may be regarded as insignificant, but it's not helpful to a newbie
lurker.

My original comment on this was that it was cute at the beginning, but
counter-productive in the long run.

I wouldn't be at all disappointed if it disappeared.

The Cult wants ARS to be a "nutty" and chaotic place with little or no
credibility. Why help the Cult?

I'm a big fan of silliness and joking around, and have indulged in it
too on ARS, but a little goes a long way. It also helps if it's
genuinely funny, rather than repetitious and lame.

Most of the time, isn't the simple truth strange enough?

IMHO.

Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 6:07:56 PM2/17/06
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On 17 Feb 2006 14:46:01 -0800, "Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:


<sniped garbage>

>too on ARS, but a little goes a long way. It also helps if it's
>genuinely funny, rather than repetitious and lame.
>
>Most of the time, isn't the simple truth strange enough?
>
>IMHO.


To put it plainly, Mr. "Muldoon", you are a nut.


Phil Scott

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Feb 17, 2006, 6:18:59 PM2/17/06
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"wbarwell" <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:11vcc5u...@corp.supernews.com...

> nexi...@yahoo.co.in wrote:
>
>> Andrew Robertson wrote in an earlier "M Rinder"-thread:
>> "M. Rinder" is a Scientology critic being silly. "
>>
>> I am therefore not the only one here who'd rather attribute
>> M Rinder's
>> "propaganda" to a critic with a weird sense of humour (or
>> rather "a
>> very dark and crazy sense of humour") than to an "entity"
>> of "the
>> Church" . . . .
>>
>
> I thought it was pretty obvious.

yes.. but he still hasnt said if Marty is floating or has sunk
already.

Phil Scott

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Feb 17, 2006, 6:24:05 PM2/17/06
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"Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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First we get into dialog with Rinder... Then... he tells if
Marty just ank naturally...or if he was shot first.


The main thing is we need to know what the hell happened to
marty.. so far all we have is 6 different shore stories... but
no Marty.


We were fortunate in so many of the others..be had bullet
holes to inspect etc... but with Marty... no body. its
difficult.

accordingly bringing this up with Mister Rinder might help
someone come forward.


Phil Scott

>


I am being defamed and forged here

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Feb 17, 2006, 6:48:01 PM2/17/06
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Phil Scott schrieb:


The biggest mistake is to think that there was just one L. Ron Hubbard
and is just one Marty Rathbun in Scientology. I am convinced both were
impostered, and the impostor activities were not scientological but
psychiatric ideas and infiltrator activities.

Phil, it seems that you envy some for having the possibility to take a
swim. Is there no pool near you?

--
Barbara Schwarz
L. Ron Hubbard: "THE CRIMINAL ACCUSES OTHERS OF THINGS WHICH HE HIMSELF
IS DOING. THE CRIMINAL MIND RELENTLESSLY SEEKS TO DESTROY ANYONE IT
IMAGINES MIGHT EXPOSE IT. THE CRIMINAL ONLY SEES OTHERS AS HE HIMSELF
IS."
L. Ron Hubbard: "HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS, TOO."

http://www.thunderstar.net/~Schwarz/
(I am concerned about Dave Touretzky's activities.)

http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/

Other interesting websites:
http://www.cchr.org
http://67.154.46.4/ Free Speech Store
http://www.amatterofjustice.org/

Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 6:52:16 PM2/17/06
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Who cares?

Zinj

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Feb 17, 2006, 8:33:49 PM2/17/06
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In article <e9gcv1dghucb5bdh1...@4ax.com>,
asd...@yahoo.com says...

Because it's funny?

But seriously volks, there's nothing particularly exaggerated about the
'Mike Rinder' (0r other) posts; it's just what Mike might say if he was
being *honest*. Well, except for the fact that the 'real' Mike Rinder
has a far better knowledge of the crimes of the 'Church' than the
'honest' fake one.

Zinj
--
Scientology: The Science of Believing Anything You Like
This is the 'Tech' This is the Session.

Zinj

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Feb 17, 2006, 8:35:30 PM2/17/06
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In article <egkcv1l226c6stavp...@4ax.com>,
asd...@yahoo.com says...

<snip>

> Tongue in cheek?
>
> I've got news for you but that is exactly how they believe.
>
> TS

Strangely enough, I agree with you; which is the entirety of the joke.
Nothing says wacky like honest, unadulterated, un-shore-storied
Scientology.

Muldoon

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Feb 17, 2006, 8:50:59 PM2/17/06
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Then why not quote the real Mike Rinder?

realpch

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Feb 17, 2006, 8:55:50 PM2/17/06
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Listen, you're the idiot who spammed Tory's phone number to S&M groups,
you have me on your stupid list of OSA agents, and you sent me a short
but profanity-full email. Like, who cares what you think? You're a jerk!

Peach

realpch

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Feb 17, 2006, 8:57:05 PM2/17/06
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> My original comment on this was that it was cute at the beginning, but
> counter-productive in the long run.
>
> I wouldn't be at all disappointed if it disappeared.
>
> The Cult wants ARS to be a "nutty" and chaotic place with little or no
> credibility. Why help the Cult?
>
> I'm a big fan of silliness and joking around, and have indulged in it
> too on ARS, but a little goes a long way. It also helps if it's
> genuinely funny, rather than repetitious and lame.
>
> Most of the time, isn't the simple truth strange enough?
>
> IMHO.

Yeah, I agree. Mike, go ahead and step down, or step it down.

Peach

Muldoon

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Feb 17, 2006, 9:12:37 PM2/17/06
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Watch out when humor becomes _repetitive_ "black PR" - It's _not_
necessary. (And I'm not talking about probing or testing someone, or
exploring for info.)

Take the time and find the actual outrageous statements - they exist.

I haven't laughed once. Do you think my sense of humor is deficient?

There's too much of it. It's spam and it ain't all that funny.

ARS does not need any more junk postings. People need ideas and
information.

If my vote counts at all, then I vote for less "junk" on ARS.

Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 9:27:48 PM2/17/06
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:35:30 GMT, Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <egkcv1l226c6stavp...@4ax.com>,
>asd...@yahoo.com says...
>
><snip>
>
>> Tongue in cheek?
>>
>> I've got news for you but that is exactly how they believe.
>>
>> TS
>
>Strangely enough, I agree with you; which is the entirety of the joke.
>Nothing says wacky like honest, unadulterated, un-shore-storied
>Scientology.
>
>Zinj

Agreeing with me Zinifart? Wow! that's a first.

Yeah, if the world only knew what you kooks really thought behind
closed doors, boy would you guys be finished, huh?

Looks like Mike is making you guys look bad. Better have talk with
your boss before your stats start to drop.
( even more than they already have )


====================================================
Names the Church of Scientology is posting under on this newsgroup:


This article contains a list of names the church of scientology
posts under on this newsgroup. Some of these names are more actively
used than others. The first thing you must understand is that just
because you see 40 different names on this list does not mean that it
is a list of 40 different people. Each scientologist is posting under
5 or 6 different names in order to give the appearance of being 5 or 6
different people. The church of scientology does this in order to
create an artificial "3rd Dynamic". They do this to get a "group
effect" on the people they are trying to stop or influence. If one
person tells you a lie you might not believe it but if you hear 40
people tell you a lie you might believe it and this is why they employ
this tactic. The church of scientology knows that social pressure is a
very powerful tool. They seek to create an artificial majority on this
newsgroup so they can put social pressure on you to get you to do
something they want you to do or to get you to stop doing something
that they don't want you doing.

The Church of Scientology also posts under different names for
other reasons. Sometimes they post under a certain name wanting the
reader to conclude that the person behind that name is a scientologist
and then turn around and posts under other names wanting the reader to
conclude that the person behind that name is a critic of Scientology.
This is all in an attempt to manipulate the reader and to create
"identity confusion". Identity confusion is one of the main weapons
they use on this newsgroup to great effect. The church of scientology
employed "Identity Confusion" in order to bring down Bob Minton, who
was one of their biggest enemies a few years ago. He fell victim to
their "Identity Confusion" tricks and we haven't heard from him since.

The people posting behind the names on this list will openly
admit that there are scientologists posting on this newsgroup but for
some strange reason they will never themselves post a list of the
names those scientologists are posting under. Why is that? Wouldn't a
true critic or enemy of Scientology want the other readers of this
newsgroup to know the names the church of scientology is posting
under? By contrast, would an undercover scientologist ever post a list
that contained the names his fellow undercover agents were posting
under? Could that be the reason why they will never post a list of
names themselves? If you ever read a response to this article from
someone trying to invalidate this list of names, just ask them this
one simple question: "Where is your list of the names the church of
scientology is posting under?". Just keep asking them that simple
question and watch what happens. You'll get a 1001 excuses, but never
a list of names.

They will also try and tell you that I'm the scientologist on
this newsgroup. If they ever do, ask yourself this question: Would the
church of scientology send just ~one~ single person to "handle" this
entire newsgroup? Would they send just one person to handle a
newsgroup that can be read all over the world? Aren't there articles
being posted on this newsgroup 24 hours a day? Can one person stay up
24 hours a day? If it's just me, then who's going to "handle" this
newsgroup while I'm asleep? This newsgroup has been a tremendous
source of bad publicity for the Church of Scientology in the past. If
you were the head of the church of scientology, would you send just
one single person to handle a major source of bad publicity? Also, if
you read just a few of the articles that I've written in the past you
will know right away that I'm a critic of Scientology. At the bottom
of this article, there is a list of articles that I've posted in the
past on this newsgroup. When you have a chance, take a look at two or
three of them and then decide for yourself.

This is not a comprehensive list of all the names the church of
scientology uses to post under on this newsgroup but a list of the
names they use to attack critics with.

These are the names that the church of scientology has been using
for a long time to post under and are actively using to attack
critics:

1. "Barbara Schwarz"
( Admits her support for the church )

2. "Zinj"
( One of the sickest of the bunch )

3. "roger gonnet"
( Operates out of France )

4. "M. Rinder"
( King of the OSA agents )

5. "Larry T."
( My guess is that this is Sylvia Stanard )

6. "Magoo"
( Undercover OSA, brought down Bob Minton )

7. "Revd. Norle Enturbulata"
( His real job is to try and "Enturbulate" real critics )

8. "Barb"
( Can be nasty and crude, likes to go after newbies )

9. "wbarwell"
( Obsessed with blocking my FAQ )

10. "Android Cat "

11. "blackdove"

12. "Simkatu"
( Defends Tory's rep, could be one of Tory's sock puppets )

13. "Muldoon"

14. "Hartley Patterson"

15. "Ball of Fluf"

16. "Heffer"

17. "realpch"

18. "Rick Sherwood"
( an attack dog for Tory )

19. "Andrew Robertson"
( Likes to try and make the critic wrong )

20. "Genesis"

21. "ewsnead"

Here are names that the church of scientology just made up recently to
attack real critics with:

1. "Orkeltatte aka Ulf Brettstam"

2. "olih...@yahoo.com"

3. "Scientomogy.info"

4. "John Dorsay"

5. "zeeorger"

6. "moontaco"

Here are names the church of scientology just made up for the purpose
of junking up the newsgroup in order to nullify it. Mostly these are
being put up by their computers automatically:

1. "One of the many fans of the http://www…"
2. "Mary Rathbun"
3. "I am being defamed and forged here"
4. "auto...@gmail.com"
5. "pwalt...@yahoo.com"
6. "BarbaraSc...@excite.com"
7. "blubber...@yahoo.com"

This list is not complete, currently I'm in the process of
updating this list to better match the current situation on this
newsgroup. The church of scientology likes to keep changing the names
they post under so I have to keep updating the list to keep pace.


Truth Seeker
===========


Thank You.

===============================================================


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??. Ron Hubbard? ? ????? ??? ?? ? ?? ??? ? ? ??? ?? ?? "??? ?? ??? ???
???
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Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 9:30:11 PM2/17/06
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Temper, Temper el Peachum!

What's gotten into you Peach?

Looks like that scientologist just lost her cool! :-)

Truth Seeker
==========

Truth Seeker

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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:33:49 GMT, Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <e9gcv1dghucb5bdh1...@4ax.com>,
>asd...@yahoo.com says...
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:43:20 -0800, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Well, I always thought it was a critic. I mean, look at the stuff he
>> >choses to post!
>> >
>> >Peach
>>
>> Why would a critic create a web site saying how great L. Ron was?
>
>Because it's funny?

But if all he wanted to do was to crack people up wouldn't he just
post a picture of your face?


Truth Seeker
==========

Truth Seeker

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Feb 17, 2006, 9:32:55 PM2/17/06
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On 17 Feb 2006 17:50:59 -0800, "Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

He can't quote his boss you silly fool!


Truth Seeker

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On 17 Feb 2006 18:12:37 -0800, "Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

>ARS does not need any more junk postings. People need ideas and
>information.

Then ARS needs to get rid of you. Want to really get rid of junk
posts? Then throw your keyboard in the trash.

>
>If my vote counts at all, then I vote for less "junk" on ARS.

Your vote doesn't mean crap and you know it.

Since when did ARS become a democracy?


Truth Seeker
==========

realpch

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Feb 17, 2006, 10:07:03 PM2/17/06
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Truth Seeker wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:55:50 -0800, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Truth Seeker wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:54:42 -0800, realpch <rea...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>

> >Listen, you're the idiot who spammed Tory's phone number to S&M groups,
> >you have me on your stupid list of OSA agents, and you sent me a short
> >but profanity-full email. Like, who cares what you think? You're a jerk!
> >
> >Peach
>
> Temper, Temper el Peachum!
>
> What's gotten into you Peach?
>
> Looks like that scientologist just lost her cool! :-)
>
> Truth Seeker
> ==========

Oh, I've always thought you were a jerk. A spamming jerk, determined to
drown out everyone else. Not one attempt at good usenet ettiquette. I
might have mentioned it too. I thought I'd take the opportunity to
mention it again. So now, when are you going to regale us with the list
of all the critical books about the Church of Scientology you've read
and recommend? Oh yeah, and where's the list of all the "real" critics
on the newsgroup? We've been waiting for that for a long time. You old
fraud, you!

Peach

Muldoon

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Feb 18, 2006, 11:35:43 AM2/18/06
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Truth Seeker can't recommend any critical books on Scientology, but,
looking back on it, he did recommended that someone invent a website
that exaggerated Scientology (as if that was necessary), in order to
make Scientology "look bad."

(This provides - ideally - a nice "dead agent-able" collection of
postings. Not "dead agent-able" by "Truth Seeker," who has the very
limited function of a mental-confusion spam-bot, but "dead agent-able"
by a "respected representative of the religion of Scientology." -Barf!
Remember, Scientology, these days, has to routinely "handle upsets,"
and "false data," to which new public have been exposed by the Net.
That's a big part - it thinks - of its dwindling "stat.")

Just as Scientology counts on well-meaning people, police and
government officials, and the media, to act as "dupes," and to
voluntarily (albeit unwittingly) forward Scientology's agenda, so it
counts on the unsuspecting elsewhere to do its work for them.

(Scientology prides itself on being manipulative, and - for example -
expects the masses of zombified "wogs" to buy and obey 'Dianetics!' -
all because of the "hypnotic power" of its front cover "R6 bank"
exploding volcano image. Scientology is bewildered and befuddled when
this does not occur as planned.)

Lately, the exploitation of well meaning people has most noticeably
consisted of having them make "contributions" to pay for Scientology's
various real estate holdings, but it applies to other areas.

Of course, Scientology's long term objective to "dead agent'
(discredit) the entire Net is absurd.

Nonetheless, knowing Scientology cult tactics is a good idea.

Remember, "If you know the tech, you can protect yourself from it."

Simkatu

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Feb 18, 2006, 1:40:56 PM2/18/06
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Because, Truth Seeker, YOU SAID that a real critic should create a web
site promoting scientology (incorrectly).

This, TruthAboutHubbard.com, registered under Tim Higgs, is a good
example of promoting Scientology incorrectly.

The content is so far over-the-top that it is ridiculous. The page
makes no sense to anyone except critics that already know about things
such as Lisa McPherson -- and its filled with obvious hyperbole that
even the most deluded cult members wouldn't believe it (Hubbard 1000
times smarter than Einstein?)

What do you think about Richard Behar's article in Time Magazine?

Its at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html

The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Ruined lives. Lost fortunes. Federal crimes. Scientology poses as a
religion but really is a ruthless global scam -- and aiming for the
mainstream

by Richard Behar

Do you agree with Behar that Scientology is a ruthless global scam?

--
Simkatu

Truth Seeker

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Feb 18, 2006, 2:02:55 PM2/18/06
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On 18 Feb 2006 10:40:56 -0800, "Simkatu" <Sim...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Truth Seeker wrote:
>>
>> Why would a critic create a web site saying how great L. Ron was?
>
>Because, Truth Seeker, YOU SAID that a real critic should create a web
>site promoting scientology (incorrectly).
>
>This, TruthAboutHubbard.com, registered under Tim Higgs, is a good
>example of promoting Scientology incorrectly.

How do you know that on that website it's Scientology being promoted
incorrectly? How would you know?

Could it be because you know how Scientology is supposed to be
promoted CORRECTLY! ;-)

The person who posts under the name of "Simkatu" has again exposed
themselves as a scientologist.

>
>The content is so far over-the-top that it is ridiculous. The page

Reminds me of xenu.net. The content on that website so far
over-the-top that it makes the CRITICS look ridiculous.

>makes no sense to anyone except critics that already know about things
>such as Lisa McPherson -- and its filled with obvious hyperbole that
>even the most deluded cult members wouldn't believe it (Hubbard 1000
>times smarter than Einstein?)

I'm telling you, they do think that way. Remember, I was in the church
and they do think that L. Ron Hubbards was much smarter than Einstein.
I even remember a lecture given in the early 50's where he makes fun
of Einstein. L. Ron Hubbard thought he was the smartest guy in the
world.

Truth Seeker
==========

John Dorsay

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Feb 18, 2006, 2:04:19 PM2/18/06
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realpch wrote:
> Truth Seeker wrote:

>> Tongue in cheek?
>>
>> I've got news for you but that is exactly how they believe.
>>
>> TS
>
> Listen, you're the idiot who spammed Tory's phone number to S&M groups,
> you have me on your stupid list of OSA agents, and you sent me a short
> but profanity-full email. Like, who cares what you think? You're a jerk!


Have you posted this email Peach? If not, are you willing to do so
(include full headers, please)?

Thanks, John

realpch

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Feb 18, 2006, 3:36:40 PM2/18/06
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Yes, I posted it on October 27th. Apparently he sent it to a bunch of
people got one, but here it is again:

Fuck you!



You fucking OSA whore!

Eat shit and die you fucking L. Ron ass licker!


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Then he sent this in response to my reply:

FUCK YOU!

Rea...@aol.com wrote:This is talking?

In a message dated 10/27/05 6:05:12 PM, the_truth...@yahoo.com writes:

>Fuck you!
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>Eat shit and die you fucking L. Ron ass licker!


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Muldoon

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Feb 18, 2006, 7:31:14 PM2/18/06
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Truth Seeker chose to avoid responding to the above posting.

Zinj

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Feb 19, 2006, 12:56:56 AM2/19/06
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In article <1140228757.6...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
bria...@dslextreme.com says...
>
> Muldoon wrote:
> > Zinj wrote:

<snip>

> > > But seriously volks, there's nothing particularly exaggerated about the
> > > 'Mike Rinder' (0r other) posts; it's just what Mike might say if he was
> > > being *honest*. Well, except for the fact that the 'real' Mike Rinder
> > > has a far better knowledge of the crimes of the 'Church' than the
> > > 'honest' fake one.
> > >

> > Then why not quote the real Mike Rinder?

Just theoretically, because the real Mike Rinder *isn't* honest, and,
when speaking to wogs and society at large, would not only avoid
revealing what he knows of the reality of Scientology crimes, positions
or goals, but specifically tailors his statements to best serve
Scientology's covert purposes.

> Watch out when humor becomes _repetitive_ "black PR" - It's _not_
> necessary. (And I'm not talking about probing or testing someone, or
> exploring for info.)

I agree with you. I could do without all of the 'fake' posts; parody or
not. But, ARS is not a controlled environment, and there is no way to
'stop' anyone from posting whatever they want, whether critic or clam.
It's even possible that 'Mike Rinder' *is* a clam 'op'; slightly more
subtle than Trough Slurper, and with the same intentions of disinfo and
clutter. It is less spammy (in the sense of repetition, but it's
catching up, as TS falls off.

There comes a time when the differences between the parody of
Scientology and Scientology itself are too subtle to distinguish.



> Take the time and find the actual outrageous statements - they exist.

They do, and they're valuable; more so than any parody.



> I haven't laughed once. Do you think my sense of humor is deficient?

Some of them get a tired smile from me; along the lines of 'Yup, that
sounds like Mike'.



> There's too much of it. It's spam and it ain't all that funny.

Yes, there's too much of it. But, while I haven't kept track, the
repetition is not up to 'spam' levels, and we should be careful to keep
the real distinction, since the 'Church' is so desperate to redefine the
term to justify their *real* spamming.



> ARS does not need any more junk postings. People need ideas and
> information.

It's an unmoderated forum, and, you take the bad with the good. There's
room for junk and parody and even off-topicism, but every joke gets old,
and this one is pretty old. If you know a solution, feel free to
suggest it, unless it's to migrate to a 'moderated' forum, where
'somebody' will decide what's 'valuable' or not.



> If my vote counts at all, then I vote for less "junk" on ARS.

Nobody's 'vote' counts :)
Or, I'd vote to consign World-Wide-Scientology to the ash bin of silly
history, without which this trip would not have been necessary.

Muldoon

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Feb 19, 2006, 5:16:42 AM2/19/06
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The Cult is still running its 'Snow White' operation. 'Snow White' -
"Erasing" the others' "false data," and then "filling the vacuum" with
its "true data". And, of course, the Cult is busy "dead Agenting"
(discrediting/nullifying). "Dead agenting" is to be done by various
means, including through "black PR," "black propaganda," and by setting
up others to be "embarrassed, discredited, overthrown, or removed" by
way of "dirty trick operations," one of the more "genteel"
manifestations being the spreading of bogus info, so it can later be
"disproved."

And let's not forget those three old LRH favorites, "Overwhelm,"
"Create confusion" and "Drive them crazy."

And for "new public," that would include, ultimately, "driving them
into the org," where they can be comforted by an "LRH stable datum."

And there's more to it of course, but that's a glimpse.

Right now - and for some time - the Cult has been dealing with "new
public" who arrive at its "orgs" contaminated by contact with the Net.

What we are witnessing is a small part of its efforts to "handle the
Internet."

(The above are things that you already know, of course. It's written
mainly for the ever "lurking newbie.")

Earlier, when I wrote, "If my vote counts at all," that was a low key
way of stating, "I'd like more people to understand the Cult's
tactics."

The Cult sees its future "public" being "contaminated," and it's the
"newbies" with whom it is most concerned - the people totally new to
Scientology. It yearns to easily exploit them.

The cult is also deeply concerned with people recently exiting
Scientology. It wants them to shut up, become inactive, keep their
fingers off the keyboard, and, in general, to become invisible.

And these people are mainly my concern too - except I work _for_ Xenu,
not against him.

Oh, shit, now I'm doing it. I've got to try to be more serious.

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