Scientology & Hollywood
Joe-46er
scientology. If scientology is so good why is it practiced by some of
the most depraved elements of society -- the Hollywood elite? If Tom
*Gee I think I need a new wife" Cruise, is a representative believer,
I sure don't want to have anything to do with it. The talk is high
sounding but the personal morality of its followers reminds me of
alley-cats. As much as I detest fundamentalist Christians, I'd take
them any day over scientologists. I'd rather have the former as my
used car salesman than the latter, that's for sure.
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"Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and irenotecan for thy stomach's sake." -- 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
Lisa Ruby
>If scientology is so good why
>is it practiced by some of the
>most depraved elements of
>society -- the Hollywood elite?
That is a good question.
It is true that Scientology needs the "Hollywood elite" to produce,
write, act in, and promote movies that further Scientology's New World
Order agenda.
For example, Scientologist Paul Haggis wrote the screenplay for Million
Dollar Baby--a film that promotes euthanasia.
Lisa Ruby
Lisa Ruby
>As much as I detest
>fundamentalist Christians,
>I'd take them any day over
>scientologists.
I have noticed that many (but happily not all)
ex-Scientologists on ars dislike Christians.
I have wondered if their distaste for Christians
is a hold over from their Scientology conditioning.
Or perhaps ex-Scientologists can easily see that many
who name the name of Christ do not live for Him.
Hypocrisy breeds contempt and rightly so.
>I'd rather have the former
>as my used car salesman
>than the latter, that's for sure.
>I think that in general it is fine to buy a car
>from a Scientologist if he was not in Scientology
>long enough to have his conscience seared like a
>hot iron. It takes time to train the conscience
>out of a person and many Scientoloigsts
>thankfully still have one.
I believe that many Scientologists started out
with high ideals--otherwise why would they join?
Scientology's aims appear noble in the eyes of the
casual reader.
I do not believe that few knowingly join
Scientology for the known purpose of being
trained to service the DM and the rest of the
NWO elite.
Their reasons for joining Scientology
are to help themselves and others become more
"able." They are told that only Scientology
will enable them to reach their full potential.
Consequently, Scientologists who cling to moral
ideals (and resist being molded into Hubbard's
demonic paradigm) will eventually seek to leave.
May God help those Scientologists find their way out.
Lisa Ruby
http://libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_nwo_operation.html
Skipper
Lisa Ruby <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> >As much as I detest
> >fundamentalist Christians,
> >I'd take them any day over
> >scientologists.
>
> I have noticed that many (but happily not all)
> ex-Scientologists on ars dislike Christians.
> I have wondered if their distaste for Christians
> is a hold over from their Scientology conditioning.
Not me. I consider myself a Christian. I never bought into Elwrong's
jealous nastiness about Jesus while in the cult. And here's a comfort
for you. A "Class 8" auditor who trained auditors at Celebrity Centre
up to "Class 4" left staff and joined a Christian church and fell in
love and got married. His name was Ron Santasierro as I recall.
Lisa Ruby
I believe that few knowingly join
Scientology for the purpose of
serving DM and the rest of the
NWO elite.
Lisa Ruby
>A "Class 8" auditor who trained auditors at Celebrity Centre
>up to "Class 4" left staff and joined a Christian church and fell in
>love and got married.
I am so happy to hear this.
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Joe-46er" <nob...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I keep reading about all these Hollywood stars who embrace
> scientology. If scientology is so good why is it practiced by some of
> the most depraved elements of society -- the Hollywood elite? If Tom
> *Gee I think I need a new wife" Cruise, is a representative believer,
> I sure don't want to have anything to do with it. The talk is high
> sounding but the personal morality of its followers reminds me of
> alley-cats. As much as I detest fundamentalist Christians, I'd take
> them any day over scientologists. I'd rather have the former as my
> used car salesman than the latter, that's for sure.
Good assessment! Except that it's not really "all these Hollywood stars",
if you think about it. It's just a few loud clams, snapping enough to
create the illusion of presence.
--
http://BuffaloScientologyInfo.com - http://www.xenu.net
http://PerkinsTragedy.org - http://www.xenutv.net
http://www.whyaretheydead.net
Rev Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"The anti-drug campaign sounds like a red herring to me - they are just
trying to promote Scientology in our schools. I really do not know why the
police are supporting them."
- A parent of a 15-year-old attending Secondary School in Westminster UK,
2004
*
* "We would not for a moment consider allowing Scientologists to come into
our school."
* - Joe Heggarty, governor of St Vincent's RC primary school, Westminster UK
* from The Wood & Vale newspaper, at http://tinyurl.com/5qmg4
*
* "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her
crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes
exist...."
* - L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", 1967
*
* "Dianetics has no respect for and no understanding of the complexities of
personality."
* - Erich Fromm in review, 1950
Joe-46er
religion, perhaps even the first? If so that puts it smack in the
middle of the "what do I get out of it" spirituality-awareness thing
that's infesting our nation, even some of the churches. As Rick Warren
so simply and ably put it: "It's not about US, it's about HIM (God)"
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:18:19 +0100, "Rev. Norle Enturbulata"
<earthl...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Joe-46er" <nob...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>I keep reading about all these Hollywood stars who embrace
>> scientology. If scientology is so good why is it practiced by some of
>> the most depraved elements of society -- the Hollywood elite? If Tom
>> *Gee I think I need a new wife" Cruise, is a representative believer,
>> I sure don't want to have anything to do with it. The talk is high
>> sounding but the personal morality of its followers reminds me of
>> alley-cats. As much as I detest fundamentalist Christians, I'd take
>> them any day over scientologists. I'd rather have the former as my
>> used car salesman than the latter, that's for sure.
>
>Good assessment! Except that it's not really "all these Hollywood stars",
>if you think about it. It's just a few loud clams, snapping enough to
>create the illusion of presence.
Ravegirl
autobiography is in a way the first popular "self-help" book published
in the United States, with a heavy grounding in American-tempered
Christianity. And the spiritualism movement of the 19th century laid
the groundwork for the interest in the occult, the "New Thought"
movement, Jungian and Freudian psychology, New Age philosophy, etc..
Similarly, the waves of Asian and European trade in the 17th-19th
centuries brought with it a reawakened interest in Eastern religions
and philosophy (a continuation of the same interest that had exploded
during the Cusades and the Renaissance.
In any case, Hubbard was by no means the first to pave the way in the
self-help movement--check out the long-list of pre-Victorian
"self-help" experts. He may have been (by far) the most pernicious and
devious to masquerade as one of these "experts," however, and that's
what sets him apart from all the rest! He synthesized a lot of valid
and interesting facts from a wide variety of sources, as has been
well-documented. In this respect, he's not unlike Madame B., who
plagarized the entire "doctrine" of Theosophy, Isis Unveiled, from
about 100 books, as was pretty well proven within a short time after
its publication. Scientology, I think, was based on a significantly
smaller number of books, and there are several good sources that have
conclusively shown that entire passages are lifted nearly verbatim from
existing texts.
Hubbard's writing is definitely in the popular style which is the
hallmark of the current "self-help" movement. Dale Carnegie and others
were probably just as (if not more) popular and influential in creating
the modern "self-help" style, though.
Of course, with Hubbard, once he got the cattle in the door with
Dianetics, he then pulled out the Orwellian doublespeak, the occult
levels, and the multi-layered initations to the mysteries of Xenu!
Self-help, my ass.
wcb
> Just curious, would it be fair to say that Scientology is a self-help
> religion, perhaps even the first? If so that puts it smack in the
> middle of the "what do I get out of it" spirituality-awareness thing
> that's infesting our nation, even some of the churches. As Rick Warren
> so simply and ably put it: "It's not about US, it's about HIM (God)"
Its cheap mind tricks.
DIANETICS IN LIMBO
A Documentary
About Immortality
by Helen O'Brien
1966
....
The idea of 'clearing' human beings may have been a gimmick
which Hubbard used to dramatize the theory of dianetics. Hundreds
of thousands - probably millions - of man-hours were devoted to
dianetic therapy, but the fact is that there were never any
clears, as he had described them. There were randomly
occurring remissions of psychosomatics. There were very
interesting cases of individuals who moved into a semiecstatic
state called 'optimum,' for the duration of which they posessed
heightened perceptions and experienced a sensation they
sometimes described as "walking six inches off the ground."
But the ethic and wisdom
xi
Hubbard had predicted never seemed to be part of this
phenomenal condition.
He called it 'being up the pole' and deplored it. He
said that it only endowed an individual with an ability to
'play marbles with his aberrations,' which brings to mind
the historical eccentricities of saints and mystics in various
religions. Observing these optimum individuals in the field
of dianetics, it was obvious that although they became very
happy and often exhibited unusual mental abilities, it was
more of a magnification than an improvement in quality -
an inflation, rather than an increase.
It was a wonderful experience, being up the pole. And
it came about as a result of dianetic auditing, very often.
But the phenomena were of brief duration. And while they
lasted, they were hard on the 'optimum's' associates. As
the catch phrase might express it, if he were annoying by
nature, up the pole he was intolerable. Ecstatic states are
part of the history of every human culture. The fact that
dianetics triggered them is one more indication that it has
been a valid attempt to open new avenues of thought.
.............
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:18:19 +0100, "Rev. Norle Enturbulata"
> <earthl...@invalid.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Joe-46er" <nob...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:haksa1paflee74fh3...@4ax.com...
>>>I keep reading about all these Hollywood stars who embrace
>>> scientology. If scientology is so good why is it practiced by some of
>>> the most depraved elements of society -- the Hollywood elite? If Tom
>>> *Gee I think I need a new wife" Cruise, is a representative believer,
>>> I sure don't want to have anything to do with it. The talk is high
>>> sounding but the personal morality of its followers reminds me of
>>> alley-cats. As much as I detest fundamentalist Christians, I'd take
>>> them any day over scientologists. I'd rather have the former as my
>>> used car salesman than the latter, that's for sure.
>>
>>Good assessment! Except that it's not really "all these Hollywood stars",
>>if you think about it. It's just a few loud clams, snapping enough to
>>create the illusion of presence.
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________
>
> "Take a little 5FU, leucovorin and irenotecan for thy stomach's sake." --
> 1 Timothy 5:23 (adapted)
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