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Stormin Mormon

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Apr 7, 2012, 11:57:08 AM4/7/12
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The group hasn't changed.

Christopher A. Young
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Bony Moronie

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Jul 29, 2012, 5:04:00 PM7/29/12
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Yet you are still here posting as of today July, 29th.

Stormin Mormon

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Jul 29, 2012, 6:58:17 PM7/29/12
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Been away for a while. Came back to have a look around. I am, again,
disappointed.

Christopher A. Young
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"Bony Moronie" <out_...@reallybig.net> wrote in message
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�R.Measures

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Jul 30, 2012, 5:07:15 AM7/30/12
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In article <ggjRr.122351$BK5....@news.usenetserver.com>, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Been away for a while. Came back to have a look around. I am, again,
> disappointed.
>
�� LdSism is bound to disappoint eventually since it began as a crafty
expedient created by a horndog in order for him to have extramarital
pussy.

sully

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On Jul 29, 3:58 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Been away for a while. Came back to have a look around. I am, again,
> disappointed.
>

I'm not, I think it's as interesting as ever.

For example, I thought it was pretty cool how
you summarily dismissed the Book of Abraham
and Pearl of Great Price in another thread.
You said Kolob was
in a hymnal somewhere maybe, when indeed:

"9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of
the time of one planet above another, until
thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob
is after the reckoning of the Lord's time;
which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of
God, to govern all those planets which belong
to the same order as that upon which thou
standest."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mor/pgp/abr3.htm

Did God tell you to ignore Mormon scripture?

Stormin Mormon

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Jul 30, 2012, 4:41:49 PM7/30/12
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Correction. God told me to ignore anti-Mormon web sites.

Christopher A. Young
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AGAINST SOCIALISM

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Jul 30, 2012, 7:16:48 PM7/30/12
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listen to feelings and ignore the facts...

http://www.truthandgrace.com/

On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Correction. God told me to ignore anti-Mormon web sites.
>
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>  www.lds.org
> .
>
> "sully" <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Stormin Mormon

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Jul 30, 2012, 9:03:50 PM7/30/12
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Tries to deny testimony, and confuse true believers.

Christopher A. Young
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Erick Esquivel <G><

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Jul 30, 2012, 10:39:31 PM7/30/12
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I came a across a post you made back in 11-17-2003, 7:32 PM

And you Christopher A. Young revealed the following about yourself:

I *AM* an installer (of Aprilaire Automatic Humidifiers, with a rusty
station wagon with the PVC ladder rack on top....)

-do you remember CBHvac <webmaster@@carolinabreezehvac.com> reply:

B U L L S H I T

You, Chris boy....are not even to hack...but the competent readers in
both groups know that aleady...

[[So, you are a "hacker" --- how revealing, Chirstopher. <G><]]

Tell me...[Christopher] when was the last time the state of NY issued
you a permit with your licence number on it? ~webmaster CBHvac

Cant answer that one can you?

Christopher A. Young do you remember how you confuse webmaster CBHvac?

You said: "I realize that you have an internal need to criticize
others. I've progressed past that point, and have no need to engage in
criticism." ~ Christopher A. Young

[[So, not only are you bad hacker, you are also a *LIAR* for you have
a big need to criticize ERICK past the point of no return, and you a
show even bigger need to engage in criticism of ERICK.]]

-You have a trail of being a hack, read what C.J.
<bikeco...@rcn.com> wrote in a message about you on 11-18-2003:

Chris is a hack. Plain and simple. CB and a lot of the otehrs in the
alt.hvac group have 15 or more years experience. Chris has 3 years.
Experience talks. Hacks need to walk.

[[Very revealing, I think I am going search every time you lie, to see
if others are saying the same thing online. This is going to be
revealing; don't you? Whenever you make lie, that is your gift to
others. Only a person full of hate, can be like you. What do you gain
by being hated everywhere you go? Wise-up, life is more than being a
hack, a troll, don't you think. I suspect that you are not even the
installer you claim to be, but you the webmaster upset for three
years, but he caught on to your games. Now you are here pretending to
be a good Mormon, but that is another role game with you, I know for
The SPiRiT of GoD reveals your secrets to His servants.]]

Erick Esquivel <G><

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Jul 30, 2012, 10:44:07 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:39:31 -0500, "Erick Esquivel <G><"
<sunwal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Chris is a hack. Plain and simple. CB and a lot of the otehrs in the
>alt.hvac group have 15 or more years experience. Chris has 3 years.
>Experience talks. Hacks need to walk.

correction:

>Chris is a hack. Plain and simple. CB and a lot of the [others] in the

sully

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Jul 31, 2012, 2:27:51 PM7/31/12
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On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Correction. God told me to ignore anti-Mormon web sites.
>

How is an online version of Pearl of
Great Price an anti-mormon site?

Stormin Mormon

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Jul 31, 2012, 3:54:55 PM7/31/12
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That what it was? I vaguely remember the post that you reference, and have
deleted it. Any URL with no explaination is typically Anti web site. At
least, on this usenet list.

Christopher A. Young
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.

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sully

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On Jul 31, 12:54 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That what it was? I vaguely remember the post that you reference, and have
> deleted it. Any URL with no explaination is typically Anti web site. At
> least, on this usenet list.

I believe you are dissembling here.

Let me refresh your memory, which seems to be
good enough to remember a Douglas Adams
novel but not the Pearl of Great Price.

I pointed out that I thought it was interesting
that a Mormon would deny that Kolob was
a part of Mormon teachings. You claimed
in another thread that you thought you may
have heard it in a hymn some where.

I pointed out where you should have heard
about it, in either the Book of Abraham or
the Pearl of Great Price. Indeed the PoGP
is very specific:


"9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of
the time of one planet above another, until
thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob
is after the reckoning of the Lord's time;
which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of
God, to govern all those planets which belong
to the same order as that upon which thou
standest."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mor/pgp/abr3.htm

You also claimed that what makes Mormonism
different than other Christian faiths is that
Mormons talk to god.

I asked if it was God that told you to ignore
Mormon scripture.

Stormin Mormon

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Jul 31, 2012, 8:46:29 PM7/31/12
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Next time, link to the chapter on LDS web site, and I won't be as
suspicious.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3?lang=eng

I sure don't remember "denying" that Kolob, anything. I do remember
mentioning remembering it in a hymnal. Please prove to me that I denied.
(you can't; I didn't).

You'll have to also prove to me that I said the differnce (that Mormons talk
to God) that you claim. That's a misquote. I've never written that. If you
ask, I may waste the time, and tell you what I really believe. I might
isssue a correction, so the other people on the list can see.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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Lydig Avenue Kibbitzer

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Jul 31, 2012, 9:09:57 PM7/31/12
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In article <Q0%Rr.177356$b83....@news.usenetserver.com>, Stormin Mormon
says...
>
>Next time, link to the chapter on LDS web site, and I won't be as
>suspicious.
> https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3?lang=eng
>
>I sure don't remember "denying" that Kolob, anything. I do remember
>mentioning remembering it in a hymnal. Please prove to me that I denied.
>(you can't; I didn't).
>


My response to your "hymnal" post started
off asking you very specifically:

<Just "in the hymnals,some where"?
<Not in canonical scripture?

You responded to my post.
You ignored my question as if I hadn't written it.
Why?

sully

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On Jul 31, 5:46 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Next time, link to the chapter on LDS web site, and I won't be as
> suspicious.
>    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3?lang=eng

is it different?

>
> I sure don't remember "denying" that Kolob, anything. I do remember
> mentioning remembering it in a hymnal. Please prove to me that I denied.
> (you can't; I didn't).

Yes, you are correct in that you didn't explicitly
"deny" Kolob. Another mormon did. You didn't
correct him, you agreed with him. Here was
the exchange:

******
It's in the hymnals, some where. Hi!

I don't get worried about trivia.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Nick Youngh" <dejonghn...@live.nl> wrote in message

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Moreover the planet Kolob is not mentionned at all in the BoM. nor in
any scientifical astronomic work and has to be one of your fantasies.
******

So while I stand corrected that you didn't deny
Kolob, do you accept that Kolob is a real
place as Mormon doctrine claims?

In the above, you trivialize it, a common
tactic among TBMs when dealing with
scripture that makes no sense in a real world.



>
> You'll have to also prove to me that I said the differnce (that Mormons talk
> to God) that you claim. That's a misquote. I've never written that. If you
> ask, I may waste the time, and tell you what I really believe. I might
> isssue a correction, so the other people on the list can see.
>

Here's what you said in the same thread:

The archaeology is interesting. But, the witness of the Spirit is the
real
proof. Without the Spirit, the LDS church is just another Protestant
sect.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

"witness of the Spirit" is what Mormons interchangeably use
to refer to burning of the bosom. It is the communication
that God gives to you to know that Mormon doctrine is
true.

According to D&C #9:

8 But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it
out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right,
and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall
burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.

As above, in order to receive this communication
from God, you must first ask God.

Is there some other "witness of the Spirit" that
you meant, or is this the one?

Is it inaccurate that if you ask God something,
and He communicates his answer to you
thru the holy spirit that you have "talked
to God"?



Stormin Mormon

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Jul 31, 2012, 9:30:22 PM7/31/12
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Might be different. I have little trust for other web sites, I've seen so
much misinformation.

I thought Mr. Youngh said he's a historian, but definitely not LDS.

No, I didn't "agree with" him that Kolob isn't mentioned in any of the
standard works.

You are one error, after another, after another. I will waste very little
more time on you. Actually, I conclude you're a time waster. Good bye.

Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon

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Jul 31, 2012, 9:34:20 PM7/31/12
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Replies following my initials. Note to the viewing audience. Right after I
click send, I'm filtering the time waster Sully. He's written so many
errors, I decline to spend any more time after him.

Christopher A. Young
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"sully" <suls...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 31, 12:54 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That what it was? I vaguely remember the post that you reference, and have
> deleted it. Any URL with no explaination is typically Anti web site. At
> least, on this usenet list.

I believe you are dissembling here.

Let me refresh your memory, which seems to be
good enough to remember a Douglas Adams
novel but not the Pearl of Great Price.

I pointed out that I thought it was interesting
that a Mormon would deny that Kolob was
a part of Mormon teachings.

CY: From what I can remember, Youngh is atheist, and historian. Not LDS.

You claimed
in another thread that you thought you may
have heard it in a hymn some where.

CY: Yes, that's true. There is a LDS hymn, something like "if I could hie to
Kolob".

I pointed out where you should have heard
about it, in either the Book of Abraham or
the Pearl of Great Price. Indeed the PoGP
is very specific:


"9 And thus there shall be the reckoning of
the time of one planet above another, until
thou come nigh unto Kolob, which Kolob
is after the reckoning of the Lord's time;
which Kolob is set nigh unto the throne of
God, to govern all those planets which belong
to the same order as that upon which thou
standest."

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mor/pgp/abr3.htm

You also claimed that what makes Mormonism
different than other Christian faiths is that
Mormons talk to god.

CY: Which is incorrect. My actual belief is that many faiths talk to God,
and that God replies to many people of many faiths. Through various means of
reply.


I asked if it was God that told you to ignore
Mormon scripture.

CY: The answer is that God told me to read, and study Mormon scripture, and
also the Holy Bible. I seldom find anyone in the real world who misquotes me
so many times, and makes so many vague references to what I didn't say. I
conclude you're a time waster. Good bye. May your way be as pleasant.



sully

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On Jul 31, 6:34 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Replies following my initials. Note to the viewing audience. Right after I
> click send, I'm filtering the time waster Sully. He's written so many
> errors, I decline to spend any more time after him.

LOL. So much for ARM not being interesting.

This phenomenon is why I still hang in with ARM.
I've yet to figure out how ppl can believe so
strongly in something that they are compelled
to abandon reason, logic, meanings of words
in the English language, and even their own
innate sense of morality in order not to
violate their beliefs.

I'll commend Stormin' for hanging in and trying.
It's a human problem, not just Mormons.


sully

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On Jul 31, 6:30 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Might be different. I have little trust for other web sites, I've seen so
> much misinformation.
>
> I thought Mr. Youngh said he's a historian, but definitely not LDS.
>
> No, I didn't "agree with"  him that Kolob isn't mentioned in any of the
> standard works.

Why did you say you heard it in a hymn somewhere?
Why not point out all the places it occurs in doctrine?

I know the answer, btw.

>
> You are one error, after another, after another. I will waste very little
> more time on you. Actually, I conclude you're a time waster. Good bye.

If anybody else is reading this thread, I
have a guess that Stormin Mormon might
be having some doubts about his testimony.
This "blown gasket" thing looks pretty
familiar, as is the rather hollow claim about
how much happier he is now as a mormon
than his former atheist self.

Too bad that so many of the really good
ex-Mormons are gone, I really think they
could help him get through this.

We've had a lot of that here over the years
and it's a fascinating phenomenon. The
doubter typically will have been in and out
of ARM for a while, then comes in and
defends the heck out of the church to critics,
while trying to maintain their newfound sense
of critical thinking.

Then there'll be a private email to an
ex-mo on the forum, and a gradual change
of POV on the forum, first admitting the
fraud of the BOM itself, and typically asking
how to stay in the church for his wife and
family while still recognizing it's all a lie.

I'll have Just James check out this thread
and see if he agrees.

Hang in Stormin!


Just James

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What makes you think he's questioning his testimony? When I started doing that, I did not try to correct people but agreed that things were off. Quibbling about semantics is not a sign of a broken testimony.

Just James

sully

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On Aug 1, 4:25 am, Just James <james.eul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What makes you think he's questioning his testimony?  When I started doing that, I did not try to correct people but agreed that things were off.  Quibbling about semantics is not a sign of a broken testimony.

Ok, I'll accept that, nice for you to pop in!

Just James

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I stopped using Thunderbird as my email client and just use the web now which was how I checked the newsgroup. Googl's interface is a bit sloppy, but it is better than it used to be.

sully

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Aug 3, 2012, 2:50:43 PM8/3/12
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BTW, another hint at my thesis. Stormin just
went away. He was only supposed to plonk
me, not leave.


John Manning

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Aug 3, 2012, 3:36:03 PM8/3/12
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He likely figured that your intelligent and sincere comments
weren't 'faith-building'. In other words, he's out of his apparently
fragile Mormon testimony 'group-think' element when he shows up in the
real world.




sully

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Aug 3, 2012, 3:57:19 PM8/3/12
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Mormons are extinct on ARM now, I try
to handle them with kid gloves.

We probably should set up some sort of
re-introduction program for them, as
wildlife biologists have done with
the Southwest Red Wolf, and with
California Condors.

John Manning

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Aug 3, 2012, 4:22:49 PM8/3/12
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LOL...

I really think that in order for strictly Mormon internet
forums to sustain themselves, they have to be monitored and
have censors to keep out the documented materials that expose
the variety of undeniably bizarre, ugly, shameful and
embarrassing facts about their history.






Bony Moronie

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:41:49 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Correction. God told me to ignore anti-Mormon web sites.

Try this
http://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=kolob

Bony Moronie

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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:44:07 -0500, "Erick Esquivel <G><"
Claims to be a locksmith now. Check out those groups. Admits being
baffled trying to install simple locks and just walked off the job
because it was too hard.

Wants to charge a customer an "appointment fee" when he never gave the
guy a time that he would get around to coming out and never did the
job. He "decided" to call the guy back and was mad the guy found
someone that actually did the job instead of waiting for him to
"decide" to call back.
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