The LDS [Mormon] Temple Oath of Vengeance
John Manning
REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A *GENUINE RESTORED* *CHRISTIAN*
TEMPLE
Sick bastards.
The LDS [Mormon] Oath of Vengeance
Following Joseph Smith's martyrdom, Brigham Young introduced an oath in
the LDS Temple endowment ceremony which required members to swear
vengeance "upon this nation." It became the subject of a United States
Senate Investigation.
Reed Smoot was a Mormon Apostle who had been elected a Senator from
Utah. In 1903 a protest was filed in the United States Senate to have
Hon. Smoot removed from office, on the grounds that he had taken this
treasonous oath in the endowment ritual. The complete record of this
episode was published in:
U.S. Senate Document 486 (59th Congress, 1st Session) Proceedings Before
the Committee on Privileges and Elections of the United States Senate in
the Matter of the Protests Against the Right of Hon. Reed Smoot, a
Senator from the State of Utah, to hold his Seat. 4 vols.[+1 vol. index]
(Washington: Government Printing Office, 1906)
Several former Mormons revealed the content of this oath. The wording
was as follows:
"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and
never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets
upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and
to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
The oath remained a part of the temple rituals until February 15, 1927.
Darrick
When I was a Mormon missionaries I had "Christians" tell me the
following:
"I'm gonna fucking KILL you MOTHER FUCKERS!"
"Oh...you're Mormons? Hey, you're mother is a pig that should have
been slaughtered before you were born? Get out of her before I cut
your fucking throats!"
We had "Christians" all the time threaten us, and speak of BLOODY
MURDER!!!
So, are these "good people"in your estimation? Or were THEIR blood
threats justified?
John Manning
> John,
>
> When I was a Mormon missionaries I had "Christians" tell me the
> following:
>
> "I'm gonna fucking KILL you MOTHER FUCKERS!"
>
> "Oh...you're Mormons? Hey, you're mother is a pig that should have
> been slaughtered before you were born? Get out of her before I cut
> your fucking throats!"
>
> We had "Christians" all the time threaten us, and speak of BLOODY
> MURDER!!!
>
> So, are these "good people"in your estimation? Or were THEIR blood
> threats justified?
Are you saying that the Temple Oath of Vengeance represents 'real'
Christianity?
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<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
• There you go again John, changing the meaning of something entirely by
taking it out of context.
--
R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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<3abb4ab7-0a91-4568...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Darrick <darrick...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> John,
>
> When I was a Mormon missionaries I had "Christians" tell me the
> following:
>
> "I'm gonna fucking KILL you MOTHER FUCKERS!"
>
> "Oh...you're Mormons? Hey, you're mother is a pig that should have
> been slaughtered before you were born? Get out of her before I cut
> your fucking throats!"
>
** Darrick == Is this where you came up with the idea that all Mormon
women should have their throats cut?
- end -
> We had "Christians" all the time threaten us, and speak of BLOODY
> MURDER!!!
>
> So, are these "good people"in your estimation? Or were THEIR blood
> threats justified?
>
--
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<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> Darrick wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > When I was a Mormon missionaries I had "Christians" tell me the
> > following:
> >
> > "I'm gonna fucking KILL you MOTHER FUCKERS!"
> >
> > "Oh...you're Mormons? Hey, you're mother is a pig that should have
> > been slaughtered before you were born? Get out of her before I cut
> > your fucking throats!"
> >
> > We had "Christians" all the time threaten us, and speak of BLOODY
> > MURDER!!!
> >
> > So, are these "good people"in your estimation? Or were THEIR blood
> > threats justified?
>
>
>
> Are you saying that the Temple Oath of Vengeance represents 'real'
> Christianity?
>
** gotcha
John Manning
But I thought it was a straw man. <chuckle>
Caleope
"John Manning" <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:ce-dneiex_A4_d3V...@giganews.com...
>
>
> REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A *GENUINE RESTORED* *CHRISTIAN*
> TEMPLE
>
> Sick bastards.
>
>
> The LDS [Mormon] Oath of Vengeance
>
Sounds real Christian of them. Apparently they never actually read and
studied the Bible.
Caleope
"Darrick" <darrick...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3abb4ab7-0a91-4568...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
John,
When I was a Mormon missionaries I had "Christians" tell me the
following:
"I'm gonna fucking KILL you MOTHER FUCKERS!"
"Oh...you're Mormons? Hey, you're mother is a pig that should have
been slaughtered before you were born? Get out of her before I cut
your fucking throats!"
We had "Christians" all the time threaten us, and speak of BLOODY
MURDER!!!
So, are these "good people"in your estimation? Or were THEIR blood
threats justified?
Real Christians don't use that kind of language or threaten people.
Ron Ford
> "You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never
> cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon
> this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your
> children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
>
>
> The oath remained a part of the temple rituals until February 15, 1927.
>
> http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/oathvenge.shtml
I'd never heard this before. How else would I not recognize the endowment
ceremony from 1840?
--
"We wouldn't have a police department that had to show a profit every
year - or a fire department that had to show a profit every year. We
shouldn't do that with our health care system, either."
~~ Michael Moore
Nancy
Smith, or the presidency, without question or inquiry, and that if there
were any that would not, they should have their throats cut from ear
[to] ear."
- Sidney Rigdon letter to Orson Hyde, October 21, 1844, in
Nauvoo Neighbor, December 4, 1844; see also Quinn, Mormon Hierarchy:
Origins of Power, p. 94;
online at
http://www.exmormon.org/pattern/mos123.htm
How's this for treating a "Witness of the BoM, in whose home the church
started?
"While we were gone Jo. & Rigdon & their band of gadiantons kept up a
guard and watched our houses and abused our families and threatened them
if they were not gone by morning they would be drove out & threatened
our lives if they [the Danites] ever saw us in Far West."
- John Whitmer, McKiernan and Launius, The Book of John
Whitmer, p. 165
"john p"
> Real Christians don't use that kind of language or threaten people.
It would be more accurate to say that "good christians" don't talk
like that. It could equally be said that good (moral) mormons don't
talk like that. Of course one difference is good (obedient but not
moral) mormons in the early mormon church would take the Vengeance
Oath and some acted on it. The Book of Mormon is a 19th century
american and christian product of the times--Joseph took prevailing
issues and beliefs and made it into a bible. A couple of big issues
or beliefs of the time that he stole include the belief that the
Natives were jewish decedents and that dark skin was a curse from god
were not novel to JS.
The BoM even teaches against polygamy. He added that stuff after he
had sucked in regular christians into his cult.
john p
--
Very often what was a lie in the
father, becomes a conviction in the son. --- Nietzsche
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<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
• the number of LdS apologist excuses is pretty close to infinite.
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<589b70ea-89d6-4561...@b5g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
"\"john p\"" <john....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 3:23 pm, "Caleope" <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> > Real Christians don't use that kind of language or threaten people.
>
> It would be more accurate to say that "good christians" don't talk
> like that. It could equally be said that good (moral) mormons don't
> talk like that. Of course one difference is good (obedient but not
> moral) mormons in the early mormon church would take the Vengeance
> Oath and some acted on it. The Book of Mormon is a 19th century
> american and christian product of the times--Joseph took prevailing
> issues and beliefs and made it into a bible. A couple of big issues
> or beliefs of the time that he stole include the belief that the
> Natives were jewish decedents and that dark skin was a curse from god
> were not novel to JS.
>
> The BoM even teaches against polygamy. ..
** J.P. == That was before Joseph's Jacob's gland was unfairly
overwhelmed by the combined pheremone output of the two pairs of virginal,
nubile, receptive, orphaned sisters that were lodged just down the hall
from the wonderful prophet's sleeping quarters.
John Manning
Variations on the Mormon Shuffle.
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<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
• The amazing thing is that they don't seem to realize what they are doing.
John Miles
".R. L. Measures" <2...@vc.net> wrote in message
news:2-3005081...@10.0.1.200...
> taking it out of context.
Just curious if Manning & Diana are disturbed
by the saints in the Bible crying out for their
blood to be avenged. And what do they think
of God's response?
Rev 6:9-11
9 And ... I saw under the altar the souls
of them that were slain for the word of God,
and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice,
saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every
one of them; and it was said unto them, that
they should rest yet for a little season, until
their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were, should be
fulfilled.
Rev 16:5-7
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say,
Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and
wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged
thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints
and prophets, and thou hast given them blood
to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say,
Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and
righteous are thy judgments.
--John Miles,
who simply notes that with a little
commentary (which some will no
doubt provide), God could be made
to look downright sadistic.
John Miles
> taking it out of context.
Just curious if Manning & Nancy are disturbed
Ramona
> "John Manning" <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
Ezek 25: 17 And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious
rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my
vengeance upon them.
Jer : 51 6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his
soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the
Lord’s vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.
36 Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will plead thy cause,
and take vengeance for thee; and I will adry up her sea, and make her
springs dry.
Deut 32 : 35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot
shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and
the things that shall come upon them make haste.
#
Ps. 94: 1
1 O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance
belongeth, shew thyself.
#
Ps. 149: 7
7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the
people;
#
Rom. 12: 19
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto
wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the
Lord.
#
Heb. 10: 30
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I
will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his
people.
Clearly you don't know your own bible.
Ramona
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<toREMOV...@neStworld.com> wrote:
** John M. == My impression is that on average c. 95% of the Bible was
written by holy men who wholly made up what they wrote.
cheers
John Manning
I'm not sure about exact numbers, but yes.
John Manning
The Book of Revelation remains an undeciphered enigma. One can give it
no consensus interpretation.
However, I'd like to see a similar New Testament comparison from Mr
Miles to the disgusting secret gruesome blood and guts death oaths taken
in the early LDS Temple endowment ceremony:
Early Penalty of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
the secrets of this, the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its
accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our
throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by our roots.
Early Penalty of the Second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
the secrets of this, the Second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with
its accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree to
have our breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn out from our
bodies and given to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field.
Early Penalty of the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood
We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
the secrets of this, the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood, with
its accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that
our bodies be cut asunder in the midst and all our bowels gush out.
Sources of Information: U.S. Senate Document 486; "Endowment Oaths and
Ceremonies" in Salt Lake Tribune, February 8, 1906
http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/penalty.shtml
> --John Miles,
> who simply notes that with a little
> commentary (which some will no
> doubt provide), God could be made
> to look downright sadistic.
The god of the OT was in many places therein, in my view, created in the
image and likeness of the semi-savage barbaric tribes of that time frame
- and bears little in common with Jesus and God the Father in the New
Testament.
It appears to me that the Mormons have themselves invented their own
version of a Mormon god the father and they even claim that their
fabricated 'god' was once a man just like you and me:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits
enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret...
It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the
character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.
Here, then, is eternal life--to know that only wise and true God, and
you have got to learn how to become Gods yourselves, and to be kings and
priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you. ..
God himself, the father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus
Christ."
~~ Prophet Joe Smith Jr, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 342-345,
also quoted heavily by the church, see Gospel Principles, Chapter 47.
I AM
You have threatened my life you son of a bitch.
You tried to kill me.
End transmission.
On Jun 2, 11:50 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
> John Miles wrote:
> > ".R. L. Measures" <2...@vc.net> wrote in message
> >news:2-3005081...@10.0.1.200...
>
> >>In article <ce-dneiex_A4_d3VnZ2dnUVZ_q7in...@giganews.com>,
> >>John Manning
> Ceremonies" in Salt Lake Tribune, February 8, 1906http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/penalty.shtml
>
> > --John Miles,
> > who simply notes that with a little
> > commentary (which some will no
> > doubt provide), God could be made
> > to look downright sadistic.
>
> The god of the OT was in many places therein, in my view, created in the
> image and likeness of the semi-savage barbaric tribes of that time frame
> - and bears little in common with Jesus and God the Father in the New
> Testament.
>
> It appears to me that the Mormons have themselves invented their own
> version of a Mormon god the father and they even claim that their
> fabricated 'god' was once a man just like you and me:
>
> "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits
> enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret...
>
> It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the
> character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us.
>
> Here, then, is eternal life--to know that only wise and true God, and
> you have got to learn how to become Gods yourselves, and to be kings and
> priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you. ..
>
> God himself, the father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus
> Christ."
>
> ~~ Prophet Joe Smith Jr, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 342-345,
> also quoted heavily by the church, see Gospel Principles, Chapter 47.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
John Manning
Oh, but it was even 'more' vile, gruesome and bloody in LDS Temple:
AND AGAIN, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A *GENUINE RESTORED* *CHRISTIAN* TEMPLE
Sick bastards.
Early Penalty of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
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<jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
• Someday I wouldlike to talk to the guy who wrote Numbers and find out
what the Jewish army did with the virgin Midianite girls they took home
with them. Another curiosity is how the virginal Lott girls
went about doing their dad on two successive nights without him
remembering anything.
Nancy
MY God didn't make me to swear to have my throat cut and my bowls gush
out like your god requires, should you dare reveal your interlocked
pinky stories to us gentiles.
How you can fall for that is beyond belief!
Sad, really sad :(
John Miles
Make that 100% for the Song of Solomon.
But my guess is that's probably your favorite
book =).
--John Miles
John Miles
news:24530-484...@storefull-3154.bay.webtv.net
Seems you've just changed the subject. I
expected no less from you and Manning.
See if you can deal with the original subject
honestly and assume someone intelligent is
on the other side who doesn't wish slither
through the mud with you. Here's the original
question if you care to answer it:
[BEGIN QUOTE]
[END QUOTE]
Then again, you already knew that answering
the question would only reveal your hypocrisy--
that beam thingy Christ speaks of.
Oh, and as an aside, please don't tell me I'm
required to take anything literally in the temple
ceremony (past or present). If you made just
a rudimentary effort to be honest and without
deceit (assuming you've even made a modicum
of effort to learn about the temple and symbolism--
my guess is that your vitriol spews without effort),
you'd first get your facts straight about how *the
LDS* understand revealed symbolism--it is
understood only by revelation, as is taught again
and again by the Church.
No doubt you find the real blood and guts of the
Mosaic temple rites a delicious meal of rectitude.
Or perhaps a few live human stonings would make
you feel better (you could even interrupt the
proceedings with several good ol' "halleluyah"s
and condemn anyone who didn't join in).
As I said, with a little commentary, one can make
anything innocent look disgusting and anything
prima facie disgusting look downright sadistic.
--John Miles
John Manning
> "Nancy" <heartfo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:24530-484...@storefull-3154.bay.webtv.net
>
>>Shesh, John! (Miles)
>>MY God didn't make me to swear to have my throat cut and my
>>bowls gush out like your god requires, should you dare reveal
>>your interlocked pinky stories to us gentiles.
>>How you can fall for that is beyond belief!
>>Sad, really sad :(
>
>
> Seems you've just changed the subject. I
> expected no less from you and Manning.
> See if you can deal with the original subject
> honestly and assume someone intelligent is
> on the other side who doesn't wish slither
> through the mud with you. Here's the original
> question if you care to answer it:
>
> [BEGIN QUOTE]
> Just curious if Manning & Nancy are disturbed
> by the saints in the Bible crying out for their
> blood to be avenged. And what do they think
> of God's response?
I DID answer that Mr Miles:
>
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<toREMOV...@neStworld.com> wrote:
** The Song of Solomon is easily the most accurate book in the Bible.
IMO, whoever wrote it had extensive, hands-on experience with a number of
women who were much like Bathsheba.
> But my guess is that's probably your favorite
> book =).
>
** Not a sound wager John. However, for comedy, the Lott girls are unbeatable.
Caleope
>
> Early Penalty of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
>
> We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
> the secrets of this, the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its
> accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our
> throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by our roots.
This sounds more like SATANISM then any kind of Christianity.
<brevity snips>
Caleope
There's no comparison between the bible and the ghoulish Mormon writings.
>
> Sick bastards.
Indeed they are and right from the start.
>
> Early Penalty of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
>
> We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
> the secrets of this, the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its
> accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our
> throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by our roots.
Sounds like SATANISM to me. This is in no way related to the God of the
bible, or Jesus.
John Manning
Yeah. The Mormons don't use the cross in their churches. You can go here
to see the satanic symbols they use in their temples. Be sure to scroll
all the way down to see the pentagrams they use.
Pagan and Occult Symbols on Mormon Temples
http://www.nauvoochristian.org/pagan_and_occult_symbols.php
John Miles
Gotta give you the nod for expertise on this one, Rich.
I will now slither away in shame at my ignorance.
--John Miles
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<toREMOV...@neStworld.com> wrote:
** chortle
Ramona
half-sister was a real eye-opener, but then there was the tying up of
his son and placing him on the altar. How heart warming. Let us add
to that LOT who pretended to be drunk enough not to know that he was
having sex with his daughters. How many times was intoxication
required (along with pretended drunkenness) until they were both girls
were pregnant? Probabilities suggest it wasn't a one shot deal.
>
> Indeed they are and right from the start.
>
>
>
> > Early Penalty of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
>
> > We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
> > the secrets of this, the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its
> > accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our
> > throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by our roots.
>
> Sounds like SATANISM to me.
This is in no way related to the God of the
> bible, or Jesus.
Clearly we know that there was no Aaronic Priesthood.
I think your beliefs equally as ridiculous. You consider the LDS
religion bizarre for their use of the word vengeance, but fail to read
you own bible which quotes God as vengeful. Why the hypocrisy? Why
the cafeteria belief system, picking and choosing what you want but
then condemning those that find other verses to focus.
>
>
>
> > Early Penalty of the Second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
>
> > We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
> > the secrets of this, the Second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its
> > accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree to have our
> > breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn out from our bodies and
> > given to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field.
>
> > Early Penalty of the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood
>
> > We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
> > the secrets of this, the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood, with
> > its accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that
> > our bodies be cut asunder in the midst and all our bowels gush out.
>
> > Sources of Information: U.S. Senate Document 486; "Endowment Oaths and
> > Ceremonies" in Salt Lake Tribune, February 8, 1906
> >http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/penalty.shtml
That is a great website and you can listen to the complete ceremony.
http://www.lds-temple.org/index.php?page=audio
Ramona
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<ae59165e-b20a-4de6...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Ramona
<atlr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 4, 5:38 am, "Caleope" <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
> > "John Manning" <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
> >
> > news:D-qdnbI9Sviku9nV...@giganews.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ramona wrote:
> > >> On May 30, 7:21 pm, "Caleope" <inva...@invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> > >>>"John Manning" <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote in message
> >
> > >>>news:ce-dneiex_A4_d3V...@giganews.com...
> >
> > >>>>REMEMBER FOLKS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A *GENUINE RESTORED* *CHRISTIAN=
> *
> > >>>>TEMPLE
> >
> > >>>>Sick bastards.
> >
> > >>>>The LDS [Mormon] Oath of Vengeance
> >
> > >>>Brevity snip..............
> >
> > >>>Sounds real Christian of them. Apparently they never actually read and
> > >>>studied the Bible.
> >
> > >> Ezek 25: 17 And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious
> > >> rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my
> > >> vengeance upon them.
> > >> Jer : 51 6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his
> > >> soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the
> > >> Lord=92s vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.
> > > AND AGAIN, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A *GENUINE RESTORED* *CHRISTIAN* TEMPL=
> E
> >
> > There's no comparison between the bible and the ghoulish Mormon writings.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Sick bastards.
> I agree that there is NO comparison. Abraham making a baby with his
> half-sister was a real eye-opener, but then there was the tying up of
> his son and placing him on the altar. How heart warming. Let us add
> to that LOT who pretended to be drunk enough not to know that he was
> having sex with his daughters. How many times was intoxication
> required (along with pretended drunkenness) until they were both girls
> were pregnant? Probabilities suggest it wasn't a one shot deal.
> >
> > Indeed they are and right from the start.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Early Penalty of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood
> >
> > > We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of
> > > the secrets of this, the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its=
>
> > > accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our
> > > throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by our roots.
> >
> > Sounds like SATANISM to me.
> How long have you been a student of Satanism?
>
> This is in no way related to the God of the
> > bible, or Jesus.
> Clearly we know that there was no Aaronic Priesthood.
>
> I think your beliefs equally as ridiculous. ...
** secret tokens and real special undies are all that.