Art Damning and Cursing Queers, Fools and Infidels on Arm
Aaron Kim
"And I'll whip your ass, too, with a rod.
Something your mamma never gave you,
you god-damned infidel."
http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art1.gif
"God-damned queers on arm!
You shall be destroyed, saith the Lord."
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"Where two or three are gathered, there will I be also."
Matthew 18:20
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Fool Speck
presents himself as a stereotypical lunatic prophet, complete with
long shaggy hair and unkempt beard. He emulates the cliche of an old
testament prophet -- or a kidnapper of young girls from their beds at
night.
Art is such a disappointment. If you dab left over paint on a crusty
brush at an over used stencil, you have Art Bulla. Shame that if he
is going to waste his life on a mission of delusion, the least he
could do is devote some time to making himself stand out a little from
the shaggy, bearded crowd of self-proclaimed prophets.
And Art's website is pretty typical of his hypocrisy. He steals the
artwork of others while posting his own copyright at the bottom.
Steve Lowther
Forwhatitsworth
"Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote in message >
> http://www.artbulla.com/images/ArtandAaron.gif
> "Where two or three are gathered, there will I be also."
Aaron! Hey! Don't drink the Kool-Aid!!! And if you drop the soap, DO NOT
pick it up!
Atrox
> http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art2.gif
> "And I'll whip your ass, too, with a rod.
> Something your mamma never gave you,
> you god-damned infidel."
>
> http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art1.gif
> "God-damned queers on arm!
> You shall be destroyed, saith the Lord."
>
> http://www.artbulla.com/images/ArtandAaron.gif
> "Where two or three are gathered, there will I be also."
> Matthew 18:20
>
Hey look!! Group photos of the members of the only true church!! How often
do you get to see every living human that will inhabit the celestial kingdom
all in one photo! Hey that's neat!
Unruly Human
"Atrox" <liv_n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
No shit. And I didn't even know that my garbageman was one of them.
Cheers,
Don Marchant
Dangerous1 dot com
Think global, act loco
Aaron Kim
The devil has great power to deceive; he will so transform things as to
make one gape at those who are doing the will of God.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.205
And we shall at last have to come to this conclusion, whatever we may think
of revelation, that without it we can neither know nor understand anything
of God, or the devil; and however unwilling the world may be to acknowledge
this principle, it is evident from the multifarious creeds and notions
concerning this matter that they understand nothing of this principle, and
it is equally as plain that without a divine communication they must remain
in ignorance. The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and
those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence
they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these
had to hide themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and
though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their
society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves,
vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.
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Joshua Gemmell
wrote:
>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.227
> The devil has great power to deceive; he will so transform things as to
>make one gape at those who are doing the will of God.
>
>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Four 1839-42 Pg.205
>And we shall at last have to come to this conclusion, whatever we may think
>of revelation, that without it we can neither know nor understand anything
>of God, or the devil; and however unwilling the world may be to acknowledge
>this principle, it is evident from the multifarious creeds and notions
>concerning this matter that they understand nothing of this principle, and
>it is equally as plain that without a divine communication they must remain
>in ignorance. The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and
>those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence
>they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these
>had to hide themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and
>though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their
>society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves,
>vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.
HERE IS AN EXAMPLE of what a queer, fool and infidel has to say,
perhaps the only hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men are the
ones who lack real love for others . . . .
When our Lord returns to give us our crowns, it is only human to make
mistakes, you may not have had the faith to receive a crown, but there
is a special reward, which, Art Bulla must aim for in this life.
Learn the story of the Day the King of kings came to give Art his
crown.
When we were born, our Lord gave each one of us a crown of cardboard.
Our glory here on earth is only a crown of cardboard.
As Art grew in the knowledge of Christ, the day came that he chose to
enter into the waters of baptism, the Lord then commands Art to go and
dip his crown of cardboard into his pool of living waters.
The living waters pull as if gravity and Art said the Lord does not
know that I just dip a small part. Art you may not have had the faith
to dip it in all the way, and just dip a small part.
Upon meeting the Lord on the day that he came to give you a crown, he
asked Art to show him your crown of cardboard, and then you were
amazement that only the small part you dip into the living waters had
turn into a beautiful blue metal.
Then Art became discourage, and upon seeing the Lord's littlest angel
next to the Lord, he ran to clean the floor and place his coat on the
floor so the little angel could sit.
Art, you did not know that Joshua was that littlest angel. Now, Art
did not have a perfect crown of glory, but the Lord upon seeing his
kindness with his littlest angel, turn to Art and embrace him and gave
him greater reward for his kindness, which surpass even the metal
crown of glory.
What Jesus gave Art was his love, which is a reward that Art shall
never lose, which is the reward of receiving all that our heavenly
father has, for in his Kingdom, the King knows that Art's spirit will
always share the truth with others, and he shall always defend his
weak brothers and helpless sisters.
Therefore, Art may not have a crown to put on his head, but Art has
something he can never lose, Art has God's love crowning his heart,
and he shall walk among the fairest of God's children upon this earth
and never be ashamed of his fainting glory, for his glory is from
within his heart.
Oh, Art Bulla do you not understand that metals do rust upon this
earth, and a crown of cardboard is all that we have given today.
Brother Bulla, you should known this well, that living in a trailer in
the Baja is only a crown of cardboard, and it has no glory that anyone
should desire it, but the crown of glory you now hope of receiving is
a crown of beautiful metal.
On the day the Lord returns to take up his kingdom, know that it is
your love that turns your cardboard crown into one of glory and gives
you power. However, what is man's exaltation without a real love for
others, the gravity within the living waters of Christ shall always be
the real love we have for others. By partaking of very Tree of Life
man is only given fruits of Love, but we come to know God this way;
Therefore, where would Art be if were not for nourishment of real
love?
Dear Brother Bulla, learn that the real Love for others will turn your
cardboard crown into a glorious metal. If by chance Joshua fails to
dip his crown of cardboard in the living waters of Christ to receive a
crown of glory, Joshua knows that having a real love of God in him,
will do him good when the Lord returns.
Know that our God is Love, and he will reward you for the love you
have shown to others. Our cardboard crowns is all that we have, and if
we be rich or poor, it is only cardboard in the eyes of God, but if we
use what we have for he benefit of others, then God's love will turn
our crowns of cardboard into crowns of glory.
Yes, it is written by the Council of Kolob that whoever is found to
have a real love for others on that glorious day shall receive a
special reward. Their reward is to have the heart of God within them,
which is the true scepter of God eternal power, which crowns the
heart.
Art let us not be a clown for a crown when we can be a real kings of
love and receive a real crowns of glory. Know that to Joshua it no
longer matter who is right or wrong, but that we should show the
proper love of God within us.
Joshua Israel Gemmell [A little fish against the tide]
(¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·><{{{'> [Art]
[Joshua] <'}}}><·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯)
(¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·><{{{'> [Jong]
(¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·><{{{'> [Aaron]
Art Bulla
You are a Sodomite. To a Sodomite such as yourself, all are sodomites. "To
the impure, all things are impure." I would not be you for the world.
Your fate, saith the Lord is the second death, which is the anhialation of
the spirit back to its native element, for you mock and jeer and crucify the
Lord's anointed afresh, and crucify the Lord afresh, denying the Holy Ghost,
which is unpardonable. What is funny? What is funny about losing your soul?
This ostrich-like behavior, however, to me is ludricous in the extreme.
Your government education which you think frees yourself to lift your head
in wickedness will prove to be nothing but purile atheistic brainwashing of
a dupe and a fool. A person is a spirit clothed in flesh and bones and is
to give an accounting for every idle word spoken or written.
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with
the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in
the world to come—
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied
the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves
and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone,
with the devil and his angels—
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of
the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 76:33 - 38)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted
of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they
crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(New Testament | Hebrews 6:4 - 6)
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Art Bulla
generation is the most wicked. Other generations were more righteous. Also
children who have died under the age of eight, go straight to God, and
there are many others who are innocent. Also the heathen nations who died
without law will be judged without the law. So the wicked such as yourself,
who know what they do, who mock and point the finger and jeer, who are
destroyed in hell are an inconsequential minority and are as trash burning
in Gehenna.
I know I have the truth and you have nothing and I know that my testimony is
true, for I have seen and heard and am an eyewitness. So I mock and jeer
at you as I look upon you as from a great height.
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold,
baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the
remission of sins.
12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the
world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a
respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without
baptism!
13 Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these
must have gone to an endless hell.
14 Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need
baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for he
hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while
in the thought, he must go down to hell.
15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because
of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.
16 Wo be unto them that shall pervert the ways of the Lord after this
manner, for they shall perish except they repent. Behold, I speak with
boldness, having authority from God; and I fear not what man can do; for
perfect love casteth out all fear.
(Book of Mormon | Moroni 8:11 - 16)
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he
hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath
resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing
formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one
vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of
mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the
Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my
people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them,
Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living
God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children
of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a
short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after
righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which
is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not
attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the
works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of
offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(New Testament | Romans 9:18 - 33)
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned.
(New Testament | Mark 16:16)
12 And blessed are the Gentiles, they of whom the prophet has written; for
behold, if it so be that they shall repent and fight not against Zion, and
do not unite themselves to that great and abominable church, they shall be
saved; for the Lord God will fulfil his covenants which he has made unto his
children; and for this cause the prophet has written these things.
13 Wherefore, they that fight against Zion and the covenant people of the
Lord shall lick up the dust of their feet; and the people of the Lord shall
not be ashamed. For the people of the Lord are they who wait for him; for
they still wait for the coming of the Messiah.
14 And behold, according to the words of the prophet, the Messiah will set
himself again the second time to recover them; wherefore, he will manifest
himself unto them in power and great glory, unto the destruction of their
enemies, when that day cometh when they shall believe in him; and none will
he destroy that believe in him.
15 And they that believe not in him shall be destroyed, both by fire, and by
tempest, and by earthquakes, and by bloodsheds, and by pestilence, and by
famine. And they shall know that the Lord is God, the Holy One of Israel.
16 For shall the prey be taken from the mighty, or the lawful captive
delivered?
17 But thus saith the Lord: Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken
away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered; for the Mighty God
shall deliver his covenant people. For thus saith the Lord: I will contend
with them that contendeth with thee—
18 And I will feed them that oppress thee, with their own flesh; and they
shall be drunken with their own blood as with sweet wine; and all flesh
shall know that I the Lord am thy Savior and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of
Jacob.
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Aaron Kim
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>
So because we believe that our Creater would choose to communicate to us,
His creation, through a legal administrator (Art Bulla now) just as he has
in the past as documented in the scriptures(the Bible, BoM, Doctrine and
Covenants, now Revelations of Jesus Christ) you and the rest mock us? The
order of Melchizedek
is the only legitimate priesthood that exists on the earth since Adam walked
the earth not your different man made sects like Protestants, Lutheran,
Catholics, etc. who operate without revelation from God which is scorned and
dismissed.
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all
them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 10)
Aaron
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You're the garbageman of a.r.m.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall
say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for
so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
(New Testament | Matthew 5:10 - 12)
Aaron
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> Cheers,
Aaron Kim
you is as follows:
3 And thou shalt be obedient unto the things which I shall give unto him,
even as Aaron, to declare faithfully the commandments and the revelations,
with power and authority unto the church.
4 And if thou art led at any time by the Comforter to speak or teach, or at
all times by the way of commandment unto the church, thou mayest do it.
5 But thou shalt not write by way of commandment, but by wisdom;
6 And thou shalt not command him who is at thy head, and at the head of the
church;
7 For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which
are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 28:3 - 7)
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Unruly Human
"Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
> You're the garbageman of a.r.m.
>
> 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall
> say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
> 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for
> so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
I FEEL blessed, too.
Forwhatitsworth
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> Fools mock.
> You are a Sodomite. To a Sodomite such as yourself, all are sodomites.
"To
> the impure, all things are impure." I would not be you for the world.
You are an idiot. You have always been an idiot, you will always be an
idiot. "To an idiot, all things are idiotic."
You are not me. You cannot be anybody but yourself. Why should I let you
have my life, when it's obvious you have FUBAR'ed your own?
Why can you not cure foot fungus?
Why were you wrong about ARM being moderated?
Why has Shriley dumped you?
Idiot.
Mark
FWIW
Forwhatitsworth
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> "Forwhatitsworth" <forwhat...@fwiw.com> wrote in message
> news:bopjcm$1h5si2$1...@ID-146091.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote in message >
> > > http://www.artbulla.com/images/ArtandAaron.gif
> > > "Where two or three are gathered, there will I be also."
> >
> > Aaron! Hey! Don't drink the Kool-Aid!!! And if you drop the soap, DO
> NOT
> > pick it up!
>
> So because we believe that our Creater would choose to communicate to us,
> His creation, through a legal administrator (Art Bulla now) just as he has
> in the past as documented in the scriptures(the Bible, BoM, Doctrine and
> Covenants, now Revelations of Jesus Christ) you and the rest mock us?
No, I mock you because you are an idiot, and you have dedicated your life
and your income to follow a bigger idiot. Ironically, you have no clue that
Art is an idiot.
Art could not administer a Mac II SE, let alone the kingdom of God on earth.
If he is such a hero, why are you and the other doofus his only followers,
now that Shriley has dumped y'all?
Mark
FWIW
Aaron Kim
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> Aaron Kim wrote:
>
> > "Unruly Human" <U...@Dangerous1.com> wrote in message
> > news:bopn72$1g1v99$1...@ID-135894.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >> In article <y5KdnVhAU7A...@comcast.com>,
> >> "Atrox" <liv_n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:vqv6ale...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > > http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art2.gif
> >> > > "And I'll whip your ass, too, with a rod.
> >> > > Something your mamma never gave you,
> >> > > you god-damned infidel."
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art1.gif
> >> > > "God-damned queers on arm!
> >> > > You shall be destroyed, saith the Lord."
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.artbulla.com/images/ArtandAaron.gif
> >> > > "Where two or three are gathered, there will I be also."
> >> > > Matthew 18:20
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Hey look!! Group photos of the members of the only true church!! How
> > often
> >> > do you get to see every living human that will inhabit the celestial
> > kingdom
> >> > all in one photo! Hey that's neat!
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> No shit. And I didn't even know that my garbageman was one of them.
> >
> > You're the garbageman of a.r.m.
>
> And your group is the trash.
>
> <snip>
To B(ut)t Head:
The Gospel does not appeal to nitwits like yourself.
Aaron
> Urim Thummim
>
> "Beware of 'God of the Gaps', the Incredible Shrinking Deity who fills the
> gaps in our understanding until understanding shrinks both gaps and God
> down to nothing."
> --George A. Staffa
>
Fool Speck
> The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and
> those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence
> they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these
> had to hide themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and
> though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their
> society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves,
> vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.
So for a lunatic to convince people he is a true prophet by using your
logic, all he has to do is appear as a false one.
Art Bulla has thoroughly convinced us by his failed prophecies about
Gimmel and about ARM moderation that he is speaking for no one but
himself.
But I guess this is just to prove to us by your logic that Art is a
true prophet because he does such an incredible job of mimmicking a
false one.
LOL
Steve Lowther
Scott Marquardt
>You are forgetting many more women will be saved than men, fool.
He's forgetting this? What was the impetus for his ever knowing it well
enough to forget it, in the first place?
>Also this generation is the most wicked.
Obviously, since so few of them take you seriously. It's the only logical
conclusion you can come to, isn't it?
>Other generations were more righteous. Also
>children who have died under the age of eight, go straight to God, and
>there are many others who are innocent. Also the heathen nations who died
>without law will be judged without the law. So the wicked such as yourself,
>who know what they do, who mock and point the finger and jeer, who are
>destroyed in hell are an inconsequential minority and are as trash burning
>in Gehenna.
Why? They "know" that they're mocking an idiot -- they do not "know" that
they're mocking a genuine prophet, Art.
Jesus asked his Father to forgive the Romans who were crucifying him
because they had no idea what they were doing. It seems to me that anyone
who considers you a genuine nut case is in the same position. And that's
pretty much everyone except Aaron and Jong.
>
>I know I have the truth and you have nothing and I know that my testimony is
>true, for I have seen and heard and am an eyewitness. So I mock and jeer
>at you as I look upon you as from a great height.
And your point in communicating this to people would be -- what? To
perpetuate the perception that you're a wacko?
<snip cut & paste nonsense>
- S
Scott Marquardt
Well, you did read the post a while back, didn't you, where Art himself
claimed that the prophesy about moderation was a trick he was pulling to
see whether we would call him a false prophet?
Go figure.
- Scott
Unruly Human
"Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Why don't you try to convert him instead of ridiculing?
Haven't you noticed that your current tactics have attracted two out of
six and a half billion? You have failed totally. The blame is on you,
Jong and Art for being dumb assholes. The Lord hates your failure, you
know.
Aaron Kim
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"Scott Marquardt" <was...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Art Bulla wrote:
>
> >You are forgetting many more women will be saved than men, fool.
>
> He's forgetting this? What was the impetus for his ever knowing it well
> enough to forget it, in the first place?
True doctrine, fool. Ostensibly anyone participating in an alt.religion.*
forum might be interested, fool. You need to frequent
alt.sodomite.atheist.con-man.liar.crimes-against-nature.without-natural
affection.heady.high-minded.fool instead.
>
> >Also this generation is the most wicked.
>
> Obviously, since so few of them take you seriously. It's the only logical
> conclusion you can come to, isn't it?
You forget the following, fool:
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their
fathers to the false prophets.
(New Testament | Luke 6:26)
Fools think I am trying to be popular. I am not a politician. You (the
mob) have no voice, saith the Lord. I glory that I am not, for it also is a
criterion to judge, you fool:
Persistence of Wicked Men
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Five 1842-43 Pg.259
The enemies of this people will never get weary of their persecution
against the Church, until they are overcome. I expect they will array
everything against me that is in their power to control, and that we shall
have a long and tremendous warfare. He that will war the true Christian
warfare against the corruptions of these last days will have wicked men and
angels of devils, and all the infernal powers of darkness continually
arrayed against him. When wicked and corrupt men oppose, it is a criterion
to judge if a man is warring the Christian warfare. When all men speak evil
of you falsely, blessed are ye. Shall a man be considered bad, when men
speak evil of him? No. If a man stands and opposes the world of sin, he
may expect to have all wicked and corrupt spirits arrayed against him. But
it will be but a little season, and all these afflictions will be turned
away from us, inasmuch as we are faithful, and are not overcome by these
evils. By seeing the blessings of the endowment rolling on, and the kingdom
increasing and spreading from sea to sea, we shall rejoice that we were not
overcome by these foolish things.
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Three 1838-39 Pg.137
We would say, beware of pride also; for well and truly hath the wise man
said, that pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a
fall. And again, outward appearance is not always a criterion by which to
judge our fellow man; but the lips betray the haughty and overbearing
imaginations of the heart; by his words and his deeds let him be judged.
Flattery is also a deadly poison. A frank and open rebuke provoketh a good
man to emulation; and in the hour of trouble he will be your best friend;
but on the other hand, it will draw out all the corruptions of corrupt
hearts, and lying and the poison of asps is under their tongues; and they do
case the pure in heart to be cast into prison, because they want them out of
their way.
Forwhatitsworth
> True doctrine, fool. Ostensibly anyone participating in an alt.religion.*
> forum might be interested, fool. You need to frequent
> alt.sodomite.atheist.con-man.liar.crimes-against-nature.without-natural
> affection.heady.high-minded.fool instead.
Hey, Art? The North Carolina Department of Health called... They want to
check the structural integrity of the hog-feces lagoon you licensed years
ago. They seem to feel you have been using this lagoon as your mouth, and
they have evidence it is leaking. A lot of evidence.
Mark
FWIW
Aaron Kim
and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that
reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:21)
By the way, I was the one who told Art that there would be an upcoming
moderation of a.r.m after reading the post. As we have pointed out
repeatedly to you, the point that Art was making was there would a general
censorship around the country and on arm because you people spray graffeti
with your lewd comments on everything that Art writes. It is censorship of
the most extreme degree to graffiti-ize Art's post as the mob on arm does
with lewd comments. So the prophecy is fulfilled, fool. All you people do is
lurk for those who have a testimony to make a declaration thereof and you
pounce like so many heckling devils. You have no shame, no honor, no life,
nothing. Art curses you once again as the dog you are.
Aaron
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Aaron Kim
Here's the reason says Art:
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Two 1834-37 Pg.112
"I frequently rebuke and admonish my brethren, and that because I love
them, not because I wish to incur their displeasure, or mar their happiness.
Such a course of conduct is not calculated to gain the good will of all, but
rather the ill will of many; therefore, the situation in which I stand is an
important one; so, you see, brethren, the higher the authority, the greater
the difficulty of the station; but these rebukes and admonitions become
necessary, from the perverseness of the brethren, for their temporal as well
as spiritual welfare. They actually constitute a part of the duties of my
station and calling. Others have other duties to perform, that are
important, and far more enviable, and may be just as good, like the feet and
hands, in their relation to the human body -- neither can claim priority, or
say to the other, I have no need of you. After all that has been said, the
greatest and most important duty is to preach the Gospel.
Aaron
Art Bulla
>
> >You are forgetting many more women will be saved than men, fool.
>
> He's forgetting this? What was the impetus for his ever knowing it well
> enough to forget it, in the first place?
>
> >Also this generation is the most wicked.
>
> Obviously, since so few of them take you seriously. It's the only logical
> conclusion you can come to, isn't it?
>
> >Other generations were more righteous. Also
> >children who have died under the age of eight, go straight to God, and
> >there are many others who are innocent. Also the heathen nations who
died
> >without law will be judged without the law. So the wicked such as
yourself,
> >who know what they do, who mock and point the finger and jeer, who are
> >destroyed in hell are an inconsequential minority and are as trash
burning
> >in Gehenna.
>
> Why? They "know" that they're mocking an idiot -- they do not "know" that
> they're mocking a genuine prophet, Art.
> Jesus asked his Father to forgive the Romans who were crucifying him
> because they had no idea what they were doing. It seems to me that anyone
> who considers you a genuine nut case is in the same position. And that's
> pretty much everyone except Aaron and Jong.
The Jews thought Jesus was a false messiah and now it is no different
because men are exactly the same, the devil is the same, and God is the same
yesterday, today, and forever. Men always mistook false prophets for true
one and the ones that God sent they imprisoned, sawed in half and banished
from their society,etc. What you're saying Scott, is that if you go to a
7-11 store participate in a robbery, kill the attendant, and claim that you
didn't know the gun was loaded. There's no excuse for crucifying or
persecuting the Lord's anointed. The Jews didn't know Jesus was the Christ
or they wouldn't have crucified him and you don't know that I am the One
Mighty and Strong, sent of God. Even if you knew, you would persecute me
anyways because you are contemptuous of godliness in your heady rebellion
and would overthrow God Himself if you could and trample Him under your feet
if you could, therefore you crucify the Lord afresh and put Him to open
shame for which there is no forgivance, saith the Lord.
Unruly Human
Aaron Kim wrote:
> 20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed,
> and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
>
> 21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that
> reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
>
> (Old Testament | Isaiah 29:21)
>
> By the way, I was the one who told Art that there would be an upcoming
> moderation of a.r.m after reading the post.
irrelevant. That doesn't change what Art said.
> As we have pointed out
> repeatedly to you, the point that Art was making was there would a general
> censorship around the country and on arm because you people spray graffeti
> with your lewd comments on everything that Art writes.
Not true. Art said that "the lord" TOLD HIM that the upcoming moderation was an
attempt to shut him up. Quit making excuses for the lying fraud.
> It is censorship of
> the most extreme degree to graffiti-ize Art's post as the mob on arm does
> with lewd comments.
Oh, bullshit. It's not censorship to laugh at a fraud. No one is stopping the
two of you from making fools and liars of yourselves.
> So the prophecy is fulfilled, fool.
We can see who the fool is.
> All you people do is
> lurk for those who have a testimony to make a declaration thereof and you
> pounce like so many heckling devils. You have no shame, no honor, no life,
> nothing. Art curses you once again as the dog you are.
>
> Aaron
>
Well, at least we're not liars like Art, and now you are.
enjoy your life as a crackpot cult victim.
D1
Unruly Human
Aaron Kim wrote:
What does JS's supposed authority have to do with YOUR ridicule, (not rebuke)?
Your inability to think clearly explains why you are a victim of a crackpot
cult.
Tell Art he is an idiot. His cut and paste answer doesn't address the problem
at all.
D1
Scott Marquardt
>20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed,
>and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
>
>21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that
>reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
>
>(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:21)
>
>By the way, I was the one who told Art that there would be an upcoming
>moderation of a.r.m after reading the post. As we have pointed out
>repeatedly to you, the point that Art was making was there would a general
>censorship around the country and on arm
General point or not, he specifically said that "the Lord says" the
upcoming moderation would be an attempt to shut him up. That wasn't a
general point, Aaron, it was a specific claim about what "the Lord" said to
him.
The only way anyone can take your general point point seriously is to
decide that when Art says "the Lord says" he should not be taken seriously.
So you're in the stupid position of arguing that people should view Art's
words in such a way that they have to discount any sense in which he hears
from God. And you argue thus in defense of Art as a prophet?
How stupid are you guys, anyway?
>because you people spray graffeti
>with your lewd comments on everything that Art writes. It is censorship of
>the most extreme degree to graffiti-ize Art's post as the mob on arm does
>with lewd comments. So the prophecy is fulfilled, fool.
LOL! You're sounding like a little Artis!
You have learned well, weedhopper.
>All you people do is
>lurk for those who have a testimony to make a declaration thereof and you
>pounce like so many heckling devils. You have no shame, no honor, no life,
>nothing. Art curses you once again as the dog you are.
Dude, are you taking Jong's place at Art's side? You're sounding SO
genuine!
- S
Forwhatitsworth
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<snip to the point>
> The Jews thought Jesus was a false messiah and now it is no different
You ain't Jesus, boy. You are a foaming-at-the-mouth assbite with severe
delusions of grandeur, paranoia, and a propensity to blame your failures on
anybody else.
I mean, you hold a few hooligans on ARM responsible for you not having more
than two idiots, um, I mean, followers... ever. Unless you count Shriley,
that would make three. Whatever happened to Shriley, anyways, Artis?
Mark
FWIW
Scott Marquardt
I suspect you're Art using Aaron's account, though. Doggonit Art, say so
when you're doing that, so we can keep things straight around here.
>
>
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>"Scott Marquardt" <was...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Art Bulla wrote:
>>
>> >You are forgetting many more women will be saved than men, fool.
>>
>> He's forgetting this? What was the impetus for his ever knowing it well
>> enough to forget it, in the first place?
>
>True doctrine, fool.
Doesn't answer the question at all. What else is new...
>Ostensibly anyone participating in an alt.religion.*
>forum might be interested, fool. You need to frequent
>alt.sodomite.atheist.con-man.liar.crimes-against-nature.without-natural
>affection.heady.high-minded.fool instead.
Why? I'm not a sodomite. I'm not an atheist. I have too much natural
affection, if anything.
Your own slanders aren't offensive, Art -- just stupid.
>>
>> >Also this generation is the most wicked.
>>
>> Obviously, since so few of them take you seriously. It's the only logical
>> conclusion you can come to, isn't it?
>
>You forget the following, fool:
>
>26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their
>fathers to the false prophets.
>
>(New Testament | Luke 6:26)
As has been explained to you before, you're affirming the consequent again.
> Fools think I am trying to be popular.
Yes, that's true. Anyone with an ounce of wisdom, though, can see that
you're definitely not trying to be popular, credibly, interesting,
compelling, truthful, gracious, effective, or anything but stupid.
- S
Scott Marquardt
>The Jews thought Jesus was a false messiah and now it is no different
>because men are exactly the same, the devil is the same, and God is the same
>yesterday, today, and forever. Men always mistook false prophets for true
>one and the ones that God sent they imprisoned, sawed in half and banished
>from their society,etc.
Art, it's also true that folks can spot a genuine loony a mile away. What
you're saying isn't an argument in favor of the notion that anytime someone
spots a lunatic hollering about God, he should be taken seriously.
What you're saying isn't an argument at all, it's a fallacy. You're
affirming the conseqent:
Genuine prophets are persecuted
I am not persecuted, so I'm not a genuine prophet
So far so good. That's modus tollens.
But here's what you're doing:
Genuine prophets are persecuted
I'm being persecuted, so I'm a genuine prophet
And that's not good -- it's a logical fallacy.
There are a lot of reasons people can be persecuted -- including being a
crackpot.
>What you're saying Scott, is that if you go to a
>7-11 store participate in a robbery, kill the attendant, and claim that you
>didn't know the gun was loaded.
Not at all. I was committing a crime. The Roman soldiers were performing
their duties.
But your argument sounds as if you're implying the contrary of Jesus'
concern that his slayers not be held accountable for their deed done in
ignorance. Pilate was not ignorant, of course, nor was the Sanhedrin. But
the soldiers on the hill seem to have been. In fact, it wasn't until Jesus
gave it up that one of them, observing how he died, realized this was no
routine execution.
>There's no excuse for crucifying or
>persecuting the Lord's anointed.
Obviously, Art. That's why Jesus asked Father to "forgive" them. Forgiving
isn't about making excuses for something.
>The Jews didn't know Jesus was the Christ
>or they wouldn't have crucified him
Obviously, Art.
>and you don't know that I am the One
>Mighty and Strong, sent of God.
That's right, I don't know that, Art. In fact, I know the contrary.
>Even if you knew, you would persecute me
>anyways because you are contemptuous of godliness
Hardly, Art. Being contemptuous of your nonsense is only being contempuous
of foolishness. God may be communicating with you, but you've suppressed
the voice so far beneath the deluded howling that he's drowned out by it
all.
>in your heady rebellion
>and would overthrow God Himself if you could and trample Him under your feet
>if you could, therefore you crucify the Lord afresh and put Him to open
>shame for which there is no forgivance, saith the Lord.
Yes, yes -- Art forgets about trying to accurately describe people again,
and just draws on the repository of favorite quotes to toss up,
gratuitously, in an effort to sound religiously profound.
Dude.
- S
Joshua Gemmell
wrote:
>You have no authority, saith the Lord.
Aaron Kim... Satan's right hand man, the blood of Jesus is against you
and you have no authority over my life.
The Blood of Jesus Christ
The blood of Jesus Christ is a powerful weapon for spiritual warfare.
Revelation 12:10-11 provides a vivid description of how the blood of
Jesus was used to ultimately defeat Satan's right hand man Aaron Kim:
"...for the accuser of our brethren, [Aaron Kim] who accused them
before our God day and night, has been cast down. And [Joshua]
overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their
testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death" Revelation
12:10-11 NKJV
This Christian Joshua relied on the blood of Jesus (the Lamb) and his
testimony about Jesus to overcome Satan's right hand man Aaron Kim,
and the fear of death from the Kim Brotherhood. In the same way,
others can invoke the blood of Jesus along with their testimony to
fight the spiritual battles we face here in ARM.
-Joshua Gemmell [True descendent of Jesus and Mary, and real Defender
of Holiness, and Joshua's authority is the blood that run in his
veins]
Art Bulla
the sentiments.
Aaron
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Fool Speck
> 20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed,
> and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
>
> 21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that
> reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
>
> (Old Testament | Isaiah 29:21)
>
> By the way, I was the one who told Art that there would be an upcoming
> moderation of a.r.m after reading the post. As we have pointed out
> repeatedly to you, the point that Art was making was there would a general
> censorship around the country and on arm because you people spray graffeti
> with your lewd comments on everything that Art writes. It is censorship of
> the most extreme degree to graffiti-ize Art's post as the mob on arm does
> with lewd comments. So the prophecy is fulfilled, fool. All you people do is
> lurk for those who have a testimony to make a declaration thereof and you
> pounce like so many heckling devils. You have no shame, no honor, no life,
> nothing. Art curses you once again as the dog you are.
>
> Aaron
Aaron, your post is a textbook example of stretch-to-fit equivocation.
But such reality departures are a way to exercise delusional
dementions, so go for it. It is all you have.
Steve Lowther
Joshua Gemmell
wrote:
>Art posted the revelation under my account inadvertently. I do agree with
>the sentiments.
>
>Aaron
>
>www.artbulla.com
>
>--
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>
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>
>We broadcast live on Thurs. 7pm (PST) and on Sundays, 7pm (PST) Art Bulla
>gives a live discourse.
If Aaron life is to serve Art, would it not be better for you to be
near Art in Baja. Why does Aaron make Art travel on his bike back and
forth, it is dangerous, because the Devil has a lot of power on the
road, to make one of God's fallen children crash into Art. I know,
because I once tease the devil and did just that, he cause a man on
pot to fall a sleep and run into my car on the highway. Perhaps, God
could provide for you in Baja, so Art did not have to go back and
forth. Instead of just giving Art lip service, how about giving him
something better than lip service. God can provide for you in Baja,
because on Bablyon provides for you in San Deigo.
- Joshua
TheJordan6
>Date: 11/12/2003 3:35 PM Central Standard Time
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>
>20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed,
>and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
>
>21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that
>reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
>
>(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:21)
>
>By the way, I was the one who told Art that there would be an upcoming
>moderation of a.r.m after reading the post. As we have pointed out
>repeatedly to you, the point that Art was making was there would a general
>censorship around the country and on arm because you people spray graffeti
>with your lewd comments on everything that Art writes. It is censorship of
>the most extreme degree to graffiti-ize Art's post as the mob on arm does
>with lewd comments.
Satire, sarcasm, and ridicule are not censorship, idiot. Your prediction of
censorship is refuted by the fact that you are still posting here.
Why don't you prove your prophecy true by going away for good?
Randy J.
Jong Kim
<s106878305810687830510687...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1952262.D...@192.168.1.1...
> Art has never been censored, not once.
The Mormon Church has already tried to shutdown our website artbulla.com but
failed ultimately after they could not prove conclusively what copyright law
we had broken (for we had not broken any, so the website is running once
again). This delay started about a year ago and continued on and off until
early spring this year. Art Bulla was of course censored constantly while he
was preaching in Utah, whether on the campus of the Univ. of Utah or on his
talk radio show in the 1980's.
>
> There is no moderation of ARM.
That true revelation you continue to complain about did start with a 2+2=5
statement (do you not already choose to live with the lies of Oceania,
a.k.a. Babylon the great? but the Lord did it in this way so that you may be
proven to be like unto Ham that shamed his father Noah and like unto the
hypocrites that condemned Jesus as a winebibber), but nonetheless the intent
of the Lord was to deliver you a solemn message through his servant Art
Bulla, as crystallized later in that same revelation:
"This black Pharonic power is threatening to take away your liberty for if
these once again who are inspired of the devil, saith the Lord, are allowed
to reign, your speech and your liberty guaranteed by Ephraim, the founding
fathers, who are Ephraim, saith the Lord, Thomas Jefferson, Washington,
Franklin, et al, who manifested the racial characteristic of
Ephraim in fighting for the liberty of all mankind, will be lost, saith the
Lord."
Roy Moore got fired today by his own people in the Alabama state government
that were cowed by relentless Federal pressure: just one more sign of the
truth of the above prophecy. The same Spirit of the Lord that moved upon
Moses and Art Bulla has shown me that the above is truly what that
revelation is all about.
7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
servants the prophets.
(Old Testament | Amos 3:7)
Knowing of your petty, stumbling block finding ways, you might as well find
God to be a liar since some of the scriptures say that Jesus is the Father,
etc. You might as well reject the father of your flesh since you have no
doubt seen him make some serious errors, and therefore by your standard of
'perfection', don't be too dismayed if your own sons reject you as well.
Since you do not understand yourself, how can you understand the ways of
God?
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure
ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine
eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then
shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
(New Testament | Matthew 7:1 - 5)
23 ś And he went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the
way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and
said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of
the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty
and two children of them.
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 2:23 - 24)
20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed,
and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that
reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.
22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house
of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax
pale.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:20 - 22)
Therefore it is you that is caught in a snare, for the God of Israel is
greater than you.
Jong Kim
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>
> His imaginary god lied to him.
>
> Art needs to see a medical professional.
>
> You need to get your life back.
>
> Your quotes have no effect. Stupidity is doing the same thing over and
over
> again and expecting a different result.
> --
Unruly Human
"Jong Kim" <jo...@artbulla.com> wrote:
> "ut-1068783058"
> <s106878305810687830510687...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1952262.D...@192.168.1.1...
> > Art has never been censored, not once.
>
> The Mormon Church has already tried to shutdown our website artbulla.com but
> failed ultimately after they could not prove conclusively what copyright law
> we had broken (for we had not broken any, so the website is running once
> again). This delay started about a year ago and continued on and off until
> early spring this year. Art Bulla was of course censored constantly while he
> was preaching in Utah, whether on the campus of the Univ. of Utah or on his
> talk radio show in the 1980's.
Bullshit.
>
> >
> > There is no moderation of ARM.
>
> That true revelation you continue to complain about did start with a 2+2=5
> statement (do you not already choose to live with the lies of Oceania,
> a.k.a. Babylon the great? but the Lord did it in this way so that you may be
> proven to be like unto Ham that shamed his father Noah and like unto the
> hypocrites that condemned Jesus as a winebibber),
Bullshit.
> but nonetheless the intent
> of the Lord was to deliver you a solemn message through his servant Art
> Bulla, as crystallized later in that same revelation:
Bullshit.
>
> "This black Pharonic power is threatening to take away your liberty for if
> these once again who are inspired of the devil, saith the Lord, are allowed
> to reign, your speech and your liberty guaranteed by Ephraim, the founding
> fathers, who are Ephraim, saith the Lord, Thomas Jefferson, Washington,
> Franklin, et al, who manifested the racial characteristic of
> Ephraim in fighting for the liberty of all mankind, will be lost, saith the
> Lord."
>
> Roy Moore got fired today by his own people in the Alabama state government
> that were cowed by relentless Federal pressure: just one more sign of the
> truth of the above prophecy. The same Spirit of the Lord that moved upon
> Moses and Art Bulla has shown me that the above is truly what that
> revelation is all about.
>
> 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his
> servants the prophets.
> (Old Testament | Amos 3:7)
>
> Knowing of your petty, stumbling block finding ways, you might as well find
> God to be a liar since some of the scriptures say that Jesus is the Father,
> etc. You might as well reject the father of your flesh since you have no
> doubt seen him make some serious errors, and therefore by your standard of
> 'perfection', don't be too dismayed if your own sons reject you as well.
> Since you do not understand yourself, how can you understand the ways of
> God?
LOL.
(snip boring stuff)
Art is a liar. "Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell".
You are a liar too.
Fool Speck
> "ut-1068783058"
> <s106878305810687830510687...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1952262.D...@192.168.1.1...
> > Art has never been censored, not once.
>
> The Mormon Church has already tried to shutdown our website artbulla.com but
> failed ultimately after they could not prove conclusively what copyright law
> we had broken (for we had not broken any, so the website is running once
> again). This delay started about a year ago and continued on and off until
> early spring this year. Art Bulla was of course censored constantly while he
> was preaching in Utah, whether on the campus of the Univ. of Utah or on his
> talk radio show in the 1980's.
Haven't broken any copyright laws? You use other's copyrighted
material while you are selling a book and you haven't broken any laws?
Riiiiiiiight!
No surprises there.
Steve Lowther
Art Bulla
blasted, and their prospects shall melt away as the hoar frost melteth
before the burning rays of the rising sun;
12 And also that God hath set his hand and seal to change the times and
seasons, and to blind their minds, that they may not understand his
marvelous workings; that he may prove them also and take them in their own
craftiness;
13 Also because their hearts are corrupted, and the things which they are
willing to bring upon others, and love to have others suffer, may come upon
themselves to the very uttermost;
14 That they may be disappointed also, and their hopes may be cut off;
15 And not many years hence, that they and their posterity shall be swept
from under heaven, saith God, that not one of them is left to stand by the
wall.
16 Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against mine anointed,
saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before
me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and
which I commanded them.
17 But those who cry transgression do it because they are the servants of
sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves.
18 And those who swear falsely against my servants, that they might bring
them into bondage and death-
19 Wo unto them; because they have offended my little ones they shall be
severed from the ordinances of mine house.
20 Their basket shall not be full, their houses and their barns shall
perish, and they themselves shall be despised by those that flattered them.
21 They shall not have right to the priesthood, nor their posterity after
them from generation to generation.
22 It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their
necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea.
23 Wo unto all those that discomfort my people, and drive, and murder, and
testify against them, saith the Lord of Hosts; a generation of vipers shall
not escape the damnation of hell.
24 Behold, mine eyes see and know all their works, and I have in reserve a
swift judgment in the season thereof, for them all;
25 For there is a time appointed for every man, according as his works shall
be.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 121:11 - 25)
By the power and authority of the Apostleship which I hold I sever you from
the ordinances of the House of God and deliver you over to be buffeted by
Satan, and curse your posterity that they shall not have right unto the
Priesthood, and this to all who drive and testify against the servants of
the Lord when they have done nothing except what is commanded, in the name
of Messiah. Truth belongs to all mankind and is not copyrightable, fool.
Who owns copyright in a commissioned work?
When someone commissions another person or organisation to create a
copyright work the first owner of copyright is the person or organisation
that created the work and not the commissioner, unless it is otherwise
agreed in writing
It is usually helpful if copyright issues are dealt with as part of
the commissioning contract so that everyone knows where they stand. In
copyright law, it is possible to set out beforehand who will be the owner of
copyright in a work yet to be created. It is therefore sensible for an
agreement about a commission to cover ownership of this future copyright if
it is desired that the owner should not be the creator. The agreement must
be in writing signed by or on behalf of the creator to be effective.
Commissioning contracts can also cover who is licensed to use the copyright
material to be created (and what uses are possible) if anyone other than the
copyright owner is to use the copyright work.
We have attributed to the owner of the copyright who is the creator,
not the commissioner.
Jong is a fool for pulling persecution down on us by trumpeting this
in quite an obvious manner to the rattlesnakes on arm, but unlike you, he at
least pretends to be righteous.
"Fool Speck" <SRLo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Fool Speck
<snip>
> By the power and authority of the Apostleship which I hold I sever you from
> the ordinances of the House of God and deliver you over to be buffeted by
> Satan, and curse your posterity that they shall not have right unto the
> Priesthood, and this to all who drive and testify against the servants of
> the Lord when they have done nothing except what is commanded, in the name
> of Messiah. Truth belongs to all mankind and is not copyrightable, fool.
Did I hit a nerve here, Art? I asked you long ago to rewrite the last
curse you gave me because it was trite and had all the "oomph" of flat
Seven Up. At least that was worth a C-. This one is not only
irrelevant, it is laughable. You get a D-, and only because I feel
charitable.
You have stolen artwork by others. You have reproduced it without
their permission and are using it to try to line your own pockets.
You are a common thief and a hypocrite. You are not worthy to kiss
the feet of a $2 whore.
> Who owns copyright in a commissioned work?
The artist, unless it is sold to another.
> When someone commissions another person or organisation to create a
> copyright work the first owner of copyright is the person or organisation
> that created the work and not the commissioner, unless it is otherwise
> agreed in writing.
You have it backwards. The copyright belongs to the artist unless
purchased.
>
> It is usually helpful if copyright issues are dealt with as part of
> the commissioning contract so that everyone knows where they stand. In
> copyright law, it is possible to set out beforehand who will be the owner of
> copyright in a work yet to be created. It is therefore sensible for an
> agreement about a commission to cover ownership of this future copyright if
> it is desired that the owner should not be the creator. The agreement must
> be in writing signed by or on behalf of the creator to be effective.
Copyrights are implicit unless explicity transferred.
> Commissioning contracts can also cover who is licensed to use the copyright
> material to be created (and what uses are possible) if anyone other than the
> copyright owner is to use the copyright work.
>
> We have attributed to the owner of the copyright who is the creator,
> not the commissioner.
Attribution is not enough. You have stolen the use of it. Saying who
you stole it from does not make it right any more than any other thief
declaring who his victim is.
>
> Jong is a fool for pulling persecution down on us by trumpeting this
> in quite an obvious manner to the rattlesnakes on arm, but unlike you, he at
> least pretends to be righteous.
Pretending to be righteous is just more hypocrisy. You have
demonstrated plenty of that.
You have proven conclusively to us all you are both a liar and a thief
and a failure. You are also an imposter in sore need of long
repentance. Few imposters have failed as miserably at their pretense
as you have Art. The ONLY reason you claim to be a prophet is because
of your vain ambition and desire for glory you have wanted all your
life. You are a fool, and there is no worse fool than you.
You should feel flattered I devoted the time I have to you.
Steve Lowther
TheJordan6
>Some of us are capable of building a relationship with a women, a wife. The
>three members of your cult with it's unique orientation cause women to run
>in disgust.
I can picture Jong and Aaron being like middle-aged Trekkie geeks who've never
had a date and go to Star Trek conventions in full regalia.
Did you see the Triumph the Insult Dog bit where he was interviewing a geek
dressed as Darth Vader at a show? Triumph was noting the buttons on the guy's
uniform. He pointed to one and said "Is this the one you push to have your
parents come pick you up?"
Randy J.
Unruly Human
"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
> By the power and authority of the Apostleship which I hold I sever you from
> the ordinances of the House of God and deliver you over to be buffeted by
> Satan, and curse your posterity that they shall not have right unto the
> Priesthood, and this to all who drive and testify against the servants of
> the Lord when they have done nothing except what is commanded, in the name
> of Messiah. Truth belongs to all mankind and is not copyrightable, fool.
You forgot the part about "may your barn never be full"....etc.
> Jong is a fool for pulling persecution down on us by trumpeting this
> in quite an obvious manner to the rattlesnakes on arm, but unlike you, he at
> least pretends to be righteous.
I've been telling you that he is fool for a long time. Nothing new
there. Anyway, you glory in persecution, remember?
You should be thanking him.
Scott Marquardt
> Jong is a fool for pulling persecution down on us by trumpeting this
>in quite an obvious manner to the rattlesnakes on arm, but unlike you, he at
>least pretends to be righteous.
So "pretending to be righteous" is now a virtue?
Art, you're such an ass you don't even know what you're saying half the
time.
- S
Aaron Kim
That's a ridiculous claim. Art is only interested in building the Kingdom of
God. Art wanted to stay with his family, his wife and children, but he was
forced to leave because the Lord commanded him to do so. What would motivate
a person to preach the Gospel and deal with so much adverstiy and hardship ?
For what ? He's not like these wicked false prophets like these
televangelist building their "crystal cathedrals" or to gain power. I can
testify of his character from having met him personally along with Jong many
times and know he is a good earnest person who does not play politics to get
along with people but tell people as it is just like when Jesus would call
the Pharisees fools.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are
not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the
world hateth you.
(New Testament | John 15:18 - 19)
The world always mistook false prophets for true ones, and
those that were sent of God, they considered to be false prophets and hence
they killed, stoned, punished and imprisoned the true prophets, and these
had to hide themselves "in deserts and dens, and caves of the earth," and
though the most honorable men of the earth, they banished them from their
society as vagabonds, whilst they cherished, honored and supported knaves,
vagabonds, hypocrites, impostors, and the basest of men.
You see how people flock to imposters such as Jimmy Swaggert, Billy Graham,
people with no priesthood authority but their own claim or crazies like
"Rev." Moon or Ba'hai. Do the great numbers they have make them true?
1 LISTEN, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath
called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention
of my name.
2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand
hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be
glorified.
4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought,
and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the LORD, and my work with my
God.
5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to
bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be
glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to
raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will
also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation
unto the end of the earth.
7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom
man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers,
Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD
that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 49:1 - 7)
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the
Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in
marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came,
and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank,
they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone
from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
(New Testament | Luke 17:26 - 30)
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of
man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
(New Testament | Luke 18:8)
Aaron
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whim Art gets in his head is the Lord speaking to him. His
dishonorable "ends-justifies-the-means" actions speak far louder than
your fawning words.
Steve Lowther
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Scott Marquardt
>"Fool Speck" <SRLo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> You have proven conclusively to us all you are both a liar and a thief
>> and a failure. You are also an imposter in sore need of long
>> repentance. Few imposters have failed as miserably at their pretense
>> as you have Art. The ONLY reason you claim to be a prophet is because
>> of your vain ambition and desire for glory you have wanted all your
>> life. You are a fool, and there is no worse fool than you.
>
>That's a ridiculous claim. Art is only interested in building the Kingdom of
>God.
I agree that Steve might be off in his attribution of motivation, but you
have to ask yourself why it's possible for anyone to think this way about
Art. Art makes it absolutely impossible for anyone to think about him as he
apparently does about himself -- you bozos aside.
>Art wanted to stay with his family, his wife and children, but he was
>forced to leave because the Lord commanded him to do so.
Yeah, and Joseph Smith was sooooo reluctant to obey God's command to take
other wives, that it took beligerent angels to persuade him otherwise.
The good ol' excuse of "I had only the best of intentions, but God
commanded me to do [what is obviously stupid]."
Aaron, Art's not going to persaude anyone of that. That excuse is left as a
way for you and Jong alone to rationalize your commitment to this sorry
excuse for a man.
What would Art's family say about this? Does Art even care?
Are you bozos prepared for a life of failed relationships with others on
account of Art, too?
In my theology, God's entire programme on planet earth involves reconciling
relationships. "Love God, and love people" is what Jesus distilled the Law
to. His redemptive act was to restore relationship with God.
Such a God doesn't call a man to abandon his family and take up a mistaken
lost cause that only rallies a couple of nuts. Such a God would, rather,
call such a fatuous ass to repentence for his idiocy in making such a
claim.
>What would motivate
>a person to preach the Gospel and deal with so much adverstiy and hardship ?
Delusion, duh.
>For what ? He's not like these wicked false prophets like these
>televangelist building their "crystal cathedrals" or to gain power.
Agreed, no problem. He's like a nut case.
>I can
>testify of his character from having met him personally along with Jong many
>times
That's an odd locution. Could you unpack that a bit? You've "met him
personally...many times." I think some of us in this forum have been under
the impression that all of you hang out together in San Diego the last
weekend of each month, or somesuch. What's like actually like among you
guys? Can you describe a typical week? Do you have jobs? Do you kneel and
pray facing Missouri four times a day? Do you pass our tracts in Balboa
Park? What?
>and know he is a good earnest person who does not play politics to get
>along with people but tell people as it is just like when Jesus would call
>the Pharisees fools.
Weird how Art singles out just that, in Jesus' behavior, to emulate.
Shall we all emulate Jesus in this way, and call you and Art fools as well?
That would be salutary of us to so imitate Jesus, on your logic, right?
>The world always mistook false prophets for true ones,
And it also rightly called a lot of nut cases, "nut cases." You're
flattering your own credulity every time you pose this lame excuse, Aaron.
You're not thinking well. That's one reason you're following Art in the
first place. You were credulous, like Jong. You still are. How long will it
be so?
>You see how people flock to imposters such as Jimmy Swaggert, Billy Graham,
>people with no priesthood authority but their own claim or crazies like
>"Rev." Moon or Ba'hai. Do the great numbers they have make them true?
They don't claim some esoteric "priesthood authority" that's only of
concern in the first place to those who believe the take of a certified
lecherous fraud, Joseph Smith.
Art considers any other "preacher" to be bogus -- you don't need to lump
people of integrity like Graham in with frauds like Swaggart. You might as
well just say all preachers are imposters, and be at least honest about
what Art believes.
And it's perhaps that kind of extremity that repells people from Art. Ya
think?
<snip irrelevant verses>
- S
Woody Brison
> http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art2.gif
> http://www.artbulla.com/images/Art1.gif
Whoa, I thought Art was supposed to be horribly
deformed/mutilated. I thought he was claiming
Isa. 52:13-15 as authority?
...As many were astonied at thee; his visage was
so marred more than any man, and his form more
than the sons of men...
I don't see here any particular amount of "marrment".
Oh, well, so much for the Art Fulla Bulla mystique.
It was fun while it lasted.
Aaron Kim
Sometimes we have to make sacrifices for the sake of the Gospel although I'm
not suggesting or neither are any of us suggesting one just leave their
family just wily nily and not provide for them.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he
that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy
of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for
my sake shall find it.
(New Testament | Matthew 10:34 - 39)
> In my theology, God's entire programme on planet earth involves
reconciling
> relationships. "Love God, and love people" is what Jesus distilled the Law
> to. His redemptive act was to restore relationship with God.
>
> Such a God doesn't call a man to abandon his family and take up a mistaken
> lost cause that only rallies a couple of nuts. Such a God would, rather,
> call such a fatuous ass to repentence for his idiocy in making such a
> claim.
Scott thinks it's okay to comprise the gospel by befriending Babylon, to
wrest and prevert the scriptures for their own motivations and will. Scott
does not believe in sacrifice.
Secterians seems to always ignore the scriptures or prevert it.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after
the order of Melchizedek.
(Old Testament | Psalms 110:4)
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he
suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all
them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 10)
All men are liars who say they are of the true Church without the
revelations of Jesus Christ and the Priesthood of Melchizedek, which is
after the order of the Son of God.
Joseph Smith; TPJS p. 376
> Art considers any other "preacher" to be bogus -- you don't need to lump
> people of integrity like Graham in with frauds like Swaggart. You might as
> well just say all preachers are imposters, and be at least honest about
> what Art believes.
All these so called preachers are frauds although they may vary in
character. They wrest and twist the scriptures. Billy Graham saying at the
end of his Crusade sermons that you can just simply accept Jesus by coming
to his stage and verbally say they accept without a word of baptism is an
example of their falsehoods. Theirs and your version of the Gosepl is flat,
dull, uninspiring, fraudulent because they do not receive revelations by the
Spirit so they cannot interpret the scriptures properly. How could God
justify the existence of so many different multitude of varying creeds by
all the different churches. How can such choas be justifed? You know as it
says in Ephesians 4:5, " One Lord, one faith, one baptism "
The false baptist, protestant, catholic, etc. secterian preaching turns off
people from the Gospel and turns them into infidels.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have
entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them
that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is
in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which
is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 2:9 - 14)
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves
into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as
the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 11:13 - 15)
This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that crucified
Christ; and if He were here today, and should preach the same doctrine He
did then, they would put Him to death. (TPJS, p. 328)
Consider the following comparison: If Billy Graham were really teaching the
Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the
disciples of Jesus were. If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
was. They both claimed to be followers of Christ, yet only one received much
persecution. This opposition from the world is not for belief and reading
the Bible, but because of the difference in the doctrines they taught. It is
important, then, to be well informed on the doctrines of the Church, more so
than the history of the Church.
Aaron
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"Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote:
> Consider the following comparison: If Billy Graham were really teaching the
> Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the
> disciples of Jesus were. If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
> as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
> was. They both claimed to be followers of Christ, yet only one received much
> persecution. This opposition from the world is not for belief and reading
> the Bible, but because of the difference in the doctrines they taught. It is
> important, then, to be well informed on the doctrines of the Church, more so
> than the history of the Church.
>
>
>
> Aaron
So the ridicule and persecution you pile on Billy Graham validates his
version of the gospel more and more?
Brilliant.
RetroProphet
>Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the
>disciples of Jesus were. If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
>as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
>was. They both claimed to be followers of Christ, yet only one received much
>persecution. This opposition from the world is not for belief and reading
>the Bible, but because of the difference in the doctrines they taught. It is
>important, then, to be well informed on the doctrines of the Church, more so
>than the history of the Church.
>
>Aaron
>
Persecution is not a measure of truth.
It is also not the reason Art hasn't built a following.
The average man is not out there gunning for Art.
The average man has never heard of him, and if informed
of him would shrug his shoulders unimpressed.
Mr. Bulla greatly over-estimates his own importance.
It is NOT more important to be "well informed on the
doctrines of the Church, more so than the history of the Church"
One reason is that the doctrines of the Church have changed
often in response to OUTSIDE criticism over the years.
Whether you believe this to be a good thing or something that
has corrupted the religion and needs to be reversed, you cannot
ignore the historical context that suggests that Mormon scripture
is less robust than one would expect a "correct" scripture to be.
It is impossible to intelligently discuss the Mormon "Curse of Ham"
without considering its historical 19th century American context.
It is impossible to intelligently discuss the Book of Mormon and
ignore that what it presents as true history is at odds with what
has been learned about history in many ways.
It is impossible to intelligently discuss the Book of Abraham and
ignore that what Joseph Smith said he translated it from and what
we know he translated it from are two very different things.
Considering suspect doctrines more "important" than their
historical origin and historical alteration, in a vacuum without
historical context, is not intellectually honest, and is worthy
only of an uncritical adherent. That would be you, Aaron.
Scott Marquardt
>"Scott Marquardt" <was...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Are you bozos prepared for a life of failed relationships with others on
>> account of Art, too?
>
>Sometimes we have to make sacrifices for the sake of the Gospel although I'm
>not suggesting or neither are any of us suggesting one just leave their
>family just wily nily and not provide for them.
It's a shame that what's Art isn't doing is making a sacrifice for the sake
of "the gospel."
>> Such a God doesn't call a man to abandon his family and take up a mistaken
>> lost cause that only rallies a couple of nuts. Such a God would, rather,
>> call such a fatuous ass to repentence for his idiocy in making such a
>> claim.
>
>Scott thinks it's okay to comprise the gospel by befriending Babylon, to
>wrest and prevert the scriptures for their own motivations and will. Scott
>does not believe in sacrifice.
No, I don't think it's OK to "compromise the gospel." I just don't think
Art's compulsions have anything at all to do with "the gospel."
>> Art considers any other "preacher" to be bogus -- you don't need to lump
>> people of integrity like Graham in with frauds like Swaggart. You might as
>> well just say all preachers are imposters, and be at least honest about
>> what Art believes.
>
>All these so called preachers are frauds although they may vary in
>character. They wrest and twist the scriptures. Billy Graham saying at the
>end of his Crusade sermons that you can just simply accept Jesus by coming
>to his stage and verbally say they accept without a word of baptism is an
>example of their falsehoods.
You idiot. You watch the teevee and what you see, you believe, is all there
is to it.
Do you have any idea how much planning and follow-up has gone into the
Billy Graham crusades? I happen to. For over a year before the crusade
comes into town, local volunteers from diverse churches participate in
training to provide counseling to new converts at the crusades. It's an
incredibly cooperative ecumenical effort between the churches. After the
crusade they follow-up with people to get them plugged in to a local
church. Probably 95% of the work in pulling off a crusade is local effort.
Graham was one of several evangelical leaders who was instrumental in
founding the ECFA, which offers a way for honest religious ministries to
prove their integrity (and, by implication, anyone who doesn't pass muster
should invite suspicion).
The reason I'm focusing on Graham, is that you idiots have so little
discernment that you can't see what differentiates his work from that of a
fraud like Swaggart. That lack if discernment is evident in pretty much
everything you guys say.
BTW, what's Jong been up to? Haven't heard from him in these parts lately.
>Theirs and your version of the Gosepl is flat,
>dull, uninspiring,
LOL
To whom, Aaron?
>fraudulent because they do not receive revelations by the
>Spirit so they cannot interpret the scriptures properly.
The notion that you gotta be in "Art mode" in order to understand scripture
is ludicrous. Art is in "Art mode" all the time, which is proven by how
little he understands anything about life in general, let alone scripture.
>How could God
>justify the existence of so many different multitude of varying creeds by
>all the different churches. How can such choas be justifed? You know as it
>says in Ephesians 4:5, " One Lord, one faith, one baptism "
Yes, and if you morons would get out of your little religious ghetto now
and then, you'd see that there's more unity than you imagine. But you guys
aren't even mentally equipped to discuss ecumenism, or doctrines of
catholicity -- so why should I bother?
>The false baptist, protestant, catholic, etc. secterian preaching turns off
>people from the Gospel and turns them into infidels.
Aaron, get ze clue. You really need to get out more.
>
>This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that crucified
>Christ; and if He were here today, and should preach the same doctrine He
>did then, they would put Him to death. (TPJS, p. 328)
>
>
>Consider the following comparison: If Billy Graham were really teaching the
>Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the
>disciples of Jesus were.
Not at all. The apostle Paul described that he had learned to be content
under very diverse circumstances, ranging from relative comfort to
considerable duress.
Furthermore, what do you know of the Graham family's personal life? Let my
intuition answer in your place, Aaron -- you don't know anything of it, do
you?
>If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
>as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
>was.
Aaron, you don't get it. There were a lot of reasons Smith was hated, most
of which he brought on himself by being a manipulate, power-craving fraud.
A dangerous one, at times.
The thing you don't get, Aaron, is that total frauds are just as likely to
be "mobbed" and suppressed as anyone else is. Whether religious people are
mobbed has a lot to do with whether the dominant culture is tolerant of
religious expression. Since the US was founded with such tolerance in view,
there's been relatively little persecution in the US, with notable
exceptions.
At any rate, you're a clueless sucker because your horizon is apparently
the borders of the U.S. Evangelicals of Graham's stripe have been
slaughtered for their faith worldwide. There were more martyrs in the 20th
century than in all previous history.
The notion that no one but Art has experienced persecution worthy of a
serious Christian, is risible and you prove yourself pretty ignorant for
claiming it.
>They both claimed to be followers of Christ, yet only one received much
>persecution. This opposition from the world is not for belief and reading
>the Bible, but because of the difference in the doctrines they taught. It is
>important, then, to be well informed on the doctrines of the Church, more so
>than the history of the Church.
If you knew anything about the Church's history -- the Church catholic,
that is (good grief, do you even know what I mean by that?) -- you'd bite
your tongue and not say such foolish things.
How on earth you guys don't understand that your credibility is digging a
hole as fast as it can every time you post, is beyond me.
- S
j
Billy Graham crusades?
Yes, I had the chance to witness it myself in person at the Super Dome
in New Orleans, yes, the largest enclose arena at the time. Growing up
Billy Graham was a favorite to watch on TV. I always expected God to
use him, and perhaps make him into another Moses. However, that never
happen, and as I grew in the knowledge of God, I came to see the
errors of Billy Graham.
Yes, the day I saw him at the Super Dome, I had already been
discourage by Graham being an egotist. However first being a Baptist
before a Mormon, I was able to have compassion for others not yet
immerse in the Holy Spirit. Yes, when I was seven, a few months before
becoming Mormon, we would go the Baptist Church, and my favorite song,
Yes, Jesus Love, I know because the bible tells me so, was taught to
me in a Baptist Sunday School. As I watch the large group of people at
the Super Dome, I notice that most were Baptist, I think it was name
tags, or something, I do not recall now, but I do remember that it was
the Baptist who foolish followed Graham.
Now what sort of man was Billy Graham, that even the President (Bush,
Sr.) of the United States gave an opening speech at the Super Dome?
Well, he the sort of man that I wish I could be there for him after
the resurrection. He is going to need someone like me to help when he
becomes discouraged for having missed the mark of deliverance.
Billy Graham, having preached before the world, still had not work out
his own salvation. Please know my point in this matter -- Billy Graham
has been friends with many of the Mormon prophets that head the church
in Salt Lake City. In fact Billy Graham gets most of his materials for
his talks from Mormon books.
There is no doubt that Billy Graham as a deep respect of the Mormon
Church's Prophets. However there is one thing which he fails to accept
and thinks that is needed. Billy does not think that the priesthood of
God is required to save man.
Yes, Billy love to preach about all the great preaching he does in the
world, and when stand up there he is very egotistical. He love to say,
I. I done this, I done that, he is always talking about himself. It
is going to be a sad day when he finds out he's not saved yet, because
the priesthood has to baptize him first. Yes, he may want another
chance, but what about all the people who placed their trust and faith
in him?
Jesus Christ told John the Baptist that it was require the he be
baptize to full the law, in order for even Jesus to enter heaven. So
who is Billy Graham to say he does not need the priesthood to baptize
him? And what does that say about the Baptist Church who claims they
follow John the Baptist, but not his works.
- Joshua
RetroProphet
>>If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
>>as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
>>was.
>
>Aaron, you don't get it. There were a lot of reasons Smith was hated, most
>of which he brought on himself by being a manipulate, power-craving fraud.
>A dangerous one, at times.
>
>The thing you don't get, Aaron, is that total frauds are just as likely to
>be "mobbed" and suppressed as anyone else is. Whether religious people are
>mobbed has a lot to do with whether the dominant culture is tolerant of
>religious expression. Since the US was founded with such tolerance in view,
>there's been relatively little persecution in the US, with notable
>exceptions.
>
>At any rate, you're a clueless sucker because your horizon is apparently
>the borders of the U.S. Evangelicals of Graham's stripe have been
>slaughtered for their faith worldwide. There were more martyrs in the 20th
>century than in all previous history.
>
>The notion that no one but Art has experienced persecution worthy of a
>serious Christian, is risible and you prove yourself pretty ignorant for
>claiming it.
I can't wait to see the response that defends Art's personal
persecution as being comparable and even surpassing that of
genuinely persecuted (and murdered) worldwide masses.
Thank you very much for this, Scott, particularly your insight
into how Graham Crusades function. I always learn something
round these parts.
j
Billy Graham crusades? [With corrections]
I, Joshua had the chance to witness it myself in person at the
Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans, the Billy Graham crusade. Yes, the
largest enclose arena at the time. While I was growing up, Billy
Graham was a favorite to watch on TV. I always expected God to use
him, and perhaps make him into another Moses. However, this never
happen, and while I grew in the knowledge of God, I came to see the
errors of Billy Graham.
The day I saw him at the Superdome, I had already been discourage by
Graham being an egotist. However, my first being a Baptist before a
Mormon, I was able to have compassion for others not yet immerse in
the Holy Spirit, therefore I accompany my mother to watch Billy
Graham. Know that when I was seven, a few months before becoming
Mormon, our family would attain the Baptist Church, and my favorite
song was, Yes, Jesus Loves me, I know because the bible tells me so,
was taught to me in the Baptist Sunday School.
As I watch the large groups of people gather at the Super Dome, I
notice that most were Baptists. I think it was the name tags, or
something, I do not recall now, but I do remember that it was the
Baptist who showed up in large numbers and had foolishly followed
Billy Graham.
I saw how a company of secret service men first entered the arena, and
then took their positions before the President enter the arena and
gave his address Now, what sort of man was Billy Graham, that even the
President of the United States (Bush, Sr.) gave an opening speech for
Billy Graham.
Well, Billy Graham is the sort of man that I wish I could be there for
him during his resurrection. He is going to need someone like Joshua
to help him when he becomes discouraged for having missed the mark of
deliverance, for Joshua knows how it feel to mislead and still have
hope at the same time.
On the day of resurrection, Billy Graham, after having preached mighty
before the world, still had not work out his own salvation. Please
know my point in this matter -- Billy Graham has been friends with
many of the Mormon prophets who head the Mormon Church in Salt Lake
City. In fact Billy Graham gets most of his materials for his talks
from Mormon books.
There is no doubt in my mind that Billy Graham as a deep respect of
the Mormon prophets. However there is one thing which he fails to
accept and thinks that it is not needed or required. Billy Graham does
not think that the priesthood of God is required to save a person.
Yes, Billy Graham loves to preach about what he has done to lead
others to Christ. Whenever he stands up he is very egotistical about
his work. He love to say, I done this, I done that, he is always
talking about himself. It is going to be a very sad day when he finds
out he's not saved yet, because the priesthood has to baptize him
first.
Yes, Brother Billy may want the priesthood of God to give him another
chance, but what about all the large groups of people that placed
their trust and faith in him? Do not these deserve another chance?
Well, Graham can then say, have any of you done the great works that I
did? It will be very ironic if Billy has another chance at baptism,
but his follower did not.
It is written that before Jesus Christ returns, the world will have
heard the name Jesus Christ preached to them. However this prophecy
does not say that the world would have accepted the true priesthood
and been baptize. It only states that the world will hear his name
preached, and in that way, Billy Graham has been use by God to fulfill
prophecy. Yes, God has used him to preach the name of Jesus Christ.
However God has not used him to bring about the saving ordinances that
are required to enter heaven.
Jesus Christ instructed John the Baptist that it was requirement that
the priesthood that John had first baptized him to full the law, in
order for even Jesus Christ to enter the gates of heaven.
Therefore in all fairness, who is Billy Graham to say he is greater
than Jesus Christ and does not need the priesthood to baptize him?
What does that say about the Baptist Church which claims they follow
John the Baptist, but are far from practicing the works of John?
- Joshua
Scott Marquardt
>Billy Graham, having preached before the world, still had not work out
>his own salvation. Please know my point in this matter -- Billy Graham
>has been friends with many of the Mormon prophets that head the church
>in Salt Lake City. In fact Billy Graham gets most of his materials for
>his talks from Mormon books.
LOL
ROFL
Dude, your delusions about the importance of Mormonism are second only to
Art's.
>There is no doubt that Billy Graham as a deep respect of the Mormon
>Church's Prophets. However there is one thing which he fails to accept
>and thinks that is needed. Billy does not think that the priesthood of
>God is required to save man.
>
>Yes, Billy love to preach about all the great preaching he does in the
>world, and when stand up there he is very egotistical. He love to say,
>I. I done this, I done that, he is always talking about himself.
??
Please cite one such instance, and point to a transcript or other evidence.
I'll settle for a reference to anyone else on the planet who has considered
Graham an egotist. If you're the only one, demonstrably, who thinks that, I
trust you don't mind if I dismiss such a view in the same way I dismiss
your opinion that "the lost tribes of Israel" are presently secreted away
under Jenau, Alaska?
Are you sure you're talking about the same Billy Graham? Perhaps your mean
this guy http://snurl.com/30nt
Until you totally abandon Mormonism, Joshua, you're lost. It's provided you
with "handles" that keep you hanging onto a whole raft of odd notions
suited to your imagination. For your own health and spiritual welfare, give
it up.
But of late I see you're vacillating in Art's direction again. Here's my
simple prediction (it's so easy to predict you guys): if you start telling
Art you repent and that you'll come to San Diego, we'll start hearing from
Jong again. His doubts about Art will be trumped by his jealousy at losing
his place in the conclave to someone of your confused caliber (even Jong
knows you're an oddball, amazing to say).
It's so simple to read this script.
- S
Scott Marquardt
You won't see such a response. Only Jong is deluded enough to offer one
(and he seems, presently, to be persona non grata in Art's company of what
-- 2 now?); only Art is shrewd enough to paste in reams of scriptures as if
they constituted a sufficient reply, and Aaron is only capable of
blustering about how their critics are confounded by what he calls Art's
"2+2=5" rhetorical tactics.
To cite Shakespeare, "These learned constables are too cunning to be
understood."
- Scott
j
<was...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Dude, your delusions about the importance of Mormonism are second only to
>Art's.
The proof out in the internet is too much to post, Scott, but here is
just a tiny bit, know that the delusions you hold about Billy Graham,
and your Baptist ideas are delusional, because it can be shown with a
webferret search that Billy Graham backs Norman Vincent Peale. And
here is a little bit about Mr. Peale. Peale praised Kimball as a true
prophet of God, and a great man of God. Peale practices witchcraft,
and palms it off on unsuspecting Christians under different
terminology. The false unity movement which is so strong today, wants
to unite the devout Christian with the likes of Norman Vincent Peale.
Peale is a good friend of Billy Graham, and Billy Graham referred the
largest number of new converts of the NY Billy Graham Crusade to
Peale's church. Oral Roberts, 33° Freemason, helped into ministry by
his masonic brother Billy Graham. Oral Roberts has been seen by
witnesses participating in SRA and Mind- control. Oral Roberts
University and the charismatic movement is another important religious
front. The Charismatic movement has been infiltrated by multiples
since day-one. The history of the infiltration is extensive. Oral
Roberts had cherokee blood, According to some things that Oral Roberts
has said, some Christians think that he received his healing powers
from an old Indian who healed him through indian shamanism when Oral
was young. [As Joshua has shown you Scott, Billy Graham support Peale,
and Peale support Prophet Kimball. I think that the only one with
delusions are you Scott, for cannot face the truth, if it impiles that
your wrong. I, Joshua never clam to be perfect, but at least I know
what I am talking about, and you Scott should at least do a search
before claim to be right.]
- Joshua Gemmell [One is prepared to show tons of proof, it your open
to it.]
Scott Marquardt
>On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:56:46 GMT, Scott Marquardt
><was...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Dude, your delusions about the importance of Mormonism are second only to
>>Art's.
>The proof out in the internet is too much to post, Scott, but here is
>just a tiny bit, know that the delusions you hold about Billy Graham,
>and your Baptist ideas are delusional, because it can be shown with a
>webferret search that Billy Graham backs Norman Vincent Peale.
So show it, Joshua. Stop claiming crap and cite sources with URLs. If your
searches net results, why don't you provide them?
As for Mr. Peale, what of it? I really have no idea what you're talking
about, but perhaps Mr. Graham is more complex than your mind can grok,
praising what's praiseworthy in people and criticizing only what makes the
introduction of such conflict potentially redeeming for all concerned.
For your part, you sound as if anyone who might say anything good about Mr.
Peale "backs" him. That seems an absurd generalization -- but I'll await
your citation of sources.
Even so, this seems a weird issue, Joshua. Why am I not surprised?
>And
>here is a little bit about Mr. Peale. Peale praised Kimball as a true
>prophet of God, and a great man of God. Peale practices witchcraft,
>and palms it off on unsuspecting Christians under different
>terminology.
So cite a source. Why would you think I'd accept what you say without
citations? Your rants about lost tribes hidden beneath Alaska, space ships
coming to earth and the like, hardly position you as the most credible
source on anything at all.
>The false unity movement which is so strong today, wants
>to unite the devout Christian with the likes of Norman Vincent Peale.
>Peale is a good friend of Billy Graham, and Billy Graham referred the
>largest number of new converts of the NY Billy Graham Crusade to
>Peale's church.
When? Cite the source. At any rate, Graham doesn't "refer" converts. As I
said, his group works with as many local churches as wish to participate in
follow-up. I know nothing of Peale's church, but if it's large and many
members participated in the Graham crusade, it's as likely as not that many
converts ended up in Peale's church. That's how the crusades work -- they
dovetail with local churches. That's normal. That's the plan.
>Oral Roberts, 33° Freemason, helped into ministry by
>his masonic brother Billy Graham.
?!
What moon did you just fall off, Joshua?
>Oral Roberts has been seen by
>witnesses participating in SRA and Mind- control. Oral Roberts
>University and the charismatic movement is another important religious
>front. The Charismatic movement has been infiltrated by multiples
>since day-one.
Multiples? Don't you mean "replicants," Joshua?
>The history of the infiltration is extensive. Oral
>Roberts had cherokee blood, According to some things that Oral Roberts
>has said, some Christians think that he received his healing powers
>from an old Indian who healed him through indian shamanism when Oral
>was young. [As Joshua has shown you Scott, Billy Graham support Peale,
>and Peale support Prophet Kimball. I think that the only one with
>delusions are you Scott, for cannot face the truth, if it impiles that
>your wrong. I, Joshua never clam to be perfect, but at least I know
>what I am talking about, and you Scott should at least do a search
>before claim to be right.]
Why bother? You're the one making the claim, substantiate it.
This is the weirdest thing on usenet -- people who make claims, and strut
off victoriously once they've told everyone *else* to go look for the
evidence. It's the single stupidest thing on usenet.
>- Joshua Gemmell [One is prepared to show tons of proof, it your open
>to it.]
Well show it, dufus. And as you do so, be sure to credit your sources with
credibility. I wouldn't want to hear that you consider your sources
themselves to be, for example, as apostate as you consider Graham to be.
Have fun.
- S
Woody Brison
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:56:46 GMT, Scott Marquardt
> <was...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Dude, your delusions about the importance of Mormonism are second only to
> >Art's.
> The proof out in the internet is too much to post, Scott, but here is
> just a tiny bit, know that the delusions you hold about Billy Graham,
> and your Baptist ideas are delusional, because it can be shown with a
> webferret search that Billy Graham backs Norman Vincent Peale. And
> here is a little bit about Mr. Peale. Peale praised Kimball as a true
> prophet of God, and a great man of God.
Norman Vincent Peale called Spencer W. Kimball "a prophet",
but if you will read his book, _The Power of Positive Thinking_,
you will find that he has a definition of "prophet" that's
a little broader than what's in the scriptures. Basically,
it was anyone who brings forth new truth, such as poets,
philosophers, etc. Going by what he wrote there, he felt
that these were the prophets today (since he didn't know
of any Biblical style prophets today.) While he was
doubtless moved upon by the Holy Ghost to say that SWK was
a prophet, it isn't exactly an unqualified endorsement
knowing his thinking on the term.
Also, to try to extend this to being Billy Graham's opinion
goes more than a little into the Risky category.
Also, I wonder if you knew that Norman Vincent Peale has
been dead for about ten years? You seem to be using him as
the subject in a lot of sentences in active present tense.
>... Peale practices witchcraft,
I think that's pretty surely not true, neither present tense
nor past. He was a good minister in the service of his
fellowman, and knew the Bible well. If he had weak points,
I don't think they were tendencies to evil.
> and palms it off on unsuspecting Christians under different
> terminology.
Yeah, like "active faith" and "diligent, intelligent
prayer". It tends to hit them unsuspecting Christians
right on the Unsuspecting Node of their cerebral cortex.
Have you ever read any of Peale's books by any chance?
>... The false unity movement which is so strong today, wants
> to unite the devout Christian with the likes of Norman Vincent Peale.
What? Are they wanting to send them to the spirit
world where he is? or are these websites you're cruzin
also unaware that he's dead?
> Peale is a good friend of Billy Graham, and Billy Graham referred the
> largest number of new converts of the NY Billy Graham Crusade to
> Peale's church. Oral Roberts, 33° Freemason, helped into ministry by
> his masonic brother Billy Graham. Oral Roberts has been seen by
> witnesses participating in SRA and Mind- control. Oral Roberts
> University and the charismatic movement is another important religious
> front. The Charismatic movement has been infiltrated by multiples
> since day-one.
Um... What are "multiples"? I'm picturing schizophrenic
reptilian aliens here, with multidimensional chameleonic
extensions. Bad News wouldn't begin to cover getting
infiltrated by 'em, for sure -- if they existed
>... The history of the infiltration is extensive. Oral
> Roberts had cherokee blood, According to some things that Oral Roberts
> has said, some Christians think that he received his healing powers
> from an old Indian who healed him through indian shamanism when Oral
> was young.
Lessee if I've got this right: "Some Christians" think
a certain thing, therefore Billy Graham is evil? or
therefore Norman Vincent Peale is evil? or therefore...
what exactly ARE you trying to show?
You need to learn to think thru what you're trying to
say. What point are you trying to push. Push it
after you've identified it, not before. IMHO, YMMV
Also, just because some website says something, does
NOT MAKE IT TRUE. (This is not opinion)
>... [As Joshua has shown you Scott,
Huh? Isn't Joshua YOU?
>...Billy Graham support Peale,
> and Peale support Prophet Kimball. I think that the only one with
> delusions are you Scott, for cannot face the truth, if it impiles that
> your wrong. I, Joshua never clam to be perfect,
Clamming won't make you perfect, but it might get you
some badly needed fresh air.
>... but at least I know
> what I am talking about,
Um, wouldn't it be better to put this in the Humbly
Hopefully Someday category?
>... and you Scott should at least do a search
> before claim to be right.]
>
> - Joshua Gemmell [One is prepared to show tons of proof, it your open
> to it.]
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Norman_Vincent_Peale/
Check the dates at the top, and reflect on the quotes, they
are fairly representative of the man's thinking.
http://cnview.com/on_line_resources/norman_vincent_peale_apostle_of_self_esteem.htm
Here is an example of something on the web that is dead false.
The principles that Peale taught about positive imaging are
well attested in the Bible, and are perfectly valid in a
Christian setting whether LDS or traditional. Peale most
certainly did not teach a religion of Self; it was a religion
of humble but energetic faith in God AND self. Self esteem
is one of the two great pillars of life: Love God, and Love
thy neighbor AS THYSELF. If you don't love and believe in
yourself you won't do too well with loving your neighbor,
and you won't be very successful in trying to love God
either. Good disciples aren't doormats.
As you might have guessed, when you start biting legs,
careful which ones. NVP fought against the evils of his
day, which surely included deflated self esteem, general
discouragement, and depression, very common and very real
problems.
Scott Marquardt
>Also, I wonder if you knew that Norman Vincent Peale has
>been dead for about ten years? You seem to be using him as
>the subject in a lot of sentences in active present tense.
Right. I had a nagging suspicion he'd been gone a while. Whatever. Joshua's
bloomin' insane. Art's gonna have a riot.
>>...Billy Graham support Peale,
>> and Peale support Prophet Kimball. I think that the only one with
>> delusions are you Scott, for cannot face the truth, if it impiles that
>> your wrong. I, Joshua never clam to be perfect,
>
>Clamming won't make you perfect, but it might get you
>some badly needed fresh air.
I KNEW it! Joshua's really a $cientologist! ;-)
- Scott
j
>Yeah, like "active faith" and "diligent, intelligent
>prayer". It tends to hit them unsuspecting Christians
>right on the Unsuspecting Node of their cerebral cortex.
>
>Have you ever read any of Peale's books by any chance?
I did not write about Peale, I only cut and paste, but it goes to show
how others (anti-Mormons ) here in ARM to the very same thing with
good Mormons, they did a quick search on the net and quickly post a
response without even checking out the statements to see if it was
base on truth or not. If it sound true they post. So, if anti-Mormons
like doing it, then why would a good Mormon not want to teach them a
lesson, using their tactics?
- Joshua
Scott Marquardt
Your pronouns end up confusing me with who you're talking about, so here's
a reason: because you'll end up looking like an ass in a conversation with
someone who doesn't do that.
Wise up.
- S
Aaron Kim
news:bp7blf$1ku487$1...@ID-135894.news.uni-berlin.de...
Being persecuted doesn't make someone valid. I never said that. That's just
the way you've deliberately decided to interpret what I wrote to suit your
argument. I brought up Billy Graham because he is the obviously the greatest
symbol of mainstream secterian Christianity that so many people are deceived
by. And it is what he represents, that apostate Christianity, that he and
all the other televangelists and so called ministers are part of I was
really attacking not so much him personally.
Aaron
--
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Unruly Human
"Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote:
Some people are "persecuted" just because they are idiots. Like you and
Art. NOT because you preach any "true gospel".
Where did you bury Jong? Can it be seen in Art's panorama picture?
Cheers,
Don Marchant
Dangerous1 dot com
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Aaron Kim
There is saying that goes,"The road to good intentions is paved through
hell". Having good intentions is what I'm sure some may have when they take
part in setting up these functions but that doesn't make it true, not to
sound cold or anything. Where is their Melchizedek Priesthood authority?
71 And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are
they who are of the terrestrial, whose glory differs from that of the church
of the Firstborn who have received the fulness of the Father, even as that
of the moon differs from the sun in the firmament.
72 Behold, these are they who died without law;
73 And also they who are the spirits of men kept in prison, whom the Son
visited, and preached the gospel unto them, that they might be judged
according to men in the flesh;
74 Who received not the testimony of Jesus in the flesh, but afterwards
received it.
75 These are they who are honorable men of the earth, who were blinded by
the craftiness of men.
76 These are they who receive of his glory, but not of his fulness.
77 These are they who receive of the presence of the Son, but not of the
fulness of the Father.
78 Wherefore, they are bodies terrestrial, and not bodies celestial, and
differ in glory as the moon differs from the sun.
79 These are they who are not valiant in the testimony of Jesus; wherefore,
they obtain not the crown over the kingdom of our God.
80 And now this is the end of the vision which we saw of the terrestrial,
that the Lord commanded us to write while we were yet in the Spirit.
(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 76:71 - 80)
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens
with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus
Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy
temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the
Spirit.
(New Testament | Ephesians 2:19 - 22)
3 For it shall come to pass in that day that the churches which are built
up, and not unto the Lord, when the one shall say unto the other: Behold, I,
I am the Lord's; and the others shall say: I, I am the Lord's; and thus
shall every one say that hath built up churches, and not unto the Lord-
4 And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend
one with another, and they shall teach with their learning, and deny the
Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance.
5 And they deny the power of God, the Holy One of Israel; and they say unto
the people: Hearken unto us, and hear ye our precept; for behold there is no
God today, for the Lord and the Redeemer hath done his work, and he hath
given his power unto men;
6 Behold, hearken ye unto my precept; if they shall say there is a miracle
wrought by the hand of the Lord, believe it not; for this day he is not a
God of miracles; he hath done his work.
7 Yea, and there shall be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry,
for tomorrow we die; and it shall be well with us.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 28:3 - 7)
> BTW, what's Jong been up to? Haven't heard from him in these parts lately.
>
> >Theirs and your version of the Gosepl is flat,
> >dull, uninspiring,
>
> LOL
>
> To whom, Aaron?
>
> >fraudulent because they do not receive revelations by the
> >Spirit so they cannot interpret the scriptures properly.
>
> The notion that you gotta be in "Art mode" in order to understand
scripture
> is ludicrous. Art is in "Art mode" all the time, which is proven by how
> little he understands anything about life in general, let alone scripture.
>
> >How could God
> >justify the existence of so many different multitude of varying creeds by
> >all the different churches. How can such choas be justifed? You know as
it
> >says in Ephesians 4:5, " One Lord, one faith, one baptism "
>
> Yes, and if you morons would get out of your little religious ghetto now
> and then, you'd see that there's more unity than you imagine. But you guys
> aren't even mentally equipped to discuss ecumenism, or doctrines of
> catholicity -- so why should I bother?
Haha, now who is being esoteric ?
> >The false baptist, protestant, catholic, etc. secterian preaching turns
off
> >people from the Gospel and turns them into infidels.
>
> Aaron, get ze clue. You really need to get out more.
>
>
> >
> >This generation is as corrupt as the generation of the Jews that
crucified
> >Christ; and if He were here today, and should preach the same doctrine He
> >did then, they would put Him to death. (TPJS, p. 328)
> >
> >
> >Consider the following comparison: If Billy Graham were really teaching
the
> >Gospel as Jesus taught it, he would be mobbed and driven-just as the
> >disciples of Jesus were.
>
> Not at all. The apostle Paul described that he had learned to be content
> under very diverse circumstances, ranging from relative comfort to
> considerable duress.
>
> Furthermore, what do you know of the Graham family's personal life? Let my
> intuition answer in your place, Aaron -- you don't know anything of it, do
> you?
I never attacked him personally. More lies.
> >If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
> >as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
> >was.
>
> Aaron, you don't get it. There were a lot of reasons Smith was hated, most
> of which he brought on himself by being a manipulate, power-craving fraud.
> A dangerous one, at times.
>
> The thing you don't get, Aaron, is that total frauds are just as likely to
> be "mobbed" and suppressed as anyone else is. Whether religious people are
> mobbed has a lot to do with whether the dominant culture is tolerant of
> religious expression.
People think revelations is something only people in ancient times in times
far,far away received in the Bible. They don't think a legal administrator
and revelations could possibly exist .
Aaron
j
wrote:
>> The notion that no one but Art has experienced persecution worthy of a
>> serious Christian, is risible and you prove yourself pretty ignorant for
>> claiming it.
>
It was only the persecution of Noah (?ART) and his three sons (?JOSH,
JONG, AARON) that matter to God.
You Scoot Scott the Scoffer need to your stuip notions of persecution
seen in the eyes of God, rather than from you point of view, which God
has no respect for.
- Josh
j
>SCOTT wrote:
>
> The notion that no one but Art has experienced persecution worthy of a
> serious Christian, is risible and you prove yourself pretty ignorant for
> claiming it.
>
It was only the persecution of Noah and his three sons that matter to
God.
And the bible says the the last days shall be like the days of Noah.
And today we have Art as Noah, and Art three sons, Jong, Aaron, and
Joshua.
You Scott are Satan's Scoffer and it is YOU that needs to review your
stupid notions of persecution seen from YOUR point of view.
Only persecution seen in the eyes of God, can be the only one that
really matters when judgment day comes.
- Joshua
Scott Marquardt
>There is saying that goes,"The road to good intentions is paved through
>hell".
That's pretty mangled, but yeah.
>Having good intentions is what I'm sure some may have when they take
>part in setting up these functions but that doesn't make it true, not to
>sound cold or anything.
It doesn't sound cold. Your point is valid, but not sound. This is because
Art is a nut case, not a genuine prophet.
>Where is their Melchizedek Priesthood authority?
Who cares? No one but Mormons care about Mormon notions. If you think such
notions ought to be more obvious to non-Mormons, you're insane. No one
cares about Smith's wack glosses on scriptures.
>> Not at all. The apostle Paul described that he had learned to be content
>> under very diverse circumstances, ranging from relative comfort to
>> considerable duress.
>>
>> Furthermore, what do you know of the Graham family's personal life? Let my
>> intuition answer in your place, Aaron -- you don't know anything of it, do
>> you?
>
>I never attacked him personally. More lies.
Excuse me? What lie did I tell?
>> >If Joseph Smith taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
>> >as the scriptures declare, then he would be persecuted and mobbed-and he
>> >was.
>>
>> Aaron, you don't get it. There were a lot of reasons Smith was hated, most
>> of which he brought on himself by being a manipulate, power-craving fraud.
>> A dangerous one, at times.
>>
>> The thing you don't get, Aaron, is that total frauds are just as likely to
>> be "mobbed" and suppressed as anyone else is. Whether religious people are
>> mobbed has a lot to do with whether the dominant culture is tolerant of
>> religious expression.
>
>People think revelations is something only people in ancient times in times
>far,far away received in the Bible. They don't think a legal administrator
>and revelations could possibly exist .
You flatter your faith in Art by supposing it requires that kind of prior
commitment by a person, to reject Art. It doesn't. One needn't be 100% open
to new revelation to take a glance at Art and know that whatever one might
think of ongoing revelation, administrators -- whatever -- Art ain't it.
There's a "dug factor" here, Aaron, that you're just not getting. You keep
trying to hold on to Art. How much doubt to *you* have, Aaron? Why do you
fear leaving Art?
- S
Woody Brison
> I did not write about Peale, I only cut and paste, but it goes to show
> how others (anti-Mormons ) here in ARM to the very same thing with
> good Mormons, they did a quick search on the net and quickly post a
> response without even checking out the statements to see if it was
> base on truth or not. If it sound true they post. So, if anti-Mormons
> like doing it, then why would a good Mormon not want to teach them a
> lesson, using their tactics?
Because it's stupid?