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May 19, 2012, 10:26:50 AM5/19/12
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The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by, The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD"!
Simply, The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL, was, is,
and always will be SPIRIT!
And it was as Paul testified, "GOD(SPIRIT) was in The Messiah"!
Not that GOD(SPIRIT) took on sinful "human" flesh, but that HE, WHO IS
SPIRIT, entered into The Messiah, who was "born in the likeness of
sinful flesh".......
If The Messiah was god, there would have been no need for The SPIRIT
that is GOD to enter into Him.......
The Messiah, "The Son of The Living GOD"!
Son of GOD and Son of man indeed and Truth, and The Messiah was "the
firstborn of many brethren"!
And after The SPIRIT that is GOD had entered into Him, The Messiah
testified:
John 5:30
"I can of do nothing of My own self....... As I hear, I judge, and my
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but The Will of
The Father WHO has sent Me." *It should be so with the brethren of
The Messiah as well*
John 8:28-29
"Then said The Messiah unto them, "When you have lifted up The Son of
man, then shall you know that I am He, and that I do nothing of My own
self, but as My Father has taught Me, I speak those things. And HE
that sent Me is in Me. The Father has not left me alone, for I do
always those things that please HIM.""
John 12:49-50
"I have not spoken of Myself, but the Father WHO sent Me, HE gave Me a
commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know
that HIS commandment is Life Everlasting! Whatever I speak therefore,
even as The Father said unto Me, so I speak."
John 14:10
"Don't you believe that I am in The Father, and the Father in me? The
words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself, but The Father WHO
dwells in Me, HE does The Works."
John 14:23-24
"The Messiah answered and said unto him, "If a man loves Me, he will
keep My words: and My Father will love him, and WE will come unto him,
and make our abode with him. He that does not love Me does not keep my
sayings, and The Word which you hear is not Mine, but The Father's WHO
sent Me.""
John 17:8
The Messiah testified, For I have given unto them The Words which
YOU(GOD) gave Me; and they have received them, and have known surely
that I came out from YOU, and they have believed that YOU sent me."
John 17:14
The Messiah testified, "I have given them YOUR Word, and the world has
hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the
world."
John 17:3
"And this is Life Eternal, that they might know YOU, The Only True
GOD, and The Messiah Whom YOU have sent"!
And Isaiah prophesied of the coming Messiah!
"A Servant of, and sent by YHVH".......
Isaiah 42:1-5 "Behold MY(YHVH) Servant(The Messiah), Whom I uphold,
MY elect in Whom MY soul delights! I have put MY Spirit upon Him and
He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
He(The Messiah) shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause His voice to be
heard in the street.
A bruised reed shall He not break, and the smoking flax shall He not
quench.
He shall bring forth judgment unto Truth.
He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He have set judgment in the
earth, and the isles shall wait for His law.
Thus says YHVH(GOD the LORD), HE that created the Heavens, and
stretched them out!
HE(YHVH) that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it!
HE that gives breath unto the people upon it, and Spirit to them that
walk therein!"
Isaiah 43:10-11 "You are MY witnesses, says YHVH(the LORD), and MY
Servant Whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe ME, and
understand that I AM HE!" *The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator)
of ALL*
Before ME(YHVH) there was no god formed, neither shall there be after
ME! *The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL*
2 Corinthians 5:19 "GOD(HE WHO IS SPIRIT) was in The Messiah" indeed
and Truth!
Isaiah 53:1-12 "Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm
of YHVH(the LORD) revealed?
For He(The Messiah) shall grow up before HIM(YHVH) as a tender plant,
and as a root out of a dry ground.
He has no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see Him, there is no
beauty that we should desire Him.
He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted
with grief, and we hid as it were our faces from Him.
He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.
Surely He has borne our grief's, and carried our sorrows, yet we did
esteem Him stricken, smitten of GOD(YHVH), and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our
iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His
stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep had gone astray, we had turned every one to his own
way, and YHVH(the LORD) has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth.
He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her
shearers is dumb, so He opens not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who shall declare His
generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living, for the
transgression of MY(YHVH) people was He stricken.
And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death,
because He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.
Yet it pleased YHVH(the LORD) to bruise Him.
HE(YHVH) has put Him(The Messiah) to grief, when HE(YHVH) will make
His soul an offering for sin.
HE(YHVH) shall see His seed, HE shall prolong His days, and the
pleasure of YHVH(the LORD) shall prosper in His hand.
HE(YHVH) shall see the travail of His(The Messiah) soul, and shall be
satisfied.
By His(The Messiah) knowledge SHALL MY(YHVH) RIGHTEOUS SERVANT justify
many, for He shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I(YHVH) divide Him(The Messiah) a portion with the
great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He has
poured out His soul unto death.
And He(The Messiah) was numbered with the transgressors, and He bare
the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Father Help! HE DID! and HE does.......
The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by, The Only True GOD"!
All Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father!
Father Help! and HE does.......
www.asimpleandspirituallife.org
http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Simple-and-Spiritual-Life/208339295850609
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(rat-race) that is of this wicked, evil
world and it's systems of religion....... francis
Simply, The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL, was, is,
and always will be SPIRIT!
And it was as Paul testified, "GOD(SPIRIT) was in The Messiah"!
Not that GOD(SPIRIT) took on sinful "human" flesh, but that HE, WHO IS
SPIRIT, entered into The Messiah, who was "born in the likeness of
sinful flesh".......
If The Messiah was god, there would have been no need for The SPIRIT
that is GOD to enter into Him.......
The Messiah, "The Son of The Living GOD"!
Son of GOD and Son of man indeed and Truth, and The Messiah was "the
firstborn of many brethren"!
And after The SPIRIT that is GOD had entered into Him, The Messiah
testified:
John 5:30
"I can of do nothing of My own self....... As I hear, I judge, and my
judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but The Will of
The Father WHO has sent Me." *It should be so with the brethren of
The Messiah as well*
John 8:28-29
"Then said The Messiah unto them, "When you have lifted up The Son of
man, then shall you know that I am He, and that I do nothing of My own
self, but as My Father has taught Me, I speak those things. And HE
that sent Me is in Me. The Father has not left me alone, for I do
always those things that please HIM.""
John 12:49-50
"I have not spoken of Myself, but the Father WHO sent Me, HE gave Me a
commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know
that HIS commandment is Life Everlasting! Whatever I speak therefore,
even as The Father said unto Me, so I speak."
John 14:10
"Don't you believe that I am in The Father, and the Father in me? The
words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself, but The Father WHO
dwells in Me, HE does The Works."
John 14:23-24
"The Messiah answered and said unto him, "If a man loves Me, he will
keep My words: and My Father will love him, and WE will come unto him,
and make our abode with him. He that does not love Me does not keep my
sayings, and The Word which you hear is not Mine, but The Father's WHO
sent Me.""
John 17:8
The Messiah testified, For I have given unto them The Words which
YOU(GOD) gave Me; and they have received them, and have known surely
that I came out from YOU, and they have believed that YOU sent me."
John 17:14
The Messiah testified, "I have given them YOUR Word, and the world has
hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the
world."
John 17:3
"And this is Life Eternal, that they might know YOU, The Only True
GOD, and The Messiah Whom YOU have sent"!
And Isaiah prophesied of the coming Messiah!
"A Servant of, and sent by YHVH".......
Isaiah 42:1-5 "Behold MY(YHVH) Servant(The Messiah), Whom I uphold,
MY elect in Whom MY soul delights! I have put MY Spirit upon Him and
He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
He(The Messiah) shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause His voice to be
heard in the street.
A bruised reed shall He not break, and the smoking flax shall He not
quench.
He shall bring forth judgment unto Truth.
He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He have set judgment in the
earth, and the isles shall wait for His law.
Thus says YHVH(GOD the LORD), HE that created the Heavens, and
stretched them out!
HE(YHVH) that spread forth the earth, and that which comes out of it!
HE that gives breath unto the people upon it, and Spirit to them that
walk therein!"
Isaiah 43:10-11 "You are MY witnesses, says YHVH(the LORD), and MY
Servant Whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe ME, and
understand that I AM HE!" *The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator)
of ALL*
Before ME(YHVH) there was no god formed, neither shall there be after
ME! *The ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL*
2 Corinthians 5:19 "GOD(HE WHO IS SPIRIT) was in The Messiah" indeed
and Truth!
Isaiah 53:1-12 "Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm
of YHVH(the LORD) revealed?
For He(The Messiah) shall grow up before HIM(YHVH) as a tender plant,
and as a root out of a dry ground.
He has no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see Him, there is no
beauty that we should desire Him.
He is despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows, and acquainted
with grief, and we hid as it were our faces from Him.
He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.
Surely He has borne our grief's, and carried our sorrows, yet we did
esteem Him stricken, smitten of GOD(YHVH), and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our
iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His
stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep had gone astray, we had turned every one to his own
way, and YHVH(the LORD) has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and He was afflicted, yet He opened not his mouth.
He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her
shearers is dumb, so He opens not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who shall declare His
generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living, for the
transgression of MY(YHVH) people was He stricken.
And He made His grave with the wicked, and with the rich in His death,
because He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.
Yet it pleased YHVH(the LORD) to bruise Him.
HE(YHVH) has put Him(The Messiah) to grief, when HE(YHVH) will make
His soul an offering for sin.
HE(YHVH) shall see His seed, HE shall prolong His days, and the
pleasure of YHVH(the LORD) shall prosper in His hand.
HE(YHVH) shall see the travail of His(The Messiah) soul, and shall be
satisfied.
By His(The Messiah) knowledge SHALL MY(YHVH) RIGHTEOUS SERVANT justify
many, for He shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I(YHVH) divide Him(The Messiah) a portion with the
great, and He shall divide the spoil with the strong, because He has
poured out His soul unto death.
And He(The Messiah) was numbered with the transgressors, and He bare
the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
Father Help! HE DID! and HE does.......
The Messiah, "A Servant of, and sent by, The Only True GOD"!
All Thanks and Praise Be Unto Our Father!
Father Help! and HE does.......
www.asimpleandspirituallife.org
http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Simple-and-Spiritual-Life/208339295850609
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(rat-race) that is of this wicked, evil
world and it's systems of religion....... francis
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
May 20, 2012, 12:23:53 AM5/20/12
to
Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
� R. L. Measures.
May 20, 2012, 3:42:58 AM5/20/12
to
In article
<dac8d76c-fe46-4c3d...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
� Curiously the Disciple John failed to report any wine to blood, bread
to flesh "miracle" at the Last Supper - but Christians have no problem
ignoring that problem.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
<dac8d76c-fe46-4c3d...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
to flesh "miracle" at the Last Supper - but Christians have no problem
ignoring that problem.
--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
arah
May 20, 2012, 10:25:19 AM5/20/12
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If Jesus was GOD:
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel:
The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus
had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say
"Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of
GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God
and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of
myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD)
is greater than I"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD),
into thy hands I commend my spirit"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me
good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to
have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another
words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see:
Jesus's crucifixion in Islam
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was
asked about the truth?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers
that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come,
only GOD knows?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of
fearing GOD in Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that
if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that
he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had
assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that
they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and
prayed to his GOD?
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0024.htm
On May 20, 10:42 am, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article
> <dac8d76c-fe46-4c3d-8f87-f40e13c86...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel:
The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus
had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say
"Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of
GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God
and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 8:28 Jesus said "I do nothing of
myself"? Can't GOD do anything he wills?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 Jesus said "My Father (GOD)
is greater than I"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD),
into thy hands I commend my spirit"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 19:16 Jesus said "Why call me
good, there is none good but One, that is GOD"?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus begged his GOD to
have mercy on him and to pass the cup to death (kill Jesus in another
words) before Jesus goes through the pain of crucifixion? Also see:
Jesus's crucifixion in Islam
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 18:38 he didn't reply when he was
asked about the truth?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers
that no one (including Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come,
only GOD knows?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Isiah 11:2-3 GOD had put the spirit of
fearing GOD in Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:31 Jesus told his followers that
if he (Jesus) bears witness of himself, then his record is not true?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that
he can't do a single thing of his own initiative?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:36-38 Jesus said that GOD had
assigned him (Jesus) work and GOD is a witness on Jesus?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that
they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?
If Jesus was GOD, then why did he pray to his GOD in Luke 5:16?
If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and
prayed to his GOD?
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0024.htm
On May 20, 10:42 am, r...@somis.org ( R. L. Measures.) wrote:
> In article
> <dac8d76c-fe46-4c3d-8f87-f40e13c86...@d17g2000vbv.googlegroups.com>,
uragoner
May 20, 2012, 2:09:37 PM5/20/12
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Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Allah ( the god of this world, the Devil ) in the New Testament :
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Allah ( the god of this world, the Devil ) in the New Testament :
Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
May 20, 2012, 4:54:03 PM5/20/12
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On May 20, 9:25 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
" If Jesus was GOD:"
Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Meditate on:
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ.
http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html
Also, hypostatic union:
http://carm.org/trinity-hypostatic-union-and-communicatio-idiomatum
The Hypostatic Union is the teaching that the Word of God became
flesh and we call Him Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is God in human flesh.
He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man.
That is, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. As the
Scripture says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God... 14 and the Word became flesh, and dwelt
among us..." (John 1:1,14). This means that the divine word became
flesh in the single person of Jesus, who is thus both human and divine
in nature. The divine nature was not changed. It was not altered in
this union. Rather, the divine holy nature of the Word remains as it
is.
Furthermore, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him" nor is
he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is the second person
of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact
representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful
word," (Heb. 1:3, NIV). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together,"
nor are they combined into a new God-man nature. They are separate
yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the
Hypostatic Union.
Also, in the incarnation, Jesus was made for a while lower than the
angels (Heb. 2:9) and under the law (Gal. 4:4). This means that Jesus
cooperated with the limitations of being a man (Phil. 2:5-8). In
other words, He really was a man and as a man exhibited the proper
restrictions of His humanity such as growing taller, eating, growing
in wisdom, etc., which would be expected of a real human being.
" If Jesus was GOD:"
Ex 3:14 - And God said unto Moses,
I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,
I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ.
http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html
Also, hypostatic union:
http://carm.org/trinity-hypostatic-union-and-communicatio-idiomatum
The Hypostatic Union is the teaching that the Word of God became
flesh and we call Him Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is God in human flesh.
He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man.
That is, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. As the
Scripture says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God... 14 and the Word became flesh, and dwelt
among us..." (John 1:1,14). This means that the divine word became
flesh in the single person of Jesus, who is thus both human and divine
in nature. The divine nature was not changed. It was not altered in
this union. Rather, the divine holy nature of the Word remains as it
is.
Furthermore, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him" nor is
he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is the second person
of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact
representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful
word," (Heb. 1:3, NIV). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together,"
nor are they combined into a new God-man nature. They are separate
yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the
Hypostatic Union.
Also, in the incarnation, Jesus was made for a while lower than the
angels (Heb. 2:9) and under the law (Gal. 4:4). This means that Jesus
cooperated with the limitations of being a man (Phil. 2:5-8). In
other words, He really was a man and as a man exhibited the proper
restrictions of His humanity such as growing taller, eating, growing
in wisdom, etc., which would be expected of a real human being.
cybrwurm
Jun 11, 2012, 5:40:01 PM6/11/12
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a truly outstanding response to jw's outrageous propaganda. well done, arah.
you are surely beloved by the Lord. Two BIG thumbs up, man! :D
you are surely beloved by the Lord. Two BIG thumbs up, man! :D
cybrwurm
Jun 11, 2012, 5:42:18 PM6/11/12
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serious and sensible students of the NT need not stop investigating the NT
in order to get lost the maze of jw's ominous links. just ignore him. he
knows not whereof he speaks.
in order to get lost the maze of jw's ominous links. just ignore him. he
knows not whereof he speaks.
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Jun 11, 2012, 10:31:39 PM6/11/12
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Lu 16:31 -And he said unto him,
If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded,
though one rose from the dead.
Who Moved The Stone? [Paperback]
Frank Morison (Author)
For Seekers & Skeptics, July 27, 1999
By StLuke...@aol.com (Dublin, Oh) - This review is from: Who Moved
the
Stone? (Paperback)
I've read many books on the historical reliability (and
unreliability)
of the New Testament; I've seen many educated opinions varying in
every way; I done studies many resurrections-centered topics; but
I've
never seen a book quite like this! Morrison takes nothing for
granted.
He trusts his instincts, and, though coming shy of any kind of
Biblical-Christian opinion, he beautifully defends the resurrection
in
this short examination. As a doubter I find it difficult to swallow
what many Christians take for granted in their own faith. This book
is
not like most. However, as a believer I was thrown by Morrison into
the last week of Jesus' life (and the following weeks) as I never
have
by any lecture or writing. Morrison brings to light many historical
details missed my so many people (including myself). He is easy to
read and difficult to put down.
To the skeptics: I was once a skeptic. It was not a brief reading of
one or two apologetic works that convinced me; instead, it was months
and months of hard research, with this book as one of the many
highlights. I encourage all to read this.
Morrison's book will forever remain one of my personal favorites.
Luke Gilkerson
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Moved-Stone-Frank-Morison/dp/1850786747
The Case for the Resurrection:
A First-Century Investigative Reporter
Probes History's Pivotal Event [Paperback]
Lee Strobel (Author)
A Mighty Case for the Risen Christ, August 10, 2010
By Mike Robinson "Mike A Robinson: Apologetic An... (USA) -(TOP 1000
REVIEWER) (REAL NAME) This review is from: The Case for the
Resurrection: A First-Century Investigative Reporter Probes History's
Pivotal Event (Paperback)
Lee Strobel's "The Case for the Resurrection: A First-Century
Investigative Reporter Probes History's Pivotal Event," is a power-
packed booklet (almost 100 pages) that offers compelling evidence for
the resurrection of Jesus Christ. "The Case for the Resurrection" is
helpful and readable and makes a great evidential introduction for
this essential truth of Christianity.
This New book features:
Fresh insights from Lee Strobel's new "The Case for Christ Study
Bible," as the author covers the story of Christ rising from the
grave
from the Gospel of Luke with outstanding notes from "The Case for
Christ Study Bible." The proof is potent, the writing is engaging,
and
the author has a true passion for the subject.
Remember that the Apostles saw the risen Christ, touched the risen
Christ, and died tortuous deaths proclaiming its truth when all thy
had to do was deny it; yes many people die for lies, but no
collective, diverse group of people die for what they Know is a
complete lie.
Furthermore all known ancient documents that refer to the subject
report an empty tomb. Even though the manner in which one accepts or
rejects the evidence on the historicity of the ancient documents and
other papyrus is controlled by one's presuppositions, the facts are
mighty; the evidence is there, and is impressive, but there is an
important distinction between proof and persuasion.
Note the evidence for the resurrection of Christ is:
- 100's of eyewitnesses testified under the threat of death that they
saw the risen Jesus including 500 people at one time. All the
apostles, except one, died a horrible death knowing they saw Jesus
alive from the dead. 100's more died because they would not recant
the
fact that they saw the risen Jesus. Not one Apostle recanted to save
himself from a torturous death.
- Only Christianity offers over three hundred predictions written
down
before Christ came and fulfilled exactly, most of which could not
have
been self-fulfilled.
Only Christ offers a confirmed resurrection of a Savior to
demonstrate
His authority. (Greek & other pseudo-resurrection gods were not
historical figures, the only documents we have concerning the false
gods/myths are documents dated 100's of years after Christianity.
- The resurrection was proclaimed in Jerusalem where the trial,
crucifixion. and resurrection took place. If Jesus had not risen from
the dead, his enemies only had to produce this body and this new
religion that they hated would be terminated before it started.
- The conversion of Jesus' opponents to Christianity, including many
Jewish Priests and Pharisees can best be explained by the
resurrection
of Christ. The risen Jesus converted many of those who executed Him
because of the overwhelming evidence of His resurrection and His many
appearances through God's grace (Acts 6:7 & Acts 15:5).
- Jesus' tomb was secured and guarded by well trained Jewish and
Roman
guards. The tomb had a Roman seal on it to prevent tampering with the
threat of execution for breaking the seal, yet the tomb was empty.
Every ancient historical source that discusses the subject verifies
the tomb was empty.
- Ancient hostile sources and extra-Biblical writers record the same
facts of Christ's death and empty tomb. Additionally, the continuous
defense of the resurrection in front of Roman government officials
from Paul to Tertullian was unchallenged by Rome and all ancient
historians.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310949890/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_...
If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded,
though one rose from the dead.
Who Moved The Stone? [Paperback]
Frank Morison (Author)
For Seekers & Skeptics, July 27, 1999
By StLuke...@aol.com (Dublin, Oh) - This review is from: Who Moved
the
Stone? (Paperback)
I've read many books on the historical reliability (and
unreliability)
of the New Testament; I've seen many educated opinions varying in
every way; I done studies many resurrections-centered topics; but
I've
never seen a book quite like this! Morrison takes nothing for
granted.
He trusts his instincts, and, though coming shy of any kind of
Biblical-Christian opinion, he beautifully defends the resurrection
in
this short examination. As a doubter I find it difficult to swallow
what many Christians take for granted in their own faith. This book
is
not like most. However, as a believer I was thrown by Morrison into
the last week of Jesus' life (and the following weeks) as I never
have
by any lecture or writing. Morrison brings to light many historical
details missed my so many people (including myself). He is easy to
read and difficult to put down.
To the skeptics: I was once a skeptic. It was not a brief reading of
one or two apologetic works that convinced me; instead, it was months
and months of hard research, with this book as one of the many
highlights. I encourage all to read this.
Morrison's book will forever remain one of my personal favorites.
Luke Gilkerson
http://www.amazon.com/Who-Moved-Stone-Frank-Morison/dp/1850786747
The Case for the Resurrection:
A First-Century Investigative Reporter
Probes History's Pivotal Event [Paperback]
Lee Strobel (Author)
A Mighty Case for the Risen Christ, August 10, 2010
By Mike Robinson "Mike A Robinson: Apologetic An... (USA) -(TOP 1000
REVIEWER) (REAL NAME) This review is from: The Case for the
Resurrection: A First-Century Investigative Reporter Probes History's
Pivotal Event (Paperback)
Lee Strobel's "The Case for the Resurrection: A First-Century
Investigative Reporter Probes History's Pivotal Event," is a power-
packed booklet (almost 100 pages) that offers compelling evidence for
the resurrection of Jesus Christ. "The Case for the Resurrection" is
helpful and readable and makes a great evidential introduction for
this essential truth of Christianity.
This New book features:
Fresh insights from Lee Strobel's new "The Case for Christ Study
Bible," as the author covers the story of Christ rising from the
grave
from the Gospel of Luke with outstanding notes from "The Case for
Christ Study Bible." The proof is potent, the writing is engaging,
and
the author has a true passion for the subject.
Remember that the Apostles saw the risen Christ, touched the risen
Christ, and died tortuous deaths proclaiming its truth when all thy
had to do was deny it; yes many people die for lies, but no
collective, diverse group of people die for what they Know is a
complete lie.
Furthermore all known ancient documents that refer to the subject
report an empty tomb. Even though the manner in which one accepts or
rejects the evidence on the historicity of the ancient documents and
other papyrus is controlled by one's presuppositions, the facts are
mighty; the evidence is there, and is impressive, but there is an
important distinction between proof and persuasion.
Note the evidence for the resurrection of Christ is:
- 100's of eyewitnesses testified under the threat of death that they
saw the risen Jesus including 500 people at one time. All the
apostles, except one, died a horrible death knowing they saw Jesus
alive from the dead. 100's more died because they would not recant
the
fact that they saw the risen Jesus. Not one Apostle recanted to save
himself from a torturous death.
- Only Christianity offers over three hundred predictions written
down
before Christ came and fulfilled exactly, most of which could not
have
been self-fulfilled.
Only Christ offers a confirmed resurrection of a Savior to
demonstrate
His authority. (Greek & other pseudo-resurrection gods were not
historical figures, the only documents we have concerning the false
gods/myths are documents dated 100's of years after Christianity.
- The resurrection was proclaimed in Jerusalem where the trial,
crucifixion. and resurrection took place. If Jesus had not risen from
the dead, his enemies only had to produce this body and this new
religion that they hated would be terminated before it started.
- The conversion of Jesus' opponents to Christianity, including many
Jewish Priests and Pharisees can best be explained by the
resurrection
of Christ. The risen Jesus converted many of those who executed Him
because of the overwhelming evidence of His resurrection and His many
appearances through God's grace (Acts 6:7 & Acts 15:5).
- Jesus' tomb was secured and guarded by well trained Jewish and
Roman
guards. The tomb had a Roman seal on it to prevent tampering with the
threat of execution for breaking the seal, yet the tomb was empty.
Every ancient historical source that discusses the subject verifies
the tomb was empty.
- Ancient hostile sources and extra-Biblical writers record the same
facts of Christ's death and empty tomb. Additionally, the continuous
defense of the resurrection in front of Roman government officials
from Paul to Tertullian was unchallenged by Rome and all ancient
historians.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310949890/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_...
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