Manifestation in Rome against the ostracism
Achille
practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped.
We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies.
At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from
Switzerland.
What was done?
1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful
discrimination.
2) all Italian media have been informed.
2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have
heard the arguments of the event.
3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that
received the flyers!
4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national
newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he
heard.
You can see this information on site http://www.infotdgeova.it
Annointed Remnant
Keep up the good work. There is also protests in Brazil:
curtjester1
> On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism
> practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped.
> We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies.
> At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from
> Switzerland.
>
> What was done?
>
> 1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful
> discrimination.
>
usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then
compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
CJ
> 2) all Italian media have been informed.
>
> 2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have
> heard the arguments of the event.
>
> 3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
>
> 4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that
> received the flyers!
>
> 4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national
> newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he
> heard.
>
> You can see this information on sitehttp://www.infotdgeova.it
Got the English version?
CJ
Mario
the event was not made against the disfellowshipped, every company has
the right to expel members if they do not follow the rules, we
challenged the ostracism that follows the expulsion, it must be clear.
Annointed Remnant
Mario says...>> On Dec 4, 2:48=A0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:> On first of Decemb=
>er we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism
>> > practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped.
>> > We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies.
>> > At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from
>> > Switzerland.
>>
>> > What was done?
>>
>meful
>> > discrimination.
>>
>> Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that
>> usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then
>> compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
>>
>> CJ
>>
>> > 2) all Italian media have been informed.
>>
> have
>> > heard the arguments of the event.
>>
>s.
>>
>> > 4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians=
> that
>> > received the flyers!
>>
>> > 4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national
>at he
>> > heard.
>>
>> > You can see this information on sitehttp://www.infotdgeova.it
>>
>> Got the English version?
>>
>> CJ
>
>the event was not made against the disfellowshipped, every company has
>the right to expel members if they do not follow the rules, we
>challenged the ostracism that follows the expulsion, it must be clear.
Jehovah's Witnesses try to pretend that they don't practice shunning to the
extent that they do, but mother cannot speak to daughter and brother cannot
speak to sister. They cause families to break up and cause mental depression
and even suicide. The Jehovah's Witnesses is a dangerous cult and everyone
should be made aware of it.
I.B. Olde
"Annointed Remnant" <Annointe...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:idgf5...@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> Jehovah's Witnesses try to pretend that they don't practice shunning to
> the
> extent that they do, but mother cannot speak to daughter and brother
> cannot
> speak to sister. They cause families to break up and cause mental
> depression
> and even suicide. The Jehovah's Witnesses is a dangerous cult and
> everyone
> should be made aware of it.
>
They destroy marriages as well. They encouraged me to leave my non-believer
spouse with the biblical reason that we shouldn't be "unevenly yoked to
non-believers." What bout "God hates a divorce" also in the bible? The
gullible and fearful and manipulated left their spouses............
Sonny
Unfortunately, that of the ostracism is a discourse that not only
concerns the religions, but also the groups from which the complaints
and the criticisms depart toward the tdgs that complete her.
I now say... if you try aversion for a practice completed by yours ex
religion, because you same you effect the same methods to those people
that disentono from your way of operating? Be well-known that the tdgs
remove the regard and above all the word to the ex components of their
faith, but is true altrattanto that also the forum infotdgeova ago the
same thing removing the possibility to reply and to speak, also only
for private messaggistica, trying to defend himself/herself/themselves
from the unfair accusations that a staff of arrogant persons and
entrusted arrogant they effect I pour those people whom dissent!
In short... the old writing of Romans 2:21-22 don't do her/it yours
proper?"
you, therefore, that teach to somebody else, don't you teach to
yourself? You, that you preach of "not to steal", do you steal? 22
you, that say of "not to commit adultery", do you commit adultery? Do
you, that express abomination toward the idols, steal the temples?
From that pulpit comes the sermon!!!!
Well done the whole job behind the demonstration to Rome but
altrattanto done dev'essere, or should you/he/she be done verse those
people who dissent from a forum, done nickname Bunker, really because
of the methods that use and that go criticizing toward their
antagonists followers of Jehovah, doesn't it seem you?
I write you this for duty of chronicle. Play the trumpets in front of
theirs operated but then behind the scenes they are worse of those
people that criticize! Exactly as the scribes and farisei.... they
say, they criticize, they ostracize and then they complain him when
they are criticized.... do you remember true the Christ as he/she
reported them? Well, I am not certain the Christ, but I can assure you
that in mine small, I have done and I am doing a lot for making to be
ashamed them to make the hypocrites. This is how much I owed you.
Shalom.
(This is my forum, in case someone knew how to read Italian as our
friend of Salerno oldlightnewshite to which turn the appeal not to
make himself/herself/themselves enchant from the lies achilliane, but
to feel less also the other bell before drawing some wrong and false
conclusions, equal peers to those priestly of the self-righteous
epoch. www.freeforumzone.com?50304)
Sonnyp
Achille
"curtjester1" <curtj...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
> Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that
> usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then
> compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
Sorry, but i don't speak english.
I translated my answer with the help of google.
The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from
simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum.
The disfellowshipped from WTS are ostracized in their private life and
family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o
group "regular", where the constraints simply cease
association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is
instead completely changed.
No member of the organization can continue to maintain
any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential
with the disfellowshipped.
If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is
you also disfellowshipped.
There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon
the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life,
punishing he in the most intimate affections, in the bonds with relatives,
friends.
Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW,
the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -;
in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -;
in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relations
social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital
no JW will go to visit him.
If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and
humiliating trial that may last a year or more before
be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
So if someone tries to justify the shunning
shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in
other associations real or virtual, the pratice of disfellowshipping is the
same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these
situations.>
>> You can see this information on site http://www.infotdgeova.it
> Got the English version?
No, only in Italian version.
Achille Lorenzi
USENET
wrote:
> In article <4cf9f25b$0$34031$4fafb...@reader2.news.tin.it>, Achille says...
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> >On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism
> >practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped.
> >We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies.
> >At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from
> >Switzerland.
>
> >What was done?
>
> >1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful
> >discrimination.
>
> >2) all Italian media have been informed.
>
> >2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have
> >heard the arguments of the event.
>
> >3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
>
> >4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that
> >received the flyers!
>
> >4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national
> >newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he
> >heard.
>
>
> Keep up the good work. There is also protests in Brazil:
>
>
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There is more to life than JWism but you ppl have yet to find it. You
seem to want them to be forced to associate with you and that is just
not going to happen.
curtjester1
> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:50f85aad-358f-4fb4...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> > Got the English version?
>
> No, only in Italian version.
>
> Achille Lorenzi
I hope people don't expect harmony within a religion.
http://graceandspace.org/welcome/home/365-days-with-the-lord/766-jesus-a-cause-of-division-.html
I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone.
When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model
their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian
view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. Unless that
person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much
less have a great intimacy with that one?
CJ
Annointed Remnant
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Dec 6, 5:52=A0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
>> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:50f8=
>5aad-358f-4fb4-8...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...>> > Why was it shameful? =A0Did it specify how clubs and organizations that
>> > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then
>> > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
>>
>> Sorry, but i don't speak english.
>> I translated my answer with the help of google.
>>
>> The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from
>> simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum.
>> family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o
>> group "regular", where the constraints simply cease
>> association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is
>> instead completely changed.
>> No member of the organization can continue to maintain
>> any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential
>> with the disfellowshipped.
>> If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is
>> you also disfellowshipped.
>> There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon
>> the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life,
>,
>> friends.
>> Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW,
>> the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -;
>> in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -;
>> in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relations
>> social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital
>> no JW will go to visit him.
>> If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and
>> humiliating trial that may last a year or more before
>> be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
>>
>> So if someone tries to justify the shunning
>> shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in
>he
>> same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these
>> situations.>
>>
>> >> You can see this information on sitehttp://www.infotdgeova.it
>> > Got the English version?
>>
>> No, only in Italian version.
>>
>> Achille Lorenzi
>
>I hope people don't expect harmony within a religion.
>
>use-of-division-.html
>
>I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone.
>When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model
>their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian
>view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. Unless that
>person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much
>less have a great intimacy with that one?
Jesus must be pretty fucking impotent if he has to resort to soliciting
slimeballs like you do his dirty work for him.
curtjester1
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> In article <941582df-ca5b-474b-87f0-4a9053474...@g26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> curtjester1 says...
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> >On Dec 6, 5:52=A0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
> >> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:50f8=
> >use-of-division-.html
>
> >I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone.
> >When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model
> >their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian
> >view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. Unless that
> >person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much
> >less have a great intimacy with that one?
>
> Jesus must be pretty fucking impotent if he has to resort to soliciting
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> - Show quoted text -
Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are
perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19
For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[a]
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where
is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of
the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its
wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of
what was preached to save those who believe.
Footnotes:
a.1 Corinthians 1:19 Isaiah 29:14
Moses @ Ex. 4:10. 6:12
Annointed Remnant
curtjester1 says...
>
>On Dec 10, 10:04=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com>
>wrote:
>> In article <941582df-ca5b-474b-87f0-4a9053474...@g26g2000vbi.googlegroups=
>.com>,
>> curtjester1 says...
>>
>>
>> >On Dec 6, 5:52=3DA0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
>> >> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:5=
>0f8=3D
>> >5aad-358f-4fb4-8f42-4a214e668...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
>>
> that
>> >> > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and the=
>n
>> >> > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
>>
>> >> Sorry, but i don't speak english.
>> >> I translated my answer with the help of google.
>>
>> >> The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from
>> >> simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum.
>e and
>> >> family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o
>> >> group "regular", where the constraints simply cease
>> >> association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is
>> >> instead completely changed.
>> >> No member of the organization can continue to maintain
>> >> any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential
>> >> with the disfellowshipped.
>> >> If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is
>> >> you also disfellowshipped.
>> >> There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon
>> >> the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life,
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>> >,
>> >> friends.
>> >> Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW,
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>> >> in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -;
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>> >> social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital
>> >> no JW will go to visit him.
>> >> If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and
>> >> humiliating trial that may last a year or more before
>> >> be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
>>
>> >> So if someone tries to justify the shunning
>> >> shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in
>s t=3D
>> >he
>> >> same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these
>> >> situations.>
>>
>> >> >> You can see this information on sitehttp://www.infotdgeova.it
>> >> > Got the English version?
>>
>> >> No, only in Italian version.
>>
>> >> Achille Lorenzi
>>
>> >I hope people don't expect harmony within a religion.
>>
>> >http://graceandspace.org/welcome/home/365-days-with-the-lord/766-jesu...
>> >use-of-division-.html
>>
>> >I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone.
>> >When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model
>> >their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian
>> >person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much
>> >less have a great intimacy with that one?
>>
>> Jesus must be pretty fucking impotent if he has to resort
>> to soliciting slimeballs like you do his dirty work for him.
>
So your god dying on a tree proves his power? And wisdom?
>Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
No, actually, he hasn't. Knowledge has made god look foolish. Jesus as god is
one of the biggest hoaxes of all time.
Grow up, CJ. Jesus hasn't done anything for you or anyone else. You're a sick,
old, lonely, divorced man who has to peddle his bicycle through the New York
cold weather to get to a public library and use one of their computers.
Did the chocolate factory lay you off yet? Are you living on unemployment
payments? If you get out of that cult, you can make something of yourself.