Oh nos! Whatever shall we do?
Nicko
I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
they be available again?
Answer:
Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
http://www2.kelloggs.com/general.aspx?id=3006&terms=eggo
As a cow orker said to me today, "Some people are gonna have it really
rough."
--
YOP...
JR
how much does cow orking pay these days? and do you have to ork the
whole cow, or can you skip the nasty bits? One thing i never want to
have to do is ork a cow's nostril...
Matthew L. Martin
> Question:
>
> I have not been able to find Eggo� waffles in the store. When will
> they be available again?
> Answer:
>
> Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
Matthew
--
I have two granddaughters:
Alex will find a way to silently get from where she is to where she
wants to be.
Anna will make an Anna sized hole between where she is to where she
wants to be.
Piet de Arcilla
> Nicko wrote:
> > Question:
>
> > they be available again?
> > Answer:
>
> > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/cre8ivejuan/LEGO-EGGO-Waffle/00-lego-eggo-waffle.jpg
Mark
>
> - Show quoted text -
Cubism reigns again.
You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
(which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)
http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
---
Mark
RastaBillyBob
End Times, for certain sure. Two years ahead of schedule. And that
propaganda film put out by the government wasted all those FX on
earthquakes and tidal waves...
Otto Bahn
--oTTo--
Mark
> When in doubt, Valerie Bertinelli.
>
> --oTTo--
Aren't you being unfair to Marie Osmond?
---
Mark
Otto Bahn
> When in doubt, Valerie Bertinelli.
<
<Aren't you being unfair to Marie Osmond?
Too Christiany. Plus I'd run Ginger over with a wheat
combine to get to Mary Ann.
--oTTo--
Mark
> "Mark" <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote
She went back to Gilligan's "high"land.
http://www.celebridiot.com/2008/03/11/dawn-wells-arressted-for-marijuna-possession/#axzz0XRcnHH11
---
Mark
Dr. HotSalt
That is NOT COOL on several levels.
However, following links can be fun:
http://io9.com/5394980/how-superman-defeated-the-ku-klux-klan
"...by 1948, people were showing up to Klan rallies just to mock
them."
_That_ is cool.
Dr. HotSalt
Piet de Arcilla
> On Nov 20, 12:14 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 19, 11:08 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" <noth...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
> > > Nicko wrote:
> > > > Question:
>
> > > > I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
> > > > they be available again?
> > > > Answer:
>
> > > > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > > > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > > > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > > > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > > > The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
> > > > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > > > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > > > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> > > Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
>
> > You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Cubism reigns again.
>
> You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
Yes, I think it's ugly.
Mark
> On Nov 20, 8:24 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 12:14 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 19, 11:08 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" <noth...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
> > > > Nicko wrote:
> > > > > Question:
>
> > > > > I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
> > > > > they be available again?
> > > > > Answer:
>
> > > > > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > > > > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > > > > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > > > > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > > > > The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
> > > > > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > > > > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > > > > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> > > > Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
>
> > > You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
>
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Cubism reigns again.
>
> > You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
>
And in many ways so was the cultural
trend toward mechanization and the
industrializaton of society, as a "freeze
frame" analysis of all things was vogue
enough for society to find confidence in
the belief that we had now mastered
perception and...assembly-line
manipulation of all things.
It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
meets Andy Warhol.
---
Mark
Mark
> On Nov 20, 3:18 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 12:47 pm, "Otto Bahn" <e...@eio.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Mark" <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> > > > When in doubt, Valerie Bertinelli.
>
> > > <
> > > <Aren't you being unfair to Marie Osmond?
>
> > > Too Christiany. Plus I'd run Ginger over with a wheat
> > > combine to get to Mary Ann.
>
> > > --oTTo--
>
> > She went back to Gilligan's "high"land.
>
> >http://www.celebridiot.com/2008/03/11/dawn-wells-arressted-for-mariju...
>
> That is NOT COOL on several levels.
My official statement:
Jurisprudence was not exercised, yet,
glad to see her again. Sweet girl.
> However, following links can be fun:
>
> http://io9.com/5394980/how-superman-defeated-the-ku-klux-klan
My official statement:
Preferring to contemplate electric cars or
Taylor Swift over anachronistic hate groups.
> "...by 1948, people were showing up to Klan rallies just to mock
> them."
>
> _That_ is cool.
>
> Dr. HotSalt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark
setting clock back to Tulsa time
Dr. HotSalt
> On Nov 20, 11:35 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 8:24 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 20, 12:14 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 19, 11:08 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" <noth...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
> > > > > Nicko wrote:
> > > > > > Question:
>
> > > > > > I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
> > > > > > they be available again?
> > > > > > Answer:
>
> > > > > > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > > > > > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > > > > > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > > > > > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > > > > > The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
> > > > > > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > > > > > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > > > > > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> > > > > Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
>
> > > > You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
>
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Cubism reigns again.
>
> > > You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> > > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
>
> > Yes, I think it's ugly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> And in many ways so was the cultural
> trend toward mechanization and the
> industrializaton of society, as a "freeze
> frame" analysis of all things was vogue
> enough for society to find confidence in
> the belief that we had now mastered
> perception and...assembly-line
> manipulation of all things.
Complaint* not grokked; "freeze frame analysis" goes back to cave
paintings (ca. 30,000 BCE); nothing to do with mechanization or
industrialization. AIUI the artist claimed some connection to strobe-
lit motion (I wonder where he saw it) presented as layered rather than
successive images. Exact same idea can be seen in some cave paintings
(for which I can't find a link dammit) except the subjects are
somewhat more readily discerned, animals with "too many" legs drawn as
an attempt at indicating motion.
As for mastering perception, I'm almost completely convinced that
cubists (and those who claim to "appreciate" cubism) have something
screwed up in their visual perception apparatus. I've looked at that
painting many times, and I still can't see a nude or even a staircase.
I *think* I see buttcheeks at about three o'clock and approximately
nine-thirty, but that's it for recognizables.
> It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
> meets Andy Warhol.
Nah. More like Harold Edgerton forgot to change the film between
exposures.
*Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
Dr. HotSalt
Mark
> On Nov 21, 2:43 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 11:35 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 20, 8:24 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 20, 12:14 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 19, 11:08 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" <noth...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Nicko wrote:
> > > > > > > Question:
>
> > > > > > > I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
> > > > > > > they be available again?
> > > > > > > Answer:
>
> > > > > > > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > > > > > > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > > > > > > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > > > > > > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > > > > > > The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
> > > > > > > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > > > > > > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > > > > > > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> > > > > > Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
>
> > > > > You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
>
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Cubism reigns again.
>
> > > > You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> > > > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
>
> > > Yes, I think it's ugly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > And in many ways so was the cultural
> > trend toward mechanization and the
> > industrializaton of society, as a "freeze
> > frame" analysis of all things was vogue
> > enough for society to find confidence in
> > the belief that we had now mastered
> > perception and...assembly-line
> > manipulation of all things.
>
> Complaint* not grokked; "freeze frame analysis" goes back to cave
> paintings (ca. 30,000 BCE); nothing to do with mechanization or
> industrialization. AIUI the artist claimed some connection to strobe-
> lit motion (I wonder where he saw it) presented as layered rather than
> successive images. Exact same idea can be seen in some cave paintings
> (for which I can't find a link dammit) except the subjects are
> somewhat more readily discerned, animals with "too many" legs drawn as
> an attempt at indicating motion.
The cave art which is skewed from realism is due
to poor illustration skills. Nothing to due with
cubism.
> As for mastering perception, I'm almost completely convinced that
> cubists (and those who claim to "appreciate" cubism) have something
> screwed up in their visual perception apparatus. I've looked at that
> painting many times, and I still can't see a nude or even a staircase.
> I *think* I see buttcheeks at about three o'clock and approximately
> nine-thirty, but that's it for recognizables.
It's both visceral and cerebral. Knowing the
intention of the artist, and what they are
trying to say, and why it is culturally
significant, all have to mesh, along with
being "vogue", and lastly visually
interesting within the known discipline
of art that encompasses balance,
motion, negative/positive space, color
values etc., all that must work to accomplish
the execution of the properties I just
described at the beginning of this paragraph.
If you want stuff that looks like stuff, then
stick to illustrations.
Or better yet, photography.
Have you tried pornography?
> > It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
> > meets Andy Warhol.
>
> Nah. More like Harold Edgerton forgot to change the film between
> exposures.
>
> *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
I'm professionally qualified to
make shit up.
> Dr. HotSalt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
---
Mark
Nicko
> http://www.celebridiot.com/2008/03/11/dawn-wells-arressted-for-mariju...
It looks like someone ran *Mary Ann* over with a combine.
--
YOP...
Otto Bahn
> > Too Christiany. Plus I'd run Ginger over with a wheat
> > combine to get to Mary Ann.
>
> > --oTTo--
>
> She went back to Gilligan's "high"land.
>
> http://www.celebridiot.com/2008/03/11/dawn-wells-arressted-for-mariju...
<
<It looks like someone ran *Mary Ann* over with a combine.
Age will do that. I was quite young when she was parading around
on TV. I wonder how Ginger aged. She looked like someone who
would end up in the cocaine crowd.
--Tedward
Nicko
Frank Collin's National Socialist Party HQ, Rockwell Hall was a few
blocks from where I grew up on the South Side.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America
When I was a kid in the mid-Seventies I'd go with a few friends and
heckle these idiots at every opportunity, but I'm ashamed to say they
had plenty of supporters in that neighborhood, which was one of the
last white neighborhoods in Chicago proper to resist integration.
Good times in Marquette Park, back then. Simpler times. White
racists starting riots with angry black people marching from the east,
across the historic black/white dividing line of Western Avenue, and
the police indiscriminately beating the fuck out of everyone unlucky
enough to be present.
--
YOP...
Rev. Exo-Skeletal ScalPlan
> If you want stuff that looks like stuff, then
> stick to illustrations.
>
> Or better yet, photography.
>
> Have you tried pornography?
>
> > > It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
> > > meets Andy Warhol.
>
> > Nah. More like Harold Edgerton forgot to change the film between
> > exposures.
>
> > *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
>
> I'm professionally qualified to
> make shit up.
>
> > Dr. HotSalt- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ---
Art, science and cash are there to be INTERPRETED, just like the
passing weather: NEVER all at once. Draw your own conclusions...
Nicko
> "Nicko" <nervous.n...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > > Too Christiany. Plus I'd run Ginger over with a wheat
> > > combine to get to Mary Ann.
>
> > > --oTTo--
>
> > She went back to Gilligan's "high"land.
>
> >http://www.celebridiot.com/2008/03/11/dawn-wells-arressted-for-mariju...
>
> <
> <It looks like someone ran *Mary Ann* over with a combine.
>
> Age will do that.
Yeah, that was a cheap shot, I know.
I was quite young when she was parading around
> on TV. I wonder how Ginger aged. She looked like someone who
> would end up in the cocaine crowd.
She still does:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2007/03/0305_gilligan_getty_wi.jpg
Blows will do that.
--
YOP...
Mark
> She still does:
That's Ginger?
I thought it was David Bowie.
---
Mark
Dr. HotSalt
> On Nov 21, 5:32 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 21, 2:43 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 20, 11:35 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 20, 8:24 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 20, 12:14 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 19, 11:08 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" <noth...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Nicko wrote:
> > > > > > > > Question:
>
> > > > > > > > I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
> > > > > > > > they be available again?
> > > > > > > > Answer:
>
> > > > > > > > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > > > > > > > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > > > > > > > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > > > > > > > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > > > > > > > The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
> > > > > > > > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > > > > > > > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > > > > > > > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> > > > > > > Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
>
> > > > > > You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
>
> > > > > >http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/cre8ivejuan/LEGO-EGGO-Waffle/00-leg...
>
>
> > > > > Cubism reigns again.
>
> > > > > You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> > > > > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
>
> > > > Yes, I think it's ugly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > And in many ways so was the cultural
> > > trend toward mechanization and the
> > > industrializaton of society, as a "freeze
> > > frame" analysis of all things was vogue
> > > enough for society to find confidence in
> > > the belief that we had now mastered
> > > perception and...assembly-line
> > > manipulation of all things.
>
> > Complaint* not grokked; "freeze frame analysis" goes back to cave
> > paintings (ca. 30,000 BCE); nothing to do with mechanization or
> > industrialization. AIUI the artist claimed some connection to strobe-
> > lit motion (I wonder where he saw it) presented as layered rather than
> > successive images. Exact same idea can be seen in some cave paintings
> > (for which I can't find a link dammit) except the subjects are
> > somewhat more readily discerned, animals with "too many" legs drawn as
> > an attempt at indicating motion.
>
> The cave art which is skewed from realism is due
> to poor illustration skills.
You know this how?
> Nothing to due with cubism.
Hmm... "poor illustration skills"...
> > As for mastering perception, I'm almost completely convinced that
> > cubists (and those who claim to "appreciate" cubism) have something
> > screwed up in their visual perception apparatus. I've looked at that
> > painting many times, and I still can't see a nude or even a staircase.
> > I *think* I see buttcheeks at about three o'clock and approximately
> > nine-thirty, but that's it for recognizables.
>
> It's both visceral and cerebral. Knowing the
> intention of the artist, and what they are
> trying to say, and why it is culturally
> significant, all have to mesh, along with
> being "vogue", and lastly visually
> interesting within the known discipline
> of art that encompasses balance,
> motion, negative/positive space, color
> values etc., all that must work to accomplish
> the execution of the properties I just
> described at the beginning of this paragraph.
Sounds like bullshit to me. I look at the damn thing and I can't
figure out WTF it is supposed to represent DESPITE having previously
seen both nudes and staircases AND knowing what the artist allegedly
intended it to represent.
Personally I go with the "explosion in a shingle factory" review it
once got.
> If you want stuff that looks like stuff, then
> stick to illustrations.
>
> Or better yet, photography.
See, here's my problem with "Art" in general, and cubism in
particular. If I am expected to view it as an "expression" of the
artist's perception, why should I care? I see it the same as when I am
expected to respect the opinions of "students" or children; trouble is
that they have no experience, much less _my_ experience of the world.
How is their opinion equivalent to mine, much less _better than mine_
which is always implied when a mob of them get their panties in a
twist (usually reflecting their professors'/parents' political
attitudes)?
Oh, yeah; GOML!
> Have you tried pornography?
Don't even get me started on "representational porn".
> > > It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
> > > meets Andy Warhol.
>
> > Nah. More like Harold Edgerton forgot to change the film between
> > exposures.
>
> > *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
>
> I'm professionally qualified to
> make shit up.
You mean, like the last couple of posts, right?
Dr. HotSalt
Dr. HotSalt
She's ~ 13 years older than he is.
Dr. HotSalt
Mark Edwards
> I have not been able to find Eggo waffles in the store.
Seems like my freezer is half filled with them. Now that I have to watch
my diet, it may take years to finish them.
Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request
Dr. HotSalt
> Somebody wrote:
> > I have not been able to find Eggo waffles in the store.
>
> Seems like my freezer is half filled with them. Now that I have to watch
> my diet, it may take years to finish them.
Wow, their street value can only go up until the plant goes back
online. This must be liek hitting the lottery! What kind of lock do
you have on your freezer?
Dr. HotSalt
Divine Ma-Schematic
that makes no sense... whatsoever ... are you psychotic? or did you
lift that from someone else?
Rev. Exo-Skeletal ScalPlan
are you on drugs? please make yourself meaningful, or go away!
Dr. HotSalt
What part did you fail to understand?
Why should I care?
Dr. HotSalt
Dr. HotSalt
wrote:
> On Nov 22, 3:54 am, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 21, 8:20 pm, Mark Edwards <Mark-Edwa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Somebody wrote:
> > > > I have not been able to find Eggo waffles in the store.
>
> > > Seems like my freezer is half filled with them. Now that I have to watch
> > > my diet, it may take years to finish them.
>
> > Wow, their street value can only go up until the plant goes back
> > online. This must be liek hitting the lottery! What kind of lock do
> > you have on your freezer?
>
No.
> please make yourself meaningful
No.
> or go away!
No.
Dr. Hot"thank me for my co-öperation"Salt
Mark Edwards
No cluons were harmed when Dr. HotSalt wrote:
>Wow, their street value can only go up until the plant goes back
>online. This must be liek hitting the lottery! What kind of lock do
>you have on your freezer?
One of those kinds that let ships travel upstream.
Mark Edwards
>that makes no sense... whatsoever ... are you psychotic? or did you
>lift that from someone else?
There are differences between a psychopath, a sociopath and a neuropath:
A psychopath doesn't know that the bad things he does are wrong.
A sociopath knows the bad things are wrong, but either doesn't care or
takes great joy in doing them if they cause discomfort for other people.
A neuropath is able to access your neural network to cause you
indescribable pain, but has no feelings about it one way or another.
Then there are the Jello-paths.
Mark Edwards
>are you on drugs? please make yourself meaningful, or go away!
I had a full meany once, but it kept making me cry. BTW, I think he's only
using the good drugs.
Mark
First of all, we can't just say, cave
paintings. We have to specify exactly
where the location is, and what the
provenance is, then take what is known
about the indigenous people from that
era, their culture, and the carbon dated
age or recognizeable motifs known from
that era.
> > Nothing to due with cubism.
>
> Hmm... "poor illustration skills"...
Precisely. Primitive art.
>
>
> > > As for mastering perception, I'm almost completely convinced that
> > > cubists (and those who claim to "appreciate" cubism) have something
> > > screwed up in their visual perception apparatus. I've looked at that
> > > painting many times, and I still can't see a nude or even a staircase.
> > > I *think* I see buttcheeks at about three o'clock and approximately
> > > nine-thirty, but that's it for recognizables.
>
> > It's both visceral and cerebral. Knowing the
> > intention of the artist, and what they are
> > trying to say, and why it is culturally
> > significant, all have to mesh, along with
> > being "vogue", and lastly visually
> > interesting within the known discipline
> > of art that encompasses balance,
> > motion, negative/positive space, color
> > values etc., all that must work to accomplish
> > the execution of the properties I just
> > described at the beginning of this paragraph.
>
> Sounds like bullshit to me. I look at the damn thing and I can't
> figure out WTF it is supposed to represent DESPITE having previously
> seen both nudes and staircases AND knowing what the artist allegedly
> intended it to represent.
But if you were educated in art and the various
movements, i.e., impressionism, surrealism,
cubism, pointillism, post-impressionism, modern,
post-modern, etc, etc, and...what exactly seperates
art from kitsch, then you would understand.
When you watch a rocket take off, do you know
mathematically why it doesn't go too far left or right?
Unless someone explained it, I would think not.
Nothing wrong with that.
But unlike rockets, art is made for *everyone* to
look at, and have their own experience. To draw
a reaction is the purpose.
And like wine, if it costs $10,000 a bottle, and you
think it tastes like crap... don't buy it. And if
you like the new 7 -11 mini-mart wine, then pick
up a case.
Art is fun. You don't have to do anything you
don't want to. The only stressful part of art is
when the gallery owners and auction houses
decide that your pieces are worthless, until
after you die.
> Personally I go with the "explosion in a shingle factory" review it
> once got.
>
> > If you want stuff that looks like stuff, then
> > stick to illustrations.
>
> > Or better yet, photography.
>
> See, here's my problem with "Art" in general, and cubism in
> particular. If I am expected to view it as an "expression" of the
> artist's perception, why should I care?
I don't know, unless the leading authorities and
public have become enamored with a style and
it's all the rage, so...your curiosity wants to know
why, and how.
>I see it the same as when I am
> expected to respect the opinions of "students" or children; trouble is
> that they have no experience, much less _my_ experience of the world.
Respect given for respect due. An historian of
many papers and member of a professional
society will usually have a perspective which
is in line with education, and these types of
individuals read and write the books which
fall in line with the awareness of the collective
knowledge thru time and multiple observers.
I take note of what they say differently than what
a pimple faced teenager says.
> How is their opinion equivalent to mine, much less _better than mine_
> which is always implied when a mob of them get their panties in a
> twist (usually reflecting their professors'/parents' political
> attitudes)?
I don't know. I avoid kids.
> Oh, yeah; GOML!
>
> > Have you tried pornography?
>
> Don't even get me started on "representational porn".
>
> > > > It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
> > > > meets Andy Warhol.
>
> > > Nah. More like Harold Edgerton forgot to change the film between
> > > exposures.
>
> > > *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
>
> > I'm professionally qualified to
> > make shit up.
>
> You mean, like the last couple of posts, right?
All you gotta do is take what I say, then look up
an official explanation in a credible professional
or historical source, and match the similarities.
> Dr. HotSalt-
For what it's worth...there's more crap out
there called art, than there is art called crap.
Jackson Pollack made one great work of art.
After that he was just copying himself and
it ceased to be art.
---
Mark
David DeLaney
>It's both visceral and cerebral. Knowing the
>intention of the artist, and what they are
>trying to say, and why it is culturally
>significant, all have to mesh, along with
>being "vogue", and lastly visually
>interesting within the known discipline
>of art that encompasses balance,
>motion, negative/positive space, color
>values etc., all that must work to accomplish
>forgotten since the beginning of this paragraph.
I've fixed your exposition for you.
Also: LEARN TO SNIP TEH TEXT THAT NO LONGER IT NEEDS TO BE QUOTEDNESS! sheesh
>Have you tried pornography?
No thanks, I just had one.
>> *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
>
>I'm professionally qualified to make shit up.
We have to maintain STANDARDS around here, you know.
Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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David DeLaney
>Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > You've seen =A0"Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
>> > > > > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)
> Sounds like bullshit to me. I look at the damn thing and I can't
>figure out WTF it is supposed to represent DESPITE having previously
>seen both nudes and staircases AND knowing what the artist allegedly
>intended it to represent.
>
> Personally I go with the "explosion in a shingle factory" review it once got.
Does knowing that he was partly trollerating the existing art world help any?
>> Have you tried pornography?
>
> Don't even get me started on "representational porn".
You're talking about the pop-up books, right?
Dave "or maybe the Choose Your Own Adventure ones?" DeLaney
David DeLaney
>No cluons were harmed when Divine Ma-Schematic wrote:
>>that makes no sense... whatsoever ... are you psychotic? or did you
>>lift that from someone else?
>
>There are differences between a psychopath, a sociopath and a neuropath:
...one uses a needle, one a laser, and one a magnetic read head?
>A psychopath doesn't know that the bad things he does are wrong.
>
>A sociopath knows the bad things are wrong, but either doesn't care or
>takes great joy in doing them if they cause discomfort for other people.
>
>A neuropath is able to access your neural network to cause you
>indescribable pain, but has no feelings about it one way or another.
...oh, okay.
>Then there are the Jello-paths.
Dave "weep, weep for Bill Cosby" DeLaney
Mark
A sociopath knows the bad things are wrong, but doesn't
care and is mildly amused.
A psychopath also knows the bad things are wrong, but
is extremely amused.
A cartpath will get you from the tee-box to the green,
but it's faster to cut across the fairway.
---
Mark
Mark
> Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >It's both visceral and cerebral. Knowing the
> >intention of the artist, and what they are
> >trying to say, and why it is culturally
> >significant, all have to mesh, along with
> >being "vogue", and lastly visually
> >interesting within the known discipline
> >of art that encompasses balance,
> >motion, negative/positive space, color
> >values etc., all that must work to accomplish
> >the execution of the properties I've just
> >forgotten since the beginning of this paragraph.
>
> I've fixed your exposition for you.
that's funny
> Also: LEARN TO SNIP TEH TEXT THAT NO LONGER IT NEEDS TO BE
QUOTEDNESS! sheesh
my computer snips mine for me
> >Have you tried pornography?
>
> No thanks, I just had one.
>
> >> *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
>
> >I'm professionally qualified to make shit up.
>
> We have to maintain STANDARDS around here, you know.
And by "make shit up", I mean...somewhirl in my
photogenic mammary, I seam to recall this data
from some institution I either matriculated to or
was thrown out of for political reasons.
---
Mark
Mark Edwards
>The only stressful part of art is when the gallery owners and auction
> houses decide that your pieces are worthless, until after you die.
I hate it when that happens to me. Ressurection HURTS.
Mark Edwards
> to or was thrown out of for political reasons.
Screaming "Jesus was framed!" in a 'foundations of Christianity' class was
probably a bad idea.
Adam Funk
> Frank Collin's National Socialist Party HQ, Rockwell Hall was a few
> blocks from where I grew up on the South Side.
What, no Blues Brothers reference?
--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?
Dr. HotSalt
(snippage for DeLaney's sake, and now that I've SCREWED UP THE
ATTRIBUTIONS, I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY!)
> > > > > > > You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
>
> > > > > > Yes, I think it's ugly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > And in many ways so was the cultural
> > > > > trend toward mechanization and the
> > > > > industrializaton of society, as a "freeze
> > > > > frame" analysis of all things was vogue
> > > > > enough for society to find confidence in
> > > > > the belief that we had now mastered
> > > > > perception and...assembly-line
> > > > > manipulation of all things.
>
> > > > Complaint not grokked; "freeze frame analysis" goes back to cave
> > > > paintings (ca. 30,000 BCE); nothing to do with mechanization or
> > > > industrialization. AIUI the artist claimed some connection to strobe-
> > > > lit motion (I wonder where he saw it) presented as layered rather than
> > > > successive images. Exact same idea can be seen in some cave paintings
> > > > (for which I can't find a link dammit) except the subjects are
> > > > somewhat more readily discerned, animals with "too many" legs drawn as
> > > > an attempt at indicating motion.
BTW that last bit isn't just my opinion; it's shared by one Bob
Thomas, who wrote _The Art Of Animation_ for Disney studios.
Now, I don't know if you consider "Beauty and the Beast" to be High
Art...
> > > The cave art which is skewed from realism is due
> > > to poor illustration skills.
BTW Picasso said of the art at Altamira, Spain:
"After Altamira, all is decadence. We have learned nothing in twelve
thousand years."
Also:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2006/jun/06/art
> > You know this how?
>
> First of all, we can't just say, cave
> paintings. We have to specify exactly
> where the location is
In caves. Dur.
Actually, worldwide.
> and what the provenance is
Found on cave walls. Dur.
> then take what is known
> about the indigenous people from that
> era,
Damn near nothing, and much of it implied from the paintings.
> their culture,
See immediately above.
Try to keep in mind that the paintings come from before the
invention of writing, agriculture, what we like to call "civilization"
as manifested in semi-permanent constructions, and so on.
It is seriously considered that many paintings weren't even done by
_humans_. That is, some are thought to have been done by Cro-Magnon or
even Neandertals.
> and the carbon dated
> age or recognizeable motifs known from
> that era.
Recognizable motifs = the cave paintings. Very few other artifacts
unambiguously associated with the artists.
> > > Nothing to due with cubism.
>
> > Hmm... "poor illustration skills"...
>
> Precisely. Primitive art.
From:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/14/AR2006121401459.html
"Around [1940], another of Curtis's obsessive scholars, a Frenchman
named Max Raphael, went on the attack. The ethnographic approach of
Breuil and Cartailhac was off the mark, Raphael charged; we must take
an art historical approach and look at the cave paintings in terms of
pictorial space. In Altamira, for example, what seemed a bunch of
random figures was actually a single composition precisely grouped
around a central axis. What's more, to call cave art "primitive" was
plain ridiculous. The culture of the Paleolithic era, "in the throes
of a continuous process of transformation," was every bit as dynamic
as ancient Greece or Rome, claimed Raphael, and this is reflected in
the cave art"
Also, from:
http://donsmaps.com/chauvetcave.html
http://donsmaps.com/images/runningbison.jpg
(that's the one that immediately came to mind; there are others)
"Running Bison. The artist has shown movement by drawing extra legs.
"
"A string of three chambers, 1,700 feet long, as well as one
connecting gallery and three vestibules, are all covered with
masterworks breathtaking in their use of perspective (as in
overlapping mammoths) and shading, techniques that were supposedly not
invented until millenniums later. And eons before Seurat got the idea
Stone Age artists had invented pointillism: one animal, probably a
bison, is composed of nothing but red dots."
http://donsmaps.com/images3/chauvethands.jpg
http://donsmaps.com/images3/chauvethandscomp.jpg
If appreciation of it requires an in-depth education in the subject,
it isn't for everyone. Worse, it requires me to adopt somebody else's
opinions.
> When you watch a rocket take off, do you know
> mathematically why it doesn't go too far left or right?
Actually, yes. I also know intuitively why it is beautiful. The one
is not dependent on the other, nor does one prevent the other from
occurring in my mind.
> Unless someone explained it, I would think not.
> Nothing wrong with that.
Projecting, are we?
> But unlike rockets, art is made for *everyone* to
> look at, and have their own experience. To draw
> a reaction is the purpose.
That you react to cave art by calling it "primitive" is more
revealing of the depth and efficacy of your art education than of
mine*.
> And like wine, if it costs $10,000 a bottle, and you
> think it tastes like crap... don't buy it. And if
> you like the new 7 -11 mini-mart wine, then pick
> up a case.
I don't drink....wine.
> Art is fun. You don't have to do anything you
> don't want to. The only stressful part of art is
> when the gallery owners and auction houses
> decide that your pieces are worthless, until
> after you die.
New school; Zombie Art!
> > Personally I go with the "explosion in a shingle factory" review it
> > once got.
>
> > > If you want stuff that looks like stuff, then
> > > stick to illustrations.
Most illustrators can at least see. If you can't see, you can't
draw. And yes, I happen to have some education in both art and
"illustrating".
Cave painters could _see_.
> > > Or better yet, photography.
Oh, right, denigrate photography as if it isn't art.
> > See, here's my problem with "Art" in general, and cubism in
> > particular. If I am expected to view it as an "expression" of the
> > artist's perception, why should I care?
>
> I don't know, unless the leading authorities and
> public have become enamored with a style and
> it's all the rage, so...your curiosity wants to know
> why, and how.
Problem with "authorities" is they get stuck in the rut of whoever
has the most clout. So when you say "authorities" you actually mean
some clown who has imposed his opinion on everyone else "who matters".
The public likes cartoons. Not "animation", but cartoons.
The TV programming with the highest consistent ratings is the output
of World Wrestling Entertainment. Watch a couple "episodes" of Raw or
Smackdown and notice the comic-book atmosphere of brightly-colored
costuming, declarative-sentence-heavy dialogue, and simplistic
"plotting"; hell, most everybody even manages to stride around with
their feet at least 4 feet apart!
That may not be the "public" you had in mind, but the Art World is
NOT the whole world. It isn't even a representational cross-section of
any significant fraction of the total population. That's part of my
issue with artsy-fartsy types. They have managed to convince
themselves that they are somehow elevated above the hoi-polloi in
their refinement of p[erceptions and such crap, when ISTM that they
simply have a miswiring in their visual apparatus that allows them to
"appreciate" such hideousnesses as Cubism.
> >I see it the same as when I am
> > expected to respect the opinions of "students" or children; trouble is
> > that they have no experience, much less _my_ experience of the world.
>
> Respect given for respect due. An historian of
> many papers and member of a professional
> society will usually have a perspective which
> is in line with education, and these types of
> individuals read and write the books which
> fall in line with the awareness of the collective
> knowledge thru time and multiple observers.
It's still an ingrown, inbred discipline with little connection to
the rest of the world. Where is Art's analysis of how the human
optical system, from retina to optic cortex to associative machinery
in the neocortex, sees implied motion in a static drawing? Oh, wait,
Art is a "soft science"... no, it's not a science at all.
> I take note of what they say differently than what
> a pimple faced teenager says.
Oh, dear, didn't you know that "all opinions are equal"?
> > How is their opinion equivalent to mine, much less _better than mine_
> > which is always implied when a mob of them get their panties in a
> > twist (usually reflecting their professors'/parents' political
> > attitudes)?
>
> I don't know. I avoid kids.
Bless you.
> > Oh, yeah; GOML!
>
> > > Have you tried pornography?
>
> > Don't even get me started on "representational porn".
>
> > > > > It's Thomas Edison and Henry Ford
> > > > > meets Andy Warhol.
>
> > > > Nah. More like Harold Edgerton forgot to change the film between
> > > > exposures.
>
> > > > *Where did you crib that from? Sounds very artsy-fartsy.
>
> > > I'm professionally qualified to
> > > make shit up.
>
> > You mean, like the last couple of posts, right?
>
> All you gotta do is take what I say, then look up
> an official explanation in a credible professional
> or historical source, and match the similarities.
I did; there are few.
> For what it's worth...there's more crap out
> there called art, than there is art called crap.
Obviously. Trouble is, one generation declares last generation's
"art" to be "crap"
> Jackson Pollack made one great work of art.
Who?
*Did that sound just like a REAL snarky art critic, or do was it too
unsubtle?
Dr. HotSalt
Dr. HotSalt
> Dr. HotSalt <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > You've seen =A0"Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> >> > > > > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)
> >> > > > Yes, I think it's ugly.
> ...
> > Sounds like bullshit to me. I look at the damn thing and I can't
> >figure out WTF it is supposed to represent DESPITE having previously
> >seen both nudes and staircases AND knowing what the artist allegedly
> >intended it to represent.
>
> > Personally I go with the "explosion in a shingle factory" review it once got.
>
> Does knowing that he was partly trollerating the existing art world help any?
No, that makes it WORSERER.
> >> Have you tried pornography?
>
> > Don't even get me started on "representational porn".
>
> You're talking about the pop-up books, right?
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2009/06/transformers-has-actual-robot-testicles#
> Dave "or maybe the Choose Your Own Adventure ones?" DeLaney
Haven't seen those. Any recommendations?
Dr. HotSalt
Dr. HotSalt
>
> > On Nov 21, 8:20 pm, Mark Edwards <Mark-Edwa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Somebody wrote:
> > > > I have not been able to find Eggo waffles in the store.
>
> > > Seems like my freezer is half filled with them. Now that I have to watch
> > > my diet, it may take years to finish them.
>
> > Wow, their street value can only go up until the plant goes back
> > online. This must be liek hitting the lottery! What kind of lock do
> > you have on your freezer?
>
>
> lift that from someone else?
Thank you; high praise indeed. No, it's all mine MINE I TELL YOU!
Dr. HotSalt
Mark
(angry, rambling arguement snipped)
> Dr. HotSalt
The cave art from ancient Tibet is totally
different from that in France. Different caves,
different artist, different abilities and approaches.
Art is man's attempt to find meaning in existence.
If it doesn't do that, it isn't art.
Have a nice day.
---
Mark
Bryce Utting
>>There are differences between a psychopath, a sociopath and a neuropath:
>
> ...one uses a needle, one a laser, and one a magnetic read head?
nope; a feather, a chicken, and a burning magnesium Giger sculpture.
butting
--
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting
All recipes for Australian wildlife, deer included, begin with
"Carefully remove the venom sac..."
-- Mark Edwards
David DeLaney
>But if you were educated in art and the various
>movements, i.e., impressionism, surrealism,
>cubism, pointillism, post-impressionism, modern,
>post-modern, etc, etc, and...what exactly seperates
>art from kitsch, then you would understand.
>
>When you watch a rocket take off, do you know
>mathematically why it doesn't go too far left or right?
Generally, yes.
...Wait, so you're saying primitive art is ROCKET SCIENCE?
>But unlike rockets, art is made for *everyone* to look at,
So are ROCKETS. Duh.
>Art is fun. You don't have to do anything you don't want to.
Impressionist Barbie says "art class is HARD".
>> =A0 You mean, like the last couple of posts, right?
>
>All you gotta do is take what I say, then look up
>an official explanation in a credible professional
>or historical source, and match the smilies.
IFYEFY.
>Jackson Pollack made one great work of art.
>After that he was just copying himself and
>it ceased to be art.
But when Andy Warhol did that, it was GREAT art!
Dave
David DeLaney
>On Nov 22, 6:13�am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>(snippage for DeLaney's sake, and now that I've SCREWED UP THE
>ATTRIBUTIONS, I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY!)
... I'll be in mah bunk.
> Now, I don't know if you consider "Beauty and the Beast" to be High Art...
I thought 2001 was the High Art requirement?
>> First of all, we can't just say, cave
>> paintings. We have to specify exactly where the location is
>
> In caves. Dur.
Well. I suppose some could be ON caves. Or under them.
> Actually, worldwide.
"The world is a cave / The cave is the world / of entertaaaaaainment!"
>> and what the provenance is
>
> Found on cave walls. Dur.
Caveat emptor.
>> then take what is worn
>> by the indigenous people from that era,
>
> Damn near nothing, and much of it implied from the paintings.
I've tweaked this to better express the layman's point of view.
> It is seriously considered that many paintings weren't even done by
>_humans_. That is, some are thought to have been done by Cro-Magnon or
>even Neandertals.
HEY! Neandertals were as human as many of the people you meet (or meat) on
the subway!
>And eons before Seurat got the idea
>Stone Age artists had invented pointillism: one animal, probably a
>bison, is composed of nothing but red dots."
"I regret to inform you that your guinea pig has measles. Love, Caveman Billy's
Mom." "MOOOOOM! It's a MASTODON! Geez!"
>> Art is fun. You don't have to do anything you
>> don't want to. The only stressful part of art is
>> when the gallery owners and auction houses
>> decide that your pieces are worthless, until
>> after you die.
>
> New school; Zombie Art!
plaaaaaaanes! fraaaaaaaames!
>> I take note of what they say differently than what
>> a pimple faced teenager says.
>
> Oh, dear, didn't you know that "all opinions are equal"?
must ... resist ... impulse to insert ... "informed"...
David DeLaney
>On Nov 22, 3:03�am, d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
>> Does knowing that he was partly trollerating the existing art world help any?
>
> No, that makes it WORSERER.
Good!
>> > �Don't even get me started on "representational porn".
>
>> Dave "or maybe the Choose Your Own Adventure ones?" DeLaney
>
> Haven't seen those. Any recommendations?
Oh no you don't sir. They are Choose Your OWN!
Dave
David DeLaney
>David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote:
>>>There are differences between a psychopath, a sociopath and a neuropath:
>>
>> ...one uses a needle, one a laser, and one a magnetic read head?
>
>nope; a feather, a chicken, and a burning magnesium Giger sculpture.
I am intrigued by the formation of your art and/or architecture scholium and
wish to subscirbe to your journal's Photoshopped RSS feed.
Dave "please include picture of dances" DeLaney
Dr. HotSalt
> On Nov 22, 1:45 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
IFYdismissalFY
> The cave art from ancient Tibet is totally
> different from that in France. Different caves,
> different artist, different abilities and approaches.
So, because Picasso didn't vet the art in Tibet, it's "primitive"?
> Art is man's attempt to find meaning in existence.
That's one definition.
> If it doesn't do that, it isn't art.
According to that particular definition.
> Have a nice day.
I'm good so far. You?
Dr. HotSalt
Mark
> Dr. HotSalt
No curry for you.
No art for you.
Bask in global warming. Yes, it's real too.
---
Mark
Mark
> Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >But if you were educated in art and the various
> >movements, i.e., impressionism, surrealism,
> >cubism, pointillism, post-impressionism, modern,
> >post-modern, etc, etc, and...what exactly seperates
> >art from kitsch, then you would understand.
>
> >When you watch a rocket take off, do you know
> >mathematically why it doesn't go too far left or right?
>
> Generally, yes.
Oh? Then do you have any tips on
reaching orbital velocity? Right now
I'm using liquid oxygen and kerosene, but
it's running rough.
---
Commander Mark and the lost planet airmen
Mark Edwards
Well there's your problem.
To reach orbital velocity you should be using bourbon and kerosene, which
is why there are so few amateur astronauts.
Mark-drinkin-the-fuel-Edwards
Mark
Thanks much.
<thinking>
Are you using 2 or 3 stages?
Have you had any problem with accidently
knocking off tiles?
---
Mark
just john
For that last bit, I find holding the launch OUTDOORS helps tremendously.
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Mark
>
> - Show quoted text -
This group is a plethora of knowledge and a
virtual cornucopia of useable wisdom.
---
Mark
Mark Edwards
>This group is a plethora of knowledge and a virtual cornucopia of
> useable wisdom.
Oh. Then we're failing miserably.
Mark Edwards
Piet de Arcilla
> A sociopath knows the bad things are wrong, but doesn't
> care and is mildly amused.
>
> A psychopath also knows the bad things are wrong, but
> is extremely amused.
>
> A cartpath will get you from the tee-box to the green,
> but it's faster to cut across the fairway.
Would you mind changing your name? There are too many Marks around.
Mark
I was gonna, but when I did it in
another group the new name only
appears on a new post, after that
the old name keeps appearing
whenever I respond to anyone,
like...your computer has a Mark
cookie or something.
---
Mark
David DeLaney
...bang the LOX together, guys.
Dave "knock knock knockin' on hea-ven's dooooor" DeLaney
Mark Edwards
>Would you mind changing your name? There are too many Marks around.
We're marking 'The Spot'. Poor Spot.
Otto Bahn
>> I have not been able to find Eggo waffles in the store.
>
> Seems like my freezer is half filled with them. Now that I have to watch
> my diet, it may take years to finish them.
I always watch my diet -- eating with your eyes closed can
be unpleasant and/or dangerous.
--oTTo--
Mark
> I always watch my mirror -- sex with your eyes closed can
> be unpleasant and/or dangerous.
>
> --oTTo--
ifypfy
--
Mark
Otto Bahn
<Art is man's attempt to find meaning in existence.
<If it doesn't do that, it isn't art.
Art for art's sake isn't art!
--oTTo--
Otto Bahn
>>Would you mind changing your name? There are too many Marks around.
>
> We're marking 'The Spot'. Poor Spot.
My ex marks the spot.
--oTTo--
Otto Bahn
> I always watch my monitor -- sex with your eyes closed can
> be unpleasant and/or dangerous.
<
<ifypfy
IFYPornFY.
--oTTo--
Dr. HotSalt
Oh, here we go again.
I already DID change my nym, but not because there were "too many
Marks".
And, BTW, why the hell did you change your name? It doesn't seem to
me that there were too damn many dear-anythings.
Dr. Hot"AKA Mark L. Fergerson"Salt
Mark
> "Mark" <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote
That is an absolutely true statement.
Art for the sake of art...would be, craft, hobby,
or...design, illustration, manufacturing inventory
to sell, etc.
---
Mark
Mark
By the way, your research on cave art
didn't go unread and you had many valid
points, but it was going to lead into a
protracted discussion of values and I've
really got to work on "the thing".
Also, anytime anyone does "art" and it
comes from deep inside themselves, then
that quality often produces a validity...such
is found in 20,000 yr.old cave graffiti. The
"art" value is there. I just said it was more
accidental than the calculations of cubists
who were trying to make a visual statement
which was born as a reaction to industrialism.
No offense or snobbery intended.
---
Mark
---
Mark
Otto Bahn
> <Art is man's attempt to find meaning in existence.
> <If it doesn't do that, it isn't art.
>
> Art for art's sake isn't art!
<
<That is an absolutely true statement.
<Art for the sake of art...would be, craft, hobby,
<or...design, illustration, manufacturing inventory
<to sell, etc.
Teakettle does teakettle for teakettle's sake.
--oTTo--
just john
The teakettle population has to be maintained!
Otto Bahn
>>> <Art is man's attempt to find meaning in existence.
>>> <If it doesn't do that, it isn't art.
>>>
>>> Art for art's sake isn't art!
>> <
>> <That is an absolutely true statement.
>> <Art for the sake of art...would be, craft, hobby,
>> <or...design, illustration, manufacturing inventory
>> <to sell, etc.
>>
>> Teakettle does teakettle for teakettle's sake.
>
> The teakettle population has to be maintained!
While I applaud their liberal attitudes towards teh sexxors,
they are all dispicable homophones so some of us would NOT BE
ALLOWED! Plus that whole teabagging thing is an accident just
waiting to happen.
We must resist our teakettle overlords.
--oTTo--
Dr. HotSalt
> On Nov 23, 1:09 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 22, 8:59 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 22, 9:19 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > A sociopath knows the bad things are wrong, but doesn't
> > > > care and is mildly amused.
>
> > > > A psychopath also knows the bad things are wrong, but
> > > > is extremely amused.
>
> > > > A cartpath will get you from the tee-box to the green,
> > > > but it's faster to cut across the fairway.
>
> > > Would you mind changing your name? There are too many Marks around.
>
> > Oh, here we go again.
>
> > I already DID change my nym, but not because there were "too many
> > Marks".
>
> > And, BTW, why the hell did you change your name? It doesn't seem to
> > me that there were too damn many dear-anythings.
>
> > Dr. Hot"AKA Mark L. Fergerson"Salt
>
> By the way, your research on cave art
> didn't go unread and you had many valid
> points, but it was going to lead into a
> protracted discussion of values and I've
> really got to work on "the thing".
Um, well, see, most of that came from Nurse HotSalt's (my wife, you
see) research for her Communications Class, part of obtaining her
Pointy-Hai^H^H^Business Admin degree from Grand Canyon University, a
Christian Institution Of Higher Learning. She thought using cave
paintings, possibly done by pre-humans, was a fun example to use for
the class.
As for valid points, I thought the Picasso quote was hysterical-
making. As in, it made me laugh hysterically. I'm still giggling liek
littul gurl about it right now!
> Also, anytime anyone does "art" and it
> comes from deep inside themselves, then
> that quality often produces a validity...such
A "validity"? Please.
> is found in 20,000 yr.old cave graffiti. The
> "art" value is there. I just said it was more
> accidental than the calculations of cubists
> who were trying to make a visual statement
> which was born as a reaction to industrialism.
Yeah, well, problem is that analyzing specific forms of art for what
they're reacting to according to specific elements they contain can be
misleading- that was my whole point. If you analyze the cave art by
the same criteria, it's also obviously reacting against
industrialization etc.
Besides, there just isn't that much cubicality in industry, except
for the overall architecture of industrial buildings. The machinery
that makes stuff has all sorts of sexy curves and stuff. If the
jaggedness of most cubist art is supposed to imply what the artists
see as characteristic forms related to industry, I'd like to know
where the hell they saw stuff like that.
> No offense or snobbery intended.
Then you're poasting to the wrong grope!
Dr. HotSalt
Piet de Arcilla
Mark
Yes, a validity. See, you are a relativist.
I am an absolutist. There are boundries
to disciplines which have to be met
same as math.
Relativists tend to be atheists.
Absolutists tend to believe in historical dieties.
Relatives often vote democratic.
Absolutists often vote republican.
> > is found in 20,000 yr.old cave graffiti. The
> > "art" value is there. I just said it was more
> > accidental than the calculations of cubists
> > who were trying to make a visual statement
> > which was born as a reaction to industrialism.
>
> Yeah, well, problem is that analyzing specific forms of art for what
> they're reacting to according to specific elements they contain can be
> misleading- that was my whole point.
But I never said or implied that. In fact, when an
artist is becoming recognized, the beginning of
their trial under fire is the explanation process.
So that's how we know what they meant, and
how...they told us.
Cave paintings, a little harder. But as an absolutist,
we learn how to discern based on the evidence.
Yes, I suppose there's the Monday morning
quarterbacks too, but early in the process it
is unavoidable that the artist will have to explain
himself, and his intentions. Always. And from
that, the concepts have spread, and other artists
try their version of the "philosophical concept"
which drives the artist to choose that particular
material, or style, as they try to put their own
version of the interpretive form.
> If you analyze the cave art by
> the same criteria, it's also obviously reacting against
> industrialization etc.
But you don't. See above.
> Besides, there just isn't that much cubicality in industry, except
> for the overall architecture of industrial buildings.
"Cubism" is just a word. The movement contains
many shapes, all of which are distilled from life
down to geometric patterns, which encompass
art elements of balance, shape, flow, etc.
>The machinery
> that makes stuff has all sorts of sexy curves and stuff. If the
> jaggedness of most cubist art is supposed to imply what the artists
> see as characteristic forms related to industry, I'd like to know
> where the hell they saw stuff like that.
Oh, it's there if you look. Alsothis, you can
use this same process of "distillation" and
apply it to any form of art. Music, Dance too.
Likewise, Gershwin produced music back
in the day that sounded like traffic noises,
but it was beautifully emeshed within the
proper boundries of his medium to produce...
Art. His was a statement on modern life too.
> > No offense or snobbery intended.
>
> Then you're poasting to the wrong grope!
Oh, well then I feel much better.
If I was any more gifted, I'd have to
wear a bow.
---
Mark
> Dr. HotSalt- Hide quoted text -
Otto Bahn
"Mark" <blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote
<Yes, a validity. See, you are a relativist.
<I am an absolutist. There are boundries
<to disciplines which have to be met
<same as math.
I am an absolute relativist who is also relatively
absolutist.
<Relativists tend to be atheists.
<Absolutists tend to believe in historical dieties.
<
<Relatives often vote democratic.
<Absolutists often vote republican.
And run around shouting, "A is A! A is not �A!"
--oTTo--
David DeLaney
Art ... is a window washer. In Dubuque, Iowa.
Also, current music: Angel Eyes, disco mix.
Dave "paaay the price" DeLaney
just john
Teabaggers aren't synonymous with teakettles. They're an entirely
different fish of kettle.
Piet de Arcilla
> On Nov 20, 11:35 pm, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 20, 8:24 am, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 20, 12:14 am, Piet de Arcilla <dearci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 19, 11:08 pm, "Matthew L. Martin" <noth...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
> > > > > Nicko wrote:
> > > > > > Question:
>
> > > > > > I have not been able to find Eggo® waffles in the store. When will
> > > > > > they be available again?
> > > > > > Answer:
>
> > > > > > Kellogg Company recently experienced supply constraints caused by
> > > > > > flood damage at our bakery in Atlanta. In addition, we've been making
> > > > > > significant equipment enhancements and repairs in our largest waffle
> > > > > > bakery. Unfortunately, this is taking longer than anticipated.
>
> > > > > > The Eggo™ team is working around the clock to bring everyone's
> > > > > > favorite waffles back to store shelves as quickly as possible. We
> > > > > > hope to regain full distribution of Eggo products by the middle of
> > > > > > 2010. This is a top priority for Kellogg Company.
>
> > > > > Kellogg, LEGGO my EGGO!!!11!!eleventy-one!!11!
>
> > > > You've seen the Lego Eggo, right?
>
> > > >http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/cre8ivejuan/LEGO-EGGO-Waffle/00-leg...text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > > You've seen "Nude Descending a Staircase" ?
> > > (which hung in my dorm room for inspiration)http://www.beatmuseum.org/duchamp/images/nude2.jpg
>
> > Yes, I think it's ugly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> And in many ways so was the cultural
> trend toward mechanization and the
> industrializaton of society, as a "freeze
> frame" analysis of all things was vogue
> enough for society to find confidence in
> the belief that we had now mastered
> perception and...assembly-line
> manipulation of all things.
I think there are attractive industrial things all over the place.
We've become desensitized to them.
For example, although the Kia Rondo is hardly the most beautiful car
around, I think the wheels are stunning:
Piet de Arcilla
> Sounds like bullshit to me. I look at the damn thing and I can't
> figure out WTF it is supposed to represent DESPITE having previously
> seen both nudes and staircases AND knowing what the artist allegedly
> intended it to represent.
I _CAN_ see a nude descending a staircase; I just don't like the
presentation.
I would much rather see a "nude descending a staircase" if it was
created by Albrecht Dürer.
Piet de Arcilla
> "Cubism" is just a word. The movement contains
> many shapes, all of which are distilled from life
> down to geometric patterns, which encompass
> art elements of balance, shape, flow, etc.
Look closely at the styling of modern cars and their wheels. There are
few if any simple geometric shapes. Everything is organic curves that
look like fluid, ripples, or muscle. Or perhaps bones, occasionally.
Matthew L. Martin
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,420,000 for nude descending a staircase if it
was created by Albrecht D�rer.. (0.39 seconds)
Enjoy.
Matthew
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Alex will find a way to silently get from where she is to where she
wants to be.
Anna will make an Anna sized hole between where she is to where she
wants to be.
Rev. 11D Meow!
Pot, Kettle, Black?
Na!
Smoking Pot Kills Brain Cells.
Drink lots of BEER instead...
Piet de Arcilla
> Piet de Arcilla wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 10:55 pm, "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sounds like bullshit to me. I look at the damn thing and I can't
> >> figure out WTF it is supposed to represent DESPITE having previously
> >> seen both nudes and staircases AND knowing what the artist allegedly
> >> intended it to represent.
>
> > I _CAN_ see a nude descending a staircase; I just don't like the
> > presentation.
>
> > I would much rather see a "nude descending a staircase" if it was
>
> Results 1 - 10 of about 2,420,000 for nude descending a staircase if it
Painting of nude descending a staircase holding a painting of "Nude
descending a staircase":
http://www.askart.com/AskART/photos/BUT6232002/9440.jpg
Mark Edwards
>Smoking Pot Kills Brain Cells.
If it starts smoking, add more liquid! No sense burning a good pot.
Rev. 11D Meow!
> http://kiastore.com/KiaPhotoWeb/Kia-Rondo-39-750.jpg
>
it's all about how fine can the mind chop time. ::)))
Rev. 11D Meow!
<dear...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Painting of nude descending a staircase holding a painting of "Nude
> descending a staircase":
>
> http://www.askart.com/AskART/photos/BUT6232002/9440.jpg
>
SWEET!
Mark
Yeah, but Cubism was a phenomenon of the
mechanization happening in roughly 1907
and a few years after. It was an analytical trend
in perception a long, long time ago. I was taught
how to do it in the 1970's when I was a kid
gaining recognition.
---
Mark
David DeLaney
>If it starts smoking, add more liquid!
worst dating advice EVAR
Dave
Lee
> Mark Edwards <Mark-Edwa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >If it starts smoking, add more liquid!
>
> worst dating advice EVAR
>
I can't remembor
'
Does ayarkay have a no smorking or a nonsmaking policy?
Rev. 11D Meow!
wrote:
Only when it is during the act of sexual gratification,
with the exception of auto-erotic disrhythmia only.
Steve Thompson
> No cluons were harmed when Mark wrote:
> >This group is a plethora of knowledge and a virtual cornucopia of
> > useable wisdom.
>
> Oh. Then we're failing miserably.
Well, that all depends on how you define success.
When I sleep at night and dream that I'm a famous rock star,
everything is great. Pussy everywhere, coke-fuelled parties, fast
sports cars to drive at fantastic rates through the city, papparazzi
baying at my heels, and fistfulls of Jacksons to stuff in the
g-strings of gyrating strippers. Life is good in dreamworld. However
in the _real_ world the colours aren't quite so sharp, and the chicks
don't thrust their hips with quite the same enthusiasm as I have come
to expect from my dreams.
But as I understand that they are dreams, it is no great task to be
satisfied with what I have now. Would that everyone were able to
recognise the true value of their dreams.
Regards,
Steve
--
No shirt?
No shoes?
No service.
David DeLaney
Steve Thompson <steve...@yahoo.on.ca> wrote:
>and fistfulls of Jacksons to stuff in the
>g-strings of gyrating strippers.
Kontext-Away moonwalks offstage, silently.