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Girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her
Chicago Tribune,  United States - 20 minutes ago
.. Avenue, Chicago. Prosecutors have said the couple were strict
Jehovah's Witnesses who practiced corporal punishment. Constance Slack
..
Girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her
By Jeff Coen
Tribune staff reporter
Published April 26, 2006
Testifying against his father, Leon Slack whipped a piece of electrical
cord across a bed frame in the courtroom. The cord, he said, was like
the one his father used to beat Slack's sister to death.
Jurors watched as Slack repeatedly slapped the cord, demonstrating how
he said his father struck his sister more than 100 times after she was
tied to the same frame in November 2001.
Laree Slack had screamed out, her brother said, but their father, Larry
Slack, stuck a towel in her mouth to muffle her.
Leon Slack, now 21, testified in Cook County Criminal Court on the first
day of Larry Slack's trial in the murder of 12-year-old Laree. Leon
Slack said his father routinely beat him and his five brothers and
sisters with electrical cords.
"You felt it not only in your back, but in the front of your chest,"
Slack said. He then described the force his father used--like "you were
hammering a nail into wood."
Larry Slack and his wife, Constance, were charged in the case after
paramedics responded to a 911 call from the house in the 7900 block of
South Brandon Avenue, Chicago. Prosecutors have said the couple were
strict Jehovah's Witnesses who practiced corporal punishment.
Constance Slack has pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and is
expected to testify against her husband, who faces the same charge.
On Tuesday, Assistant State's Atty. Meg Blade told jurors the facts of
the case are so horrible that justice demands a guilty verdict.
Assistant Public Defender Denise Streff urged the panel not to let
sympathy sway them. Larry Slack did not intend to kill his daughter,
Streff said.
The couple loved their children but did whip them as a form of
discipline, just as their own parents had, Streff said. Larry Slack
worked as a Chicago Transit Authority machinist and Constance Slack
worked as a nurse.
"It got out of hand," Streff said of the discipline. "It absolutely got
out of hand."
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 Family Murders by Jehovah's Witnesses or Why It Might be Unsafe to
Marry a Jehovah's Witness 
 
JW SLAUGHTERS HIS WHOLE FAMILY  more too graphic for JWD up
at my blog link that can be passed around
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Family Murders by Jehovah's Witnesses
or Why It Might be Unsafe to Marry a Jehovah's Witness
related: JW murderers
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-canambrose0203.artfeb03,0,7510368.story?coll=hc-headlines-local
Injured Woman's Husband Arraigned
By TOM PULEO
Courant Staff Writer
February 3 2006
CANTON -- Joseph V. Ambrose smashed his wife's face and skull with a
pipe early Monday and told her she was "going to die tonight" before he
left her outside a hospital and drove away, court records released
Thursday state.
But the police report offers no reason Ambrose - a self-employed
carpenter and elder in the Canton congregation of the Jehovah's
Witnesses - attacked his wife inside their rented home.
She is recovering from her injuries. He was arraigned Thursday on
attempted murder, first-degree assault and first-degree kidnapping
charges and held with bail set at $750,000.
He was ordered to have no contact with his wife or their four children
should he make bail. He is due back in Superior Court in Hartford on
Feb. 16.
Court records state that the couple had separated, but still was living
at 93 Old Canton Road and sleeping in different bedrooms.
Ambrose, 55, lured his wife out of her room early Monday by telling her
she had a phone call, then pummeled her, leaving multiple lacerations on
her face and head, the report states.
Robin Ambrose, 41, remains at Hartford Hospital and the couple's two
youngest children who were living at home are now in state custody,
authorities said.
Ambrose eluded police for more than a day but was captured Tuesday
morning, walking near the Canton-New Hartford line and carrying a loaded
gun.
Robin Ambrose gave police the following account: She remembers her
husband striking her hard on the head, saying he had a pipe and was
going to "kill her." The next thing she remembers is waking up alone in
her minivan outside the house, her blood "everywhere."
Robin Ambrose opened the minivan door, triggering the alarm, causing her
husband to run out of the house to the van. At this time, Ambrose told
his wife she was "going to die but I have to take you away from here."
Robin Ambrose asked her husband to take her to the hospital. The next
thing she remembers is waking up inside Hartford Hospital, the report
says. She doesn't remember walking into the building.
In 2003, police went to the Ambrose house during a "physical
altercation" between Ambrose and his young son, the police report says.
Copyright 2006, Hartford Courant
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.comJehovah's Witness shoots
wife, self
Wednesday, November 2nd, 2005
A Bible-thumping Bronx man gunned down his estranged wife and then
killed himself after accusing her of straying from their faith and
sleeping with another man, police and neighbors said yesterday.
The victim's 21-year-old daughter found the bloodbath at 10:30 a.m.
yesterday in her mother's Soundview apartment after the woman failed to
show up to work as an Avon sales representative, neighbors said.
Sharoll Medina, 39, was sprawled on her bed with a gunshot wound to her
head. Her estranged husband, Julio Lopez, 45, lay dead nearby with a
revolver beside him, police said. "My mother! My mother!" her daughter
screamed as she walked out of the Watson Ave. building.
Lopez and Medina, both Jehovah's Witnesses, separated about 18 months
ago. But Lopez would often show up unannounced at Medina's fifth-floor
apartment, neighbors said.
She routinely refused to let him inside, but rather than go away he
would sleep in his truck. Their fighting got worse when Lopez found out
Medina was dating another man - and he later argued with her about it,
neighbors said.
 
Rich Schapiro and Alison Gendar
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/361673p-307958c.html
 
Victim's family dresses down murderer
By Laurel J. Sweet
Saturday, July 16, 2005 - Updated: 09:20 AM EST
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=94081
Thomas Gillespie addresses his sister's
murderous husband Kevin Hensley during
victim impact statements.
(Staff photo by Ted Fitzgerald)
A bitter brother-in-law of the mild-mannered monster who pinned his
sister face down while he strangled her with a necktie wanted to see
Kevin Hensley off to prison in style yesterday.
     ``I notice you don´t have a tie on,´´ Thomas
Gillespie, his voice crackling with sarcasm, told Hensley, 49, who once
attempted suicide. ``You know what? I brought one for you.´´
Hensley - who was a tow truck driver for the Boston Transportation
Department when he murdered his wife, Nancy Hensley, 45, in their East
Boston bedroom Jan. 31, 2002 - had planned to speak at his mandatory
sentencing to life behind bars. But crushed by the weight of his
family's grief, he backed down.
     After deliberating only two hours, a jury convicted
Hensley of first-degree murder Thursday - the same day his daughter
Candace Hensley turned 14.
     The Hensleys had four children during their 22 years of
marriage: daughters Candace and Kerry, 24, and sons Pat, 22, and Kevin,
10.
     ``They´re beautiful kids,´´ Maryann Gillespie, the
aunt who took them in, told their father in her gut-wrenching good
riddance. ``They deserve the best, and we´ll have that for them.
     ``I wish you had come to us for help,´´ she told
Hensley, whose slain wife was her husband Robert Gillespie´s sister.
``We would have been there for you, but there´s nothing we can do
now.´´
     Kevin and Nancy Hensley, Jehovah's Witnesses, had been
separated only a couple of weeks when he beat and choked her to death
and then dumped her body beside a toilet in the basement - what
prosecutor Dennis Collins called the ``final indignity.´´
     The couple's religion teaches that men run the home and
women are to be subservient, but while Kevin Hensley was a homebody,
family members said Nancy, a working mom, wanted to spread her wings.
     ``My sister lived for her children. She loved them
dearly,´´ Karen Nolan told Hensley. ``She would have been proud of
each one of them for how they´ve handled this.
     ``Unfortunately, this state doesn´t have the death
penalty yet for animals like you, Kevin, so the best I can hope for is
that you live a long and miserable life.''
March 26, 2005 
Sexual Abuse, Armageddon and Drugs
A powder keg ignited by P
New Zealand Herald - New Zealand
.. The only remaining father figures in Dixon's life were Jehovah's
Witnesses, one of whom on several occasions took Dixon on outings and
sexually abused him
 
 
 
 
 
 
A powder keg ignited by P
Antonie Dixon's long but small-time criminal career culminated in a
frenzy of violence and death.
 
26.03.05
by Louisa Cleave and Bronwyn Sell
 
 
From the age of 4 or 5, Antonie Dixon was dragged by his mother to
Jehovah's Witness meetings. He was forced to sit for hours in meeting
halls, go door-to-door with her as she preached, read the Bible every
day before school.
He grew up with tales of fire and brimstone, of demons and devils, of a
new world order, of Armageddon and how the sinners of the world would be
wiped out.
At the age of 34, after a month-long P binge, he started his own
Armageddon. He sliced off the right hand of his girlfriend Renee Gunbie
and the left hand of former girlfriend Simonne Butler with a samurai
sword in the Hauraki Plains village of Pipiroa, and then shot dead a
stranger, James Te Aute, in Pakuranga, later raving to police, witnesses
and psychiatrists that the women were immoral and Te Aute was the devil.
He claimed to have drunk blood from Gunbie's severed hand. He claimed
his father was the offspring of angels. He claimed to see dancing
goblins and hanging vampires.
Butler says Dixon yelled during the ordeal at Pipiroa, "that his God had
told him he had to sacrifice me and we were all going to die and the New
World was taking over".
Whether they were the ramblings of an insane man or a cynical- and
ultimately unsuccessful - strategy to secure a trial verdict of not
guilty by insanity, it wasn't hard to trace his inspiration.
"It was pretty intense," his sister, Carla Dixon-Foxley, says of their
late mother's beliefs. "There was a lot of talk of demons and being
possessed by the devil, Armageddon and not being good enough to obtain
ever-lasting life."
Dixon had been involved in crime since he was 15. By the time he picked
up the samurai sword, he had 160 convictions. It was mostly petty stuff
- stolen cars, theft and driving offences - and a few assaults.
Police officers who had dealt with him for two decades had suspected his
crime spree might escalate. But they hadn't expected something so
extreme.
"I always thought he had the potential to kill but not in this way. This
was quite out there," says Detective Senior Sergeant Mark Gutry, who was
working in the Howick criminal investigation branch while Dixon was
living in Beachlands in his 20s and early 30s.
While Dixon was a career criminal, one police officer said he was also
likeable and charming. He'd had at least two serious, albeit tumultuous,
relationships, which survived several prison terms. He had two children
with his former partner for 10 years, Wendy Ross.
Ross and Simone Butler both say Dixon was charming. Ross says he had a
"contagious personality". But both became aware of a darker side as
their respective relationships progressed.
Butler and Dixon split in March 2002 but remained friends. Dixon took up
with Gunbie, Butler's childhood friend and a P cook. Gunbie moved into
the Pipiroa property in October that year.
Police who dealt with Dixon are confident they know exactly what turned
him from a troubled petty criminal who aspired to notoriety into a
homicidal madman: the drug P, a pure form of methamphetamine.
He wasn't crazy, a former police officer told the Weekend Herald. He
just "lost it one night on P".
Dixon, who was a cannabis user, had drifted into P through his
associations with gangs, says Detective Sergeant Darryl Brazier.
Brazier said Dixon phoned him three or four times a day in the months
leading up to January 21, 2003, and admitted he was "fried" - a common
term for regular P users.
Police say it changed his behaviour. It ignited his long-held paranoia
and drew out the violence that had characterised his childhood.
In the 1970s, Richmond Rd, Grey Lynn, wasn't the trendy, upmarket street
it is now. It was rough, especially inside Dixon's childhood home, which
doubled as a boarding house for psychiatric patients released from
Oakley and Carrington Hospitals.
Their mother, Isabelle, ran the house, administering medication to the
boarders and the rod to her children, Dixon's sister says.
"She beat us. We were all scared of her. She used to lock Tony in the
toilet for hours at a time. She would sit him on the potty with no pants
on and leave him in the cold."
Dixon was tied to the washing line, chained up with padlocks and locked
in his room with bars on the windows.
Dixon-Foxley, who is nine years older than her brother and now lives in
London, remembers him as a child sitting on the couch and banging his
head for hours, rocking. "He was always a bit strange."
Their father, Ronald, was violent to their mother. When Dixon was 7 they
separated and he was forbidden by the courts from coming near the
family. He died in Wellington three years later from heart problems, at
the age of 53.
The only remaining father figures in Dixon's life were Jehovah's
Witnesses, one of whom on several occasions took Dixon on outings and
sexually abused him, Dixon-Foxley told his High Court trial.
He was forbidden from playing with other children because his mother
didn't want him associating with non-believers.
Dixon rebelled. He would get frustrated and throw tantrums. And he was
no longer a small boy who could be locked in the toilet.
"He had to be held down," Dixon-Foxley says. "It was uncontrollable, not
unlike my father's temper. He'd get very angry. Unreasonable. Illogical.
He would hit out. He grew up in an environment of violence and that's
all he knew."
By 10 he was wagging school, and had to be dragged home from spacies
parlours. Around that time he started to turn the violence back on to
his mother.
"He was constantly in trouble," Dixon-Foxley says. "Once he started the
truancy he was basically in homes. Home after home after home."
Their mother gave up. She made him a ward of the state. He lived in
halfway houses, boys' homes, foster homes, institutions, borstals. About
then he started breaking the law.
At 15 he was convicted of burglary and receiving property, although he
was admonished and returned to state care. Thus began his 20-year crime
spree.
Most police officers the Weekend Herald spoke to said he was not known
as a violent offender. He craved notoriety but it proved elusive - until
January 21, 2003.
Dixon seemed to enjoy dramatic run-ins with police - especially car
chases. Before the samurai attacks his biggest claim to infamy was
slipping out of a prison van in Auckland in 1994 after being charged
with orchestrating a major car theft ring. He was on the run for more
than a month. He called the New Zealand Herald while in hiding to say he
expected the police would catch him.
A few years later he climbed through a skylight at the Tauranga police
station after being arrested for a crime spree involving high-speed car
chases in four stolen vehicles.
"I think he loved the whole car chase, almost a Dukes of Hazzard type,"
Gutry says.
Brazier says Dixon always wanted to be somebody more important, but the
gangs considered him risky, probably because of his big-noting.
"As much as he wanted to be accepted in the criminal scene, a lot of the
upper-echelon criminals didn't want him. You would mention his name and
they would roll their eyes and say 'He's a would be if he could be'. He
wanted to be the big man around town."
Detective Inspector Bernie Hollewand, the officer in the charge of the
inquiry, says Dixon used violence "instrumentally" within the criminal
scene.
Dixon had a "coterie of henchmen". His "business" was disposing of
high-performance vehicles and he associated with several gangs, from the
Headhunters to the Mongrel Mob.
"He wouldn't have wanted to be associated too closely with any one
particular gang ... his business was best served by being in contact
with all the gangs and knowing who was doing the business around the
place," says Hollewand.
He agrees that Dixon wanted to be big. "He wants to be top dog, he wants
to be doing Tony's business not anyone else's business."
His campaign for notoriety involved regular contact with police. A
former police officer says Dixon would drive to the Howick police
station, park his car alongside patrol cars and wander inside to chat.
"He's a friendly guy - very confident, very cocky. He had no problem
talking to cops, because he thought he was too clever for us and was
never going to get caught."
It seems a contradiction, but while Dixon was actively courting police,
he was also paranoid they had him under electronic surveillance. He
would beg Brazier to call off this imagined surveillance.
Brazier said Dixon's paranoia was a symptom of heavy P use - as was the
violence that erupted.
"It is common for a heavy user to believe people are out to get them,
whether it be police or other people in the drug scene."
In the months before his violent explosion, Dixon seemed convinced that
the authorities were using 747s, bugs and satellites to monitor him.
He had painted slogans on the walls of his house and the road, saying,
"my life is in danger" and "home of the satellite 747 and every other
thing in the sky".
Detective Senior Sergeant Richard Middleton said Dixon's P use
exaggerated his paranoia and made him more grandiose.
Brazier advised Dixon in the months before January 21, 2003, to seek
help for his addiction.
"[Dixon's crime spree] is a result of P," says Gutry. "The levels of
violence are so much more extreme.
"We're just seeing a lot of people who, when they get addicted to P,
become extremely violent, unpredictable; who were otherwise not really
violent people."
On January 21, 2003, Dixon finally lost control. Everything that had
been haunting him for the past 34 years came to a head - the paranoia,
the violence, the drugs, the two decades of crime, the run-ins with
police, the cravings for notoriety.
"His personality was the powder keg and P was the match that lit it,"
Crown prosecutor Simon Moore said in court.
Things didn't go to plan for Dixon on January 21, 2003. He didn't want
to go back to jail. He wanted to "go down in a blaze of glory", shot
dead by police.
"I've gone too far," Dixon told Brazier that night, after mutilating the
women and before killing Te Aute. "I've chopped them both and I'd have
killed them if the sword hadn't broken." But in his warped mind, there
was one consolation.
He told police: "Everyone will be taking notice of me now."
24 hours of violence
8.30am, January 21, 2003 Renee Gunbie prepares a cocktail of orange
juice, cocaine and methamphetamine at the Pipiroa home she shares with
boyfriend Antonie Ronnie Dixon. He drinks most of it.
2pm. Dixon breaks Gunbie's arm. His violent spree has begun.
7pm. His former girlfriend Simonne Butler arrives. Gunbie has been badly
beaten. Dixon attacks the women with a samurai sword.
7.30pm. He calls an ambulance and drives to Hamilton, where he steals a
car. He speeds erratically to Auckland. He taunts police over his mobile
phone. "I'm not going to go to jail. This is going to be another
Aramoana."
Midnight. He drives into Dunrobin Place, Highland Park, and finds three
men in a car. He taunts them, draws them closer, then shoots dead James
Te Aute. Dixon drives away, pursued by the men's friend, Steven
Matthews, who was parked nearby. Dixon raises his gun at Matthews, who
ducks and loses control of his car. Dixon threatens staff and customers
at gunpoint at a Mobil station in Highland Park and a Shell station in
Pakuranga.
12.30am. Dixon picks up a stranger, Bradley Kukard, in Howick and tells
him he has killed a man. He drops him off and is chased by two police
officers but escapes.
1am. A police officer spots Dixon's car in Rialto Court, Botany Downs,
and chases him to Inchinnam Rd, East Tamaki. Dixon bursts into the house
of Ian Miller, taking him hostage.
5.30am. After long conversations with Miller and police negotiators,
Dixon releases Miller.
6.15am. Dixon leaves the house and lies on the lawn, surrendering.
 
 
03/17/2005Greist speaks out at hearing R. JONATHAN TULEYA , Staff Writer
http://www.dailylocal.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14164496&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=17782&rfi=6
 
WEST CHESTER -- Richard L. Greist ended decades of silence Wednesday
when the institutionalized killer took the witness stand during his
annual recommitment hearing.
The former East Coventry resident found not guilty of murder by reason
of insanity lamented killing his wife and unborn son in 1978, quoted
verses from the Bible and apologized to his two daughters.
But his daughters' own testimony overshadowed Greist's -- recounting in
explicit detail their father's rampage that nearly killed them.
"My sister and I love him very much, and we forgive him," said Elizabeth
Ann Butts, 32, Greist's older daughter. But they asked the court not to
release Greist, "not now or ever."
Angela Dykie, 31, the killer's other daughter, agreed her father should
remain committed to a mental hospital for the rest of his life.
Dykie described Greist's "searing slaps" and the "screams of terror" as
he beat and stabbed the members of his family.
"He had fiery orange and green swirling eyes," Dykie testified. "They
were empty and the most evil thing I've ever seen."
Greist, now 53, stabbed his wife, Janice, to death and mutilated their
8-month-old unborn fetus -- which he said he has named Christopher -- in
the family's home on May 10, 1978.
He also attacked Butts, who was 6 at the time, Dykie, who was 5, and the
girls' 71-year-old great-grandmother, Anna Gresko.
Two years later at trial, Common Pleas Court Judge Thomas A. Pitt Jr.
ruled Greist not guilty by reason of insanity.
He was committed to Norristown State Hospital, where he remains today.
By law, Greist is entitled to a recommitment hearing every year. For
years, Greist has attempted at these hearings to gain his release from
the mental hospital.
Wednesday he tried again before Common Pleas Court Judge Edward
Griffith. The judge will make a ruling at a later date.
Greist and his attorney, Marita M. Hutchinson, seek to have Greist moved
from Norristown State Hospital to a less restrictive facility known as
community residential rehabilitation.
"I wish from my very soul that I could take back the time in the 1970s,"
Greist said, "and have my wife Janice and my children back."
The killer claimed he is "well and I have been for a long time." He
apologized for the "pain" he caused Butts and Dykie, and recalled the
"sweet smell of their hair after shampooing it."
"I only have a few photos of my daughters," Greist said. "They are among
my most precious possessions."
He also testified remorsefully about not being able to teach Christopher
how to "sail my yacht, like I had taught the girls."
Dr. Sudhir Stokes, the psychiatrist in charge of Greist's treatment at
Norristown, has treated Greist for three years and supported the
patient's appeal for more freedom.
"All people, including Mr. Greist, have to be given the chance to move
to the next level," Stokes said.
Greist's privileges at the hospital have progressed to the point where
he is now allowed to roam freely on the hospital's 40-acre compound.
Since the slayings, Greist has become a Jehovah's Witness. He is allowed
to leave the hospital for three hours every week to attend services in
West Norristown.
The man also is granted one 12-hour leave every three months, which he
has used to go shopping at the King of Prussia Mall, and he often
travels alone using public transportation to visit physicians located
off the hospital property.
Greist holds a job at the hospital as manager of the facility's
cafeteria, and on Nov. 29, he married his third wife, Frances Greist, a
New Zealand woman he met on the Internet through a Jehovah's Witness Web
site.
Assistant District Attorney Peter Hobart argued against any change to
Greist's commitment status.
Hobart called upon Dr. Barbara E. Ziv, a forensic psychiatrist, and
psychologist Steven E. Samuel, to testify the man still posed a risk to
the community.
"Richard Greist has talked in very concerning ways about all the women
in his life," Ziv said. She concluded he has demonstrated a "high degree
of misogyny and anti-female resentment."
Samuel examined Greist twice during January.
"He has not developed any insight into the basis of what happened in
1978," Samuel said. "I think he is bothered by intense emotional
feelings, he is frightened by them in a way. He consciously covers over
his problems to minimize his weaknesses."
 
Posted on Thu, Mar. 17, 2005
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/11156681.htm
At hearing, a killer's daughters relive horror
The children of Richard Greist, who slaughtered family members in '78,
say he should not be released to a group home.
By Kathleen Brady Shea
Inquirer Staff Writer
 
The brutal horrors that befell an East Coventry Township family on May
10, 1978, were painfully relived yesterday by two witnesses to the
bloodshed: the daughters of Richard Greist.
Greist, 53, was found not guilty by reason of insanity in 1980 of crimes
that included fatally stabbing his pregnant wife, ripping his unborn son
from her womb, mutilating the fetus, gouging the eye of his 6-year-old
daughter, slashing his grandmother's throat, and butchering the family
cat.
Because a judge ruled that Greist could not be held responsible for his
crimes, he can never be incarcerated for them.
The daughters, both of whom are married, came forward after learning
that the staff at Norristown State Hospital, Greist's primary residence
since his arrest, continue to seek greater freedom for their father.
Neither believes Greist should be released to a group home - as the
hospital staff has recommended - and both read letters, with visible
difficulty, at Greist's annual commitment hearing in Chester County
Court.
Elizabeth Anna Butts, 32, who lost an eye during the attack, said she is
reminded of it every day when she looks in the mirror.
"I wish my father no harm," she said. "I don't believe he intentionally
harmed me; that's what's scary."
Butts said the love of God and family has helped her regain some
semblance of a normal life, which would be shattered if she had to start
worrying about running into her father at the grocery store.
Echoing the testimony of two experts hired by the commonwealth,
psychiatrist Barbara Ziv and psychologist Steven E. Samuel, Butts said
the fact that doctors do not know why the psychotic episode happened
suggests that no one can be sure it will not recur.
Her younger sister, Angela Dykie, 31, said she would be forever haunted
by "the sounds of hard thumps, searing slaps, deadly stabs, moans of
pain, screams of terror, and wails of horror."
She said that after being thrown across the kitchen into a coal bucket,
she escaped across the street where she watched her mother come out "in
a body bag" and her sister come out "clinging to life, expected to die."
Dykie said her father "manipulated" her into seeing him when she was 18,
and the experience made her "hit rock bottom" and consider ending her
life. She said she was not surprised when Greist's second wife,
Patricia, committed suicide after a year of marriage.
After her death, she said, her father pressured her "to testify for his
freedom," arguing that he had no one else to support him.
"I pushed him away," said Dykie. "When I did that, my life came back to
normal."
A different view was presented by Frances Greist, his third wife.
She testified that she met Greist in June on the Internet, in a chat
room for Jehovah's Witnesses. She said she traveled from New Zealand to
Norristown on Nov. 11 and married Greist on Nov. 29.
"He's a darling," she said, adding that the two hope to relocate to New
Zealand.
Asked by Assistant District Attorney Peter Hobart about the particulars
of the assault, she said Greist "was trying to save the baby in his own
way" when he ripped the fetus from his wife's body.
Greist, who covered his face with his hands during his daughters'
testimony, also addressed the court during the daylong hearing,
describing fond parenthood memories, such as the smell of the girls'
freshly shampooed hair.
"My dreams were also shattered on that horrific day," he said.
Greist said he wished he could change the past, which was destroyed by
his mental illness, and wants to change the future.
"I have so much love to give my daughters," he said.
Hobart said Greist's daughters requested that the court be informed that
they want no contact with their father.
"You saw chillingly, the effect he has on his daughters," said Hobart,
who urged Chester County Court Judge Edward Griffith not to lift any
restrictions.
Greist's attorney, Marita Malloy Hutchinson, asked Griffith to "follow
the recommendation" of Greist's hospital treatment team, led by
psychiatrist Sudhir Stokes, and explore "a less restrictive environment"
for her client.
Before taking the case under advisement, the judge addressed Greist.
"If you really do care about [your daughters], I think it would be best
if you had no contact with them," Griffith said.
Greist replied that he agreed.
 
 
1992 murder conviction is upheld
By Barbara Bell
Special to the Tribune
Published December 4, 2004
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0412040178dec04,1,3774551.story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed
William Carlson's request to have his murder conviction thrown out was
denied Friday by a Lake County judge, but Carlson said he plans to
appeal.
Carlson, 30, who represented himself at a hearing before Associate
Circuit Judge John Phillips, said he deserved a new trial because of
problems with the indictment charging him with first-degree murder in
the 1990 shooting deaths of his parents.
"It's specifically an attack on the validity of the indictment," Carlson
said.
Carlson pleaded guilty in 1992 to killing his father in their Wildwood
house. He is serving a 90-year sentence in Stateville Correctional
Center in Joliet.
In a plea deal, Carlson avoided a life sentence when prosecutors dropped
murder charges in connection with his mother's slaying. But Carlson's
sentence for his father's death was extended because the crime was
considered heinous and brutal, authorities said.
Carlson argued that because the "heinous and brutal" accusation was not
mentioned in the grand jury indictment, it was flawed.
Assistant State's Atty. Jeff Pavletic said Carlson pleaded guilty to
killing his father, so his argument did not apply. Carlson waived his
rights to a jury trial when he entered the plea, Pavletic said.
Phillips agreed.
"I am going to deny you the relief you request," he told Carlson.
Pavletic said prosecutors were never sure what motivated Carlson, then
16, to kill his parents with a handgun he rented for $100 from
classmates at Warren Township High School.
"That was the $64,000 question at the time," Pavletic said. Carlson
feared getting in trouble with his father because he had sold some of
his father's gold collection, and his parents were Jehovah's Witnesses,
the prosecutor said.
A defense psychiatrist said Carlson had been sexually and mentally
abused by his parents. But Pavletic doubted that Carlson was mentally
ill because he plotted to kill his parents and returned the gun before
fleeing to Canada in his parents' car.
"All of those things supported that this wasn't a person who didn't
understand the acts he had committed," Pavletic said.
 
 
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12/03/2004Wedding bells ring again for wife killer Carl Hessler Jr. 
 
NORRISTOWN -- Institution-alized wife killer Richard L. Greist Jr. tied
the knot again this week.
Greist's third attempt at wedded bliss comes 26 years after he brutally
stabbed his first wife to death and 13 years after his second wife
committed suicide.
Montgomery County Court records obtained by The Mercury show Greist, now
53 and a resident of Norristown State Hos-pital, married 46-year-old
Norristown resident Frances Mary More on Nov. 29. District Justice
Francis Lawrence Jr. presided over the marriage ceremony at his
Norristown office, according to Orphans Court records.
"They wrote their own vows. They exchanged their rings. It was literally
three minutes long," said Lawrence, describing the simple ceremony. "It
was a standard civil ceremony."
About seven people accompanied Greist and More to the ceremony.
Hospital officials referred all questions regarding the marriage to the
Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, which operates the hospital.
Stacey Ward, a spokesperson for the state agency, confirmed that Greist
got married. However, Ward said patient confidentiality regulations
prohibited her from discussing the matter in more detail.
An attempt to reach Greist through state officials was unsuccessful.
More, who according to court documents was born in New Zealand, could
not be reached for comment Thursday.
Greist's lawyer, Marita Malloy Hutchinson of West Chester, did not
return a phone call for comment about her client's nuptials.
Chester County Assistant District Attorney Peter Hobart, who currently
represents the state during required annual court hearings to monitor
Greist's mental health treatment and progress, said he was not aware of
the marriage. Greist was not required to report the marriage to
prosecutors.
Hobart added that a psychiatrist, Dr. Barbara Ziv, has been hired by
prosecutors to re-evaluate Greist prior to his next scheduled annual
hearing on Jan. 25.
"I'm sure she'll take any relevant life changes and the marriage into
consideration at that time," said Hobart, referring to Ziv. In court
documents, Greist listed his occupation as a cashier. More listed her
occupation as a tutor and indicated she lived on East Poplar Street in
Norristown.
On May 10, 1978, Greist, then 27, went berserk and fatally stabbed his
pregnant wife, Janice, cutting an 8-month-old male fetus from her body
inside their Sanatoga Road home in East Coventry. During the 2 p.m.
rampage, Greist also attacked his 6-year-old daughter, Beth Ann, who
lost an eye during the savage attack, and beat his 71-year-old
grandmother, Anna Gresko.
Greist was found not guilty by reason of insanity of the strangulation
and stabbing of his wife after a trial in Chester County Court on Aug.
1, 1980. A psychiatrist testified at the trial that Greist believed he
was the incarnation of Jesus Christ and thought he was killing devils
when he attacked his family. The psychiatrist testified Greist believed
all women had the devil in them and that he believed he could kill the
devil in his wife, then resurrect her.
The verdict means Greist will never face a prison sentence for the
crime. He was committed to the state hospital for treatment until
doctors determine he is sane and no longer a threat to society or to
himself. During the last two decades, Greist has made no attempt to hide
the fact he has had girlfriends during his stay at the hospital. In May
1990, Greist, after being institutionalized for 12 years, married
Patricia Louise Griffin, 38, a former psychiatric nurse at the hospital,
during a private ceremony on the grounds of the hospital. During an
interview at the time of the nuptials, Griffin said she was not bothered
by her husband's past and said she was looking forward to a good
marriage.
Patricia Greist told court officials she felt comfortable with her
husband and described him as a stabilizing influence on her life.
However, on May 31, 1991, Patricia Greist, a year into the couple's
marriage, was found dead of an apparent drug overdose in her Norristown
home, various pills surrounding her body. Authorities said she left
several suicide notes that were generally supportive of her husband.
Each year since 1981, Greist has asked for freedom and more privileges
during annual competency hearings at which a Chester County judge must
review Greist's progress.
During the most recent hearing in March, former county Judge Juan R.
Sanchez, now on the federal bench, ordered that Greist remain at the
hospital, denying doctor's requests that Greist be transferred to a less
restrictive community residential rehabilitation center.
Under court orders, Greist is permitted to attend services every Sunday
at a Norristown area Jehovah's Witnesses church. He is also allowed to
attend "planned outings" four times a year if it is approved by the
hospital and written plans are submitted to the district attorney's
office and local police departments.
Greist is forbidden from staying away from the hospital overnight.
 
 
BOOK REVIEW: BLOOD CRIMES
Over the last few years there have been some quite sensational national
news cases in the U.S. that involve a Jehovah's Witness male murdering
part of all of his family or people close to him. Why? The following are
some recent comments and findings by Bill Bowen of Silentlambs:
 

 
 
The picture above is of the South Carolina corner removing the bodies of
the Meza children.
You can read the full story at this link,
http://www.silentlambs.org/SCmurderarticles.htm
 
The South Carolina case of a Jehovah's Witness father murdering his wife
and children appears to be an ongoing problem that seems to occur when
JW fathers become emotionally disturbed. To understand the reason why
this phenomena presents itself you must understand the theology of the
religion itself. Anyone that becomes a Jehovah's Witness must accept
that they are part of the only "truth." That "truth" is defined as being
the only persons on earth that are approved by God. To find
corroboration of that, note the following quotes from JW literature,
 
" Become members of an international brotherhood known for cleanness and
good manners, the worldwide congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. In
harmony with Ephesians 4:24, these sincere Christians have "put on the
new personality which was created according to God's will in true
righteousness and loyalty." Soon the world will be filled with such
people because these will be the only ones who will survive and live
forever." Watchtower99 6/15 page 6
 
" Is it presumptuous of Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that they alone
have God's backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in
Egypt claimed to have God's backing in spite of the Egyptians' belief,
or when the first-century Christians claimed to have God's backing to
the exclusion of Jewish religionists." Watchtower 01 6/1 page 16
 
" Of all the organizations claiming to be Christian, only Jehovah's
Witnesses both think upon his name and magnify it among the nations."
Watchtower 92 12/1 page 17
"The message is clear: If we want to survive Armageddon , we must remain
spiritually alert and keep the symbolic garments that identify us as
faithful Witnesses of Jehovah God ." Watchtower 99 12/1 page18
 
As you can see from the material Jehovah's Witnesses believe they have
the only path to surviving the end of the world. Anyone that does not
become part of that path will be killed by God at the battle of
Armageddon. The belief continues that Armageddon is immanent and the
only way to help mankind survive is to allow them the opportunity to
become Jehovah's Witnesses by calling on the homes of the public and
inviting them to become members through home bible studies. Any member
that does not participate in this "preaching work," will be killed by
God at Armageddon.
 
What happens after Armageddon? The earth will be given to Jehovah's
Witnesses to cultivate into a garden like park they call the "paradise
earth." The function of the paradise earth will be for humans to be
returned to perfection by God and live eternally in human bodies while
cultivating it as a beautiful place to live. In addition, according to
doctrinal belief, there will be a resurrection of those that passed away
in the former world. These resurrected ones will be provided with
education and an opportunity to become Jehovah's Witnesses as well. If
they decline then they will die. Any Jehovah's Witness member that died
in the former world will be resurrected to live eternity with friends
and family, they will have perfect health with none of the maladies they
may have experienced in the old world as well as have the prospect of
living forever. The paradise earth is viewed as a solution to all the
problems that Jehovah's Witnesses experience living in the current world
they view as being ruled by Satan. The only escape from Satan's world is
to have one of two options;
 
1. Wait for Armageddon to start the paradise earth.
2. Die and wake up in the paradise earth.
 
When JW father comes under severe emotional distress due to financial or
other circumstances it is an easy escape to consider giving their family
a way to enter the paradise earth immediately. The only way to do that
is through murder. This has happened on several occasions in the last
few years. One of the earlier cases involved the Kostelniuk family in
Burnaby , British Columbia . The mother remarried a JW man who
subsequently molested the children after which he murdered the family
when placed under pressure. A book was written by the children's
biological father called "Wolves among Sheep" You can read about it at
this link,
 
http://p074.ezboard.com/flambsmarchfrm33.showMessage?topicID=7.topic
 
Yet this was not the only case, another came up in 1995 in Atlanta,
Georgia, the Barton case involved once again a JW father slaughtering
his children and wife, the reason was financial and he also killed
several other people as well, but why his wife and children? Could it be
the reason giving them exit to a paradise earth? You can read about this
case here,
 
http://p074.ezboard.com/flambsmarchfrm33.showMessage?topicID=12.topic
 
Another case was Christian Longo in Washington . Again a JW father
strangles his three small children and his wife puts them in suitcases
and throws them in the ocean. Financial difficulty was citied as part of
the reason. You can read of this case here,
 
http://p074.ezboard.com/flambsmarchfrm33.showMessage?topicID=2.topic
 
A year later in the next state, JW father Bryant takes a shotgun and
murders his four children and wife then turns the gun on himself. The
reasons were financial and related to reporting of abuse. You can read
this story here,
 
http://p074.ezboard.com/flambsmarchfrm33.showMessage?topicID=1.topic
 
In a reverse concept children have murdered their parents. The Freeman
brothers killed their brother and parents after becoming skinheads. Part
of the reason given was due to being raised as JW's. This resulted in a
book and movie, you can read about his here,
 
http://p074.ezboard.com/flambsmarchfrm33.showMessage?topicID=4.topic
 
Then there are cases of JW parents killing just their children. In each
case you have to wonder if they believed they were helping the child
find paradise. You can read these stories here,
 
Laree Slack age 12 Chicago IL-01.
JW parents murder their daughter by hitting her 160 times with a 5-foot
stretch of electrical cable
 
Girl died after parents hit her 160 times, court told
By Kirsten Scharnberg and Eric Ferkenhoff, Tribune staff reporters.
Tribune staff reporter Rudolph Bush contributed to this report
Published November 14, 2001
Even veteran prosecutors were stunned by the case outlined in court
Tuesday: A South Side couple were accused of flogging their 12-year-old
daughter to death with a 5-foot stretch of electrical cable after she
was tied down.
Larry and Constance Slack, described by neighbors as devoutly religious,
delivered 160 blows to their daughter Laree, according to the charges,
stuffing a towel in her mouth at one point to silence her screams.
"This is the absolute worst I've seen," Assistant State's Atty. Robert
Hovey whispered as the Slacks, both 41, were led into the courtroom. The
pair were ordered held without bond on first-degree murder charges in
the fatal weekend beating of their daughter as well as charges of
aggravated battery of a child for the beating of their 8-year-old son.
In a slow, steady voice, Assistant State's Atty. Beth Pfeiffer stood
before the judge and began to read the accusations against the Slacks,
described by authorities and neighbors as Jehovah's Witnesses who were
so strict with their six children that they were not even allowed to
play with other kids from the neighborhood.
According to Pfeiffer, the couple had been planning to go out for dinner
Saturday night but had been unable to locate a jacket that had Constance
Slack's wallet and credit cards in the pocket. So Larry Slack ordered
the children, who range in age from 8 to 17, to search for it.
When the children did not seem to be looking hard enough for the jacket,
Pfeiffer said, Larry Slack grabbed an electric cable that was about
three-quarters of an inch thick and lashed the couple's 8-year-old son,
Lester, four to five times in the legs and buttocks.
Larry Slack, a Chicago Transit Authority machinist for the past 22
years, soon grew even angrier because dirty laundry was scattered about
the house, impeding the search, the prosecutor said. Laree had been in
charge of washing and putting away laundry in the home, Pfeiffer said.
"Larry Slack then ordered Laree to `assume the position,´" the
prosecutor said, which meant that the 12-year-old was to stand ready to
be whipped.
Larry Slack lashed Laree four or five times with the same cord he had
used on her brother, according to the prosecutor, but he grew angrier
still when the girl attempted to squirm away. The father ordered his two
teenage sons to tie Laree face down to a metal futon frame and then
administered 39 lashes to the girl's back, Pfeiffer said. Constance
Slack then took the cord and whipped the girl 20 more times, the
prosecutor alleged.
The first-floor Cook County courtroom, usually abuzz with lawyers
talking about their upcoming cases or milling about distributing
paperwork, grew silent as the prosecutor spoke. The details she told the
judge next seemed to shock everyone even more.
Girl began to scream
According to Pfeiffer, when Laree began to scream, Larry Slack ordered
his sons to fetch a towel to stuff in her mouth. He then tied a scarf
over the towel and used a stick to wind the scarf like a tourniquet into
place.
He then cut off his daughter's shirt, ordered the other children to pull
off her pants and whipped her 39 more times, the prosecutor said.
Constance followed with 20 more lashes, Pfeiffer said.
As Laree writhed from what would total more than 160 blows, the girl's
back began to bleed. So, according to Pfeiffer, Larry Slack untied her,
turned her over and beat her 39 more times on her stomach and chest.
"It was an awful one," Pfeiffer said after court, shaking her head. "And
to think they involved the other children, that's what gets me."
The case of Laree Slack, who was pronounced dead at South Shore Hospital
just hours after her beating, has rattled even seasoned child abuse
experts.
"Do you know how hard it is to kill a 12-year-old?" said Demetra Soter,
a physician who is coordinator of pediatric trauma at Cook County
Hospital.
According to Soter, children as old as Laree Slack require "massive
amounts of force to die like this." Soter said she had only heard of two
comparable cases in recent years, one a DuPage County teenager whose
father is accused of fatally beating him for stealing a car.
John Goad, the associate deputy director of the Illinois Department of
Children and Family Services, concurred. He said the vast majority of
homicides involving children are in cases where the child is under the
age of 3. Those children, Goad said, often are on the receiving end of
their caregiver's rage because they have soiled their pants or cried
uncontrollably.
In addition, Goad said, Laree's death comes at a time when child abuse
cases are hitting new lows in Cook County. He cited a 22.7 percent
decrease in reported abuse cases in Cook County the last five years.
Goad said part of the reason for the drop is that social service
agencies are getting better at counseling families who are reported as
having abused or neglected their children.
DCFS officials said Tuesday that the Slack family, who live in the 7900
block of South Brandon Avenue, has had at least one contact with the
department in the past.
In 1995, DCFS received a report that the youngest of the family's
children had been found walking on the street alone, according to DCFS
director Jess McDonald. Investigators later learned that a plumber had
been doing work at the family's house and left a fence open, allowing
the child to walk out.
Although the circumstances of that case do not indicate that DCFS failed
to protect the Slack children, McDonald said the department is
grief-stricken over Laree's death.
"Any time a child dies, and you've had any involvement in the case at
any time, people literally get sick," McDonald said. "It really does eat
at you. I think when there's a chance that the system was involved,
obviously we want to find out, did we miss anything at any point in
time?"
Death penalty may be asked
In court Tuesday, Pfeiffer, the assistant state's attorney, argued to
Judge Neil Linehan that the two were not eligible for bond because the
state may seek the death penalty and because Laree Slack's death was
especially "heinous" and "the result of torture." According to a
spokesman in the Cook County medical examiner's office, the girl died of
multiple blunt force traumas.
The Slacks, neither of whom have any previous criminal history, both
have made videotaped admissions about the beating, the prosecutor said.
According to Pfeiffer and police who were there when the Slacks were
being questioned, Larry Slack attempted to kill himself while in
custody.
Pfeiffer said Larry Slack, who weighs more than 350 pounds, had sneaked
a 6-inch kitchen knife into the Calumet Area police station by hiding it
in the folds of his skin. He stabbed himself in the chest and was
transported to Christ Hospital and Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he
was treated for minor injuries before being returned to police custody.
Calumet Area detectives who were familiar with the case said Tuesday
that Larry Slack had told them that he strongly believed in corporal
punishment. They also said that they knew him to be deeply religious,
but they added it was unclear whether Slack was abiding by some
religious mandate.
But Leon Slack, an uncle of Laree's, said religion had nothing to do
with what happened. "Our family loved Laree dearly," read a statement
the family released Tuesday.
In a brief telephone interview, the uncle went further.
"What happened was a tragedy," he said. "It was not in line with
religion. Something obviously went wrong, and we just want to grieve as
a family."
Neighbors of the Slacks' said the family was quiet and kept to
themselves. There was a tall fence around their yard, but the children
were sometimes seen building a tree house on the side lawn.
"The only time I saw them all together was one Saturday when they were
going to church. They looked really nice, cheerful and happy," said Noel
Chapa, a next door neighbor.
Source: Chicago Tribune
 
 
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When you consider that Jehovah's Witnesses are a relatively small
religion, under one million members in the USA it is disturbing to see
that most cases that involved the murder of a family by the father in
recent years have had JW connections. Is this just a coincidence? Could
it be that the theology and doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses creates a
type of time bomb that can be tripped of the right set of circumstances
presents it? The information above seems to indicate that this could be
a strong possibility. -- Bill Bowen of Silentlambs
 
 
 
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Family of three murdered in Harvey
December 1, 2004
BY MAUDLYNE IHEJIRIKA Staff Reporter
 
Vinese Bell-Kracht had decided it was time for her and her 1-year-old
son, Emery, to move on with their lives.
The 21-year-old bank clerk had had enough of the domestic abuse she said
she suffered at the hands of her troubled husband of almost two years,
Martin Kracht, relatives said. After the last incident more than a month
ago, she'd filed charges, had him arrested and sought a restraining
order against him, according to court records.
And she had started that new life, with a new job and a new apartment.
But Bell-Kracht's life came to a sudden and violent end Monday, police
said. She, her son and her mother-in-law, Barbara Baker-Kracht, 52, were
found murdered in Baker-Kracht's Harvey home. The three died at the
hands of 24-year-old Martin Kracht, who less than two weeks ago moved in
with the mother he allegedly killed, police and relatives said.
Chilling discovery
On Tuesday, members of Bell-Kracht's close-knit family gathered at their
south suburban Richton Park home, struggling to understand the tragedy
that had befallen the young mother, child and grandmother.
Police made the chilling discovery of the bodies at Baker-Kracht's home
in the 15000 block of South Marshfield Avenue in Harvey about 9 p.m.
Monday.
"It was a well-being check that was requested by a family member," said
Harvey Police spokeswoman Sandra Alvarado.
Shortly after the bodies were found, Harvey Police arrested Kracht on a
tip from relatives, who knew he was hiding in a garage only blocks away.
Kracht was expected to be charged with three counts of first-degree
murder late Tuesday, according to Harvey Police and the Cook County
State's Attorney's Office.
"This appears to be domestic-related homicide," Alvarado said. "It was
not a random act of violence. This is a senseless tragedy."
Police would not say how the three died, but they noted none of the
victims was shot.
'Seemed like nice people'
Neighbors in the quiet neighborhood where Baker-Kracht recently bought
her home milled outside their houses, helping each other grapple with
the horror.
"When they first moved in, I came out to welcome them to the
neighborhood. He and his mother seemed like nice people," Denise Lollis,
who has lived across the street for 23 years, said Tuesday. "I have
never, ever seen anything like this. This has been rough. It just keeps
you praying."
Police said they may never know what triggered the killings.
Bell-Kracht's family said she had met her husband in 2002 through her
brother, who had invited Martin Kracht to join the Jehovah's Witnesses
faith her family practiced. Martin Kracht had attended Thornton Township
North High School with Bell-Kracht's brother, Shaun Winston, graduating
in 1998, Winston recalled.
Kracht began visiting the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses at 150 E.
124th Pl., in Chicago with Winston and his family of six siblings.
"He acknowledged he was living a life of debauchery, and said he wanted
clean up life. He was baptized a Jehovah's Witness, "Winston said. "He
met my sister, and they liked each other. I advised her against it," he
added, choking back tears.
Winston's advice went unheeded. The pair dated for five months before
marrying. But Kracht, then living with a friend in Harvey, was unable to
support his new wife, floating from job to job, Winston said. So Dennis
and Sherry Harris, Bell-Kracht's parents, allowed Kracht to move in with
his wife and her family in Richton Park.
That's when the trouble started.
"He started pushing on her and she was pregnant. One time he pushed her
down," Winston said. "That was when my father talked to him, and kicked
him out."
Sought restraining order
The abuse reportedly got worse, culminating in an October incident that
resulted in Bell-Kracht seeking a restraining order against her husband,
barring him from her home in Richton Park. But on Nov. 8 she appeared in
court in Markham and asked that both the protection order and the abuse
charges be dismissed.
"The victim didn't wish to proceed," said Marcy Jensen, a spokeswoman
for the Cook County state's attorney's office. "We don't know why."
Last summer, relatives said, Bell-Kracht had become convinced it was
time to give up on her marriage and move on. She landed a job at Charter
One Bank in Homewood and only last week secured a small apartment in
south suburban Steger for herself and her son.
On Saturday, her family helped her move in, and on Sunday Kracht came to
Kingdom Hall asking to see his son, her relatives said. Bell-Kracht
acquiesced, letting him take the boy for a day and arranging to pick up
Emeryon Monday evening.
"But on Monday, we didn't hear from her after work, which was unusual
for Vinese. We knew something had happened when the police called."
Contributing: Stefano Esposito, Annie Sweeney, Lisa Donovan and
Cheryl V. Jackson
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Suspect's mom, wife, son slain
Woman had filed abuse charges against husband, then dropped them
By Rick Jervis and Patrick Rucker, Tribune staff reporters. Tribune
staff reporters Jo Napolitano and Bonnie Miller Rubin contributed to
this report
Published December 1, 2004
The mother of an 11-month-old boy, Vinese Bell-Kracht was trying to
piece her life together after a rocky two-year marriage. Last month her
estranged husband, Martin Kracht, was charged with beating her, and the
court ordered him to stay away from his wife and child.
But Bell-Kracht, torn between the pain of a troubled marriage and the
challenges of caring for an infant son by herself, decided she had to
have her husband's help. She asked that the charges be dropped, and on
Nov. 8, they were, along with the court order of protection, prosecutors
said.
About 9 p.m. Monday, Harvey police found the bodies of Bell-Kracht, 21;
her son, Emery; and Barbara Baker-Kracht, 52, Martin Kracht's mother, in
Baker-Kracht's Harvey home.
Kracht, 24, was arrested Tuesday morning in the garage of another
relative's home in Harvey. He remained in police custody Tuesday night
pending charges, police said.
Bell-Kracht's slaying ended what officials say was an abusive
relationship that left a trail of court documents and police reports.
For family members who had tried to steer her clear of the violence, it
opened another painful chapter even as police and prosecutors pondered
whether to charge Kracht.
"We're just numb," said Bell-Kracht's brother Shaun Winston, 24,
standing outside his family's Richton Park home as family and friends
filed in.
"That was my baby," Winston said, describing his sister as "the closest
sibling I had."
Harvey police officials were tight-lipped about the details of the
slayings, which occurred in the 15100 block of Marshfield Avenue. They
could not confirm how the victims died or whether a weapon had been
found.
At a news conference outside the brick bungalow where the slayings
occurred, Cmdr. Merritt Gentry told reporters that he did not expect
charges to be filed Tuesday by the Cook County state's attorney's
office. Autopsies were scheduled for Wednesday.
"It's going to be a while," Gentry said. "We don't foresee any charges
at this time, or any time soon, because there is a great deal of
investigative work still to be done."
Family members described a relationship that was happy at first but
quickly deteriorated.
Winston said he introduced the two. He knew Kracht when both were
students at Thornton Township High School in Harvey and ran into him
again, in the summer of 2002, at the University of Illinois' Chicago
campus, where Winston was studying journalism. Kracht appeared sullen
and depressed, Winston said.
"He said he wanted to get his life together," Winston said. "I told him
to come hang with me. I regret ever doing that."
A devout Jehovah's Witness, Winston took Kracht to the movies, brought
him to the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses Church in Chicago and
introduced him to his sister.
Bell-Kracht, the middle of six siblings, was quiet and shy but loved
dancing and showing off in front of her family, Winston said. She became
drawn to Winston's new friend. They hit it off and were married four
months later, in January 2003, he said. Kracht moved into the family's
home on Capri Lane in Richton Park that summer.
But trouble soon started.
On Oct. 6, 2003, Richton Park police responded to a domestic-disturbance
call at the home.
"They had gotten into a verbal argument, and she called police," said
Richton Park Police Chief Leonard Czaplewski. "She did not want to press
charges."
After that incident, the family expelled Kracht from the home, and he
lived with friends and family members in Harvey while keeping in touch
with Bell-Kracht, Winston said.
A year later, on Oct. 17, court records show, police responded to 2353
W. 57th St. in Markham and arrested Kracht on charges that he, "struck
[his wife] about the torso with closed fists and threw her down to the
ground."
Kracht was arrested that afternoon and charged with misdemeanor domestic
battery.
At a hearing the next day, he was released on his own recognizance, but
was ordered not to harass, abuse or stalk Bell-Kracht. He also was
ordered to stay away from the Capri Lane home and the Charter One Bank
in Homewood, where Bell-Kracht had been working as a teller since July.
Visits with Emery were to be arranged through his mother, court
documents show.
Bell-Kracht dropped the charges at the first court hearing on Nov. 8.
She did so, Winston said, because she needed Kracht's help in caring for
Emery and it was too difficult with the court's protective order.
"We listen very closely to our victims, and we take very seriously what
their wishes are," said Tom Stanton, a spokesman for the state's
attorney's office. "In this instance she did not wish to continue with
the charges."
But in the interest of protecting the victim, even if she asks for the
charges to be dropped, the state's attorney's office generally will not
comply at the bail hearing, according to Dan Tsatoros, a former
assistant state's attorney who is the court advocate coordinator and
civil attorney for the South Suburban Family Shelter.
To protect the victim, the court will have jurisdiction over the person
accused of abuse, who, at a bail hearing, is ordered not to have contact
with the victim for 72 hours, and sometimes longer. After that period,
even if the victim decides to drop the charges, the state can, without
her cooperation, pursue a "victimless prosecution," Tsatoros said.
"But if the state cannot meet its burden of proof without the testimony
of the victim, then the prosecutors' hands may be tied and are forced to
dismiss the charges," he said. Such changes of heart occur about 75
percent of the time, he said.
Winston said his younger sister was on her way to getting back on her
feet and trying to rid herself of her past with Kracht. On Saturday, she
had moved into her own apartment in Steger, where she planned to raise
Emery, and was saving to file for divorce, he said.
Last Wednesday, Winston said, he pulled Kracht aside after services at
Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses Church and gave a stern, quiet
warning: "Do not put your hands on my sister again."
"He was so bothered by what was going on in his life, he didn't even
seem to listen," Winston said.
Kracht showed up at the church on Sunday to pick up Emery, Winston said.
Bell-Kracht was scheduled to pick up the child from Kracht's mother's
house Monday.
Copyright © 2004, Chicago Tribune
2-22-04
By NANCY H. McLAUGHLIN, Staff Writer
News & Record
RALEIGH -- The baby would be 7 now, in elementary school and learning to
read.
In an ideal world, her death never would have happened. In an ideal
world, the teenage mom wouldn't be longing for forgiveness.
An ideal world is the one Racquel Phifer wants to be a part of -- not
the concrete-and-glass world of the North Carolina Correctional
Institution for Women, where she is serving 10 to 13 years for the
second-degree murder of her only child.
"I wished my mother could have looked at me and known something was
wrong," the petite 27-year-old says of the concealed pregnancy in
Greensboro in 1997 that led to her life spiraling out of control.
The high school dropout who had been raped as a child had already showed
signs of undiagnosed mental illnesses before she gave birth that January
to the infant the Greensboro community would come to know as Baby Jane
Doe.
With her parents at work and her brother in school, Phifer laid out
blankets on a cold day and delivered the baby on the floor of a room in
her parent's upper-middle-class home.
After bathing her, playing with her dark hair and counting tiny fingers
and toes, Phifer wrapped the hours-old newborn in a clean white blanket
and placed her in a Dumpster in nearby Oka T. Hester Park. A man looking
for cans the next day found her among the garbage.
Phifer's was the latest in a string of concealed pregnancies on the East
Coast that ended in dead newborns that year. But the discovery of the
dead baby in a Greensboro trash bin touched the heart of the community.
It responded by taking care of Phifer's baby as if she were its own,
dressing her tiny body in a donated white gown and diaper, transporting
her to a graveyard in a hearse followed by a caravan of cars and
carefully etching a grave marker that read: "May we reach out in love to
every child in need."
"The fact that she was buried and put away nicely -- that all helps,"
says Phifer's mother, Baleria Phifer, a teacher who wouldn't know that
the infant dominating local news coverage was her grandbaby until her
daughter's arrest. "She was taken care of, she was surrounded by love''
from the community.
More than 500 people showed up for the funeral.
"What I remember most are the pictures of that little infant in the
bottom of that Dumpster," says Howard Neumann, the Guilford County
assistant district attorney who prosecuted the case that summer. "I can
still close my eyes and see her there."
Phifer, who won't be eligible for parole for at least three years, wants
people to know she's sorry. She also wants to say "thank you" to the
people who saw that the child she named Ri'vene Lea Anderson had a
proper burial.
?Phifer, dressed in a dark-blue prison jumpsuit and girlishly pretty
with her sliver of silver eye shadow, has spent years in therapy dealing
with illnesses diagnosed after she was arrested, including dissociative
amnesia, which causes fragmented memory, and schizoaffective disorder,
which is marked by major depression and psychotic symptoms.
She says she can't remember all of what happened the day she put her
daughter in the Dumpster, but she knows it never should have happened.
She wants girls who may face her predicament to know her story and how a
split-second decision could ruin their lives and the lives of others.
"If you don't want to tell your parents, tell somebody," says a suddenly
subdued Phifer, also known as Inmate 58449, who still looks 19 except
for the natural burst of gray in her hair. "I would love to have (the
public's) forgiveness. I would love to have their understanding. But I'm
doing this so that anybody else going through this will tell somebody.
"I know that type of fear is unbearable," Phifer says.
Phifer remains troubled by the past. She wishes she could go back to the
day she thought she was pregnant. She says she knows it will be hard for
people to understand how she could hold her baby and then place her in
the trash bin in frigid weather.
"I actually thought of it as a baby sitter," Phifer says. "I got in and
out of it four times. There was no trash in it. I put her there and told
her I would come back."
Growing up in a strict home, Phifer had an exaggerated fear of
disappointing her parents. Life already had been difficult. She had
flunked at least three grades and dropped out of high school. In their
investigation, police would find years-old suicide letters Phifer had
written after she was raped at 11 by an older male relative.
In her devout Jehovah's Witness family, Phifer grew up hearing that sex
before marriage was immoral. Her parents didn't know about the rape.
They would have been mortified had they known about the pregnancy. She
saw her situation as hopeless and believed she had no options.
"That would have been disgraceful to my mother," Phifer says. " 'What
people think' is how I was raised."
Baleria Phifer didn't know about the deep-seeded antagonism her daughter
held against her until she heard Racquel's confession read in court.
Phifer says she was closer to her father, Larry, a long-distance truck
driver.
She was able to hide her pregnancy because she had gained and lost 100
pounds the year before, something doctors later attributed to bulimia
nervosa, an eating disorder.
As the baby grew inside her, Phifer began reading baby books and decided
that she would ask an aunt if she could move into the aunt's home. But
her aunt began helping someone else, so Phifer kept silent. The baby's
father, a young man she had met at a part-time job, had moved back to
Illinois. He wanted her to join him, but she had said no.
She says she called crisis-pregnancy agencies but somehow got it in her
head that they just wanted to take her baby.
"I said, 'Could you help me tell my parents?' and they said, 'We can
send you somewhere.' ''
Her water broke about midnight on Jan. 29. She delivered the baby at
2:27 p.m. the next day.
She had read "The Complete Book of Pregnancy and Childbirth'' and,
remembering what she had learned in some medical classes, had already
gathered blankets and scissors.
She says she was in labor when she drove her mother to work that
morning.
"It was like I was doctor, nurse, coach," Phifer says. "I had read a
lot, but then I was worried: What if she was breeched or needed special
care?"
After delivering the baby, Phifer got into the bathtub with the baby and
played with her until the phone rang.
"I'd decided I was just going to hand her to my mother," Phifer
remembers thinking.
But her mother, who wanted her daughter to pick her up at work, was
already angry when Phifer picked up the telephone.
"She was saying, 'Why aren't you here?' " Phifer says. "I wished I could
have been woman enough to say, 'I'm late because I've just delivered my
baby.' "
Instead, she panicked.
She drove around her neighborhood and then to nearby Hester Park, where
she came upon the Dumpster.
Then she drove to her mother's job and picked her up, falling asleep in
the car as her mother carried out her errands. Back at home she slept
for the next 16 hours.
She didn't go back to the Dumpster. She says she doesn't know why. In
her mind, it was almost as if none of it had happened.
But it had.
Darlene Maynard, a grief counselor who had already helped survivors and
relatives of the Columbine school shootings and Oklahoma City bombing
with their recovery, was one of the first to step forward when word got
out that a dead baby had been found in a park.
"There had been several babies up north left to die. It was like, 'My
goodness, this has come home,' " says Maynard, then-director of a
Greensboro grief and loss-education center.
She began organizing a community funeral. People began calling, wanting
to help. The city donated a burial plot at Maplewood Cemetery. The
funeral drew a crowd that reflected the city's races, ages and
economics.
Saying it touched the community emotionally is not an overstatement,
says Maynard, who was part of the 150-car funeral procession.
"We get to the corner of Florida and Aycock streets, and these two old
'bummy-type' men, they stopped when her hearse went by and put their
hands across their heart and saluted," Maynard says.
"She had become a symbol for our community," Maynard says. "I thought it
was one of the most healing things our community has come together to
do. Here was this child that belonged to no one, and all of a sudden we
were getting all kinds of toys and dolls and books and balloons to be
placed on her grave."
Phifer says she knew none of that. For the next few weeks, she didn't
watch the news. Only after a detective showed up at her door, saying
someone had called police to report she had been pregnant, were her
thoughts drawn back to the Dumpster. A co-worker who had guessed early
on that she was pregnant called Crime Stoppers.
Investigators talked to Phifer and other potential suspects. After
taking a lie-detector test, Phifer was arrested. The first-degree murder
charge eventually would be reduced to one of second-degree murder.
"It lacked that component of evil that so many crimes we deal with up
here involve," Neumann says. "This was not a crime where she hated that
child. This was an immature child herself who was confronted with a
situation ... and she couldn't figure out how to deal with it."
During those few months in jail, she had heard of the other East Coast
cases similar to hers, including the case of college students Brian
Peterson and Amy Grossberg, who put their baby in a Dumpster and were
eventually sentenced to less than two years in jail.
"I think half of me thought it would be OK and I would go home," Phifer
says. "When Amy had the baby in the hotel, there were complications, but
Brian beat the baby in the head with a baseball bat. I didn't harm
Ri'vene in any way. No scars. No bruises. No nothing. I was the only one
to hold her. I loved her."
Phifer's judge could have given her as little as seven years, 10 months
in prison or as much as 16 years, 5 months. He sentenced her to 10 to 13
years.
Almost immediately strangers began writing her.
"I was waiting for the hate mail, but they were very encouraging,''
Phifer says of the letters, one of which advised her to "Keep your head
up, sister.'' "Older people... were telling me it's going to be OK,
people make mistakes."
At first, other inmates, many of them mothers, responded to her in
anger.
"I've been called everything but a child of God. I went through, 'It's
Daddy's baby, Mama did it,' and I took the rap."
A couple of inmates from Greensboro took her under their wings, and
today she considers many of the people there like family.
Since then Phifer has earned her high school diploma and taken every
self-improvement class available except culinary arts. "I simply can't
cook," she says with a shy smile.
She has also drawn closer to her mother.
"She tries. I think she does," Phifer says of her mother. "My mother
does blame herself for this. But I also had to think about it. I wasn't
a child who came with instructions. She did the best she could."
Her parents visit frequently.
"We were really close. She was just sick," says Baleria Phifer, who says
she has seen her daughter mature with therapy.
"I deal with it better now, but I think it's something that will always
be with me," Baleria Phifer says of the loss that she, too, feels.
Baleria Phifer has given her daughter one of the pictures she was able
to get of Ri'vene in her white casket. The rest, including the newspaper
clippings and a few of the stuffed animals people left at her grave,
have been packed up and placed in Phifer's bedroom closet, waiting for
her return.
"I really don't see her as gone," Phifer says. "I know she is. I just
don't have that closure."
Contact Nancy H. McLaughlin at 373-7049 or nmcla...@news-record.com
 
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Fort Lauderdale man fatally shoots son, self
The Associated Press
Posted August 26, 2003
FORT LAUDERDALE -- A man fatally shot himself and his 12-year-old son
early Monday after arguing with the boy's mother, police said.
Carl Dennis Mackey, 41, and his son, Brian, were found fatally shot when
a SWAT team entered the house about 5 a.m.
The boy's mother, Laura Mackey, ran out of the house shortly after
midnight and told officers that her husband was trying to kill her,
Detective Jack DiCristofalo said.
The officers had been responding to a separate incident across the
street.
"She said she'd heard two shots fired. She said they'd been having
domestic problems," DiCristofalo said.
Officials made phone calls to the house and to the family's cell phones
for the next few hours.
Hostage negotiators were never able to make contact, and officers heard
no further shots fired, DiCristofalo said.
About 5 a.m., a SWAT team entered the house and found the bodies.
A small-caliber, semiautomatic handgun was on the floor near Carl
Mackey's body, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported.
"We're totally shocked. Carl was always a gentleman, a religious and
family man type of guy," said Mike Scott, Mackey's supervisor at
Plantation's public works department.
"He was always upbeat and smiling."
DiCristofalo said Laura Mackey was with family Monday.
 
 
April 3, 2003
Longo's in-law defends MaryJane
By Bill Bishop 
The Register-Guard
 
NEWPORT - There was never any doubt in Sally Clark's mind that her
sister, MaryJane Longo, would choose to be a mother, and would be a good
one.
Clark testified Wednesday as one of the final witnesses in the
aggravated murder trial of Christian Michael Longo, the man who swore on
the witness stand Tuesday that MaryJane murdered two of their children
before he murdered her and their youngest child in December 2001.
Longo, 29, faces a possible death sentence for killing MaryJane, 34, and
their daughter, Madison, 2. A jury will soon decide whether he also is
guilty of killing his son, Zachery, 4, and daughter, Sadie, 3.
Dry-eyed, calm and focused, Clark never looked at Longo in 20 minutes of
testimony during which she recalled how MaryJane played house as a
child, baby-sat as an adolescent and worked for 10 years in a pediatric
doctor's office as a young adult - eventually becoming the office
manager.
"She was always very good with children," Clark said.
Describing MaryJane as "my best friend," Clark said she and MaryJane
remained close after they both married and became mothers. On a weekly
basis they would meet to take their children to a museum, a zoo or to
some other child-oriented activity while they both lived in Michigan,
Clark testified.
"She was very attentive to kids," Clark testified.
Asked by Paulette Sanders, chief Lincoln County deputy district
attorney, whether she had ever seen MaryJane do anything that caused her
to have concern for a child's safety, Clark responded, "Absolutely not."
Clark described MaryJane as "a quiet, shy, mild person," who was so
devoted to the Jehovah's Witnesses church that she joined Clark to
voluntarily do 1,000 hours of door-to-door ministry in a single year.
Clark testified that MaryJane seemed not to know much about the large
debts that Longo was running up on credit cards.
She said MaryJane told her she understood why Longo wrote bad checks
against a construction company that owed him money, and why Longo did
not want church elders to know about the fraud.
Asked by Sanders whether she'd ever known MaryJane to lie to her or to
others, Clark relied, "Never."
After Longo and MaryJane moved to Oregon, without notice and with no
forwarding address, Clark said she notified state police, Secret Service
and FBI officials in two states. She said she knew Longo was hiding from
the law and arrest warrants had been issued against him.
Asked what she would have done had MaryJane called her from Oregon to
say she was in trouble, Clark said, "I would have been out here in a
heartbeat."
Clark's testimony closed the 12th day of Longo's trial, cut short
because the prosecution's final witness - a state medical examiner - was
unavailable.
The jury may begin deliberating after the final witness and closing
statements today.
Copyright 2003 The Register-Guard
unless labeled as being from the Associated Press (AP),
in which case Copyright 2003 Associated Press
 
Jurors Convict Mom Of Murder For Toilet-Drowning Infant
Juror Claims Panel Unaware They Had Other Options
AP, Oct. 24, 2002
www.nbc4.tv/
RIVERSIDE, Calif. -- Jurors who convicted a woman of second-degree
murder in the toilet-drowning death of her newborn son may not have
realized that they could have convicted her of involuntary manslaughter.
Donna Michelle Knight's sentencing was postponed for at least two months
by Superior Court Judge Ronald Taylor so defense attorney Grover Porter
can question jurors to determine if they misunderstood instructions. One
juror claimed the panel didn't know involuntary manslaughter was an
option.
Knight, 37, was convicted June 14 of murdering her son in September
1999. The 10-woman, two-man jury returned a second-degree murder
verdict, which calls for 15 years to life in prison. Involuntary
manslaughter carries a maximum sentence of four years.
Deputy District Attorney Deena Bennett had sought a first-degree murder
conviction, arguing that the unmarried woman intentionally killed her
baby after concealing her pregnancy because she was afraid of
repercussions from her Jehovah's Witness church.
Bennett said the religion considers sexual relations outside of marriage
grounds for excommunication.
Porter argued that Knight, who weighed at least 275 pounds, did not know
she was pregnant and on the day of the baby's death she was taking
antidepressants and other medication and could not remember what
happened.
Although jurors were given an instruction for involuntary manslaughter,
the foreman told them they could not consider that option, a juror said.
Actually, it was voluntary manslaughter that was not to be considered.
 
 
 
Family of Six Found Dead in McMinnville
Bryants described as 'perfect family'
Bryant murder/suicide oddly similar to Christian Longo case
 
Family of six found dead; police believe father killed family, then self
March 15, 2002
MCMINNVILLE - The community of McMinnville was visibly shaken after
investigators discovered a family of six shot to death in their home in
an apparent murder-suicide Friday.
Robert Bryant is believed to have shot his wife and four children -
whose ages range from 9 to 15 - before turning the gun on himself, said
Yamhill County District Attorney Bradley C. Berry.
 
 

Robert Bryant was found dead in the living room, 37-year-old Janet Ellen
Bryant in the master bedroom, and their four children in their beds,
Berry said.
All had been killed by shotgun blasts.
"Evidence ... indicates that Mr. Robert Bryant killed his wife and
children and then took his own life," Berry said, although a motive is
not yet known.
"It was a horrible sight," Berry said.
The children last attended school on Feb. 22, and the shootings are
believed to have occurred the following day, he said.
Dead are the 37-year-old father, his 37-year-old wife, Janet Ellen
Bryant, as well as 15-year-old Clayton, 12-year-old Ethan, 10-year-old
Ashley and 9-year-old Alissa Bryant.
Bryant was a self-employed landscaping contractor.
Family Leaves California After Being Shunned; Bryant Parents Worried
About Custody Battle
A former California neighbor, Albert Clary, said the Bryants and their
relatives were Jehovah's Witnesses.
According to Clary, Robert Bryant got into an argument with a church
leader over the Bible while he and his family were still living in
California.
The family was reportedly shunned by both other Jehovah's witnesses as
well as their own relatives following the incident.
In fact, the Bryants were essentially kicked out of the church three
years ago, KATU News learned from an elder church member of the
California congregation to which the Bryants belonged.
"Mr. Bryant was expelled from the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
for conduct that was not in harmony with Bible principles, and chose to
move his family from the area away from friends and family," said
congregation elder Mark Messier Sr.
Also, Mr. and Mrs. Bryant were concerned that relatives may seek custody
of their four children, Messier said.
According to the church elder, relatives of the Bryant family had
already filed documents in an effort to seek custody.
The Bryants came to Oregon last summer to make a fresh start, a former
neighbor of the family told KATU News.
Two Jehovah's Witnesses who were at the McMinnville church on Friday
said they had never heard of the Bryants.
A study of California bankruptcy records indicates that the family moved
to McMinnville from Shingle Springs California, where the father had a
landscaping business called Bryant's Landscape Maintenance.
 
A Gruesome Discovery
Two Yamhill County sheriff's deputies were in the vicinity of the
Bryants' McMinnville home Thursday night when neighbors approached them
to express concern about the family.
Deputies spotted what appeared to be a body inside the home. They
obtained a search warrant and found all six bodies inside.
On Friday, deputies roped off the area around the Bryants' manufactured
home on a hillside outside McMinnville, a prosperous town in the heart
of Oregon's wine-growing country.
Detectives searched the grounds for clues but found nothing.
The home sits on about two acres of a rural subdivision west of
McMinnville, in hills at the foot of Oregon's Coast Range and about 20
miles south of Portland.
"There Were No Warning Signs"
Neighbors told investigators the Bryants were planning to build a larger
house on the site.
"It was our understanding that they planned to build a bigger home and
then sell it...so he had a lot of ideas of what he was going to do in
the future, so this really surprised us," family acquaintance Colin
Armstrong told KATU News.
In a phone interview, Jeanna Wright told katu.com that her daughter
Jaden was friends with Ashley Bryant at Memorial Elementary School. Mrs.
Wright said her daughter had not seen Ashley in Mrs. Mecker's class for
two weeks and was concerned.
Karen Richey, assistant superintendent for the McMinnville School
District, said teachers had noticed the children's absence from school
and several attempts were made to contact the Bryants.
"We had people knocking on the door several times," but no one ever
answered the door, she said.
At first school officials weren't alarmed, because it is not uncommon
for students to be absent during the flu season, she said.
School officials say that a 10-day absence is not unheard of, and there
were no real warning signs to alert them that anything may have been
wrong at home.
Ashley's younger sister Alissa was a second grade student at Memorial
Elementary.
Ethan was a sixth grader at Patton Middle School, and Clayton, the
oldest, attended McMinnville High School.
The Children Were Well-Liked
Not surprisingly, this apparent murder-suicide has saddened many who
knew the Bryant children.
"Ethan Bryant was a very nice young man, he had many friends. We are
very saddened by this tragedy," Assistant Principal of Patton Middle
School, Mark Hyder told katu.com.
"Ethan was new to our district this year...he was a very popular
sixth-grader," said Hyder. "We're just trying to get through this day
supporting students and their families."
In a press conference this morning, McMinnville Superintendent Elaine
Taylor told the media, "the Memorial staff is understandably very
grief-stricken, the two teachers of the children...are having a
difficult time..."
It was clear that Taylor was struggling to maintain composure.
Alissa and Ashley Bryant were described by Memorial Elementary staff as
"bright students who showed an interest in school."
McMinnville High School, Patton Middle School, and Memorial Elementary
all have extra counselors on site today to help students and staff cope
with their grief.
 
Bryants described as 'perfect family'
March 16, 2002
MCMINNVILLE, ORE. (AP) - Robert Bryant moved his family to Oregon from
California last year abruptly after becoming estranged from his parents
and siblings over church issues and going into bankruptcy.
Things started getting better when they arrived in McMinnville.
Now, friends and acquaintances are asking themselves why Bryant would
kill his wife Janet, their four children and himself, destroying what
one acquaintance called "a perfect family."
Yamhill County District Attorney Bradley Berry has listed the deaths as
murder-suicide and says they probably took place about Feb. 23. They
were not reported until suspicious neighbors alerted sheriff's deputies
late Thursday night.
Dead are Robert Arlie and Janet Ellen, both 37, and children Clayton
Keith, 15, Ethan Lance, 12, Ashley Rose, 10, and Alyssa Megan, 9.
Investigators believe Robert Bryant killed the other five with one
shotgun blast each, then turned the gun on himself.
Neighbors in McMinnville and a family spokesman in California say the
fallout was due to undisclosed differences between Bryant and the
Jehovah's Witness church he had attended for years.
Jehovah's Witnesses in Shingle Springs had banned Robert Bryant from the
congregation there, an act that members call "disfellowship." The action
was taken, church elder Mark Messier said, for Bryant's "unrepentant
behavior" that violated church beliefs. Then his family apparently did
so as well.
RV park owner Howard Angell said Robert confided the family had left a
"big problem" in California, actually fleeing out of fear in the middle
of the night, the McMinnville News-Register reported.
Hermina Sampson of McMinnville met Robert Bryant soon after he came to
town last summer and was going door to door drumming up work for his
landscaping business. "He told me he had to get away from the
grandparents," she said. "The grandparents were kind of trying to
brainwash the children."
A former California neighbor, Albert Clary, said Robert Bryant held
Bible studies every Tuesday at his Shingle Springs home. But he
homeschooled his children and limited other interaction. "They were sort
of standoffish people," Clary said.
Berry said investigators may never learn why a man described as
mild-mannered and deeply religious would murder a wife and children
described as doting and devoted.
The family had installed a double-wide mobile home on a two-acre lot
west of town in December. The Bryants enrolled the children in
McMinnville public schools. They had planned to live in the mobile home
only long enough to build a new house.
Four weapons were found in the house including two shotguns that Berry
said were used in the crime.
Each family member died from a single blast at close range. "One shotgun
shell casing was accounted for and recovered at the scene for each
victim," Berry said.
The children had virtually perfect attendance records through Friday,
Feb. 22. But they had not been seen in class since.
Phone calls and checks at the house got no answer.
"They were just as nice a couple as you'd ever want to meet," said
Dennis Goecks, who sold the Bryants the two-acre lot last summer.
"It's one of those things that just doesn't compute."
The family lived in Shingle Springs quietly and, according to those who
knew them were polite, but not outgoing. Brenda Maranville rented the
Bryants a house for four years, and then sold it to them.
"They were wonderful renters, they were immaculate caretakers, their
kids were always so well behaved - it's like the perfect family," she
said.
Goecks said the Bryants bought the view lot west of McMinnville from him
last summer and had finished paying for it by the end of the year.
Peggy Ojeda, office manager of the Dayton park where the family stayed
for a short time said the family arrived June 11.
One of his first steps was creation of Bryant's Landscape & Maintenance,
registered with the state at the RV park address.
"They were an extremely nice, very quiet family," Ojeda said. "They did
everything together. "The children positively drooled over their dad.
They never seemed afraid of him."
They aggressively advertised the business, both in the newspaper and
with leaflets, and the business took off.
Robert presented a proposal to RV park owner Angell to re-landscape the
entire park, but phoned back in November to say he had taken on too much
other work.
Vern Skoog of Homes America had many dealings with the family in
connection with the double-wide home's purchase. He remembers Robert as
a "really pleasant guy." Skoog said, "He had gone through some
difficulties in California, including a business bankruptcy. He was
looking to make a fresh start."
The Bryants moved into the home just before Christmas.
On Jan. 13, 2000, the Bryants filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy. They had
unsecured debts of $57,000, mostly on credit cards. They had a home
valued at $175,000, but had little equity in it.
The bankruptcy freed the Bryants from the credit card debt and some of
the other debt.
By June, the Bryants had a fresh start, and set out to rebuild their
businesses and finances. They continued to pay off more than $11,000
that they legally didn't have pay to Steve and Brenda Maranville.
"We struggled a little bit to get financing in place, but we were able
to do it," Skoog said. He said he discounts financial pressures as a
reason for the murder-suicide. The Bryant's California bankruptcy
attorney agreed. "The bankruptcy took care of their financial problems,"
said Julia Gibbs. "They probably should have been fine."
 
Similarities between the Bryant case and the Longo murders
March 15, 2002
 
The Bryant case bears some similarities to the case of Christian
Longo--also accused of murdering his family.
Like the Bryants, the Longo's were Jehovah's witnesses and were also
disfellowshipped--or, kicked out--by their church. In Christian Longo's
case it was allegedly because of repeated run-in's he had with the law.
Also like the Bryants, the Longo family moved to Oregon with the stated
goal of "starting a new life."
One key difference: after allegedly murdering his 3 children and his
wife, Christian Longo did not take his own life.
Instead, he spent several weeks on the run before being captured in
Mexico.
 
 
Source: katu.com
JW parents murder their daughter by hitting her 160 times with a 5-foot
stretch of electrical cable
 
Girl died after parents hit her 160 times, court told
By Kirsten Scharnberg and Eric Ferkenhoff, Tribune staff reporters.
Tribune staff reporter Rudolph Bush contributed to this report
Published November 14, 2001
Even veteran prosecutors were stunned by the case outlined in court
Tuesday: A South Side couple were accused of flogging their 12-year-old
daughter to death with a 5-foot stretch of electrical cable after she
was tied down.
Larry and Constance Slack, described by neighbors as devoutly religious,
delivered 160 blows to their daughter Laree, according to the charges,
stuffing a towel in her mouth at one point to silence her screams.
"This is the absolute worst I've seen," Assistant State's Atty. Robert
Hovey whispered as the Slacks, both 41, were led into the courtroom. The
pair were ordered held without bond on first-degree murder charges in
the fatal weekend beating of their daughter as well as charges of
aggravated battery of a child for the beating of their 8-year-old son.
In a slow, steady voice, Assistant State's Atty. Beth Pfeiffer stood
before the judge and began to read the accusations against the Slacks,
described by authorities and neighbors as Jehovah's Witnesses who were
so strict with their six children that they were not even allowed to
play with other kids from the neighborhood.
According to Pfeiffer, the couple had been planning to go out for dinner
Saturday night but had been unable to locate a jacket that had Constance
Slack's wallet and credit cards in the pocket. So Larry Slack ordered
the children, who range in age from 8 to 17, to search for it.
When the children did not seem to be looking hard enough for the jacket,
Pfeiffer said, Larry Slack grabbed an electric cable that was about
three-quarters of an inch thick and lashed the couple's 8-year-old son,
Lester, four to five times in the legs and buttocks.
Larry Slack, a Chicago Transit Authority machinist for the past 22
years, soon grew even angrier because dirty laundry was scattered about
the house, impeding the search, the prosecutor said. Laree had been in
charge of washing and putting away laundry in the home, Pfeiffer said.
"Larry Slack then ordered Laree to `assume the position,´" the
prosecutor said, which meant that the 12-year-old was to stand ready to
be whipped.
Larry Slack lashed Laree four or five times with the same cord he had
used on her brother, according to the prosecutor, but he grew angrier
still when the girl attempted to squirm away. The father ordered his two
teenage sons to tie Laree face down to a metal futon frame and then
administered 39 lashes to the girl's back, Pfeiffer said. Constance
Slack then took the cord and whipped the girl 20 more times, the
prosecutor alleged.
The first-floor Cook County courtroom, usually abuzz with lawyers
talking about their upcoming cases or milling about distributing
paperwork, grew silent as the prosecutor spoke. The details she told the
judge next seemed to shock everyone even more.
Girl began to scream
According to Pfeiffer, when Laree began to scream, Larry Slack ordered
his sons to fetch a towel to stuff in her mouth. He then tied a scarf
over the towel and used a stick to wind the scarf like a tourniquet into
place.
He then cut off his daughter's shirt, ordered the other children to pull
off her pants and whipped her 39 more times, the prosecutor said.
Constance followed with 20 more lashes, Pfeiffer said.
As Laree writhed from what would total more than 160 blows, the girl's
back began to bleed. So, according to Pfeiffer, Larry Slack untied her,
turned her over and beat her 39 more times on her stomach and chest.
"It was an awful one," Pfeiffer said after court, shaking her head. "And
to think they involved the other children, that's what gets me."
The case of Laree Slack, who was pronounced dead at South Shore Hospital
just hours after her beating, has rattled even seasoned child abuse
experts.
"Do you know how hard it is to kill a 12-year-old?" said Demetra Soter,
a physician who is coordinator of pediatric trauma at Cook County
Hospital.
According to Soter, children as old as Laree Slack require "massive
amounts of force to die like this." Soter said she had only heard of two
comparable cases in recent years, one a DuPage County teenager whose
father is accused of fatally beating him for stealing a car.
John Goad, the associate deputy director of the Illinois Department of
Children and Family Services, concurred. He said the vast majority of
homicides involving children are in cases where the child is under the
age of 3. Those children, Goad said, often are on the receiving end of
their caregiver's rage because they have soiled their pants or cried
uncontrollably.
In addition, Goad said, Laree's death comes at a time when child abuse
cases are hitting new lows in Cook County. He cited a 22.7 percent
decrease in reported abuse cases in Cook County the last five years.
Goad said part of the reason for the drop is that social service
agencies are getting better at counseling families who are reported as
having abused or neglected their children.
DCFS officials said Tuesday that the Slack family, who live in the 7900
block of South Brandon Avenue, has had at least one contact with the
department in the past.
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Wednesday, February 08, 2006
 Jehovah's Witnesses cult of death
The Watchtower Cult IS Jonestown without the Kool-Aid!
 
Governing Body as evil rulers causing death
WATCHTOWER LEADERS are BLOOD GUILTY  BLASPHEMERS from 1879-2006 and
RESPONSIBLE for EVERY DEAD BODY IN BETWEEN
How many ticking time bombs out there? surrogate/displacement rage
JW SLAUGHTERS HIS WHOLE FAMILY
April 13, 2006
Jehovah's Witness Man slaughters family -
Eloy Leon Kings was, apparently, a well liked and respected man in his
local community. A devout Jehovas witness, he was a regular churchgoer
and apparently a loving husband and father. There were no obvious signs
to the outside world that something appeared to be going wrong with Mr
Kings.
After awaking early one Thursday morning he read from his bible, took a
knife, and set about trying to murder his family. His first victim, 8
year old Lucia, dies from having her throat cut. As she lay bleeding to
death he then went after his wife, also named Lucia, whom he repeatedly
stabbed. He then cut the throats of his remaining two daughters, 5 year
old Dana and 6 year old Light. Light survived the attack but is, as of
this writing, still under critical care for severe neck wounds.
Following his rampage Mr Kings turned the knife on himself, sawing into
his throat. However, he suffered only minor damage to the skin and
subcutaneous layers . The frantic Mr Kings had to be heavily
tranquilised by doctors before they could treat his self inflicted
injuries.
Investigators have been trying to piece together why Mr Kings would
suddenly attempt to murder his whole family. Under interrogation Mr
Kings would only reply with religious verse about Satan and how he
wanted to "Take his family to paradise".
 
 
Spanish language "My book Bible stories" background of crime scene photo
 
 
Below is ghoulish Watchtower art that followers are indoctrinated with:
 
  
Above WT 'Paradise lost to paradise regained' aka the "paradise book"
was published in 1958 i was born to JW pioneer parents in 1957 so this
was my first 'theocratic' coloring book
 
 
 
 
               GHOULS for GOD

 
 This pic above (not from the WT) is nearly identical to a Black and
White 2' X 4' "visual aid"  that my Jehovah's Witness elder dad used
in Kingdom Hall sermons (public talks) all during the mid to late
1960's.Yes,us good little Jehovah kiddies would be sitting pretty as you
please front row center.
 
 
 
Jehovah's Witnesses: Worldwide Annual Growth (%) Membership losses in 80
countries (with internet access)
 
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor
is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is
expressed in The Watchtower. (The Watchtower, 1931 November 1 p.327) If
you believe that, you'll believe ANYTHING!
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Millions now living will die after all ------------------->
jw Religion is a snare and a racket -------------------
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Take courage, No ( wts/gb jw ) evil can forever withstand the collective
will of those it wrongs.
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"A man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to
believe."
-- Euripides
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Joe Smith a happy Apostate

[-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź]

I was physically sick when reading this, the JW*s are fucking posessed.

S
"Joe Smith" <anonOmus...@webtv.net> skrev i melding
news:16691-44...@storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net...

[BlackKnight]

Joe Smith wrote:
> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/112402/1963387/post.ashx
> JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH > DannyHaszardJW's TORTURES DAUGHTER
> TO DEATH
> Girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her
> Chicago Tribune, United States - 20 minutes ago
> .. Avenue, Chicago. Prosecutors have said the couple were strict
> Jehovah's Witnesses who practiced corporal punishment. Constance Slack
> ..

former and disgruntled JW's family members will INDICATE that JW's
and/or the WTBTS are wrong or at fault no matter the topic, the proof,
or the evidence. As with Carol and other anti-jw's already
"know" the reality, and do nothing but work backwards from said private
reality with respect to a given WTBTS/JW related matter, presenting
anything and everything even remotely closely apparently confirming
their a priori conviction as "proof" that they were "right all along".
A good
example is ant-jw's fetish for reposting "excerpts" of articles which
simply declare that one or more wrong/evil-doers "is"/"are" Jehovah's
Witnesses, with ZERO proof/evidence that said alleged wrong/evil-doers
actually make any attempt at all to live the alleged godly principles
allegedly embodied in the teaching(s) of the WTBTS.

One may as well post an excerpt of an article that says, "four teenagers
girls - who are *WHITE* - were caught stealing Eminem CD's
from Tower Records", in hopes of convincing the audience that said
excerpt "proves" something about "whiteness". What does the "Jehovah's
Witness" label mean, if there's no proof/evidence that those it's
applied to in one of
these "excerpts" is anything more than a JW in name/label only? Do we
look at someone that tries to run 26 miles right off the bat,
with no training, and keels over, and say, "See? Now we KNOW that
runners are screwed up!" No, we don't. Or shouldn't. But that's
the kind of currency that the Carol's and PB's of the newsgroup deal in.

[Charlië]

"Joe Smith" <anonOmus...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16691-44...@storefull-3153.bay.webtv.net...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/112402/1963387/post.ashx
JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH > DannyHaszardJW's TORTURES DAUGHTER
TO DEATH
Girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her
Chicago Tribune, United States - 20 minutes ago
.. Avenue, Chicago. Prosecutors have said the couple were strict
Jehovah's Witnesses who practiced corporal punishment. Constance Slack
..
Girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her
By Jeff Coen
Tribune staff reporter
Published April 26, 2006
Testifying against his father, Leon Slack whipped a piece of electrical
cord across a bed frame in the courtroom. The cord, he said, was like
the one his father used to beat Slack's sister to death.
Jurors watched as Slack repeatedly slapped the cord, demonstrating how
he said his father struck his sister more than 100 times after she was

tied to the same frame in November 2001........
========================
Is this a surprise? Look how they behave here. One JW is trying to get
someone "silenced" by making all kinds of false accusations - then posting
their name, address and phone number here repeatedly. The JW (Antonio L
Santana) suggests the person solicited put his victim "out of her misery
(i.e. kill her)." We had another JW (FreezaFrost) who claimed kids like
"sexual abuse." We had a woman with such severe bi-polar disorder every
other word from her mouth was obscene. I hope she's been helped. Look at
the imposter using Marie Calderones NYM! This cult is full of people with
questionable backgrounds, mental disorders, rage disorders, personality
problems, sexual obsessions and mental illnesses. It's very sad.
Here you will find clinical studies proving that the Jehovah's Witnesses
exhibit rates of mental illness between four and forty times the average for
the population at large:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/jw/jw73.html
http://google.com/groups?selm=D3J0QI5Z3823...@anonymous.poster
--
CH.......
"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."
===============================================

[Charlië]

"-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
news:deOdneFclKP...@telenor.com...

>I was physically sick when reading this, the JW*s are fucking posessed.
>

=================
They'll call the dead girl a *LIAR*, a god-hater and a follower of Satan and
think nothing of it........ you'll see how not one of them will make a
comment. If they do, it wont be about how horrible this was and the girl
was deprived of her whole life, but will babble about the resurrection and
how she'll be back in the WTS's Paradise. Oh, and those who killed her
will be as well since she was a *LIAR*, a god-hater and a follower of Satan.
The contradictions of what these people believe and are taught is one reason
so many are are or become mentally unbalanced I believe.

The JWs are no better than anyone else. Why they claim to be is because
the WTS/GB tells them they are!

--
CH.......
"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."

~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ * ~~ ~~ * ~~

[Joe Smith]

Re: JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH ›

Group: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2006, 4:56pm
(PDT+7) From: ch...@checkmate.org (BlackKnight)

Joe Smith wrote:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/112402/1963387/post.ashx JW's
TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH > DannyHaszardJW's TORTURES DAUGHTER
TO DEATH
Girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her Chicago Tribune, United
States - 20 minutes ago .. Avenue, Chicago. Prosecutors have said the
couple were strict Jehovah's Witnesses who practiced corporal
punishment. Constance Slack
.

former and disgruntled JW's family members will INDICATE that JW's
and/or the WTBTS are wrong or at fault no matter the topic, the proof,
or the evidence. As with Carol and other anti-jw's already "know" the
reality, and do nothing but work backwards from said private reality
with respect to a given WTBTS/JW related matter, presenting anything and
everything even remotely closely apparently confirming their a priori
conviction as "proof" that they were "right all along". A good
example is ant-jw's fetish for reposting "excerpts" of articles which
simply declare that one or more wrong/evil-doers "is"/"are" Jehovah's
Witnesses, with ZERO proof/evidence that said alleged wrong/evil-doers
actually make any attempt at all to live the alleged godly principles
allegedly embodied in the teaching(s) of the WTBTS.
One may as well post an excerpt of an article that says, "four teenagers
girls - who are *WHITE* - were caught stealing Eminem CD's from Tower
Records", in hopes of convincing the audience that said excerpt "proves"
something about "whiteness". What does the "Jehovah's Witness" label
mean, if there's no proof/evidence that those it's applied to in one of
these "excerpts" is anything more than a JW in name/label only? Do we
look at someone that tries to run 26 miles right off the bat, with no
training, and keels over, and say, "See? Now we KNOW that runners are
screwed up!" No, we don't. Or shouldn't. But that's the kind of currency
that the Carol's and PB's of the newsgroup deal in.

--------------------

Jehovah's Witnesses, with ZERO proof/evidence that said alleged
wrong/evil-doers actually make any attempt at all to live the alleged
godly principles allegedly embodied in the teaching(s) of the WTBTS.

-------------there are NO godly principles of the WTBTS. your proof of
that

[-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź]

"Charlië" <inv...@invalid.invalid> skrev i melding news:444f...@usenet.zapto.org...
>
> "-¬Saba Gracile-¬" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message

> news:deOdneFclKP...@telenor.com...
>>I was physically sick when reading this, the JW*s are fucking posessed.
>>
> =================
> They'll call the dead girl a *LIAR*, a god-hater and a follower of Satan and think nothing of
> it........ you'll see how not one of them will make a comment. If they do, it wont be about how
> horrible this was and the girl was deprived of her whole life, but will babble about the
> resurrection and how she'll be back in the WTS's Paradise. Oh, and those who killed her will be
> as well since she was a *LIAR*, a god-hater and a follower of Satan. The contradictions of what
> these people believe and are taught is one reason so many are are or become mentally unbalanced I
> believe.
>
> The JWs are no better than anyone else. Why they claim to be is because the WTS/GB tells them
> they are!

And the frustration and stress the WT superimposes on a JW family is
nothing but ultra strong hardships, it's actually strange how not all families
blows up this way.

Saba

[PondNecromancer]

Charlië wrote:
........
> ========================
> Is this a surprise? Look how they behave here. One JW is trying to get
> someone "silenced" by making all kinds of false accusations - then posting
> their name, address and phone number here repeatedly.

I wasn't the one who call the Rutherford County Sheriff, with false
police report.
Nor did I tell all of Usenet that I was under a two state investigation
and my ISP was cooperating.

Noe I was unmasked by the Sheriff detectives... however you were.

> The JW (Antonio L
> Santana) suggests the person solicited put his victim "out of her misery
> (i.e. kill her)."

let me guess.. the (i.e kill her) Is your interpretation. In other
words you can add your own twisted slanted meaning. Too bad Your own
police dept doesn't agree with you... Liar.

[Joe Smith]

http://terrisfp.com//peg/behind.jpg

[Charlië]

"-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
news:DKednXkf98W...@telenor.com...

>
> "Charlië" <inv...@invalid.invalid> skrev i melding
> news:444f...@usenet.zapto.org...
>>

>> "-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message

>> news:deOdneFclKP...@telenor.com...
>>>I was physically sick when reading this, the JW*s are fucking posessed.
>>>
>> =================
>> They'll call the dead girl a *LIAR*, a god-hater and a follower of Satan
>> and think nothing of it........ you'll see how not one of them will make
>> a comment. If they do, it wont be about how horrible this was and the
>> girl was deprived of her whole life, but will babble about the
>> resurrection and how she'll be back in the WTS's Paradise. Oh, and
>> those who killed her will be as well since she was a *LIAR*, a god-hater
>> and a follower of Satan. The contradictions of what these people believe
>> and are taught is one reason so many are are or become mentally
>> unbalanced I believe.
>>
>> The JWs are no better than anyone else. Why they claim to be is because
>> the WTS/GB tells them they are!
>
> And the frustration and stress the WT superimposes on a JW family is
> nothing but ultra strong hardships, it's actually strange how not all
> families
> blows up this way.
>
> Saba

The families that don't blow-up as you say are the ones who don't take the
WTS's BS all that seriously. They realize much of it is glitz and show.
They don't get ulcers if they miss a few meetings and they will go to a
relative's Christmas party although they may not share gifts. They keep
their lives as "normal" as they possible can without attracting the
WT-Police to themselves.......
--
CH.....

"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."

===============================================

[Mindfucked]

"Charlië" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:444f...@usenet.zapto.org...

> > And the frustration and stress the WT superimposes on a JW family is
> > nothing but ultra strong hardships, it's actually strange how not all
> > families
> > blows up this way.
> >
> > Saba
>
> The families that don't blow-up as you say are the ones who don't take the
> WTS's BS all that seriously. They realize much of it is glitz and show.
> They don't get ulcers if they miss a few meetings and they will go to a
> relative's Christmas party although they may not share gifts. They keep
> their lives as "normal" as they possible can without attracting the
> WT-Police to themselves.......
> --

You have questioned 6 million people worldwide - obtained qualitative and
quantitative data in order to establish how seriously they take their
religion and what the state of their family life is like?

You have analyzed this data and published a checkable document for us all to
examine?

Maybe you have links to a document of that type?

I think it more likely that you are playing 'Hans Christian Anderson' again,
Carol.

[Precision]

Then everyone in the entire world is possessed since every religion has
someone who commits atrocities. Even amongst atheists there are (and I know
what I'm about to say is going to shock and anger you) murderers. Yes, ask
any police department if atheists are "above reproach" and "if no atheist
has ever committed a crime" and they will either look at you funny or maybe
laugh thinking you're joking. I know, you probably no atheist has ever
killed or tortured another human being in recorded human history, and I hate
to burst your bubble.

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"Precision" <prec...@usenet.com> skrev i melding news:1146122...@sp6iad.superfeed.net...

> Then everyone in the entire world is possessed since every religion has someone who commits
> atrocities. Even amongst atheists there are (and I know what I'm about to say is going to shock
> and anger you) murderers. Yes, ask any police department if atheists are "above reproach" and "if
> no atheist has ever committed a crime" and they will either look at you funny or maybe laugh
> thinking you're joking. I know, you probably no atheist has ever killed or tortured another human
> being in recorded human history, and I hate to burst your bubble.
>

It's not about JW's against atheists or any group against another group.
But the JW's had an official policy where it is adviced with corporal physical
punishment, from the highest of hold whom everybody listens to to stay on the
'narrow road', they had to beat their children, it was the right thing to do.
And, as with the kind of pressure the JW's are constantly under, it is not
surprising that this kind of punishment gets out of control. This is just one
example of how bad it can get, but I remember being spanked methodically
a couple of times by my then JW stepdad, who my mother had forced
to become a JW. They beat my younger siblings, etc. It was standard
procedure to use violence on their kids. This is a dangerous cult, and this
example is just one red flag to what it can cause. JW's have so much anger
in them, it's madness to allow them to beat on their children, especially.
Here its flat out illegal, and should be as all one teaches the child the example
of violence, and it changes who they are.

Saba

[Mindfucked]

"-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
news:df2dnQOWqOW...@telenor.com...

The 'no smacking' paradigm is a relatively new concept - an example of
modern sensibilities - In the sixties, seventies and even before that it was
acceptable for corporal punishment to be meted out on misbehaving kids - I
was caned several times at school for various misdemeanors - are you
suggesting that my school was a dangerous cult?

How, specifically was your stepdad 'forced' to become a JW? - was he
'forced' at gunpoint? How did he resist?

Are you suggesting that physical abuse of children is solely a JW
phenomenon?, or that it is widespread among modern JW's? In my experience
many JW families have a more 'progressive' attitude toward correction of
children - my own parents used corporal punishment - my mother has confirmed
that she would not have done that with her new, contemporary viewpoints.

[Dâlmâniô]

"-ŹSaba Gracile-Ź" <vero...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
news:df2dnQOWqOW...@telenor.com...

. This is just one
> example of how bad it can get, but I remember being spanked methodically
> a couple of times by my then JW stepdad, who my mother had forced
> to become a JW. They beat my younger siblings, etc. It was standard
> procedure to use violence on their kids. This is a dangerous cult, and
> this
> example is just one red flag to what it can cause. JW's have so much anger
> in them, it's madness to allow them to beat on their children, especially.
> Here its flat out illegal, and should be as all one teaches the child the
> example
> of violence, and it changes who they are.

The JWs will call you a liar as they do everyone who DARES expose their
nasty little secrets. I was also told to not spare the rod on my son. I
refused, telling them I saw that as CHILD ABUSE. They waggled their bibles
in my face and showed me that it was my duty as a parent to use the rod.
Well I didn't, and my son grew up to be a total success in life and his son
is already talking about going to college. What more could you want and no
"abuse" was involved.

DA........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jabriol" <jabr...@excite.com> Antonio L Santana
Jehovah's Witness from Camden NJ
news:9e9431eb.0408...@posting.google.com
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 2:45 AM
(Message of solicitation to commit murder?)
> youre doomed.. you know it.
> Help put this woman out of her misery (i.e. Murder her)
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