If your a BELIEVING Jehovah's Witness
Joe Smith
If your a BELIEVING Jehovah's Witness
Imagine i wanted to sell you a painting. I gave you a lot of documents
and proof that infact it was a valuable Constable Painting. The price
was high but for what you appeared to be getting, the sacrifice in money
is worth it.
What if, for example. I held back documents and proof that might make
this a copy, a fake or clearly NOT a constable painting? You'd be upset
and demand to know why i'd do such a thing. You wouldn't buy a painting
from me again and would make sure no one else did for fear they'd end up
getting hurt.
Someone sold me a painting once. They gave me evidence and proof to back
up their story. I bought it and held onto it no matter what. Turns out
that what i was willing to give my life for, was worth nothing.
Does an experienced diver go without checking his equipment? Do you
cross the road without looking? Does a climber go without first checking
his ropes and equipment? Will someone set out on a long journey without
a map and compass?
Back to the painting. Point is this. The painting is the "Paradise" and
the Watchtower Society. The Seller is your average Jehovah's Witness.
They sell you something that they didn't know the details of. They
thought they had conclusive proof in their hands. Sadly they don't.
What to look for? Check-out the UN Scandal and importantly the 607 B.C.E
date for Jerusalems Destruction. You might be surpised to find your
"painting" is a fake.
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I bought that painting too. Im ashamed to say that, without even seeing
the validity documents, I was so convinced they existed and were true I
tried to sell that painting on to as many people as possible.
Now I cringe. Fortunately, no-one bought the painting off me. Seems like
I wasnt a very good salesman, thank god!!!!
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I was a buyer as well, I invested 25 years of my life on it, and
unfortunately I got a few others to buy it off me. A couple of them are
still investing. I hope they see it for the fake it is one day, as I
have.
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Yeh, i shut down my art gallery too! Lets hope more shut shop.
I hope they see it for the fake it is one day, as I have.
i know how that feels but a lot of the folks here told me that, you
can't blame yourself just as you took it they did too!
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Yeah... I bought that painting too, and after examining it for awhile,
it turned out to be a paint by the number's painting.
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I grew up with that "painting" hanging on the wall at our house. I
looked at it every single day wondering whether it was authentic or not.
When I "grew up" and left home, I found out that you could get that same
"painting" at any second hand store without the pain and cost.
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and the "canned reply" -- but the way of the truth is still the best
way of living, no better way can there be found.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I grew up with that "painting" hanging on the wall at our house. I
looked at it every single day wondering whether it was authentic or not.
When I "grew up" and left home, I found out ---------- the hard way it
was not a true religion------truth is still the best way of living, no
better way can there be found.
^^^^^^^ and that statement is also simply not true ------- almost
anything is better than being a jw
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor
is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is
expressed in The Watchtower. (The Watchtower, 1931 November 1 p.327) If
you believe that, you'll believe ANYTHING!
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Millions now living will die after all ------------------->
jw Religion is a snare and a racket -------------------
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Take courage, No ( wts/gb jw ) evil can forever withstand the collective
will of those it wrongs.
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"A man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to
believe."
-- Euripides
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Joe Smith a happy Apostate
Dâlmâniô
"Idoso" <drie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146431921....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> 2 Peter 2: 20-22 "Certainly if, after having escaped from the
> defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and
> Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and
> are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the
> first.
Why don't you describe what "defilement's of the world" are. A movie? How
about a dance? Sunbathing in a skimpy suit or taking your child to the zoo
or a museum? Clean blue-jeans on a woman or a man with long hair like Jesus
had? What about sideburns and beards which are natural facial hair for men?
Murder and soliciting the murder of someone online? Bank robbery? How
about a fun birthday party for children? Lying about joining the UN to use
their library when joining was not necessary? Shunning people like Lepers
because someone tells you to punish them, athough they did nothing to you?
Which of these are "defilement's of the world?"
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CH.......
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
Actually the verse is not correctly translated. The correct translation
is: "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create
disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things."
*This is any better?
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Dâlmâniô :
> "Idoso" <drie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1146431921....@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > 2 Peter 2: 20-22 "Certainly if, after having escaped from the
> > defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and
> > Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and
> > are overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the
> > first.
>
> Why don't you describe what "defilement's of the world" are.
Galatians 5:19-22 "Now the works are manifest, and they are
fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct,
==> That only applies to a very small segment of society.
20 idolatry, practice of spiritism,
==> Even a smaller segment practice such things.
enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of
anger, contentions, divisions, sects,
==> So you are required to FEEL nothing? Have no human emotions? Emotion
is emotion, nothing else. Few people act on negative emotions and some are
lifesaving. Did the WT tell you that?
21 envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these"
==> Few people engage in such things. If you listen to the wicked WTS's
GB, a group of aged, semi-senile Victorians, you would believe everyone
outside the KHs are practicing such things. I think we both know that is
untrue.
What then are you allowed to feel and think?
Idoso
and those making use of the world as those not using it to the full;
for the scene of this world is changing.
==> How do you use the world "to the full?"
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2c........
Jacob displays his (and God's) knowledge of biology by having
goats copulate while looking at streaked rods. The result is streaked
baby goats (Genesis 30:37). The author of Genesis (God?) believed
that genetic characteristics of the offspring are determined by what
the parents see at the moment of conception. This is a laughable
belief. Ask any animal husbandrist.
~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@
Joe Smith
http://www.watchersweb.com/submissions/v7v8up1145599208/uea431145599252.jpg
Joe Smith
Re: If your a BELIEVING Jehovah's Witness
Group: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2006, 2:18pm From:
drie...@gmail.com (Idoso)
Idoso :
If your a BELIEVING Satan's Witness
jw's are the ones talking about satan all the time ----- where ever
jenober went it took satan right along ------ how do you tell them apart
?
defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are
overcome, the final conditions have become worse for them than the
first.
the path of righteousness than after knowing it accurately to turn away
from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 The saying of the true proverb has happened to them: "The dog has
returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to rolling in the
mire."
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"The dog has returned to its own vomit, and the sow that was bathed to
rolling in the mire."
-^^^^^^^^^ applies to anyone who would go back to being a jw after
knowing better
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accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it
accurately to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them.
------------------ wts/gb certainly have not taught anything accurately
----- lets see 1914 1918 1925 1942 1975 when was the end spose to come ?
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Jabriol is a Fundamental Moron And a YEC
Group: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2006, 12:59pm From:
budi...@netscape.net (Budikka666)
Jabriol, the YEC Fundamental Moron Lied:
Golly Woman, you must be related to Carol (liar superioris) Gulley.
So that would make you a fundamental moron. Pleased to meet you.
There is nothing in Genesis that states Humans were there observing any
part of creation.
If you can quote me where I specifically said this, I'll withdraw it,
otherwise, that would make you a fundamental moron.
Perhaps you can help me out, since you are obviously God Himself. Why is
it that fundamental morons don't address what is actually posted in
messages, but make up lies about what is posted, then attack the lies
they made up? Is it because they're fundamental morons?
In fact Adam And Eve was created toward the end of the creation period.
Please post scientific support for this claim of yours. Or is it yet
more lies and unsupported juvenile mindless clueless idiotic blather
from a fundamental moron?
LHB) was a period approximately 3.8 to 4 billion years ago.
Which would put it at about 5,300 years ago in the Biblical 6K yrs
world. Are you saying that this god created Adam and Eve some time later
than 5,300 years ago when the Bible specifically describes the creation
as taking place in the first six days?
And I am not a creationist.
It doesn't matter a damn what you are if you're a fundamental moron,
because you're fundamentally a moron. Of course, if you wanted to prove
me wrong, you could always actually *SUPPORT* your claims, but my guess
is that you'll run away shortly.
So your foaming of the mandibulas are
of no interest to me.
The plural of mandibula is mandibulae. Since this is the lower
vertebrate jaw bone and I'm a mammal, I ahv eonly the one and there is
no foaming takes place there. But of course, you couldn't have been
expected to know that since you're a fundamental moron. However, now you
*do* know it, so please don't make that dumb mistake again. Instead of
making you sound smart, it makes you sound like a fundamental moron.
Save your illogical rantings for the YEC crowd.
Jabriol **IS** a YEC, you fundamental moron, but then how can you not
know that? Are you schizophrenic, now, Jabriol?
Still waiting on these questions being answered: Still waiting on you
answering these:
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #1
http://tinyurl.com/c75ql
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #2
http://tinyurl.com/cla6m
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #3
http://tinyurl.com/d5ku3
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #4
http://tinyurl.com/btmpg
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #5
http://tinyurl.com/7hkz9
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #6
http://tinyurl.com/9c8hp
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #7
http://tinyurl.com/cqanx
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #8
http://tinyurl.com/bqydk
Jabriol Unanswered Questions series #9
http://tinyurl.com/dkmd3
And how about apologising for these lies instead of running from them?
Jabriol Lies Series #1
http://tinyurl.com/2w7u9
Jabriol Lies Series #2
http://tinyurl.com/2l9rl
Jabriol Lies Series #3
http://tinyurl.com/27cvs
Jabriol Lies Series #4
http://tinyurl.com/33zrt
Jabriol Lies Series #5
http://tinyurl.com/2t944
Jabriol Lies Series #6
http://tinyurl.com/3776p
Jabriol Lies Series #7
http://tinyurl.com/82da6
And how about withdrawing your misleading quotes, starting with this
one:
Jabriol Misleading Quotes series #1
http://tinyurl.com/b3n6s
Brief summary fo all the unanswered qiestions follows:
1. A car is organic (molecular structure based in carbon). True or
false?
2. Not counting living things, the universe is, in part, organic. True
or false?
3. This universe is the only example of a universe that we know of for
sure.
True/false?
4. We know for a fact that humans create cars, as can been seen from a
tour of any auto manufacturing plant.
True or false?
5. We have no known-for-a-fact examples of gods creating universes. True
or false?
6. If we know humans create cars, but we do not know that gods create
universes, trying to pretend that finding a car abandoned in the desert
leaves one in the same position, vis-a-vis its origins, as we are in
trying to understand the universe is an irredeemably braindead
proposition.
True or false?
7. In a thread started in alt.religion.jehovahs-witn on Sept 21,2003 you
stated: "On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is factual,
then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning into
another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each different type
of living thing would reproduce only "according to its kind." (Genesis
1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into being by an act
of creation, there would be no partial, unfinished bones or organs in
the fossil record. All fossils would be complete and highly complex, as
living things are today." (http://tinyurl.com/u62b)
That thread was titled "TOBS: The Fossil record support's Genesis".
Posting such an article and/or believing we were created rather than
evolved is an open admission that you are in fact, a creationist. True
or false?
8. Regardless of what it is classed as and regardless of whether it was
or was not in the evolutionary line to birds, the archaeopteryx had
pretty much a fifty-fifty mix of reptile/dino and bird features and
therefore represents an example of a potential intermediate stage. True
or false?
9. The okapi, an animal alive and well today, and biologically related
to the giraffe is pretty much what a transitional giraffe could have
looked like.
True or false?
10. http://www.talkorigins.org/faq s/faq-transitional.html summarises
discoveries pertaining to transitional fossils and contains over 70
references, many of which are to papers published in peer-reviewed
science journals.
True or false?
11. Something akin to a mouse could reasonably change 300 genes over 60
million years to become either human or a modern mouse. True or false?
12. It is possible to clearly and scientifically define the Biblical
"kind" as used in the Noah's ark story in Genesis. True or false?
13. There is a mechanism in genetics or biochemistry which prevents one
"kind" of organism varying into another "kind". True or false?
14. Evolutionists hold that modern amphibians evolved from modern fish.
True or false?
15. Evolutionists hold that modern reptiles evolved from modern
amphibians.
True or false?
16. Evolutionists hold that modern birds evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?
17. Evolutionists hold that modern mammals evolved from modern reptiles.
True or false?
18. Creationist letters published as a joke in a science publication are
of the same standing as peer-reviewed papers published in recognized
science journals.
True or false?
19. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published in
a recognized, refereed science journal that calls the Theory of
Evolution into serious question.
True or false?
20. There has been at least one peer-reviewed science paper published in
a recognized, refereed science journal that establishes a better theory
to explain the distribution and variety of life on Earth today than the
Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
21. There has been posted, in one place in a thread somewhere in these
news groups, a supported and referenced *list* of the colossal holes in
the Theory of Evolution.
True or false?
22. It is hypocritical to demand peer-reviewed published evidence from
others in refutation of non-existent material favoring your own
arguments.
True or false?
23. References to long-dead dead topics such as "Piltdown man", Nebraska
"man", and Ramapithecus as a human ancestor are irrelevant to the
current state of the Theory of Evolution because no one but creationists
ever makes an issue of them any more. True or false?
24. Certain creationists-in-denial will snip or ignore this entire post
because they cannot even handle a series of simple true/false questions
without realizing what a shithead they are. True or false?
The last question is a little more difficult. It's multiple choice.
25. The match between human DNA and banana DNA is:
A. 95%
B. 75%
C. 60%
D. Greater than 50%
E. 50%
Please *support* your answer to question
25 with at least one competent and intelligent reference that does not
refer to a non-existent article in _New Scientist_, is not a throw-away
quotation, and is not merely a headline from an article that has nothing
otherwise to do with the topic.
Budikka
Precision
like buying an extremely expensive painting such as a Rembrandt on a
lifetime payment plan without 100% proof that it is authentic. Extending the
metaphor you quoted, let's suppose after the 360th monthly payment (that
could have coincidentally been the final mortgage installment on an
expensive home) one discovers the Rembrandt hanging above their worn out
sofa in their spartan studio apartment is fake? There is no way to recover
the past 30 yours of sacrifice one made to buy a painting one believed would
make them rich in their old age.
Accepting on faith that God inspired the Bible and its teachings is exactly
like that analogy with one major difference. Imagine you will go to the
grave believing that painting is authentic but never quite knowing for sure.
Christians who lived following the times of Christ and his resurrection,
through our modern times, have had to live this way. Faith can be so strong
with many Christians they will insist they know with 100% certainty the
Bible is God's word without any proof at all.
Let me extend the parable in your quote further. Rembrandt lived, brought
his talents to the world of art and passed away generations before ours.
Some people in our generation have become art experts that work for
insurance companies and major galleries. Some of these art experts are known
the world over and have an amazing track record. For example, they may have
insisted controversial art without a "pedigree" was absolutely, with 100%
certainty, the work of a famous artist who lived hundreds of years ago. They
couldn't prove their claim but people who believed in their decades of
experience made multi-million dollar purchasing decisions at major auction
houses like Christies buying famous works of art based on these expert's
opinions alone! Lacking any other evidence, works of famous art have passed
through private hands and public museums on the word of art experts who
simply knew the art was authentic based on decades of passionate and
relentless study of the artist's work.
Modern technology allowed works of art without former histories, their only
authentication the word of these few world famous art experts, to be scanned
under remarkable new equipment. Modern physics allowed the design of
equipment that would scan art at the molecular level, "seeing" the canvas
underneath, powerful computer software comparing the work in question to a
known original. Paint could be analyzed for chemical composition and art
could be carbon dated. Guess what?
These famous experts were vindicated. Art that investors paid millions for
and lived solely on faith was authentic, was proven to be absolutely
authentic! The faith of these art investors was ultimately rewarded.
I want to note that these art experts were not without their "dark days" so
to speak, where they made mistakes. Although even the best experts in any
field have their human flaws, it is the body of their work and the faith
others are willing to place in their assessments that determines the
outcome.
Over the life of many Christians, I being one of them, we start to become
like these art experts in that we cannot prove the Bible is God's
inspiration, but we have come to know it is. Only a matter of time is
between our innate sense the Bible is an accurate historical record and
divinely inspired work and when scientists one day find forensic evidence of
Christ and other irrefutable historical proofs the Bible is true. Sometimes
one just knows in their "gut" something is true. In my case I have been
blessed with experiencing what I only can describe as "supernatural" events
over my life, and near-death experiences, that combined with my years of
Bible study has given me a rock solid foundation of faith. I have a strong
feeling that scientific finds out of the Middle East and other remarkable
events around the world in the future will bring many more to the table of
faith. Perhaps you will be amongst them.
"Joe Smith" <anonOmus...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18426-445...@storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net...
Joe Smith
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"In my case I have been blessed with experiencing what I only can
describe as "supernatural" events over my life, and near-death
experiences, that combined with my years of Bible study has given me a
rock solid foundation of faith."
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In my case I have been blessed with experiencing what I only can
describe as "supernatural" events over my life, and near-death
solid foundation of faith."
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ok i am glad your faith is that strong a lot of what you say i have no
problem with -------- i also have faith ------ i just don't believe in
religion or the bible as gods word ------- and i am against the rulers
of the jw religion and most of what it teaches and i think in my posts i
make that clear -------- i don't say anyone else has to change or
believe anything ------ and certainly not because i say so ----------
about carol and jabers -------- if carol is doing what you think -----
can you imagine keeping all that straight in your head ? i couldn't
------ to pull off that much of a lie playing both sides keeping it all
straight you give carol a lot of credit ------ i think it is more simple
there both who they say they are ---------------
"Imagine you will go to the grave believing that painting is authentic
but never quite knowing for sure."
never quite knowing for sure don't we all bet our life on what we
believe inside to be true i have and i have bet my life that the jw
religion is not true your betting it is --------------and time will tell
for sure Imagine you will go to the grave believing but never quite
knowing for sure.------ and along the way i think we all should have and
do have the right and obligation to question think read what ever we
choose to talk to who ever we want etc. i have exercised that right and
payed the price for it ---------no body can call me in the back room if
i disagree ------- in this NG i also have openly showed what side i am
on
Kult Klobberer
Richmac, a JW from this NG met Jabriol in person several years ago.
Jabriol/Antonio is indeed who he says he is - a Puerto Rican from Camden NJ
who attends a Spanish Speaking Cong there. Precision is so sickened by his
brother's behavior and veiled death threats regarding his victim Carol, that
he'll say anything in Antonio L Santana's defense. He doesn't want people
to know that there are JWs who are vicious and dangerous sociopaths.
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Lario......
Has your child been physically or sexually abused by a Jehovah's Witness?
If so report all abuse to properly trained authorities immediately.
Professional investigation of any abuse allegations will protect the
emotional and physical well being of your child.
Encourage elders to respect your right to protect the best interests of
your child by staying out of criminal investigations of rape.
Seek assistance from those who care,
www.silentlambs.org or call 877-WT ABUSE
It's time to protect children it's time to stop being a silent
lamb
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Mindfucked
"Kult Klobberer" <fre...@usenets.net> wrote in message
news:pyo5g.54445$Jk3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Richmac, a JW from this NG met Jabriol in person several years ago.
> Jabriol/Antonio is indeed who he says he is - a Puerto Rican from Camden
> NJ
> who attends a Spanish Speaking Cong there. Precision is so sickened by
> his
> brother's behavior and veiled death threats regarding his victim Carol,
> that
> he'll say anything in Antonio L Santana's defense. He doesn't want people
> to know that there are JWs who are vicious and dangerous sociopaths.
Another nym-shift by Carol, in support of:
Carol!
Another example of deceit.