Schizophrenia & Christian Theology: Rebirth, Kundalini and the Crucifixion of Jesus
28SW2 (Michael Cecil)
Probably hundreds of thousands of Christians will visit
Israel this year to see the "place of the skull" where
Jesus was crucified.
Will they be told by their Christian tour guides that
the "place of the skull" is a symbolic manifestation
of the Vision of the "Son of man"?
Will they be told that the "place of the skull" is also
of particular significance to a vision described in the
Eastern esoteric tradition known as kundalini yoga?
Will they be told that, according to this tradition,
there are three currents comprising this vision, as
symbolized by the three crosses on Calvary?
Will they be told that a similar vision is also what is
signified by the caduceus--the symbol of the medical
profession?
OF COURSE NOT.
The reason being that all of this information is beyond
the interpretive power of the Christian paradigm; in which
case it must be ignored or rejected as either meaningless,
trivial, irrelevant--or, even, as having its origin in
some 'New Age' teaching or the 'demonic'.
You see, the Christian theologians are only HALF serious
when they INSIST that the Teaching of Jesus is a 'univer-
sal' Teaching. For, the moment someone attempts to artic-
ulate the specific DETAILS of that 'universal' Teaching,
the Christian theologians dig in their heel and attack
that person as a 'gnostic', a 'heretic', or even a 'lun-
atic'. (Of course, this is what they are PAID to do.
What do you expect?)
And, while this is very obvious with regards to the sym-
bolism of the crucifixion of Jesus, it also pertains to
the monotheistic equivalent to the Buddhist Doctrine of
Rebirth--that is, the Doctrine of the "resurrection of
the dead".
Do the Christian theologians genuinely *believe* that
Buddhists and Hindus can be convinced of the truth of
such a bizarre superstition--that dead bodies will
actually come out of their graves--when their tradition
so strongly affirms that people live more than one life,
and that some people even remember their previous lives?
Just how long do the Christian theologians suppose that
they can continue to convince such people that they have
not MISinterpreted this Teaching of Jesus?
Or, for that matter, how long do they think they will
be able to convince CHRISTIANS that they are not taking
the most NARROW view possible of the Message of Jesus?
Just so long, I suppose, as the media continues to play
the whore by suppressing the Truth.
Michael Cecil (
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Rev. Illuminatus Maximus
<mijt...@cyberlink.com> wrote:
> Probably hundreds of thousands of Christians will visit
> Israel this year to see the "place of the skull" where
> Jesus was crucified.
>
> Will they be told by their Christian tour guides that
> the "place of the skull" is a symbolic manifestation
> of the Vision of the "Son of man"?
>
> Will they be told that the "place of the skull" is also
> of particular significance to a vision described in the
> Eastern esoteric tradition known as kundalini yoga?
>
> Will they be told that, according to this tradition,
> there are three currents comprising this vision, as
> symbolized by the three crosses on Calvary?
>
> Will they be told that a similar vision is also what is
> signified by the caduceus--the symbol of the medical
> profession?
>
You would probably be upset that the author doesn't hew to your own
peculiar metaphysical vocuabulary, but "The Body of Myth: Mythology,
Shamanic Trance and the Sacred Geography of the Body" by J. Nigro
Sansonese addresses these very identifications, viz. cadaceus w.
kundalini, skull w. the seat of proprioception and the "burning up" of
accumulated karma in what he calls an "edocrinal catastrophe," etc.
The author makes a very convinving case that the mythological language in
the OT, NT, and Greek Myth at one was understood metaphorically as
descriptions of archaic techniques of trance induction. WHen the esoteric
meaning was lost as society moved away from experiental spirituality and
towards group dogma, the stories lost their inner meaning and were
understood as teaching stories about morality - i.e., religion. Sansonese
is a longtime practitioner of bhakti yoga, so he may know whereof he
speaks.
Regards,
Rev. Illuminatus Maximus
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28SW2 (Michael Cecil)
Rev. Illuminatus Maximus wrote:
> You would probably be upset that the author doesn't hew to your own
> peculiar metaphysical vocuabulary, but "The Body of Myth: Mythology,
> Shamanic Trance and the Sacred Geography of the Body" by J. Nigro
> Sansonese addresses these very identifications, viz. cadaceus w.
> kundalini, skull w. the seat of proprioception and the "burning up" of
> accumulated karma in what he calls an "edocrinal catastrophe,"
A VERY apt description. (if you mean 'endocrine').
Why would I be upset?
> etc.
>
> The author makes a very convinving case that the mythological language in
> the OT, NT, and Greek Myth at one was understood metaphorically as
> descriptions of archaic techniques of trance induction.
Not accurate for the Revelations.
> WHen the esoteric
> meaning was lost as society moved away from experiental spirituality and
> towards group dogma, the stories lost their inner meaning and were
> understood as teaching stories about morality - i.e., religion. Sansonese
> is a longtime practitioner of bhakti yoga, so he may know whereof he
> speaks.
Sounds good to me.
Michael Cecil (
Rev. Illuminatus Maximus
<mijt...@cyberlink.com> wrote:
> Rev. Illuminatus Maximus wrote:
>
> > You would probably be upset that the author doesn't hew to your own
> > peculiar metaphysical vocuabulary, but "The Body of Myth: Mythology,
> > Shamanic Trance and the Sacred Geography of the Body" by J. Nigro
> > Sansonese addresses these very identifications, viz. cadaceus w.
> > kundalini, skull w. the seat of proprioception and the "burning up" of
> > accumulated karma in what he calls an "edocrinal catastrophe,"
>
> A VERY apt description. (if you mean 'endocrine').
> Why would I be upset?
He he... yeah I did mean endocrine...
>
> > etc.
> >
> > The author makes a very convinving case that the mythological language in
> > the OT, NT, and Greek Myth at one was understood metaphorically as
> > descriptions of archaic techniques of trance induction.
>
> Not accurate for the Revelations.
I can't remember what he said for that, lemme see... hmmm... doesn't say
anything about revelations.
>
> > WHen the esoteric
> > meaning was lost as society moved away from experiental spirituality and
> > towards group dogma, the stories lost their inner meaning and were
> > understood as teaching stories about morality - i.e., religion. Sansonese
> > is a longtime practitioner of bhakti yoga, so he may know whereof he
> > speaks.
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
It's a great book, you'd probably enjoy it.
Dolf Boek
sans...@my-deja.com
06010020...@enemy.vip.best.com>,
en...@enemies.com (Rev. Illuminatus Maximus )
wrote:
> In article <3873F2E6...@cyberlink.com>,
"28SW2 (Michael Cecil)"
> <mijt...@cyberlink.com> wrote:
>
> > Rev. Illuminatus Maximus wrote:
> >
> > > You would probably be upset that the author
doesn't hew to your own
> > > peculiar metaphysical vocuabulary, but "The
Body of Myth: Mythology,
> > > Shamanic Trance and the Sacred Geography of
the Body" by J. Nigro
> > > Sansonese addresses these very
identifications, viz. cadaceus w.
> > > kundalini, skull w. the seat of
proprioception and the "burning up" of
> > > accumulated karma in what he calls an
"edocrinal catastrophe,"
> Dear Sir, What I actually say is "pituitary
catastrophe," meaning a sudden gush of energy,
often felt as extreme pain if preparatory
purification of the yogi/meditator has not taken
place. The exact nature of this energy is
elusive of description, but it seemede to me to
be electrochemical, and it results in a neural
surge surge into the olfactory and gustatory
cortices. Depending on one's state of bodily
purification, it can taste like bitter salt,
vinegar (the Crucifixion description), and on to
something sweet (nectar in Greek myth). The image
I use is one of a switch snapping shut (as in a
relay); electrical energy7 surges from the
midbrain, via the pituitary-pineal connection
(there is a little understood thread between the
two), thence, and simultaneously, into the
trigeminal and vagus nerves. The jaws lock, the
tongue darts straight up, and through it (the
tongue) the current leads into the heart and
lungs, resulting in death. Yet this experience
can be survived (as we know from the case of
epileptics, who were considered holy in shamanic
times and even down into antiquity), but more
pertinently, in the case of yogis or, to use a
very general term, in the case of "adepts." The
entire complex of the face involving (a) the
shallow upward arc of the brows, (b) the nose,
(c) the mouth and teeth, and (d)the lips are
brought into vivid proprioceptive awareness. The
configuration can fairly be described as being in
the shape of a chalice or grail (just look in the
mirror). The adept is literally tasting and the
energy that is ever-present in his tongue and
teeth, and so we have so many myths that describe
this moment of Communion with the divine using
images drawn from eating and drinking. To sum it
up, there is a sudden, unexpected, often painful
downflow of energy and the experience of eating
something. This experience is at the h4eart of
all myth and ritual arising in shamanic times and
informs (esoterically) all the world religions.
Phenomena as diverse as the smashing of the
wedding cupo in Judaism to the rape of Ganymede
(the cupbearer) to the breaking of thre yogurt
jars by Krsna on the heads of the Gopis to the
pouring out of wine on the funeral pyre of Hector
(whom Achilles knocks down) even to the smashing
of the pinata out of ewhich tumble sweets in
Mesoamerican rites - - all these can be united
in this one experience.
> > A VERY apt description. (if you mean
'endocrine').
> > Why would I be upset?
> > > > The author makes a very convinving case
that the mythological language in
> > > the OT, NT, and Greek Myth at one was
understood metaphorically as
> > > descriptions of archaic techniques of
trance induction.
> >
> > Not accurate for the Revelations.
>
> I can't remember what he said for that, lemme
see... hmmm... doesn't say
> anything about revelations.
I only discuss Revelations in a footnote or two.
But I think the same principle outlined above
holds. The most important image in Revelations,
for me, is the image of the Seven Angels pouring
out the poisons from Seven Jars onto the earth
(the second world or space between the brows and
jaws), which destroy the wicked (sin) and
cleanmse the world. Still, there is a great deal
to the Apocalypse that I do not understand.>
> >
> > > WHen the esoteric
> > > meaning was lost as society moved away from
experiental spirituality and
> > > towards group dogma, the stories lost their
inner meaning and were
> > > understood as teaching stories about
morality - i.e., religion. Sansonese
> > > is a longtime practitioner of bhakti yoga,
so he may know whereof he
> > > speaks.
> Actually in the book I speak only of raja
yoga. It would take too long to go into their
relationship here. The thing to keep in mind
always is that I am speaking about
"descriptions," not metaphors or symbols. The
distinction is absolutely critical for
understanding my thesis.
> > Sounds good to me.
> >
>
> It's a great book, you'd probably enjoy it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rev. Illuminatus Maximus
>
> Supreme Chief, Gnostic Friends Network
> http://www.enemies.com/
> Ouroboros: the Gnostic Webring
>
http://members.tripod.com/~TempleOfGnosis/join.htm
l
Many, many heartfelt thanks you for the nice
things you have to say about my book.
Regards
J Nigro Sansonese
email: jkova...@aol.com > >
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28SW2 (Michael Cecil)
sans...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Dear Sir, What I actually say is "pituitary
> catastrophe," meaning a sudden gush of energy,
> often felt as extreme pain if preparatory
> purification of the yogi/meditator has not taken
> place
Even if, I suppose.
> The exact nature of this energy is
> elusive of description, but it seemede to me to
> be electrochemical, and it results in a neural
> surge surge into the olfactory and gustatory
> cortices.
Neuro-endocrine is my belief.
> Depending on one's state of bodily
> purification, it can taste like bitter salt,
Thirst; sometimes an iron taste as if blood.
> vinegar (the Crucifixion description), and on to
> something sweet (nectar in Greek myth). The image
> I use is one of a switch snapping shut (as in a
> relay); electrical energy7 surges from the
> midbrain, via the pituitary-pineal connection
> (there is a little understood thread between the
> two), thence, and simultaneously, into the
> trigeminal and vagus nerves.
My interest is in the vagus. Is this not parasympathetic?
> The jaws lock,
The opposite is my experience.
> the
> tongue darts straight up, and through it (the
> tongue) the current leads into the heart and
> lungs, resulting in death.
Do you have cause and effect misplaced?
> Yet this experience
> can be survived (as we know from the case of
> epileptics, who were considered holy in shamanic
> times and even down into antiquity), but more
> pertinently, in the case of yogis or, to use a
> very general term, in the case of "adepts."
> I only discuss Revelations in a footnote or two.
> But I think the same principle outlined above
> holds. The most important image in Revelations,
> for me, is the image of the Seven Angels pouring
> out the poisons from Seven Jars onto the earth
> (the second world or space between the brows and
> jaws),
This is specific to the neuro-ednocrine, yes.
The "altar" is, as I understand it, the pituitary gland
which empties the "fire" on the "earth".
> which destroy the wicked (sin) and
> cleanmse the world. Still, there is a great deal
> to the Apocalypse that I do not understand.>
OK. Questions?
> > Actually in the book I speak only of raja
> yoga. It would take too long to go into their
> relationship here. The thing to keep in mind
> always is that I am speaking about
> "descriptions," not metaphors or symbols.
Me too.
> The
> distinction is absolutely critical for
> understanding my thesis.
>
Mine too.
Michael Cecil (
J Nigro Sansonese
>
> > > Dear Sir, What I actually say is "pituitary
> > catastrophe," meaning a sudden gush of energy,
> > often felt as extreme pain if preparatory
> > purification of the yogi/meditator has not taken
>
> Even if, I suppose.
I'm told) passes blissfully away after inhaling something sweet or
perfumey, like a flower.
> > vinegar (the Crucifixion description), and on to
> > something sweet (nectar in Greek myth). The image
> > I use is one of a switch snapping shut (as in a
> > relay); electrical energy7 surges from the
> > midbrain, via the pituitary-pineal connection
> > (there is a little understood thread between the
> > two), thence, and simultaneously, into the
> > trigeminal and vagus nerves.
>
> My interest is in the vagus. Is this not parasympathetic?
> Is what "not parasympathetic"?
>
> > the tongue darts straight up, and through it (the
> > tongue) the current leads into the heart and
> > lungs, resulting in death.
>
> Do you have cause and effect misplaced?
Perhaps I should have said "possibly resulting" in death. But to
answer what I believe is your question, in my opinion death is always
finalized by a catastrophic event in the endocrine system. Absent this
rush of "neuro-endocrinal" energy, resuscitation is always possible.
>
>
> The "altar" is, as I understand it, the pituitary gland
> which empties the "fire" on the "earth".
There was a time when I believed that the details of myths could always
be correlated very precisely with the details of neuroanatomy -- for
example, I once wrote that the gasserian ganglion was the "altar to
Apollo" referred to in the Atgonautica -- but my opinion has changed
somewhat. As I now see it, the "altar" of many myths (I do not say
all) is the area between the brows at the base of the nose, which, in
the course of meditation, must necessarily involve what is behind that
significant junction, within the cranium, i.e., the hypophysis and the
gasseran ganglion; but given the immense antiquity of some of these
myths, I feel it is unwarranted to too closely tie together myth and
neuronantomy. One of the earliest altars in scripture is the spot
where Abraham attempts to sacrifice Isaac, and I think it highly
significant that, after Jehovah intervenes, Abraham sacrifces instead
"A ram caught in a thicket," which I interpret as referring to the agni
cakra (the spot twixt the brows) because the brows form the shape of a
ram's horns (just one of many mythic shapes they play a part in
describing, for example a bow, a cup, the arms of a balance, etc).
Thus the ancient mythopoets coiuld have meant this general midbrain
level without especially intending the pituitary to be the "altar."
>
> > which destroy the wicked (sin) and
> > cleanmse the world. Still, there is a great deal
> > to the Apocalypse that I do not understand.>
>
> OK. Questions?
Actually, what I mean is that I think I great deal of the Apocalypse is
not myth in the sense in which I understand the term, i.e., as an
esoteric reference to the body. Some of it clearly seems to be
polemical. Other parts may very well be hallucinatory. But I shall
reread it for passages that I suspect have proprioceptive significance
and pass them on to you for commenyt.>
JN Sansonese
28SW2 (Michael Cecil)
J Nigro Sansonese wrote:
> In article <389C2FBC...@cyberlink.com>,
> "28SW2 (Michael Cecil)" <mijt...@cyberlink.com> wrote:
>
> > My interest is in the vagus. Is this not parasympathetic?
> > Is what "not parasympathetic"?
Is the vagus not susceptible to both sympathetic *and* parasym-pathetic
stimulation? My general view is that because of the
general context in which these Visions and visions are exper-
ienced there is an overwhelming stress upon the sympathetic
rather than the parasympathetic; and this, I think, is crucial
to the differentiation between kundalini and the Vision of the
"Son of man".
> > > the tongue darts straight up, and through it (the
> > > tongue) the current leads into the heart and
> > > lungs, resulting in death.
> >
> > Do you have cause and effect misplaced?
>
> Perhaps I should have said "possibly resulting" in death.
To my understanding, the experience of the Vision *causes*
death. This is alluded to in Daniel, the Revelation of John
and 1Enoch, as I recall. The words 'fell down as if dead'
etc. are used euphemistically.
> But to
> answer what I believe is your question, in my opinion death is always
> finalized by a catastrophic event in the endocrine system. Absent this
> rush of "neuro-endocrinal" energy, resuscitation is always possible.
After the Vision resuscitation occurs as a matter of course--even*with*
this rush of neuro-endocrine energy. The principal physio-
logical element of the 'war in heaven' between these two kinds
of consciousness, then, is based upon this fundamental change in
neuro-endocrine chemistry--the effects of which are described
in detail in the Tahnksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls
(1QH).
This is the basis for the Tibetan Book of the Dead--the experiences
in this world after death is experienced and is then raised from the
dead in the immediate.
> > The "altar" is, as I understand it, the pituitary gland
> > which empties the "fire" on the "earth".
>
> There was a time when I believed that the details of myths could always
> be correlated very precisely with the details of neuroanatomy -- for
> example, I once wrote that the gasserian ganglion was the "altar to
> Apollo" referred to in the Atgonautica -- but my opinion has changed
> somewhat. As I now see it, the "altar" of many myths (I do not say
> all) is the area between the brows at the base of the nose, which, in
> the course of meditation, must necessarily involve what is behind that
> significant junction, within the cranium, i.e., the hypophysis and the
> gasseran ganglion; but given the immense antiquity of some of these
> myths, I feel it is unwarranted to too closely tie together myth and
> neuronantomy.
I think it is merely suggestive of what is occurring. Who knows what
will be found in the future regarding the relationship between the
neural and endocrine systems?
> One of the earliest altars in scripture is the spot
> where Abraham attempts to sacrifice Isaac, and I think it highly
> significant that, after Jehovah intervenes, Abraham sacrifces instead
> "A ram caught in a thicket," which I interpret as referring to the agni
> cakra (the spot twixt the brows) because the brows form the shape of a
> ram's horns (just one of many mythic shapes they play a part in
> describing, for example a bow, a cup, the arms of a balance, etc).
> Thus the ancient mythopoets coiuld have meant this general midbrain
> level without especially intending the pituitary to be the "altar."
> >
> > > which destroy the wicked (sin) and
> > > cleanmse the world. Still, there is a great deal
> > > to the Apocalypse that I do not understand.>
> >
> > OK. Questions?
>
> Actually, what I mean is that I think I great deal of the Apocalypse is
> not myth in the sense in which I understand the term, i.e., as an
> esoteric reference to the body.
There are seven churches, vials, seals and trumpets. The first and
second have physiological significance; the third represents levels
of consciousness while the fourth references the emotions.
> Some of it clearly seems to be
> polemical.
Well, it *does* make a point relative to the difference between
levels of consciousness, yes.
> Other parts may very well be hallucinatory.
Point them out and I may, perhaps, disabuse you of this notion,
who knows?
> But I shall
> reread it for passages that I suspect have proprioceptive significance
> and pass them on to you for commenyt.>
Surely a very *specific* concern...
Michael Cecil (