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John Manning
May 22, 2012, 2:49:38 PM5/22/12
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President Barack Obama:
"The reason why this is relevant to the campaign is that my
opponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for why he thinks
he should be president is his business experience.
He's not going out there touting his experience in Massachusetts.
He's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix it, and this
is his business.
And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a private
equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize profits.
Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair
shot.
Your job is to think about those workers who get laid off, and how
are we paying for their retraining.
Your job is to think about how those communities can start creating
new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
Your job as president is to think about how do we set up an
equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their fair share,
that allows us then to invest in science, and technology, and
infrastructure, all of which are going to help us grow.
And so if your main argument for how to grow the economy is "I knew
how to make a lot of money for investors then you're missing what
this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good at private
equity. But that's not what my job is as president.
My job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
My job is to make sure the country is growing not just now, but 10
years from now, twenty years from now."
http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-bain-explains-why.html
Just Wondering
May 22, 2012, 4:02:44 PM5/22/12
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On 5/22/2012 12:49 PM, John Manning wrote:
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> President Barack Obama:
laws of the land, and it was Congress' job to decide what those laws
were. It's Congress's job to set policy, and the President's job to
execute whatever policy Congress decides on. It's those laws, not the
President's notion of how things should be, that shape federal policy.
Oh, wait, I'm not silly, that's what the Constitution requires.
BTW, didn't Obama take an oath to faithfully execute the laws of the
United States, and hasn't he ordered the Department of Justice not to
enforce certain immigration and other laws?
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> President Barack Obama:
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> And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a private
> equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize profits.
>
> Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair
> shot.
>
> Your job is to think about those workers who get laid off, and how
> are we paying for their retraining.
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> Your job is to think about how those communities can start creating
> new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>
> Your job as president is to think about how do we set up an
> equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their fair share,
> that allows us then to invest in science, and technology, and
> infrastructure, all of which are going to help us grow.
>
Silly me, all along I thought the President's job was to execute the
> And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a private
> equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize profits.
>
> Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair
> shot.
>
> Your job is to think about those workers who get laid off, and how
> are we paying for their retraining.
>
> Your job is to think about how those communities can start creating
> new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>
> Your job as president is to think about how do we set up an
> equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their fair share,
> that allows us then to invest in science, and technology, and
> infrastructure, all of which are going to help us grow.
>
laws of the land, and it was Congress' job to decide what those laws
were. It's Congress's job to set policy, and the President's job to
execute whatever policy Congress decides on. It's those laws, not the
President's notion of how things should be, that shape federal policy.
Oh, wait, I'm not silly, that's what the Constitution requires.
BTW, didn't Obama take an oath to faithfully execute the laws of the
United States, and hasn't he ordered the Department of Justice not to
enforce certain immigration and other laws?
Logan Sacket
May 22, 2012, 6:42:19 PM5/22/12
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recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone who knows how
economics work in America instead of bashing someone who has made it
work.
sully
May 22, 2012, 6:51:17 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 1:02 pm, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/22/2012 12:49 PM, John Manning wrote:
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> > And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a private
> > equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize profits.
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> > Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair
> > shot.
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> > Your job is to think about those workers who get laid off, and how
> > are we paying for their retraining.
>
> > Your job is to think about how those communities can start creating
> > new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
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> > Your job as president is to think about how do we set up an
> > equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their fair share,
> > that allows us then to invest in science, and technology, and
> > infrastructure, all of which are going to help us grow.
>
> Silly me, all along I thought the President's job was to execute the
> laws of the land, and it was Congress' job to decide what those laws
> were. It's Congress's job to set policy, and the President's job to
> execute whatever policy Congress decides on. It's those laws, not the
> President's notion of how things should be, that shape federal policy.
> Oh, wait, I'm not silly, that's what the Constitution requires.
According to the right wing, presidents aren't
> On 5/22/2012 12:49 PM, John Manning wrote:
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> > And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a private
> > equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize profits.
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> > Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country has a fair
> > shot.
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> > Your job is to think about those workers who get laid off, and how
> > are we paying for their retraining.
>
> > Your job is to think about how those communities can start creating
> > new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>
> > Your job as president is to think about how do we set up an
> > equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their fair share,
> > that allows us then to invest in science, and technology, and
> > infrastructure, all of which are going to help us grow.
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> Silly me, all along I thought the President's job was to execute the
> laws of the land, and it was Congress' job to decide what those laws
> were. It's Congress's job to set policy, and the President's job to
> execute whatever policy Congress decides on. It's those laws, not the
> President's notion of how things should be, that shape federal policy.
> Oh, wait, I'm not silly, that's what the Constitution requires.
supposed to try to solve problems,
that's the job of the aristocracy.
sully
May 22, 2012, 6:48:44 PM5/22/12
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> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the jobless
> recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone who knows how
> economics work in America instead of bashing someone who has made it
> work.
Obama called it right. Romney claims that being a good businessman
> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the jobless
> recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone who knows how
> economics work in America instead of bashing someone who has made it
> work.
(IE making profits for a predatory financial institution) is not the
same job as President.
Obama didn't make the economic mess, years of de-regulation did. He
just hasn't cleaned it up fast enough to make you guys have to find
another reason to go after him.
Mitchell Holman
May 22, 2012, 7:44:36 PM5/22/12
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logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
So what you are calling for is a president who
can lower the deficit, lower unemployment and raise
the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
can lower the deficit, lower unemployment and raise
the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
Free Lunch
May 22, 2012, 7:57:40 PM5/22/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
wrote in alt.atheism:
The only good Republican since Ike. Sadly, the GOP hated him because he
called himself a Democrat and proved that the policies that the GOP once
held work.
wrote in alt.atheism:
called himself a Democrat and proved that the policies that the GOP once
held work.
Just Wondering
May 22, 2012, 8:58:30 PM5/22/12
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live up to the oath of office, which requires them to swear to uphold
the Constitution and execute the laws passed by Congress. When the
Constitution or federal statutes give the President problem-solving
authority, he is supposed to exercise that authority. There are many
statutes that do, and he would remiss in his duties if he did NOT solve
problems within the authority given him by the Constitution. But when
no provision of the Constitution or the U.S. Code gives the President
problem-solving authority, a president has no lawful power to act. The
Constitution generally gives Congress, not the President, the power to
set policy.
Take equal rights, for example. The constitution has an equal rights
provision, and Congress has passed equal rights legislation. That
legislation sets federal policy on the enforcement of equal rights. The
president's job, through the office of the attorney general, is to
enforce that policy. He has no authority to change the policy; that
would have to be done by enacting new legislation, which is the job of
Congress, not the President.
Federal spending is another example. Yes, the President proposes a
budget, and his budget proposal includes recommendations based on policy
as he would like to see it. But the House of Representatives is the
governing body that originates all spending bills. The House is free to
adopt or reject any or all of the President's recommendations.
Ultimately Congress, not the President, sets the nation's spending
policies. That's one reason why people are silly to give Presidents
rather than Congress the credit or blame for the federal budget,
taxation and spending policies. Yeah, the President has a hand in it,
but the ultimate responsibility lies with Congress.
duke
May 23, 2012, 8:11:36 AM5/23/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
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And so we got a community organizer who never ran a company.
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>President Barack Obama:
duke - American American
*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****
sully
May 23, 2012, 12:17:38 PM5/23/12
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of course, like any leader can be a problem solver and
still uphold the constitution and laws of the land.
So for a right winger, for a center oriented president
to try to solve problems created by right wing
failed policy, even through constitutional means,
it is by nature "unconstitutional".
A good example is the stimulus package
asked for by Obama from Congress to stem
the economic collapse caused by the abandonment
of laws designed to protect Americans from
financial predators - one of those typical
'free market' solutions.
OTOH, right wingers have no problem at all
with a right wing president who commits treason,
abandons his oath of office, or commits crimes
against the state.
It's ok by them for a president and his cabinet
to lie into a massive illegal and immoral war,
ok to out a working CIA officer during time of
war. It's also ok for another right wing hero
to sell arms to a terrorist state, circumventing
specific laws against such a thing, in order to
delay the release of hostages taken by that
terror state.
Right wingers are ok with that, if you hear a
peep it's usually a loud lie.
Just Wondering
May 24, 2012, 2:55:32 AM5/24/12
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explained the matter, then try to portray me as saying something
completely different than what I actually said.
sully
May 24, 2012, 5:55:02 AM5/24/12
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> > of course, like any leader can be a problem solver and
> > still uphold the constitution and laws of the land.
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> This is typical left-wing revisionism, to clip the bulk of my post that
> explained the matter, then try to portray me as saying something
> completely different than what I actually said.
No, I started with your premise that was binary
> > still uphold the constitution and laws of the land.
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> This is typical left-wing revisionism, to clip the bulk of my post that
> explained the matter, then try to portray me as saying something
> completely different than what I actually said.
simplistic thinking and deconstructed it.
All of your conclusions therefore failed and
were not worth addressing.
You think in terms of good/evil.
I think in terms of difficult problems
to solve that I don't have all of the
answers for.
The bottom line is that right wingers
think problems solve themselves, and if
they don't are the fault of the victims
of those problems.
Liberals try to figure a way to solve them.
Just Wondering
May 24, 2012, 3:56:49 PM5/24/12
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Look again what I said:
According to the right wing, presidents are supposed to live up to the
oath of office, which requires them to swear to uphold the Constitution
According to the right wing, presidents are supposed to live up to the
oath of office, which requires them to swear to uphold the Constitution
admit that all the above is true, or explain why it is not. Tell me,
statement by statement, what parts of my statement you disagree with.
Paragraph 1:
Do you agree, or disagree, that presidents are supposed to live up to
the oath of office?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the president's oath of office requires
them to swear to uphold the Constitution and execute the laws passed by
Congress?
Do you agree, or disagree, that when the Constitution or federal
statutes give the President problem-solving authority, he is supposed to
exercise that authority?
Do you agree, or disagree, that many statutes give the President
problem-solving authority?
Do you agree, or disagree, that a President would be remiss in his
duties if he did NOT solve problems within the authority given him by
the Constitution?
Do you agree, or disagree, that when no provision of the Constitution or
the U.S. Code gives the President problem-solving authority, a president
has no lawful power to act? or do you instead claim that the President
is a law unto himself?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the Constitution generally gives
Congress, not the President, the power to set policy?
Paragraph 2:
Do you agree, or disagree, that the constitution has an equal rights
provision?
Do you agree, or disagree, that Congress has passed equal rights
legislation?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the U.S.A. has equal rights legislation
that sets federal policy on the enforcement of equal rights?
Do you agree, or disagree, that it is the job of the President, to the
office of the attorney general, to enforce that equal rights policy?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the President has no right to change the
equal rights policy set out in federal legislation?
Do you agree, or disagree, that to change the legislative equal rights
policy would require new legislation?
Do you agree, or disagree, that it is the job of Congress, not the
President, to enact legislation?
Paragraph 3:
Do you agree, or disagree, that the President proposes a budget?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the President's budget proposal includes
recommendations based on policy as he would like to see it?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the House of Representatives is the
governing body that originates all spending bills?
Do you agree, or disagree, that the House is free to adopt or reject any
or all of the President's recommendations?
Do you agree, or disagree, that ultimately Congress, not the President,
sets the nation's spending policies?
Do you agree, or disagree, that because Congress ultimately sets
spending policy, people are silly to give Presidents rather than
Congress the credit or blame for the federal budget, taxation and
spending policies?
Do you agree, or disagree, that while the President has a hand in the
federal budget, the ultimate responsibility for the contents of the
budget lies with Congress?
sully
May 24, 2012, 6:05:26 PM5/24/12
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make it any better for you.
You and I have agreed in the past that presidents
get too much credit/blame for the economy, for
social issues, etc etc. This isn't the point.
Every president since and including Washington
steps into office to solve problems. They should
solve those problems within the bounds of their power,
and I gave an example w/ Obama.
Your long screed verfies exactly my point about
right wingers who don't want a government to be
effective, they want a government to stay out of
the way of the wealthy who will do what they will.
Tories lost that fight in the 18th century.
Logan Sacket
May 24, 2012, 7:01:48 PM5/24/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:48:44 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Not only has he failed to clean it up, he is preventing it.
His agenda isn't looking out for us. That's for sure.
wrote:
His agenda isn't looking out for us. That's for sure.
Logan Sacket
May 24, 2012, 7:02:22 PM5/24/12
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Logan Sacket
May 24, 2012, 7:03:13 PM5/24/12
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On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
pres instead of Obama.
Logan Sacket
May 24, 2012, 7:04:16 PM5/24/12
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On Wed, 23 May 2012 07:11:36 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
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>>President Barack Obama:
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>And so we got a community organizer who never ran a company.
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And is still trying.
>On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br> wrote:
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>And so we got a community organizer who never ran a company.
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sully
May 24, 2012, 7:25:13 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 4:03 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
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sully
May 24, 2012, 7:38:58 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 4:02 pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:51:17 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
How about something from your patron saint?
"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the
problem"
> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:51:17 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the
problem"
Mitchell Holman
May 24, 2012, 7:56:45 PM5/24/12
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logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc4be0d.2969953
@news.eternal-september.org:
Clinton lowered the deficit and unemployment
regardless of which party held Congress.
More importantly, all his gains were immediately
erased once he left.
@news.eternal-september.org:
regardless of which party held Congress.
More importantly, all his gains were immediately
erased once he left.
Mitchell Holman
May 24, 2012, 8:01:27 PM5/24/12
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sully <suls...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6c92ec00-e678-4632...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
Obama is Bush Lite.
December 17, 2010
Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
10-25-2011
Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
30 September 2011
Obama administration seeks first death penalty
via military tribunal at Guant namo
05/5/11
Obama's Sudden Assault on Medical Marijuana
10/24/2011
Obama Appoints Monsanto Kingpin Michael Taylor
as the United States FDA Food Safety Czar
1/28/09
Obama Appoints Goldman Sachs Lobbyist to Top Treas. Post
1/17/2011
In the Pockets of Banks:Obama Appoints JP Morgan Banker
to Chief of Staf
Obama Cuts Deal to Extend All Bush Tax Cuts
Dec 10 2010
Obama to renew Bush Tax Cuts again in 2012
JULY 11, 2011
http://www.outsidethemachine.com/?p=934
Obama urges middle-class tax cut extension
February 11, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/6vwxff3
news:6c92ec00-e678-4632...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
December 17, 2010
Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
10-25-2011
Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
30 September 2011
Obama administration seeks first death penalty
via military tribunal at Guant namo
05/5/11
Obama's Sudden Assault on Medical Marijuana
10/24/2011
Obama Appoints Monsanto Kingpin Michael Taylor
as the United States FDA Food Safety Czar
1/28/09
Obama Appoints Goldman Sachs Lobbyist to Top Treas. Post
1/17/2011
In the Pockets of Banks:Obama Appoints JP Morgan Banker
to Chief of Staf
Obama Cuts Deal to Extend All Bush Tax Cuts
Dec 10 2010
Obama to renew Bush Tax Cuts again in 2012
JULY 11, 2011
http://www.outsidethemachine.com/?p=934
Obama urges middle-class tax cut extension
February 11, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/6vwxff3
Just Wondering
May 24, 2012, 8:33:32 PM5/24/12
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say I claim something completely different than what I actually said.
> Your long screed
There was no "long screed". I have you a reasoned statement explaining
that right wingers expect Presidents, who take an oath of office, to
honor that oath.
> verfies exactly my point about right wingers who don't want a government to be
> effective,
If that's your point, you have never supported it with any facts, and
> effective,
you're just plain wrong.
Point out what I said that supports your wacky conclusion.
> they want a government to stay out of
> the way of the wealthy who will do what they will.
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Point out what I said that supports your wacky conclusion.
> the way of the wealthy who will do what they will.
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sully
May 25, 2012, 2:14:43 AM5/25/12
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say, what I pointed out was the meaning of what you wrote.
Look at the statement of mine you argue. As a liberal, I claim that
a president can and should try to solve the country's problems. You
argued with me, said no, a president is only supposed to fulfill the
letter of the powers explicitly given to him in the constitution.
I pointed out that a president can proactively solve problems and not
overstep his granted powers, and that this has been the reality of the
presidency since and including Washington.
Your 'literal' interpretation of presidential duty is assigned so that
you would limit the mission of government to not solve problems, but
leave that solely to the rich and powerful to choose.
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> > Your long screed
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> There was no "long screed". I have you a reasoned statement explaining
> that right wingers expect Presidents, who take an oath of office, to
> honor that oath.> verfies exactly my point about right wingers who don't want a government to be
> > effective,
They have elected presidents that cede decisionmaking to the wealthy
cabal in this country. d
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> If that's your point, you have never supported it with any facts, and
> you're just plain wrong.
> Point out what I said that supports your wacky conclusion.> they want a government to stay out of
> > the way of the wealthy who will do what they will.
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> Point out what I said that supports your wacky conclusion.
president can't take pro-active measures to solve problems. A
president can and does so by asserting leadership and asking Congress
to pass laws, appropriate funds, etc, to achieve that. Read up on
the Whiskey Rebellion
in Washington's first term.
What is whacky is I pointed out egregious abuses of power by right
wing presidents that you and your fellow right wingers never raised a
peep about "constitutionality". If Obama chooses not to enforce
certain laws, gay marriage, medical marijuana, etc, I agree with
you that technically he is violating his oath, yet you are ok with a
right wing president engaging in egregious treasonous acts, lying to
war, exposing spys for political gain, arming enemies of the USA.
Whack defines the right wing.
sully
May 25, 2012, 2:25:53 AM5/25/12
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On May 24, 5:01 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> JULY 11, 2011http://www.outsidethemachine.com/?p=934
Obama is first a politician, then a liberal.
The health care law sucks, but it's better than we got now.
He passed it. I want him to let all Bush tax cuts expire,
but at least he's pushing to allow the upper end to expire.
He refocused on Afghanistan, though it's past time to leave.
He got OBL.
He enforces immigration laws where it counts, w/ the employers.
I'm pissed at him for extending the Patriot act, and Guantanamo.
It's about laws, Barack!
Obama is first a politician, then a liberal.
The health care law sucks, but it's better than we got now.
He passed it. I want him to let all Bush tax cuts expire,
but at least he's pushing to allow the upper end to expire.
He refocused on Afghanistan, though it's past time to leave.
He got OBL.
He enforces immigration laws where it counts, w/ the employers.
I'm pissed at him for extending the Patriot act, and Guantanamo.
It's about laws, Barack!
Just Wondering
May 25, 2012, 4:35:38 AM5/25/12
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On 5/25/2012 12:14 AM, sully wrote:
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> pardon me, I didn't say that you claimed something that you didn't
> say, what I pointed out was the meaning of what you wrote.
In other words, you claim that I meant something completely different
>
> pardon me, I didn't say that you claimed something that you didn't
> say, what I pointed out was the meaning of what you wrote.
than what I said.
> As a liberal, I claim that
> a president can and should try to solve the country's problems.
supposed to try to solve problems."
> You argued with me, said no, a president is only supposed to fulfill the
> letter of the powers explicitly given to him in the constitution.
No, I explained how your statement that "According to the right wing,
> letter of the powers explicitly given to him in the constitution.
presidents aren't
supposed to try to solve problems" was not accurate.
> I pointed out that a president can proactively solve problems and not
> overstep his granted powers, and that this has been the reality of the
> presidency since and including Washington.
Look back over this thread. You never pointed out any such thing.
> overstep his granted powers, and that this has been the reality of the
> presidency since and including Washington.
> Your 'literal' interpretation of presidential duty is assigned so that
> you would limit the mission of government to not solve problems, but
> leave that solely to the rich and powerful to choose.
>
Not at all. My description of how government works was accurate. Look
> you would limit the mission of government to not solve problems, but
> leave that solely to the rich and powerful to choose.
>
again, what I said was that the President's power to solve problems is
not unlimited but rather is defined by the Constitution and statutes. I
invited you twice to contradict me, and you declined both invitations.
>
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> Yet right wingers have never elected a president that has done so.
> They have elected presidents that cede decisionmaking to the wealthy
> cabal in this country.
I understand you would like that statement to be true. Your wishes do
>
> Yet right wingers have never elected a president that has done so.
> They have elected presidents that cede decisionmaking to the wealthy
> cabal in this country.
not make it true.
>
>
> You want to claim that a president can't take pro-active measures to solve problems.
That's a flat out lie and you know it.
>
> You want to claim that a president can't take pro-active measures to solve problems.
>
> A president can and does so by asserting leadership and asking Congress
> to pass laws, appropriate funds, etc, to achieve that.
Presidents solve problems by "asserting leadership"? Presidents solve
> A president can and does so by asserting leadership and asking Congress
> to pass laws, appropriate funds, etc, to achieve that.
problems by asking Congress to pass laws?
Seems to me that if a problem is solved by passing a law, and Congress
passes the law, it's Congress that solves the problem.
>
> What is whacky is I pointed out egregious abuses of power by right
> wing presidents
Where in this thread did you do that?
> What is whacky is I pointed out egregious abuses of power by right
> wing presidents
> that you and your fellow right wingers never raised a
> peep about "constitutionality".
The biggest egregious abuses of power have resulted from the federal
> peep about "constitutionality".
government usurping powers the Constitution says are reserved to the
states. If right wing presidents are guilty of that, left wing
presidents are even more guilty. I have often protested about such
federal usurpations of power. And the chief pioneer and architect of
federal usurpation of state power was Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat.
> If Obama chooses not to enforce
> certain laws, gay marriage, medical marijuana, etc, I agree with
> you that technically he is violating his oath,
federal laws. There is no federal "gay marriage" law. To the extent
government has the power to regulate marriage at all, that power is
reserved to the states. I have not heard of any federal "medical
marijuana" law.
> yet you are ok with a
> right wing president engaging in egregious treasonous acts
> , lying to war, exposing spys for political gain, arming enemies of the USA.
>
>
If such things have happened, they have happened under both Democrat and
>
>
Republican administrations. One of the biggest such offenders was LBJ
during the Vietnam war. You haven't said it in so many words, but
you're apparently attacking President George W. Bush. Until you open
your eyes to condemn Clinton and Obama with similar vigor, you are
nothing but a hypocrite.
John Manning
May 25, 2012, 9:50:39 AM5/25/12
to
voted 90 to 6 to deny the funds required to close Gauntanamo
and to bar the transfer of detainees to the United States and
its territories.
Funds to Close Guantánamo Denied - NYTimes.com
New York Times - The Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday
to cut from a war spending bill the $80 million requested by
President Obama to close the detention center at Guantánamo Bay,
Cuba, and to bar the transfer of detainees to the United States and
its territories.
The vote, which complicates Mr. Obama's efforts to shutter
the prison by his deadline of Jan. 22, 2010, was 90 to 6.
Republicans voted unanimously in favor of cutting the money...
Full article here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html?pagewanted=all
Logan Sacket
May 25, 2012, 10:19:26 AM5/25/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 16:38:58 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Goverment can certainly solve a lot of problems by removing itself
from the equation.
wrote:
from the equation.
Logan Sacket
May 25, 2012, 10:33:38 AM5/25/12
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Turns out that he wasn't as much a part of that as you were led to
believe either.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/the_illusion_of_obamas_bin_laden_raid_situation_room_leadership.html
Obama apparently stayed out on the golf course so he could distance
himself in case it went wrong.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/the_illusion_of_obamas_bin_laden_raid_situation_room_leadership.html
Turns out the photo's of the situation room were doctored just as was
his last phony birth certificate.
wrote:
believe either.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/the_illusion_of_obamas_bin_laden_raid_situation_room_leadership.html
Obama apparently stayed out on the golf course so he could distance
himself in case it went wrong.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/the_illusion_of_obamas_bin_laden_raid_situation_room_leadership.html
Turns out the photo's of the situation room were doctored just as was
his last phony birth certificate.
Just Wondering
May 25, 2012, 5:26:45 PM5/25/12
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On 5/25/2012 7:50 AM, John Manning wrote:
>
> Obama isn't a dictator.
That's absolutely true.
>
> Obama isn't a dictator.
Obama is not a dictator.
Obama is a post turtle.
Mitchell Holman
May 25, 2012, 5:30:05 PM5/25/12
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logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> >> >>> my á áopponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for
>>> >> >>> why he th
>>> > inks
>>> >> >>> á áhe should be president is his business experience.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áHe's not going out there touting his experience in
>>> >> >>> Massachuset
>>> > ts.
>>> >> >>> á áHe's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix it,
>>> >> >>> and á áthis is his business.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áAnd when you're president, as opposed to the head of a
>>> >> >>> private á áequity firm, your job is not simply to maximize
>>> >> >>> profits.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to figure out how everybody in the country has
>>> >> >>> a f
>>> > air
>>> >> >>> á áshot.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about those workers who get laid off,
>>> >> >>> and
>>> > áhow
>>> >> >>> á áare we paying for their retraining.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about how those communities can start
>>> >> >>> á ácreating new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job as president is to think about how do we set up
>>> >> >>> an á áequitable tax system so that everybody's paying their
>>> >> >>> fair sha
>>> > re,
>>> >> >>> á áthat allows us then to invest in science, and technology,
>>> >> >>> and á áinfrastructure, all of which are going to help us
>>> >> >>> grow.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áAnd so if your main argument for how to grow the economy
>>> >> >>> is "I á áknew how to make a lot of money for investors then
>>> >> >>> you're miss
>>> > ing
>>> >> >>> á áwhat this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good
>>> >> >>> at á áprivate equity. But that's not what my job is as
>>> >> >>> president.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to make sure the country is growing not just
>>> >> >>> now, bu
>>> > t 10
>>> >> >>> á áyears from now, twenty years from now."
Oh golly another Birther lunatic.
Didn't you guys go back to your Elvis sightings
and faked moon landing conspiracies?
news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>On May 24, 5:01ápm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>>> com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On May 24, 4:03ápm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> >> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> >logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>> >> >news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning
>>> >> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >>>President Barack Obama:
>>>
>>> >> >>> á á"The reason why this is relevant to the campaign is that
>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>>> com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On May 24, 4:03ápm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>
>>> >> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> >logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>> >> >news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning
>>> >> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >>>President Barack Obama:
>>>
>>> >> >>> my á áopponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for
>>> >> >>> why he th
>>> > inks
>>> >> >>> á áhe should be president is his business experience.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áHe's not going out there touting his experience in
>>> >> >>> Massachuset
>>> > ts.
>>> >> >>> á áHe's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix it,
>>> >> >>> and á áthis is his business.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áAnd when you're president, as opposed to the head of a
>>> >> >>> private á áequity firm, your job is not simply to maximize
>>> >> >>> profits.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to figure out how everybody in the country has
>>> >> >>> a f
>>> > air
>>> >> >>> á áshot.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about those workers who get laid off,
>>> >> >>> and
>>> > áhow
>>> >> >>> á áare we paying for their retraining.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about how those communities can start
>>> >> >>> á ácreating new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áYour job as president is to think about how do we set up
>>> >> >>> an á áequitable tax system so that everybody's paying their
>>> >> >>> fair sha
>>> > re,
>>> >> >>> á áthat allows us then to invest in science, and technology,
>>> >> >>> and á áinfrastructure, all of which are going to help us
>>> >> >>> grow.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áAnd so if your main argument for how to grow the economy
>>> >> >>> is "I á áknew how to make a lot of money for investors then
>>> >> >>> you're miss
>>> > ing
>>> >> >>> á áwhat this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good
>>> >> >>> at á áprivate equity. But that's not what my job is as
>>> >> >>> president.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
>>>
>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to make sure the country is growing not just
>>> >> >>> now, bu
>>> > t 10
>>> >> >>> á áyears from now, twenty years from now."
>>>
>>> >> >>>http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-bain-e
>>> >> >>>xpla ins
>>> > -
>>> >> >>>why.html
>>>
>>> >> >> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the
>>> >> >> jobless recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone
>>> >> >> who knows how economics work in America instead of bashing
>>> >> >> someone who has made it work.
>>>
>>> >> > á áSo what you are calling for is a president who
>>> >> >>>http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-bain-e
>>> >> >>>xpla ins
>>> > -
>>> >> >>>why.html
>>>
>>> >> >> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the
>>> >> >> jobless recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone
>>> >> >> who knows how economics work in America instead of bashing
>>> >> >> someone who has made it work.
>>>
>>> >> >can lower the deficit, lower unemployment and raise
>>> >> >the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
>>>
>>> >> Only with a Republican Congress. áI would love to see Bill
>>> >> >the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
>>>
>>> >> Clinton as pres instead of Obama.
>>>
>>> > so would I.
>>>
>>> á áObama is Bush Lite.
>>>
>>> > so would I.
>>>
>>>
>>> December 17, 2010
>>> Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
>>>
>>> 10-25-2011
>>> Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
>>>
>>> 30 September 2011
>>> Obama administration seeks first death penalty
>>> via military tribunal at Guantánamo
>>> December 17, 2010
>>> Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
>>>
>>> 10-25-2011
>>> Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
>>>
>>> 30 September 2011
>>> Obama administration seeks first death penalty
Didn't you guys go back to your Elvis sightings
and faked moon landing conspiracies?
ala
May 26, 2012, 9:18:01 AM5/26/12
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"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA05EA67CE6DD7...@216.196.121.131...
.
>
>
> Oh golly another Birther lunatic.
>
> Didn't you guys go back to your Elvis sightings
> and faked moon landing conspiracies?
>
>
>
Bill Maher yesterday started the Wifer movement, with some fascinating
>
>
> Oh golly another Birther lunatic.
>
> Didn't you guys go back to your Elvis sightings
> and faked moon landing conspiracies?
>
>
>
"evidence" that Romney has more than one wife but is covering it up lol
Logan Sacket
May 26, 2012, 10:14:03 AM5/26/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Can you explain why Obama won't provide any evidence of his
birthplace?
Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
put him on the ballot.
All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
ask?
If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
Is he just being his narsisitic self or does he have something to
hide? What's the agenda?
birthplace?
Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
put him on the ballot.
All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
ask?
If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
Is he just being his narsisitic self or does he have something to
hide? What's the agenda?
Mitchell Holman
May 26, 2012, 10:35:45 AM5/26/12
to
logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc0e3be.1642062
@news.eternal-september.org:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 24, 5:01�pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632-80b3-
4757b8...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>>>>> >> >>> my � �opponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for
>>>>> >> >>> why he th
>>>>> > inks
>>>>> >> >>> � �he should be president is his business experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �He's not going out there touting his experience in
>>>>> >> >>> Massachuset
>>>>> > ts.
>>>>> >> >>> � �He's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix
it,
>>>>> >> >>> and � �this is his business.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a
>>>>> >> >>> private � �equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize
>>>>> >> >>> profits.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country
has
>>>>> >> >>> a f
>>>>> > air
>>>>> >> >>> � �shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job is to think about those workers who get laid
off,
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> > �how
>>>>> >> >>> � �are we paying for their retraining.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job is to think about how those communities can
start
>>>>> >> >>> � �creating new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job as president is to think about how do we set up
>>>>> >> >>> an � �equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their
>>>>> >> >>> fair sha
>>>>> > re,
>>>>> >> >>> � �that allows us then to invest in science, and technology,
>>>>> >> >>> and � �infrastructure, all of which are going to help us
>>>>> >> >>> grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �And so if your main argument for how to grow the economy
>>>>> >> >>> is "I � �knew how to make a lot of money for investors then
>>>>> >> >>> you're miss
>>>>> > ing
>>>>> >> >>> � �what this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good
>>>>> >> >>> at � �private equity. But that's not what my job is as
>>>>> >> >>> president.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �My job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �My job is to make sure the country is growing not just
>>>>> >> >>> now, bu
>>>>> > t 10
>>>>> >> >>> � �years from now, twenty years from now."
Even The Donald has admitted Obama was
born in Hawaii. Get with the program.
> Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
> put him on the ballot.
>
Er....wrong. Obama was on the AZ ballot in 2008
> All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
> out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
> ask?
If his BC is "fake" then show us the "real" one.
>
> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
the problem?
@news.eternal-september.org:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 24, 5:01�pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
4757b8...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>>>>> com:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On May 24, 4:03�pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>>>>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> >> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> >logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>>>> >> >news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning
>>>>> >> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>President Barack Obama:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �"The reason why this is relevant to the campaign is that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On May 24, 4:03�pm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>>>>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>
>>>>> >> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> >logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>>>> >> >news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning
>>>>> >> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>President Barack Obama:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> my � �opponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for
>>>>> >> >>> why he th
>>>>> > inks
>>>>> >> >>> � �he should be president is his business experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �He's not going out there touting his experience in
>>>>> >> >>> Massachuset
>>>>> > ts.
>>>>> >> >>> � �He's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix
it,
>>>>> >> >>> and � �this is his business.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �And when you're president, as opposed to the head of a
>>>>> >> >>> private � �equity firm, your job is not simply to maximize
>>>>> >> >>> profits.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job is to figure out how everybody in the country
has
>>>>> >> >>> a f
>>>>> > air
>>>>> >> >>> � �shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job is to think about those workers who get laid
off,
>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>> > �how
>>>>> >> >>> � �are we paying for their retraining.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job is to think about how those communities can
start
>>>>> >> >>> � �creating new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �Your job as president is to think about how do we set up
>>>>> >> >>> an � �equitable tax system so that everybody's paying their
>>>>> >> >>> fair sha
>>>>> > re,
>>>>> >> >>> � �that allows us then to invest in science, and technology,
>>>>> >> >>> and � �infrastructure, all of which are going to help us
>>>>> >> >>> grow.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �And so if your main argument for how to grow the economy
>>>>> >> >>> is "I � �knew how to make a lot of money for investors then
>>>>> >> >>> you're miss
>>>>> > ing
>>>>> >> >>> � �what this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good
>>>>> >> >>> at � �private equity. But that's not what my job is as
>>>>> >> >>> president.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �My job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>> � �My job is to make sure the country is growing not just
>>>>> >> >>> now, bu
>>>>> > t 10
>>>>> >> >>> � �years from now, twenty years from now."
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-
bain-e
>>>>> >> >>>xpla ins
>>>>> > -
>>>>> >> >>>why.html
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the
>>>>> >> >> jobless recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone
>>>>> >> >> who knows how economics work in America instead of bashing
>>>>> >> >> someone who has made it work.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> > � �So what you are calling for is a president who
>>>>> >> >>>http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-
bain-e
>>>>> >> >>>xpla ins
>>>>> > -
>>>>> >> >>>why.html
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the
>>>>> >> >> jobless recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone
>>>>> >> >> who knows how economics work in America instead of bashing
>>>>> >> >> someone who has made it work.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >can lower the deficit, lower unemployment and raise
>>>>> >> >the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Only with a Republican Congress. �I would love to see Bill
>>>>> >> >the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Clinton as pres instead of Obama.
>>>>>
>>>>> > so would I.
>>>>>
>>>>> � �Obama is Bush Lite.
>>>>>
>>>>> > so would I.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> December 17, 2010
>>>>> Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
>>>>>
>>>>> 10-25-2011
>>>>> Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
>>>>>
>>>>> 30 September 2011
>>>>> Obama administration seeks first death penalty
>>>>> via military tribunal at Guant�namo
>>>>> December 17, 2010
>>>>> Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
>>>>>
>>>>> 10-25-2011
>>>>> Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
>>>>>
>>>>> 30 September 2011
>>>>> Obama administration seeks first death penalty
born in Hawaii. Get with the program.
> Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
> put him on the ballot.
>
> All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
> out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
> ask?
>
> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
the problem?
Just Wondering
May 26, 2012, 3:49:50 PM5/26/12
to
partners at the same time. Did you harp about Clinton's conduct?
SkyEyes
May 27, 2012, 2:20:48 AM5/27/12
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On May 26, 7:35 am, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc0e3be.1642062
>
> >>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
Indeed. Even if he hadn't been born in Hawaii, he gets citizenship
naturally by virtue of his mother's having it.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
> logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc0e3be.1642062
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> > <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
> >>news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
> > <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>
> >>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>>On May 24, 5:01 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632-80b3-
>
> 4757b8390...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>
> >>>>On May 24, 5:01 pm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632-80b3-
>
naturally by virtue of his mother's having it.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
ala
May 27, 2012, 9:37:14 AM5/27/12
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"Just Wondering" <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bill Maher yesterday started the Wifer movement, with some fascinating
>> "evidence" that Romney has more than one wife but is covering it up lol
>
>
> Suppose it's true. So what?
the birther movement
>Clinton had a wife and other multiple sex partners at the same time. Did
>you harp about Clinton's conduct?
yes
but more because his head didn't change shape to my satisfaction
from World Science
http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/120508_crania
An 1847 pho�to of famed Mas�sa�chu�setts sen�a�tor Dan�iel Web�ster (left)
and a mod�ern pho�to of pres�i�den�tial can�di�date and form�er
Mas�sa�chu�setts gov�er�nor Mitt Rom�ney (right). Their faces may be
il�lus�tra�tive of gen�er�al trends af�fect�ing Amer�i�can skulls and faces:
they have be�come taller and nar�rower on av�er�age since Web�ster's time,
ac�cord�ing to an�thro�pol�o�gist Rich�ard Jantz. The se�lec�tion of these
two faces and pho�tos is un�sci�en�tif�ic and they have not been scaled to
show their true rel�a�tive sizes.
ala
May 27, 2012, 9:39:05 AM5/27/12
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"Logan Sacket" <logan....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can you explain why Obama won't provide any evidence of his
> birthplace?
> Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
> put him on the ballot.
>
> All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
> out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
> ask?
>
> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
> Is he just being his narsisitic self or does he have something to
> hide? What's the agenda?
what the state gave him as proof
Why won't the birthers sue the State of Hawaii for being deleterious
>
>
ala
May 27, 2012, 9:42:41 AM5/27/12
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news:XnsA05F616A95470...@216.196.121.131...
>
> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
> citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
> the problem?
>
I suspect it's because Obama is really from 55 Can苞ri e
but they don't have a birth certificate process so he had to get Hawaii to
fake his certificate
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120508_55CancriE
The plan苟t, called 55 Can苞ri e, falls in負o a class of plan苟ts termed
su計er Earths, which are heav虹苟r than our home world but light苟r than
gi苔nt plan苟ts like Nep負une. It's about twice as big and eight times as
mas貞ive as Earth, and hugs its home star-55 Can苞ri-in such a tight or苑it
that its year lasts 18 hours.
>
> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
> citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
> the problem?
>
but they don't have a birth certificate process so he had to get Hawaii to
fake his certificate
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120508_55CancriE
The plan苟t, called 55 Can苞ri e, falls in負o a class of plan苟ts termed
su計er Earths, which are heav虹苟r than our home world but light苟r than
gi苔nt plan苟ts like Nep負une. It's about twice as big and eight times as
mas貞ive as Earth, and hugs its home star-55 Can苞ri-in such a tight or苑it
that its year lasts 18 hours.
ala
May 27, 2012, 9:44:44 AM5/27/12
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"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning <jrob...@terra.com.br>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>President Barack Obama:
>
> And so we got a community organizer who never ran a company.
>
What company did Reagan run?
>
linuxgal
May 27, 2012, 10:24:07 AM5/27/12
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ala
May 27, 2012, 11:18:29 AM5/27/12
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"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
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Logan Sacket
May 27, 2012, 11:42:46 AM5/27/12
to
On Sat, 26 May 2012 09:35:45 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>> >> >>> my á áopponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for
>>>>>> >> >>> why he th
>>>>>> > inks
>>>>>> >> >>> á áhe should be president is his business experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áHe's not going out there touting his experience in
>>>>>> >> >>> Massachuset
>>>>>> > ts.
>>>>>> >> >>> á áHe's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix
>it,
>>>>>> >> >>> private á áequity firm, your job is not simply to maximize
>>>>>> >> >>> profits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to figure out how everybody in the country
>has
>>>>>> >> >>> a f
>>>>>> > air
>>>>>> >> >>> á áshot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about those workers who get laid
>off,
>>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>>> > áhow
>>>>>> >> >>> á áare we paying for their retraining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about how those communities can
>start
>>>>>> >> >>> á ácreating new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job as president is to think about how do we set up
>>>>>> >> >>> an á áequitable tax system so that everybody's paying their
>>>>>> >> >>> fair sha
>>>>>> > re,
>>>>>> >> >>> á áthat allows us then to invest in science, and technology,
>>>>>> >> >>> and á áinfrastructure, all of which are going to help us
>>>>>> >> >>> grow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áAnd so if your main argument for how to grow the economy
>>>>>> >> >>> is "I á áknew how to make a lot of money for investors then
>>>>>> >> >>> you're miss
>>>>>> > ing
>>>>>> >> >>> á áwhat this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good
>>>>>> >> >>> at á áprivate equity. But that's not what my job is as
>>>>>> >> >>> president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to make sure the country is growing not just
>>>>>> >> >>> now, bu
>>>>>> > t 10
>>>>>> >> >>> á áyears from now, twenty years from now."
Donald has no proof of that.
>> Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
>> put him on the ballot.
>>
>
> Er....wrong. Obama was on the AZ ballot in 2008
This is for 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-secretary-state-wants-see-obamas-birth-certificate-195231726--abc-news-politics.htmll
>
>> All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
>> out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
>> ask?
>
>
> If his BC is "fake" then show us the "real" one.
It been shown to be a fake. Your question is exactly what the
birther's are asking.
>>
>> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
>
>
> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
>citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
>the problem?
There are condidtions, which I can't recall all of them right now.
For one thing she has had to have residence in the USA for a certain
number of years before he was born.
I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm questioning is why is Obama
still withholding a simple thing like his BC?
<nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc0e3be.1642062
>@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>>news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 24, 5:01ápm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632-80b3-
>4757b8...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>>>>>> com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On May 24, 4:03ápm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>>>>> >> >news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning
>>>>>> >> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>President Barack Obama:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á á"The reason why this is relevant to the campaign is that
>logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc0e3be.1642062
>@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:30:05 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>>news:4fc1957a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 23:25:53 -0700 (PDT), sully <suls...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 24, 5:01ápm, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> sully <sulsn...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> innews:6c92ec00-e678-4632-80b3-
>4757b8...@ra8g2000pbc.googlegroups.
>>>>>> com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On May 24, 4:03ápm, logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote:
>>>>>> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:44:36 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >> >logan.sac...@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
>>>>>> >> >news:4fbd159d...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 15:49:38 -0300, John Manning
>>>>>> >> >> <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>President Barack Obama:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> my á áopponent, Governor Romney, his main calling card for
>>>>>> >> >>> why he th
>>>>>> > inks
>>>>>> >> >>> á áhe should be president is his business experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áHe's not going out there touting his experience in
>>>>>> >> >>> Massachuset
>>>>>> > ts.
>>>>>> >> >>> á áHe's saying, I'm a business guy, and I know how to fix
>it,
>>>>>> >> >>> and á áthis is his business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áAnd when you're president, as opposed to the head of a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> private á áequity firm, your job is not simply to maximize
>>>>>> >> >>> profits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to figure out how everybody in the country
>has
>>>>>> >> >>> a f
>>>>>> > air
>>>>>> >> >>> á áshot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about those workers who get laid
>off,
>>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>>> > áhow
>>>>>> >> >>> á áare we paying for their retraining.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job is to think about how those communities can
>start
>>>>>> >> >>> á ácreating new clusters so they can attract new businesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áYour job as president is to think about how do we set up
>>>>>> >> >>> an á áequitable tax system so that everybody's paying their
>>>>>> >> >>> fair sha
>>>>>> > re,
>>>>>> >> >>> á áthat allows us then to invest in science, and technology,
>>>>>> >> >>> and á áinfrastructure, all of which are going to help us
>>>>>> >> >>> grow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áAnd so if your main argument for how to grow the economy
>>>>>> >> >>> is "I á áknew how to make a lot of money for investors then
>>>>>> >> >>> you're miss
>>>>>> > ing
>>>>>> >> >>> á áwhat this job is about." It doesn't mean you weren't good
>>>>>> >> >>> at á áprivate equity. But that's not what my job is as
>>>>>> >> >>> president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to take into account everybody, not just some.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> á áMy job is to make sure the country is growing not just
>>>>>> >> >>> now, bu
>>>>>> > t 10
>>>>>> >> >>> á áyears from now, twenty years from now."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-
>bain-e
>>>>>> >> >>>xpla ins
>>>>>> > -
>>>>>> >> >>>why.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the
>>>>>> >> >> jobless recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone
>>>>>> >> >> who knows how economics work in America instead of bashing
>>>>>> >> >> someone who has made it work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > á áSo what you are calling for is a president who
>>>>>> >> >>>http://www.americablog.com/2012/05/obama-nails-romney-on-
>bain-e
>>>>>> >> >>>xpla ins
>>>>>> > -
>>>>>> >> >>>why.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >> Considering the mess Obama has made of the economy and the
>>>>>> >> >> jobless recovery, [if that] he should be looking for someone
>>>>>> >> >> who knows how economics work in America instead of bashing
>>>>>> >> >> someone who has made it work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >can lower the deficit, lower unemployment and raise
>>>>>> >> >the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Only with a Republican Congress. áI would love to see Bill
>>>>>> >> >the stock market - in other words, Bill Clinton.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Clinton as pres instead of Obama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > so would I.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> á áObama is Bush Lite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > so would I.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> December 17, 2010
>>>>>> Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10-25-2011
>>>>>> Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 30 September 2011
>>>>>> Obama administration seeks first death penalty
>>>>>> via military tribunal at Guantánamo
>>>>>> December 17, 2010
>>>>>> Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10-25-2011
>>>>>> Obama Follows Bush Timetable to Get Out of Iraq.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 30 September 2011
>>>>>> Obama administration seeks first death penalty
>> Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
>> put him on the ballot.
>>
>
> Er....wrong. Obama was on the AZ ballot in 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-secretary-state-wants-see-obamas-birth-certificate-195231726--abc-news-politics.htmll
>
>> All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
>> out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much to
>> ask?
>
>
> If his BC is "fake" then show us the "real" one.
birther's are asking.
>>
>> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
>
>
> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
>citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
>the problem?
For one thing she has had to have residence in the USA for a certain
number of years before he was born.
I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm questioning is why is Obama
still withholding a simple thing like his BC?
Mitchell Holman
May 27, 2012, 6:11:56 PM5/27/12
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logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in
news:4fc3499a...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> Heck, even the state of Arizona can't obtain it for verification to
>>> put him on the ballot.
>>>
>>
>> Er....wrong. Obama was on the AZ ballot in 2008
>
> This is for 2012
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-secretary-state-wants-see-obamas-birth-ce
> rtificate-195231726--abc-news-politics.htmll
>
>>
>>> All the birthers are asking for is to stop stonewalling and putting
>>> out fake documents and to show some transparency. Is that too much
>>> to ask?
>>
>>
>> If his BC is "fake" then show us the "real" one.
>
> It been shown to be a fake. Your question is exactly what the
> birther's are asking.
born in Kenya. where is their proof?
>>>
>>> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
>>
>>
>> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
>>citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
>>the problem?
>
> There are condidtions, which I can't recall all of them right now.
> For one thing she has had to have residence in the USA for a certain
> number of years before he was born.
>
> I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm questioning is why is Obama
> still withholding a simple thing like his BC?
Where is the contrasting BC from the Birthers?
Logan Sacket
May 27, 2012, 8:02:56 PM5/27/12
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On Sun, 27 May 2012 17:11:56 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Obama has not. The BC he revealed is a fraud. If you not up on this,
then why are you responding?
> Where is the contrasting BC from the Birthers?
They don't need one. The requirement is that Obama is a natural born
citizen. It would be simple for him to show the American people an
unphotoshopped image of his real BC. Instead, he throws something out
that is easily noticed as highly edited, and poorly done at that.
then why are you responding?
> Where is the contrasting BC from the Birthers?
citizen. It would be simple for him to show the American people an
unphotoshopped image of his real BC. Instead, he throws something out
that is easily noticed as highly edited, and poorly done at that.
Mitchell Holman
May 28, 2012, 7:49:07 AM5/28/12
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logan....@gmail.com (Logan Sacket) wrote in news:4fc2bfcf.1258375
@news.eternal-september.org:
Well?
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
>>>>citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
>>>>the problem?
>>>
>>> There are condidtions, which I can't recall all of them right now.
>>> For one thing she has had to have residence in the USA for a certain
>>> number of years before he was born.
>>
>>
>> Where is the Birther proof on that?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm questioning is why is Obama
>>> still withholding a simple thing like his BC?
>>
>>
>> Obama has already revealed his BC.
>
> Obama has not. The BC he revealed is a fraud.
According to whom?
>
>> Where is the contrasting BC from the Birthers?
>
> They don't need one. The requirement is that Obama is a natural born
> citizen.
Obama is the son of an American citizen. That makes
him a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
Why isn't that sinking in?
@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If he is a natural born citizen, then what is the problem?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even the Birthers admit his mother was an American
>>>>citizen so he by defination an American citizen. What's
>>>>the problem?
>>>
>>> There are condidtions, which I can't recall all of them right now.
>>> For one thing she has had to have residence in the USA for a certain
>>> number of years before he was born.
>>
>>
>> Where is the Birther proof on that?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not saying he was or wasn't. All I'm questioning is why is Obama
>>> still withholding a simple thing like his BC?
>>
>>
>> Obama has already revealed his BC.
>
> Obama has not. The BC he revealed is a fraud.
>
>> Where is the contrasting BC from the Birthers?
>
> They don't need one. The requirement is that Obama is a natural born
> citizen.
him a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.
Why isn't that sinking in?
sully
May 29, 2012, 2:38:51 PM5/29/12
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On May 25, 1:35 am, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 5/25/2012 12:14 AM, sully wrote:
>
>
>
> > pardon me, I didn't say that you claimed something that you didn't
> > say, what I pointed out was the meaning of what you wrote.
>
> In other words, you claim that I meant something completely different
> than what I said.
No, I claim that what you say has a meaning you've managed to
> On 5/25/2012 12:14 AM, sully wrote:
>
>
>
> > pardon me, I didn't say that you claimed something that you didn't
> > say, what I pointed out was the meaning of what you wrote.
>
> In other words, you claim that I meant something completely different
> than what I said.
rationalize away.
>
> > As a liberal, I claim that
> > a president can and should try to solve the country's problems.
>
> What you said, and I quote: "According to the right wing, presidents aren't
> supposed to try to solve problems."
>
> > You argued with me, said no, a president is only supposed to fulfill the
> > letter of the powers explicitly given to him in the constitution.
>
> No, I explained how your statement that "According to the right wing,
> presidents aren't
> supposed to try to solve problems" was not accurate.
>
> > I pointed out that a president can proactively solve problems and not
> > overstep his granted powers, and that this has been the reality of the
> > presidency since and including Washington.
>
> Look back over this thread. You never pointed out any such thing.
can solve problems AND fulfill his oath.
>
> > Your 'literal' interpretation of presidential duty is assigned so that
> > you would limit the mission of government to not solve problems, but
> > leave that solely to the rich and powerful to choose.
>
> Not at all. My description of how government works was accurate. Look
> again, what I said was that the President's power to solve problems is
> not unlimited but rather is defined by the Constitution and statutes. I
> invited you twice to contradict me, and you declined both invitations.
his power are not in question, that's why
I didn't bother.
The constitution points out limits to a
president's powers, and also grants certain powers.
He can exercise powers up to those limits,
AND he can assert leadership to motivate
people to do things even if he has no direct authority
to make them do so. That is what leadership
is.
>
>
>
> > Yet right wingers have never elected a president that has done so.
> > They have elected presidents that cede decisionmaking to the wealthy
> > cabal in this country.
>
> I understand you would like that statement to be true. Your wishes do
> not make it true.
>
>
>
> > You want to claim that a president can't take pro-active measures to solve problems.
>
> That's a flat out lie and you know it.
problems?
Me:> According to the right wing, presidents aren't
> supposed to try to solve problems,
> that's the job of the aristocracy.
You: Wrong as usual. According to the right wing, presidents are
> that's the job of the aristocracy.
supposed to
live up to the oath of office, which requires them to swear to uphold
the Constitution and execute the laws passed by Congress. When the
Constitution or federal statutes give the President problem-solving
live up to the oath of office, which requires them to swear to uphold
the Constitution and execute the laws passed by Congress. When the
authority, he is supposed to exercise that authority. There are many
statutes that do, and he would remiss in his duties if he did NOT
solve
problems within the authority given him by the Constitution. But when
no provision of the Constitution or the U.S. Code gives the President
problem-solving authority, a president has no lawful power to act.
The
Constitution generally gives Congress, not the President, the power to
set policy.
****
You are defining the presidency as ONLY doing what Congress and the
Constitution tells him to do. Yet the president can and should ask
Congress
to do things that he has no authority to do.
For example: Declare War. FDR asked Congress to declare war on
Japan. Did he break his oath to uphold the constitution?
>
>
>
> > A president can and does so by asserting leadership and asking Congress
> > to pass laws, appropriate funds, etc, to achieve that.
>
> Presidents solve problems by "asserting leadership"? Presidents solve
> problems by asking Congress to pass laws?
> Seems to me that if a problem is solved by passing a law, and Congress
> passes the law, it's Congress that solves the problem.
>
>
>
> > What is whacky is I pointed out egregious abuses of power by right
> > wing presidents
>
> Where in this thread did you do that?
to lie into a massive illegal and immoral war,
ok to out a working CIA officer during time of
war. It's also ok for another right wing hero
to sell arms to a terrorist state, circumventing
specific laws against such a thing, in order to
delay the release of hostages taken by that
terror state. "
>
> > that you and your fellow right wingers never raised a
> > peep about "constitutionality".
>
> The biggest egregious abuses of power have resulted from the federal
> government usurping powers the Constitution says are reserved to the
> states. If right wing presidents are guilty of that, left wing
> presidents are even more guilty. I have often protested about such
> federal usurpations of power. And the chief pioneer and architect of
> federal usurpation of state power was Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat.
FDR's policy, leading the way for "activist courts". LOL.
>
> > If Obama chooses not to enforce
> > certain laws, gay marriage, medical marijuana, etc, I agree with
> > you that technically he is violating his oath,
>
> Gotta burst your bubble here. The federal government can enforce only
> federal laws. There is no federal "gay marriage" law. To the extent
> government has the power to regulate marriage at all, that power is
> reserved to the states. I have not heard of any federal "medical
> marijuana" law.
"Controlled Substance Act"?
Your positions are so untenable you have to be
deliberately obtuse? You pretend there are
no federal drug laws????????
>
> > yet you are ok with a
> > right wing president engaging in egregious treasonous acts
>
> To what acts do you refer?> , lying to war, exposing spys for political gain, arming enemies of the USA.
>
> If such things have happened, they have happened under both Democrat and
> Republican administrations. One of the biggest such offenders was LBJ
> during the Vietnam war. You haven't said it in so many words, but
> you're apparently attacking President George W. Bush. Until you open
> your eyes to condemn Clinton and Obama with similar vigor, you are
> nothing but a hypocrite.
Democrats the primary party responsible, though
by the time I became aware of how wrong the
war was, Nixon was in office.
I thought Clinton's unilateral bombing in defense
of Kosovo was unconstitutional.
Obama was saddled with two wars he didn't
start, one constitutional, one illegal.
I may be a hypocrite, but it's nothing in this thread.
ala
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>I may be a hypocrite, but it's nothing in this thread.
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