Scientology Print Shop Incident
Andreas Heldal-Lund - www.xenu.net
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Scientology Print Shop Incident
Reply to: anon-8...@craigslist.org
Date: 2005-07-11, 9:35AM EDT
I work at a "national chain" print shop.
In January or February the Church of Scientology people came in
with a big print job for some special event. They had things on
colored paper, they wanted us to match the colors as much as
possible and make bound volumes of these things. We gave them an
estimate, they agreed, we did the job.
They came by and picked the stuff up. They seemed happy.
About six weeks ago they were back and furious. They said we had
kept copies of the originals. Now if we did that we'd need a
warehouse. They said copies had been leaked. We told them we did
not leak anything and in fact we rarely if ever look at what we
print except to make sure we are getting good quality copies and
binding right side up and so on.
They sent out a lawyer with some investigators. The
investigators tried to act like they were police but it was
obviously they were from some private eye company. We told them
they could look around a little if it would make them happy.
They did really lame things like look in the trash and under the
rug and in the toilet tanks!
Then they said they wanted to buy some reams of colored paper.
We said fine. They said they wanted to pick which reams they
got. Odd but fine. They must have bought 100 reams of paper.
They opened them up and looked at the pages. It seems they
thought we were hiding documents in there. They left all of the
paper in a big pile. We recycled it.
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> Good thing you got it - it's been "Removed by Craigslist Community" as
> of about 11pm. (I clicked on link at around 10:30 and it was there - I
> tried to retrieve a short time later and it was gone).
>
> ~ tikk
Was there a given reason for the removal?Perhaps it was in the
wrong area.
tikk
of about 11pm. (I clicked on link at around 10:30 and it was there - I
tried to retrieve a short time later and it was gone).
~ tikk
Lisa Ruby
to do with Scientology's "worry" that the print
shop had kept copies of their material. They are
far too calculated to choose a print shop that
would be likely to steal their occult, copyrighted
material. They would have investigated the print
shop before they entrusted them with the job.
It is likely that this was done for the purpose of conditioning the
public to think that Scientology
(acting like a government agency) can do whatever
they please-- if they have a good enough "reason."
Since Scientology accused the print shop of keeping
copies of their materials, the owner gave their
private investigators permission to search the property. Is this a good
enough reason to allow a "church" to search your
business?
Scientology is not supposed to be a government agency. Scientology is
not supposed to be acting as an agent of
the government. But they sure do act like it. If you scrutinize
Hubbard's writings, you will know why.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
roger gonnet
<desertphile@hot mail.com (Deep E-Meter)> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:12:41 GMT, tikk <tr...@tikk.net> wrote:
>
>> Good thing you got it - it's been "Removed by Craigslist Community" as
>> of about 11pm. (I clicked on link at around 10:30 and it was there - I
>> tried to retrieve a short time later and it was gone).
>>
>> ~ tikk
>
> Was there a given reason for the removal?Perhaps it was in the
> wrong area.
More probably scam cultists and their attorneys menaced them of trials...
Or the affair did not exist at all and had been posted like a joke or an OSA way
to get errors done?? Who knows, with anons...
r
WCB
> I do not believe this investigation had anything
> to do with Scientology's "worry" that the print
> shop had kept copies of their material. They are
> far too calculated to choose a print shop that
> would be likely to steal their occult, copyrighted
> material. They would have investigated the print
> shop before they entrusted them with the job.
>
Merely brain damage is all.
Ths reminds me of the old ARS tale of the Carpet Dudes..
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>I do not believe this investigation had anything
> to do with Scientology's "worry" that the print
> shop had kept copies of their material. They are
> far too calculated to choose a print shop that
> would be likely to steal their occult, copyrighted
> material. They would have investigated the print
> shop before they entrusted them with the job.
>
> public to think that Scientology
> (acting like a government agency) can do whatever
> they please-- if they have a good enough "reason."
>
> Since Scientology accused the print shop of keeping
> copies of their materials, the owner gave their
> private investigators permission to search the property.
>
> not supposed to be acting as an agent of
> the government. But they sure do act like it. If you scrutinize
> Hubbard's writings, you will know why.
>
>
> Lisa Ruby
> http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
>
I think the same thing.
It was just done as a clean sweep of the place because EVERYBODY knows
BRIDGE PUBLICATIONS? prints Dianetics and Scientology!
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Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1121241041.7...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I do not believe this investigation had anything
> to do with Scientology's "worry" that the print
> shop had kept copies of their material. They are
> far too calculated to choose a print shop that
> would be likely to steal their occult, copyrighted
> material. They would have investigated the print
> shop before they entrusted them with the job.
Ah, you've made the mistake of assuming that Scientologists are "competent"
by default.
Wrong.
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*
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*
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M.C. DiPietra
> From: "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net>
> Organization: Guest of ProXad - France
> Reply-To: "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTERCECI]>
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:07:04 +0200
> Subject: Re: Scientology Print Shop Incident
That's what I was thinking...Scn, inc. has their own publishing arm and
inside print shops.
Why would they need to go to an outside print shop, especially to reproduce
something that seems sensitive?
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barb
> "Lisa Ruby" <Commis...@groupmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1121241041.7...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I do not believe this investigation had anything
>>to do with Scientology's "worry" that the print
>>shop had kept copies of their material. They are
>>far too calculated to choose a print shop that
>>would be likely to steal their occult, copyrighted
>>material. They would have investigated the print
>>shop before they entrusted them with the job.
>
>
> Ah, you've made the mistake of assuming that Scientologists are "competent"
> by default.
>
> Wrong.
>
Competent? HAH! Listen, buddy. I have a 8.5x11 flier on my door that
says, "Be Competent. Be OT and Know It. Join the Sea Org!"
See? Proof of competence, it says so right there! :)
A few years back, the local newspaper had a Scientology insert in it.
This insert invited people to visit the org at C street, I forget the
cross road. Since our org is at 4th and Ash, Batchild and I wondered if
they were perhaps opening a new sattelite org, so we met up and went
over to have a look. It was an older building, being renovated for "loft
dwelling" and shops below. The bottom shop area was much smaller than
the current org, but has a lot of foot traffic because of the trolley
line on C street.
Turns out, the org screwed up. They spend a few thousand bucks to get
this thing printed out and distributed in the paper. However, the C
Street address was their OLD address from the 70s! Major screw up and
waste of paper, printing, and costs of distribution.
When shydavid and I were at Gold the day of the Moxon BBQ, I sternly
told Ken Hoden about the incompetence of the SD Org. I wonder if that
went anywhere? He had other things on his mind at the time, like getting
david and me out of the area before the media arrived.
Heh.
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barb
> Lisa Ruby wrote:
>
>
>>I do not believe this investigation had anything
>>to do with Scientology's "worry" that the print
>>shop had kept copies of their material. They are
>>far too calculated to choose a print shop that
>>would be likely to steal their occult, copyrighted
>>material. They would have investigated the print
>>shop before they entrusted them with the job.
>>
>
>
> Merely brain damage is all.
>
> Ths reminds me of the old ARS tale of the Carpet Dudes..
>
>
>
Still funny after all these years!
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/carpet-dudes.htm
Dilbert Perkins
Lisa Ruby
>Ah, you've made the mistake of assuming that Scientologists >are "competent"
>by default.
>Wrong.
What is wrong is to cause people to underestimate Scientology.
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Ball of Fluff
"Dilbert Perkins" <dilbert...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EkkBe.2076$mN1....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
Wow, talk about paranoid.
Hubbard's paranoia still infests CofS.
Though I think the current regime is even more paranoid...
C
Lisa Ruby
>When shydavid and I were at Gold the day of the Moxon BBQ,
Why did you refer to Stacy Moxon's death as a BBQ?
Lisa Ruby
http://www.libertytothecaptives.net
Hartley Patterson
> Though I think the current regime is even more paranoid...
Tain't paranoia if it's true - look at all the leaked memos that find their
way to the Internet. There are moles and squirrels everywhere.
A lot more stuff reaches ARSCC of course but will not be released at this
time. We're saving it up for the big court cases. Your shredders won't save
you this time guys!
--
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Still looking for 8,900,000 Scientologists (TM)
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Lulu Belle
> > From: "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net>
> > Organization: Guest of ProXad - France
> > Reply-To: "roger gonnet" <r...@antisectes.net[OTERCECI]>
> That's what I was thinking...Scn, inc. has their own publishing arm and
> inside print shops.
>
> Why would they need to go to an outside print shop, especially to reproduce
> something that seems sensitive?
I think you are confusing the design and creation end of the publishing
process with the actual printing end. It's true that Scientology
designs most or all of their stuff internally, although there is or has
been some stuff that does go out to outside designers and artists.
However, Scientology buys out all their printing. They do have some
limited printing facilities at middle management or at Int for
confidential materials, but everything else goes out to regular "wog"
printers. There may be an occasional Class V org that has a small
press, but other than that, all the lower orgs buy out their stuff too.
There had been talk for years about the church buying a central
facility to do all its printing but to my knowledge it's never
happened.
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
> In response to my post Norle Enturbulata wrote:
>
>>Ah, you've made the mistake of assuming that Scientologists >are
>>"competent"
>>by default.
>
>>Wrong.
>
> What is wrong is to cause people to underestimate Scientology.
Alas, I assumed that your black helicopterisms were obscuring your view of
the cult. My apologies!
It doesn't take much brains to be part of an organized group of people, it
just takes organization. Even if millions of people are involved, and all
they've got is forward momentum by reason of sheer numbers and a little
organization, all it takes is a dose of the Truth, spread liberally, to
unravel the entire affair.
Scientology's momentum stalled before the 90s swept in, and its death throes
are seen in the rabid behavior of its deluded members and 'leaders' over the
past 15 or so years.
Tom "little squirt" Cruise's weird antics are of course the tip of the
asbestos-berg, but nonetheless a doorway to the Truth, as far as the public
goes. The inanity going on behind the scenes will be the dry rot that
eventually will cause the cult's total collapse. And it is in the dying
moments that the Scientology cult will be the most dangerous, but also the
most helpful to Wog(tm) world, giving everyone an example of What Not To
Belong To that may unfortunately rival the Jim Jones situation. Hopefully
before this happens most members of the Scientology CULT will have departed
to get back some of their own independant lives.
Then perhaps another 25 years of former dupes getting their lives back in
order, and most likely helping to keep new "raw meat" from becoming new
dupes of Scientology.
Scientology cannot stop the truth anymore. There's just too many ways to
find it without much searching.
(Hint to clams: most folks don't just rely on Google for their Internet
searching! You've got a lot more coverage needed to keep the truth
obscured!)
Android Cat
> Ball of Fluff getof...@fluffentology.com:
>
>> Though I think the current regime is even more paranoid...
>
> Tain't paranoia if it's true - look at all the leaked memos that find
> their way to the Internet. There are moles and squirrels everywhere.
http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9507/df950728.jpg
> A lot more stuff reaches ARSCC of course but will not be released at
> this time. We're saving it up for the big court cases. Your shredders
> won't save you this time guys!
After someone blows and causes a flap, they claim that person was an
infiltrator. How come they never find these infiltrators when they're in or
trying to join? I guess they'd better step up the security.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Keith Henson
<androi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hartley Patterson wrote:
snip
>> A lot more stuff reaches ARSCC of course but will not be released at
>> this time. We're saving it up for the big court cases. Your shredders
>> won't save you this time guys!
>
>After someone blows and causes a flap, they claim that person was an
>infiltrator. How come they never find these infiltrators when they're in or
>trying to join? I guess they'd better step up the security.
This story is as much of a mystery as the identity of Faxhor--and a
bunch of people know what a pain in the ass *that* was to solve.
The ARSCC is set up loose enough that there could be an op going on
for some time before the cabal was fully aware of it. But since
bragging rights are part of the pay, you would think (if the ARSCC was
involved) that a number of people would know by now.
I have asked around and come up with bubkes. The only remote
possibility is "TABBY" because it was on the East coast. ("SIAMESE"
was in the same time frame early this year but on the other coast.)
There are (at least) two possibilities. One is that there is another
group out there we don't know about. That seems unlikely, because
even a three letter agency is going to talk to the web site people who
have deep knowledge of the cult.
Another is that scn just got some kind of wild hair about someone
blowing and taking materials they could swap for a PC folder full of
blackmail materials later.
That business of going through reams of colored paper would sound
completely mad except that the cult is involved and you just expect
madness. (And PIs and lawyers.)
Keith Henson
Mark Thorson
> There are (at least) two possibilities. One is that there is another
> group out there we don't know about. That seems unlikely, because
> even a three letter agency is going to talk to the web site people who
> have deep knowledge of the cult.
What group could possibly have the motivation and the
resources of highly trained, skilled Dianeticists that could
actually penetrate higher levels of Scn strata?
Hint: its initials are FZ. :-)
M.C. DiPietra
> From: "Lulu Belle" <exes...@yahoo.com>
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
> Date: 14 Jul 2005 02:36:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: Scientology Print Shop Incident
>
Thanks for making that 'clear.'
[sorry]