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John F. Winston

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May 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/10/00
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Subject: Greer Will Be On Art Bell Show. May 10, 2000.

Here is something that just came in.

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From: "A.J. Craddock" <webm...@cseti.org>
Subject: CSETI's Dr. Steven Greer on "new" Art Bell show, Wed. May
10th CSETI's founder and International Director Dr. Steven Greer will
be a guest on the "new" Art Bell radio show hosted by Mike Siegel on
Wednesday May 10th.
The show can also be received live via Streaming Audio from the
Art Bell Website. http://www.artbell.com
Topics that Dr. Greer will be discussing during this two hour show
will include latest events with regard to Extraterrestrial Contact,
the status of the Free Energy Device previously discussed on the
show, plus potential future events with respect to the development
and introduction of Free Energy.
Dr. Greer's best-selling book, "Extraterrestrial Contact" - the
Evidence and Implications, can be ordered from the Website.
http://www.drgreer.com
Regards
Tony Craddock
Web Administrator
CSETI
<http://www.cseti.org>http://www.cseti.org

John Winston. john...@mlode.com
The show will start in 9 minutes.

John F. Winston

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May 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/12/00
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Subject: Scratch The Sun Cruisers. May 11, 2000.

In the past I have mentioned two really big Sun Cruisers that
were close to our Sun. I told Jack about it and here is what he
did. This is a letter that Jack wrote to another person and
mysteriously it was also sent to me.

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From: Jack

Subject: ETs no longer have designs on earth?
Dear Ja-a: This is an excerpt of a long letter from John Winston, dated
May 4th. I sensed some validity to this report and asked permission to
destroy these plasma carriers, which I apparently did, by slicing them
into pieces and injecting them into the sun near the North Pole. I know
I concentrated on destroying one, but I was told that during sleep I
sliced up the second. When tuning in on this later, I sensed extreme
rage and frustration, indicating some ETs were extremely upset over my
action.
Those anomalous objects, (termed Sun cruisers) and there are now at
least two, are in fact PLASMA carriers, of gigantic proportions, said
to be in excess of three thousand miles across!
These carriers will initiate an artificial disturbance within the
sun, causing the sun to eject two massive CME's. (Coronal mass
ejections) The trajectory of these CME's will be directed at earth,
at which time all satellites will be placed out of commission, as will
the entire power grids.
It is at this point, we too will enter into the war with the
Draconians.

Question 1: is there anything to this? and did I destroy these
3,000-mile across plasma carriers? And were they a threat to humanity?
You confirmed that I recently incinerated a Draco cruiser and a Gray
ship in its shadow, which I understand reduced their interest in
establishing a base on earth for further expansion. Also I incinerated
an empty transport ship as a demonstration of what could be done to a
manned cruiser if it endangered humanity. Your guides said it wasn't
the same group but they, too had designs on the earth.

Question 2: In view of the decided effect this has had in discouraging
two ET races from interference with our ascension, could these actions
be deemed "Justified"? Or did I go too far?
Then within the last few days, I have been working with the Grays in
giving them the spark of Divine Awareness to allow them to see the role
they were supposed to play in the Divine Plan, followed by the gift of
Unconditional Love. As a result, I believe the UL gift has given them
the Divine energy that has provided them souls and they are on
their way to ascension with us. S and I tried to cover all Grays in
all dimensions in our work. At one time S said she could sense a
feeling of deep sorrow and a realization that the agendas their race had
been pursuing for aeons were all misguided.
Question 3: What effect has these activities of ours had in discouraging
ETs from interfering with our ascension? And are the Grays a different
race now and not interested in producing gray-human hybrids?
I was visited by an ET group in their "thought form" bodies, not astral,
from what I believe to be the Dark and Light Universe (DAL), who wanted
to take the gift of Divine Awareness and Unconditional Love back to
their reality. I understood that this group represented more than 20
billion of their race.
Question 4: Was this effective, where did they come from, and was this
number correct?
I understand Ra-di has been canned, and by a unanimous decision the
directors decided to award me the full amount promised.

Question 5: True? or wishful thinking?
Here's a Biggie: I have been told that my UFO-1 space house will be on
display at the Experimental Aircraft Association annual convention in
Oshkosh the latter part of July. I was worrying about having to
re-learn radio communication in order to be vectored into a landing
area, and got a gentle tap on the side if my head, followed by the
message that they would take care of all of that, and I was going to be
just a passenger.

Question 6: How much truth is there to this?
By the way, I just realized that Freckles has telepathic communication
abilities, and she carried on a long two-way conversation with my friend
R-th in Hawaii a couple of nights ago when she called. And Freckles
always tells the truth.
More $$ in the mail, and thanks for your and your guides' efforts.
I'll bet your other clients don't have such interesting questions for
your guides to answer.
Love and Light,
Jack O'B

JW I have already thanked Jack personally but I would like to thank
also you people who help me out with certain problem areas by using
your positive thoughts.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: News From A Person In The Ashtar Command. Part 2 of 2.
May 12, 2000.

This is the last part of the gentleman who claims to be in the
Ashtar Command.

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Our black jacket band has heard of these, plenty of strange objects
around, that the steelworkers see coming back home early morning. Sky
always red, night and day, iron dust, the French Pittsburgh, but the
workers say "flying saucers". They have seen also a big cigar in the
sky near the border from Luxemburg.
It has happened. The guys from our band have called me "Come on,
tonight, it will come at eleven, every night". Red sky night, Vulcan
fires exploding over giant steel factories. Iron smell. But it is dark
where we are, a few hundred yards from the Belgium border. One of the
guys is crazy about UFOs, has build radio receivers. He has leukemia,
but is full of hope to the new. He says, you are going to hear the
sound first, big slow nice buzzing, and it will be right there, over
the forest, just over the border, sharp at eleven. Now it's all around
like a million of bees, and suddenly it's there, up in the air, a big
orange glowing object, beautiful, awesome.
See my own photos of this Starship (and video) at :
www.channeling.net/LyurAC
Mouth wide open, we feel a tremendous energy from it, the Earth
seems to reverberate, they have all the iron mines under, tunnels that
makes a huge echo instrument for the object to play with. All TVs shot
down in the neighborhood. The object suddenly disappear, and reappear
a few hundreds yards to the left. Mighty power, out of this world. This
is a big shock. Big shot. Well done, guys. Every night the ship will
come, staying for more than one hour, close to the house of my
parents. They would never to come to see it, of course.
After one week of that treatment, they got it right. I rush straight
into the bookstore and pick-up a sci-fi book. Title: "My name is All"
I have moved to Paris, on my own now, free, finally. Everything is
speeding up, I have connected with spiritual and psychic group's
precursors of the N-w Age. I meet hundreds of people in the crazy
city. I am already writing in UFO newsletters and mags, telling the
story, and writing theories about UFO routes, magnetic lines with
invisible beacons. The other UFO researchers still believe that the
ships follow fault lines to get "fuel". Stupid humans.
Back in Lorraine for the summer. This is a new house now, in the
country. Almost every night, they would come; I have a UFO detector,
buzzing all the time. Grandfather is there, watching with my brothers
and me. The parents are not interested. We see projectors from the
sky, no noise, big flashes.
Luminous objects on the hill, staying all night sending like signals.
Grandfather say, it is like Morse signals, but different. He
understands what that might be. With my brothers we discover some
burned traces on the ground.
This is the eighties now. Much experiences, many psychic ones, many
awakenings, many sightings of spaceships. They seems to follow me
whenever I go. A story has broken wild. A young guy has been seen
boarding a flying saucer near Paris, is gone. All Europe is waiting
his return for one week, all TV channels and radios on the scoop. One
week later the guy reappear in the same field, in a ball of Light.
The best known French UFO writer, Jimmy Guieu, takes the story. A
book is published, is in all stores. They have performed hypnosis;
there is channeling and everything. They say they are from Orion,
they will land if people are ready, on august 15, 1980, a 'marial'
date (apparitions of Mary). I start to have thought-transfer
flooding my mind. I write to Jimmy that they would come but stay
invisible, and will not land, forget it.
On the day I am on the field. There are hundreds of cars from all
over Europe and thousand of people, waiting the flying saucers to
land, right here near Paris. They do nothing, just wait cameras
ready. I have bought infrared film for my camera, remember they
say they would be invisible. I don't care about the Orion story,
seems too corny, but I know that my friends will come, this is a
good test for Western Europe, not to be missed.
'My' ship will be there. During the night I would take these
infrared pictures, on tripod, while I could see nothing with the eyes.
Somehow they would operate a synch operation with my finger on the
trigger, I do not know. but a few days later, after processing, the
ship will be there on the photos. I have been guided to go near the
only group trying to do something, some kind of yoga, and the ship,
still invisible, for me included, would come closer to the ground,
above that group. At the end of the night the Starship will finally
go, but just before, I would get a very strong thought transfer.
"Humans are not ready yet for mass landings, they do not know how to
get the correct frequency to be in tune with us. Now you go public
and you teach them. Now we will be in touch with you all the time."
Back home, I would fall in a kind of comatic sleep for 3 days and
3 nights, with strong sensations on the back of my neck. They would
do something in my brain; I would awake suddenly sometimes because
of a strong voice in my head, telling me something, and then falling
back straight on the bed. I am 33 years old; they have prepared me
for 14 years.
I would bring the series of pictures to infrared experts from the
European space missions. At the end of examination, they would tell
me, we haven't seen you, that thing does not exist, but off the
record, it is an object of 150 feet diameter.
Because of the photos, Jimmy would put the story and address on
national magazines, and within a few days, I would be very public. At
once my phone would be taped. I knew it because I was leader in a
trade union, and the comrades at the Phone Company would tell me.
But they could do nothing to remove the system. In the bunch of
letters, one woman is telling me to go to see her, Danielle Leclerc
(Amassia). The first thing I could only notice when entering her home
is the original painting of Awaana. See picture of Awaana and other
members of the Ashtar Command in my page Pictures at:
www.channeling.net/LyurAC
She is my Captain, as nice as Captain Janeway, and very beautiful.
Amassia has represented the energy pouring out of the members of the
Command, sometimes in a very graphic way. So Awaana has normal
shining golden hair.
She is in command of the Starship "Light", dedicated to beam Christed
energies on Earth and to awaken the Starfleet personnel on the ground.
That color golden represent that energy, the plan of Sananda was often
called "Golden Light Program" by contactees in our European countries.
"That's her, that's my captain". "I know, the painting is yours" For
two years, Amassia would be my instructor, to finish my preparation
for the mission. Through many adventures, she would always point out
that her strongest wish was that the pictures of the Command would go
to be known largely in the USA. I would not be with her for too long,
because she too, would transit soon, at the age of 42. Finally, today
I carry out her wish.

To be continued.....

Note from Cdr. Lyur: I would like to point out something that my
instructor Amassia taught me. In order to be fully operational,
credible to your own eyes and the eyes of others, to be sure that you
are not running on your imagination, or mental body alone, you have
to have positive personal proofs for you and to show to people. Saying
your are a Space commander or channel or whatever is not good enough.
That is NOT a proof that you really are. So Danielle/Amassia, for
herself, was always asking from "The Brothers" positive proofs,
concrete signs. She will request that very strongly - I have seen her!
- before every new step in the mission. I have done the very same,
and, like her, I would never take the next step until I have the sign
or the proof, the OK from above, very concrete things like sightings
with other witnesses, photos, videos, or tangible events. That way I
am sure I am on the correct path, and in true connection with the
Ashtar Command.
Unfortunately, many Ne- Agers, channels, and even "Ashtar leaders"
don't do that. This is very unfortunate, and I feel the very reason
why this is quite messy and foggy in that milieu today, with bad
reputation in the USA about the Ashtar Command. (except for Native
American channels or contactees, always in the safety of traditional
ceremonies and guardians) I have spoken. Captn' out.

Cdr.Lyur/Jean Michel is a French Journalist/Reporter/Writer and
Speaker in International UFO Congresses all over the world. Now in
the USA he will speak at Star Knowledge Conference in Atlanta in
July 2000. He is available in the US for lectures/workshops. Please
contact him at :
cptn...@hotmail.com Visit his website at : www.channeling.net/LyurAC
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Part 2 of 2.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

Peter Willard

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What was John F. Winston thinking circa Sat, 13 May 2000 16:22:43 GMT???:

>"Humans are not ready yet for mass landings,..."

I think mass landings would just sort of blend into the background of
nonsense after 72 hours. The reason I followed up here was to say that the
guy that took over from Art Bell is a very table fount of wisdom.

--
Peter Willard http://www.drizzle.com/~petew
``The fact that inhumanity is coupled with so much stupidity makes one feel
almost optimistic in a dangerous way.'' -Erich Hecke

John F. Winston

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Subject: Who Were You In A Previous Life? May 14, 2000.

Actually a person wanted to know who I thought I was in a previous
life. I figure that if I can tell everyone how I found this out then
all of you can find out who you were in previous lives because it
is my opinion that nearly everyone has lived before unless you are
some sort of savage just getting started being a human. I have
information on more than 14 of my past lives.

When I first was studying about past lives I started just thinking
about it and a certain word came into my mind and that was Huguenot. I
thought it meant a certain thing but when I talked with another
person I was shown that my definition was wrong. A Huguenot is
actually a Protestant of France during the religious dissensions of the
16th and 17th centuries.
So I was told that I was a Huguenot and a lot of them got killed for
believing what they did. So that is the first way that you can find
out your past live and that is to just sit down and concentrate on
the question, "What did I do in a past life"? Now here is some
technical information about reinc-nation which I prefer to called the
Wheel Of Rebirth.

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From: J L
Subject: Jeff Rense Weekly E-News 5-7-00
* GUEST CORNER *
"Principle of Rhythm and Reinc-rnation"
by Paul Von Ward
People around the globe report personal memories that seem to
derive from a specific person who lived before. In many cases the
facts of the other life are verified by independent researchers.
Some are reported by children too young, or otherwise unlikely,
to have the facts from a contemporary source.(1) Others come from
therapy(2) or hypnotic regression sessions. Can such ad hoc
stories be taken as validation of the theory of reincarnation?
Reinca-nation has been part of human cosmology prior to the
poorly understood transition from prehistory to history between
6,000 and 10,000 BP.(3) In reported history, it appeared in the
earliest versions of the Hindu Vedas. The post-Neolithic Middle
Eastern societies, including Persia, Mesopotamia, Egypt, and
Greece, held it to be a truth. With institutionalization of
Supernaturalism (belief in a separate divine realm), the orthodox
texts of Judaism, Islam and Chr-stianity now only contain
allusions to the idea. The Early Chri-tian belief in
re-ncarnation was excised from the 4th century B-ble approved by
the Nicene Council. However, Gnostic, Kabbalist, theosophical and
new thought traditions, as well as one out of four Americans,
still believe in some sort of reincarn-tion.
[This subject matter relates to the Principle of Rhythm, one of
seven Hermetic Principles.(4) They comprise a basis for
scientific study allegedly given to humans by an advanced being
(AB) more than 5,000 BP. He is known by various names, including
Thoth or Seth in Egypt, Manu in India, Hermes in Greece, and the
Serpent of the Adam and Eve story in Gen-sis. They account for
aspects of the universe's complexity not explained by the four
laws of modern physics.]

The Principle of Rhythm

That principle governs cycles at all levels of the universe,
asserting that all things survive, but undergo rhythmic phase
shifts. One example is that energy cannot be destroyed, only
converted from one form or the other. Recognized in Einstein's
formula E=mc2, the principle manifests continual reciprocation
from one form to the other. A wave changes to a particle, the
particle back to a wave. Night changes into day and back again.
Black holes eat visible matter; visible matter comes from black
holes. "Virtual reality" is where ordinary matter lives in the
factional second when it is not visible in this realm.
Plant life forms lie dormant in seeds or roots (composed of
bions, the smallest repositories of organic life that can survive
almost any conditions) during Winter and burst forth in all their
glory in Spring. In the Summer and Fall they pass through several
different epicycles of their annual cycle. All animals do the
same, arising from seeds (sperm and egg) that are themselves
composed of cells that have their own cycles, with components of
particles that flash in and out of existence. All according to
the Principle of Rhythm. Does a human personality live by the
same principle?

Multidimensionality

The above examples come from the physical, five-sense realm. But
more and more people from all walks of life, artists and
business people as well as scientists, now accept some model of a
multidimensional universe. In my SOLARIAN LEGACY, I subsumed
various dimensions into a three-faceted model.(5) The model
posits, in addition to the physical realm, a universal field of
subtle energy and one of consciousness.
If consciousness is as indestructible as the energy of E=mc2 - it
appears from current research to be predominant among matter and
energy-then it seems that it would always exist, changing form
according to some as yet unknown cycle. In other words,
consciousness would have its winters as well as its summers. It
would have states corresponding to organic life and death.
To consider what this means for r-incarnation requires that we
accept the evidence that physical life is animated by
consciousness and a subtle energy or life force. We must also
accept that when physical death occurs the resident
consciousness/life force is not extinguished, but goes elsewhere.
For evidence one can read any number of books on near-death- and
after-life-experiences, or be closely involved with one making
the transition.
We know when an atom disappears, the subatomic particles of which
it is comprised convert into an energetic wave form. Does
consciousness incarnate undergo a similar transformation? Those
of us who believe that electro-chemical actions of living cells
create consciousness in the first place assume that it just
dissipates when cell activity ceases. But we do not believe that
the cessation of an animal or plant's cell function results in a
reduction in the energy total of the universe. (Remember physics'
Law of Conservation of Energy, formulated by M.V. Lomonosov in
1748.) So why would one assume the disappearance of consciousness
from a dead body means a loss of some percentage of the
consciousness in the universe?

Rei-carnation

If a local consciousness lives on in the field of universal
consciousness, as the physical cell's energy is reabsorbed into
the plenum of space, what happens? Does it lose its character,
like bits of clay added back into the potter's mix? Is its
individual collection of memories lost, reincorporated into the
general consciousness in some holographic manner? Do some or all
personalities remain intact after death and reinc-rnate? We do
not yet have the evidence to assert answers to these questions.
(Buddhism's belief in reabsorption of bits of personalities into
new beings and rebirth of only certain of an individual's
attributes for karmic reasons takes a two-sides-of-the-road
position.)
Application of a classical physics model of the universe to a
dimension of consciousness would suggest that in death all
individuality of conscious experience, and memory of it, would
revert to the undifferentiated consciousness from which it came.
That would mean that at the end each life contributes its unique
perspective into the whole and gives up its separateness. But
what about the evidence for individual personalities having lived
in another lifetime?
For that to be true, some mechanism must permit the holding
together of conscious memories during the "virtual reality" phase
when, like the subatomic particle that momentarily flashes out of
physical existence, a local manifestation of consciousness
(personality) temporarily flashes out of this realm. What level
of force is required to keep an individual's memory pool
concentrated and coherent during the "out phase" so that it
doesn't simply merge with all consciousness? Do only certain
personalities (conscious memories) hold together and re-ncarnate?
If so, how are they different from others?
Some believe past-life cases can be explained by genetic
memories, but that is not consistent with the evidence. Given
that chromosomes merge from the blood lines of both parents and
that well documented cases involve nonsequential gene pools, no
viable chain of genetic transmission can be established for
singular, integrated personality survival.
Two possibilities for person-to-person reinca-nation appear
plausible from the Hermetic perspective. One, certain
personalities have such a strong focus of conscious intent
(morphic field) that their memory fields can survive the state
shift of physical death and still have enough cohesion to inform
a new being. Two, the trauma of transition is so strong for some
that the emotional field (subtle energy body) survives and bonds
with that of a new person.
These two approaches appear compatible with the idea that highly
charged conscious intent is necessary for the development of
archetypes and morphic fields that survive on their own. If this
is true, then reincarnation is selective, typically involving
people on a path of conscious development. We need much more
confirmable research to reveal the nuances of this aspect of
human experience.
----------------------------------------------------
1. Stevenson, Ian. Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation
(University Press of Virginia, Charlottesville, 1999--2nd
Edition, 5th Printing)
2. Woolger, Roger J. Other Lives, Other Selves (Bantam Books,
New York, 1988)
3. The reincarnation of individual personalities may have been a
natural assumption of Early Humans. Naturalist peoples who have
survived modernization (in Australia, Japan, Africa and the
Americas) include some degree of belief in the concept. Given
that such extraordinary ideas are not likely fabricated out of
thin air, Early Humans must have had some experiences on which to
base their beliefs. It is logical to assume that those
experiences were similar to those recorded and published by 20th
century humans.
4. Three Initiates. The Kybalion: A Study of the Hermetic
Philosophy of Ancient Egypt and Greece (The Yogi Publication
Society: Chicago, 1912)
5. Von Ward, Paul. Solarian Legacy: Metascience & A New
Renaissance. (Inner Eye Books, Livermore, CA, 1998)
--------------------------------------------------
(Paul Von Ward is a cosmologist emphasizing the fields of
prehistory, frontier science, and consciousness studies. Visit
his web site www.vonward.com for samples from his work on The
Emerging New Human Story. His book SOLARIAN LEGACY: Metascience
and a New Renaissance is available in bookstores or on
www.Amazon.com. A discount is offered on line at
www.Medicinebear.com.)
Paul Von Ward Web Site
http://www.vonward.com
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John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: Latest From Jack About The Sun Cruisers. May 15, 2000.

Here is news from Jack about him taking care of those Sun Cruisers
that were near the Sun.

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From: Jack
Subject: Sun Cruisers, etc
Dear John:
Here is J-ya (Al-rah) An-rews' answer to the destruction of these
cruisers and other subjects listed in my recent letter to her.
Jack

....

Hi Jack;
Now, you wanted to know who it was that disintegrated the ship
behind the moon. One group of Beings I work with I refer to as the
Golden One's. That is because, logically, I see them as being golden
in color. They are Keepers of the Divine Plan. Whenever, either by
our exercising an excessive amount of free will in the wrong
direction, or some other race of beings tries to interfere with the
Divine Plan, they will step in and take whatever measures are needed.
They prefer not to destroy lifeforms, this is why they removed the
occupants and sent them back to their home planet before disintegrating
the ship. They value all lifeforms...but sometimes a race of beings
gets too far off their path, then they take measures to guide them
back onto the path, or as last resort, return them to Source. That is
rarely necessary...usually just returning them to their home planet,
or "showing" them something to give them enlightenment is sufficient.
Re: the info you rec'd from John Winston. You did destroy the sun
cruisers....they had not set out to deliberately "create a disturbance
in our sun"...but this might have happened simply by getting too
close to the sun. The sun is in a relatively "unbalanced" state right
now due to the many energy changes, and is more succeptable to "upset"
if these large cruisers...whose main job is to monitor the sun's
activity....gets too close. These ships run on plasma. No, if the
CME had occurred, this would not have set off a "war with the
Draconians".
Re: grays and Divine Awareness, UL. Yes the negative grays are now
willing to accept UL, and realize (most of them at least) that they
have been misguided. They are not a "different race" now, but no
longer wish to experiment on human/gray hybrids.
Re: DAL beings. Yes, they were asking to be given Divine Awareness
and UL to take back to their reality. They are from a galaxy in the
15th dimension. Their planet is similar in size to earth, and the
number of beings is approximately 20 billion. You were reasonably
effective.
Re: UFO-1 space house: This is a definite possibility. You will
be "piloted" by Others, however. This happening will be determined
by whether the one's putting on the show are open-minded enough to
allow something in which is called "UFO".
I hope this answers your questions. I did them all in "one fell
swoop" this time!! Well, if you're on a roll, go for it. My son and
his friend are out here this weekend, up at the Wesak festival at
Mt. Shasta. They called this morning and said that during the big
meditation last night the Ashtar Command ship (I confirmed this for
them) appeared aver the mountain in a beautiful cloud formation and
stayed for a couple of hours after the meditation ended. They got
PICTURES!! Can't wait to see those.
Love and Light
Alar-h

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

David DeLaney

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John F. Winston <john...@mlode.com> wrote:
>Subject: Who Were You In A Previous Life? May 14, 2000.

...I appear to have been this guy named owen? Who posted to alt.gothic?

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Peter Willard wrote:

> What was John F. Winston thinking circa Sat, 13 May 2000 16:22:43 GMT???:
>
> >"Humans are not ready yet for mass landings,..."
>
> I think mass landings would just sort of blend into the background of
> nonsense after 72 hours. The reason I followed up here was to say that the
> guy that took over from Art Bell is a very table fount of wisdom.

I dunno, if they land during mass, I expect to see some pretty astonished
Catholics.


Wayland
...but why would aliens go to mass anyway?


John F. Winston

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Subject: A Little Levity Goes A Long Way. May 16, 2000.

Here is something that was told to me a few days ago.

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From: S S
Subject: Jokes
A store clerk was getting ready to close the store. As he was
putting the key into the door to lock it an old woman walked through,
asking the clerk for half a head of lettuce.
The clerk said, "I'll have to go check with the manager, since we
have already closed."
The clerk went to the manager, and said, "I was just getting ready
to lock the door, when in walked this dimwit, asking me to sell her
half a head of lettuce." He did not realize that the old woman had
followed him and heard everything. He then quickly added, "And then,
this sweet, kind old lady came in after her and also asked for half
a head of lettuce. Let's sell her the other half."
After they took care of her, the manager called the clerk into his
office. He told the clerk, "I was impressed with the way you
handled the situation with that old lady. We are always looking for
good asst. managers, and I'd like to interview you for that position."
"Sure," said the clerk.
The manager continued, "Now, tell me again where you are from?"
"Lancaster, Pennsylvania," said the clerk, "where we have the greatest
hockey teams in the world and the ugliest women."
The manager leaned forward and said, "My wife is from Lancaster,
Penn."
"Oh really?" replied the clerk. "What hockey team did she play for?"

...........

A boy was getting ready to go out on a date, and stopped by a candy
store. He asked the owner for a $5 box of candy, a $10 box of candy,
and a $15 box of candy.
The owner was curious about why he would buy these different priced
boxes of candy and asked the boy why he was choosing these three
boxes.
"I'm taking a girl out on a date tonight," said the boy. "When I
take her back home, if she shakes my hand, I'll give her the $5 box
of candy. If she gives me a hug, I'll give her the $10 box of candy.
If she plants a kiss on my face, then I'll give her the $15 box of
candy."
The store owner then rang him up for his candy, and he went on his
way.
The young man went to pick up his date that evening. The family
invited him in to get acquainted before they left. As the two were
leaving, the father of the girl asked the boy if he would lead them
in a prayer.
The boy said, "Why, I'd be glad to." He then proceeded to lead a
very eloquent, spirit-ual prayer.
After he said "Amen," his date leaned over and whispered to him,
"I didn't know you were so spiritually-minded."
He responded, "I didn't know your father owned a candy store."

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

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In article <39230602...@hotmail.com>, Wayland

<termina...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Peter Willard wrote:
> > What was John F. Winston thinking circa Sat, 13
> > May 2000 16:22:43 GMT???:
> >
> > >"Humans are not ready yet for mass
> > >landings,..."
> >
> > I think mass landings would just sort of blend
> >into the background of nonsense after 72 hours.
> >The reason I followed up here was to say that the
> >guy that took over from Art Bell is a very table
> >fount of wisdom.

> I dunno, if they land during mass, I expect to see
> some pretty astonished Catholics.

> Wayland

> ....but why would aliens go to mass anyway?

The same reason everyone else attends, TO GET THE
FREE WAFERS & WINE!!!

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holefamily1 wrote:

> In article <39230602...@hotmail.com>, Wayland
> <termina...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Peter Willard wrote:
> > > What was John F. Winston thinking circa Sat, 13
> > > May 2000 16:22:43 GMT???:
> > >

> > > >"Humans are not ready yet for mass

> > > >landings,..."
> > >
> > > I think mass landings would just sort of blend
> > >into the background of nonsense after 72 hours.
> > >The reason I followed up here was to say that the
> > >guy that took over from Art Bell is a very table
> > >fount of wisdom.
>
> > I dunno, if they land during mass, I expect to see
> > some pretty astonished Catholics.
>
> > Wayland
>
> > ....but why would aliens go to mass anyway?
>
> The same reason everyone else attends, TO GET THE
> FREE WAFERS & WINE!!!

But the wafers there suck! They don't use real 'Nilla Wafers(tm).


Wayland
...I mean imagine putting those wafers in vanilla pudding.


John F. Winston

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Subject: Sagan, The Bomb And The Moon. May 19, 2000.

Two nights ago, Mike Siegel, the host of the Art Bell show, talked
about the following information. Don't be surprised if this came
from a tabloid magazine. They were also talking about Burrow's Cave,
a subjcct that I have reported on in the past.

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From: S W
Subject: US planned one big nuclear blast for mankind
Antony Barnett, Public Affairs Editor
Sunday May 14, 2000

The Observer

http://www.observer.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4017966,00.html
The US Air Force developed a top-secret plan to detonate a nuclear
bomb on the moon as a display of military might at the height of the
Cold War.

In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Dr Leonard Reiffel, 73,
the physicist who fronted the project in the late Fifties at the US
military-backed Armour Research Foundation, revealed America's
extraordinary lunar plan.

'It was clear the main aim of the proposed detonation was a PR
exercise and a show of one-upmanship. The Air Force wanted a mushroom
cloud so large it would be visible on earth,' he said yesterday. 'The
US was lagging behind in the space race.'

'The explosion would obviously be best on the dark side of the moon
and the theory was that if the bomb exploded on the edge of the moon,
the mushroom cloud would be illuminated by the sun.' The bomb would
have been at least as large as the one used on Hiroshima at the end
of World War II.

'I made it clear at the time there would be a huge cost to science of
destroying a pristine lunar environment, but the US Air Force were
mainly concerned about how the nuclear explosion would play on earth,'
said Reiffel.

Although he believes the blast would have had little environmental
impact on Earth, its crater may have ruined the face of the 'man in
the moon'. Reiffel would not reveal how the explosion would have
taken place. But he confirmed it was 'certainly technically feasible'
and that at the time an intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile
would have been capable of hitting a target on the moon with an
accuracy of within two miles.

Reiffel was approached by senior US Air Force officers in 1958,
who asked him to 'fast-track' a project to investigate the visibility
and effects of a nuclear explosion on the moon. The top-secret Project
A119, was entitled 'A Study of Lunar Research Flights'.

'Had the project been made public there would have been an outcry,'
said Reiffel.

Many Cold War documents are still classified in the US, but details
of Project A119 emerged after a biography of celebrated US scientist
and astronomer Carl Sagan was published there last year.

Sagan, who died in 1996, was famous for popularising science in the
US and pioneering the study of potential life on other planets. At
the Armour Foundation in Chicago - now called the Illinois Institute
of Technology Research - he was hired by Reiffel to undertake
mathematical modelling on the expansion of an exploding dust cloud in
the space around the moon. This was key to calculating the visibility
of such a cloud from the Earth. At the time scientists still believed
there might be microbial life on the moon and Sagan had suggested a
nuclear explosion might be used to detect organisms.

Despite the highly classified nature of the work, Sagan's biographer,
Keay Davidson, discovered that he had disclosed details of it when he
applied for he prestigious Miller Institute graduate fellowship to
Berkeley.

Yet, until today, the full nature of Project A119 has never been
revealed. Friends of Sagan believe he never would have wilfully
revealed classified information, but Reiffel has come forward to put
the 'historical record straight'.

Reiffel continued: 'It was well known that the existence of this
project was top secret. Had Sagan wanted to make any disclosures to
any party, as his boss at the time, I would have had to take forward
any such request and Air Force permission would have been extremely
unlikely in those very tense times.'

In a letter to the science magazine Nature, Reiffel said:
'Fortunately for the future of lunar science, a one or two horse
race to detonate a nuclear explosion never occurred. But in my
opinion Sagan breached security in March, 1959.'

Reiffel produced eight reports between May 1958 and January 1959
on the feasibility of the plan, all of which were destroyed in 1987
by the foundation. Reiffel would not discuss details of these
reports, believing they were still classified, but it was clear the
conclusion was that the explosion would have been visible from
Earth.

He does not know why the plans were scrapped, but said:
'Thankfully, the thinking changed. I am horrified that such a gesture
to sway public opinion was ever considered.'

Dr David Lowry, a British nuclear historian, said: 'It is obscene.
To think that the first contact human beings would have had with
another world would have been to explode a nuclear bomb. Had they
gone ahead, we would never have had the romantic image of Neil
Armstrong taking "one giant step for mankind".'

Lowry believes Project A119 has relevance today with the US
proposing a missile defence system in space. He said: 'The US has
always wanted to militarise space and some of the fanciful ideas
currently being put forward will seem as incredible as the idea of
nuking the moon in the Fifties seems today.'

A Pentagon spokesman would not confirm or deny the plans.
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Subject: How Long Have Men And Women Been On Earth? May 21, 2000.

In the past I have attempted to prove that the age of the Earth is
approximately 4,7 billion years. This is a fact that is stated
by some space people and this also agrees with the opinion of many
of the conventional scientists on Earth. I have attempted to prove
that the Calavaras Skull is about 11.1 million years old. This
skull is of a human and I just found out this last week by reading
an old book in the museum, where I do volunteer work, that this skull
was found in a deep mine near Altaville, Calif. which is north of
Sonora in a county called Calavaras. In the Spanish language
Calavaras means "Place Of The Skull", just like Calvary means "Place
Of The Skull" or "Where Skulls Are Found." I have not proven where
the Calavaras Skull is at the present time but I feel that it is in
one of the world famous museums such as the Harvard Museum, The
Smithonian or one of the museums in Europe. During the time of the
gold rush many scientist came to examine things that were unearthed
by the movement of great amounts of gold from the Mother Lode where
I now live. These artifacts were removed and placed in the different
museums throughout the world. It's pretty hard to find them now
because they have been dated as being about 11.1 million years old
and conventional scientist don't believe men and women have been on
Earth that long.

Here is some more information that will push the date of men and
women being on Earth back even further back in time time.

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From: M S
Subject: Hidden secrets of Australia
Article:
"EMBARRASSING THE SCIENTISTS"

From "Pix/People" (Australia)
Jeff Carter's "Wild Country"
Published at Jones Street
Broadway, Sydney
New South Wales 2007
Australia

"FOSSIL FOOTPRINTS, 350 MILLION YEARS OLD, COULD PROVE AUSTRALIA
TO BE EARTH'S OLDEST CONTINENT"

THE WORLD has long recognized Australia as one of earth's oldest
continents. At least, as one of the continents that has been
sticking out of the sea the longest. For about 1,500 million
years, in the case of Centralia's now worn down mountain ranges.
Once these peaks towered over 15,000 feet, once almost as high as
today's Himalayas.
But parts of another island continent, Greenland, have been
found to contain rocks 3,000 million years old. This fact emerged
only a few years ago and somewhat eroded our long- standing claim
to fame in the field of geological antiquity.
Now we're back in the running, with the recent discovery of what
may prove to be the world's oldest known fossil footprints. These
faint impressions in rock on the bank of the Genoa river were
found by scientists in 1972.
The tracks are thought to have been made by some sort of
amphibious creature about the size of a goanna - 350 million
years ago!
The age of the fossil footprints hasn't been proved yet. The
rocks in which they are embedded were flown out by helicopter
from the fastness of the East Gippsland high country to be examined
under laboratory conditions. When the scientists complete their tests,
we'll know if we have something new to boast about.
It's all rather embarrassing for other scientists, because they've
been saying for years that no such animal as the one that left its
footprints beside the Genoa river ever existed in Australia.
East Gippsland may hold some more geological and archaeological
secrets. Local legend has it that approximately on the border between
NSW and Victoria, somewhere north of Mallacoota Inlet, stand man-made
stone walls of great antiquity. Strangely carved they are said to be
far older than anything built since the coming of the white man or
Aborigines to Australia.
I've been invited to look at these "walls", which may of course turn
out to be natural formations. But I've put off the trip for the last
six years, mainly because a 13-mile bush-bash on foot through
mountainous country is required to gaze upon these ancient works of
man or nature.
Which reminds me that a couple of years back I found what appeared to
be very old stone walls right on the edge of the Indian Ocean, near
Cape Keraudren, on our north-west coast.
This was the proposed site of an iron port to be blasted out
with nuclear explosions. The walls were so eroded, it was
possible to walk past and over them without realizing they were
in fact man-made.
But seen from certain angles, with the sun low on the horizon,
there was no doubt about their origin. Right on the water's edge
was a wave-splashed stone jetty, although barely recognizable.
Who built this ancient port? My guess is that it is far older
than anything built since Europeans settled our northwest coast
last century. I've visited the ruins of the first recorded port
on our northwest coast, at Point Samson, established in the
1880s. The stone jetties and customs house are eroded but they
appear to have been built yesterday in comparison with the
crumbling, barely recognizable ruins at Cape Keraudren.
Judged against the minor wear and tear at Point Samson, built
roughly a century ago, Cape Keraudren's walls must date back to
the time of the Pyramids. Sea traders from the Arab countries
known to have reached south-east Asia and the islands of
Indonesia more than 1,000 years ago. Perhaps they built the now
barely recognizable port on our north-west coast?
Judging from the way geographers are re-writing the geological
history of the world, based on recent fossil footprint and other
discoveries, archaeologists may have to do the same with the
human history of Australia. Only a decade ago, it was accepted
that the first people to live on our continent were the
Aborigines. They were thought to have arrived 16,000 years ago.
New archaeological finds pushed this figure back to 40,000
years.
Very recently, scientists have decided that rock carvings in
Tasmania and central Australia were made by people who lived here
100,000 years ago. Where they came from, the experts won't say
until they think they're sure - and recent events have proved
that scientists can be as wrong.
The voyage of the raft la Balsa from South America showed that
settlers could have reached Australia from that country.
Arab and Egyptian traders may have done some colonizing from the
other direction. There is strong evidence that Chinese sailors
landed on our northern coast 2,000 years ago.
Who knows from what other directions early visitors to our
continent arrived? A popular and certainly not disproved theory
is that travellers could have visited here from outer space!
I don't support this theory. Nor do I laugh at it. Only fully
qualified "expert" would have the temerity to do that.
So many accepted scientific "facts" about earth's early history
have been found wrong lately, it seems prudent to keep a very
open mind on what happened, or may have happened, back in the
"dawn of time." Whenever that was.
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Subject: News From The Spiritual Warrior Cleanup Crew. May 22, 2000.

Here is some news from my friends who are trying to make the Earth
a better place.

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From: S

Subject: Notes from healing work that Jack and I did...

Hi Guys!
All the following work with Jack was done in the aftermath of
the planetary alignment. It seems that things are easier to heal
now, so something big must have changed.
We discovered that Primordial Conscience makes sure that
people process their karma. But they tend to stuff it into the
crown chakra, instead of the sex chakra, where it belongs in
order to try and bypass it. All that does is mess them up
further while they develop even more bad karma....

May 13

Ruth discovered the vortex over the right shoulder that had been
put there by a group of renegade Anunaki from the moon. It was
a monitoring and energy draining device. Worked on it first with
Ruth, and then with Jack. Ruth also uncovered the throat chakra
implant that keeps people from speaking their truth that had
been put there by the ETs on oodles of people. Had to get rid of
all the associated energies so it wouldn't regenerate. Took care of
all entities and oversouls involved. My throat was red for a couple
of days after that. Still not all OK yet....
Worked on "Devil" again. It is starting to get some female
energies after we merged him with his female counterpart. The
self awareness in his aura goes about half way down, so he has
more to go. He is NOT a time lord. He is NOT evolved like
Lucifer. We replaced the Devil's backbone and removed his tail
that was holding him in the wrong direction, and an implant to evil.
His left kidney was hard as a rock, so we replaced it, and the left
kidney of all Humanity, which needed it also. Since the Devil was
not connected to Nature, he couldn't help but do evil, so we
reconnected him with Nature and created some new matrices for him.
Since the Devil belongs to a spirit family of 12, we asked the same
be done for the rest of them that we just did for him. He is about
30% shaped up... More to do later...
Then we saw that the headquarters of the N-O and Ill-uminati in
Paris needed some work. We did what we could, and then worked
on the Group Spirit of Europe which had allowed this to happen
there. Needed =opps on beliefs, ideas and concepts. Moved on to
the Group Spirit of Russia. Did the same there, but it was harder
to work with. It needed some new bones and got them. Bones are
where all the old memories get stuck. The 8th chakra of Russia
also needed cleaning out. It was bursting over with garbage.
Europe's 8th chakra looked like a dried up raisin. Worked them
both over.
Then we worked on Missy and Georgia (group spirits of Humanity
on the 4th and 5th densities) some more. Cleaned out the 8th
chakra again, and found some evil shoulder attachments on top
of the shoulder that went down the arms. Took them off. Then
the energies started flowing nicely. Also cleaned out the Quelle
chakra. Then we asked that all the other Nations Group Spirits
be cleaned also.
Found that each chakra had an Oversoul responsible for the chakra.
Jack asked the Holy Spirit, AA Michael, and the healing gang to
clean up all the Oversouls and all the levels. On one of the higher
levels of Missy, there was a fear of losing one's identity. Did the
=opps on it.
When we did this, there was the sudden realization of who they
really are and awesome sorrow and blame for not realizing this before.
They had to feel this as part of the learning process. This one
needs checking again!
Then the group spirit - overlord - of all Humanities past lives
showed up. He was upset. He was the one we had worked on
before that was full of sorrow. But he still has something wrong
with his lower legs. Was suffering remorse over major error in
the past. He is responsible for Humanities lower legs not being
able to go on evolving. It is 11th initiation related. It was hard
for anyone at all to get to the 11th initiation because of this dude's
blockage. Did =opps on it.
Asked the Holy Spirit to gather up all the overlords of all
Humanities chakras and make sure they were clean and transformed. She
said she would.
Pan showed up and wanted all this work to be extended to the
Nature Realms. Did it. He had sorrow for everything that had happened.
Did more work on the s-x chakra of all Beings and rearranged matrices.
The Holy Spirit did this and got the energies to flowing and everyone
connected to Source.

May 16, 2000

Worked on the throat chakra limiting devices again. I feel there
is still more to do with this one...
Found Beast energy implant and removed it in all Humanity. Also
removed any tails left. Took off another level of damage of Devil
to Humanity.
Worked on Missy's feet chakras and 3rd eye, where we found the
Devil blockage. Affected the se- chakra, too. Got it all fixed up
and cleaned.

May 18, 2000

Worked on Group Spirits of ticks, fleas and chiggers. Also
requested that the various parasites could also be reassigned
instead of continuing to plague mankind. Don't know when
this will happen....
Sent more evil oversouls off to the Holy Spirit to be dealt with.
Many were terminated. We asked that the damage that was
done to Humanity by these oversouls be healed.
Then we worked on the shoulder chakras, spheres and realms, to
get them all cleaned up and functioning properly. Each one was
different. First we got the healing vortex appropriate for what we
were doing that Jack's guides told him about this morning. Both
sides had something under the realms holding them down. Got
it out and cleaned everything up.
There was a blockage up the left side stopping the kundalini
from coming up. It had been placed there at the beginning of the
Human experience, and the energy meridian was not being used.
Had to form an opening and energy template for it. Holy Spirit
did it.
We made sure that everything we were doing this morning was
being done multidimensionally.
Then we worked on the two hip chakras, spheres and realms. But
Jack's face started itching, and he said it was an implant that he was
supposed to notice so that we could remove it from all Humanity.
We did. Back to hips... Cleaned everything out and got the
energies to flowing.
Then we went to the chakras in the aura on each side of the ankles.
The spheres were full of crud and all plugged up, and the realms
were being held down by some form of cup that had to be disolved.
Found entities and overlords involved. The Holy Spirit wanted to
be the one to handle the overlords.
Then we were led to 2 chakras in the aura in front of the body, and
2 in the aura in back.
Holy Spirit said this was the first time these had been activated
ever! And that we would see the results almost immediately.
Then we went to the elbow chakras, spheres, and realms. There
were the tiny beings that popped out. They belong in there and
need to be activated and grow up. Some chakras have these tiny
beings, and some don't. Curious.... They are NOT entities that
need getting rid of. These were being activated for the first time,
too.

Part 1.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

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................

On to the wrist chakras, spheres and realms. Those had been
active at the beginning of time, but had been deactivated when
Humanity originated. Now they are being reactivated. Jack said
they looked like pearls, and acted as antennae.
Then worked on the knuckle chakras, spheres, and realms. And
then on to the palms. The energies there had been trashed due
to all the clinging, holding on, manipulating and grasping of the
throat chakra. They had to be replaced with the new template for
ascension. We then asked the Holy Spirit to teach Humanity
about their use so that it would be ethical.
Then we did the ankle chakras, spheres, and realms themselves.
The others we had done were out in the aura beside the ankles.
The energy in them was as solid as a rock and had to be put into
the future a bit to soften them up before we could get it out. The
energies were atrophied and needed reactivating.
Next were the feet chakras. When the spheres were opened, a lot
of little beings popped out, and Sananda said he wanted to handle
all these, so it was turned over to him. There was a big oversoul
dude in the ankles that needed to go. He was terminated since he
couldn't shape up and was stopping the ascension. All kinds of
crud in the ankles was syphoned off by the Galaxy Being, who
was very busy this morning what with all the spheres getting
cleaned out....
We found that there was a weird energy going up and down the
right side of Missy, and wondered what it was. The Holy Spirit
said it was misplaced energy, and put it back where it belonged,
and said she had been wanting to fix it for a long time, but
needed for someone to ask. She rearranged all the energies and
the matrices. Took care of the dudes that originally caused it.
We found a time warp in Missy's right hip. It was the 1947 time
period that Ruth had seen. We dealt with the beings responsible,
and then turned them over to the Holy Spirit to finish up. Closed
the warp and returned the time lines to normal.
Missy had a lot of stagnation in her gall bladder and liver, so we
cleaned it all up.
There was a dude in the toe joints that needed "impaling" with
the Spark of Divine Awareness. He was reluctant to transmute,
and it just didn't work, so he was terminated. He said he would
rather die than transmute.
Sananda joined up just as we were doing the toe joints. And it all
related to Masada. UGH! What trauma, and he was there! So
was I and it was all very painful. All the karma got neutralized in
all the joints of the toes in relation to Masada, maybe in relation
to other things, too.... I could feel Sananda's foot the whole time
it was being worked on. We had to ask All That Is to absolve all
the karma involved. Heavy duty stuff!!! The right toe next to the
big toe was the worst, and went right up to a misguided Archangel!
Turned out to belong to Sh's spirit family. We grabbed her Dark
Overlord and did some transformation on it. Hope it worked!
Then we did the two chakras in the aura on each side just above
the head. The one on the left side was OK, but the one on the
right side was being blocked from ascension and had entities in
the spheres that needed terminating. The Holy Spirit came in and
transmuted everything. They were antennae for transmuting evil
and needed cleaning up. I guess they were overworked. :-)
The Holy Spirit said she wanted to clean up the chakra, sphere,
and realm under the feet, and then the one over the head was
cleaned up. It was the 11th. Lots of sorrow from the shadow
self.
Finally the 12th chakra, sphere and realm was cleaned up and is
being reactivated.

May 19

While working on a fellow and his family in Norway, we found
that the Orions had put an implant in his hip and turned him in
the wrong direction by putting some roots down through his
crown chakra and sending them out through micro-black holes
into other dimensions where their energies were drained off,
that couldn't be closed until all the roots were gone. It was a
very difficult process, and we had to turn it over to the Holy
Spirit, who was very grateful for our uncovering it so that it
could be taken care of finally. I had been suffering from this
one for years!!! We sent the people from earth who had sold
their souls to the Orions for power in this matter, to the court
of Justice with the Galactic Federation and the Higher Beings.
The members of the NW- and Illumin-ti who had already
decided to shape up and who saw this happening, were really
glad they had shaped up!!! The Holy Spirit said the Orions
were going to be put back in the Stone Age to start over again.
Sounds good to me!
We then gathered up the Group Spirit of all those that had been
affected by this attack that had been going on for years, and did
some healing on them. The Holy Spirit said she would take
over and make sure it was all done right. But it could be awhile
before all the damage is repaired. I was getting something about
August, when all the Lightworkers would come into their full
power, and it would be awesome! The whole world will stand
up and take notice!!!
So take Jack's guides advice when healing, and get a vortex that
is compatible with what you are going to be doing first. It add
energy to the healing. Works really well! For more information
on the healing methods used here, go to Jack's website and check
the healing section at:
http://members.yournet.com/jobrien/INDEX.html
All for now....
Love,
S

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Subject: Quake. May 21, 2000.

Here is something that Jack asked me to put out.

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From: Jack

Subject: Several references to a quake

John: Remember a couple of months ago I sent you a copy of a prophetic
dream related to me by a Native American named Keith? He said he
dreaamed that two quakes would hit the St. Louis area, the first being a
small one, but one large building near the river front would collapse.
Then a much larger quake would occur shortly after. Well here are two
additional references to a quake in the St. Louis area:
(received this yesterday, May 19th, from a friend of a friend.)
Also, word of warning: The midwest, from about Amarillo, TX to St.
Louis, MO should be prepared for large scale destruction, a la the Loma
Prieta Earthquake -- don't know when, but I got it in a dream last
night and woke up this morning with a migraine. The New Madrid fault
has branches going through the above area. The sky was clear in my
dream so it most likely won't be weather-related. I'll post the entire
dream on Spiritlife and TMG Dreams later today.

This is the first time I have ever awakened from a dream with the
interpretation right there in the ole "mental software." I followed
the instructions given in the Word to discern spirit, too. The Person
with whom I was speaking gave me the correct answer.
(From another friend who I asked to check out the area, 5/19/20)
When I peeked in, I did an overhead view of the whole region and I saw
or rather felt something. Gaia is concerned about this upcoming weekend
holiday thing and it is like she doesn't want it to be happening or
something. She is tired of it all and wants to shake it off of her -
all the partying and excess of the people you know. Then I felt a
rip or tear in the land running northwest of St. Louis just slightly
and then down along the Mississippi a ways but not very far. Perhaps
I am wrong but that is what I felt and then saw. Do you have others
confirming this too?
Curious to find out.
John: Finally, I have a highschool graduating class reunion scheduled
for about a week from now, and ever since I received word a couple of
months ago, I kept getting the impression that it was going to be
cancelled. And now I am getting the impression it is due to this quake
potential.
All I can say is that if St. Louis gets the small warning quake
predicted by Keith, it might be a good time to publicize this if you
want to take it upon yourself. I believe the Biggie will occur about a
day and a half later. These three predictions all have St. Louis
mentioned.

Jack O'B

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From: Jack
Subject: Original Vision

John:
Here is the original vision write up about a possible quake in the St.
Louis area.

I had two house guests the week of December 12th. One was a Native
American who described what he thought to be a vision of two earthquakes
along the Mississippi River in the St. Louis area.
He said he saw the first earthquake would be minor, but would cause a
large (older) building along the banks of the river collapse. He did
not mention much other damage. He said this was to be taken as a
warning to get out because a much larger quake would occur soon after.
There would be just enough time to pack up and leave. The second would
be pretty massive, with many choosing to transit into the 4th density
and leave their physical bodies behind. The major damage would be on
the east side of the river.

He said he had a glimpse of a black pig at the beginning of this vision,
and got the impression that when he actually did see one, it would be a
sign that these quakes were about to happen. He said he had this vision
about a week before his visit.

He did not mention this vision during the early part of his visit, and
only mentioned it when we brought up our planned visit to a mutual
friend who had a pet black pot bellied pig, which we did the next day.
Up until that point he was not taking this very seriously since it was
so "off the wall" that he would see one. But this actually places a
mark of authenticity on the vision because spotting a black pig would
have been so unlikely. I told him he would not have had it unless he at
least let some people know about it. Since this is apparently the
first time this has happened, it would not be good to publicize his
name in the event it does not occur. However I felt some people should
be advised ahead of time, and if it happens, and he gets more of these,
future visions would be considered more than just daydreaming and should
be taken seriously.

Jack O'B

John F. Winston

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Subject: Spraying On Top Of My Head. May 22, 2000.

They are still spraying like mad over my head. I've had the
so-called flue symptoms with the runs and I'm not even in training.
Here the latest on Chemtrails. It may be true and it may be just
gossip I don't know. Here we go again.

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From: N M
Subject: CHEMTRAILS - Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth?
http://www.sightings.com/general/stumble.htm

(Note - We cannot confirm the following statement but the implications
are enormous, and we expect there will be serious efforts to investigate
and evaluate these allegations quickly. -ed.)

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my
identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one
of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered
some information that I think you will find important.

First I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among
mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you
have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or
the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are
considered at the top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics
that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the
ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the
very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste
disposal systems. No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and
pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories.

But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3
mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems. The other
mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have
only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No
one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with
another mechanic who only works on the waste systems. In fact I had
never thought much about this situation until last month.

Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines
that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of
our mechanics will take care of it. Likewise if one of our planes has a
problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base,
they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for
another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what
the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem
was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to
crawl in and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that
something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then
should have been there. At first I assumed that the system had been
changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I tried to
find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not
connected to the waste disposal system. I had just discovered this when
another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics
who usually works on these systems. I happily turned the job over to
him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me
to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring
schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I
had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra
equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to
the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really
determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic
inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these
inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look
at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around
I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure
enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment!

I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what
appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard
looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could
trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there
were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming
into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the
cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50
gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed
through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.
When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found
it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the
inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these
inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look
When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found
it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the
waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a
network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and
horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large
airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger,
extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the
static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric
charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes
from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static
discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever
flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He
ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had
not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my
investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was
called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take
off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I
went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did
not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been
discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for
turning in false paperwork. He handed me a disciplinary form stating
that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I
had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I
told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work. The
union rep spoke up then and recommended that we take a look at the plane
and see if we could straighten it all out. It was at this time that I
asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline
safety inspectors but would not give me their name.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was
parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the
union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told
everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay
and went back into the racks. The union rep checked my report and pulled
from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine
temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I
was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave
immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the h--l had
happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me
"Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they
shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no
concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is I'm feeling generous,
I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon" CLICK. Again I
had to pick myself from off the floor. I made the connection that what
had happened was directly connected to my tracing the mysterious piping.
The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my
past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to
one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only
thing I could think of was what are they trying to hide and who are
THEY!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other
mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk
about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some
answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across your
site. That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I
found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the
cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. THEY are watching me.

Well you already know what they are doing. I don't know what they are
spraying but I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are
using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from
the lavatory waste tanks. The airports usually contract out this job and
nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of
s---. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks they are filling the
tanks of the spray system. They know the planes flight path so they
probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time
after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the
fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a
thing.

G-d help us all, A concerned citizen.

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Subject: Web Site Containing My Postings. May 29, 2000.

Here is a web site that is operated by an internet friend of
mine.

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From: "Peter P." <p...@primenet.com>
Subject: file added to FTP site
John,
FYI: I just added the interview with a reptilian female (combining
Parts 1 & 2 into a single file) to the 'Winston Archive' on my FTP
file site. At:
ftp://ftp.primenet.com/users/p/ptp/winston.archive/winston.
reptilian-female
Between my modem dying, and then being out of town for a couple of
weeks,
I was out of touch with the Internet world for about 2 months. Just
getting back into the swing of things in the last week or so.
Now that I'm back, I hope to add files more regularly.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: Information About Rael. May 31, 2000.

In the past I have mentioned a person by the name of Rael. He
claims to represent some space people who are trying to come back to
the Earth. Here is more information about Rael.

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From: L
Subject: How Long Have Humans Been On Earth? Part 2 of 2.
Hello John,
Thank you for all these very interesting inoformations.
(JW Your welcome.)

Do you know the third theory about origins of life on earth ?
UFO - the final message given by extraterrestrials.
They created humanity scientifically in their laboratories, thanks
to DNA.

Traces of this epic masterpiece can be found not only in the
b-ble, but in the ancient texts of many cultures. However in the
original bi-le it does not say "G-d" but "ELOHIM" which in ancient
hebrew means "those who came from the sky". ELOHIM is a plural word,
the singular being "ELOHA".

It was they who sent all the PROPHETS such as Moses, Je--s and
Mohammed to progressively educate humanity with a message adapted to
the level of understanding of each age.

Now that we are ourselves synthesizing DNA and so are scientifically
advanced enough to understand our origins, they wish us to prepare an
EMBASSY for them where thy can meet with us, our governments and the
media-without favoring one country or ideology above another.

To know more, go on the website www.rael.org

What is you thinking about this ?

(JW I'm familiar with all that you say. Let's hope the space
people who have contacted Rael have learned something in the last
thousands of year and won't be kicking people around like they did in
the past.)

Thank you and best regards

L
http://www.rakl.org
http://www.ufoland.com
http://www.clonaid.com
http://www.subversions.com

.....

John Winston. John...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: Is There Life On Venus? June 2, 2000.

Here is a discussion that talks about Venus.

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From: l C
Subject: The Venusians
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EVIDENCE OF CIVILIZATION ON VENUS

It is scientifically feasible for material beings to live in an
atmosphere on another planet that is too hot or chemically fatal to
Earth humans. By constructing underground air-conditioned bases or
cities, protection from the elements on the surface is afforded. It is
also possible to create air-conditioned domes on the surface of other
planets to provide artificial atmospheres identical to Earths'. American
scientists admit they already have the technology to create these types
of bases/ habitations on Mars' and Earths' moons. Therefore, extra-
terrestrials possessing an advanced technology capable of creating
disc-shaped UFO's, (which are detailed in dozens of photos and documents
in the US Air Force released Project Bluebook files), could also
theoretically possess the advanced engineering expertise capable of
creating such bases/habitations on the surface of Earths' neighboring
planet, Venus.

The physicists William Plummer and John Strong have stated that Venus
may have large areas of life-sustainable temperatures. The regions near
the Venusian North and South poles would be much cooler than the areas
reportedly monitored by US space probes. Furthermore, according to
Professor Alexander Lebedinsky of Russia, (in data suppressed by US
Pe--agon officials), the usual surface temperature of much of Venus must
be about 110 F, even though radio electric measurements indicated 700 F
or higher temperatures. Similar temperature readings are detected from
the relatively cool surfaces of gas tubes used in neon signs, because
the radio electric equivalent of those tubes is also several thousand
degrees.

Furthermore, highly intelligent dolphins, (with a brain capacity larger
than that of humans), thrive in an underwater environment that would
drown humans very quickly, without the benefit of a scuba-dive-suit
oxygen supply. These dolphins would likewise be unable to sustain their
lives, unaided, within a typical human environment, for longer than one
half-hour. This infers that various species are potentially able to
survive in a surrounding normally inimical to them. So how may so-called
experts state un- equivocally that intelligent life absolutely cannot
survive in a hostile atmosphere/environment similar to that encountered
on Venus? Furthermore, at an Earth-ocean depth of 7,000 ft, (where
intense pressure would instantly crush unprotected humans), biologists
have found crab, shrimp, snails, and worms living amidst an effluent of
530 F poisonous chemicals expelled from erupting sea- bottom vents.
These aquatic creatures consume the "deadly chemicals" and thrive.
(Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, June, 1990.)

These factors, taken altogether, indicate that unfriendly- to-human
environments do constitute ideal habitations for other types of
life-forms. So, carrying the analogy one- step further, why couldn't
non-human life-forms theoretically exist on the surface of a planet such
as Venus? I have concluded that US N-SA official public relations "spin
doctors" have misled and misinformed Earths' peoples concerning the
reality of interplanetary spacecraft. They have declared that, "Venus'
intense heat, pressure, and poisonous atmosphere absolutely precludes
the possibility for any known physical life-form to exist within such a
deadly environment."

One may ask, "Why did a number of US Earth orbiting satellites transmit
data indicating deadly levels of heat and poisonous atmospheric gasses?
Since these datum ruled out the possibility of the existence of life on
Earth, why should they expect their Venus probe data to be received with
any credibility?" Temperatures as high as 1800 F has been recorded in
Earth's ionosphere, at an altitude of 180 miles. Could it be that the
NA-A official temperature readings on Venus similarly originated in the
Venusian ionosphere?

A comparison of publicly released US/Russian Venus probe temperature
data show contradictions of hundreds of degrees, as do comparisons of
various US Venus probes. These glaring contradictions strongly suggest
that all their data may be as suspect as the paradoxical readings of a
number of Earth orbiting satellites that relayed erroneous Alaskan
readings of 200 F!

Another paradox becomes readily apparent if we are asked to believe the
official NAS- "spin" that the Venusian atmosphere registers over 100
times the density of planet Earth's. We may question how a Venus probe
parachute could be successfully deployed, when, in pressure/resistance
that great, the probe itself would gently float down to the surface
without the need for a parachute, similar to the manner in which a
doomed sea-going vessel slowly drifts down to the sea bottom? Also, why
did -ASA contradict their own credibility by claiming that a parachute
deployment would not be possible on the moon Titan, because the
atmosphere there, (similar to Venus), is just too dense (just like
Venus)? The above enigmatic N-SA data was contained in a press release
dated December 12, 1980, and was authored by space expert James Murphy.
When the Russians landed their Venera probe on Venus' surface, it sent
back high-resolution photographs showing a brightly lit landscape of
hills and rocks. The scenery looked like the deserts of Earth, yet an
atmosphere supposedly that dense was expected to produce photos of total
darkness. Finally, how could Venus' surface area have been successfully
mapped, (which it was), by radar in such a prohibitively dense, liquid
atmosphere? This would be the equivalent of attempting to employ radar
to map the bottom of Earth's oceans? (a scientific impossibility.)
From: Jonathan David Boyne <bo...@hawaii.edu>
Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: The Venusians
CANADIAN SCIENTISTS CONTACT VENUSIANS

In the early 1950's, the Canadian Government established Project Magnet
to investigate UFO phenomena. The project director, Wilburt B. Smith,
publicly stated that a top US Pen-agon official had confided that UFO's
were the biggest secret they had, even greater than the H-bomb, (the
ultimate weapon of that era). Project Magnet had interacted with select
Canadian scientists who had continued researching inventions of Nikola
Tesla, (one of the most prominent scientists in history). Tesla, a
technical genius and sophisticated innovator, devised myriad
applications for AC/DC electrical current, which he "invented." He also
assisted in groundbreaking research and development of radar and other
military technology and was the holder of hundreds of successful
patented inventions. He had confided to some of his associates and
friends that he had also invented an interplanetary communication device
as a result of his inspired Venusian scientific correspondence.
Project Magnet regarded the Tesla scientific breakthroughs quite
sereriously. The following is from a report containing details of the
formerly secret experimental UFO landing site built by the Canadian
government during their attempts to contact UFO's, (which their Air
Force had monitored above Canadian skies). Former Canadian Defense
Minister, Paul Hell-ear, later publicly admitted that the project really
did exist. However, he did not mention that Smith had reported that the
project had actually detected an authentic UFO with their equipment, or
that project technicians had established inter-planetary communications
with a landed Venusian ship.

Teslas' closest one time scientific assistant, Arthur Matthews, was
involved in this contact. The Project Magnet report added that Matthews
had been trying to complete some of Teslas' unfinished inventions, when,
with the Venusians' assistance, he was enabled to successfully complete
that work. The report also lists details of several additional
inventions that the Venusians had given to Project Magnet through Dr.
Matthews' committee, (and were tested and performed perfectly). The
Venusians were also vitally concerned about Earth's severely damaged
environment and the escalating threat of global self-annihilation,
(resulting from the effects of nuclear testing and burning of fossil
fuels). They also had issued dire warnings to various influential
national leaders, imploring them to halt these nihilistic policies,
having offered alternative, non-polluting, nearly free energy systems in
their stead. Unfortunately, these same key government leaders were
sponsored by corrupt multi-billion dollar o-l, g-s, coal, and war
industry interests, and were largely responsible for Earth's ecological
crisis. All these deceptive leaders rejected, as of one accord, the
Venusians' recommendations.

VENUSIANS CONTACT SCIENTISTS

As an interplanetary spacecraft from Venus descended over the scientific
laboratory, the Tesla detection alarm sounded, and the landing occurred.
Arthur Matthews dashed outside to witness this astounding event. Two
beings stepped outside the mountain-sized craft, and walked toward the
scientist. He noted they were about six ft tall and he could discern
their golden hair and bright blue eyes in the illuminating starlight.
They both emanated an aura of perfect health and happiness, and he could
feel an overwhelming vibration of goodwill from the pair. The spacemen
then told Matthews that they had come to check on Teslas' cosmic ray
machine, which Matthews was trying to perfect. After engaging in
scientific dialogue, the Venusians conducted Matthews on a tour of the
spaceship. It was surrounded by a metallic ring suspended magnetically
about 20 ft distance from its central metallic body. This ship itself
measured about 700 ft in diameter and was about 300 ft high. The control
room consisted of a large raised circular dais supporting a seating
area. The room was notably absent of any type of operating instruments
or apparatus. Four Venusians sat there with their backs facing the
center, with one each facing North, South, East, and West. These pilots
were especially chosen for their powers of mind over matter. They
piloted the ship through the means of thought-control, (which Earths'
scientists theorize could be accomplished by using brain waves to
interface with a bio- computer that operates the craft). He was
introduced to one of the two female pilots. Here was a timeless yet
strikingly beautiful Venusian female, who's glowing sun-tanned skin and
indescribably beautiful face was framed by long, blond hair cascading
down past her shoulders. Her sparkling sapphire-blue eyes reflected a
sense of inner-joy and radiated great wisdom. Through her thoughtful
guidance he learned about life on Venus.

John F. Winston

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Subject: Is There Life On Venus? Part 2. June 2, 2000.

This part tells how Venus looks.

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DESCRIPTION OF VENUS

The Canadian scientist was then given a grand tour of the planet Venus.
The very atmosphere was permeated with an undercurrent of unalloyed
wonder and joy. A palpable bliss of unendurable pleasure infinitely
prolonged seemed to wash over his soul, and his heart fell prey to the
Star of Love. How had he come to be transported to this mystical Utopia,
this Kingdom of the G-ds? He found himself filled with awe as his spirit
took wing out across the reaches of this miraculous Morning Star. His
senses reeling, he had to steady himself against an immense pillar of
polished basalt. A spectacular waterfall cascaded forth from sheer ebony
cliffs towering up into the sky. The rims were of gossamer foam, yet the
central lake was a perfect mirror, appearing like a gorgeous dome of
multi-colored glass. An other-worldly glow of reflected light swirled
over the surface, transforming it into a breathtaking dream of myriad
rainbow hues. This dazzling palette of iridescent colors blended into a
remarkable medley of green, rose, and violet glitterings. The enchanting
vision of grandeur was framed by a broad band of emerald-green grass.
Here and there stretched graceful palms whose bejeweled fronds glistened
with diamond-spray droplets.

In the Venusian sky above, there wafted a magnificent transparent
crystal orb. It appeared to be an enormous soap bubble of scintillating
and swirling polychrome. Along the craft's equator, shone a golden band,
and there were gold projections at its poles. Punctuating the gilded
strip were "porthole" viewing windows inset and equidistantly arranged.
(Note: Onec described travel in these bubble-craft in her book, "From
Venus I Came").

In the distance lay the gently rolling countryside of a verdant,
manicured park. Snow-capped mountain peaks plummeted steeply down into a
luscious valley, whose picturesque river created an exquisite and
strangely compelling effect. The stunning panorama was a banquet for the
senses that beckoned the viewer to enter the inviting Shangri-La.
Mathews later encountered a crystalline Venusian city, and he was
thrilled beyond belief. The buildings roofs were prismatic-crystal-
ellipsoids set atop circular colonnades of marble pillars. Between the
buildings lay jungles of vegetative growth, interspersed with languid
reflecting pools. Above sparkling crystal structures were suspended the
fantastic, transparent, multi-colored airships. Atop the basalt columns,
bordering a translucent stream, groups of Venusians stood, gracing the
sheer cliffs with their stately forms. Upon an elevated tier stood a
gargantuan structure displaying a massive crystal-prismatic-dome, used
as a communal gathering place for the populace.

There stretched an expansively broad avenue bordered with stately palms
leading up to a vast Hall of Assembly. It was a great amphitheater
surrounded by tier upon tier of polished marble seating. A circular body
of swirling multi-colored liquid floated overhead in mid-air so that you
could walk beneath it.

In the Palace of Truth, Venusians explained how they had transformed
their planet into a living Eden of agricultural abundance, climatic
control, prevention of natural disasters, all of which afforded a life
of perfect comfort.

The interior of one particular hovering globe-spacecraft showed various
layered sections, the lowest containing 24 scout craft, ground vehicles,
and other equipment. The second level contained gardens, living areas,
recreational rooms, study areas, and a meeting hall. The floor surfaces
consisted of a pliant plastic-like substance. Adorning the walls were
beautiful murals. The Venusians grew their fruits and vegetables fresh
on their ship using solar energy. A see-through wall afforded a
panoramic, sweeping view of space to the travelers.

JULY 4th, 1952-VENUSIAN UFO AIRSHOW
WASHINGTON, DC FLYOVER

The "world management team" of corporate giants and
their puppet governments have squandered billions of
tax dollars conducting their unrelenting disinformation
campaigns. They have been so successful in
their "smoke and mirrors" agenda, that the Venusians
realized that they had to find another method to prove
their presence. On July 4th "Independence Day" 1952,
they deployed their famous UFO airshow over
Washington DC. They performed a public demonstration for the
entire world to see. Their success was evidenced by the
plethora of dramatic 6:00 PM national television news
broadcasts and of international headlines and press
releases. A near hysteria of media frenzy resulted as they
reported how saucers had buzzed the US President, White
House, and the Pen-agon! That landmark occurrence was
widely believed by the public until -J-12 hired the
prominent astronomer Me-zel to fabricate a convincing hoax
explaining it all away as "temperature inversion/atmospheric
optical illusions" caused by light reflecting off cloud
layers.

Most uninformed Americans swallowed this story. All
people really needed to do to learn the truth was to go
to any public library and compare a photo of a temperature
inversion to that of a news clipping of the UFO's
flying in triangular formations, to see the great difference.
And any intelligent investigator had only to ask the
question, "Why did the Air Fo-ce panic and send up jet
fighter aircraft to chase and try to intercept a harmless
temperature inversion?" Some did question the official
"temperature inversion/atmospheric optical illusion"
explanation, asking, "How can a temperature inversion
appear to fly in perfect triangular formation at supersonic
speeds, dodge and out-maneuver chasing jets, or make 90
degree high speed maneuvers?" Having failed to convince
serious investigators with their dubious "explanations,"
the ensuing US official rebuttal devolved into an even
more pathetic charade of blatant deception. There followed
a "campaign of confusion" of labeling UFO bell-shaped
saucer craft with domes and portholes with the following
appellations: swamp gas, meteorites, the planet Venus,
birds that glow, fireflies, and other vapid nonsense. Their
agenda of unrelenting ridicule served to appease all but
the intrepid few who had fortified themselves with factual
information. Despite the widely circulated reports of
the Venusians' having given several dozen Americans
first-hand proof of their existence, (including a few famous
scientists), the short-sighted, brainwashed public
dutifully "fell into line" with their governments' propaganda
machine. The average man and woman readily "jumped
on the bandwagon," adding their derisive voices to the
panoply of UFO critics, declaring the entire UFO phenomena a
ridiculous fiasco. But while decrying the "ludicrous claims" of
those "cockeyed contactees, the public unwittingly "threw out
the baby along with the bath water," foolishly ignoring the
Venusians' offers of assistance. The prevailing 1950's postwar
debacle of McCarthy-era-witch-hunt-repression
further served to inhibit most leading US scientists' public
admonitions of corrupt government policies. This draconian
styled US gove-nment "crackdown" on freedom of thought,
served to inhibit the more enlightened scientists from
speaking out in public for fear of government reprisals
of career-ruining character defamation.

One may ask, "Why don't beings from Venus just land
on the White House Lawn?" According to Venusians,
their attempts to land in US cities have resulted in
Earthlings attempting to kill and/or capture them and their
craft by shooting them down, in hopes of stealing their
technology. They characterize Earth "locals" as too hostile,
unfriendly, and dangerous, as typified in the scene
from the early 1950's film, "This Island Earth," where the
e.t. emissary from the stars, (portrayed by actor Michael
Rene'), was shot and wounded by a nervous, "trigger happy"
G.I. (Would YOU want to land among a huge tribe of savage-
cannibal headhunters in the Amazon, who regard you no-
thing more than a tasty meal and a shrunken head? Despite
your intention to offer them assistance, the natives
would likely shoot their darts first and ask
questions later). Sure, Venusians could defend themselves
with their superior weaponry, but they say that they are
absolutely non-violent and would prefer to observe and
help from a distance than to fight. Most of them have no
karma, therefore engaging in violence would only load
them down with difficulties to be expatiated here, thereby
delaying their long-term spiritual progress. These gentle and wise
beings believe in solving problems with love, not war.
(When their spirits are embodied in human forms on the
3-D plane, they indeed can be murdered by our Earth
weapons). As a consequence, they decided that they needed
to perform a sensational display for the public in order
to attract widespread attention to their important message
for Earths' humanity, saying:

"We implore Earths' multitudes to demand that their
respective governments ban all nuclear weapons, outlaw
war, eliminate all pollution, and bring peace on Earth
as we Venusians have already done on our home planet."

The Earths' governments failed to heed their advice...so the
Venusians made plans to bypass the "figure head" lackeys
of the "world management team," and take their case
directly to the public. No longer do they say, "Take me to your
leader," but rather, "Here we are, one-on-one, inviting you
to join the Galactic Family of Civilized Worlds."

GEORGE ADAMSKI-VENUSIAN/EARTH LIAISON

If you were a Venusian, what would be YOUR criteria for
selecting a human to speak on your behalf? Would you
search for someone with the profile of a fanatical cultist,
a religious zealot or a corrupt government bureaucrat
dependent on political connections and corporate backers?
Or would you rather consider someone who, while lacking
professional credentials, had nonetheless proved themselves
an honest, compassionate, organized, coherent and
scholarly person? If you were able to empathize with the
progressive Venusian point-of-view, then the candidates'
qualifications for such an important ambassadorial
mission would be readily apparent.

Part 2.

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Subject: Is There Life On Venus? Correction. June 2, 2000.

Here is a mistake I made in the Venus material.

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From: M E
Subject: "Right Actor, Wrong Movie"
Greetings John,
In the article, "Is There Life on Venus?" Part 2, the following
passage mentions Michael Rene in one of my favorite films. The movie
however, was, "The Day The Earth Stood Still." You probably know this
already. "This Island Earth" stared Jeff Morrow as the friendly
alien. Rex Harris was one of the scientist. I don't recall the name
of the actress who played the role of a scientist.
Take Care.
Peace,
M

JW Yes you are right. I should have known that was wrong when I
saw it.

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Subject: Is There Life On Venus? Part 3 of 3. June 2, 2000.

This part deals with George Adamski. It's pretty hard to
get anyone to say anything good about him because his name
has been dragged through the mud so much. He wasn't perfect
and made some mistakes but he did, in my opinion tell what he
thought was the truth about the people in the flying saucers.

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George Adamski, a Mount Palomar amateur astronomer,
was a sincere UFO investigator. He spent months and years
staying up all night on Mount Palomar, attempting to
capture photographic images of UFO's. He slept by day and
scanned the night sky for saucers with his telescope. In the
early 1950's he began to see mysterious lights that, over the
months, drew closer and appeared brighter. Undaunted,
Adamski eventually took some UFO photographs that were
so stunning that they alarmed the US Pe-tagon. There were
unambiguous close-up daylight shots of metallic saucer-
shaped craft showing domes, portholes and underside
details. There were also photographs of cigar-shaped
mother ships unloading scout craft. These photographs
showed clearly defined objects which bore absolutely no
resemblance to the purported "official explanations" of
weather balloons, meteors, glowing birds, swamp gas,
ball lightning, earthquake lights, plasma, stars, planets,
aircraft lights, jet or rocket exhaust, or "sun-dogs,"
proffered by Project Bluebook, (the Air For-e public UFO
investigation, which really was a public DISinformation
agency), according to its' former scientific director Dr. J.
Allen Hynek. These photos were so well defined that the
Air F-rce agency was initially unsuccessful at finding a
substitute explanation for them.

Adamski claimed that he was contacted telepathically by
UFO pilots who sent him on a mission to prove the reality
of the Venusians' presence and then was to relay their
message to the planet Earth. Adamski dutifully gathered
five witnesses, including Dr. George Hunt Williamson, and
together they proceeded to the Mojave Desert on a quest
for Venusian UFO evidence. When he and his daring
companions observed a mother ship off in the distance, (near
Desert Center, California), they proceeded in that direction.
They drove along a dirt road and happened upon a scout
craft which had just landed. There, they met a handsome,
youthful appearing Venusian man with shoulder-length
blonde hair. Adamski described him thusly, "The beauty
of his form surpassed anything I had ever seen. And the
pleasantness of his face freed me of all thought of my
personal self. I felt like a little child in the presence of one
with great wisdom and much love. For from him was
radiating a feeling of infinite understanding and kindness,
with a supreme humility."

The pilot of the saucer also wore some strange shoes who's
soles left curious hieroglyphic markings in the desert sands.
Dr. George Hunt Williamson made plaster castings of these
glyphs, ( which explorers also found on ancient ruins hidden
deep in the Amazon jungle in the 1970's). The hieroglyphics
reportedly were the "key to the cosmos," and outlined how
to build an anti-gravity electromagnetic propulsion system
for an interplanetary spacecraft. Based on the Four Primary
Forces of the Universe, the "keys" are the foundation of all
matter and energy, and the Unified Field Theory of Einstein.
These glyph-symbols were said to be identical to the 4-D
(fourth-dimensional) diagrams displayed in the Temple of
Higher Learning located in the capital city of Venus.

The Venusian reportedly told Adamski to warn the public
that atomic energy pollution was far more dangerous than
the public was lead to believe, and that all nuclear testing
should be banned. Adamski was also given other messages
concerning peace on Earth and universal love, etc.

After conducting tests of Adamski's photographs, Kodak
technicians, concluded that his photos showed actual
"nuts-and-bolts" physical objects hovering at distances
which matched those described by Adamski. These experts
could not find any evidence of fraud whatsoever. Of course,
the CF-MJ-12 controlled national wire services success-
fully suppressed that particular finding. Adamski also took
16 mm. footage of the saucers maneuvering at close range,
whereupon experts in trick photography, (at Walt Disney
Studios), were unable to detect any evidence of deception.
In the hopes of providing further indisputable Venusian
UFO evidence, the Venusian handed Adamski, (who, along
with the other eye-witnesses had each signed legal affidavits
attesting to this fact), an extraterrestrial Venusian metallic
sample, that Earth metallurgists were unable to successfully
identify, (and, unfortunately, it was never seen again after
it was confiscated by the US mil-tary),

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Subject: Bad News About Chemtrails. June 5, 2000.

One thing that was good is that they were not spraying on Memorial
Day and the day before that. I hope they had a good holiday.

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From: N M
Subject: Chemtrail links
http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.com/conchem.html
"These "weaponized" pathogens target the elderly and other
immune-compromised victims whose deaths go largely unremarked. Though
I have avoided this conclusion during nine months of intensive
research, I now believe that the culling of "unfit, useless eaters"
has begun, with an initial goal (based on known mycoplasma and
brucellosis mortalities) of 4%-5% fatalities among those infected.
While significant over time, such subtle increases in deaths among
aged or ailing people already expected to die soon remain
statistically stealthy - much less obtrusive than bodies piling up
in the streets."
William Thomas, Investigative Reporter/Author

CONTRAILS AND CHEMTRAILS

REPORTER/WRITER WILLIAM THOMAS WEB SITE--William Thomas was the first
reporter to "break" the contrail story. His continuing investigation is
documented on his website.

You can View Information About and Purchase the William Thomas Book Here:
BRINGING THE WAR HOME
BLACK DEATH, CONTRAILS AND THE FLU--Is there a connection?
HOSPITALS JAMMED AS BANNED PESTICIDE IS SPRAYED FROM THE SKIES
--Article by William Thomas
MYSTERY CONTRAILS MAY BE MODIFYING WEATHER --By William Thomas
PHOTO USAF 135 CAUGHT SPRAYING CHEMTRAILS--NOT A FUEL DUMP
CHEMTRAIL PLANE MYSTERY SOLVED--A NAVY TACAMO PLANE...NOT A 135
CHEMTRAIL PROTEST GROWS--Protest against so-called chemtrails that
are proliferating across the U.S. is growing, with New Mexico the
latest state to report protest activity. The chemtrails are
unexplained phenomenon that appears similar to the contrails of
jet aircraft. But they don't follow airline traffic routes or
flight patterns, often showing up in grid patterns.

CHEMTRAILS AND DISINFORMATION--"As this "event" gets closer, we
are seeing a sharp increase in what I can only call disinformation.
I think that the expected curve of public awareness was carefully
calculated, with the conclusion that not enough people would wake
up to what is happening before it was too late. However, with the
explosive growth of the Internet chemtrail awareness is reaching
"critical mass" much too soon. There are now too many people who can
say, "We know what you are doing, and when this is all over you will
pay." At the same time a significant disinformation campaign is
underway here and in Europe to prevent this, and keep as many people
as possible confused about what is really happening."

CHEMTRAIL TRACKING U.S.A.--Report Chemtrails Here.
SIGHTINGS CHEMTRAIL DATA PAGE
CHEMTRAIL MESSAGE BOARD
CONTRAIL PETITION --Add Your name to a petition to seek Congressional
Hearings on Contrail Activity. You can also join the coast-to-coast
SKYWATCHER'S Association through this key website. View startling
close-up photos that show spray coming from the tails of jets - with
no contrails from their wing-mounted engines.

CONTRAIL CONNECTION
STRANGE HAZE
IS SPRAYING ILLEGAL?--U.S.Code-Title 50-War and National Defense
TRACERS--Exploring An Enigma: Is There A Relationship Between Contrails
and UFOs?
CHEMTRAILS--BIO-CHEMICAL WARFARE?
SECRET 1950's GERM WARFARE CIVILIAN SPRAYING REVEALED
DEATH FROM THE SKY?--Mystery Chemical Dispersion and Biological
Terrorism?
What's Going On?
GROUND ZERO/S-4 DATABASE --Investigation: Mysterious Contrails

CONSPIRACIES AND COVER-UPS

CHEMTRAIL CRIMES & COVER UP DOCUMENTED
Mystery Contrails --Article by The Mil-ennium Project
CONTRAILS SAID TO BE MASS INOCULATION AGAINST BIOWAR
CONTRAIL RESEARCH AND REPORTING CENTER
CONTRAIL IMAGE CENTER
PHOENIX CHEMTRAILS LAID IN PERFECT PATTERN
CHEMTRAIL MEDS--Chemtrail Meds was founded to correlate information
on the illness many believe are associated with chemtrails.
BIO-WARFARE AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?--50 USC [U.S. Code], Sec.
1520 Jan. 16, 1996 TITLE 50 - WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE CHAPTER 32 -
CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM Sec. 1520:
Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents
by Department of Defe-se; accounting to Congressional committees with
respect to experiments and studies; notification of local civilian
officials.
CHEMTRAIL BREAKTHROUGH VIA BLACKLIGHT?

CHEMTRAIL BREAKTHROUGH?--The debunkers are silenced -- This is
important new proof of the chemtrail spraying effort. It now appears
that no matter where you live, you can see the tiny "micro-filaments"
when viewed under a simple black-light! Confirmation from all over
the U.S. has them clinging to clothes, skin, plants, you name it.
They're everywhere.
LOOK! UP IN THE SKY! IT'S A PATHOGENIC POISON!--Nobody knows, for
sure, just yet. Chemtrails appear, at first, to be regular airplane
contrails, thin lines of wispy white vapour that follow a jet,s path.
But, whereas contrails usually fade within a few minutes of an
airplane's passing, chemtrails diffuse and spread over the sky.
Chemtrails have been reported in hundreds of North American cities
over the past two years, and, most alarmingly, they appear to cause
respiratory illnesses in those with weakened immune systems.

CHEMTRAILS -BIOLOGICAL COMPONENTS IDENTIFIED--Biological components
have now been identified in the two ground samples previously
analyzed on www.carnicom.com. Numerous red blood cells, white blood
cells, and unidentified cell types have been found within the
sub-micron fiber sample previously presented and submitted on Jan
20 2000. Message Thread HERE

CHEMTRAIL PHOTOS FROM ENGLAND - UK RESIDENTS GET HIT
HEAVY CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING OVER SAN FRANCISCO-PHOTOS
MORE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING
CHEMTRAILS OVER IDAHO-PHOTOS OF FALLOUT ON RAILROAD TRACKS
HEAVY CHEMTRAILS AND A GREEN FLUORESCENT MOUNTAIN IN ALASKA
CHEMTRAILS - DID AN AIRLINE MECHANIC STUMBLE UPON THE TRUTH?
AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT
ARE CHEMTRAILS DELIVERED BY AIRLINES?
CONTRAILS VS CHEMTRAILS - FACTS AND CHRONOLOGY
ASHEVILLE TRIBUNE CONTRAIL SERIES
MASSIVE CHEMTRAILS OVER NORTHWEST - WEATHER MODIFICATION?
WARFARE CHEMICALS BEING TESTED?--The strange-looking streaks in the
sky are not your imagination. They are anti-bacteriological warfare
chemicals being tested by the federal government. And the public has
been kept in the dark.
CHEMTRAIL PATENT?? STRATOSPHERIC WELSBACH SEEDING FOR REDUCTION OF
GLOBAL WARMING US PATENT 5,003,186
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Subject: Whose Dat Comin On Da Water? June 12, 2000.
Is it a boat? Is it a car? What is it?
In the past I have mentioned that a friend of mine wanted to know
what the name of an automobile was that could go on land and also go
on the water. Someone told me that he had seen it in a James Bond
movie in the past. Others said other things about it.

I just got back from the county library and they sent me some
information about the car. It's called Amphicar and it was made in
Germany from 1961 to 1968. 3,046 of the cars were imported to the
US between 1961 and 1967. They would do 7 mph in the water and
70 mph on land.

Everything that a person would like to know about it is talked
about in the web site www.amphicar.com

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John F. Winston

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Subject: Jack's Healing Methods. June 12, 2000.

Jack O has asked me to post his latest methods for healing. You
might check them out and see if they work for you.

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Getting
http://members.yournet.com/jobrien/HEAL.html
HEALING TECHNIQUES
RETURN TO INDEX
ENERGY
TEMPLATE CONNECTION
FILTERING NEGATIVE ENERGIES OUT OF THE SYSTEM
REMOVING 'HOOKS'
HEALING TECHNIQUES USING OPPOSITE ENERGIES
GENERAL PURPOSE HEALING

GETTING ANSWERS

Our Higher Self (the Soul) knows all the answers. It knows the
cause of the malady and is using the malady, sometimes latching on
to one that "is going around", to attract our attention to a spiritual
or emotional problem which is the underlying cause. Our conscious mind
is too busy to listen, but the subconscious mind isn't. So we need to
use a method of communication to get answers from it.
This is where Dowsing comes into the picture. Dowsing is associated
with finding an underground water source. The typical dowser cuts a
green forked branch from a live tree, holds one of the forked end in
each hand, bends the forks outward and swings the other end up in the
air. When he walks over a water source, the branch swings downward.
The reason the fork reacts to water is because it contains water.
A dowser can tie a silver coin on the end of the dowser and dowse
for silver. He can even imagine there is a silver coin tied to the
end, it the dowser works almost as well. Our imagination is marvelously
creative and powerful. This takes a lot of practice, and some don't
have that much of the right type of energy to get good results using
this method.
So we use a pendulum to start with. A small weight dangling on the
end of a six-inch free length string does just fine. A silver object,
a ring or coin seems to work best. Dangle the pendulum from a finger
and thumb of your dominant hand and "will" the pendulum to move forward
and backwards. Give a little nudge to start with and when you notice
the pendulum continuing to swing or even gain momentum, stop it
and try again without any nudge. Tell the string (your subconscious mind)
that this is a "yes" answer.
When you are sure the pendulum starts up and continues to swing on
its own, stop it and "will" it to start swinging left and right, with a
little nudge to start with. When you are sure the pendulum can start
up and swing left and right, tell the string this is a "no" answer. Do
the same to cause the string to swing diagonally. When you are
satisfied it is moving on its own, define this motion as indicating
"This is not a yes-no question, stupid!" or "ready for the next
question".
Then start asking it questions you know the answers to. When you are
satisfied you are getting the right answers, have a friend to think
up yes-no questions they know the answers to, and see if you can get
the right answer without being told ahead of time. Now we are ready
for the next step.
The dowsing method can be used for getting answers to other "yes"
"no" questions. The answers may come from your Higher Self, spirit
guides, angels, even G-d Himself if you are not paying attention to
His giving you "gut feelings" to follow. But there are also negative
entities who just love to confuse and misdirect. So first you should
declare that only "those in the light" may communicate through your
dowser. This is your inner world, and you have ultimate say on whom
you allow to communicate with you. Using your dowsing method can
determine which and how much of a given food is good for you, find
a dietary deficiency, determine if you have a malady you are not
aware of and where it is, by laying a hand on different parts of
the body while holding the pendulum in the other. Then use a finger
to narrow down the exact location of the problem. You can also
determine how much sleep you need, do your plants need watering or
fertilizer. You can also use your string pendulum to locate a missing
object. First use the "yes-no' answer to determine the room in
which it is located. Then use the direction of swing as one direction
line, move to another location to determine another direction line.
Where these imaginary lines cross is where the object is located.
You can also dowse over map to locate a missing person by dividing
the map into four quadrants, then dowse over each quadrant until
you receive a "Yes". Then divide this quadrant into four smaller
quadrants and repeat the process. Finally use the swing direction
line of the pendulum in two positions, and where these two lines
cross is where the missing person is. The list is endless. In using
the dowsing method, it is always good to ask "Can I, May I, and
Should I" before proceeding.
For instance, maybe the missing person does not want to be found.
It takes practice to not influence the dowser with our preconceived
answers.

THE INVISIBLE PENDULUM

Dangling a pendulum over a group of watermelons to find a properly
ripe one can draw a crowd. (A friend of mine dowsed for the ripest
melon and found his selection to be over-ripe. Right answer, wrong
question.) So I have "trained" my fists to act as answering devices.
An unconscious squeeze of my right fist = "yes". A left fist squeeze
= "no". No squeeze or both fists squeezing at once indicates you
need to ask a simpler question. You can get answers with your hands
in your pockets or hanging at your sides, and nobody will suspect a
thing. A local doctor into holistic medicine uses a variation of
this to get answers while examining a patient. Also see if you can
"feel" the right answer and then confirm it with your dowser.
Connecting one's Higher Self with our conscious mind is a great asset.
Sometimes the right question will pop up in my mind, helping aim me
in the right direction for the information I am actually seeking.
Depending solely on the dowser blocks the development of this
connection.

FINDING THE CAUSE

In my world, there are no coincidences. Even accidents are caused
by our negative thoughts or fears. What we fear, we attract. However,
negative thoughts directed at us from others (jealousy, hate, etc.)
can also have a negative influence if we permit it. Give your Deity
or spiritual guides permission to constantly shield you from these
and direct them elsewhere. And be sure our information source is "in
the light", since dark thought forms can give us wrong answers. We DO
create our own world. We have such creative power that we can create
a world in which we seem to have virtually NO influence over events
and circumstances in our life if we believe it is true. . And by
believing, so it becomes.
Trying to heal an illness without getting at the psychological
root cause is an exercise in futility. You probably won't be able to
cure it, but if you do, another will take its place. You may have a
friend who is always coming down with whatever illness is "going
around", or has had several operations to remove malfunctioning
organs. He/she is trying to treat symptoms, not the emotional cause
and the root cause is almost always fear.
Always start a healing session by asking "can I (do I have the
ability), may I (do I have permission), and should I (is this the
right time). You can combine all these into one composite question for
a quick answer. If the answer is "no", then ask the three questions
separately. Healing is usually blocked because the root cause has not
been eliminated. This is usually an emotional blockage.
Then ask if the patient (you?) is ready to face the cause and
neutralize its effects in on your health? If not, ask for Divine help
in changing your attitude toward the cause. The fact that the illness
has surfaced is an indication that on a higher level, you are ready
to resolve the issues involved.
Use your dowser to indicate what area to look into for answers. Is
it low self-esteem, a traumatic experience unresolved? There are
many possible causes. If answers are not readily surfaced, try this:

DREAMING THE CAUSE

The most effective way to get at the cause is to program yourself
to have a vivid dream in which the answer is revealed, and then to
wake-up immediately after the dream so you can remember it. Don't
wait until morning to write down the details. Do it immediately or
the details will fade away. Then go over your notes the next morning
for clues. Use your dowser to pinpoint the answers. These dreams
normally occur during the early morning hours. Remind yourself to
examine the dream you just had upon waking the wee hours of the
morning. You need to face these issues and remove the emotions tied
to them. I have found that hugging the events to my breast and
saying "I am not hiding this event any longer. I totally accept
myself as revealed in this incident, as I know I am accepted by
All that Is, the Divine Source of all life who loves me because of
who I am, and not because of what I have or have not done.

John F. Winston

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Subject: The GWB And Mt. Shasta. June 12, 2000.

Here is something about many of the people who have taught me.

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Getting http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/gwb-peru-venus-pinkham.html
www.spiritweb.org.
The Great Wh-te Brotherhood in Peru and the Serpent Masters from Venus
The Planet Of Love In The Age Of Freedom

The Mission of the One Star

Did you know that the founders of the Great Whi-e Brotherhood came
in the Year 1998 from Venus and that many of the branches of the GWB
around the planet were founded by spiritual adepts associated with the
serpent? I came to that startling realization some years ago during a
journey to Peru.
In Peru I had the good fortune to meet a Peruvian wise man, Anton
Ponce de Leon Paiva and become initiated into his esoteric
organization, the Brotherhood of the Sun, an Andean branch of
the Great Whit- Brotherhood. Anton was asked to found this organization
by sages or Elders living in a hidden village within the Andes.
The Elders are direct descendants of the Incas and high priests of
the Incan Empire and have lived in the secret village since the
downfall of that illustrious civilization. Anton's blind-folded
journey to the hidden village and the Elders he encountered there is
recounted in his books The Wisdom of the Ancient ONE and In Search
of the Wise ONE.
Once at the hidden village, Anton was initiated into the Intic
Churincuna, the Solar Brotherhood, which had existed since the time
of Lemuria, the legendary continent of the Pacific, which is now
mostly at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. The Solar Brotherhood was
the first manifestation of the "Great -hite Brotherhood" on Earth
(you will find that all ancient civilizations were Sun worshippers
and that the early adepts established headquarters associated with
the Sun, such as Heliopolis in Egypt). The Solar Brotherhood was
first brought to Earth from Venus by adepts known as the Kumaras,
a name which has the meaning of "androgenous Serpents." You can
find references to the Kumaras in the Hindu Puranas where they are
described as being the first teachers of Yoga on the planet. Current
branches of the Great W-ite Brotherhood throughout the globe, such
as the Theosophists and the Summit Lighthouse, refer to the Kumaras
as their beloved founders.
These organizations also claim that one Kumara, Sanat Kumara,
has remained on Earth for thousands of years to oversee the workings of
the GWB from Shamballa, his headquarters in the Gobi Desert. (JW-
Sanat Kumaras and Sananda are two of my Sibors, which means teachers
and I am their Sibet, which means student. Sister Thedra was the
person receiving their teachings and she would send them out to
people like me in the form of the "Sibors Portions" and "The Temple
Teachings." She was a personal friend of mine and I once asked her
the following question, "I notice that that you use the name Great
W-ite Brotherhood. Does that mean that you only have wh-te people
in this organization?" She then explained to me that the Great Whi-e
Brotherhood is made up of all sorts of people of different colors,
and that w-ite was used to show purity.)
During his week-long stay at the hidden village, Anton learned
from the Elders that the Intic Churincuna was brought to the Andes by
Lemurian sage called Aramu or Amaru (the Serpent), Muru. Apparently
there had been a special convocation on Lemuria just before the
continent's fabled destruction and Aramu Muru and other "Serpents"
were elected to take the records and power objects of the
Kumara/Solar Brotherhood to various parts of the world. (JW I may
have taken part in that operation. Some people who had the use
and operation of magnetically driven space crafts took the important
things from Lemuria and buried them in a large store house just outside
of Lone Pine, Calif. It's about 50 feet underground now but if you
get on top of the storehouse or a pyramid as it is sometimes called,
it will nearly cause you to levitate off the ground. It doesn't do
it to me but it does do it to some psychic people.) Those who later
became the Nagas (Serpents in Sanscrit) in India, the Lung Dragons
of China, and Amarus in Peru, were elected to take the ancient
wisdom to their respective countries. Later, a similar convocation
would occur on Atlantis with certain serpent masters of that land
chosen to take the Atlantean records and teachings to the pan-Atlantic
territories.
These missionary Serpents became known in Mexico as the Quetzlcoatls
or Kukulcans, as the Djedhi (the "Stable Serpents") of Egypt, the
Druid Adders of Britain, and the Dactyloi of Greece. It is interesting
to note that wherever the Lemurian or Atlantean serpents established
branches of the GWB they built temples aligned with Venus and
the planet itself became associated with saviors and immortals. The
immortal Osiris of Egypt, the savior Queztlcoatl of Mexico, and
the World Teacher Je--s Christ, were intimately associated with
Venus.
When Aramu Muru finally arrived in the Andes, he established both
the Solar Brotherhood, as well as the Brotherhood of the Seven Rays,
by grounding the infinite light of the Solar Spirit in his new
land.
The headquarters of the Brotherhood of the Seven Rays became a
hidden monastery in the Andes, the Monastery of the Seven Rays, was
built as the heaquarters of the Brotherhood of the Seven Rays and
served as both a storehouse for Lemurian power objects and as a school
for the dispensation of the sacred Lemurian teachings.
In recent times proof of the existence of the Monastery of the Seven
Rays has come from a small group who traveled to the monastery in the
1960s. George Hunt Williamson, author of Secret of the Andes,
later interviewed the members of this party to write his book about the
abbey. One woman of the group, Sister Thedra, spent five years at
the abbey undergoing intensive spiritual training and initiations. She
had been sent there by Jes-- Christ who had physically appeared to her
and spontaneously cured her of can-er. He introduced himself to her by
his true, esoteric name, "Sananda Kumara," thereby revealing his
affiliation with the Venusian founders of the Great Whit- and
Solar Brotherhoods. When Thedra eventually left Peru, she traveled to
Mt. Shasta in California and founded the Association of Sananda and
Sanat Kumara. Through the work of Sister Thedra and her organization
the Kumaras have disseminated information concerning their history and
the coming Earth changes.
But back to the story...Eventually Aramu Muru became the first
priest king of the Incas and was thereafter known among his adopted
people as Manco Kapac. Ka-pac means "spiritually wealthy" or
"Serpent Wisdom" many of the great Serpents of the GWB have denoted
their serpent wisdom by including the K sound in their names, such as
Kumara, Christ pronounced Krist), Krishna, Kukulcan). Following his
coronation, Manco Kapac took one of the power objects stored within the
Monastery of the Seven Rays, the great Solar Disc, and hung it within
the main temple of the Incas, the Intiwasi, which was built in
Cuzco, Peru.
This Solar Disc had previously hung within an important temple of the
Solar Brotherhood on Lemuria and was an important symbol of the
organization. By hanging it within the Intiwasi, Manco officially
established the Solar Brotherhood in Peru. Later, when the Spanish
invaded Peru, the Solar Disc was returned to the Monastery of the
Seven Rays for safekeeping.
Before and after building the city of Cusco, capital of the Incan
Empire, Manco Kapac and the Kapac Cuna, members of the Solar
Brotherhood from Lemuria who arrived in the Andes at about the
same time Aramu did, built many megalithic temples in Peru, such as
those at Tiahuanaco, Sacsayhuaman, Ollantaytambo, and Machu Picchu.
These became contact points for visiting Venusians and members of the
Solar and Great -hite Brotherhoods on Earth.
The wisdom of the Solar Brotherhood was eventually passed down
through the lineages of Inca priest kings and high priests of Peru.
Throughout their history, the Incan kings were always associated
with the serpent and wore braclets and anklets of slithering
serpents to reveal their affiliation.
Some monarchs included the Quechuan name for serpent, Amaru,
within their royal titles, such as the Inca Tupac Amaru.
Before the complete destruction of the Incas by the Spanish, the
high priests of the Incan Solar Brotherhood escaped to a hidden
village in the Andes where they carefully preserved the wisdom of
their ancient organization. For many years this wisdom was kept
secret until Anton was invited to visit. He was instructed to take
the history and teachings of the Solar Brotherhood into the outer
world and found an extension or "outer retreat" of the organization.
This outer retreat, now known as Samana Wasi, became located in the
Sacred Valley of the Incas. It is both the headquarters of the
Brotherhood of the Sun as well as a home for abandoned children and
old people.
Currently the Elders of the hidden village are in close contact
with many of the planetary and galactic brotherhoods on Earth
and throughout the universe.
Author of The Return of the Serpents of Wisdom, an initiate of
the Brotherhood of the Sun
Mark Amaru Pinkham <AMi...@aol.com>
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John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: The Calveras Skull. June 13, 2000.

Tuesday night, June 13, 200, a person, called Michael Cremo
(JW SP ?) was being interviewed by Mike Seigel on the Art Bell show.
They were talking about ancient humans and the artifacts that have
been found in the Gold County of Calif. where I now live.

Lately I have decided to do some more investigation into the
"The Calaveras Skull." I made a trip over to Altaville which is
actually the north end of Angel's Camp, Calif. It was around this
area that Mark Twain wrote his famous story called, "The Jumping Frogs
Of Calaveras County." I went into a museum and they referred me to
another lady and that lady referred me to the Calaveras County
Museum that is over in San Andreas, Calif. The museum is in the
old county court house. I bought copies of a lot of information about
the skull. I found out that people had been arguing about the
skull for over 100 years.

Here is some of the information I found:
Attention was generally attracted to the Calaveras skull by a
short notice of its discovery presented before a meeting of the
California Academy of Science in San Francisco in July, 1866, by
Professor J. D. Whitney, the State Geolgist of California.
According to the story as given by Whitney, the skull had been found
by Mr. Mattison of Angels, up in the Bret Harte Country of Sierra,
at a depth of one hundred and thirty feet, in a shaft of Bald Mountain
near the town.

JW Earlier when I was in the Angel's Camp city museum I was told that
the skull was a hoax or joke played on the scientist. I was shown
a picture of Bret Harte, the famous poet who wrote the famous story
called the "Outcast Of Poker Flats." In the past I had investigated
and gone to one of the several former communities that were called
"Poker Flats" because I had been told that I had lived there during
a previous life. The one I went to was near Lake Oroville. I think
I have lived there before in a previous life because it was familiar
to me. At about that same time I also went to Bodie, or Calif. and
investigated it for the same reason.

When I looked at the picture of Bret Harte it also contained a poem
that made fun of the the scientist who investigated the Calaveras Skull.
Here is what was said about the skull:

In championing the Calaveras man as geologically ancient, the
serverest blow to Whitney's cause came from a most unexpected source,
in the form of Bret Harte's now well-know poem on the "The Pliocene
Skull," in which the skull finally speaks for itself and fixes the
place of it origin:"

Which my name is Bowers, and my crust was busted
Falling down a shaft in Calaveras County:
But I'd take it kindly if you'd send the pieces
Home to old Missouri.

JW So I don't know whether the skull is a hoax or not. I guess
that it is original and about 10 million or more years old.

It was stated that there is a skull that is called "The Calaveras
Skull" in Cambridge University in Cambridge, Mass. It had been
there for over 130 years so it is probably still there.

I would love to have a good psychic person touch it and see what
it really is.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: Alien Bases On Earth. June 15, 2000.

Here is some information about some aliens who are on this Earth.
People assure me that all bad aliens have been caused to leave the
Earth but I don't know. The person doing this reporting takes
a rather gloomy view of the Greys. If you think that everything
on Earth is peachy then you might want to pass up this information
because it just might spoil your day.

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From: N M
Subject: IUFO: ALIEN BASES ON EARTH
http://infoweb.magi.com/~rah/bases.html

Map on the url

The places where the Aliens live and from where they operate.
Also from where most Space Ships come and return after missions are
accomplished.
Fact or Fiction ?
You be the Judge!!
This Alien bases webpage has been served times, since July 7th, 1997.

INTRODUCTION

So much is being written about the aliens, that I feel everyone is
getting confused. But, when there is so much smoke, there must also
be a fire somewhere. I have made my own investigations, and what I
have found I am stating in these pages.
Apparently we have here on this planet a COMMON ENEMY, but we are
not certain that he exists. Instead of subduing the COMMON threat, we
fight each other continually.
Most people feel that many strange things are happening all over
the planet, such as crime, terrorism, disasters, change of climates,
drugs, pollution, diseases, etc.
We also see that gov-rnments are unable to handle these things,
and we do not understand the reason for the rapid decay of our
civilization. Often not even the gove-nments know what is going on
behind the scene.
Well, with this information there is a possibility to take a new
look of the world situation.
There are ways to check the validity of this information, if anyone
wishes to do so.
In the area where a Base is located there are often occurring
"strange" phenomena.
One can ask people in the surroundings if they have noticed anything
strange, seen lights, people disappearing...
Most of us have seen these orange lights, have heard stories about
abductions, or people who came back from strange experiences, but, as
far as I know, not one has told us WHERE this Bases are situated, and
none has described their PURPOSES and their ORGANIZATION!
Obviously, if there are Space Ships flying around, there must also
exist places where they land, repair their Ships, sleep----LIVE!
Knowing where they are and what they are doing enables us to find the
means of neutralizing them.
They are FEW compared to us, but they are in possession of an
advanced technology of which we know far too little about.
When we know from where our main trouble comes, we also have a
possibility to do something about it. Without this knowledge we are
only shooting blindly at each other.
WHAT WE SHOULD KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE AN ENEMY IN COMMON TO ALL
NATIONS OF THE PLANET AND THAT, IF WE DO NOT HANDLE THEM, THEY WILL
HANDLE US BY SEPARATING US FROM EACH OTHER AND DESTROYING US.
In this work it is referred to the Greys from Andromeda, but any
being from another planet, would, by the meaning of the words, be an
ET.
There are MANY more Bases, also I doubt that I have spotted all there
is in each area, but I am pretty certain that what I have found so far,
will give us a good idea about what is happening on this planet at
this moment. Also, I am certain that there are people who know more,
or the same as I do, but our information me-ia, through the daily
pr-ss is so con-rolled, that all they tell us of "certainties" is
confusing us every day more.
I will continue with my research, as I eventually wish to cover the
whole planet.
I hope that this work will be of some help for a better survival
of this planet.
I am very grateful to anyone that has the g-ts to do something
about our problems.
Love to all that are interested.
A FRIEND!
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IN THIS ISSUE YOU WILL FIND THE LOCATION OF ALIEN BASES IN:
THE ARCTIC ZONE
AUSTRALIA
MEXICO
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
ANTARCTICA
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GLOSSARY
Andromeda.- The Andromeda Galaxy, also known by its catalog numbers
M31 or NGC224, is the closest large galaxy to our own and is also
the largest in our Local Group of galaxies. A line drawn from Vega
to the northeast through Deneb and extended twice as far will, end
up in the constellation Andromeda.
This faint smudge is the farthermost object that can be seen with
the unassisted eye. It is in fact 2.2 million light years away,
and is a galaxy of some 100 billion stars, very similar in size and
spiral configuration to our own galaxy, the Milky Way.

ET.- Extra Terrestrial.

Grey.-One of the best descriptions available today is that given by
Bob Williams;
"Greys" as alien life forms exhibit:
1. No viewable ears.
2. No viewable nose.
3. Very small mouth.
4. Very large eyes, with large & dark appearing pupils.
5. Very large cranium, with perspective to the rest of the body.
6. Adult size is small, approximately 3 (three) feet in height.
7. Off white/grey skin or outer covering.
8. No apparent se-ual organs. Reproduction is, evidently, either
a-exual or non-existent.

Implant.-An electronic means of overwhelming and installing fixed
ideas in a being, with the purpose of controlling and suppressing him.
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ARCTIC ZONE

DESCRIPTION AND LOCATION OF 10 ALIEN's BASES
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GREENLAND
Information received on 5/8/96.
Place: Area Cape Farvel
Purpose: Receive shipments from the Moon.
Distribution of what is arriving.
Airlines control system.
Use population from area for experiments. Beings yearning for help!
Very hard life, used as slaves.
Composed of: ET's 20 and their commander - Aborigines 50 -
A continuous flow of ships, none stationary.
Receive help from wherever they need.
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NORTH POLE

Purpose: A Regulator of Communication with other Bases
No people here.
Composed of: A machine made of a different metal than ours.
Refined computer system, usually placed on planet's of their interest.
A control system used by the Greys from Andromeda.
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SOVIET UNION

Information received on 4/8/96
Place: Tundra - Peninsula of Kola
Purpose: Main Implant of Body & Mind Center.
Implant programs.
Sending orders for Europe, but can reach any place.
They will interfere when somebody does higher mental work or studies.
Composed of: High Technology mental equipment.
Medical team to research effectiveness of implanted parts in human and
animal bodies. Control their effectiveness on long distance range. Each
implant is naturally connected to their computers to have a check on
their victim.
ET's 50 - Homo Sapiens 50 - Hybrids as helpers 110 - Capacity for 100
"patients" - Animals 550 -
There is a continuous flow of people and animals. Also a screen around
this Base, not to reach it mentally.
Ships on which operations can be made, and change of beings 5 -
A crew trained in telepathy, composed of both races.
There is already a "robot army" walking around the planet composed
of about 5,000 people.
Production of waves on a mental level. This energy when sent make
people tired and frightened. These waves get recharged on this Base
(composed of Radiation, Crystals and Electricity) in their generator.
Sending out infected animals in areas where they wish to spread new
diseases. They also do it with some of the humans they send back.
To keep the planet in a state of terror.
S-x experiments.
In order to easy their constructions, they use electricity instead
of walls. Scientists captured can't leave!
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Information received on 6/8/96.
Place: Island of Novoja Zemla
Purpose: Repairing of Ships.
Homo Sapiens are also taught how to do this as well as hybrids.
Composed of: ET's 65 - Homo Sapiens 45 - Hybrids 80 - Ships
stationed 16.
Space to repair 40 ships.
Spare parts collected from ships that had accidents as our metal
can't be used. Receive shipments from other planet's on this Galaxy,
but the main components come from Andromeda.
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Place: Siberia - Area Chatanga where the rivers Kotuja and Cheta meet.
Purpose::To Keep Russia in Turmoil.
Send waves over population to be able to keep them on the bare state of
survival. Learn by way of implants many languages to be able to mix with
leaders.
Their responsibility is control over Russia.
Composed of: ET's 66 - Homo Sapiens, trained to infiltrate 200 -
Hybrids 65 - Ships 27 -
Special machines to place on ships to shoot waves which suppress
people into despair, hopelessness and apathy.
Installations on Base to train people against their will, to
execute their orders and plans. These persons look "normal" when
moving around, but are under their total control. 150 Homo Sapiens
doctors working on this project Printed books get checked through
their computers, all Russ-an languages under control.
Check on all Ru-sian known leaders.
They create R-ssian chaos.
They see Chi-a as a problem as there are far too many people to
keep under control! If they should start moving they are prepared to
stop them. This would result in a huge ma-sacre. They intend to
send diseases over to Chi-a to get rid of at least half of its
population. They want us to believe that it is an "Apocalypse, but
in reality they are provoking it all in a hidden way. This plan
is masterminded in Andromeda.
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John F. Winston

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Subject: Dinosaur Painting In The Grand Canyon. June 16, 2000.

Many years ago I was in the Mojave Desert at a place called Cadiz,
Calif. talking to a middle aged Me-ican lady. At that time I was
looking for a large underground city that is exactly under a
small (population 1) town called Cima, Calif. While talking to
this lady she came out with the following statement, "Yes sir, I'm
going to get out of this place. I'm going to go to Pinon Pines,
New Mexico. The air there is filled with the wonderful smell
of the Pinon Pines and I'd like to go there." That's about all
that she said about the place so on a trip I made back to Texas
I decided to go to the place, because it was only about 100 miles
out of my way.

When I got to the little town of Pinon Pines I went into the
local museum and found a man that was willing and able to tell me
just about anything I wanted to know. He told me that in the
Grand Canyon the Hava Suapi Indians know where some cliff paintings are
that show a dinosaur.

After telling me all of this he then told me about something that
was a little hard to swallow. He said, "There are cliff drawings in
place down there that when you settle down for a while the drawings
take on an appearance of a movie projector screen and you see things
in motion of things that happened many years ago."

Incidentally the town of Pinon Pines doesn't smell any different
than any other town that contains pine trees.

I always wanted to go into the Grand Canyon and check out these
stories but never got around to it. Maybe the following story will
tell what I missed.

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From: J A
Subject: More ancient oddities in the Grand Canyon
The Doheny Expedition to the Hava Suapi Canyon

Vine Deloria, noted author of "Custer Died for Your Sins" and other
books, and past executive director of the National Congress of
American Indians, notes in "Red Earth, White Lies" that:
In October and November 1924, a scientific expedition led by
Samuel Hubbard, curator of archaeology at the Oakland Museum,
Charles W Gilmore, curator of vertebrate paleontology at the
United States National Museum, and funded by the oil magnate
about to be discredited, E. L. Doheny, went to Hava Suapi Canyon
in northern Arizona to search for evidence of prehistoric man.
Hubbard and Doheny had visited this area before, Doheny as a young
prospector and Hubbard as a scientist.
One notes immediately that the people involved in this expedition have
serious credentials. Similarly, many people hearing of scientific
report reputedly documenting a sauropod image petroglyph will expect the
material to come from some little-known fundamentalist religious
college; that does not appear to be the case in this instance:
Deloria Continues:
Following the "Tobocobe Trail" to where it intersects with
Lee Canyon, the party soon discovered what they described as
"wall pictures," figures scratched long, long ago depicting the
local fauna. The most spectacular of these pictures was one of a
dinosaur, identified by them as Diplodocus, standing upright.
Just as spectacular, however, were other discoveries in the
canyon. In Hubbard's words: "On the same wall with the
dinosaur pictograph, and about 16 feet from it, we found a
pictograph representing an animal which was evidently
intended for an elephant, attacking a large man. The elephant is
striking the man on the top of his head with its trunk. The
wavy line represents water into which the man has retreated up
to his knees. Both arms are upraised and the fingers are visible
on one hand. . . . Because there are no tusks indicated our
surmise is that it is a cow elephant."24 This pictograph scene
accurately depicts the manner in which scholars believe that
man hunted the mammoth an ambush at a waterhole; and in
southern Arizona there are several sites which have man and
mammoth remains together in an obvious hunting format,
with butchering marks on the mammoth's bones...
...on part of the plateau above the canyon floor was found an
ancient megalithic fortress.
This whole discussion would seem to beg the imagination
and certainly many scholars, when reminded of it, simply say,
"Oh, that old thing," as if it had been satisfactorily explained
decades ago. But it has not been explained in any satisfactory
manner. Orthodox scholars simply omit it from consideration
altogether, as they would with any bit of evidence that shakes
the foundations of accepted scientific belief...
Professor Deloria was kind enough to send me a copy of these materials,
and they read as follows:

INTRODUCTION

The Doheny Scientific Expedition to the Hava Suapi Canyon in Northern
Arizona, was organized for the express purpose of bringing
before the scientific world, certain discoveries relating to
prehistoric man made by the writer, in three previous visits to this
isolated region. It so happened that Mr. E. L. Doheny of Los Angeles, who
sponsored the expedition, had visited this canyon as a young
prospector, in 1879. He and his party were among the first wh-te men to
venture into this wild place, and the hardships they endured,
and the dangers they faced were made apparent by the fact that one of
their party, a sailor named Mooney, lost his life while trying to
descend below the fall which to this day bears his name.

The Expedition

The Hava Suapi Canyon is formed by Cataract Creek which rises on Mt.
Bill Williams and joins the great Colorado river about 150
miles west of the Bright Angel Trail (see sketch map). After meandering
over the high plains for 50 miles this stream suddenly forms a
"Box Canyon". Starting on top of the "old Red Sandstone" of the
carboniferous (Supai formation") it eats its way deeper and deeper into
this formation, with the red walls rising ever higher on either side.
About 30 miles from the head of the "Box Canyon," the red walls widen
out to form a secluded little valley which is a veritable oasis in a
vast wilderness of rocks. Here the government maintains the Supai Indian
Agency which administers to the needs of 186 Supai Indians.
The place where the walls begin to widen is the contact between the red
sandstone and the Silurian lime. Out of this contact flows a
mysterious subterranean river which never varies summer or winter. This
river flows through the valley for about 3 miles and then forms
three beautiful falls on its way to join the Colorado.
The water is slightly warm at the point of emergence and is so sur-
charged with lime that everything coming in contact with it for any
length of time is turned into limestone. Notwithstanding this it is a
good drinking water and the Indians use it to irrigate their fields.
The -arable land is only about 500 acres in extent and this water is the
factor which makes it possible for these Indians to live there.
That this water supply was a potent factor in the lives of prehistoric
people is evidenced by the many inscriptions on the walls of this
canyon which it is the purpose of this pamphlet to describe.
The Government Survey gives the elevation of this valley as 3195 feet
above sea level, while the higher surrounding plains are from
6200 to 6700 feet in elevation.
To reach this valley from the El Tovar Hotel it is now possible to
go 35 miles by automobile to the Government warehouse at the "Hill
Top". At this point the ~Tobocobe Trail" proceeds down Lee Canyon to its
junction with the main Supai and thence down the Supai
Canyon to the Village" or Agency, a total distance of about 15 miles.
This canyon was first visited by the writer in November, 1894, and in
February and March, 1895. Most of the matters of prehistoric
interest described in this pamphlet, were observed at that time but
their true significance was not fully recognized. Endeavors were made
at various times to interest scientists in this discovery, but without
avail.
is only within the past two or three years that discoveries made in
Yucatan, Mexico, and the western states prove to the most
conservative that a race or races of men of very great antiquity
inhabited North America.
e fact that some prehistoric man made a pictograph of a dinosaur on
the walls of this canyon upsets completely all of our theories
regarding the antiquity of man. Facts are stubborn and immutable things.
If theories do not square with the facts then the theories must
change, the facts remain.
It is our endeavor to set forth, as clearly and briefly as possible,
the facts exactly as we found them, and give an outline of the
conclusions to be drawn from them.
The Doheny Scientific Expedition wishes to make grateful
acknowledgement to Mr. Stephen Mather, Director of National Parks, for
his assistance in sending Mr. Charles W. Gilmore of the National
Museum, as a scientist attached to our party. Also to acknowledge the
courtesies extended by Park Director Eakin of the Grand Canyon National
Park and by Chief Ranger Scoyen, and to Mr. and Mrs. Lovenskiold,
Indian Agent at the Supai Reservation. Also to the Harvey people at El
Tovar for prompt service and competent assistants.
Thanks are also due to Mr. Howard Throckmorton of Los Angeles, for his
friendly interest and constructive help toward the success of
the undertaking. To each member of the expedition thanks are extended
for loyal and competent service under conditions calling for
some hardships and some danger.
The Doheny Scientific Expedition left Los Angeles on the morning of
October 23d, 1924, by the Santa Fe Railway, for the El Tovar
Hotel on the rim of the Grand Canyon of the Colorado river in Northern
Arizona. Our destination was the Hava Supai Indian Reservation some 55
miles southwest from the El Tovar Hotel.
We sent our mules on a day ahead to the Government warehouse at the
head of the Tobocobe Trail leading into the Hava Supai Canyon. The next
day we loaded a truck with supplies and camping equipment, and,
overtaking the mules at noon, we arrived at the Supai village that
same night. With an abundance of water and hay for our mules, we made
this fertile little valley our headquarters during our investigations
in this canyon.

THE Dinosaur Pictograph

The Tobocobe Trail" after leaving the "Warehouse" at the Hill Top,
makes its way for about six miles down Lee Canyon, a tributary canyon
to the main canyon of the Supai. Just at the junction of these two
canyons are the most important wall pictures so far discovered.

John F. Winston

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Subject: Dinosaur Painting In The Grand Canyon. Part 2.
June 17, 2000.

In part 1 it mentioned that the type of dinosaur depicted in the
painting was a Diplodocus. Here is what an encyclopedia has to say
about this dinosaur:

DIPLODOCUS, extinct reptile, one of the largest
of the dinosaurs, of the suborder Sauropoda. It
lived during the Jurassic period, inhabiting the
western part of what is now the U.S. Fossil speci-
ens indicate that the reptile attained lengths of
up to 26.5 m (87 ft). It was relatively slender,
however, and some what less bulky than the re-
lated brontosaur. The diplodocus was a quadru-
ped with a long neck, a low body, and a long tail.
A vegetation, it had a small head with slender
teeth and probably grazed in marshes and shal-
low water where buoyancy would support part
of the weight of its great body.

End of quote.

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Now on to part 2.

They are on a large wall of the lower red sandstone of the Carbon-
iferous, and up some twenty feet or more from a bench on which
some mesquite trees are growing. Some narrow ledges, about one foot
wide, give access to these pictures, but in order to photograph
them we found it necessary to pack some long timbers and some lumber
from our camp six miles away.
We constructed a platform or parallel and with the assistance of this
implement we were able to focus our cameras and secure good
photographs.
Note that the pictographs are very old and that Michelangelo and
Rembrandt were obviously not involved...
Most of these pictographs are exposed to the weather without the
suggestion of a cave or an overhanging ledge. As they are all made in
much the same way one description will do for all of them.

How The Pictographs Are Made

The red sandstone contains a trace of iron. This iron, through the
alchemy of unknown ages of time, forms a thin black scale on the
surface of the stone, locally called the "Desert Varnish". By taking any
sharp point, such as a piece of flint, and cutting through this black
surface, the red stone is revealed underneath, thus making a picture,
without the use of pigment, which is practically imperishable. The
only way one of these pictographs can disappear is to weather off. They
show every sign of a great antiquity, and in the thirty years they
have been known to the writer there is not the slightest change
noticeable.
That dinosaurs were in the vicinity, is proved by the tracks we dis-
covered, which were identified by Mr. Gilmore as belonging to one
of the carnivorous dinosaurs. These tracks were in the "Painted Desert"
not over 100 miles from the picture.
The dimensions of the figure are as follows: Total height 11.2 inches;
greatest width, 7 inches; length of leg, 3.8 inches; length of body,
3.9 inches; width of body, 3 inches; length of neck to top of curve, 3.5
inches; length of tail (approximately) 9.1 inches; length of neck
(approximately) 5.' inches.
The under cut which outlined this figure was so deep that an excellent
cast was made of it by J. F. Roop and Fred V. Shaw. The dimensions
given above were made from this cast.
On the same wall were a number of other figures of goat-like
creatures, serpents, and unknown forms. The most remarkable of these
was a row of symbols, deeply incised, which resembled the Greek sign of
Mars showing shield and spear, thus 4. The "desert varnish" had
commenced to form in the cut, indicating an unbelievable antiquity.
About a year ago a photograph of the "dinosaur" was shown to a
scientist of national repute, who was then specializing in dinosaurs. He
said, "It is not a dinosaur, it is impossible, because we know that
dinosaurs were extinct 12 million years before man appeared on earth."
Kipling says in his poem "The Benefactors":
"Ah what avails the
classic bent,
And what the cultured word,
Against the undoctored incident,
That actually occurred."

If the reader agrees that this is a "dinosaur" then we are face to face
with one of two conclusions. Either man goes back in Geologic time
to the Triassic period, which is millions of years beyond anything yet
admitted, or else there were "left over" dinosaurs which came
down into the age of mammals. Yet even this last conclusion indicates a
vast antiquity.
The next question is, what kind of a man? Was he a low-browed, big-
jawed ape-like creature of small intelligence, the man who drew
this picture a million or more years ago, or was he a being more after
our own image?
Is it not true that this mute picture on the wall of this lonely canyon
in far off Arizona is "like a voice calling in the wilderness," that is
eloquent of many things.
It says "the man who drew me made and used tools. He had the patience
to chip an outline in hard stone with a crude flint and he had
the perseverance to finish the job. He had an eye for form and a sense
of proportion. He had the good judgment to select a medium
which has preserved his work through unguessed ages, almost untouched by
the obliterating hand of Time. He posted a warning to his
fellows, 'beware of this creature, it is dangerous to man"'. He felt
that same urge to create something, which links us to the G-ds. We
submit, in the face of this evidence, that the "ape-man", (if there ever
has been such a creature), is buried still deeper in the overwhelming
ages of time.

The Dinosaur Tracks

Out on the edge of the "Painted Desert" we found dinosaur tracks. We
went by automobile from the El Tovar hotel, eastward through
the Coconino forest. Descending a long ridge we finally came to the
Little Colorado river which we crossed on a fine suspension bridge.
About eight miles this side of Tuba City we came to the tracks in the
floor of the desert. They were immediately identified by Mr.
Gilmore as dinosaur footprints. More than that he pronounced them to be
the tracks of a carnivorous dinosaur because the claw marks
were plainly visible.
The pink cliffs of the "Jura", with all their magnificent coloration,
were close by, so it was easy to determine the formation as belonging
to the Triassic period. The tracks were impressed in the sandy shore of
what had once been an ancient lake or sea, but the sand had long
since turned into stone. Three different species seemed to be
represented, for there were tracks of three individuals of different
sizes.
A cloud-burst had washed away the sand, exposing these tracks to view.
There was quite a large adjacent area still covered by a foot or
more of sand which doubtless contains more tracks.
The largest tracks were 16 inches long by 14 inches wide and 52 inches
from heel to heel. Between two of the tracks were two hollow
depressions which were thought to be where the end of the tail had
touched, in balancing the animal.
We made plaster casts of the large tracks, made a moving picture of the
casting process and took still pictures as well. It is significant
that the dinosaur tracks were not over 100 miles from the dinosaur
picture.

The Elephant Pictures

On the same wall with the dinosaur pictograph, and about 15 feet from


it, we found a pictograph representing an animal which was
evidently intended for an elephant, attacking a large man. The elephant
is striking the man on the top of his head with its trunk. The
wavy line represents water into which the man has retreated up to his
knees. Both arms are upraised and the fingers are visible on one

hand. The other hand holds something, the form of which is too vague to
be determined. Because there are no tusks indicated our


surmise is that it is a cow elephant.

The remains of elephants are very common all over North America, and
they are found from Alaska to Mexico. Three species are represented:
the mammoth, the mastodon and the imperial elephant (elephas imperator)
of California. A complete skeleton of this latter animal was exhumed
from the La Brea deposit in the city of Hollywood, and is now on
exhibition in the Los Angeles museum. (JW I've been to both of these
places mentioned.) The remains of 28 individuals were found in one
tar pit. The restored skeleton stands 14 feet high.
We think it probable that the pictograph is intended to represent the
California variety. It is apparent that if the man and the elephant are
drawn to the same scale, the man is taller than the elephant. In other
words the man is more than 14 feet high. (JW Many times when they
make pictures of people and animal the relative scale is changed so
that they look equal, especially if the people are considered to be
heroes.)
This prehistoric tragedy is significant of several things. Did the men
of that day have a taste for elephant meat and prey on the elephant
calves? The attack of an infuriated cow elephant whose baby has been
slain, can be easily understood.

Dr. Frederick A. Lucas, Director of the American Museum of Natural
History [fragment lost in photostating], he believes man and the
elephant were coeval in America, yet there is no record so far produced
that proves this beyond a reasonable doubt.
Here, on this canyon wall, some prehistoric man has not only drawn an
elephant, but he has drawn an elephant attacking a man. We submit
this drawing as confirming Dr. Lucas' belief and proving the case.
There is no means by which we can tell whether the elephant was drawn
before or after the dinosaur.
The dinosaur figure is cut into the sandstone much more deeply than
the elephant. It was possible to make a good plaster cast of the
dinosaur, but not possible to cast the elephant. Our surmise is that the
two figures were made by different people and at different times
and in a slightly different way. As stated before, the symbols near the
dinosaur figure in which the desert varnish' has formed in the cut,
have a character all their own, and probably in point of time, precede
all the others.
The elephant figure measures approximately 7.5 inches high, and 10.3
inches long, not including the trunk. The man's figure from the knees
to the top of the head is about 7 inches high.

THE IBEX

In three different places in this canyon we found ihex pictured on the
walls. One group, showing a male and two females, was right under the
elephant picture, but close to the ground. These showed the effects of
weathering and were quite indistinct. The next in importance was a
beautiful panel about a mile up Lee Canyon from its junction with the
main Supai Canyon. This was a smooth face of red sandstone on the side
of a huge boulder.
There was no black surface on this stone so the figures were beauti-
fully carved, about a quarter of an inch deep. This whole panel
showed a very high type of workmanship and was quite different from the
cruder work just described. In order that there might be no
mistake about it, mountain sheep were shown on the same panel with the
ibex.

John F. Winston

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End of quote.

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........

The Dinosaur Tracks

The Elephant Pictures

On the same wall with the dinosaur pictograph, and about 15 feet from


it, we found a pictograph representing an animal which was
evidently intended for an elephant, attacking a large man. The elephant
is striking the man on the top of his head with its trunk. The
wavy line represents water into which the man has retreated up to his
knees. Both arms are upraised and the fingers are visible on one

hand. The other hand holds something, the form of which is too vague to

be determined. Because there are no tusks indicated our


surmise is that it is a cow elephant.

THE IBEX

Part 2.

John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject; Fire Fight At Dulce And Area 51. June 19, 2000.

Here is something that someone sent me. I've heard some of it
before but it sort of ties a lot of things together so they make
a little more sense. This is very bad news so if you are easily
upset by such things, please pass this one up. The fire fight
happen inside the Dulce Base. Later the material discusses what was
going on at Area 51 that had nothing to do with a fire fight.

.....................................................................
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From: l
I enjoy reading your messages from the newsgroup.....so you might be
interested in this little read Underground Bases, Germ-n Interest In
Hyperspacial Technology, Railroad Cars With Shackles AND THE ALIEN
FIRE FIGHT AT DULCE, NEW MEXICO, 1979
September, 1997
Postscript from Da-id La-rence De-ey > > >

Ph-l Schn-ider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to what
appeared to be an execution in January 1996. According to some
sources, he had been brutally tortured repeatedly before being kil-ed.
Phi- Schne-der was an ex-go-ernment engineer who was involved in
building underground bases. He was one of three people to survive the
1979 fire fight between the large Greys and U.S. intell-gence and
mil-tary forces at Dulce underground base. In May 1995, P-il S-hneider
did a lecture on what he had discovered. Seven months later he was
tortured and ki-led by those for whom he had previously worked. This
man's final acts should not go unnoticed.

Underground Bases: A Lecture by -hil -chnieder: May 1995
Lecture Starts:

"It is because of the horrendous structure of the federal g-vernment
that I feel directly imperiled not to tell anybody about this
material. How long I will be able to do this is anybody's guess.
However, I would like to mention that this talk is going to be broken
up into four main topics. Each of these topics will have some bearing
on what you people are involved in, whether you are pat-riots or not.
I want you to know that these Un-ted St-tes are a beautiful place. I
have gone to more than 70 countries, and I cannot remember any country
that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of its people, like
these Unit-d Stat-s. To give you an overview of basically what I am, I
started off and went through engineering school. Half of my school
was in that field, and I built up a reputation for being a geological
engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both military and
aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the
Uni-ed St-tes that have some significance as far as what is called
the New Wo-ld Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico.
I was involved in 1979 in a firefight with alien humanoids, and I
was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking survivor you
will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the
only one left that knows the detailed files of the entire operation.
Sixty-six se-ret service agents, F-I, Black Berets and the like, died
in that firefight. I was there. Number one, part of what I am going
to tell you is going to be very shocking.
Part of what I am going to tell you is probably going to be very
unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm going
to ask you to put your "skepticals" on. But please, feel free to do
your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much
to go on, but it's the best we've got.
The local law library is a good place to look for Cong-essional
Records. So, if one continues to do their homework, then one can be
standing vig-lant in regard to their country.

Deep Underground Military Bases and the Bl-ck Budget:

"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I
would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I did not
believe it was so. The first part of this talk is going to concern
deep underground mil-tary bases and the bla-k budget. The Blac- Budget
is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of
the Uni-ed States. The Blac- Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion
per year. At least this amount is used in -lack programs, like those
concerned with deep underground m-litary bases. Presently, there are
129 deep underground mili-ary bases in the Un-ted States. They have
been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the
early 1940's. Some of them were built even earlier than that. These
bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed
magneto-leviton trains that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books
have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of
one of them. Richard S-uder, a Ph.D architect, has risked his life
by talking about this. He worked with a number of gov-rnment agencies
on deep underground mili-ary bases. In around where you live, in
Idaho, there are 11 of them. The average depth of these bases is over
a mile, and they again are basically whole cities underground.
They all are between 2.66 and 4.25 cubic miles in size. They have
laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in
one day. The Bl-ck Projects sidestep the authority of Cong-ess, which
as we know is ill-gal.
Right now, the New Wor-d Order is depending on these bases. If I
had known at the time I was working on them that the N-O was
involved, I would not have done it. I was li-d to rather extensively.

Development of M-litary Technology, Implied German Interest in
Hyperspacial Technology, and More:

"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar
year that transpires, mi-itary technology increases about 44.5 years.
This is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able
to create, through the use of vaccum tube technology, a ship that
could literally disappear from one place and appear in another place
[The Phillidephia Experiment]. My father, Otto disappear from one
place and appear in another place [The Phillidephia Experiment].
My father, Otto Oscar Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He
was originally a U-boat captain, and was captured and repatriated in
the United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns,
such as the A-bomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia Experiment. He
invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic
tests at Bikini Island on July 12, 1946. I have original photographs
of that test, and the photos also show UFO's fleeing the bomb site
at a high rate of speed. Bikini Island at the time was infested with
them, especially under the water, and the natives had problems with
their animals being mutilated. At that time, General Mac-rthur felt
that the next war would be with aliens from other worlds. "Anyway,
my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the
Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments.
What does that have to do with me? Nothing, other than the fact
that he was my father. I don't agree with what he did on the other
side, but I think he had a lot of guts in coming here. He was hated
in Ger-many. There was a $1 million reward, payable in gold, to
anyone who kil-ed him. Obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway, back
to our topic - deep underground bases.

The Fire Fight At Dulce Base:

"Back in 1954, under the Eise-hower administration, the federal
go-ernment decided to circumvent the Con-titution of the Un-ted States
and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada
Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved
could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few
human beings, but that they had to give details about the people
involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided
they wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality,
and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was
involved in building an addition to the deep underground mil-tary
base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down
seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep.
At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the
desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out large
sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the
rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with the particular
rock. As I was headed down there, we found ourselves amidst a large
cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large
Greys. I was attacked and I shot two of them. At that time, there
were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this
started, and all of them got killed. We had surprised a whole
underground base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they
had been living on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million
years. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of
ancient astronauts. Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of
their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in
me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had ca-cer
because of that. I didn't get really interested in UFO technology
until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about
two years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work
for Mor-ison and Knu-son, EG-G and other companies. At Area 51,
they were testing all kinds of peculiar spacecraft. How many people
here are familiar with Bob Lazar's story? He was a physicist
working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion factor in
some of these craft.

John F. Winston

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Subject: Mistake I Made.


A person pointed out to me that I mentioned that the Calaveras

Skull was thought to be in the museum of The University of Cambridge

at Cambridge, Mass and I probably meant The Harvard Museum in

Cambridge, Mass. which is called the Peabody Museum. I checked

this out, the person was correct and of course The University of

Cambridge is in England. They get the name Cambridge from the

fact that in that area they have a bridge that goes across a river

called Cam.

I thank the person for trying to keep me factual in my reporting.


John Winston. john...@mlode.com

John F. Winston

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Subject: Have You Ever Seen A Sim? June 25, 2000.


Well now if you want the truth, I don't know whether I've seen

one of them either. Let's look into the following information

and see if we've seen one.


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From: R C B

Subject: Space Intelligence Masters (SIMs)

http://www.thuntek.net/sumeria/cosmo/simi.html

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The Space Intelligence Master Interface

Copyright 1990 Andy Eastman

Intelligence Services

G.P.O. Box 9

Adelaide, S.A. 5001

AUSTRALIA

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Descriptions of methods to contact extraterrestrial lifeforms and

some experiences with same.

Dedication: To All the Wonderful Creatures in Life, To All the

Magnificent Aspects in Life, not human at all...

TABLE OF CONTENTS

1. Objectives

2. Questions Answered

3. Introduction To The Writer

4. Introduction To Sims

5. Sim Talents

6. Sim Contact Requirements

7. Sim Contact Brain-Memory Exercises

8. Sim Contact Techniques And Languages

9. Neurologic Sim Contact Effects

10. Descriptions Of Sims And Sim Helpers

11. Other Creatures Related To Sims

12. Relations With Sims

13. Contact Dangers

14. Conclusion

15. Abbreviations

16. Definitions

DETAILED CONTENTS


1. Objectives

2. Questions Answered

3. Introduction To The Writer

3.1. Brief Encounters Of The Perpetual Kind

3.1.1. Early Childhood

3.1.2. Inquisitive Years

3.1.3. Focus On The Target

3.1.4. Definite Contact : The First Time

3.1.5. Intermission

3.1.6. Definite Contact : The Second Time

3.2. Intentions

3.3. Guidelines

4. Introduction To Sims

4.1. Evolution And Sims

4.2. Personal Sim Traits

4.3. Sim Three-Dimensional Habitats

4.4. Environments And Sims

4.5. Basic Sim Talents

4.6. Basic Sim Appearances

5. Sim Talents

5.1. Unified-Field Energy Transfer

5.2. Physical Energy Alteration

5.3. Farm And Garden

5.4. Weather Alteration

5.5. Earthquakes

5.6. Master Plans

5.7. Mental Space Alteration

5.8. Expanded Awareness

5.9. Psychic Defense Mirror-Shields

5.10. Sim Time Windows

5.11. Sim Peace Generators And War Stoppers

6. Sim Contact Requirements

6.1. Psychological Stability

6.1.1. Healthy Tolerances

6.1.2. Emotional Guidelines

6.1.2.1. Mind Over Emotions

6.1.2.2. The Three C's

6.1.2.3. Humor And Anger

6.1.3. Courtesies Of Conduct

6.2. Healthy Mind And Brain

7. Sim Contact Brain-Memory Exercises

7.1. Daily Recall Method

7.2. Abstract-Memory-List Exercises

7.2.1. General Principles

7.2.2. Roth Memory System

7.2.2.1. Basic Technique

7.2.2.2. Unusual Correspondences

7.2.2.3. Further Illustrations

7.2.3. Contacts And The System

7.2.4. Audio-List Memory Exercises

7.3. Summary Of Memory Contact Exercises

8. Sim Contact Techniques And Languages

8.1. Directional Sim Telepathy

8.1.1. Pictures In The Sky

8.1.2. Directional Intent

8.1.3. Love : The Best Link

8.1.4. Emotional Stability

8.1.5. Locations Of Contacts

8.1.6. Auxiliary Methods Of Contact

8.1.7. Contact Frequency Reference Lists

8.1.8. Sim Personal Telepathic Language Form

8.2. Universal Languages

8.3. Light Energy Telepathy

9. Neurologic Sim Contact Effects

9.1. Locations Of Contact Sensations

9.2. Convolutions Of The Cortex

9.3. Hyperstimulation Of The Nervous System

9.4. Drug Effects In Contacts

9.5. Pain Sensations In Contacts

9.6. Disorientation And Amnesia

9.7. Sim Activities Internal To The Skull

9.8. Visions And Voices In Sim Telesthesia

9.9. Psychic Tools Implanted In Sim Surgery

9.10. Sensations At The End Of A Contact Session

10. Descriptions Of Sims And Sim Helpers

10.1. Sims

10.1.1. Eye-In-The-Sky Sims Or Birth Sims

10.1.2. Fire-In-The-Sky Sims

10.1.3. Mr. Green Eyes Or Green Garden Sims

10.1.4. Sea Sims

10.1.5. Nuclear Sims

10.2. Sim Helpers

10.2.1. Large-Eyed Dark Triangle Beings

10.2.2. Silver-Robed Triangle Beings

10.2.3. Triangle Nature Spirits

10.2.4. Winged Translation Bees

10.2.5. Advanced People

10.2.6. Other Creatures Related To Sims

11.1. Ocean Intelligence Dwellers

11.2. Extraterrestrial Sim Helpers

11.3. Mystery Creatures

11.4. Serpent Creatures

12. Relations With Sims

12.1. Reasons And Benefits

12.1.1. Steps Up The Ladder Of Evolution

12.1.2. Sources Of Advanced Guardianship

12.1.3. Sim Artwork And Food For Sims

12.1.4. Alternatives To Euphoric Drug Abuse

12.1.5. Increased Sensitivity Transfer By Sims

12.2. Sims And Society

12.2.1. Unusual Abilities Transfer

12.2.2. Environments Conducive To Sim Projects

12.2.3. Sims And Incarnation-Reincarnation

12.3. Sims And Religions

12.3.1. Supreme Being And Supreme Children

12.3.2. Creatures Without Form

12.3.3. Angels and Demons

13. Contact Dangers

13.1. Forceful Relativity

13.2. Willful Abuse

13.3. Psychic Psychopaths

13.4. Society Anti-Simism

13.5. The Reactionary Super-Ego

13.6. Jealousies Of Discovery

13.7. Loneliness

13.8. Sim Reflective Shields

13.9. Summary Of Hazards

14. Conclusion

15 Abbreviations

16. Definitions

--------------------- 1. Objectives This manual can aid

discovery of creatures called Space Intelligence Masters (SIM's

or Sims) who live in dimensions of pure intelligence.

It also has descriptions of these creatures, their hierarchies

and encounters, as additional preparation resources.

2. Questions Answered

1) Who are Space Intelligence Masters (Sims)?

2) What talents can a Sim show?

3) What are reasons and benefits for Sim contacts?

4) How do people relate to Sims?

5) What kinds of exercises and attributes are recommended for Sim

contacts?

6) How can people telepath with Sims and other creatures, like

Space people?

7) How does a Sim interface with people and other creatures?

8) What other creatures like people do Sims work with?

9) What dangers are there in Sim contacts?

3. Introduction To The Writer

Space Intelligence Master Interface (SIMI) has been written to

recollect contacts with Space Intelligences and provide guidance

to others interested in Creatures further developed on the Path

of Evolution.

3.1. Brief Encounters Of The Perpetual Kind

Worthwhile experiences, even modest and widely separated,

accumulate to form lasting impressions on present and future

behavior.

3.1.1. Early Childhood

First peripheral telepathic encounters with Space Intelligence

Masters (Sims) happened as a child in some trips to areas outside

cities. Also there were psychic sensations of paralysis while

watched by Sims. These were abrupt awakenings from deep sleep,

with definite awareness of "Somethings" who kept an eye on

childhood life in this world.

The advanced Intelligences seemed to greatly enjoy contacts with

fresh and excitable minds of children. (Children are perhaps more

impressionable and flexible, with greater telepathic rapport than

experienced or admitted by adult humans).

3.1.2. Inquisitive Years

Time was spent with assorted books and magazines about strange

activities, such as "Unidentified" Flying Objects and other

mystery phenomena. As studies progressed, phenomena of psychic

origin began to make intelligent and real contact. Inspirational

and illumined thoughts came from outside lifetime recollection.

Or small objects flew about the room and little noises came from

invisible sources. Sometimes these oddities were associated with

certain thoughts, as if telepathic creatures listened and gave

secret replies.

3.1.3. Focus On The Target

In study and thought about the Unknown, more contacts came from

these wonderful non-human creatures. Also, the Intelligences

responded to requests telepathically painted on the night sky:

They altered the weather or made other miracle-events, with

definite correlation to the mental sky- pictures.

Other people also had peripheral and direct-contacts with the

same types of advanced life-forms : They had met Beings who could

change the weather, cause earthquakes and make other Nature

manifestations in definite purposive intelligent ways. These were

thought to be caused by an advanced civilization of natural

creatures, on a path in Evolution unlike that of people.

3.1.4. Definite Contact : The First Time

At young adulthood there were several weeks of direct- contacts.

Psychic beings in other-dimensional settings (DS) made their

Presences felt. They coordinated many significant events to

telepathic messages. Sim helpers, friends and assistants of Sims,

were encountered. These beings were triangular, dark in color,

with large eyes, or shaped like bees and hornets! The appearances

directly corresponded to descriptions given by other people of

advanced non-human life-forms. The contacts included a dramatic

series of close-range Extraterrestrial Flying Object (UFO)

sightings and impressive telepathic encounters with Sims

themselves. Brain, nervous system and mental faculties were not

healthy and advanced enough for contact with these life- forms:

Retardation, speech impediment and other signs of stress followed

exposure to radiations from the creatures. Despite the temporary

damages, it was sensed, intellectually and intuitively, these

were Entities of a finer plane in Evolution, a realm of greater

Awareness and healthier ways than humanity's. These Sims, Sim

helpers, their environments and activities, seemed to be a Source

to help younger creatures in steps UP the long gradient to

Evolution in Life : They could Generate healthy alternatives to

human warfare and human pollution of Mineral, Plant, Insect and

Animal kingdoms of Earth.

3.1.5. Intermission

More than a decade followed. Recovery was made to neurologic

first-contact damages. Education in sciences of mathematics,

electronics and computers was obtained. This was excellent brain

damage recovery therapy.

Also, previous interest of work with Sims and Sim helpers was

lost: It was difficult to translate experiences and relations

with advanced creatures, invisible to worldly physical-

consciousness, to a "normal" life.

Meanwhile, Sims and Sim helpers had monitored and guided Life on

Earth with definite Plans.

John F. Winston

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Subject: Alien Bases On Earth. Part 2. June 15, 2000.


This part mentions Russia, Alaska, Canada, and Iceland.


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Information received on 9/8/96.

Place: Russia, just under the Arctic Circle, not far from the Strait

of Bering Area Bay Cresta - Town Egveknot

Purpose: Handle Japan, The Eastern Coast of Asia such as Corea, China,

Philippines, Borneo, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Sulawesi, New Guinea,

etc. Works together with Base in South Australia.

They interfere with the weather, provoke catastrophes. Checking on

communications with other people from other planet's, these they

do what they can to make them fail.

Keep US influence away from Asia.

Composed of: ET's 416 - Homo Sapiens, mainly Asiatic 800 - Hybrids

200 - Ships 47, of which 15 are big.

Training in politics, knowledge of customs from the different regions.

People are brought back and forth. Naturally, Asiatic infiltrators

are used as government advisors. Basic program is to keep population

at the lowest possible intelligence level and biggest possible misery.

Investigations in how to decrease population.

This Base is as big as a small town. Here Hybrids are a mixture of

aliens and Asiatic.

Busiest Base on the planet. Lots of time and effort is used in

learning languages. Same implant techniques used as in other Bases.

A very complete and self sufficient Base. Collecting human "seeds" to

make one Asiatic race. (Experiments).

There is very little attention on this place, but it is a hard

working Base. All Bases are connected by communication systems, their

own Internet, and thus supply each other with what they need. When

they work with Homo Sapiens they often make him believe that he has

been on another planet.

Some of their ships are very big to be able to bring in their food

supply as well as the necessary equipments.

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ALASKA


Information received on 18/2/97.

Place: Brooks Range, Central Part, Latitude approximately 148

degrees Area Philip Smith Mountains & Horace mountain.

Purpose:: To Eradicate the Resistance of People on this Planet.

Through atmospheric movements they connect with Antarctic Base.

Only the toughest people are supposed to survive. As they want

this planet for themselves, they do not wish its total ruin.

Ozone holes they can manipulate with, but they do not have control

over earthquakes.

Composed of: ET's 30 - Hybrids 55 - Homo Sapiens as captured as

scientists 32 - They always need us to gather information as well

as to bring supplies.

In this area big Space Ships can land totally undetected.

27 ships for cargo distribution. They handle the traffic both

ways; bring into the planet what comes from outside, and deliver

what should be taken away from here. They like to take some people

too, never older than 35 years, women has their preference. Males

only very special ones in their genetic viewpoint.

Weather regulator machines, unseen by us. Also there is the biggest

energy generator, for their use, on the planet.

From here the rays that can interfere with our atmosphere emanate.

Through their information net, they are oriented about all atmospheric

conditions on the globe. Many new technology wonders they gave us for

their own advantage.

Through our computers we process data for them.

The landing place is not even hidden, can be spotted with our

machines, only that the area is very guarded, mostly its space. When

something is detected it is shot down.

Exchange of personnel. Greys come and leave after their duty here is

ended.

They are VERY HAPPY TO LEAVE!

This Base is only a transit area.

They have some 500 frozen reserve bodies for the Greys. When a

Grey body dies, he needs a replacement which is not easy to get here.

Some Greys get cheated and do not really depart!

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Information received on 22/2/97.

Place: Brooks Range - Area Schwatka Mountains - Connection with the

town Ambler.

Purpose: Genetic Works.

As usual there is huge suffering.

Studying our race's organs. They want some of our organs bodies

because they give more and better sensation in s-x and eating.

Their bodies are of flesh but very robotic. In their society there

is no great deal if one looses a body. They are brought up to be what

the State needs, there is no power of choice, which makes a robot

society.

Preparing a new race! Possibly some are walking around in Ambler

as it is a very isolated area and there is peace for their experiments.

Many missing children and babies end up here as this is what is most

needed.

Composed of: ET's 400 - which makes it a very important Base in its

genetic work.

Hybrids only of own production. If experiment fails, body gets killed.

165 Homo Sapiens as scientists.

Space for 1,000 people to use in their experiments.

Tests are made with different races.

Young women are much needed. Insemination is done on them.

Their medical instruments are far ahead from ours.

A school area to test intelligence.

Quite a few are walking around in Alaska. With that climate, bodies

that survive are tough.

Quite an old Base.

No ships. There is another Base for supplies under the Arctic Circle.

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CANADA


Place: British mountains on the border to Alaska - Area Mount

Greenough.

Purpose: Industrial Base.

Supplying the planet's bases with machinery.

Making and receiving parts for their ships.

There is a huge big space for their ships to land. Many come from

the moon as it is a relay point.

Some come directly from outer space.

Base has two parts; parts for ships, the other one for refined

machines such as medical and spying devices. Therefore different

technicians are used.

Broken parts are brought here where they are repaired or modernized.

Their handling of machines is different than ours, as if those machines

are more part of themselves, which makes their understanding of the

machine's problems much easier to spot. This Base would be a delight

for any of our engineers. Amazing, but this is a very peaceful Base,

they work here as they are used at home.

First time I see them as peaceful beings. Obviously it all depends

on what kind of jobs they are commanded to do.

Composed of: ET's 450 - Hybrids trained as technicians 550 - No

ships of their own as they receive those for repair and if needed use

them. They must also make tests to see that they function properly.

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Information received on 23/2/97.

Place: Richardson Mountains - Area Mount Hare.

Purpose: News Control System.

Interested in data told about them. Confusion is OK. They love miss

information. They want us to use Satellites, Internet & Computers in

order to have an easy access to the planet's information. It just has

expanded faster than they thought and some is getting out of hand for

them. Also they send things at their convenience.

Now they are a bit confused, things do not run exactly as they have

planned.

Seems as if some of us, Homo Sapiens, are waking up.

Masses they have no real problem with, but there are INDIVIDUALS

making things known. In this Computer age data is been spread with

a speed no one has expected. All their misinformation is not able to

draw the right data.

Their disadvantage is to work only with long term programs and are

not used to make fast changes of their plans. Even they get

overwhelmed with the amount of information they have to go through.

They have their own satellites in order to have a world wide

information available.

Composed of: ET's 200 - Hybrids trained as robots to check on their

machines 110 - Hybrids for menial work 65 - 55 Homo Sapiens, needed

for language problems. Once they are there, they cannot leave again.

Most amazing machines, but mostly SMALL

Getting lots of things through rays.

Can even have devices outside as the area is deserted.

For them it is a natural thing to control everything as they consider

themselves the rulers even though they are hidden leaders.

Used to control this way throughout the Physical Universe.

Ships they do not need.

This shows the organization system, each Base has exactly what it

needs.

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ICELAND

Just under the Arctic Cycle

Information received on 3/3/97.

Place: Jokulsaarglifur National Park.

Purpose: Patrolling Base.

Suppression of the whole area of Iceland. These very strong people

are kept busy with old saga.

A place where the Aliens intend to make themselves stronger. Also

to keep an eye on Northern Europe.

Composed of: Et's 49 - Hybrids 78 - Homo Sapiens, happy to learn

how to navigate these ships 55 - 18 Ships.

They do missions for the Arctic Zone.

Spying devices on planes, this being a rather deserted area. Their

job is to check if anything unusual is occurring.

Want to be sure that no other Aliens come down here.

Tight control on the northern population as these are the toughest

on the planet.

Reason why Scandinavians are kept under tight Taxes and Computer

Control. Because population is relatively scarce and lots of

mountain areas, they do not wish to have any surprises there. Great

if drugs are implemented together with alcohol. Free people is what

they fear the most. So, everyone should be in dread, then they feel

safe! Northern part of Europe is a great place to have command over

this populated continent. Therefore these Bases are important for the

development of our civilization, being Europe the biggest power after

USA.

Plan, Europe must be suppressed or kept down, reason for so many

unnecessary wars in the vicinity.

They wish the destruction of the strong European nucleus. Naturally

the Eur-pean Par-iament is well infiltrated.

Terrorist attacks are a "must". People who are rather well educated

have to be kept in uncertainty, unemployment, drugs and great worries

about diseases.

Most of the plans are made and executed from the Arctic Bases. Here

they find a relatively safe place to operate from.

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Subject: Further News From The Reptilian Lady. June 24, 2000.

Here is the second group of interviews of the Reptilian Lady. I
sort of like her because she doesn't claim to love us all that much.
I figure she would just hit you in the eye if you said the wrong
thing to her. Remember that not all the things she says are true
but they are at least how she looks at things. This interview is
of a Reptilian Lady talking in the German language and then it is
translated into English so some of the information may be lost in the
translating.


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From: DK
Subject: LACERTA FILE: Part 2
I sent the file to Doug Par-ish, it was in German, he translated it
for me.
Here it is!
Best regards,
Jo-i
This translation is 2000 by Doug Par-ish. It may be distributed in
whole, but not in part, as long as all statements remain unchanged. The
translator reserves all rights of translation to himself.
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LACERTA FILE: Part 2

Introduction

I once again reaffirm that the following text is the absolute truth
and is not fiction. It was composed from three original tape
recordings which were made on April 24, 2000 with a tape recorder
during my second interview with the reptilian creature known as
"Lacerta." At Lacerta's request, the original text of 31 pages was
revised and shortened up to deal with some questions and answers. Some
existing questions were partially shortened or amended. It was even
undertaken to extract message and significance from it.
This part of the interview, either not mentioned or not mentioned
completely in the transcript, deals primarily with personal issues,
paranormal demonstrations, the social system of the reptilian species
and alien technology and physics.
The reason for the shifting of the date and time of the second
meeting was a possible observation and surveillance of my own person
after the publication of the first transcript. Although everything
was attempted on the advice of Lacerta to keep my identity a secret,
just two days after the dissemination of the document abroad,
various unusual events took place. Please don't think that I'm
paranoid; however, I believe that the publication of the interview
has drawn either official attention or the attention of some
organization to me. Up until this time, I usually regarded people who
believed that they were being followed by the state to be nothing
more than jokers. But now I have begun to revise my ideas on that
since events in January. It began with a failure of my telephone for
several hours. When the phone became operational once again, there
were quiet echoes and strange clicking and whirring sounds when I
made calls. A defect could (ostensibly) not be found anywhere.
Overnight, important data disappeared from the hard drive in my
computer. The testing program reported "defective sectors" where
strangely enough there were only data which dealt with
illustrations and completed textual material from the interview.
These "defective sectors" also contained material of a paranormal
nature in the field of my research.
(Fortunately, the material was also stored on floppies.) In
addition I discovered by pure chance some hidden data in a likewise
hidden directory index. The name which appeared on the data and the
directory index was "E72UJ." A friend, who is a computer expert,
could not make anything of this designation, and when I was about
to show it to him, the directory index had disappeared. One evening,
my apartment door was standing wide open, my TV set was running--and
I am absolutely confident that I had turned the TV set off.
A minivan with British markings and the imprint of a Europe-wide
supermarket chain parked in front of my house. I noticed the same
minivan again on several occasions traveling at a distance behind
my car, even when I visited the town of XXXXXXXXXXX 65 kilometers
away. When I returned, the car was on the other side of the street
once again. I never saw anyone get into or out of the car. A knock
on the door of the vehicle and on the tinted windows caused no
reaction of any kind. After about two weeks, the minivan disappeared
again. When I informed E.F. personally about these events, he
suggested that I change the place and date of the meeting in order
to assure our own and Lacerta's safety. The meeting took place on
April 27, 2000 in another isolated location. It was unobserved as
far as I can determine.
Once again, all of this may sound strange and paranoid, like a
fantasy from a cheap science fiction film; however, I can only
repeat to and assure the reader once again: all of this is the
unadulterated truth. Believe my words or don't believe them. These
things have happened and they will continue to happen, whether you
believe it or not. Until it is too late. Our civilization is in
danger.
Ole. K.
May 3, 2000

TRANSCRIPT OF THE INTERVIEW (Shortened Version)

Date: April 27, 2000
[Comment by Ole. K.: The meeting began with an appraisal of diverse
questions and opinions which I had gotten from readers of the first
transcript in anonymous fashion through distribution from my trustworthy
friends. Some of these opinions--all together there were over 14 pages of
paper--contained comments shaped by everything from a radically
religious to a fanatical tendency to welcome contact with a reptilian
species. Some of these comments contained stereotypical phrases like
"Servants of H-ll" or "Species of the Evil One." I don't want to go
into any kind of detailed description here since I don't want pass on
further any false and radical realm of thought.

QUESTION: When you read these religious and animosity-ridden comments
here, what do you think and feel then? Is the relationship between
your species and ours really shaped from that kind of total negation?
ANSWER: Does it amaze you that I am not completely angered by that? I
had fully expected those kinds of extreme reactions. The programming
for the utter negation of another species (especially the reptilian
species) as in your own case is deeply embedded in each of your own
individual consciousnesses. This ancient conditioning stems from the
days of your third artificial creation and, biologically speaking, is
passed down as a information genome from generation to generation. The
identification of my species with the powers of darkness was a primary
intention of the Illojiim, who liked seeing themselves in the role of
the powers of light--something which in and of itself represents a
paradox, since that humanoid species was extremely sensitive to your
sunlight. In case you were expecting me to act offended, I guess I'll
have to partially disappoint you. These obscure intentions are not
really your fault; you are simply following for the most part what you
have inherited from your ancestors. It is indeed actually somewhat
disappointing that many of you develop no especially strong individual
self-conscience, for this would help you to overcome the conditioning.
As I already said, we were in direct contact in the last several
centuries with some of your more primitive human tribes; these tribes
had themselves succeeded in breaking through the old "creation
programming;" they were able to meet us without tension, hate and
total rejection. Apparently many of your modern civilized individuals
are not in a position to think on their own, but rather let
themselves be guided by programming and religion (which is also a
manifestation of that ancient programming and part and parcel of the
plan of the Illojiim). Therefore, comments of that kind I'd sooner
regard as amusing than irritating; they simply confirm in large
measure for me my suppositions about your defined mode of thinking.
QUESTION: Therefore, you are not the "Species of the Evil One" as
was remarked earlier?
ANSWER: How am I supposed to answer that? Your people still think
according to a simple and completely inappropriate scheme of
generalizations. Simply put, there are absolutely NO purely evil
species. There exist in every terrestrial and extraterrestrial
species alike both good and evil individuals; it's even true of your
own people; but there is NO such thing as an absolutely evil
species. This conception is really very primitive. You people have
believed from time immemorial what you are supposed to believe--what
was foreseen for you to believe by your creators. Every well-known
species, even the more highly developed ones, consists of a great
number of individual consciousnesses (at least a portion of the
consciousness is individual, even though there are connecting
fields of consciousness); these self-sufficient spirits are able
to decide freely for themselves a lifestyle which is either good
or evil, according to your own human standards. It depends again
on the respective point of view; your people are not necessarily in
a position to judge whether the deeds of a much more highly developed
species are good or evil, because you stand at a lower observation
point, from which an assessment is not possible. Your simple words
"good" and "evil" are in any case examples of a tendency towards
generalization; in my language there are many concepts for the various
shades of meaning of individual behaviors in comparison to the norms
of a society.
Even those extraterrestrial species which are inclined to act with
antagonism towards you are not "Species of the Evil One," even though
they operate negatively with respect to your own race. They do this
for their own reasons and do not regard themselves as evil; were
your structured way of thinking more linear and more focused as theirs
is, then you would also behave in such a fashion. The attitude of a
species towards other kinds of existence naturally depends very
heavily on its respective structured way of thinking; each species
sets its own priorities. To classify that as "good" or "evil" is
really quite primitive, for the survival of any species argues for
many varieties, among them your own, as well as for even the most
varied of the worst or negatively-directed deeds. I won't even
exclude my own kind in this regard, for there have been certain
occurrences in the past which I don't personally welcome, but about
which I would also not like to go into detail. None of these
occurrences have happened in the last 200 years of your time scale.

John F. Winston

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Subject: I'm Out Of Here Soon. June 27, 2000.

If it's you know whose will, I be out of here on Wednesday morning
for a week up at myr property at Mt. Shasta. I'll be back a while
and then go on a couple of days fishing trip on a houseboat then
I'll be going up to a meeting of some friends at South Lake Tahoe
where we will be going out on one of those fancy paddle wheel boats
called "The Tahoe Queen" that has dining and entertainment. It's a
rough life but someone's has to do it.

While at Mt. Shasta I'll be attempting to locate the lady I call
the Redhead who has contact with the people from inside Mt. Shasta.
I will be hoping to see the two books that were given to her
by her 7 feet tall male friends from within the mountain. I'll
also be trying to locate the trail where some of the people from
inside the mountain hang out.

Here's hoping it all goes well.

John Winston.


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