Why I Am He, saith the Lord

Art Bulla

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WHY I AM THAT ONE WHO SHOULD COME

13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself;

thy record is not true.

14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet

my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot

tell whence I come, and whither I go. John 8:13-14

The way that I am going to say the words that I speak is very important, in

that many are the misconceptions about a prophet, what he looks like, talks

like, don't the people in general recognize the Lord's anointed by the way

he appears, the way he carries himself? Joseph Smith's grandfather said

of him, "he writes like a prophet." Paul, we understand, was of short

stature, about five foot two, and bandy or bowlegged, and had a hawkish

Roman or Jewish nose, but eyes which pierced through to eternity. I have

seen as Paul, for I too have "come to visions and revelations of the Lord"

for I could not tell if I was in my body or out when I conversed with (words

fail) him face to face quickened by such power the tongue cleaves to the

roof of the mouth and stops for the inadequacy. Joseph was and is a true

prophet, for a short time after my first vision, I was given a copy of the

book which he translated. I bear record, and get over it if you can, that I

have seen and heard for myself, and have been sent as Joseph prophesied that

I would come, having the keys of the Priesthood by lineage and by right,

being accounted a direct descendant by blood of the kingdom, being a direct

descendant of David, given from before the foundation of the world as a

king and a priest as a witness, for I have seen and I have heard things

which are truely beyond the power of mere words to express, while in

the spirit, for the things of God "knoweth no man, but by the Spirit of

God".

I have received a complete volume of scripture for this generation, as

others (Isaiah, Samuel, Joseph, Ezekial, Nephi, etc.) have for theirs. I

testify boldly it is the truth, for I have received it from God, and as Paul

"preached the gosple" with much contention, even so I am not afraid of a

little contention also, for the warfare, has it not been transferred to the

earth, and only the "best men bring forth the best works"? I fear nothing,

except the might and power of the Being who spoke unto me in the vision,

which was of such power that I spoke with him in a tongue which was at once

more magnificent in its command of the things of the spirit and the

intelligence of of light and truth than English with its lack of vocabulary

can express, and I shall forever adore his presence, and my bones truely

quake at the power manifested when I receive even now revelations from him,

for he is a God of glory as Moses exclaimed, "Where is thy glory that I

should worship thee, depart from me, for where is thy glory, Satan, that I

should worship thee? For except I were quickened by his power, I should

have withered in his presence." And my natural eyes could not have beheld,

and my life has hung in the balance many times, as Paul said, "why stand we

in jeapordy every hour, if there be no resurrection?" And as Joseph my

brother whom I love more than my life, for with such brethren we could have

taken the world from the despots of the enemies of the dispersed of Israel,

for the God of Israel, saith the Lord, is he not a God of battles? I have

seen that Jesus was a warrior of the first rank, and as Joseph was chased

like a hart upon the mountains by the world with hell at its back, even so

have I, Art Bulla, and I lie not, for since my first vision, all hell has

been stirred up against me but I have been delivered from them all,

that I might sing my song, and publish salvation upon the mountains as

prophesied, for I testify that God, the God of Isaiah lives, for I have seen

him and tasted of such might, brilliance and power and honor and

intelligence the tongue cannot express it, for was I not removed out of this

tabernacle and taken up with him for a glorious space and I beheld?

And as Paul was led to Ananias to receive baptism, even so was I led

by my God to the Elders of the Church of Jesus Christ, for as there was a

controversy embroiling men of intelligence and sagacity of the time on the

subject of religion, whether God should be worshipped in Jerusalem in the

Temple, or on top of a mountain in Samaria, for they were of Ephraim and did

they not have the birthright? But Jesus, the Lord's (for the Lord said unto

my Lord, sit thou upon my right hand, until I have made my enemies thy

footstool) anointed son, but only firstborn among many brethren, as I also,

have been with him from the beginning so testify, salvation cometh of the

Jews, even so I say, salvation cometh, (and there is a second death) and I

say it boldly with all the world opposing me, salvation did come by the

Latter- Day-Saints, for I received baptism, by entering through the gate

which is truely straight and narrow and the next day being filled with such

might and joy and power I went boldly forth among the soldiers, and was not

a Green Beret, over six foot in height, was he not picked up off his feet

and set on his back by the angel of the Holy One of Israel, who is mightier

than all of the armies of the earth? I say, as that sargent of the Green

Beret attempted to play a prank behind my back, the angel defended my

honor, and that I might be free to declare the message of salvation, picked

the man off his feet effortlessly, and thrust him upon the floor unhurt.

And so I have seen and bear record that Joseph Smith was the Lord's anointed

and I am he who should come to redeem Israel by power such as has not been

seen since Enoch if the people will gather and receive counsel from the God

who is speaking now through my mouth unto thee O Israel, for I am he who

should come, even as spoken by Isaiah and Joseph Smith unto whom belongeth

the kingdom by lineage and by right, having the sealing power committed unto

me, I have been appointed at the gate for this generation as Peter, and

all power on earth or in heaven hath it not also been given unto that One

mighty and strong, O man, and none of this generation, who I testify to will

pass by me for judgment hath it not been committed unto me, O man, and O

woman, from before the foundation of the world, and have I not been sent as

him of old unto the Jews, who is my brother, even Jesus surnamed the Christ?

And did not the Jews reject him, and if ye make the same mistake as they, O

Israel, it shall be to thy peril, for my God, the God who spoke out of the

heavens to the Master-Sargent, who was cursing the Mormons to my face, as I

opened my mouth to speak, did not a voice proceed forth which shook the

ground upon which we three stood, and did not those brave men of the army of

the United States not hear and see for themselves, and my God is mightier

than any mere arm of flesh or any nuclear tipped weapon, for his power is it

not mine to wield for thy salvation, O Israel, if ye will come unto me, even

I, who art mighty and strong from before the foundation of the world,

through him who strengtheneth me?

Again, I say that I am receiving revelation upon such topics as

evolution, Adam-God, negro-priesthood, and also many deceptions practiced

upon the ignorant Gentiles by the father of lies, exposing the fraud thereof

to the whole world, and if the whole world disregard me in my message they

will only sink themselves to endless woes and destruction, for did not the

entire Roman world ignore not only Jesus, but the entire Jewish nation,

even though "salvation cometh of the Jews" as salvation in this day until

the Negro-priesthood revelation, did it not also come of the

Latter-Day-Saints and has not the world also disregarded them as it so far

has me to their peril, for their salvation hangeth upon the thread of the

surge of life which beats within my breast to the glory of the Most High

God? And is not my glory in the world to come greater for having endured

the shame of the cross also? Therefor disregard not these things and turn

not aside the just for a thing of naught as do the Gentile dogs, as Jesus

would have said, which rough things which he spake offended his smooth

contemporaries that they rid themselves of one so uncouth as to openly

speak truth. And in 1979, did I not receive my first written revelation,

the keys of the Priesthood given unto my by ordination, and the Lord gave

me further instructions, and I was, as a testimony commanded to take two of

them (written revelations) to that man who was given as my hometeacher,

as they are called, my patiently being in the Church until that point, and

my hometeacher in an enraged fury, tried to kill me for my impertinence at

having claimed what was fact, nonetheless, despite his fury. And though my

nose was broken, I did receive another revelation that very night stating

that his servants had been treated in just this way in all ages of the

world, and was not Jesus crucified by such rage as that manifested at that

time. And thus through the spirit, I had seen Satan with his chains had

blinded the minds of the Latter-Day-Saints, and they had become more

estranged and hardened than the world which they were attempting to save.

And is that man of sin, is he not revealed by these words also?[1]

I am including some of the Revelations which I have received for your

perusal as was given unto the people of old by that One who spoke unto the

prophets of Israel, even so hath he spoken in these last days unto that One

mighty and strong whose feet, are they not beautiful upon the mountains, and

who publisheth peace, and saith unto Zion thy God, doth he not yet

reign[2]? Even so judge ye, for with what judgment ye judge, that shall ye

also be judged, and I care not for this world having beheld his glory, and

again I bear testimony that I am he who should come, and though I bear

testimony of myself, yet there are ten-thousand who shall return in the day

with Enoch, who are mightier than the earth who shall also bear record of

me, for I have been visited by two, also. Even so. Amen.

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[1]2 Thess. 2:3-11

[2]See Isaiah 52.

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down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are
indebted to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how
much God has spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith

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Kevin Zoellner

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Very nice dissertation, Art
Honestly it was good, short, humble, something a true man of God would have written.
You could win over many converts with this kind of stuff.
However,
You have previously exposed yourself, For your true character can only be hidden by such sweet frosting for a short time, and then the rotten center will spew forth again.

"Verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth, or some other way? And if it be some other way, then it is not of God. And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way? If it be some other way it is not of God. Therefore, why is it that ye cannot understand and know, that he that receiveth the word by the Spirit of truth receiveth it as it is preached by the Spirit of truth? Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together."

Art, you do not teach by the Spirit of Truth, therefore we do not understand each other.

--
Kevin

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KDavis

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"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message news:<z3ET9.11151$l56.334...@twister2.starband.net>...

> WHY I AM THAT ONE WHO SHOULD COME

Hey, Art, did I ever tell you that I think you are a nut? A wacko?
You have about as much legitimacy of being a prophet as did David
Koresh, or the Rev. Jim Jones.

Is it true that "Art Bulla" is another name for "Art Bell" but only
you are more fulla bulla? ;^)

At least Art Bell knows his groupies are granola (if they aren't a
fruit or a nut, they are a flake), in your case -- you are the biggest
chunk of granola.

-Red Davis

Aaron Kim

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"KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and those that were
sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence they killed,
stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these had to hide
themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and though the
most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their society as
vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves, vagabonds,
hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.205

You need a testimony that Art Bulla is a true prophet of God . Many people
react emotionally when they read Art Bulla's writings but it is not based
factually on doctrines but just out of fear, ignorance, and wickedness. I
have a testimony that Art Bulla is a true prophet of God and receives
revelations just like all the other ancient prophets. Art has been
persecuted by not only authorities, the Mormon Church but by his own family.
He's prophesized in the Bible in Isaiah 28:2 and Doctrines and Covenants
section 85 verse 7.

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail
and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast
down to the earth with the hand.

(Old Testament | Isaiah 28:2)

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and
strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a
covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels
shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to
arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the
names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the
law of God;

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 85:7)

"Brethren, this Church will be led onto the very brink of hell by the
leaders of this people, then God will raise up the one `Mighty and Strong'
spoken of in the 85th Section of the Doctrine & Covenants to save and redeem
this Church." Brigham Young

(The Mormon Church was the true restored Church of Jesus Christ. However the
Church was on a steady slide of apostasy starting from its giving up
polygamy. The stake in the heart was when they gave the Negro the Priesthood
in 1978 because Jimmy Carter forced the IRS to threaten the Church to take
away their tax exempt status.)

Yes, there are many false prophets like the ones you mentioned David Koresh,
Rev.Jim Jones, and Rev. Moon. However Art is the real thing. Just because
there are bank robberies in the world does not mean that every one is a bank
robber is it ? I have felt the power of God shake the very frame of my body
as I was reading Revelations of Jesus Christ. Since I was baptized in March
of last year, I have regularly felt the Holy Spirit. There are others as
well who have the same type of testimonies that Art Bulla is true. I would
suggest that for those of honest of heart who have a true desire to serve
the Lord that they read Art Bulla's website and Revelations of Jesus Christ
and ask God in prayer if he is really a true prophet of God. James 1:5 says,
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men
liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

Aaron

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dangerous1

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Aaron Kim wrote:

>
> Yes, there are many false prophets like the ones you mentioned David Koresh,
> Rev.Jim Jones, and Rev. Moon. However Art is the real thing. Just because
> there are bank robberies in the world does not mean that every one is a bank
> robber is it ?

Brilliant.

> I have felt the power of God shake the very frame of my body
> as I was reading Revelations of Jesus Christ. Since I was baptized in March
> of last year, I have regularly felt the Holy Spirit. There are others as
> well who have the same type of testimonies that Art Bulla is true.

Where's Jong? He once had a testimony like yours before he woke up.

--
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Dangerous1

D1 @ Dangerous1.com
Don Marchant

"Be merciful to me O God, for men hotly pursue me;" Psalms 56:1

Art Bulla

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17 And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. But behold, we know
no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that
condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell fire.

18 And he that saith: Show unto me, or ye shall be smitten-let him beware
lest he commandeth that which is forbidden of the Lord.

19 For behold, the same that judgeth rashly shall be judged rashly again;
for according to his works shall his wages be; therefore, he that smiteth
shall be smitten again, of the Lord.

20 Behold what the scripture says-man shall not smite, neither shall he
judge; for judgment is mine, saith the Lord, and vengeance is mine also, and
I will repay.

21 And he that shall breathe out wrath and strifes against the work of the
Lord, and against the covenant people of the Lord who are the house of
Israel, and shall say: We will destroy the work of the Lord, and the Lord
will not remember his covenant which he hath made unto the house of
Israel-the same is in danger to be hewn down and cast into the fire;

22 For the eternal purposes of the Lord shall roll on, until all his
promises shall be fulfilled.

(Book of Mormon | Mormon 8:17 - 22)

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KDavis

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> "KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
> news:<z3ET9.11151$l56.334...@twister2.starband.net>...
> > > WHY I AM THAT ONE WHO SHOULD COME
> >
> > Hey, Art, did I ever tell you that I think you are a nut? A wacko?
> > You have about as much legitimacy of being a prophet as did David
> > Koresh, or the Rev. Jim Jones.
>
>
> > Is it true that "Art Bulla" is another name for "Art Bell" but only
> > you are more fulla bulla? ;^)
> >
> > At least Art Bell knows his groupies are granola (if they aren't a
> > fruit or a nut, they are a flake), in your case -- you are the biggest
> > chunk of granola.
> >
> > -Red Davis
> The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and those that were
> sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence they killed,
> stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these had to hide
> themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and though the
> most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their society as
> vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves, vagabonds,
> hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.
>
> Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.205
>
> You need a testimony that Art Bulla is a true prophet of God .

I have a testimony that Art Bulla is a false prophet, and a mental nut
case. I have a testimony that Jesus is the Christ, and that His
earthly mouthpiece is Gordon B. Hinckley, and His earthly kingdom is
the LDS Church.

These things I know to be true by a testimony of the Holy Ghost.

Art Bulla is a con man, deluded, and hypocritical. He is a wolf in
polyester clothing.

-Red Davis

KDavis

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"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message news:<h8iU9.2028$xm6.40...@twister1.starband.net>...

> 17 And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. But behold, we know
> no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that
> condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell fire.

Non sequitur.

The scriptures that are on point as to whether or not you are a
prophet are thusly (I hope you don't mind if I don't take the time to
look up the exact text):

1. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all
men liberally and upbraideth not. (James 1:5)
2. I would exort you that when ye shall receive these things, if it
be wisdom in God that ye should receive them, that ye would ask God,
the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if they be true. (Moroni
8:4)
3. Did not our hearts burn within us as we walked in the way
4. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth
good fruit (Matthew 7:16)

You lose on two counts, Art Fulla Bulla:

1. The Holy Ghost has testified to me that President Hinckley is a
true prophet of God, and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints is the one and only true Church. AND - he has testified to me
that you are a false prophet.

2. You gather bad fruit, e.g., your followers.

-Red Davis

Art Bulla

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"KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message

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> > 17 And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. But behold, we
know
> > no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that
> > condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell fire.
>
> Non sequitur.

I am judged by you and condemned by you. Why is this therefor a
non-sequitir, you fool?

>
> The scriptures that are on point as to whether or not you are a
> prophet are thusly (I hope you don't mind if I don't take the time to
> look up the exact text):
>
> 1. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all
> men liberally and upbraideth not. (James 1:5)
> 2. I would exort you that when ye shall receive these things, if it
> be wisdom in God that ye should receive them, that ye would ask God,
> the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if they be true. (Moroni
> 8:4)
> 3. Did not our hearts burn within us as we walked in the way
> 4. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
> thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth
> good fruit (Matthew 7:16)
>
> You lose on two counts, Art Fulla Bulla:
>
> 1. The Holy Ghost has testified to me that President Hinckley is a
> true prophet of God,

He does not receive and write revelation as I, Brigham Young and John Taylor
did. (Please see http://www.artbulla.com/zion/1886.html). I would like to
see one "thus saith the Lord" revelation that Hinckley or his henchmen have
ever received, you fool.

"Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in
the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the
words of the Lord. And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north
even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord,
and shall not find it." (Amos 8:11-12)

"For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept;
and I will try you and prove you herewith." (D. & C. 98:12)

"Hence it needs revelation to assist us, and give us knowledge of the
things of God. But if any revelations are given of God, they are universally
opposed by the priests and Christendom at large; for they reveal their
wickedness and abominations." (D.H.C. 4:588)

"What constitutes the kingdom of God? Where there is a prophet, a priest,
or a righteous man unto whom God gives His oracles, there is the kingdom of
God; and where the oracles of God are not, there the kingdom of God is
not.... but if we do not get revelations, we do not have the oracles of
God...." (T.P.J.S., p. 272)

"If anything should have been suggested by us, or any names mentioned,
except by commandment, or thus saith the Lord, we do not consider it
binding." (Joseph Smith, D.H.C., 3:295)

"Communication never ceased when the people were faithful .... an
unbroken stillness reigned between the heavens and the earth until the
people again repented...." (George Q. Cannon, J.D. 22:265)

"When new revelation ceases to be given officers cease to be called of
God." (Orson Pratt's Works, p. 40)

Today ....

Since the Manifesto was issued in 1890, the past 80 Years have been
silent. There has never been a revelation presented for the people to accept
or sustain at a General Conference. For nearly a century not another word
has been added to the Doctrine and Covenants.

>and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
> Saints is the one and only true Church.

"ALL IS WELL"

"Let no man deceive you by any means; for there shall come a falling away
first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so
that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is
God." (II Thes. 2:3-4)

"And others he will pacify, and lull them away carnal security, that they
will say: All is well in Zion, yea, Zion prospereth, all is well--and thus
the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to
hell." (2 Nephi 28:21)

"I have had visions and revelations instructing me how to organize this
people so that they can live like the family of heaven, but, I cannot do it
while so much selfishness and wickedness reign in the Elders of Israel...."
(Brigham Young, J.D. 9:269)

"And with regard to the conduct of this people--if an angel should come
here and speak his feelings as plainly as I do, I think he would say, `O,
Latter-day Saints' why don't you see, why don't you open your eyes and
behold the great work resting upon you and that you have entered into? You
are blind, you are stupid, you are in the dark, in the mist and fog,
wandering to and fro like a boat upon the water without sail, rudder or oar;
and you know not whither you are going." (Brigham Young, J.D. 19:93)

"We are getting into such a condition that if we were to meet the Lord,
we could not look him in the face, and the way we are going it will soon be
impossible to tell what we do believe." (John Taylor, Des. News, Mar. 9,
1889)

"Let the majority of the people turn away from the Holy Commandments
which the Lord has delivered to us, and cease to hold the balance of power
in the Church, and we may expect the judgements of God to come upon us...."
(Brigham Young, J.D. 10:335)

Today ....

We are now told that things are well in Zion--because the Church prospers
more than ever before in membership, wealth and popularity. But 70% of the
Church is inactive!

> AND - he has testified to me
> that you are a false prophet.
>
> 2. You gather bad fruit, e.g., your followers.

You have never met or I doubt know anything about my followers. They are
seeking the Kingdom of God with all their mind, might and strength, and if
they are not, I will not have anything to do with them. Therefore I judge
you to be a sick cultist sectarian knee-jerk cultural Mormon who falls,
saith the Lord, into the following category:

7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with
their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of
men.

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh
out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the
Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not
planted, shall be rooted up.

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead
the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

(New Testament | Matthew 15:12 - 14)

98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is
one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one
from another in glory in the telestial world;

99 For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas (and
Hinckley).

100 These are they who say they are some of one and some of another-some of
Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of
Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch;

101 But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the
prophets, neither the everlasting covenant.

102 Last of all, these all are they who will not be gathered with the
saints, to be caught up unto the church of the Firstborn, and received into
the cloud.

103 These are they who are liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and
whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.

104 These are they who suffer the wrath of God on earth.

105 These are they who suffer the vengeance of eternal fire.

106 These are they who are cast down to hell and suffer the wrath of
Almighty God, until the fulness of times, when Christ shall have subdued all
enemies under his feet, and shall have perfected his work;

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 76:98 - 106)

TheJordan6

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>From: kdavi...@hotmail.com (KDavis)
>Date: 1/12/2003 4:10 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com>

And Art Bulla can tell you by the power of the very same "Holy Ghost" that you
are deluded, and that he is right.

Maybe you and he should get together in a ring and have a "Death Match of the
Battlin' Burnin' Bosoms."

Randy J.

KDavis

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thejo...@aol.com (TheJordan6) wrote in message news:<20030113182915...@mb-ml.aol.com>...

Randy, don't make fun of something you don't understand -- unless you
draw upon yourself condemnation.

Let me tell you about an experience I had as a missionary in
California:

My companion and I were going door-to-door in Sacramento when a Navy
Chaplain answered the door. We introduced ourselves, he introduced
himself and included the fact that he was Baptist. He said that he
respected LDS service personnel, but wasn't interested in the
teachings of our church. I asked him if he had ever read the Book of
Mormon. He said, "Yes, I did" I asked if he prayed and asked God if
it were true, he answered, "yes, I did". I asked, "What answer did
you receive?" He answered, tears welling up in his eyes, "I got an
answer, but it can't be true, the Bible is the only word of God." and
he shut the door.

You see, he got his answer, but he didn't agree with it. The
anti-Mormons *used* to taunt, "Put Moroni's promise to work, pray and
ask God if the Book of Mormon is true, and God will tell you it
isn't."

Well, people were praying about the Book of Mormon -- and getting an
answer that it is true, and were *joining* the LDS Church to the point
the anti-Mormons stopped advising people to pray about it as their
prayers were being answered by "the devil appearing as angel of
light."

My testimony that the LDS Church is the one and only true Church is
more than the answers to my prayers and the testimony of the Holy
Ghost -- it also includes a number of miracles I have witnessed first
hand -- including a sister being completely cured of cancer that they
were scheduled to undergo surgery for, to a brother being completely
healed of alzheimers, to my life being spared several times, to my
companions and I when I was a missionary finding those who wanted to
be taught the Gospel in miraculous ways.

You simply have no idea what you are kidding around about. I feel
sorry for you that you do not realize it.

-Red Davis

>
> Randy J.

KDavis

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"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message news:<%gFU9.47$RC6.11...@twister2.starband.net>...

> "KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
> news:<h8iU9.2028$xm6.40...@twister1.starband.net>...
>
> > > 17 And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. But behold, we
> know
> > > no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that
> > > condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell fire.
> >
> > Non sequitur.
>
> I am judged by you and condemned by you. Why is this therefor a
> non-sequitir, you fool?

Yes, we are placed here upon this earth to judge between the good and
the evil. You are evil. That is my judgement, and I stand by it.

> >
> > The scriptures that are on point as to whether or not you are a
> > prophet are thusly (I hope you don't mind if I don't take the time to
> > look up the exact text):
> >
> > 1. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all
> > men liberally and upbraideth not. (James 1:5)
> > 2. I would exort you that when ye shall receive these things, if it
> > be wisdom in God that ye should receive them, that ye would ask God,
> > the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if they be true. (Moroni
> > 8:4)
> > 3. Did not our hearts burn within us as we walked in the way
> > 4. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of
> > thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth
> > good fruit (Matthew 7:16)
> >
> > You lose on two counts, Art Fulla Bulla:
> >
> > 1. The Holy Ghost has testified to me that President Hinckley is a
> > true prophet of God,
>
> He does not receive and write revelation as I, Brigham Young and John Taylor
> did. (Please see http://www.artbulla.com/zion/1886.html). I would like to
> see one "thus saith the Lord" revelation that Hinckley or his henchmen have
> ever received, you fool.

If you will note that the Doctrine and Covenants is thusly composed:

The first 123 sections were written prior to 1840.
The remaining 15 (yes, there are only 138 sections of the Doctrine and
Covenants not including the two declarations) were written post 1840.

Why? The Lord restored His Church through the Prophet Joseph Smith
and set about His Gospel, ordinances, orders, and organizations.
Through Joseph Smith -- we received the fullness of the Gospel via the
Book of Mormon, and latter-day revelations.

New revelations, such as the revelation on priesthood received by
President Kimball, are extensions of the Gospel and general
house-keeping. We as a people must keep the commandments and
understand what we already have, before the Lord will reveal all
things unto us.

We have not done that. Myself and every member of the Church needs to
obey the commandments we already have -- instead of demanding more
revelations that we are not prepared yet to accept.

You sir, heap upon yourself false revelations, as you have itchy ears,
but cannot hear.

That's not true, again the Declaration from President Kimball. Now,
there was a revelation that accompanied that declaration that has not
been revealed to the general membership of the Church, nor to the
public.

So, you err in several things, most of all - your tragic and false
claim to be a phophet.

You are not a prophet of God. You are a prophet of man, and I rebuke
you.

-Red Davis

RTBaird

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"KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com...

> thejo...@aol.com (TheJordan6) wrote in message
news:<20030113182915...@mb-ml.aol.com>...

> >

> > And Art Bulla can tell you by the power of the very same "Holy Ghost"
that you
> > are deluded, and that he is right.
> >
> > Maybe you and he should get together in a ring and have a "Death Match
of the
> > Battlin' Burnin' Bosoms."
>
> Randy, don't make fun of something you don't understand -- unless you
> draw upon yourself condemnation.
>

A lot of us "understand". You're being a little slow, however.

Condemnation? Many of us have already be cursed by Art Bulla, and that
didn't do a darn thing. No doubt your threat is equally vacuous, for
exactly the same reasons.

> Let me tell you about an experience I had as a missionary in
> California:
>
> My companion and I were going door-to-door in Sacramento when a Navy
> Chaplain answered the door. We introduced ourselves, he introduced
> himself and included the fact that he was Baptist. He said that he
> respected LDS service personnel, but wasn't interested in the
> teachings of our church. I asked him if he had ever read the Book of
> Mormon. He said, "Yes, I did" I asked if he prayed and asked God if
> it were true, he answered, "yes, I did". I asked, "What answer did
> you receive?" He answered, tears welling up in his eyes, "I got an
> answer, but it can't be true, the Bible is the only word of God." and
> he shut the door.
>
> You see, he got his answer, but he didn't agree with it. The
> anti-Mormons *used* to taunt, "Put Moroni's promise to work, pray and
> ask God if the Book of Mormon is true, and God will tell you it
> isn't."
>

You know how many times I've heard a mormon get up in fast & testimony
meeting and wildly embellish the telling of an experience to which I was a
witness in order to be "faith promoting"? That kind of lying is intrinsic
to mormonism, why should anyone believe your story?

> Well, people were praying about the Book of Mormon -- and getting an
> answer that it is true, and were *joining* the LDS Church to the point
> the anti-Mormons stopped advising people to pray about it as their
> prayers were being answered by "the devil appearing as angel of
> light."
>

A large number of "anti-mormons" think that such "answers" are just
self-induced manifestations of emotion, which is usually referred to as a
"feeling". What the religious-wacko "anti-mormons" think is of little
consequence, it's pot-kettle-black.

> My testimony that the LDS Church is the one and only true Church is
> more than the answers to my prayers and the testimony of the Holy
> Ghost -- it also includes a number of miracles I have witnessed first
> hand -- including a sister being completely cured of cancer that they
> were scheduled to undergo surgery for, to a brother being completely
> healed of alzheimers, to my life being spared several times, to my
> companions and I when I was a missionary finding those who wanted to
> be taught the Gospel in miraculous ways.
>

People in *many* religions make the same claims of witnessing "miracles".
That's no reason to assume that any of them are the "only true church".

By the way, your basic logic:
1) If the church is true, members will experience miracles
2) members experience miracles
3) therefore the church is true

is a logical fallacy called "affirming the consequent".

> You simply have no idea what you are kidding around about. I feel
> sorry for you that you do not realize it.
>

Methinks you could use a little waking up of your own.

RTBaird

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In article <fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com>,
kdavi...@hotmail.com (KDavis) wrote:

> thejo...@aol.com (TheJordan6) wrote in message
news:<20030113182915...@mb-ml.aol.com>...

> > >...

>
> My companion and I were going door-to-door in Sacramento when a Navy
> Chaplain answered the door. We introduced ourselves, he introduced
> himself and included the fact that he was Baptist. He said that he
> respected LDS service personnel, but wasn't interested in the
> teachings of our church. I asked him if he had ever read the Book of
> Mormon. He said, "Yes, I did" I asked if he prayed and asked God if
> it were true, he answered, "yes, I did". I asked, "What answer did
> you receive?" He answered, tears welling up in his eyes, "I got an
> answer, but it can't be true, the Bible is the only word of God." and
> he shut the door.
>

** Paul Dunne would give two thumbs up to this one, Red. [Paul Dunne is
the LDS version of James G. Thurber's "Walter Mitty"]

--
Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures, remove ^ from adr.

Art Bulla

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True Prophets: "The first Presidency have of right a great influence over
the people, and if we should get out of the way and lead this people to
destruction, what a pity it would be! How can you know whether we lead you
correctly or not? Can you know by any other power than that of the Holy
Ghost? I have uniformly exhorted the people to obtain this living witness,
each for themselves; then no man or men on earth can lead them astray."
Brigham Young; JD 6:100.

"Therefor speak unto them, and say unto them, thus saith the Lord God: Every
man of the House of Israel, that setteth up his idols in his heart, and
putteth the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to
the prophet; I the Lord will anwer him that cometh according to the
multitude of his idols: "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken
a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet..." Ezekial 14: 4,9.

False Prophets: "With warnings and safeguards such as the Lord provides,
need anyone be deceived? If we follow the President of the Church, we need
never go astray." Church News; Aug 17, 1974; p. 16.

True Prophet: "President Joseph Smith read the fourteenth chapter of
Ezekial-Said the Lord had declared by the Prophet, that the people should
each one stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of
corruption of the Jewish Church-That righteous persons could only deliver
their own souls-Applied it to the present state of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day-Saints-Said if the people departed from the Lord, they
must fall-that they were depending on the prophet, hence were darkened in
their minds, in consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon
themselves..." TPJS p. 238.

False Prophet: "When our leaders speak the thinking has been done." Ward
Teaching Lesson, June 1945. True Prophet: "No man knoweth the things of God,
but by the spirit of God." I Cor2:11. False: "...should follow the men whom
they sustain as prophets seers and revelators, for they will lead no one
astray." Church News, March 17, 1973.

"TheJordan6" <thejo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Art Bulla

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"KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
news:<%gFU9.47$RC6.11...@twister2.starband.net>...
> > "KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
> > news:<h8iU9.2028$xm6.40...@twister1.starband.net>...
> >
> > > > 17 And if there be faults they be the faults of a man. But behold,
we
> > know
> > > > no fault; nevertheless God knoweth all things; therefore, he that
> > > > condemneth, let him be aware lest he shall be in danger of hell
fire.
> > >
> > > Non sequitur.
> >
> > I am judged by you and condemned by you. Why is this therefor a
> > non-sequitir, you fool?
>
> Yes, we are placed here upon this earth to judge between the good and
> the evil. You are evil. That is my judgement, and I stand by it.

Well go to hell, then, that is your privilege, but at least allow me the
privilege of worshipping Almighty God as I see fit without heckling and
persecutions and slander and lies as shown by the coterie of queers,
effeminate, murderers, fornicators, and dogs who populate this newsgroup
like so many vultures gathered around the dead carcasses of the past
prophets.

"You will never find a people of God who have the truth persecuting another
people. If they were to do so they would cease to be the people of God. It
is the characteristic of the church of God always that it never condescends
to persecution. It does not fear the announcement of any doctrine, or any
principle, or any form of belief, or any so-called revelation. Strong in the
knowledge that they have the truth and that God is with them, such a people
can afford to let false doctrine when it manifests itself have the freedom
of action, the right of agency which God has given unto every human being
and which every human being has a right to exercise undisturbed by his
fellow man so long as he does not interfere with the happiness and the lives
and the liberties of his fellowman. *** (George Q. Cannon, Des. Even. News,
Jan. 27, 1884)

dangerous 1

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Art Bulla wrote:

>
> Well go to hell, then, that is your privilege, but at least allow me the
> privilege of worshipping Almighty God as I see fit

Likewise, you crazy old fool.

> without heckling and
> persecutions and slander and lies as shown by the coterie of queers,
> effeminate, murderers, fornicators, and dogs who populate this newsgroup
> like so many vultures gathered around the dead carcasses of the past
> prophets.
>

That about covers everyone. It's a wonder that such a saintly man as yourself
can stand being here.

D1

P.S. Where's Jong?

€ R. L. Measures

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In article <v28446e...@corp.supernews.com>, "RTBaird"
<rtb...@excite.com> wrote:

> ...

** mormons see fictional stories as following in the footsteps of Jesus
Christ since Jesus told parables - which are fictional stories. Mr. Paul
Dunne was probably the most famous mormon storyteller in the last hundred
years. Until his untruthfulness was exposed, he was in high demand by
mormon audiences.

KDavis

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First, because it is true. I don't lie. In fact, I can remember
distinctly bearing my testimony to him of the divinity of the Book of
Mormon before he shut the door, and he said that he had always been
impressed by LDS servicemen.

Second, it is very common for people to receive a burning in their
bosom in answer to their prayer regarding the truthfulness of the Book
of Mormon. That's why I am LDS, and that is why some 300,000 people
join the LDS Church each year. An answer to Moroni's promise is
hardly a remarkable event.

Third, the most understated words ever: I am not a politically
correct person who makes up faith promoting events. I call them like
I see them, and I am known for my rugged independence. For example, I
refuse to let home teachers come on Sundays (it is family day) or the
last week of the month. If they care about my family -- they better
be front and center long before they are worried about statistics. And
I am quite sure you have the experience that sugar coating is not in
my personality.

>
> > Well, people were praying about the Book of Mormon -- and getting an
> > answer that it is true, and were *joining* the LDS Church to the point
> > the anti-Mormons stopped advising people to pray about it as their
> > prayers were being answered by "the devil appearing as angel of
> > light."
> >
>
> A large number of "anti-mormons" think that such "answers" are just
> self-induced manifestations of emotion, which is usually referred to as a
> "feeling". What the religious-wacko "anti-mormons" think is of little
> consequence, it's pot-kettle-black.

Consider this: my brother-in-law (Elder Paxton) is in El Salvador on
his mission. He just wrote us (via e-mail) that a woman they
converted was physically beaten by her family for joing the LDS
Church. Pretty srong "self-induced manifestation of emotion" to stand
up to a beating by your own family members. Perhaps you are not aware
of the two disciples who were on the road to Emmaus, how, when walking
with Christ, said they, "Did not our heart burn within us, while he
talked with us by teh way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"
(Luke 24:32)

And perhaps you are not aware that whenever Christ's disciples taught,
those who listened were "pricked in their hearts" (Acts 2:37).

The power of the Holy Ghost is real, it testifies of truth by a
burning of the bosom, by pricking the heart. The witness of the Holy
Ghost cannot be denied by those who receive it.

I will give you another example: After I had finished with Dick
Baer's meeting, I went with another missionary in my district to meet
with some anti-Mormons who were associated with Baer. I can't
remember their names, but the husband was blind. The agreement was
this: if we listened to their materials, they would listen to the
discussions. One-for-one. They started off with their first "lesson"
of anti-Mormon accusations. We taught them the first discussion, then
they started down Baer's list of false prophecies. My companion and I
answered each and every accusation with ease, testifying to the
divinity of the Gospel principle involved at each step of the way.
Tears welled up in her eyes, and the Spirt bore witness that what we
were saying was true. We parted with a great spirit of truth and a
feeling of love in the room.
The next week, we went again, only they didn't want us to teach them
anymore, and they didn't want to teach us anymore. That the power of
Satan was too strongly with us. She said that Dick Baer had told her
that an Apostle (a member of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles) had told
him (Baer) privately in his office that he "knew the LDS Church wasn't
true", and that Baer told her that I (Elder Davis) was up to no good,
and that he would see to it that something would be done about it.

So, we left. But all in that room knew that there is something that
is with LDS missionaries. We claim the power of God, our enemies
claim the power of Satan.

BTW, when I asked Dick Baer for the name of the Apostle that confessed
to him that the LDS Church was not true, he said that the lady had
"misunderstood him" -- it was a Bishop that had said such. When I
asked for the name and stake of the Bishop -- Dick Baer said, "he's
dead now. So, I won't give you his name to protect his family".

I thought, "Wow, this guy is the biggest liar I have ever seen in my
life."

>
> > My testimony that the LDS Church is the one and only true Church is
> > more than the answers to my prayers and the testimony of the Holy
> > Ghost -- it also includes a number of miracles I have witnessed first
> > hand -- including a sister being completely cured of cancer that they
> > were scheduled to undergo surgery for, to a brother being completely
> > healed of alzheimers, to my life being spared several times, to my
> > companions and I when I was a missionary finding those who wanted to
> > be taught the Gospel in miraculous ways.
> >
>
> People in *many* religions make the same claims of witnessing "miracles".
> That's no reason to assume that any of them are the "only true church".
>
> By the way, your basic logic:
> 1) If the church is true, members will experience miracles
> 2) members experience miracles
> 3) therefore the church is true

No, that is not my logic, nor is that the path I took to be a member
of the LDS Church.

The path I took was this:

1. When I was almost 8, we started attending a different Baptist
Church in Lubbock, Texas. My mom prayed to know why they taught such
different doctrines. The Lord answered her that he would send his
messengers.
2. The next morning, two LDS missionaries knocked on our door stating
that the Lord had sent them.
3. My mother, myself, and my three older brothers were baptized on my
8th birthday.
4. My dad was hurt in an accident at work two months later. He was
hospitalized, bed-ridden, and unable to work for almost a year. We
lost contact with the LDS Church some 4-5 months after we were
baptized.
5. Sometime when I was 14-15, Stake Missionaries came by to check on
our family. My older brother started going back to the LDS Church.
6. I rebelled against their doctrine, and went to the Lubbock Public
Library and checked out anti-Mormon books to prove them wrong. I also
studied with friends at school and Church of Christ ministry students
on Mormonism.
7. After long study and thought, I became convinced the anti-Mormon
literature was false. It was so full of crap. However, that did not
mean the LDS Church was true.
8. I read the Book of Mormon cover-to-cover. I knelt and asked God
if it be true. God answered my prayer in no unmistakable manner -- by
a burning of the bosom (which burning I have experienced many, many
times since).
9. I converted to the LDS Church and started attending and planned on
my mission.
10. I was called to Sacramento, California on my mission. I was
known as "the lion of the Lord" and as the "Baer hunter" for my
unabashed testimony of the Gospel, and my will to enter into church's,
parishes, and synagogues to teach the Gospel. I had experience after
experience of seeing people converted to the Gospel -- including my
companion and I being lead to a person who wanted to be taught just
like the missionaries came to my mother's house when I was a child -
just one of many such instances.
11. Shortly before I was married to my wife, I was blessed with a
position with the LDS Temple Department to work full-time in the
Dallas Texas Temple assisting the Temple Recorder. I cannot even
beging to tell you the magnificent experience that was to work in the
House of the Lord every day. My wife also worked at the Temple as an
ordinance worker. Together, we cherished working there. The
experiences there were brought back to me when my sister-in-law
discovered my suit and tie (with my name badge still on the pocket)
stowed away in storage just last week. I wish all could experience
the Temple.
12. As my wife and I have started and raised our children, sought to
finish our educations, and serve others -- we have seen time after
time the hand of the Lord in our lives. However, that is too personal
for this forum.

But, let me say that my membership in the LDS Church is due to
affirming the truth -- not the consequent. My life has been full,
rich, and happy -- and it is due to the testimony of Christ which I
hold, and my membership in the LDS Church.

-Red Davis

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In article <fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com>,
kdavi...@hotmail.com (KDavis) wrote:

>For, if may adapt LeGrande Richards argument here: if you
> claim that the LDS Church is false -- your are false, for you came
> from it. A dead thee bringeth forth dead fruit. You certainly can't
> claim authority from the primative church of Christ. The Catholics
> are the only church that claims Melchizedek Priesthood authority down
> to the primative church.
>
> That leaves you with a problem: where did you receive your priesthood
> authority?

You have the problem, not I.

You, saith the Lord, do not understand the Priesthood of the Son of God, as the Jews did not understood where the Prophets sent unto them obtained their authority. The Lord had a "back door", a quorum of Apostles "held in reserve", knowing the end from the beginning and your apostasy. You are a typical fool, a sectarian, knee-jerk, cultural "Mormon" who are strangers to the truth, saith the Lord and shall perish unless you turn away from false teachers and false doctrines.

It must be understood Art is not real, he is figment of someone's imagination. His existence on this newsgroup and on the internet is hoax. I believe that Art Bulla never existed -- it is made up.

KDavis

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"Chad Shaw" <Chs...@utah-inter.net> wrote in message news:<6IjV9.51626$wQ1.28256@fe01>...

> "Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
> news:ODjV9.291$tC4.70...@twister2.starband.net...
>
> "KDavis" <kdavi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com...
>
> >
> > Seriously, Art Fulla Bulla, you have no standing to claim to be a
> > prophet.
>
> >For, if may adapt LeGrande Richards argument here: if you
> > claim that the LDS Church is false -- your are false, for you came
> > from it. A dead thee bringeth forth dead fruit. You certainly can't
> > claim authority from the primative church of Christ. The Catholics
> > are the only church that claims Melchizedek Priesthood authority down
> > to the primative church.
> >
> > That leaves you with a problem: where did you receive your priesthood
> > authority?
>
> You have the problem, not I.
>
> You, saith the Lord, do not understand the Priesthood of the Son of God,
> as the Jews did not understood where the Prophets sent unto them
> obtained their authority. The Lord had a "back door", a quorum of
> Apostles "held in reserve", knowing the end from the beginning and your
> apostasy. You are a typical fool, a sectarian, knee-jerk, cultural
> "Mormon" who are strangers to the truth, saith the Lord and shall perish
> unless you turn away from false teachers and false doctrines.

Three words describe it all: Art Fulla Bulla.

-Red Davis

>
>
> It must be understood Art is not real, he is figment of someone's
> imagination. His existence on this newsgroup and on the internet is
> hoax. I believe that Art Bulla never existed -- it is made up.

> --

Art Bulla

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13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is
for the back of him that is void of understanding.

14 Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the foolish is near
destruction.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 10:13 - 14)

3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 26:3 - 4)

dangerous1

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Art Bulla wrote:

Randy J.

TheJordan6

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>> >Art Bulla is a con man, deluded, and hypocritical. He is a wolf in
>> >polyester clothing.
>> >
>> >-Red Davis
>>
>> And Art Bulla can tell you by the power of the very same "Holy Ghost" that
>you
>> are deluded, and that he is right.
>>
>> Maybe you and he should get together in a ring and have a "Death Match of
>the
>> Battlin' Burnin' Bosoms."

>Randy, don't make fun of something you don't understand -- unless you
>draw upon yourself condemnation.

Red, I understand Mormon doctrine and culture perfectly well, having been an
active Mormon for more than 40 years.

>Let me tell you about an experience I had as a missionary in
>California:
>
>My companion and I were going door-to-door in Sacramento when a Navy
>Chaplain answered the door. We introduced ourselves, he introduced
>himself and included the fact that he was Baptist. He said that he
>respected LDS service personnel, but wasn't interested in the
>teachings of our church. I asked him if he had ever read the Book of
>Mormon. He said, "Yes, I did" I asked if he prayed and asked God if
>it were true, he answered, "yes, I did". I asked, "What answer did
>you receive?" He answered, tears welling up in his eyes, "I got an
>answer, but it can't be true, the Bible is the only word of God." and
>he shut the door.
>
>You see, he got his answer, but he didn't agree with it. The
>anti-Mormons *used* to taunt, "Put Moroni's promise to work, pray and
>ask God if the Book of Mormon is true, and God will tell you it
>isn't."
>
>Well, people were praying about the Book of Mormon -- and getting an
>answer that it is true, and were *joining* the LDS Church to the point
>the anti-Mormons stopped advising people to pray about it as their
>prayers were being answered by "the devil appearing as angel of
>light."

I have a couple of comments to your story: You didn't tell us that this
alleged fellow received an answer to prayer that the BOM was "true." You wrote
only that he "got an answer." Also, as we have discussed countless times here
on ARM, emotions are a piss-poor method of determining "truth."

>My testimony that the LDS Church is the one and only true Church is
>more than the answers to my prayers and the testimony of the Holy
>Ghost --

I had a "testimony" every bit as strong as yours, Red---until I woke up and
realized that I was being lied to.

>it also includes a number of miracles I have witnessed first
>hand -- including a sister being completely cured of cancer that they
>were scheduled to undergo surgery for,
to a brother being completely
>healed of alzheimers, to my life being spared several times, to my
>companions and I when I was a missionary finding those who wanted to
>be taught the Gospel in miraculous ways.

Hmmmm, I can relate an equal or greater number of incidents where faithful,
loyal, Mormons have had 'priesthood blessings' for illness or injury, and were
not healed.

Like my oldest sister, a lifelong active Mormon, whose husband was a bishop,
stake president, and a regional representative. After their eighth and final
child left home, they went on a genealogy mission. Within weeks of being on
their mission, she contracted stomach cancer, and they spent more of their 18
months in doctor's offices and hospitals before she came home and died a slow,
horrible, agonizing death.

Or I could tell you about the time I did the 'anointing' in a 'priesthood
blessing' wherein LDS apostle Howard W. Hunter pronounced the 'blessing,' (back
when I was a totally believing recently returned missionary) and no improvement
whatsoever was made in the afflicted person's condition.

Or I could tell you about the local LDS bishop here in my neighborhood, who a
few months ago, dropped dead of a heart attack while walking on his treadmill
at age 53, leaving five children.

Or my 47-year-old Mormon friend, a mother of four, whose husband had been a
bishop's counselor along with me, who dropped dead of a blood clot a few months
ago.

Or I could tell you those "faith-promoting" stories about Joseph Smith
supposedly going around 'blessing' the people in Nauvoo who had contracted
malaria from the swamps; but those "faith-promoting" stories, for some reason,
omit the little fact that Smith's father, brother, and infant son all died from
malaria during that period.

My point being, that you cannot show that any "priesthood blessings" were the
cause of improvement in the conditions of the alleged people in your stories;
if Mormon "priesthood blessings" were as effective as you claim, then there
should be very few active Mormons who become ill or infirm, since many Mormons
who get so much as a headcold call for a 'blessing.'

Thousands of believers in other "faith-healing" sects can tell stories of
supposedly miraculous healings just as you do, without benefit of "priesthood
blessings."

>You simply have no idea what you are kidding around about. I feel
>sorry for you that you do not realize it.
>
>-Red Davis

Red, I know exactly what I am talking about. Perhaps I can explain it to
readers by repeating a response I made to a TBM who invaded the ex-Mormon
e-mail list a few weeks ago and stated that he couldn't escape Mormonism
because of the feelings he attributed to the "Holy Ghost":

You speak of the positive "emotions" you feel while reading the BOM, etc. I
was a lifelong Mormon, served a mission, and served in ward leadership
positions for almost 13 straight years. I had as strong of a "testimony" as
you'd ever come across. I rarely failed to bear my "testimony" in meetings.
But as time went on in my church activity, I saw and experienced many things
from the church that I personally felt just were not right---that I believed
showed an extreme lack of "inspiration" on the part of church leaders, from the
"prophet" on downwards. My experiences caused me to undertake a serious study
of the church's origins and claims. I found to my regret that practically
everything I had been taught as fact all my life in the areas of church history
and doctrine was inaccurate, censored, altered, or just plain made up. I
eventually came to realize that no matter how much "faith" or "testimony" I had
in the church, my faith and testimony couldn't erase facts of history. As Mark
Twain's Huck Finn said, "You can't pray a lie." I couldn't pray away the
obvious contradictions between the BOM's claims and what science teaches us
about ancient America. I couldn't pray away the facts about Joseph Smith's
long and storied 1820's peep-stoning and money-digging career. The "Holy
Ghost" couldn't wash away Joseph Smith's ever-changing stories about his
alleged "visions." My "peaceful and good feelings" couldn't magically dissolve
the obvious fraud of the Book of Abraham, or the Kinderhook Plates. I
couldn't reconcile Joseph Smith's habit of having sex with other men's wives
with my feelings about Christian, western principles of morality and fidelity.
I couldn't justify Smith's "blood atonement" doctrine and practice---yes,
practice---with my personal sense of justice and morality. My "testimony"
couldn't make the Mountain Meadows Massacre vanish, nor make the "curse of
Cain" doctrine disappear. My "faith" couldn't defy the many instances of
hypocrisy, double-dealing, and immorailty among church leaders and their
policies (cases in point: Paul H. Dunn, the Mark Hoffman fiasco, and the
church settling child molestation cases out-of-court to prevent having to
reveal the church's financial status).

You write that you feel that you may be "addicted" to the "influence" of what
you think is the "Holy Ghost." What I'm offering here is that you need to
decide whether you are going to live the rest of your life based on emotions,
superstition, and myths, or on facts, reason, and logic.

Other posters have suggested to you that it's not wise to base your life
decisions on such emotions. That's wise advice, because history sadly teaches
us that many, many people who base their lives on emotions, faith, testimony,
or whatever you wish to call it, end up in a world of hurt. Examples: the
followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Maurice Applewhite. I'm quite
certain that those people had just as much "faith" and as strong a "testimony"
of their belief systems that you have in Mormonism---and they bet their lives
on their "testimonies."

What I'm attempting to get across to you is that there is a type of person who
comes along occasionally in history who possesses the ability to manipulate
people's emotions to serve his own purposes. Joseph Smith was one of those
people, and so was Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Maurice Applewhite. Such
charismatic, magnetic personalities use your natural human emotions to make you
believe that their dogma is the "one true way." They are smart enough to know
that a certain segment of the population will be gullible enough to trust their
"feelings" and accept their dogma. Once they've got your emotions, you're
hooked---they can then get your money, your spouse, or whatever else they so
desire from you. Obviously, even though all of those preachers claim to have
the "one true way," only one of them---or none of them---can be THE "true"
one-----but nevertheless, they ALL use the same tactics of preying upon your
emotions to suck you in.

Joseph Smith began his public career as a folk-magician. The basic activity of
magicians is to make their audiences suspend reality---to create illusions
which will make people believe the unbelievable. Smith was arrested and tried
on fraud charges in March, 1826, at a mere 21 years old, for making money by
pretending to "see" buried treasure by placing a "peep-stone" in his hat and
looking into it. Smith was burned by his arrest and trial, and his founding of
a "religion" was merely the next evolution of his folk-magic scam. The Book of
Mormon---an OBVIOUS fraud---was merely a vehicle he produced to "proof-text"
his own alleged supernatural abilities, just as were his bogus "revelations"
and the Book of Abraham.

There is probably no greater evidence of the power of such manipulative
practices than the fact that Utah is jokingly known as "the scam capital of the
world." Utah Mormons fall prey to every get-rich-quick and multi-level
marketing scheme that comes down the pike. Why? Simple: It's because Mormons
are taught from birth to "trust their feelings", and to trust in their fellow
Mormons (who would NEVER EVER do them wrong). In other words, Mormons are
among the most GULLIBLE people in the world, and scam operators KNOW that,
because they know that if people accept the wild, outlandish claims of
Mormonism, then they're easy pickins' for whatever else a scam operator wishes
to lay on them.

So, the choice is yours: You can remain a Totally Brainwashed Mormon, relying
on "feelings" and "powerful influences" for your life decisions; or, you can
make your life decisions based on rational thinking, studying, sound reasoning,
facts, and logic. As I wrote to you in another post, the choice to remain a
Mormon or not is in effect, the choice of whether you wish to do your own
thinking or not. If you remain a Mormon, you have to spend the rest of your
life trying to justify and reconcile the errors of the BOM, polygamy, blood
atonement, the MMM, the "curse of Cain" doctrine, and other similar items. But
if you choose instead to begin doing your own thinking, you don't have to
justify or reconcile any of the wacky things in Mormonism. All you have to do
is accept that it's a fraud, and doing that requires no justification or
apologies.

Randy J.

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In article <SeAV9.430$X61.11...@twister2.starband.net>, "Art Bulla"
<a...@artbulla.com> wrote:

> No fellowship with queers.
>
** guffaw

Chad Shaw

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"TheJordan6" <thejo...@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20030116223708...@mb-ml.aol.com...

> >> >Art Bulla is a con man, deluded, and hypocritical. He is a wolf in
> >> >polyester clothing.
> >> >
> >> >-Red Davis
> >>
> >> And Art Bulla can tell you by the power of the very same "Holy Ghost"
that
> >you
> >> are deluded, and that he is right.
> >>
> >> Maybe you and he should get together in a ring and have a "Death Match
of
> >the
> >> Battlin' Burnin' Bosoms."
>
> >Randy, don't make fun of something you don't understand -- unless you
> >draw upon yourself condemnation.
>
> Red, I understand Mormon doctrine and culture perfectly well, having been
an
> active Mormon for more than 40 years.

Damn -- that just blew my theory you were the rookie running back for the
Oakland Raiders :-)

€ R. L. Measures

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In article <20030116220843...@mb-ml.aol.com>,
thejo...@aol.com (TheJordan6) wrote:

> >From: kdavi...@hotmail.com (KDavis)
> >Date: 1/15/2003 1:16 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <fe6e030e.03011...@posting.google.com>
> >

> >...

> >Seriously, Art Fulla Bulla, you have no standing to claim to be a
> >prophet. For, if may adapt LeGrande Richards argument here: if you
> >claim that the LDS Church is false -- your are false, for you came
> >from it. A dead thee bringeth forth dead fruit. You certainly can't
> >claim authority from the primative church of Christ. The Catholics
> >are the only church that claims Melchizedek Priesthood authority down
> >to the primative church.
> >
> >That leaves you with a problem: where did you receive your priesthood
> >authority?
>
> Aw, Red. lay off of Art. He has just as much "priesthood authority" as you
> do----zero.
>
> Randy J.
>

** Well at least that'a tie.

TheJordan6

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>From: "Chad Shaw" Chs...@utah-inter.net
>Date: 1/17/2003 12:15 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <iTVV9.55609$wQ1.17845@fe01>

No, and I am also not the Randy Jordan who played basketball at Mississippi
State in the late '70s, either. Those guys are impostors.

The Real Randy J., Raider fan since the days of Lamonica, Blanda, Biletnikoff,
and Warren Wells, but who would not be disappointed if mah home-boys the Titans
win either.

Chad Shaw

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Chad Shaw

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"TheJordan6" <thejo...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Huh -- I have been a Raider Hater for as long as I can remember. (Bred
mostly from jealousy and being a Broncos fan, but in the end the Bronco's
finally got theirs.)

>but who would not be disappointed if mah home-boys the Titans
> win either.

I am rooting for the Titans to go all the way -- I have followed the Dyson
brothers (Kevin & Andre) since they went to my High School (Clearfield High,
although quite a few years after me) through college at U of U.

Art Bulla

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This is not the tack I take in

> >Art Bulla is a con man, deluded, and hypocritical. He is a wolf in
> >polyester clothing.
> >
> >-Red Davis
>
> And Art Bulla can tell you by the power of the very same "Holy Ghost" that
you
> are deluded, and that he is right.
>
> Maybe you and he should get together in a ring and have a "Death Match of
the
> Battlin' Burnin' Bosoms."
>

> Randy J.

You are possessed of the lying spirit, however, for anyone who cares to read
can immediately dsicern that I argue from the scriptures (canonized) and
others and scientific proofs which any intellectually honest person can
discern is the light. I know enough that in this melee that testimony is
casting pearls before swine, so I rarely appeal to that as evidence. Most on
this newsgroup do not know enough about revelation from a personal
experiental point of view to even know how to discern when they do get
revelation from God. There is a criterion, saith the Lord, that one uses in
determining whether a revelation such as Mr. Davis claims is of God or not
and that is "does it contradict former written revelation". Modern Cultural
Mormonism, however, is afloat on a sea of relativity and liberalism.

The modern knee-jerk, blind-following-the-blind cultural Mormon believes the
following statement by Bruce R. McConkie:

"Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or
President George Q. [127] Cannon or whosoever has said in days past that is
contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding
and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.
We get our truth and our light line upon line and precept upon precept. We
have now had added a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular
subject, and it erases all the darkness and all the views and all the
thoughts of the past. They don't matter any more.
It doesn't make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the
Negro matter before the first day of June 1978. It is a new day and a new
arrangement, and the Lord has now given the revelation that sheds light out
into the world on this subject. As to any slivers of light or any particles
of darkness of the past, we forget about them. We now do what meridian
Israel did when the Lord said the gospel should go to the gentiles. We
forget all the statements that limited the gospel to the house of Israel,
and we start going to the gentiles." (Bruce R. McConkie, Priesthood, p. 132)

But you see, this sincere belief held by the modern cultural knee-jerk,
sectarian Mormon contradicts the plain statement of the great head of our
dispensation, the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times:

"If any man writes to you, or preaches to you, doctrines contrary to the
Bible, the Book of Mormon, or the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, set him
down as an imposter." (Joseph Smith, Times & Seasons, Apr. 1, 1844)

Modern Cultural Mormonism is therefore a branch of the secular relgion of
liberalism. The truth, however, is not relative. Lies are, saith the Lord.
Mr. Davis claims revelation, but his revelation contradicts former
revelation contrary to the following dictum and caution:

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.214
There have also been ministering angels in the Church which were of Satan
appearing as an angel of light. A sister in the state of New York had a
vision, who said it was told her that if she would go to a certain place in
the woods, and angel would appear to her. She went at the appointed time,
and saw a glorious personage descending, arrayed in white, with sandy
colored hair; he commenced and told her to fear God, and said that her
husband was called to do great things, but that he must not go more than one
hundred miles from home, or he would not return; whereas God had called him
to go to the ends of the earth, and he has since been more than one thousand
miles from home, and is yet alive. Many true things were spoken by this
personage, and many things that were false. How, it may be asked, was this
known to be a bad angel? By the color of his hair; that is one of the signs
that he can be known by, and by his contradicting a former revelation.

"We are told that the living oracles take precedence over all other
authority, living or dead. We agree that the living oracles take precedence,
provided they do not conflict with the dead oracles. `To the law and the
testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no
light in them.' (Isa. 8:20) If it is true that the living oracles take
precedence over all others regardless of their disagreements with the dead
prophets, then the Saints must necessarily change their faith every time
there is a change in the presidency, to conform to the views of the new
president." (Bsp. Heber Bennion, Gospel Problems, p. 6)

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.181
"A key: Every principle proceeding from God is eternal and any principle
which is not eternal is of the devil."

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.203
"Try the spirits," but what by? Are we to try them by the creeds of men?
What preposterous folly -- what sheer ignorance -- what madness! Try the
motions and actions of an eternal being (for I contend that all spirits are
such) by a thing that was conceived in ignorance, and brought forth in
folly -- a cobweb of yesterday! Angels would hide their faces, and devils
would be ashamed and insulted, and would say, "Paul we know, and Jesus we
know, but who are ye?" Let each man of society make a creed and try evil
spirits by it, and the devil would shake his sides; it is all that he would
ask -- all that he would desire. Yet many of them do this, and hence "many
spirits are abroad in the world."

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.203
One great evil is, that men are ignorant of the nature of spirits; their
power, laws, government, intelligence, etc., and imagine that when there is
anything like power, revelation, or vision manifested, that it must be of
God. Hence the Methodists, Presbyterians, and others frequently possess a
spirit that will cause them to lie down, and during its operation, animation
is frequently entirely suspended; they consider it to be the power of God,
and a glorious manifestation from God -- a manifestation of what? Is there
any intelligence communicated? Are the curtains of heaven withdrawn, or the
purposes of God developed? Have they seen and conversed with an angel -- or
have the glories of futurity burst upon their view? No! but their body has
been inanimate, the operation of their spirit suspended, and all the
intelligence that can be obtained from them when they arise, is a shout of
"glory," or "hallelujah," or some incoherent expression; but they have had
"the power."

You, however, in your clever quipping, have managed to equate the Holy
Ghost with a devil. This is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, saith the
Lord.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be
forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be
forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be
forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be
forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

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Ye simple souls who stray
Far from the path of peace,
That lonely, unfrequented way
To life and happiness,
Why will ye folly love,
And throng the downward road,
And hate the wisdom from above,
And mock the sons of God?

Madness and misery
Ye count our life beneath,
And nothing great or good can see
Or glorious in our death.
But thru the Holy Ghost
We witness better things,
For he whose blood is all our boast
Has made us priests and kings.

Riches unsearchable
In Jesus' love we know,
And pleasures springing from the well
Of life our souls o'erflow.
As we seek heav'nly bliss,
Angels our steps attend,
And God himself our Father is,
And Jesus is our Friend.

With him we walk in white;
We in his image shine;
Our robes are robes of glorious light,
Our righteousness divine.
On all the kings of earth
With pity we look down;
And claim, in virtue of our birth,
A never fading crown.

This mighty God is ours,
Our Father and our Love.
He will send down his heav'nly pow'rs
To carry us above.

1 AND I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or
of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and
him crucified.

3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's
wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of
God.

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of
this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which
God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they
would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have
entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them
that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is
in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which
is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of
no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we
have the mind of Christ.

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 2:1 - 16)

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grouch

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>Subject: Re: Art Bulla the nut
>From: "Art Bulla" a...@artbulla.com

>Date: 1/18/2003 1:09 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <FDhW9.98$Iy4.48...@twister1.starband.net>

LOL, priceless; and you try so hard, but it is always funny. G

Aaron Kim

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20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates:
in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners
delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I
will make known my words unto you.

24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and
no man regarded;

25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a
whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me
early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled
with their own devices.

32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of
fools shall destroy them.

33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from
fear of evil.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 1:20 - 33)

Aaron

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>From: "Aaron Kim" aa...@artbulla.com
>Date: 1/18/2003 3:57 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <_4kW9.117696$hK4.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>

LOL, "wisdom..... uttereth her voice in the streets", oh, God, this is
priceless! G

dangerous1

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grouch wrote:

> >Subject: Re: Art Bulla the nut
> >From: "Aaron Kim" aa...@artbulla.com
> >Date: 1/18/2003 3:57 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <_4kW9.117696$hK4.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>
> LOL, "wisdom..... uttereth her voice in the streets", oh, God, this is
> priceless! G

It's truly hard to say which one of those two is goofiest. I usually go with
whichever one quotes the most scripture in their post.

--
Best,
Dangerous1

D1 @ Dangerous1.com
Don Marchant

"Trying to find God is a good deal like looking for money one
has lost in a dream."
Lemuel K. Washburn

We're still listening to: "Alligator Man" by Holy Modal Rounders

€ R. L. Measures

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In article <3E2A02E5...@dangerous1.com>, dangerous1
<dange...@dangerous1.com> wrote:

> grouch wrote:
>
> > >Subject: Re: Art Bulla the nut
> > >From: "Aaron Kim" aa...@artbulla.com
> > >Date: 1/18/2003 3:57 PM Central Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <_4kW9.117696$hK4.9...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > LOL, "wisdom..... uttereth her voice in the streets", oh, God, this is
> > priceless! G
>
>
>
> It's truly hard to say which one of those two is goofiest. I usually go with
> whichever one quotes the most scripture in their post.
>

** good point. I keep thinking the Bulla show could be a clever parody.

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Art Bulla wrote:

> Notice, will continue to not read what "dangerous" and Zoellner write, for
> they are vile blasphemers. I don't pay attention to devils and have
> commanded my apostles also to skip over them as well.
>
> Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.212
> "... not only this, but they frequently accused the brethren, thus placing
> themselves in the seat of Satan, who is emphatically called "the accuser of
> the brethren."
>

Did I ever tell you that I am sealed up as an "Eternal possession" of the
Prophet Joseph Smith Jr.?
I have a ticket straight to the celestial kingdom.

--
Cheers,
Dangerous1
Don Marchant
cheapsuit at Dangerous1.com

Now playing: "Back It Up" by Nils Lofgren

dangerous1

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Art Bulla wrote:

> Thank you Aaron. God bless you for your faithfulness. The leeches are
> trying to grapple you down. As Joseph said, the aim of the devils in hell
> is to reduce the Sons of God to the same condition they themselves are in.
>
> Ye Simple Souls Who Stray (118)
> Text: Charles Wesley
>
> Ye simple souls who stray
> Far from the path of peace,
> That lonely, unfrequented way
> To life and happiness,
> Why will ye folly love,
> And throng the downward road,
> And hate the wisdom from above,
> And mock the sons of God?
>
> Madness and misery
> Ye count our life beneath,

Oh, don't be so hard on yourself. There is hope even for you.

€ R. L. Measures

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In article <20030119141049...@mb-cd.aol.com>, bak...@aol.com
(grouch) wrote:

** his shtik has gotta be a parody?

€ R. L. Measures

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In article <3E2B39F2...@dangerous1.com>, dangerous1
<dange...@dangerous1.com> wrote:

> Art Bulla wrote:
>
> > Notice, will continue to not read what "dangerous" and Zoellner write, for
> > they are vile blasphemers. I don't pay attention to devils and have
> > commanded my apostles also to skip over them as well.
> >
> > Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.212
> > "... not only this, but they frequently accused the brethren, thus placing
> > themselves in the seat of Satan, who is emphatically called "the accuser of
> > the brethren."
> >
>
> Did I ever tell you that I am sealed up as an "Eternal possession" of the
> Prophet Joseph Smith Jr.?
> I have a ticket straight to the celestial kingdom.
>

** so the rumours about the "strongest man in Nauvoo" are true? -- not
that there's anything wrong with that.