Confessions of mediocrity.
Nick Bensema
this out of the way with everyone at once.
First of all, I watch Friends. You know, that overrated TV show
that comes on every Thursday night? I watch that. I miss Whose
Line Is It Anyway sometimes in order to see it. It's funny. And
the characters are slightly less one-dimensional than those in
those other crappy sitcoms.
You can deduce from the above that I do, in fact, own a television
set, and I watch it frequently. Friends, South Park, et cetera.
Even Star Trek: Voyager. Sure, occasionally I watch something slightly
non-mainstream like Earth: Final Conflict, and educational programming
like French in Action and the occasional History Channel special. And I
watch lots of things I think aren't mainstream but probably are, like
Iron Chef and Red Dwarf. And I tend to stay away from Jerry Springer,
professional wrestling, soap operas, and other such intelligence-free
shows. And yet, I've watched Survivor, and I occasionally watch
Blind Date, which in the minds of some are "just as bad." I don't
think so, otherwise I wouldn't watch them.
Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably even
misspelled it right now. But I know Immanuel Kant is spelled with
an I, but not because I've read him, either. Because someone here
posted about him and I mentally noted "hey, I thought it was spelled
with an E, but it isn't." That's how I learned practically everything
I know about dead German philosophers. That is, of course, assuming
that the people I've mentioned just now are even German. There's
lots of stuff I haven't read. I haven't read Lord of the Rings,
except when I read The Hobbit in sixth grade. And I haven't read
many of the überclassics like War and Peace, Pride and Prejudice,
and the like, though I fail to see why I'd really want to. But I'm
not about to pretend I've read the book because I've seen the movie,
even though when there's both a movie and a book, I usually just see
the movie.
Now, I profess to know a little about physics, because it was an interest
of mine when I was a child, and was in fact an occasional topic of
discussion between me and my grandfather. I own a copy of "A Brief
History of Time" by Stephen Hawking and have read about half of it.
I profess to know a great deal about language, and I've read quite a
lot of books about foreign languages. Yet, I'm not fluent in anything
but English. And I have a pretty good working vocabulary. I own a
lot of books and I've read many of them, but most of it is non-fiction.
So don't expect me to know bloody everything, or be able to quote the
Odyssey or whatnot.
And finally, I don't care who wins this presidential election, as long
as someone does. I don't know very much about politics. I know a little
about economics, though. Supply and demand, sure, that's obvious enough.
The concepts of supply-side economics are vaguely clear to me, and I
know that economies of scale can be the reason something that costs $5
to make can cost $50 to sell. And I know that the music industry cannot
use that excuse, nuh-uh, no way. I don't claim to know whether abolishing
the minimum wage would result in a more stable economy, or an entire
generation of teenagers working for two dollars an hour. And I certainly
don't know enough to make an informed decision on electing people I
never heard of to city council, so I left that part of my ballot blank.
I voted for Nader, so I could do my part to give him his five percent.
That's my politics. And since Sheriff Joe Arpaio is also one of Governor
Bush's electors, I got to vote against him twice.
To, in summary: I watch Friends, and I haven't read Nietszche, and
I'm not big on politics.
Oh, and sometimes I shop at the MALL, too.
That's about it. Those are my demons of mediocrity.
You may point and laugh now.
--
Nick Bensema <ni...@io.com> ICQ#2135445
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GAME OVER CONTINUE? CREDIT 1
Vicky
>First of all, I watch Friends. You know, that overrated TV show
>that comes on every Thursday night? I watch that. I miss Whose
>Line Is It Anyway sometimes in order to see it. It's funny. And
I've watched Friends, but would never miss Whose Line for it!
>You can deduce from the above that I do, in fact, own a television
>set, and I watch it frequently. Friends, South Park, et cetera.
I own one, but rearely have time to watch. I am probably a rare
breed, a geek with a life.
>shows. And yet, I've watched Survivor, and I occasionally watch
>Blind Date, which in the minds of some are "just as bad." I don't
>think so, otherwise I wouldn't watch them.
Now THAT's funny.
>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably even
Me neither. I deleted that whole body of messages...oh well. I have
however read parts of Mein Kampf, by Hitler, but that was for a debate
I was doing. Which I won unanimously, my opponent only knew that
Hitler 'killed thousands of Jews'.
>many of the überclassics like War and Peace, Pride and Prejudice,
>and the like, though I fail to see why I'd really want to. But I'm
BRAVO!!! I admit I have only read those that were required for Prof.
Madden's (The Elephant Woman) class.
>even though when there's both a movie and a book, I usually just see
>the movie.
I do that, except with Stephen King. I have only seen a couple of the
movies, but have read nearly all of the books.
>And finally, I don't care who wins this presidential election, as long
>as someone does. I don't know very much about politics. I know a little
HAHA, they all lost, just like I had secretly hoped that they would.
My dream came true, now someone take over already damnit!
>To, in summary: I watch Friends, and I haven't read Nietszche, and
>I'm not big on politics.
To, in summary: you're an arker. Sorry buddy, you're stuck with us
whether or not you've read dead german guys...
>You may point and laugh now.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!!
~Vicky Nicky
Crgre Jvyyneq
17:56:27 GMT]
>I was going to do this piecemeal, but I figure I might as
>well get this out of the way with everyone at once.
>
>First of all, I watch Friends.
Never seen it! Is that a girl show?
> You know, that overrated TV
>show that comes on every Thursday night? I watch that. I
>miss Whose Line Is It Anyway sometimes in order to see it.
>It's funny. And the characters are slightly less
>one-dimensional than those in those other crappy sitcoms.
How many dimensions is that? Is it more or less than 3/2
dimensions?
>You can deduce from the above that I do, in fact, own a
>television set, and I watch it frequently. Friends, South
>Park, et cetera. Even Star Trek: Voyager.
Xena? What about Xena? I think I'm going to start watching Xena!
<snip>
>And I watch lots
>of things I think aren't mainstream but probably are, like
>Iron Chef and Red Dwarf.
You are OUT-SIDE! That's outside, man! What do Red Dwarf fans
call themselves?
>And I tend to stay away from Jerry
>Springer, professional wrestling, soap operas, and other such
>intelligence-free shows. And yet, I've watched Survivor, and
>I occasionally watch Blind Date, which in the minds of some
>are "just as bad." I don't think so, otherwise I wouldn't
>watch them.
Blind Date is a great show -- is that made by the same people as
the pop-up video people or did they just steal the concept? TLC
has a similar show that isn't quite as funny, it's actually
creepy, but they don't run it at a locally convenient viewing
time.
>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably
>even misspelled it right now. But I know Immanuel Kant is
>spelled with an I, but not because I've read him, either.
>Because someone here posted about him and I mentally noted
>"hey, I thought it was spelled with an E, but it isn't."
Kent was the alter-ego of Superman, so I guess you're reading
Nietzsche in your sleep or something.
>That's how I learned practically everything I know about dead
>German philosophers. That is, of course, assuming that the
>people I've mentioned just now are even German.
They have these comic-book format books about stuff like this, I
recommend the Totem Books series, they have one on Kant, over
the Writers and Readers series. Hume and Kant are interesting
for philosophy, if that helps.
>There's lots
>of stuff I haven't read. I haven't read Lord of the Rings,
>except when I read The Hobbit in sixth grade.
How come? Did you read the Dune books?
>And I haven't
>read many of the überclassics like War and Peace, Pride and
>Prejudice, and the like, though I fail to see why I'd really
>want to.
You want to read the Pickwick Papers and Tristram Shandy and
Rabelais. They manufacture large-print editions, by the way...
<snip>
>don't claim to know whether abolishing the minimum wage would
>result in a more stable economy, or an entire generation of
>teenagers working for two dollars an hour.
Is it true that the minimum is still $3 in Texas?
>To, in summary: I watch Friends, and I haven't read
>Nietszche, and I'm not big on politics.
>
>Oh, and sometimes I shop at the MALL, too.
>
>That's about it. Those are my demons of mediocrity.
>You may point and laugh now.
So instead of sports you've got the hi-tech gadgetry thing going
on. If you got into sports and quit watching that girl show,
you'd be entirely typical of the entire population and the
pollsters wouldn't have to make so many calls.
--
Peter Willard http://www.drizzle.com/~petew
``you can win if you you give hurry some T-shirt, some
personalized visit cards, some pencils, the 2 movies and gifts
that give us to play while we see its publicity. To what you
wait!'' -- Consupermiso People
satchi
Crgre Jvyyneq wrote:
<snip>
> Xena? What about Xena?
Xena had a baby
it started as a xygote
satchi
a fetus is parasite
http://www.bombhumor.com
Matt McIrvin
(Nick Bensema) wrote:
>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably even
>misspelled it right now. But I know Immanuel Kant is spelled with
>an I, but not because I've read him, either.
All I know about Immanuel Kant, besides that he said something about a
categorical imperative, was that he was apparently one of the first
people to make an approximately correct guess about the structure of the
galaxy. I learn these things by reading Edward Harrison books.
Also that the first person to write the correct answer to Olbers' Paradox*
was Edgar Allan Poe. I think this is one of the strangest little-known
historical facts ever.
* Misnamed since it wasn't first proposed by Olbers and anyway he thought,
incorrectly, that he had solved it, so he didn't consider it a paradox. If
you haven't heard it, the question is this: Light intensity drops off as
the inverse square of distance. But suppose we divide the universe into
thin spherical shells centered on the earth. The number of stars (or,
from a modern perspective, galaxies) in a shell with a given radius goes
up as the area of the shell, which is proportional to the square of the
radius. So the light intensity we receive from such a shell is roughly
constant. If the universe is infinite, you can sum up all those shells
and determine that we should see an infinite amount of light. So why is
the sky dark at night?
If you know the answer, shhh, don't tell.
--
Matt McIrvin http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/
Nick Bensema
Crgre Jvyyneq <petew+...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>[Nick Bensema, alt.religion.kibology, Sat, 18 Nov 2000
>17:56:27 GMT]
>
>>I was going to do this piecemeal, but I figure I might as
>>well get this out of the way with everyone at once.
>>
>>First of all, I watch Friends.
>
>Never seen it! Is that a girl show?
Well, there's girls IN it.
>>You can deduce from the above that I do, in fact, own a
>>television set, and I watch it frequently. Friends, South
>>Park, et cetera. Even Star Trek: Voyager.
>
>Xena? What about Xena? I think I'm going to start watching Xena!
No, not Xena, except I left the TV on in the other room and it's
on now. But I think I've only ever really paid attention to one
episode of Xena, and I forget most of what happened. And one time
I tuned into the end of an episode, and Xena and some other person
were in a dream world, and they took off their SKIN and had a big
ol' skeleton fight. I wonder if they were allowed to show THAT
part of her body in Iran.
>Blind Date is a great show -- is that made by the same people as
>the pop-up video people or did they just steal the concept? TLC
>has a similar show that isn't quite as funny, it's actually
>creepy, but they don't run it at a locally convenient viewing
>time.
Few people know this, but Blind Date is actually a spinoff of an
obscure, less successful reality show called Job Interview.
>>There's lots
>>of stuff I haven't read. I haven't read Lord of the Rings,
>>except when I read The Hobbit in sixth grade.
>
>How come? Did you read the Dune books?
Nope. And before you ask, no, I don't think I've read that either.
>>don't claim to know whether abolishing the minimum wage would
>>result in a more stable economy, or an entire generation of
>>teenagers working for two dollars an hour.
>
>Is it true that the minimum is still $3 in Texas?
Same as in town.
Nick Bensema
Vicky <hippo...@poetic.com> wrote:
>
>>First of all, I watch Friends. You know, that overrated TV show
>>that comes on every Thursday night? I watch that. I miss Whose
>>Line Is It Anyway sometimes in order to see it. It's funny. And
>
My reasoning is thus: Friends is on at 7:00. Whose Line is on at
7:00 _and_ 7:30. So it's not like I'm missing ALL of Whose Line.
>>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably even
>
>Me neither. I deleted that whole body of messages...oh well. I have
>however read parts of Mein Kampf, by Hitler, but that was for a debate
>I was doing. Which I won unanimously, my opponent only knew that
>Hitler 'killed thousands of Jews'.
Maybe even hundreds. A little reading goes a long way. My friend and
I in high school totally kicked major ass playing John Dean in the
Watergate trial reenactment, just by skimming his book.
>>many of the überclassics like War and Peace, Pride and Prejudice,
>>and the like, though I fail to see why I'd really want to. But I'm
>
>BRAVO!!! I admit I have only read those that were required for Prof.
>Madden's (The Elephant Woman) class.
Any relation to that Madden guy who has all those Sega Sports games
named after him?
>>even though when there's both a movie and a book, I usually just see
>>the movie.
>
>I do that, except with Stephen King. I have only seen a couple of the
>movies, but have read nearly all of the books.
Guess what? I don't read Stephen King either. Fnar! I might eventually,
but not this month.
>>And finally, I don't care who wins this presidential election, as long
>>as someone does. I don't know very much about politics. I know a little
>
>HAHA, they all lost, just like I had secretly hoped that they would.
>My dream came true, now someone take over already damnit!
You know what? The Speaker of the House is beginning to look like a damn
good choice for President. Whoever he is. <rimshot>
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!11!!!!!!1!!!!!
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
Nick Bensema
Matt McIrvin <mmci...@world.std.com> wrote:
>In article <fpzR5.26848$wW2.8...@news1.giganews.com>, ni...@fnord.io.com
>(Nick Bensema) wrote:
>
>>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably even
>>misspelled it right now. But I know Immanuel Kant is spelled with
>>an I, but not because I've read him, either.
>
>All I know about Immanuel Kant, besides that he said something about a
>categorical imperative, was that he was apparently one of the first
>people to make an approximately correct guess about the structure of the
>galaxy. I learn these things by reading Edward Harrison books.
OOH! I just remembered! I know something about Descartes. They say
once he disappeared because he didn't want any sugar in his tea. Well,
that's all the philosophy I know about him. Everything else I know about
him is related to math. I think he was the guy who invented square pies.
>* Misnamed since it wasn't first proposed by Olbers and anyway he thought,
>incorrectly, that he had solved it, so he didn't consider it a paradox. If
>you haven't heard it, the question is this: Light intensity drops off as
>the inverse square of distance. But suppose we divide the universe into
>thin spherical shells centered on the earth. The number of stars (or,
>from a modern perspective, galaxies) in a shell with a given radius goes
>up as the area of the shell, which is proportional to the square of the
>radius. So the light intensity we receive from such a shell is roughly
>constant. If the universe is infinite, you can sum up all those shells
>and determine that we should see an infinite amount of light. So why is
>the sky dark at night?
Uh, dust?
>If you know the answer, shhh, don't tell.
Oh, damn.
Crgre Jvyyneq
01:13:40 GMT]
>In article <8FF093BD9b...@209.155.56.82>,
>Crgre Jvyyneq <petew+...@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>[Nick Bensema, alt.religion.kibology, Sat, 18 Nov 2000
>>17:56:27 GMT]
>>
>>>I was going to do this piecemeal, but I figure I might as
>>>well get this out of the way with everyone at once.
>>>
>>>First of all, I watch Friends.
>>
>>Never seen it! Is that a girl show?
>
>Well, there's girls IN it.
Are they the friends?
>>>You can deduce from the above that I do, in fact, own a
>>>television set, and I watch it frequently. Friends, South
>>>Park, et cetera. Even Star Trek: Voyager.
What else in that et cetera?
>>Xena? What about Xena? I think I'm going to start watching
>>Xena!
>
>No, not Xena, except I left the TV on in the other room and
>it's on now.
Hence, you DO watch Xena, by contradiction!
>But I think I've only ever really paid
>attention to one episode of Xena, and I forget most of what
>happened. And one time I tuned into the end of an episode,
>and Xena and some other person were in a dream world, and
>they took off their SKIN and had a big ol' skeleton fight. I
>wonder if they were allowed to show THAT part of her body in
>Iran.
I am, like, so going to watch Xena now.
>>Blind Date is a great show -- is that made by the same
>>people as the pop-up video people or did they just steal the
>>concept? TLC has a similar show that isn't quite as funny,
>>it's actually creepy, but they don't run it at a locally
>>convenient viewing time.
>
>Few people know this, but Blind Date is actually a spinoff of
>an obscure, less successful reality show called Job
>Interview.
Oooh! The sooper-sekrit, ratings weapon of the Human Resources
Channel! Someone tell Catbert!
>>>There's lots
>>>of stuff I haven't read. I haven't read Lord of the Rings,
>>>except when I read The Hobbit in sixth grade.
>>
>>How come? Did you read the Dune books?
>
>Nope. And before you ask, no, I don't think I've read that
>either.
There are a few decent audio editions of books, especially LotR
and Dune. It's actually worth it. You can listen to books on
tape and watch up to 5 tvs at the same time.
Glenn Knickerbocker
>There are a few decent audio editions of books, especially LotR
I -TOLD- you to quit searchenginebombing me! And Lots42!
Joseph Michael Bay
>In article <fpzR5.26848$wW2.8...@news1.giganews.com>, ni...@fnord.io.com
>(Nick Bensema) wrote:
>>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche. I've probably even
>>misspelled it right now. But I know Immanuel Kant is spelled with
>>an I, but not because I've read him, either.
>All I know about Immanuel Kant, besides that he said something about a
>categorical imperative, was that he was apparently one of the first
>people to make an approximately correct guess about the structure of the
>galaxy.
And then he asked why Ma'am and George turned the pizza box over
so the cheese stuck to the top, and mispronounced "Papadopolous"
in the cutest way possible.
--
Joe Bay
Stanford University
Cancer Biology Program
CERTIFYED MICROS~1 SYSTEMS ENJINEAR
David DeLaney
>>But suppose we divide the universe into
>>thin spherical shells centered on the earth.
And tax them accordingly. ...Wait, wrong thread.
>> The number of stars (or,
>>from a modern perspective, galaxies) in a shell with a given radius goes
>>up as the area of the shell, which is proportional to the square of the
>>radius. So the light intensity we receive from such a shell is roughly
>>constant. If the universe is infinite, you can sum up all those shells
>>and determine that we should see an infinite amount of light. So why is
>>the sky dark at night?
>
>Uh, dust?
Good guess. Wrong - but good guess. (See, that would work - but only for,
relatively speaking, a short time. Then the dust heats up to the ambient
temperature of the surfaces of the various stars, and starts radiating
as fast as it's absorbing. Back to sphere one.)
>>If you know the answer, shhh, don't tell.
>
>Oh, damn.
Hint: it's red.
Dave "No, I didn't mean it's red's -fault-" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
Nick Bensema
Matt McIrvin
(Nick Bensema) wrote:
[Olbers' paradox]
>Uh, dust?
That was the answer Olbers tried. Nope. Before long the dust would
heat up and glow and you'd be back where you started.
Plorkwort
--
Valentine: Is there anything in it? That we are all doomed? Oh, yes, it's
called the second law of thermodynamics. Hannah: Was it known about?
Valentine: By poets and lunatics from time immemorial.
--Tom Stoppard, _Arcadia_
Matt McIrvin
(David DeLaney) wrote:
>Hint: it's red.
Ah, a Steady State theorist.
Plorkwort
There's a nice explanation in _Support Your Local Wizard_, a book which
greatly influenced my childhood, especially in looking at bug-eyed
monsters.
Plorkwort
Karlo X
<fpzR5.26848$wW2.8...@news1.giganews.com>:
>Subject: Confessions of mediocrity.
The word "mediocrity" reminds me of Sen. Roman Hruska and I just
don't want to think about politics right now.
Instead, I'm watching two 2-8 football teams playing in a giant
concrete toilet in a mediocre suburb of a mediocre city.
>First of all, I watch Friends. You know, that overrated TV show
>that comes on every Thursday night? I watch that. I miss Whose
>Line Is It Anyway sometimes in order to see it. It's funny. And
>the characters are slightly less one-dimensional than those in
>those other crappy sitcoms.
You're Allowed to watch television, even pro wrestling, as long
as you know it's mediocrity institutionalized. It's the people
who think they're actually absorbing kultur by watching "Helmut
Lotti Sings the Klassix" on PBS that need to be wiped off the
face of the planet.
>Second of all, I haven't read any Nietzsche.
Nietzsche is pietzsche. Actually, he was a twisted old fuck, a
depressed syphillitic with a wicked crush on Wagner's wife.
You don't *have* to read Nietszche unless you think you might
have a problem with being too happy.
Wait, we're talking about Jack Nietzche, the keyboard player,
right?
>Now, I profess to know a little about physics, because it was an
>interest of mine when I was a child, and was in fact an occasional
>topic of discussion between me and my grandfather. I own a copy of
>"A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking and have read about
>half of it. I profess to know a great deal about language, and I've
>read quite a lot of books about foreign languages. Yet, I'm not
>fluent in anything but English. And I have a pretty good working
>vocabulary. I own a lot of books and I've read many of them, but
>most of it is non-fiction. So don't expect me to know bloody
>everything, or be able to quote the Odyssey or whatnot.
This is where your troll falls to pieces. You mentioned
"books" and "reading".
Oprah's Book Club and the crowds lining up for the next Harry Potter
aside, few people read anymore. Whether it's a lack of time, an
attention span whittled down to a Michael Mann 1-second jumpcut,
or a moribund culture, books have become a luxury item; not the
book itself (though hardcover prices are obscene) but the time
spent reading.
Who had 100 hours to spare for _The Infinite Jest_? Not I.
>And finally, I don't care who wins this presidential election, as
>long as someone does. I don't know very much about politics.
Nobody does. That's why they make it up as they go along.
>Oh, and sometimes I shop at the MALL, too.
Now *that* is fucked.
>You may point and laugh now.
Pssst. Nick? Your fly...
k.
--
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are
really good at heart." - Anne Frank
Matt McIrvin
wrote:
>You're Allowed to watch television, even pro wrestling, as long
>as you know it's mediocrity institutionalized. It's the people
>who think they're actually absorbing kultur by watching "Helmut
>Lotti Sings the Klassix" on PBS that need to be wiped off the
>face of the planet.
I just like the lyrics he writes himself for the pieces that don't
have them.
http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/kibology/lotti.html
I was entertained by the blood-curdling job he did on that thing from
"Peer Gynt," too. I think he sang it as a duet with somebody.
Crgre Jvyyneq
17:46:24 GMT]
>In article <Z_FR5.14120$%j3.1...@news6.giganews.com>,
>ni...@fnord.io.com (Nick Bensema) wrote:
>
>[Olbers' paradox]
>
>>Uh, dust?
>
>That was the answer Olbers tried. Nope. Before long the
>dust would heat up and glow and you'd be back where you
>started.
>
Because the only thing like the Sun is the Sun and those
``stars'' that astronomers always talk about are just little
crystals set on the Universal Mechanism to give delight to G-wd,
since Man surely gives no more delight, except when we are flung
into Eternal Torment.
Crgre Jvyyneq
>
>Who had 100 hours to spare for _The Infinite Jest_? Not I.
It's like watching Oprah for a month, not recommended. Try pages
157-169 or, better yet, the notes and errata that begins on p
983. It hasn't aged well, as the commercialism it mocks has
grown and mutated into something far worse since it was written,
and I think it needed to be edited down by 2/3, but who has time
to edit?
Sarah Cherlin
McIrvin) wrote:
>* Misnamed since it wasn't first proposed by Olbers and anyway he thought,
>incorrectly, that he had solved it, so he didn't consider it a paradox. If
>you haven't heard it, the question is this: Light intensity drops off as
>the inverse square of distance. But suppose we divide the universe into
>thin spherical shells centered on the earth. The number of stars (or,
>from a modern perspective, galaxies) in a shell with a given radius goes
>up as the area of the shell, which is proportional to the square of the
>radius. So the light intensity we receive from such a shell is roughly
>constant. If the universe is infinite, you can sum up all those shells
>and determine that we should see an infinite amount of light. So why is
>the sky dark at night?
This is closely related to the famous, hitherto unsolved paradox
stated thusly: IF your grandmother has wheels, then WHY ISN'T she a
trolley car?
WELL??
--
Today's word is: 'throunce' <---YOU CANNOT STOP MEEEE
Joseph Michael Bay
>Because the only thing like the Sun is the Sun and those
>``stars'' that astronomers always talk about are just little
>crystals set on the Universal Mechanism to give delight to G-wd,
>since Man surely gives no more delight, except when we are flung
>into Eternal Torment.
Stop calling me Shirley.
--
Joe Bay Impeach Clinton
Cancer Biology Twelve Galaxies
Stanford University Guiltied to a Zegnatronic
Stanford, California Rocket Society
Joseph Michael Bay
>[Sarah Cherlin, alt.religion.kibology, Mon, 20 Nov 2000
><Olbers schmolbers>
>>This is closely related to the famous, hitherto unsolved
>>paradox stated thusly: IF your grandmother has wheels, then
>>WHY ISN'T she a trolley car?
>Because of the CONSPIRACY between the Standard Oil Company the
>General Motors Corporation to DESTROY all trolley cars.
>>WELL??
>Do wells have wheels all of the sudden?
Wheels within wells, man. It's all conspiracies.
E Teflon Piano
<ni...@fnord.io.com> wrote:
[Nick Bensema: Intellectual Magpie]
Nick,
You are average. When pollsters ask for the opinion of the ordinary man
on the street, we'll all point to you and say: "Try Nick! He's very
ordinary." You have saddled the brontosauraus hump of the bell curve
and are riding him into the future. It's amazing you aren't getting
laid, with a pickup line like "Did you see 'Friends' last night?"
--
Institute for Misapplied Psychometry fellow E Teflon Piano is founder of the
Internet 'Lectronic Legal Society. Teflon is a mark owned by duPont. E is E
poly(TFE) Piano Enterprises' [dibs] for ironic hyperbole and elitist satire.
ŠE[dibs] 1994-2000
Brack!
wrote:
>To, in summary: I watch Friends, and I haven't read Nietszche, and
>I'm not big on politics.
>
>Oh, and sometimes I shop at the MALL, too.
>
>That's about it. Those are my demons of mediocrity.
>
>You may point and laugh now.
Teehee! Nick's LOWBROW!
Dont worry Nick, we still love you. But only for so long as you have
candy.
Brack! Deploy Spam-Away(tm)!: |"What a good little boy you are,
<root@[127.0.0.1]> | Scotty... I could just pinch that
<MAILER-DAEMON@[127.0.0.1]> | chubby little cheek of yours until
<abuse@[127.0.0.1]> | it turns black and falls off of your
<.@[127.0.0.1]> UNSUBSCRIBE | fucking face, you adorable little boy."
David DeLaney
(Which brings up the anti-Olbers' Paradox: If everywhere we look eventually
has its geodesic intersecting a black hole, why is there starlight? No no,
I know the answer...)
Dave "on the inside looking out" DeLaney
David DeLaney
>d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>Hint: it's red.
>
>Ah, a Steady State theorist.
Well, that reason too - but even in steady-state you get the Edge of The
Known Universe effect. Right?
Dave "and not, as Asimov once wrote, paper-thin and paper-thinner galaxies"
Crgre Jvyyneq
<Olbers schmolbers>
>This is closely related to the famous, hitherto unsolved
>paradox stated thusly: IF your grandmother has wheels, then
>WHY ISN'T she a trolley car?
Because of the CONSPIRACY between the Standard Oil Company the
General Motors Corporation to DESTROY all trolley cars.
>WELL??
Do wells have wheels all of the sudden?
--
Crgre Jvyyneq
02:52:51 GMT]
>mmci...@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) writes:
>>d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu (David DeLaney) wrote:
>>>Hint: it's red.
>>
>>Ah, a Steady State theorist.
>
>Well, that reason too - but even in steady-state you get the
>Edge of The Known Universe effect. Right?
The one paper I looked up about this said that the heavens may
be arranged in some sort of fractal thingy and that might be a
reason. Maybe Universe needs some gaffer's tape.
Darla VladsChyk
(Plorkwort) wrote:
>The moving finger of Matt McIrvin wrote <mmci...@world.std.com:
>>All I know about Immanuel Kant, besides that he said something about a
>>categorical imperative, was that he ...
Look, all you need to know about Kant is that in a discussion about
masturbation and suicide, he declared "Well at least you could
*imagine* killing yourself."
This is not a guy you wanted to pledge your fraternity.
Darla
Crgre Jvyyneq
05:14:19 GMT]
Kant also had peculiar ideas about electricity that might be
amusing to someone reading this group.
Hong Ooi
VladsChyk) wrote:
>Look, all you need to know about Kant is that in a discussion about
>masturbation and suicide, he declared "Well at least you could
>*imagine* killing yourself."
Personally I kant imagine killing myself.
>
>This is not a guy you wanted to pledge your fraternity.
Pledge, pledge, pledge, that's all you ever think about.
--
Hong Ooi | "...YES I *DO* HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TURNING
hong...@maths.anu.edu.au | INTO GEORGE W. BUSH."
http://www.zip.com.au/~hong | -- SeK
Canberra, Australia |
Otto Bahn
> > Xena? What about Xena?
>
> Xena had a baby
> it started as a xygote
Don't gote there! The damn things keep showing
up in my fried xggs. It's like a big eye staring
at me through a pupil.
--oTTo--
Diving off the pupil stage
The Avocado Avenger
>You're Allowed to watch television, even pro wrestling, as long
>as you know it's mediocrity institutionalized. It's the people
>who think they're actually absorbing kultur by watching "Helmut
>Lotti Sings the Klassix" on PBS that need to be wiped off the
>face of the planet.
How, exactly, is watching a televised classical/operatic performance any
less kulturd than listening to a recording of the same? And what's a
Lotta Helmet?
Stacia * The Avocado Avenger * Life is a tale told by an idiot;
http://www.io.com/~stacia/ * Full of sound and fury,
There is no guacamole anywhere. * Signifying nothing.
Ben Allard
>And what's a Lotta Helmet?
/____
\ \
|
--ben _______|
/
This space left blank intentionally. You know what goes there. I really
don't have to waste my time and energy typing it.
Also, please to be describing the horrible death of Brenda. We're all
wanting to know.
Karlo X
<OCiS5.3871$s61....@news1.giganews.com>:
>kta...@artcrime.com (Karlo X) writes:
>
>>You're Allowed to watch television, even pro wrestling, as long
>>as you know it's mediocrity institutionalized. It's the people
>>who think they're actually absorbing kultur by watching "Helmut
>>Lotti Sings the Klassix" on PBS that need to be wiped off the
>>face of the planet.
>
>How, exactly, is watching a televised classical/operatic
>performance any less kulturd than listening to a recording of the
>same? And what's a Lotta Helmet?
Helmet was a New York band that sounded like Anthrax but looked
like the Four Freshmen. Numerous A&R people took one look at
them and said, in unison, if not four-part harmony, "We can sell
that!". Lotta Helmet was a band girlfriend.
And considering that *live* Metropolitan Opera performances have
been "subtitled" for nearly a decade ("supertitled" might be more
accurate), the difference is less negligable than I'd like it to
be.
But Lotti, the Three Castrati, Vangelis, Zamfir, et al, are
Classics Lite. That droning sound is not the Mighty Moog of
Isao Tomita Rising From This Very Stage. It's Leonard Bernstein
spinning in his grave, rapidly, like a kazoo cadenza.
The Avocado Avenger
>But Lotti, the Three Castrati, Vangelis, Zamfir, et al, are
>Classics Lite. That droning sound is not the Mighty Moog of
>Isao Tomita Rising From This Very Stage. It's Leonard Bernstein
>spinning in his grave, rapidly, like a kazoo cadenza.
So your prblem was that they were all pseudo-classix without actually
being classix? Gotcha. Right with you, dude. I get the same feeling
from Classic Arts Showcase, which is a free college channel that shows
snippets of classical performances. Some are good, but most are 1980s
European shorts of classical music set to strange videos. In the 1980s,
people thought any music would be popular if it were only set to a video!
So I get to see "Bolero" accompanied by a bunch of animated dinosaurs.
Stuff like that.
But just because something is on TV doesn't mean it's automatically
stupid. There's a higher probability, sure, but not a guarantee.
Michael
"Karlo X" <kta...@artcrime.com> wrote in message
news:8FF2E99...@63.209.170.205...
>
> Helmet was a New York band that sounded like Anthrax but looked
> like the Four Freshmen. Numerous A&R people took one look at
> them and said, in unison, if not four-part harmony, "We can sell
> that!". Lotta Helmet was a band girlfriend.
And they did a great version of Gigantor, see Saturday Morning Cartoons
Favourite Hits.
Other like's from that album:
Frente doing pebble's song form the Flintstones.
Violent Femmes doing Eep Opp Ork Ah Ah from The Jetsones.
Ramones doing Spiderman.
GIGANTOR! GIGANTOR! GIGAA-AA-AANTOR!!
-m
Carlos May
The Avocado Avenger <sta...@io.com> explained:
: In the 1980s, people thought any music would be popular if it were only
: set to a video!
A few years earlier, the working theory had been that any music would be
popular if only it were set to a disco backbeat.
Meanwhile, it had actually been discovered that all you need to do
is inflict repeated listenings, 3 or 4 times an hour all day long
for weeks, interspersed with d.j. jabber even more inane than the
"music".
: So I get to see "Bolero" accompanied by a bunch of animated dinosaurs.
Oooh! Dinosaurs! Wearing beads in their hair!
: Stuff like that.
Right.
: But just because something is on TV doesn't mean it's automatically
: stupid. There's a higher probability, sure, but not a guarantee.
Unlike commercial "top hits" radio.
-- Calros "Foggy" Mary
* Fro...@neosoft.com ** "The Information Super-Frog" [dibs] *
"Moral disaster is coming to hundreds of young girls through the
pathological, sex-exciting music of jazz orchestras." -- The Illinois
Vigilance Association * http://www.angelfire.com/la/carlosmay/
Glenn Knickerbocker
> I profess to know a great deal about language, and I've read quite a
> lot of books about foreign languages. Yet, I'm not fluent in anything
> but English.
Ugh. This just reminded me that I've now spent TWO THIRDS of my life
failing to learn Russian. And here I thought it was depressing back
when it was just half!
ŹR
Mike Dahmus
infinite number of monkeys to write:
>You can deduce from the above that I do, in fact, own a television
>set, and I watch it frequently. Friends, South Park, et cetera.
Friends == OK because BQQBies.
South Park == excellent mediocrity because KIDS! WITH POOPY JOKES AND BAD
WORDS!
et cetera == crap. Burn your TV. Just buy the South Park videos and watch
"Friends" at the Sears at your MALL.
HTH,
---
Mike Dahmus mdahmus at I O DOT COM
http://www.dahmus.org/mike/
"No one likes a pedantic smartarse..."
oonh
> The moving finger of Matt McIrvin wrote <mmci...@world.std.com:
>>If you know the answer, shhh, don't tell.
> There's a nice explanation in _Support Your Local Wizard_, a book which
> greatly influenced my childhood, especially in looking at bug-eyed
> monsters.
> Plorkwort
oonh
Michael Straight
> But Lotti, the Three Castrati, Vangelis, Zamfir, et al, are
> Classics Lite. That droning sound is not the Mighty Moog of
> Isao Tomita Rising From This Very Stage. It's Leonard Bernstein
> spinning in his grave, rapidly, like a kazoo cadenza.
Leonard Bernstein might have been smart enough to realize that today's
middlebrow fan may become tomorrow's Serious Classical Music fan. Some
people blame the decline in classical music in part to attitudes like
yours that only Low Culture or High Culture are cool, but the Three Tenors
is hopelessly square.
Maybe I would have gone on to enjoy Shostakovich and Sussato if I hadn't
grown up exposed to lite stuff like Mancini and Leroy Anderson and the
Boston Pops, but maybe I would've never made it out of the Pop ghetto.
And you can always play the game in the other direction: "Bernstein? You
like that drivel? What could be more hokey than West Side Story? And
dumbing-down Beethoven's string quartets by arranging them for orchestra?
Sacrilege!"
SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Brian Palmer
> In article <3a1710af...@news.crosslink.net>,
> Vicky <hippo...@poetic.com> wrote:
> >Me neither. I deleted that whole body of messages...oh well. I have
> >however read parts of Mein Kampf, by Hitler, but that was for a debate
> >I was doing. Which I won unanimously, my opponent only knew that
> >Hitler 'killed thousands of Jews'.
See, I don't know what Vicky has against Nick's little thread that
she'd try to kill it in this way. That's just cruel.
> >>And finally, I don't care who wins this presidential election, as long
> >>as someone does. I don't know very much about politics. I know a little
> >
> >HAHA, they all lost, just like I had secretly hoped that they would.
> >My dream came true, now someone take over already damnit!
>
> You know what? The Speaker of the House is beginning to look like a damn
> good choice for President. Whoever he is. <rimshot>
ME TOO!2! The Speaker for the Dead is INSPIRATIONAL!
--
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create
the universe. -Carl Sagan
And knowing is half the battle.
>
>My reasoning is thus: Friends is on at 7:00. Whose Line is on at
>7:00 _and_ 7:30. So it's not like I'm missing ALL of Whose Line.
>
Wait a second. Where in god's name do you live where you get two 'Who's Line'
in a row? I want to watch that hour! I don't even care if it's Drew! Drew isn't
on screen all the time so it's okay!
(Watch, it's probably something like 'Comedy Central' where all the good stuff
is).
--
"When life hands you a lemon, pull out a gun and start shooting."
"It's all fun and games until somebody gets eaten." - Louis
"Tylenol is dangerous; take only one or it will kill you" - Columbia U. tunnel
graffiti
And knowing is half the battle.
>>>from a modern perspective, galaxies) in a shell with a given radius goes
>>>up as the area of the shell, which is proportional to the square of the
>>>radius. So the light intensity we receive from such a shell is roughly
>>>constant. If the universe is infinite, you can sum up all those shells
>>>and determine that we should see an infinite amount of light. So why is
>>>the sky dark at night?
Because whoever thought up this question is a moron?
Crgre Jvyyneq
22 Nov 2000 03:33:43 GMT]
>>From: ni...@fnord.io.com (Nick Bensema)
>
>>
>>My reasoning is thus: Friends is on at 7:00. Whose Line is
>>on at 7:00 _and_ 7:30. So it's not like I'm missing ALL of
>>Whose Line.
>>
>
>Wait a second. Where in god's name do you live where you get
>two 'Who's Line' in a row? I want to watch that hour! I don't
>even care if it's Drew! Drew isn't on screen all the time so
>it's okay!
>
>(Watch, it's probably something like 'Comedy Central' where
>all the good stuff is).
Well, duh, yeah. And it's the original Pommie version, so it's
BETTER! Not that I've seen more than five minutes of it, mind
you.
Daniel Buettner
> [And knowing is half the battle., alt.religion.kibology, Wed,
> 22 Nov 2000 03:33:43 GMT]
>>(Watch, it's probably something like 'Comedy Central' where
>>all the good stuff is).
> Well, duh, yeah. And it's the original Pommie version, so it's
> BETTER! Not that I've seen more than five minutes of it, mind
> you.
That just makes good sense, inasmuch as Comedy Central has
the annoying habit of never actually having anything funny
on it.
--
~
~
~
"Daniel Buettner" line 4 of 4 --100%--
Matt McIrvin
It was Edmond Halley of comet fame, incidentally. Of course, he was
working in an era when the universe was believed to be static on the
largest scales and infinitely old, hint hint.
--
Matt McIrvin http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/
Karlo X
<Pine.A41.4.21L1.00112...@login5.isis.unc.edu>:
>Leonard Bernstein might have been smart enough to realize that
>today's middlebrow fan may become tomorrow's Serious Classical Music
>fan.
He was, hence the "Concerts for Young People", where we'd all sit
on the floor because listening to music is always much more fun
while sitting on the floor. No patronizing, no prostelytizing,
no arrangements of Beatles songs. Worked for me.
>Some people blame the decline in classical music in part to
>attitudes like yours that only Low Culture or High Culture are cool,
>but the Three Tenors is hopelessly square.
Absolutely. Culture is my religion. Revelations 3:16.
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither
cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
The decline of "classical" music began nearly a hundred years
ago, when the Neo-Classicians split from the Modernists. What
followed were either works too dissonant for public consumption
or a thousand adaptations of "Simple Gifts".
People adapted to stream-of-consciousness literature, free verse,
abstract painting and sculpture, and glass-box architecture, but
those tone rows and clusters never caught on. There was a long-
standing lament among modern composers that in any given Manhattan
apartment, you'd find DeKooning on the walls, Barth and Pynchon
on the bookshelves, but Vivaldi on the turntable.
In the end, the Neos declared victory, called it Post-Modernism,
and went home.
Fool
>
> In article <20001121223602...@ng-mf1.aol.com>,
> lot...@aol.comaol.com (And knowing is half the battle.) wrote:
>
> working in an era when the universe was believed to be static on the
> largest scales and infinitely old,
hmmm...
> hint hint.
>
hmmm...
Oh!
The sky is dark at night because the largest scales are made of copper
and so they discharged all the static.
--
To email me, remove 'it' from my address.
The Avocado Avenger
>The decline of "classical" music began nearly a hundred years
>ago, when the Neo-Classicians split from the Modernists. What
>followed were either works too dissonant for public consumption
>or a thousand adaptations of "Simple Gifts".
"Simple Gifts" is such a crowd-pleaser. We had to perform it LIVE! On
TV! for the Kansas Shrine Bowl and got a standing ovation. I still don't
know why, it's just a lot of big fukken chords.
David DeLaney
>kta...@artcrime.com (Karlo X) writes:
>>The decline of "classical" music began nearly a hundred years
>>ago, when the Neo-Classicians split from the Modernists. What
>>followed were either works too dissonant for public consumption
>>or a thousand adaptations of "Simple Gifts".
>
> "Simple Gifts" is such a crowd-pleaser. We had to perform it LIVE! On
>TV! for the Kansas Shrine Bowl and got a standing ovation. I still don't
>know why, it's just a lot of big fukken chords.
It's even better on handbells.
Dave "followed by 'Fantasy on Hyfrydol'" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from d...@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://panacea.phys.utk.edu/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ/ I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
E Teflon Piano
<kta...@artcrime.com> wrote:
}stra...@email.unc.edu (Michael Straight) wrote in
}<Pine.A41.4.21L1.00112...@login5.isis.unc.edu>:
}
}>Leonard Bernstein might have been smart enough to realize that
}>today's middlebrow fan may become tomorrow's Serious Classical Music
}>fan.
}
}People adapted to stream-of-consciousness literature, free verse,
}abstract painting and sculpture, and glass-box architecture, but
}those tone rows and clusters never caught on.
Did too. We call it hip-hop.
--
Institute for Misapplied Psychometry fellow E Teflon Piano is founder of the
Internet 'Lectronic Legal Society. Teflon is a mark owned by duPont. E is E
poly(TFE) Piano Enterprises' [dibs] for ironic hyperbole and elitist satire.
ŠE[dibs] 1994-2000
Joseph Michael Bay
>It was Edmond Halley of comet fame, incidentally. Of course, he was
>working in an era when the universe was believed to be static on the
TROLL! TROLL!! IT was Bill Halley, or perhaps Ace Frehley,
who had comet fame.
--
Joe Bay Impeach Clinton
Cancer Biology Twelve Galaxies
Stanford University Guiltied to a Zegnatronic
Stanford, California Rocket Society
Crgre Jvyyneq
19:29:53 GMT]
>
>>It was Edmond Halley of comet fame, incidentally. Of
>>course, he was working in an era when the universe was
>>believed to be static on the
>
>TROLL! TROLL!! IT was Bill Halley, or perhaps Ace Frehley,
>who had comet fame.
>
>
Bill Halley and the Coconuts had that one great tune
``Jambalaya'' that was so popular with the kids -- when was that
-- back in '87? '92?
--
Peter Willard http://www.drizzle.com/~petew
``I said, 'I do not fear those pants
With nobody inside them.'
I said, and said, and said those words.
I said them. But I lied them.'' -- Dr. Seuss
The Pleasing Consistency
X), who's on the run from the Evil Far-Right Hegemony, wrote:
> People adapted to stream-of-consciousness literature, free verse,
> abstract painting and sculpture, and glass-box architecture, but
> those tone rows and clusters never caught on. There was a long-
> standing lament among modern composers that in any given Manhattan
> apartment, you'd find DeKooning on the walls, Barth and Pynchon
> on the bookshelves, but Vivaldi on the turntable.
I have this theory that there is a priority of senses that will not
tolerate avant-garde monkeying. People tolerate abstract art, but will not
tolerate Modernist music. But I assure you people will be more accepting
of Modernist music than they would ever be of avant garde food. In fact,
avant garde food is so revolting in concept that nobody's ever tried it.
Except maybe for nipchee. I honestly never had any sort of problem with
atonality, it all sounded like music to me, just as I never had any
reservations about noise/industrial music, so I consider myself fortunate,
as atonal music has been a source of great joy for me.
But what the rappers and junglists are doing with rhythm is far more
revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and it has the
full strength and vitality of vernacular culture behind it. My mother
thinks it's all just noise, anyway.
BTW. my sister said that we all "rocked out" to my earlier music,
presumably during my hip-hop phase, but said that she was disappointed
that I had "gone back" to my "experimental, atonal stuff." Now, my more
recent stuff is certainly more atonal than my hip-hop stuff, but I wonder
if it was just the BPM and the rhythms that struck her as "experimental."
Speaking of rhythm, the new Steinberg EX-8 MIDI interface has timing
precision down to 300 microseconds. That's about a one-to-one correlation
to ticks at 1920 ppqn at 180 BPM. I find that *sooo* erotic.
Robert "Still banking on that genius grant." Caponi
PS to Nick: I've read both Nietzsche and Immanuel Kant, but that doesn't
mean I haven't watched the last two 7th Heavens in their entirety. In the
last episode, we learned that misogynistic music is responsible for wife
beating. Yeah, and you can have "We Luv Deez Hoez" when you pry it from my
cold, dead fingers.
--
It don't take a year to figure out that one of the candidates is a
hostile alien space fungus and the other has been dead for three
thousand years. -Pete Willard
TWIDN -- http://www.nr.infi.net/~tagutcow/twidn.html
Karlo X
<tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
>In article <8FF4816...@63.209.170.209>, kta...@artcrime.com
>(Karlo X), who's on the run from the Evil Far-Right Hegemony, wrote:
I think they call it "the vast right wing conspiracy" these
days.
>> People adapted to stream-of-consciousness literature, free verse,
>> abstract painting and sculpture, and glass-box architecture, but
>> those tone rows and clusters never caught on. There was a long-
>> standing lament among modern composers that in any given Manhattan
>> apartment, you'd find DeKooning on the walls, Barth and Pynchon
>> on the bookshelves, but Vivaldi on the turntable.
>
> I have this theory that there is a priority of senses that will not
>tolerate avant-garde monkeying. People tolerate abstract art, but
>will not tolerate Modernist music. But I assure you people will be
>more accepting of Modernist music than they would ever be of avant
>garde food. In fact, avant garde food is so revolting in concept
>that nobody's ever tried it. Except maybe for nipchee.
You were *this* close...
There is "avant-garde food": nouvelle cuisine for starters, and
dog knows how many "ethnic" foods that have been absorbed into it.
Just as the Minimalists led the listening public to the Joys of
Repetitious Gamelan Music, "foodies" blazed a trail, making everything
except dog soup safe for middle-class consumption. It got to the
point a few years ago where the most avant-garde thing you could
do was serve meatloaf or mac 'n' cheese in an upscale urban setting
and charge $35, during the comfort-food backlash of the mid-'90s.
So now the (small) body of listeners that would consume and support
modern composers are listening to "world music" instead: Balinese,
Algerian, Bulgarian, Peruvian, etc. And that's what's on the CD
player in that mythical Manhattan apartment with the DeKoonings.
>I honestly never had any sort of problem with atonality, it all
>sounded like music to me, just as I never had any reservations about
>noise/industrial music, so I consider myself fortunate, as atonal
>music has been a source of great joy for me.
Which is wonderful for you, a sign of an educated musical palate.
Unfortunately, you are 1) atypical and B) not one of the very few,
very old, and very rich people who not only has perpetual dibs
on a luxury box seat at the local concert hall/opera house but
throws those organizations millions of dollars each year and a
huge chunk after death. They're the people who support these
institutions, and by extension, composers, their grants, their
teaching positions, their summers at Tanglewood.
Once they die off, which won't be long, who will take their place?
Corporations.
Now, this is good and bad. Good because once Mrs. Cabot-Hawthorne
is worm food, her Brahms fetish goes with her. Bad because of
the need for corporations to remain non-controversial, and for
their historic lack of taste when it comes to art and music (c.f.,
LeRoy Nieman, any office lobby, etc.). Try getting Pfizer to
underwrite your Mass for African AIDS victims. No way.
> But what the rappers and junglists are doing with rhythm is far more
>revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and it
>has the full strength and vitality of vernacular culture behind it.
Yes, but it's still "pop" music, with all the baggage that the
word "pop" carries (ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight, etc.).
It's DANCE music, and as such it has more to do with sex than art.
Fuck ART, let's DANCE
ART DANCE, let's fuck.
Most pop dance music is unlistenable unless you're dancing, for me
at least. "Blue Monday" might be one of my favorite oldies, but
without the club around me, the sticky floor under me, the drugs
inside me, and a girl to hold me up, it's just like sniffing a good
meal and not eating it.
>My mother thinks it's all just noise, anyway.
But Father knows best, and wonders what _Verklarte Nacht_ sounds
like with a 909 kick and vocoded samples of Goebbels barking.
> BTW. my sister said that we all "rocked out" to my earlier music,
>presumably during my hip-hop phase, but said that she was
>disappointed that I had "gone back" to my "experimental, atonal
>stuff." Now, my more recent stuff is certainly more atonal than my
>hip-hop stuff, but I wonder if it was just the BPM and the rhythms
>that struck her as "experimental."
You are lost in a maze of twisty idioms.
>Speaking of rhythm, the new Steinberg EX-8 MIDI interface has timing
>precision down to 300 microseconds. That's about a one-to-one
>correlation to ticks at 1920 ppqn at 180 BPM. I find that *sooo*
>erotic.
Marketing has you in their grip. RESIST! RESIST! OK!
MIDI is almost as old (1984) as TCP/IP ('80-'81). Back then, MIDI
data rate was 31.25Kbps, TCP/IP over 10-Base5 was 1.54 Mbps.
Now we're pushing packets over fibre at a rate of many gigabits per
second and MIDI is now...31.25Kbps. Workaround? Parallelizing a
bunch of serial lines (multiple MIDI in and out ports). Crap.
When I can assign my synths, effects, decks, controllers, etc. an
IP address (preferably IPv6) and make them nodes on a low-latency,
high-speed inf^Hternal network, *I'll* be sporting a lap mogul of
heroic proportions.
Of course, this can all be done right now, using off-the-shelf
chips and software. Look at the data-aquisition manufacturers:
telemetry signals that were once transmitted over serial links
are now travelling over Ethernet. But the MIDI Manufacturers
Association moves with the speed of a glacier, and getting them
all to agree on a common interface to generally accepted network
protocols would be like trying to get the source code for Windows
by writing a polite letter to Microsoft and enclosing a self-
addressed, stamped envelope.
Michael
> tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote in
> <tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
>
> >In article <8FF4816...@63.209.170.209>, kta...@artcrime.com
> >(Karlo X), who's on the run from the Evil Far-Right Hegemony, wrote:
Thankyou Karlo, can't agree more, however I have one more thing too add (you
already said most of the things I was going to reply with, but damnit, your
a better writer than me...)
>
> > But what the rappers and junglists are doing with rhythm is far more
> >revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and it
> >has the full strength and vitality of vernacular culture behind it.
I have to disagree with this. I have not heard one rhythm / beat within the
rap or jungle scene that I have not heard at an open drum jam, 20 odd
hippies with bongos are still doing it better and with more energy, only
they don't need machines. Please restate exactly *what* is new or
revolutionary about it. 25 words or less, or more, GO!
>
> Yes, but it's still "pop" music, with all the baggage that the
> word "pop" carries (ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight, etc.).
>
Can I quote that?
-m
Matt McIrvin
tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote:
> But what the rappers and junglists are doing with rhythm is far more
>revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and it has the
>full strength and vitality of vernacular culture behind it. My mother
>thinks it's all just noise, anyway.
I don't know what a junglist is. But I would like to note that the only
white comedians who have ever managed to parody modern rap correctly are
Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk, and it's because they're the only ones who
ever figured out that the rhythm is not that of jump-rope doggerel.
Crgre Jvyyneq
GMT]
>Bad because of
>the need for corporations to remain non-controversial, and
>for their historic lack of taste when it comes to art and
>music (c.f., LeRoy Nieman, any office lobby, etc.). Try
>getting Pfizer to underwrite your Mass for African AIDS
>victims. No way.
I dunno. Anthony Braxton thanked the Hoffman-LaRoche company for
making one of his records possible. I think the Spice Guild is
going to fork up the change for that one trans-galactic piece he
wrote in the 1970s.
james dolan
| Fuck ART, let's DANCE
| ART DANCE, let's fuck.
DANCE fuck, let's ART..
now where's my ocarina?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Jim Vandewalker
>tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote in
><tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
>
>> BTW. my sister said that we all "rocked out" to my earlier music,
>>presumably during my hip-hop phase, but said that she was
>>disappointed that I had "gone back" to my "experimental, atonal
>>stuff." Now, my more recent stuff is certainly more atonal than my
>>hip-hop stuff, but I wonder if it was just the BPM and the rhythms
>>that struck her as "experimental."
>
>You are lost in a maze of twisty idioms.
>
<left
<
<There is a mixed metaphor here.
<
<examine
<
<You have nothing to examine.
<
<take mixed metaphor
<
<You have a entirely different bag of fish of different colors.
<
<north
<
<You trip over a katty-corner. You are in a maze of twisty idioms.
<
<q
<
<You can't quit now!
<
<why not?
<
<Unable to parse philosophical and/or rhetorical questions
--
Jim the Dead Guy
Dave Boyd
<mmcirvin-301...@ppp0c001.std.com>:
>I don't know what a junglist is. But I would like to note that the only
>white comedians who have ever managed to parody modern rap correctly are
>Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk, and it's because they're the only ones who
>ever figured out that the rhythm is not that of jump-rope doggerel.
Would you count Weird Al Yankovic's "It's All About the Pentiums"? Or is
that just house and not rap or something?
--
Dave Boyd
Joseph Michael Bay
>I dunno. Anthony Braxton thanked the Hoffman-LaRoche company for
>making one of his records possible. I think the Spice Guild is
>going to fork up the change for that one trans-galactic piece he
>wrote in the 1970s.
Girl Power!
The Spice Girls must flow,
Yonderbay
--
o Joe Bay o Cancer Biology o Stanford University o Califr0nia o
Get out of my way, all of you! This is no ASOMA POWAAA!!!
place for loafers. Join me or die. For lucky best wash
Can you do any less? use Mr. Sprakle!
Joseph Michael Bay
>mmci...@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote in
><mmcirvin-301...@ppp0c001.std.com>:
>>I don't know what a junglist is. But I would like to note that the only
>>white comedians who have ever managed to parody modern rap correctly are
>>Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk, and it's because they're the only ones who
>>ever figured out that the rhythm is not that of jump-rope doggerel.
>Would you count Weird Al Yankovic's "It's All About the Pentiums"? Or is
>that just house and not rap or something?
House is mostly sung, simple melody, major key, nice round ratios
like a bugle, or one of those swinging plastic hose things. Also
it has loud piano plunking.
Matt McIrvin
(Dave Boyd) wrote:
>mmci...@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote in
><mmcirvin-301...@ppp0c001.std.com>:
>
>>I don't know what a junglist is. But I would like to note that the only
>>white comedians who have ever managed to parody modern rap correctly are
>>Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk, and it's because they're the only ones who
>>ever figured out that the rhythm is not that of jump-rope doggerel.
>
>Would you count Weird Al Yankovic's "It's All About the Pentiums"? Or is
>that just house and not rap or something?
Never heard it.
Karlo X
<LBDV5.149734$e5.9...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>:
>> tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote in
>> <tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
>>
>>> But what the rappers and junglists are doing with rhythm is far
>>> more
>>>revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and
>>>it has the full strength and vitality of vernacular culture
>>>behind it.
>
>I have to disagree with this. I have not heard one rhythm / beat
>within the rap or jungle scene that I have not heard at an open drum
>jam, 20 odd hippies with bongos are still doing it better and with
>more energy, only they don't need machines. Please restate exactly
>*what* is new or revolutionary about it. 25 words or less, or more,
>GO!
I find a purity, a *precision* in jungle/acid house/drums 'n' bass
that a bunch of drumming hippies lacks. It is the fusion of man
and machine, cyborg rock. Douglas Copeland (_Generation X_,
_Microserfs_) once described New Order as "music made by computers
for cash registers".
I can't top that, no matter how hard I try.
Karlo X
<9085l7$1bj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>:
>kta...@artcrime.com (karlo x) wrote:
>
>| Fuck ART, let's DANCE
>| ART DANCE, let's fuck.
> DANCE fuck, let's ART..
>
>now where's my ocarina?
HEEEEYYY OCARINA!
Michael Straight
> On 30 Nov 2000 16:42:11 -0600, kta...@artcrime.com (Karlo X) wrote:
>
> >tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote in
> ><tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
> >
>
> >> BTW. my sister said that we all "rocked out" to my earlier music,
> >>presumably during my hip-hop phase, but said that she was
> >>disappointed that I had "gone back" to my "experimental, atonal
> >>stuff." Now, my more recent stuff is certainly more atonal than my
> >>hip-hop stuff, but I wonder if it was just the BPM and the rhythms
> >>that struck her as "experimental."
> >
> >You are lost in a maze of twisty idioms.
> >
> <left
> <
> <There is a mixed metaphor here.
> <
> <examine
> <
> <You have nothing to examine.
> <
> <take mixed metaphor
> <
> <You have a entirely different bag of fish of different colors.
You think this is a joke, but...
ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/games/competition2000/inform/adverbum/
Note you need an Inform interpreter to run this game.
ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/interpreters-infocom-zcode/frotz/
ftp://ftp.gmd.de/if-archive/games/inform/how_to_play_these_games
SMTIRCAHIAGEHLT
Glenn Knickerbocker
>(Dave Boyd) wrote:
>>Would you count Weird Al Yankovic's "It's All About the Pentiums"? Or is
>>that just house and not rap or something?
>Never heard it.
Do.
Paradigm Lost
mmci...@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote:
> In article <8FFD73F26boyd...@209.155.56.81>,
boy...@amsworld.com
> (Dave Boyd) wrote:
>
> >mmci...@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote in
> ><mmcirvin-301...@ppp0c001.std.com>:
> >
only
> >>white comedians who have ever managed to parody modern rap
correctly are
> >>Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk, and it's because they're the only ones
who
> >>ever figured out that the rhythm is not that of jump-rope doggerel.
> >
Or is
> >that just house and not rap or something?
>
> Never heard it.
Set to the beat of "It's all about the Benjamins" By Puff Daddy, "The
Pentiums is filled with computer jargon. From his Running With Scissors
album (out now)
It's all about the Pentiums, baby
Uhh, uh-huh, yeah
Uhh, uh-huh, yeah
It's all about the Pentiums, baby
It's all about the Pentiums, baby
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
(Yeah!!)
What y'all wanna do?
Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers
Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers?
9 to 5, chillin' at Hewlett Packard?
Workin' at a desk with a dumb little placard?
Yeah, payin' the bills with my mad programming skills
Defraggin' my hard drive for thrills
I got me a hundred gigabytes of RAM
I never feed trolls and I don't read spam
Installed a T1 line in my house
Always at my PC, double-clickin' on my mizouse
Upgrade my system at least twice a day
I'm strictly plug-and-play, I ain't afraid of Y2K
I'm down with Bill Gates, I call him Money for short
I phone him up at home and I make him do my tech support
It's all about the Pentiums, what?
You gotta be the dumbest newbie I've ever seen
You've got white-out all over your screen
You think your Commodore 64 is really neato
What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?
You're usin' a 286? Don't make me laugh
Your Windows boots up in what, a day and a half?
You could back up your whole hard drive on a floppy diskette
You're the biggest joke on the Internet
Your database is a disaster
You're waxin' your modem, tryin' to make it go faster
Hey fella, I bet you're still livin' in your parents' cellar
Downloadin' pictures of Sarah Michelle Gellar
And postin' "Me too!" like some brain-dead AOL-er
I should do the world a favor and cap you like Old Yeller
You're just about as useless as jpegs to Helen Keller
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
What y'all wanna do?
Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers
Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers?
9 to 5, chillin' at Hewlett Packard?
Uh, uh, loggin' in now
Wanna run wit my crew, hah?
Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?
They call me the king of the spreadsheets
Got'em all printed out on my bedsheets
My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box
You say you've had your desktop for over a week?
Throw that junk away, man, it's an antique!
Your laptop is a month old? Well, that's great
If you could use a nice, heavy paperweight
My digital media is write-protected
Every file inspected, no viruses detected
I beta tested every operating system
Gave props to some, and others? I dissed'em
While your computer's crashin', mine's multitaskin'
It does all my work without me even askin'
Got a flat-screen monitor, 40" wide
I believe that yours says, "Etch-A-Sketch" on the side
In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user
You've got your own newsgroup, alt.total-loser
Your motherboard melts when you try to send a fax
Where'd you get your CPU, in a box of Cracker Jacks?
Play me online? Well, you know that I'll beat you
If I ever meet you I'll control-alt-delete you
What?
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
It's all about the Pentiums!
What y'all wanna do?
Wanna be hackers? Code crackers? Slackers
Wastin' time with all the chatroom yakkers?
9 to 5, chillin' at Hewlett Packard?
What?
--
--Karl
http://members.nbci.com/ParadigmLost <--FAN
David DeLaney
>No...@bestweb.net (Glenn Knickerbocker) wrote:
>>>Never heard it.
>>
>>Do.
Di
>Re
Ri
>Mi
>Fa
Fi
>Sol
Si
[NOT SIL]
>La
Li
>Ti
>
>>Do.
Dave "not making this up" DeLaney
Karlo X
<IDiW5.268$x3.3842@uchinews>:
>The moving finger of David DeLaney wrote <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com:
>>Poot Rootbeer <po...@dork.com> wrote:
>>>No...@bestweb.net (Glenn Knickerbocker) wrote:
>>>>Do.
>>
>>Di
>
>Ut
>
>>>Re
>>
>>Ri
>
>Re
>
>>>Mi
>
>Mi
>
>>>Fa
>>
>>Fi
>>
>
>Ut/Fa
>
>>>Sol
>>
>>Si
>
>Re/Sol
>
>>>La
>>
>>Li
>
>Mi/La
>
>>>Ti
>
>Fa
"Fa loves Pa". -- a dolphin
Now there's a "vi vs. emacs" war in the making: Fixed vs. Movable
"do".
k., drunken solfege master.
--
"Ut?" - Guido D'Arezzo
Plorkwort
>Poot Rootbeer <po...@dork.com> wrote:
>>No...@bestweb.net (Glenn Knickerbocker) wrote:
>>>Do.
>
>Di
Ut
>>Re
>
>Ri
Re
>>Mi
Mi
>>Fa
>
>Fi
>
Ut/Fa
>>Sol
>
>Si
Re/Sol
>>La
>
>Li
Mi/La
>>Ti
Fa
Plorkwort
--
Valentine: Is there anything in it? That we are all doomed? Oh, yes, it's
called the second law of thermodynamics. Hannah: Was it known about?
Valentine: By poets and lunatics from time immemorial.
--Tom Stoppard, _Arcadia_
Plorkwort
>"Fa loves Pa". -- a dolphin
"URMFSL!" - John Windet, Sternhold & Hopkins Psalter, 1562
"Vall!" - various Teletubbies
Nick Bensema
Plorkwort <aswe...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>The moving finger of David DeLaney wrote <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com:
>>Poot Rootbeer <po...@dork.com> wrote:
>>>No...@bestweb.net (Glenn Knickerbocker) wrote:
>>>>Do.
>>
>>Di
>
>Ut
>
>>>Re
>>
>>Ri
>
>Re
>
>>>Mi
>
>Mi
>
>>>Fa
>>
>>Fi
>>
>
>Ut/Fa
>
>>>Sol
>>
>>Si
>
>Re/Sol
>
>>>La
>>
>>Li
>
>Mi/La
>
>>>Ti
>
>Fa
BURMA SHAVE
--
Nick Bensema <ni...@io.com> ICQ#2135445
==== ======= ==============
CREDIT 0 THY GAME IS OVER NO CARRIER
Dag Right-square-bracket-gren
> tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote in
> <tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
>>revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and it
>>has the full strength and vitality of vernacular culture behind it.
> Yes, but it's still "pop" music, with all the baggage that the
> word "pop" carries (ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight, etc.).
I only recently learned that pop music does not need to be mainstream
music. That was not something I had expected to find. (See: Saint
Etienne).
But that's not my point. My point is that, while it might be more true for
rap music, I don't think you can call jungle music "pop". Some of it might
be, but generalising like that is quite obviously wrong.
> It's DANCE music, and as such it has more to do with sex than art.
That's mostly true, though. Although not completely. I wouldn't call
Goldie's "Mother" dance music. It's over 60 minutes long, and contains
quite a bit of classical music, but it's still jungle.
--
Dag Agren <> d...@c3.cx <> http://www.abo.fi/~dagren/ <> Legalize oregano
"Napster is such a Hippie idea -- an electronic commune.
Cellphones and portable MP3 players are the bongs and
lovebeads of the new millenium." - E Teflon Piano
Dag Right-square-bracket-gren
> mmci...@world.std.com (Matt McIrvin) wrote in
> <mmcirvin-301...@ppp0c001.std.com>:
>>I don't know what a junglist is. But I would like to note that the only
>>white comedians who have ever managed to parody modern rap correctly are
>>Dave Cross and Bob Odenkirk, and it's because they're the only ones who
>>ever figured out that the rhythm is not that of jump-rope doggerel.
> Would you count Weird Al Yankovic's "It's All About the Pentiums"? Or is
> that just house and not rap or something?
Well, that's a parody of a rap cover of a rock song.
Poot Rootbeer
>Now there's a "vi vs. emacs" war in the making: Fixed vs. Movable
>"do".
I think there are uses for both -- with hexachord-based musics, movable
'do' is the only one that makes sense, but with later diatonic musics
with more complex modulations it can be easier to use fixed 'do'.
In my sight-singing classes we avoided the issue entirely by singing
neutral syllables for all pitches, or the numbers of the scale degrees,
which really makes you think about how stupid it is that "seven" has
two syllables when all the other single-digit numbers are also single-
syllable words, at least in English.
Unfortunately, that leaves me in a difficult position when I try to
improvise choral passages along with my friends who went to a Real
Choir College; they all know their solfege hand signals and can
communicate with each other using them, and all I can do is sit on a
dominant pedal and give them the solfege signal for "up yours".
-Poot
Carlos May
: In alt.religion.kibology Karlo X <kta...@artcrime.com> wrote:
:> tagu...@nr.infi.net (The Pleasing Consistency) wrote:
:>> But what the rappers and junglists are doing with rhythm is far more
:>>has the full strength and vitality of vernacular culture behind it.
:> Yes, but it's still "pop" music, with all the baggage that the
:> word "pop" carries (ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight, etc.).
: I only recently learned that pop music does not need to be mainstream
: music. That was not something I had expected to find. (See: Saint
: Etienne).
So, "pop" is no longer short for "popular", but is now some type of
stylistic designation?
Like "midi"?
: But that's not my point. My point is that, while it might be more true for
: rap music, I don't think you can call jungle music "pop".
Well, some of Duke Ellington's jungle numbers were pretty popular.
:> It's DANCE music, and as such it has more to do with sex than art.
As a friend said at the end of his hitherto rather dry radio
documentary about pre-WWI USAian dance music, "...as long as people
want to get laid, there will be dance music."
Gee, maybe we could name the musical styles after slang terms
for sexual intercourse?
-- Froggy
* Fro...@neosoft.com ** "The Information Super-Frog" [dibs] *
"Moral disaster is coming to hundreds of young girls through the
pathological, sex-exciting music of jazz orchestras." -- The Illinois
Vigilance Association * http://www.angelfire.com/la/carlosmay/
Michael
> >> <tagutcow-301...@a010-0584.gnb2.splitrock.net>:
> >>
> >>> more
> >>>revolutionary than what the Modernists ever did with pitch, and
> >>>it has the full strength and vitality of vernacular culture
> >>>behind it.
> >
> >I have to disagree with this. I have not heard one rhythm / beat
> >within the rap or jungle scene that I have not heard at an open drum
> >jam, 20 odd hippies with bongos are still doing it better and with
> >more energy, only they don't need machines. Please restate exactly
> >*what* is new or revolutionary about it. 25 words or less, or more,
> >GO!
>
> that a bunch of drumming hippies lacks. It is the fusion of man
> and machine, cyborg rock. Douglas Copeland (_Generation X_,
> _Microserfs_) once described New Order as "music made by computers
> for cash registers".
>
> I can't top that, no matter how hard I try.
Good point, they do it differently and rather well, never said they didn't,
just saying that there's nothing so revolutionary about it.
-m
Joseph Michael Bay
>The moving finger of Karlo X wrote <kta...@artcrime.com:
>>"Fa loves Pa". -- a dolphin
>>"Ut?" - Guido D'Arezzo
>"URMFSL!" - John Windet, Sternhold & Hopkins Psalter, 1562
>"Vall!" - various Teletubbies
"PARP!"
james dolan
|Gee, maybe we could name the musical styles after slang terms
|for sexual intercourse?
organum.
skiffle.
funk.
Dag Right-square-bracket-gren
> According to Dag Right-square-bracket-gren <d...@c3.cx>:
> : In alt.religion.kibology Karlo X <kta...@artcrime.com> wrote:
> :> Yes, but it's still "pop" music, with all the baggage that the
> :> word "pop" carries (ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight, etc.).
> : I only recently learned that pop music does not need to be mainstream
> : music. That was not something I had expected to find. (See: Saint
> : Etienne).
> So, "pop" is no longer short for "popular", but is now some type of
> stylistic designation?
So it would seem. Funny, that. But I must say that "pop" is the only good
name I can find for the music Saint Etienne makes, and they are not in any
way "popular", which is sort of unfair.
> Like "midi"?
I wonder what happened to "techno". Back in 1994, I knew what "techno"
meant. Nowadays, it's much less clear.
Jim Vandewalker
wrote:
>aswe...@midway.uchicago.edu (Plorkwort) writes:
>
>>The moving finger of Karlo X wrote <kta...@artcrime.com:
>>>"Fa loves Pa". -- a dolphin
>>>"Ut?" - Guido D'Arezzo
>
>>"URMFSL!" - John Windet, Sternhold & Hopkins Psalter, 1562
>>"Vall!" - various Teletubbies
>
>"PARP!"
>
The hand-held thaumeters don't make that noise anymore.
Matt McIrvin
<6E4162EDA8451758.B442B8DA...@lp.airnews.net>,
Carlos May <fro...@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>Gee, maybe we could name the musical styles after slang terms
>for sexual intercourse?
Hmmm, this got me thinking about which one will be next.
Will it be a raw one, more like "jazz," or a more euphemistic, cute one
like "rock and roll"?
Or-- here's the scary alternative-- an antiseptic medical-type term?
Coitus: The musical craze that's driving the kids wild!
Karlo X
<3a2ab123$0$1...@news.impulse.net>:
>I only recently learned that pop music does not need to be
>mainstream music. That was not something I had expected to find.
>(See: Saint Etienne).
Whether a particular "pop" style or artist is mainstream or
popular isn't important: it's the aspiration of every artist
to be popular, regardless of what the mainstream consensus
considers to be popular. Nobody wants to languish in obscurity.
>But that's not my point. My point is that, while it might be more
>true for rap music, I don't think you can call jungle music "pop".
>Some of it might be, but generalising like that is quite obviously
>wrong.
Well, applying those three characteristics I mentioned earlier
(pop is ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight) to jungle/acid is
valid and consistent. Jungle/acid is here-and-now music, composed
in the studio, and possessing a shelf-life of no more than eight
weeks.
"Lightweight" is the most subjective criteria, and I'd be the
first to admit that there are many pop songs that aren't light-
weight at all. But in those cases the emotional payload is
carried by the lyrics, something jungle/acid isn't known for.
>> It's DANCE music, and as such it has more to do with sex than art.
>
>That's mostly true, though. Although not completely. I wouldn't call
>Goldie's "Mother" dance music. It's over 60 minutes long, and
>contains quite a bit of classical music, but it's still jungle.
Goldie needed to stretch out, but j/a style didn't serve him well.
And instead of going forward towards the outer limits of j/a and
meeting the Minimalists on the other side, he produced a pretentious
pastiche. It might be jungle, but is it good jungle?
Noah A Christis
<6E4162EDA8451758.B442B8DA...@lp.airnews.net>,
Carlos May <fro...@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
> Gee, maybe we could name the musical styles after slang terms
> for sexual intercourse?
I'm crying so hard right now. About to sign myself up for Chinese
water torture this weekend. I'd like to pubically apologize to
everyone, especially anyone who has a radio. Good night.
Kay Dekker
> carlos may <fro...@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
> |Gee, maybe we could name the musical styles after slang terms
> |for sexual intercourse?
Anyone up for a bit of Ars Nova, nudge nudge,
wink wink?
Kay
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Dag Right-square-bracket-gren
>>I only recently learned that pop music does not need to be
>>mainstream music. That was not something I had expected to find.
>>(See: Saint Etienne).
> Whether a particular "pop" style or artist is mainstream or
> popular isn't important: it's the aspiration of every artist
> to be popular, regardless of what the mainstream consensus
> considers to be popular. Nobody wants to languish in obscurity.
Maybe not total obscurity, but I don't think everyone wants to be a star.
It seems to me that a little blit of recognition is all some people want.
At least that's the only way I could explain the Finnish electronica
scene.
Also, if everyone wants to be famous, what has that got to do with pop
music?
>>But that's not my point. My point is that, while it might be more
>>true for rap music, I don't think you can call jungle music "pop".
>>Some of it might be, but generalising like that is quite obviously
>>wrong.
> Well, applying those three characteristics I mentioned earlier
> (pop is ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight) to jungle/acid is
> valid and consistent. Jungle/acid is here-and-now music, composed
> in the studio, and possessing a shelf-life of no more than eight
> weeks.
True, mostly, but of course you've got your implication arrows pointing
in all sorts of wrong directions in that argument.
> "Lightweight" is the most subjective criteria, and I'd be the
> first to admit that there are many pop songs that aren't light-
> weight at all. But in those cases the emotional payload is
> carried by the lyrics, something jungle/acid isn't known for.
It might not be known for it, but that doesn't exclude it. I'd cite
Breakbeat Era as a counterexample.
Stop overgeneralising already. Every musical style is at least 90% junk
anyway.
>>That's mostly true, though. Although not completely. I wouldn't call
>>Goldie's "Mother" dance music. It's over 60 minutes long, and
>>contains quite a bit of classical music, but it's still jungle.
> Goldie needed to stretch out, but j/a style didn't serve him well.
> And instead of going forward towards the outer limits of j/a and
> meeting the Minimalists on the other side, he produced a pretentious
> pastiche. It might be jungle, but is it good jungle?
Oh, I'm not saying anything about the value of his work, I'm just using it
as another counter-example. Seems to me he never produced anything quite
as good as "Inner City Life" later on.
Glenn Knickerbocker
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>Anyone up for a bit of Ars Nova, nudge nudge,
>wink wink?
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Karlo X
>Also, if everyone wants to be famous, what has that got to do with
>pop music?
It has to do with adolescence, when most musicians and songwriters
decide to be musicians and songwriters. Playing to a niche market
is too sophisticated a concept for most teenagers to grasp. Okay,
some get it, most don't. The ones that do end up spinning Finnish
House, or writing delicate Eliot Smith-like laments, or grow dreads
and drum in a Phish-like jam band. The ones that don't spawn an
infinite number of Limp Bizkits. We have an infinite number
of Limp Bizkits. Fetch my gun, boy.
>> Well, applying those three characteristics I mentioned earlier
>> (pop is ephemeral, spontaneous, lightweight) to jungle/acid is
>> valid and consistent. Jungle/acid is here-and-now music, composed
>> in the studio, and possessing a shelf-life of no more than eight
>> weeks.
>
>True, mostly, but of course you've got your implication arrows
>pointing in all sorts of wrong directions in that argument.
I'm implying nothing. It is what it is. Spontaneous, ephemeral,
and...
>> "Lightweight" is the most subjective criteria, and I'd be the
>> first to admit that there are many pop songs that aren't light-
>> weight at all. But in those cases the emotional payload is
>> carried by the lyrics, something jungle/acid isn't known for.
>
>It might not be known for it, but that doesn't exclude it. I'd cite
>Breakbeat Era as a counterexample.
Billy Squier riffs made it heavyweight? Who knew?
>Stop overgeneralising already. Every musical style is at least 90%
>junk anyway.
90% of everything is shit.
Dag Right-square-bracket-gren
> It has to do with adolescence, when most musicians and songwriters
> decide to be musicians and songwriters. Playing to a niche market
> is too sophisticated a concept for most teenagers to grasp. Okay,
> some get it, most don't. The ones that do end up spinning Finnish
> House, or writing delicate Eliot Smith-like laments, or grow dreads
> and drum in a Phish-like jam band. The ones that don't spawn an
> infinite number of Limp Bizkits. We have an infinite number
> of Limp Bizkits. Fetch my gun, boy.
And over here we have Bomfunk MCs, who routinely rip off the music, videos
and even fukken song names of real artists. I don't know which way to
point that gun.
>>Stop overgeneralising already. Every musical style is at least 90%
>>junk anyway.
> 90% of everything is shit.
Exactly. Which is why I try to argue based on the 10%.
Beable van Polasm
> d...@c3.cx (Dag Right-square-bracket-gren) wrote in
> <3a2cf316$0$1...@news.impulse.net>:
> >Also, if everyone wants to be famous, what has that got to do with
> >pop music?
>
> It has to do with adolescence, when most musicians and songwriters
> decide to be musicians and songwriters. Playing to a niche market
> is too sophisticated a concept for most teenagers to grasp. Okay,
> some get it, most don't. The ones that do end up spinning Finnish
> House, or writing delicate Eliot Smith-like laments, or grow dreads
> and drum in a Phish-like jam band. The ones that don't spawn an
> infinite number of Limp Bizkits. We have an infinite number
> of Limp Bizkits. Fetch my gun, boy.
Yeah but we don't have enough Backstreet Boys! Certainly not
enough to risk them all in one plane!
http://members.nbci.com/_______/backstreet.html
Sign the petition! Save the Backstreet Boys!
> >Stop overgeneralising already. Every musical style is at least 90%
> >junk anyway.
>
> 90% of everything is shit.
Except for the Backstreet Boys.
cheers
Beable van Polasm
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Matt McIrvin
wrote:
>90% of everything is shit.
Even 90% of shit is shit!
What's the other 10%? Man was not meant to know!
Schwa Love
>In article <9002F2F...@63.209.170.209>, kta...@artcrime.com (Karlo X)
>wrote:
>
>
>What's the other 10%? Man was not meant to know!
But if 90% of shit is shit, wouldn't only 90% of the shit's shit be shit too?
And so on? Would it not recurse until shit was actually not shit at all, but
was actually that 10% (then 19%, then 26.1%, etc.) which is that which man was
not meant to know?
-- Schwa ---
Why is it that 98% of all americans think they're smarter than 98% of all
americans?