Gore let the election be stolen .
Mo
voted for him , the majority of Floridians who did the same , the pro
choice women anxious about their lives , the minorities .
He should have let the Florida Supreme Court decide if it could count
the votes in time but his concession now made legitimate the actions
of corrupt state officials and biased Judges and has let democracy
down.
Why would Americans trust him again , to stand up to mad Islamic
Jihadis and corrupt dictators when he couldnt even summon the courage
to thump his fist on the table and demand a count of the votes ?
He should go on TV and pledge to fight with renewed vigour and if they
still steal the election from him then at least he will have fought
for the principle - the will of the people in a free country- till
the very end..
F. Dwyer
>
> This concession is a disgrace and a betrayal of the 50m Americans who
> voted for him , the majority of Floridians who did the same , the pro
> choice women anxious about their lives , the minorities .
> He should have let the Florida Supreme Court decide if it could count
> the votes in time but his concession now made legitimate the actions
> of corrupt state officials and biased Judges and has let democracy
> down.
I don't want to rain on your parade, but "corrupt state officials and
biased judges" are what has made this country what it is. This IS
American democracy.
> Why would Americans trust him again , to stand up to mad Islamic
> Jihadis and corrupt dictators when he couldnt even summon the courage
> to thump his fist on the table and demand a count of the votes ?
Only some votes, not all.
> He should go on TV and pledge to fight with renewed vigour and if they
> still steal the election from him
No one "stole" the election.
> then at least he will have fought
> for the principle - the will of the people in a free country- till
> the very end..
He's a politician, the last thing on his mind is "fighting for the
people".
>
Mo
murdering democracy and violating Florida's own election laws. If that
is not corruption , what is ?..
Mo
It Ain't Over 'Til It's Over
The original title of this column had a "?" Who could guess when the
US presidential election would be over?
But then the news broke. The Florida Supreme Court ordered an
immediate manual count of the votes. Imagine that. After losing left
and right in different courts, the Justices decided that Gore was
right. It's not over until the votes are counted.
But, then GW had to appeal the decision. He didn't concede graciously
or allow this country go forward. He didn't let the people of the US
heal; all that touchy-feely stuff he'd been advising Gore to do for
weeks.
Had the count of 40,000 votes continued I doubt it would have been
difficult for Gore to come out ahead. That's why Republicans didn't
want it to get this far. It's why GW instructed his lawyers to ask for
a stay, a move usually reserved for those facing execution. Strange,
the media has been trying for weeks to have us to believe Gore was
losing sleep and that the order to count was his last gasp of air. But
in reality, it looks like George W. Bush was the desperate one,
someone who could not imagine life without the White House.
Predictably, the Republican-held Florida state legislature met on
December 12 to give its electoral votes to Governor Jeb Bush's
brother. Now I know what Brother Jeb meant when he assured GW back on
Election Day that Florida would be for Bush. What we couldn't hear was
the "by hook or by crook" that was probably also muttered.
Now the US Supreme Court has said there are constitutional problems
with the Florida Court's decision to count all votes. It may finally
be over. In essence, the Supreme Court has decided who the next
president will be, and it has done so along political lines, much like
everything else in the US.
Governor Bush may have won the appeal, but I don't think he's a
winner, any more than Vice-President Gore is a loser.
By now you've probably figured out whose side I'm on. But you're only
partially right.
True, I dread living under yet another Bush regime. I have done it
once already and as a friend says, if you think Daddy Bush had trouble
with "that vision thing", Boy George probably can't even spell vision.
It's pretty obvious that with GW in the White House, Former President
Bush will be serving the second term he lost 8 years ago.
I also want Gore in the White House because I lived in Texas for many
years and frankly, these good 'ol boys just plain scare me to death.
Texas is the state where a man was dragged to his death a few years
ago because he was black. It's where Papa Bush lives in a ritzy
Houston neighborhood that they say looks splendid this time of year,
decorated with Christmas lights. But, when I wanted to see for myself
I was told by longtime residents I had the wrong color skin to be
driving there. It's called racial profiling now-beat up Toyota, three
Indians driving slowly looking at fancy houses-you get the picture?
Texas is where the INS rounded up Indian software engineers in a raid
earlier this year, under GW's watch. Do you think President GW Bush
won't turn a blind eye to such raids again? While Bush, Sr. may call
his Hispanic grandchild brown-skinned affectionately, I doubt he and
his kin have any place their hearts for people of color. And you can
bet this is one family-value that GW has been taught real well.
The list goes on; Texas air-quality, maternal and child health care,
mental health services, care for the elderly; in a word? Dismal.
So, yes, I was crossing my fingers and toes that the under votes would
put Gore over the top in Florida. But, it's not just about Gore
winning. It's about counting, accountability and the courts.
From everything I've heard and read about the state Supreme Court
rulings, it appears Florida believes in counting every vote that can
be counted. No matter which party one belongs to, I fail to see how
this can be a bad thing. It is a moot point now. We may never know,
but I believe a count would have shown Gore received more votes in
Florida than Bush. I think Republicans knew this too.
This is, after all, the same party that once hired a few good men to
break into the Democratic party's offices during a presidential
election. So, forgive me if I find it a little difficult to believe
that something odd wasn't going on when absentee ballots were
corrected hush-hush in two Florida counties. Party officers knew it
was illegal but went ahead anyway. In the end, Florida courts ruled
that though they acted illegally, the officers' hearts were in the
right place.
Convince me that these Republicans didn't look into their hearts until
after they realized the importance of Florida's absentee ballots. With
many coming from military personnel posted around the world, these
traditionally Republican votes were essential for a Florida Bush
victory. So far, however, there has been no mention of charging these
party officers with the crime they committed. No one, it seems, will
be held accountable for their illegal actions.
Now it seems the Republican party has tainted the US Supreme Court as
well. The ruling handed down on December 12 was split along
conservative/liberal lines. This shouldn't come as a surprise to most
people. That's why this election was so critical. The next president
may have the opportunity to appoint up to 3 new Supreme Court
Justices. The ramifications for the people of the US may be enormous.
If nothing else come out of this, maybe now Americans will realize
just how important this aspect of Election 2000 was to our future.
I hope we've learned a lot more from this incredibly long election.
We now have proof that every vote does count. How often have we heard
this and ignored it? Imagine what may have happened if 20% or 30% more
people had voted. Our neighbors to the north are upset that less than
70% of registered voters showed up at the polls during their national
elections recently. 70%! Do you think the US will ever see the numbers
Canada has? The US media kept insisting we were in the midst of a
national crisis, but half of us didn't even care enough to vote. How
much of an ordeal was this really?
I also wonder about the minority vote. There were more registered
minority voters this year than in any previous election. But how many
of us actually voted? Did Indians who were eligible to vote come out
in droves? How many of us who could, voted absentee before going to
India for Diwali? Did we vote while we were there? Were the elections
important enough for us to come back by November 7? Did Permanent
Residents encourage their 18YO+ US-born kids to register and vote? I
hope we learned that we have to get involved.
What about the women? Did we realize it's not just how well some guy
kisses but the Supreme Court justices he will appoint that made this
election more crucial than any in recent history? Did we comprehend
that what happens when this is all over will affect our lives, our
rights, for decades to come? Something tells me we didn't. We were too
busy checking out Gore's wardrobe or going ga-ga over GW's down-home
personality.
For those of us who did vote, we learned that voting in the US is a
free-for-all. To each state its own. Discussing the election aftermath
in India, I argued with my mother as she told relatives she voted by
pulling a lever. What lever? In Houston, Atlanta and San Jose, I've
punched holes. In other parts of the US, one blackens in an oval.
There's no rhyme or reason for who gets to do what. For example,
wealthy districts in states use antiquated voting machines while
smaller, poorer precincts have the more accurate scanners.
I did know about chads, though. Anyone who reads ballot instructions
has to know how important it is to make sure the hole is punched clean
through. So, I go through and punch those darned holes three times.
But, I can see how people, and not just in Florida, may have trouble
punching the holes even once. It can be tricky picking up that tiny
plastic stylus and aligning the ballot just so while trying to figure
out the crazy numbering system.
It's almost too ridiculous to believe. Canada can manually count 13
million ballots in four hours. Illiterate voters around the world use
symbols, and touch-screen voting already exists in other countries.
But, the US punches, blackens and pulls or skips voting altogether. We
don't deserve democracy.
We also learned about a spoiler-Saint Ralph Nader, whose followers
keep voting for him just to make a point. Never mind that their green
agenda will get nowhere with another Bush administration. I blame both
Gore and Nader for not working together. What's so bad about forming
alliances, learning to work together towards a common goal? The
Republicans seemed to figure this out when McCain endorsed Bush.
Granted there are flaws with a two-party-only system, but why must the
rest of us, on both sides of the aisle, deal with the Green Party's
fallout now?
Finally, I learned about the 12th Amendment of the US Constitution. It
says that if both members of a presidential ticket are residents of
the same state, that state's electoral votes go to the opposing
ticket. If Dick Cheney had remained a Texas resident, Florida wouldn't
matter. Texas has 32 electoral votes, Florida 25. You do the math.
So, while the courts in Florida did their thing, a ruling was handed
down by a federal appeals court. It said Cheney was a resident of
Wyoming, even though he registered as a voter there only 4 days before
his candidacy was announced. Traditionally, courts have been lenient
regarding residency for candidates. But, anyone who has paid
out-of-state tuition fees knows how difficult it is for mere mortals
to prove residency. In most states it's virtually impossible before
the 1-year mark. For example, the great state of Texas refused my
residency petition at least twice, even though I held a full-time job
in Texas and was a registered voter who had actually voted in an
election. It didn't matter. I was just a citizen, not a politician.
I suppose that's what steams and saddens me most about Election 2000.
This election was supposed to be about us. We were supposed to elect a
president who would represent we-the-people, someone who would work
for all of us. But, whether it's Bush or Gore by the time it's over,
the new president of the US will represent only half of the half who
voted.
Maybe that means a coin-toss would have worked just as well. I don't
think so. That would mean there's no difference between the two men,
that we had no choice. In my opinion, we had a clear choice. One man
campaigned for a country's, for our future, the other ran for office.
I'm sure GW's supporters will disagree, but time will tell. The
political pundits are already predicting GW will be a lame-duck
president for his entire term and the House and Senate will be at
loggerheads.
God help us. It's going to be a long 4 years. And then we get to do
this all over again.
Reeta Sinha
Comandante Plátano
Those bastard Democrats will probably whine and not allow that to happen.
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Jason McNorton
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> Bush is not my president.
Heheh, yes he is (in January). Deal with it.
Burn Rate
EVER vote for ANY banana republican under any circumstances. Even the dog
catcher will work to defeat you and follow party lines. It is now clear from
the corrupt partisans in Florida that "independent" voters are just the
banana republicans' suckers.
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What country do you live in or plan on moving to? I hear the Baldwins may
need some companionship in France.
mrcid.
justinian
Papa Boner
You can't change the rules after the election is over. And those
wnating to change the rules after are nothing less than the real
crooks.!!!!!!!!!!!
The Demos can't fight for anything any way. clinton took your guns
away!!!!
have a nice four years!!!!
Burn Rate
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Momin
> Seems like the candidate of the Jews and the Hindus lost
Does not matter. When it comes to dealing with Islamic
terrorists and pedophiles, either candidate's win is
Islamists loss...
Madurai Veeran
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> How could Bush steal what he won 3 times?
>
Rhenquist + Scalia + Thomas + O' connor + Kennedy = 5
He has actually won the election 5 times.
Cisco Kid
the laughing stock of the entire world. Let's see how many scandals
shrub can rack up before the inauguration.
Cisco Kid
Papa Boner wrote:
> <snip>. clinton took your guns
????
Al Carl
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Mo
according to the popular vote in each state , where this is not
forbidden by law ( about 17 states)
if the Republicans are going to steal election via fascist Judges ,
the Democrats dont have to stick to sportsman's rules..
John S. Dyson
Cisco Kid <ck...@attnet.net> writes:
>
> Yes, I'm afraid we will have to deal with it indeed. Already the US is
> the laughing stock of the entire world. Let's see how many scandals
> shrub can rack up before the inauguration.
>
the foreign press saw the effects of. The beauty of the situation is that
the weakening Clinton/Gore failed foreign policy will no longer be operative,
and some of the lamers in the world will not be able to take advantage of
us so easily anymore.
If Algor had accepted reality, the situation would have been much easier
on everyone. This has even exacted a toll on his daughter (he doesn't
care about anyone but himself.)
Alas, we can move forward now, and fix some problems that Algor and his
legal weasels tried to take advantage of.
John
Cisco Kid
appointees to anoint himself emperor.
Oh well, at least Leno and Letterman will be getting endless material for the
next four years.
John S. Dyson
Cisco Kid <ck...@attnet.net> writes:
>
> I believe it was shrub who was able to take advantage of his daddy's SC
> appointees to anoint himself emperor.
>
equivalent of a room full of chimps trying to fix the election. Alas,
the Fla's supreme court coup didnt' work out either. The US Supreme
court had to abort the coup (even against their own distaste.)
>
> Oh well, at least Leno and Letterman will be getting endless material for the
> next four years.
>
Algor's wooden behavior would have been funnier (since it is true.) Bogus
attempts at making Bush look stupid only work so far, since he isn't. Bush
hasn't had to learn to act, yet Gore's personality is quite variable due
to the necessary coaching.
I guess it is funny to wish that Bush didn't win, but alas, the more
intelligent and effective organizer won!!! :-). Gore had a very pathetic
showing, considering that his party had the White House, and he had
all of the advantages. If Bush is dumb, it is clear that Gore is quite
a bit dumber :-).
John
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Cisco Kid
"John S. Dyson" wrote:
> Gore had a very pathetic showing, considering that his party had the White House,
> and he had
> all of the advantages.
It seems shrub's brother was the FL governor and the head election official
(Katherine Harris) was shrub's FL campaign co-chair. Now if that isn't stacking
the deck against Gore, what is?
> If Bush is dumb, it is clear that Gore is quite a bit dumber :-).
The accurate term to describe shrub is "academically lazy". How many books has
shrub written. Or, how many books has he even read?
John S. Dyson
Cisco Kid <ck...@attnet.net> writes:
>
>
> "John S. Dyson" wrote:
>
>> Gore had a very pathetic showing, considering that his party had the White House,
>> and he had
>> all of the advantages.
>
> It seems shrub's brother was the FL governor and the head election official
> (Katherine Harris) was shrub's FL campaign co-chair. Now if that isn't stacking
> the deck against Gore, what is?
>
exactly (until the Fla Supremes created new ones.)
>
>> If Bush is dumb, it is clear that Gore is quite a bit dumber :-).
>
> The accurate term to describe shrub is "academically lazy". How many books has
> shrub written. Or, how many books has he even read?
>
The voting for electors didn't happen just in Fla, but happened all over
the country. My comment stands, that since some Dems call Bush 'dumb',
this must make Gore a total idiot? :-).
Gore had the entire administration on his side, yet Bush was actually
the underdog. We did end up with the best leader of the two, and there
are different sorts of intelligence. In the case of leadership, we
got the best one, otherwise Bush wouldn't have won. If Gore was a
great leader, he would have smashed Bush. Gore being mediocre,
with an almost lifelong career in politics, and Bush almost taking
it as a new hobby -- the better, more adaptable, and more intelligent
man won.
Fla is a small part of the issue, and only happened to be the
last in the timeframe. Gore screwed up alot of times (including in
Tenn) so he ended up loosing. Of course, the reason why he didn't
win his own home state (but had been previously elected many times)
is because he now acts like a different person. Gore isn't honest
enough with his own convictions to maintain credibility with those
who know him the best: Residents of Tenn. Perhaps he has picked up
too many habits from his buddy: Bubba. The major difference between
Algor and Bubba is that Algor doesn't appear to perv on his young
employees.
John
Cisco Kid
"John S. Dyson" wrote:
> In article <3A3C419D...@attnet.net>,
> Cisco Kid <ck...@attnet.net> writes:
> >
> >
> > "John S. Dyson" wrote:
> >
> >> Gore had a very pathetic showing, considering that his party had the White House,
> >> and he had
> >> all of the advantages.
> >
> > It seems shrub's brother was the FL governor and the head election official
> > (Katherine Harris) was shrub's FL campaign co-chair. Now if that isn't stacking
> > the deck against Gore, what is?
> >
> Katherine Harris followed the rules exactly. The rules were followed
> exactly (until the Fla Supremes created new ones.)
What discretion did she use in determining if any certified results could be late?
Answer - none. It' her job to see the election process is complete and fair. In that,
she failed miserably.
Bush was out raising obscene amounts of funds years before anyone was considered a
viable candidate. The richest get the mostest - or money *is* politics.
I don't consider Bush a capable leader. He has always lived the privledged life -
getting what he wants or needs from daddy. Had GW not had a father as a former
president and a brother in a hotly contested state, he would never had come close. This
election was fixed from the onset.
Gore won the states he targeted (including Florida). The wrong man is in the White
House by virtue of a partisan Supreme Court vote.
We instead got a guy who admitted he'd rather be *dictator*. As Joe Lockhart commented,
"Bush is going to have to learn this will not be an 8-5 job. He can't delegate
everything. If Putin calls at 3am, he'll want to talk to the president and not be told,
"Well sir, the president was up late last night playing video games and can't be
disturbed now. Would you like to speak with one of our cooks?"
How many times has Letterman done the side by side shrub and deer-in-the-headlights
thing?
Bush will have a very difficult time containing the radicals in his own party. Since he
won't be able to do that, there will be no bipartisan cooperation between the moderates
of the GOP or Democrats.
Jeffrey Laventure
Your description sounds a lot like John Kennedy. You know, a father who was a rum runner,
political fixer and general all around crook.
John S. Dyson
Cisco Kid <ck...@attnet.net> writes:
>
>
> "John S. Dyson" wrote:
>
>> In article <3A3C419D...@attnet.net>,
>> Cisco Kid <ck...@attnet.net> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> > "John S. Dyson" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gore had a very pathetic showing, considering that his party had the White House,
>> >> and he had
>> >> all of the advantages.
>> >
>> > It seems shrub's brother was the FL governor and the head election official
>> > (Katherine Harris) was shrub's FL campaign co-chair. Now if that isn't stacking
>> > the deck against Gore, what is?
>> >
>> Katherine Harris followed the rules exactly. The rules were followed
>> exactly (until the Fla Supremes created new ones.)
>
> What discretion did she use in determining if any certified results could be late?
> Answer - none. It' her job to see the election process is complete and fair. In that,
> she failed miserably.
>
abuse of power, please refer to the Fla Supreme court attempted coup. For
violating the intent of law, refer to the cherry picking by the Gore
crew.
John
Srivatsan Seshadri
Cisco Kid wrote:
> {snipped]
Just curious: Why do you call yourself a "Cisco Kid"? BTW, it plunged to a 52 week low
today. A lot more slide left in it IMO.
cheers
vatsan
Cisco Kid
realistic levels. Good time to buy. Should have sold more last spring tho...
Srivatsan Seshadri
Cisco Kid wrote:
> Yes, I am employed in the high tech industry. NASDAQ prices have finally come down to
> realistic levels. Good time to buy. Should have sold more last spring tho...
I'm buying only for short/medium term. Any ramp up in price, I sell and book my profits and
wait for the shares to fall back again. In a bear market they seem to be falling a lot more
than one would expect. Also, I don't think NAZ is going anywhere atleast until the March of
next year. Many big cap companies on the index are still too pricey. Personally, I think
while Cisco is a great company to own, P/E of about 90 is much too expensive for me. I think
it will waffle for some more time and there is a lot more risk to the downside. I would
rather accumulate more Nokia and Ericsson that show above average top/bottom line growth and
are cheap compared to Cisco (although Nokia is still a pricey stock). Good luck with your
investments...
cheers
vatsan