On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped. We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies. At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from Switzerland.
What was done?
1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful discrimination.
2) all Italian media have been informed.
2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have heard the arguments of the event.
3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that received the flyers!
4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he heard.
>On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism >practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped. >We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies. >At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from >Switzerland.
>What was done?
>1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful >discrimination.
>2) all Italian media have been informed.
>2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have >heard the arguments of the event.
>3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
>4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that >received the flyers!
>4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national >newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he >heard.
On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
> On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism > practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped. > We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies. > At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from > Switzerland.
> What was done?
> 1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful > discrimination.
Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
CJ
> 2) all Italian media have been informed.
> 2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have > heard the arguments of the event.
> 3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
> 4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that > received the flyers!
> 4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national > newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he > heard.
> On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:> On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism > > practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped. > > We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies. > > At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from > > Switzerland.
> > What was done?
> > 1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful > > discrimination.
> Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
> CJ
> > 2) all Italian media have been informed.
> > 2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have > > heard the arguments of the event.
> > 3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
> > 4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that > > received the flyers!
> > 4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national > > newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he > > heard.
the event was not made against the disfellowshipped, every company has the right to expel members if they do not follow the rules, we challenged the ostracism that follows the expulsion, it must be clear.
>On 4 Dic, 13:47, curtjester1 <curtjest...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Dec 4, 2:48=A0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:> On first of Decemb= >er we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism >> > practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped. >> > We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies. >> > At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from >> > Switzerland.
>> > What was done?
>> > 1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that sha= >meful >> > discrimination.
>> Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that >> usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then >> compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
>> CJ
>> > 2) all Italian media have been informed.
>> > 2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who= > have >> > heard the arguments of the event.
>> > 3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputie= >s.
>> > 4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians= > that >> > received the flyers!
>> > 4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national >> > newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by wh= >at he >> > heard.
>the event was not made against the disfellowshipped, every company has >the right to expel members if they do not follow the rules, we >challenged the ostracism that follows the expulsion, it must be clear.
Jehovah's Witnesses try to pretend that they don't practice shunning to the extent that they do, but mother cannot speak to daughter and brother cannot speak to sister. They cause families to break up and cause mental depression and even suicide. The Jehovah's Witnesses is a dangerous cult and everyone should be made aware of it.
> Jehovah's Witnesses try to pretend that they don't practice shunning to > the > extent that they do, but mother cannot speak to daughter and brother > cannot > speak to sister. They cause families to break up and cause mental > depression > and even suicide. The Jehovah's Witnesses is a dangerous cult and > everyone > should be made aware of it.
They destroy marriages as well. They encouraged me to leave my non-believer spouse with the biblical reason that we shouldn't be "unevenly yoked to non-believers." What bout "God hates a divorce" also in the bible? The gullible and fearful and manipulated left their spouses............
Unfortunately, that of the ostracism is a discourse that not only concerns the religions, but also the groups from which the complaints and the criticisms depart toward the tdgs that complete her.
I now say... if you try aversion for a practice completed by yours ex religion, because you same you effect the same methods to those people that disentono from your way of operating? Be well-known that the tdgs remove the regard and above all the word to the ex components of their faith, but is true altrattanto that also the forum infotdgeova ago the same thing removing the possibility to reply and to speak, also only for private messaggistica, trying to defend himself/herself/themselves from the unfair accusations that a staff of arrogant persons and entrusted arrogant they effect I pour those people whom dissent!
In short... the old writing of Romans 2:21-22 don't do her/it yours proper?" you, therefore, that teach to somebody else, don't you teach to yourself? You, that you preach of "not to steal", do you steal? 22 you, that say of "not to commit adultery", do you commit adultery? Do you, that express abomination toward the idols, steal the temples?
From that pulpit comes the sermon!!!!
Well done the whole job behind the demonstration to Rome but altrattanto done dev'essere, or should you/he/she be done verse those people who dissent from a forum, done nickname Bunker, really because of the methods that use and that go criticizing toward their antagonists followers of Jehovah, doesn't it seem you?
I write you this for duty of chronicle. Play the trumpets in front of theirs operated but then behind the scenes they are worse of those people that criticize! Exactly as the scribes and farisei.... they say, they criticize, they ostracize and then they complain him when they are criticized.... do you remember true the Christ as he/she reported them? Well, I am not certain the Christ, but I can assure you that in mine small, I have done and I am doing a lot for making to be ashamed them to make the hypocrites. This is how much I owed you. Shalom.
(This is my forum, in case someone knew how to read Italian as our friend of Salerno oldlightnewshite to which turn the appeal not to make himself/herself/themselves enchant from the lies achilliane, but to feel less also the other bell before drawing some wrong and false conclusions, equal peers to those priestly of the self-righteous epoch. www.freeforumzone.com?50304)
> Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
Sorry, but i don't speak english. I translated my answer with the help of google.
The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum. The disfellowshipped from WTS are ostracized in their private life and family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o group "regular", where the constraints simply cease association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is instead completely changed. No member of the organization can continue to maintain any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential with the disfellowshipped. If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is you also disfellowshipped. There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life, punishing he in the most intimate affections, in the bonds with relatives, friends. Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW, the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -; in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -; in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relations social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital no JW will go to visit him. If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and humiliating trial that may last a year or more before be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
So if someone tries to justify the shunning shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in other associations real or virtual, the pratice of disfellowshipping is the same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these situations.>
> In article <4cf9f25b$0$34031$4fafb...@reader2.news.tin.it>, Achille says...
> >On first of December we had a manifestation to condemn the ostracism > >practiced from Jehovah's Witnesses against every disfellowshipped. > >We made this manifestation in Rome near the Chamber of Deputies. > >At the event were present people from all over Italy and some from > >Switzerland.
> >What was done?
> >1) was prepared a leaflet of protest to inform the Italians of that shameful > >discrimination.
> >2) all Italian media have been informed.
> >2) A delegation was received by members of the Chamber of Deputies, who have > >heard the arguments of the event.
> >3) was made a leafleting outside the premises of the Chamber of Deputies.
> >4) They were stopped Franceschini, La Russa, and other parliamentarians that > >received the flyers!
> >4) As soon as possible will be released an article on a major national > >newspaper. The reporter that has collected interviews was shocked by what he > >heard.
There is more to life than JWism but you ppl have yet to find it. You seem to want them to be forced to associate with you and that is just not going to happen.
> > Why was it shameful? Did it specify how clubs and organizations that > > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then > > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
> Sorry, but i don't speak english. > I translated my answer with the help of google.
> The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from > simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum. > The disfellowshipped from WTS are ostracized in their private life and > family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o > group "regular", where the constraints simply cease > association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is > instead completely changed. > No member of the organization can continue to maintain > any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential > with the disfellowshipped. > If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is > you also disfellowshipped. > There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon > the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life, > punishing he in the most intimate affections, in the bonds with relatives, > friends. > Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW, > the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -; > in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -; > in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relations > social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital > no JW will go to visit him. > If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and > humiliating trial that may last a year or more before > be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
> So if someone tries to justify the shunning > shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in > other associations real or virtual, the pratice of disfellowshipping is the > same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these > situations.>
I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone. When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. Unless that person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much less have a great intimacy with that one?
>On Dec 6, 5:52=A0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote: >> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:50f8= >5aad-358f-4fb4-8f42-4a214e668...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... >> On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
>> > Why was it shameful? =A0Did it specify how clubs and organizations that >> > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then >> > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
>> Sorry, but i don't speak english. >> I translated my answer with the help of google.
>> The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from >> simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum. >> The disfellowshipped =A0from WTS are ostracized in their private life and >> family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o >> group "regular", where the constraints simply cease >> association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is >> instead completely changed. >> No member of the organization can continue to maintain >> any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential >> with the disfellowshipped. >> If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is >> you also disfellowshipped. >> There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon >> the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life, >> punishing he in the most intimate affections, in the bonds with relatives= >, >> friends. >> Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW, >> the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -; >> in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -; >> in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relations >> social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital >> no JW will go to visit him. >> If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and >> humiliating trial that may last a year or more before >> be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
>> So if someone tries to justify the shunning >> shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in >> other associations real or virtual, the pratice of disfellowshipping is t= >he >> same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these >> situations.>
>I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone. >When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model >their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian >view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. Unless that >person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much >less have a great intimacy with that one?
Jesus must be pretty fucking impotent if he has to resort to soliciting slimeballs like you do his dirty work for him.
> In article <941582df-ca5b-474b-87f0-4a9053474...@g26g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, > curtjester1 says...
> >On Dec 6, 5:52=A0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote: > >> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:50f8= > >5aad-358f-4fb4-8f42-4a214e668...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... > >> On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
> >> > Why was it shameful? =A0Did it specify how clubs and organizations that > >> > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and then > >> > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
> >> Sorry, but i don't speak english. > >> I translated my answer with the help of google.
> >> The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from > >> simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum. > >> The disfellowshipped =A0from WTS are ostracized in their private life and > >> family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o > >> group "regular", where the constraints simply cease > >> association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is > >> instead completely changed. > >> No member of the organization can continue to maintain > >> any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential > >> with the disfellowshipped. > >> If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is > >> you also disfellowshipped. > >> There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon > >> the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life, > >> punishing he in the most intimate affections, in the bonds with relatives= > >, > >> friends. > >> Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW, > >> the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -; > >> in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -; > >> in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relations > >> social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital > >> no JW will go to visit him. > >> If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and > >> humiliating trial that may last a year or more before > >> be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
> >> So if someone tries to justify the shunning > >> shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in > >> other associations real or virtual, the pratice of disfellowshipping is t= > >he > >> same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these > >> situations.>
> >> >> You can see this information on sitehttp://www.infotdgeova.it > >> > Got the English version?
> >> No, only in Italian version.
> >> Achille Lorenzi
> >I hope people don't expect harmony within a religion.
> >I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone. > >When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model > >their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian > >view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. Unless that > >person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much > >less have a great intimacy with that one?
> Jesus must be pretty fucking impotent if he has to resort to soliciting > slimeballs like you do his dirty work for him.- Hide quoted text -
Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[a]
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
>On Dec 10, 10:04=A0pm, Annointed Remnant <Annointed_mem...@newsguy.com> >wrote: >> In article <941582df-ca5b-474b-87f0-4a9053474...@g26g2000vbi.googlegroups= >.com>, >> curtjester1 says...
>> >On Dec 6, 5:52=3DA0am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote: >> >> "curtjester1" <curtjest...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:5= >0f8=3D >> >5aad-358f-4fb4-8f42-4a214e668...@d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com... >> >> On Dec 4, 2:48 am, "Achille" <nom...@tin.it> wrote:
>> >> > Why was it shameful? =3DA0Did it specify how clubs and organizations= > that >> >> > usually have parameters of rules for their potential members and the= >n >> >> > compare it to a specific organization like that of the JW's?
>> >> Sorry, but i don't speak english. >> >> I translated my answer with the help of google.
>> >> The ostracism of Jehovah's Witnesses is something very different from >> >> simply expelled (or banned) from any group, community or forum. >> >> The disfellowshipped =3DA0from WTS are ostracized in their private lif= >e and >> >> family. It is certainly not like when someone is ousted in a club o >> >> group "regular", where the constraints simply cease >> >> association's, entire personal and social life of disfellowshipped is >> >> instead completely changed. >> >> No member of the organization can continue to maintain >> >> any kind of social relationship is not absolutely essential >> >> with the disfellowshipped. >> >> If he does, perhaps manifesting its support and solidarity, is >> >> you also disfellowshipped. >> >> There is therefore a kind of "persecution", which will never abandon >> >> the former member. The rules of the WTS disrupt her entire life, >> >> punishing he in the most intimate affections, in the bonds with relati= >ves=3D >> >, >> >> friends. >> >> Will be penalized at work - if it were employed by a JW, >> >> the disfellowshipped "unrepentant" will be fired as soon as possible -= >; >> >> in the house - would be evicted if the landlord was a JW -; >> >> in the most natural and human contacts that should characterize relati= >ons >> >> social - for example, if an "apostate" is recovering in a hospital >> >> no JW will go to visit him. >> >> If you would then be readmitted, must undergo a long and >> >> humiliating trial that may last a year or more before >> >> be reassociated (always the "elders" want it).
>> >> So if someone tries to justify the shunning >> >> shows that the WTS to the expelled members, saying that even in >> >> other associations real or virtual, the pratice of disfellowshipping i= >s t=3D >> >he >> >> same, he not understand unbridgeable abyss that exists between these >> >> situations.>
>> >> >> You can see this information on sitehttp://www.infotdgeova.it >> >> > Got the English version?
>> >> No, only in Italian version.
>> >> Achille Lorenzi
>> >I hope people don't expect harmony within a religion.
>> >I would expect division from differing beliefs and aspirations alone. >> >When belief is adopted, which means baptism and a promise to model >> >their life after the Christ, and then trampled on, in the Christian >> >view it, becomes more like spitting in our Lord's face. =A0Unless that >> >person turn around, why would one want to hold out compassion much >> >less have a great intimacy with that one?
>> Jesus must be pretty fucking impotent if he has to resort >> to soliciting slimeballs like you do his dirty work for him.
>Christ Crucified Is Gods Power and Wisdom
So your god dying on a tree proves his power? And wisdom?
>Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
No, actually, he hasn't. Knowledge has made god look foolish. Jesus as god is one of the biggest hoaxes of all time.
Grow up, CJ. Jesus hasn't done anything for you or anyone else. You're a sick, old, lonely, divorced man who has to peddle his bicycle through the New York cold weather to get to a public library and use one of their computers.
Did the chocolate factory lay you off yet? Are you living on unemployment payments? If you get out of that cult, you can make something of yourself.
