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Let be fair and show Women status in the US-Led Westren hegemony communities . Now that women conceive to be in charge of their own affairs, does this mean that they have reached the pinnacle of gender equality? Has the "new woman" of today overcome the oppression and subjugation of the "bad old days"? Does the liberation of women signal the advent of a new, morally correct world? Has liberation achieved real emancipation and freed women from injustice? Have we seen the last of oppression, infanticide, prostitution, rape, divorce and single parent (usually single mother) families?
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> 1999 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices Released by the Bureau of > Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor,
> U.S. Department of State, February 25, 2000
> Iranian Women Briefs
> Monthly newsletters on the latest events of interest to Iranian women
> Iranian Women Brief #33, November 2000
> Iranian Women Brief #32, November 2000
> Iranian Women Brief #31, October 2000
> Iranian Women Brief #30, October 2000
> Singing in Exile
> Interview with Marzieh "Now, I am free to sing again ..."
> Dr. Donna Hughes, Director of Women's Studies Program at University of Rhode > Island, writes on the topic of "Maryam Rajavi's Ideology of Liberation, The > Practice of Women's Empowerment"
>> in the World March of >> Women 2000 >> Report from
>> WORLD MARCH OF WOMEN 2000 >> October 15, 2000 Washington, D.C.
>> Monthly Bulletin of the Women's Committee of the National Council of >> Resistance of Iran, October 2000
>Let be fair and show Women status in the US-Led Westren hegemony communities
Oh yes. let's compare women cases in Arab vs, western countries
>. >Now that women conceive to be in charge of their own affairs, >does this mean that they have reached the pinnacle of gender equality?
Not in the twisted way you put it.
But women lost the shackles of Islam and this alone is a big deal
And women lost the fear they are always fearing when in an islamic country, how big is this one when ""Honor killing"" by own father or brother is all over the Islamic world. Can you honestly deny that?
>Has the "new woman" >of today overcome the oppression and subjugation of the "bad old days"?
INDEED, INDEED, INDEED, ten times indeed
>Does the liberation of women signal the advent of a new, morally correct world?
If being the one man presonal whore, baby machine, the slave who is afraid to her life, is a morally correct world, then you can have it all for yourself Mister man.
>Has liberation achieved real emancipation and freed women from injustice?
INDEED INDEED INDEED many times indeed, but what you man will ever know? You were, and still are the rulers, and your woman slave all of a sudden ran away and you don't know what to do...is it not mister man??
>Have we seen the last of oppression, infanticide, prostitution, rape,
In the Islamic world we haven't seen nor we will ever see the last of those crimes against women and children as long as the likes of you are in control of the people mind with the help of Al-Quran.
>divorce and single parent (usually single mother) families?
Those are personal tragedies that exist all over the world
AND MORE SO IN THE ARAB/ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, but no statistics on that
exist as you guys do not allow freedom of expression and all is hidden from public view
In the Name of Allah, most Compassionate, most Merciful
Amina How I became muslim
I was born in Canada to Christian parents from European descendants. I was raised in Canada for the first several years of my life. Then my parents became missionaries. We moved all over the U.S.A. and Europe, while my family tried to make people become Christian. Finally we moved to Jerusalem. There I discovered so many things about life. I never knew what was a Jew or a Muslim before this, but I soon learned. I remember the first time I visited the Old City of Jerusalem and I saw Muslims for the first time.
I was fascinated by their culture. I soon found myself attracted to the Old City more and more. I made many friends there. I went to a Christian school that was first located on the Jewish side of Jerusalem but was later moved to the Arab side. I found my self going to school with these Muslim people. My parents soon forbid me to be their friends, or to even talk to Muslims, because she said they were filled with demons. At this time I was very young, a teenager, but I still never believed her. I saw no demonic actions from these warm hearted people. I made many friends, and I snuck away to visit them. Soon my mother found out and beat me. I was told I also had demons for loving these people. Soon after this my mother threw me in the street to live.
I lived in a boarding school after this and worked to pay for my schooling. Eventually, my family left Jerusalem for Canada. And I was left all alone in Jerusalem. After 3 years I went to Canada to visit my family. They were less than hospitable to me, their own daughter. I was told I was demon possessed and thrown into the street. I stayed in Canada for 3 months. I felt lost and alone. I went back to Jerusalem and got a job in the Old City and moved there. I worked for an Arab family who helped me and took care of me, even more than my own family.
Everyday I felt my self drawn to the Large Majestic Dome of the Rock. I would go there and sit in the gardens listening to the call to prayer. As I watched the faithful Muslims gather for prayer, I felt a longing in my heart. I wanted this, this peace of heart that most seemed to have. Despite the Intafada, the torture, and killing, that happened to them everyday, they had peace. Peace of heart. I saw many horrible things in Jerusalem, West Bank and Gaza.
And I heard the world cry for peace!!. But always for the so called "poor Jews".
I hardly ever heard a cry for the poor children trying to defend their mothers and sisters from rape and torture. These people had the bravest hearts I have ever seen. Small children would corner soldiers toting guns in a corner, with just stones as their weapons. I hope one day to have one quarter of their bravery. When I moved to Canada I met some Muslims here from Lebanon.
They seemed to be able to answer all the questions I had. And If they didn't have the answers, they said they could find them by asking scholars of Islam. I was very impressed by this because they were not afraid to say I don't know. They never lied to me or tried to fool me. There is no shame in saying I have to ask. In fact this proved to me their honesty and love for this religion. I was told by many people that women are oppressed in Islam. So of course this was a major concern of mine. So I asked questions of them concerning this.
They explained to me that women are precious, like the most valued treasure. They also explained to me that men are not better than women and women are not better than men, they are just different. Different in feelings, thought, and emotions, among other things. They also told me that in Islam, there is no prejudice at all, and in fact being prejudice is against Islam. Muslims do not judge a person on their skin color, place, status of birth, male or female. The only way a person can be better than another is if they are a better Muslim. And this makes sense because we cannot help our birth place or to whom we were born. The same as a murderer or a rapist cannot be placed on the same platform as a man who has been good all his life.
I asked these people to explain to me all about the fighting and so called terrorism that is going on in this world. And the answer they gave me was, there are people who practice Islam and people who do not. The fault is not with the religion, but with the people who disobey the religion. And besides, we do not know all the circumstances of what life is like, other than our own. I didn't really know how one becomes Muslim and they explained the belief of Muslims to me. And here it is, as it was explained to me and to all Muslims dating back to the first Prophet, ADAM. Peace be Upon Him.
Allah is One Indivisible. Allah does not resemble any of his creations. Allah exists without a place. Allah has no beginning. Allah has no end. Allah has the attribute of hearing. Allah has the attribute of sight. Allah has the attribute of Kalam (speech) Allah has the attribute of Will. Allah has the attribute of Power. Allah has the attribute of Knowledge. Allah has the attribute of Life. Allah does not need anyone or anything.
When one looks at the belief of Islam it becomes so logical and obvious. It is logical to believe that there is only One God. For example, If someone said there were 2 gods and one wanted a person dead and one wanted a person alive, a person cannot be dead and alive in the same time, so one of these so called gods would be weak, and anything weak does not deserve to be worshipped.
Let me explain to you what is the definition of perfection, because when I heard this, it all made sense. Perfection is something that does not change and has no flaws or weaknesses, because if something changes, it either changes for the better or for the worse. And if something changed for the better, that means it was bad and then became good. Nothing changes and stays the same. And if something changed for the worse, this means it is no longer perfect. So God is Perfect. God does not change. Anything that is weak does not deserve to be worshipped. When we say God exists without a place we mean that everything other than God is a creation. And all creations have a beginning and a possible ending.
Therefore all creations need One to give them their beginning and ending. Some people do not think about the extent of the creations. Place, time, light, imagination, thoughts, as well as all the humans and animals are creations, among many many other things. For example, a place is a creation. It has dimensions or a body just like the other creations. And they need One to give them their shape form and dimensions. Therefore we say that God exists without a place before God created place, and since God does not change, then God exists without place after God created place. How totally logical!! So this is the correct and Logical belief in God. And this is the belief of every Muslim on this planet no matter where or when he or she lived.
When Islam is practiced accordingly, it is a beautiful sight. I hope I have shed some light on those who have questions about Islam. You are also welcome to e-mail me if you have any other questions. I ask Allah to show you the right path, or to keep you on the right path.
If one wants to become Muslim, it is very simple. All you need to do is say "I believe there is only One God, and Mohammad is the last Prophet and Messenger of God" One says this loud enough for themselves to hear. You don't need to go to a mosque or a person in order to become Muslim, but after you become Muslim, go and learn more about Islam from a Mosque. They will be happy for you, no matter where on this earth you are. And they will help you as much as they can. If you want a listing of Mosques near you, perhaps I can help. I know a lot of Mosques all over the world. So just e-mail me if you like, and I will help you.
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:54:22 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" > <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Let be fair and show Women status in the US-Led Westren hegemony communities
> Oh yes. let's compare women cases in Arab vs, western countries
> And women lost the fear they are always fearing when in an islamic > country, how big is this one when ""Honor killing"" by own father or > brother is all over the Islamic world. Can you honestly deny that?
This so- called honor killing not in Islam teaching , it is often tied to the tradition , but remember , it is the same in the Westren societies including US , the practice of honor killing exist in different name , Crimes of passion ...... How many women killed for breaking up her relation with boy freind or husband ..
"news.chello" wrote: > Islam teaches and practices absolute racial equality. Moslems are > forbidden > personal friendships with Christians or Jews (Sura 5:55), a prohibition > that > is ignored by many Moslems in foreign lands which are influenced by > Christianity. the penalty for apostasy from Islam is harsh. (Sura 4:89) > refers to those who renounce Islam:" If they desert you, seize them and > put > them to death wherever you find them". A growing number of Moslem nations
> "officially" accept the United nations charter, which grants freedom to > persons to change their religious beliefs but unofficially it still > forbidden to convert to other religions. Some passages of Quran seem to > promote a "holy war" against all non-Moslems; for example: "Make war on > them > until idolatry is no more and Allah´s religion reigns supreme" (Sura > 8:39). > Concerning the role of women the Quran says: (Sura4:34) "Men have > authority > over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and > because they spend their wealth to maintain them.... as for those from > whom > you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat
> them.".
> Islam is spread by > ) deception that it means peace. Actually Islam means surrender! Fanatics
> brainwash and say it means peace! It means the peace that comes from > surrender! > ) Force, killing are witnessed today for conversions. > )Sexual multiplication. Growth rate is enormous! > ) Money with petro dollars! > ) Most Western people know it is not in a 9 year old girl's best interest > to > engage in marriage and sexual relations with a 53 year old man, > regardless > of the cultural setting. In our society today a person doing such a thing
> would be sent to prison for sex with a minor, statutory rape, or other > related laws. > Most of us find it questionable for Muhammad, a self proclaimed prophet > of > God, to do such a thing. We expect a real prophet to know better, or at > least hear from God on the matter.
> Here is a fairly extensive sampling of Ahadith that describe the age of > Mohammeds third wife Aisha at the time of their marriage and at the time > of > the consummation of their marriage. She was given to Mohammed in > marriage > by her father, Abu Bakr, at the age of 6. Mohammed consummated this > marriage when Aisha was 9. Medical science tells us that a woman can > have > her first menstrual cycle when she is 9. > Islam promises hell to non-Muslims 3:85, 4:56, 5:37, 5:72, 8:55,9:28, > 15:2, > 21:98-100, 22:19-22, 22:56-57, 25:17-19, 25:55, 29:53-55, 31:13, > 66:9, 68:10-13, 72:14- 15, > Islam warms against mixing with non-Muslims 2:21, 3:28, 3:118, 5:51, > 5:144, 9:7, 9:28, 58:23, 60:4. > Islam calls on Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims 2:191, 2:193, > 4:66, > 4:84, 5:33, 8:12, 8:15-18, 8:39, 8:59-60, 8:65, 9:2-3, 9:5,9:14, > 9:29, 9:39, 9:73, 9:111, 9:123, 25:52, 37:22-23, 47:4-5, 48:29, 69:30- > 37.
> Islam encourages the war against the non-Muslims by glorifying it 2:216, > 9:41, 49:15, or by promising lust in paradise to the Shaheeds who die in > such a > war 3:142, 3:157-158, 9:20--21.
> In fact the whole Koran is a license to kill, rape and loot the property > of > non-Muslims. Study carefully. That is what the Muslims did in history in > all > lands as a sacred duty. They killed looted and raped. Some Muslims seem > to > be obsessed with the evil and they have these self -destructive beliefs > about holy wars and about killing .
> Jesus didn´t maried and has sacrificed himself being crucified to save > the > mankind. Muhammed, the founder of this "fabulous" faith. Mohammed was > married to Khadija Bibi, his employer and 15 years his senior. At that > time > Mohammed was 25 years old. He was Khadija > Bibi's third husband. Khadija Bibi was a widow when she married Mohammed.
> For the first time in his life, Mohammed enjoyed a luxurious life.
> This shows the parasitic nature of Mohammed who married his employer so > that > he can live a rich life without putting in a single day's work.
> 2. Khadija Bibi died when Mohammed was 49 years old. Between the ages of > 49 > and 63 the "great prophet" married at least 11 times.
> This shows how he treated the institution of marriage. For him, women > were > nothing but objects for sexual fulfillment. Marrying at least 11 women in > 14 > years throws light on his insatiable sexual appetite. > Read on about the "greatness" of this prophet.
> 3. Mohammed's favourite wife was Ayesha Bibi who was 6 years old when she
> was married to him.
> Marrying a 6 year old baby clearly shows that Mohammed was not only a > womanizer but also a child molester.
> 4. Mohammed's adopted son Zayed was married to Zainab, daughter of Jahsh.
> But one day the prophet "beheld in a loose undress, the beauty of Zainab,
> and burst forth into an ejaculation of devotion and desire. The servile, > or > greatful, freeman (Zayed) understood the hint and yielded without > hesitation > to the love of the benefactor."
> Mohammed was not satisfied with his own overflowing harem and had to > marry > his son's wife. His son being a devoted follower of the "great" prophet > was > more than happy to divorce his wife. What a great father-in-law Mohammed > was, a model for all Islamic father-in-laws!
> Mohammed preached what he practised. This is supported by the following > verses from Quran and Hadiths.
> Quotes from the "Holy" Quran on Women
> II/223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your > tilth > as ye will...
> Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam > are > referred to as fields that are to be cultivated by man. What an honour > for a > Muslim woman!
> IV/34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of > them > to excel the other.. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish > them > and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.
> First point to notice here is that Quran clearly states that Men are > superior to women. Secondly, Islam instructs that a man should control > his > women through brutal violence and fear.
> IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness > ...confine > them until death claims them.
> IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish > them > both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving
> and merciful.
> As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable by
> death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by the all > merciful Allah.
> XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses > except > themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies...
> Here we see, that a husband can easily accuse his wife (or wives) and > eventually sentence her to death by merely declaring four times that the > accusation is true. On the other hand, women have no such right in Islam.
> Quotes from Hadith TIRMZI AND OTHERS > If a woman's conduct is mischievous or immodest, the husband has the > right > to beat her up but must not break her bones. She must not allow anybody > to > enter the house if her husband does not like him. She has the right to > expect sustenance of her husband. (TR. P 439)
> It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when
> she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)
> A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last > three > days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father
> A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, > brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)
> She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her > husband, > and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)
> A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting > (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)
> If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have
> prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)
> If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come > immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
> The marriage of a woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. > For > example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, > he > must do so. (TR. P 440)
> A woman who seeks KHULA i.e. divorce from her man, without a just cause, > shall not enter paradise. (TR. P 440) > On the contrary, a husband can divorce his wife at will.
> Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)
> If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she > becomes > the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she > deserts > her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)
> Women who are ungrateful to their men are the denizens of hell; it is an > act > of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you."
> (Bokhari P 96)
> A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even > her > milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27) She is not allowed to > practise > birth control either.
> Quotes From Sahih Muslim Hadith > Chapter 540.The prophet said that he saw a woman coming and going in the > shape of a devil and she fascinated him. So he came to his wife, Zainab, > as > she was tanning leather and had sexual intercourse with her. That drove > out > what he felt in his heart.
> Chapter 558. The prophet said: "When a man calls his wife to bed and she > does not come, the husband spends the night being angry with her, and the
> angels curse her until morning. The one who is in heaven is displeased > with > her until the husband is pleased with her.
> Chpater 576. The prophet said :"Woman has been created from a rib, and > will > in no way be straightened for you."
>"MARYAM ZEINATI" <m...@nerth.net> wrote in message >news:3a3d5b82.11838200@news... >> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:54:22 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" >> <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Let be fair and show Women status in the US-Led Westren hegemony >communities
>> Oh yes. let's compare women cases in Arab vs, western countries
>> And women lost the fear they are always fearing when in an islamic >> country, how big is this one when ""Honor killing"" by own father or >> brother is all over the Islamic world. Can you honestly deny that?
>This so- called honor killing not in Islam teaching , it is often tied to >the tradition , but remember , it is the same in the Westren societies >including US , the practice of honor killing exist in different name , >Crimes of passion ...... >How many women killed for breaking up her relation with boy freind or >husband ..
This is not true at all, and I am sure you are smart enough to tell the difference but you are trying to be loyal to Islam more then loyal to the truth.
Of course women are killed all over the world...but so are men killed all over the world, each for many reason that are always different and it has nothing to do with the ARABIC CURSE CALLED HONOR KILLING.
If a woman and a man are married or even common law and they separate and one is desperate for the other, then the stronger will kill the weaker, and not always it is the woman who get killed. There are many women in prisons who killed their man for jealousy or in desperation and other reasons.
But H O N O R ??? What is that anyway?? Whose honor are we talking about anyway? What is the business of the Father or the brother if a woman L O O K E D to someone ? How this affect the family honor? And the woman body, who it belong to for heaven's sake ? What is the bloody business of anyone who the woman befriend or even go to bed with? For this she should be killed???
>HONOR KILLING IS AN ARAB/ISLAMIC/QURANIC DISEASE THAT ONLY MEN WANT IT
Admit it if you are honest and then go out and help opposing it
The real victims of Islam are the Muslims themselves. They do not dare renounce Islam on the pain of death.
Except for the time when Muslims went out to conquer the world, never before were so many Muslims on the move out of their own Islamic countries and into the free west.
They are looking for freedom from oppressive Islam
Democracy permits freedom of thoughts and freedom of worship. In a democracy you can worship the God of your choice or not worship at all if you are an atheist with no God at all.
In Islam you must accept Mohammed's Allah or your are called an APOSTATE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>APOSTASY IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
ISLAM IS A DICTATORSHIP. DEMOCRACY WILL EVENTUALLY KILL IT.
>> > Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam >> > If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come >> > immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
> HERE a Muslim woman open her legs for husband only , NON-Muslim women open >her legs for any male on basic first come , first serve .........
You didn't get the point ya Abu-Alwafa, The western woman open her legs when she wants and when it pleases her, and she get satisfaction from it.
The Muslim woman open her legs on orders!! If she wants it or not. She doesn't get anything from it because very often she had her vagina cut in FGM to prevent her from enjoying it, and most of the time she gets beaten before or after she render this service to the man.
DO THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, is it not Ya Abu-Alwafa??
"U -Elwafa" <@.....ttt> wrote in message news:3a3ef158.14206517@news... > On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:20:16 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" > <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in Islam > >> > If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come > >> > immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428)
> > HERE a Muslim woman open her legs for husband only , NON-Muslim women open > >her legs for any male on basic first come , first serve .........
> You didn't get the point ya Abu-Alwafa, > The western woman open her legs when she wants and when it pleases > her, and she get satisfaction from it.
How do you know that . did they report to you , and what about the satisfaction "guarantee " forced on Non-Muslim women by rape under the term , SEXUAL ASSAULT . Every year approximately 132,000 Non-Muslim women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:08:54 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" > <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >How many women killed for breaking up her relation with boy freind or > >husband ..
> Of course women are killed all over the world...but so are men killed > all over the world, each for many reason that are always different and > it has nothing to do with the ARABIC CURSE CALLED HONOR KILLING.
> If a woman and a man are married or even common law and they separate > and one is desperate for the other, then the stronger will kill the > weaker, and not always it is the woman who get killed. > There are many women in prisons who killed their man for jealousy or > in desperation and other reasons.
> But H O N O R ??? What is that anyway?? > Whose honor are we talking about anyway? What is the business of the > Father or the brother if a woman L O O K E D to someone ? > How this affect the family honor? > And the woman body, who it belong to for heaven's sake ? What is > the bloody business of anyone who the woman befriend or even go to bed > with? For this she should be killed???
> Admit it if you are honest and then go out and help opposing it
> M.Z.
Let Non- Muslim women say that to her partner , and watch what will happened .... Your comment is similar to those who are in the prostitution trade , yes it is her body , and wonder why the US-Led Westren hegemony not legalize drugs , since the damage will affect only the user body , where the freedom of "this is my body " Did you hear about the term one night stand ? By the way Do you know what is " Moral and Dignity " means ???????????????????????
> The real victims of Islam are the Muslims themselves.
And The Victim of Non- Muslim are the moral , the family values , and the woman dignity . Women are used for sex trade , Pornography is an example , Pornography does not present women as human beings with feelings and needs, but as mere available commodities to be used and cast aside. Women are led to believe that by selling their bodies, they are achieving equality, but in fact they become subordinate to men who use the idea of equality to exploit women for their own desires and financial gain.Women are being told - by libertarian theorists that because 'women are equal now,' it is all right for women to enjoy pornography. This ideology serves more to defeat women's emancipation than to pander to it. The idea of selling pornography to women from the 1980s has become a more sophisticated and effective way of bolstering male power".
>"U -Elwafa" <@.....ttt> wrote in message news:3a3ef158.14206517@news... >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:20:16 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" >> <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > Here you can clearly see how highly Islam treats women. Women in >Islam >> >> > If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse the woman must come >> >> > immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P >428)
>> > HERE a Muslim woman open her legs for husband only , NON-Muslim women >open >> >her legs for any male on basic first come , first serve .........
>> You didn't get the point ya Abu-Alwafa, >> The western woman open her legs when she wants and when it pleases >> her, and she get satisfaction from it.
> How do you know that . did they report to you , and what about the >satisfaction "guarantee " forced on Non-Muslim women by rape under the term >, SEXUAL ASSAULT . Every year approximately 132,000 Non-Muslim women report >that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of >them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many >women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are >forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than >once.
My dear man. Can you tell the difference between crime on the street and religion? Crime of the street is one thing and religion is another.
In the streets of one city may be not one rape in ten years and in another city maybe ten rapes everyday. What has that to do with religion.
The conditions of the Islamic woman is due to the Islamic law, and the crime against women in the streets are a matter of the society honesty. Are you trying to say that in the streets of Islamic countries there are no crimes? If this is what you want to say then tell me why they do not allow crime statistics in Arab countries? Is it to cover up what happen? And the rape by the husband when the wife is reluctant, is it not rape by beating and force?
You can defend islam all you want, but if anything will bring it down it is mainly the oppression of the woman.
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:08:54 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" > <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >"MARYAM ZEINATI" <m...@nerth.net> wrote in message > >news:3a3d5b82.11838200@news... > >> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:54:22 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" > >> <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >Let be fair and show Women status in the US-Led Westren hegemony > >communities
> >> Oh yes. let's compare women cases in Arab vs, western countries
> >> And women lost the fear they are always fearing when in an islamic > >> country, how big is this one when ""Honor killing"" by own father or > >> brother is all over the Islamic world. Can you honestly deny that?
> >This so- called honor killing not in Islam teaching , it is often tied to > >the tradition , but remember , it is the same in the Westren societies > >including US , the practice of honor killing exist in different name , > >Crimes of passion ...... > >How many women killed for breaking up her relation with boy freind or > >husband ..
> This is not true at all, and I am sure you are smart enough to tell > the difference but you are trying to be loyal to Islam more then loyal > to the truth.
> Of course women are killed all over the world...but so are men killed > all over the world, each for many reason that are always different and > it has nothing to do with the ARABIC CURSE CALLED HONOR KILLING.
> If a woman and a man are married or even common law and they separate > and one is desperate for the other, then the stronger will kill the > weaker, and not always it is the woman who get killed. > There are many women in prisons who killed their man for jealousy or > in desperation and other reasons.
> But H O N O R ??? What is that anyway?? > Whose honor are we talking about anyway? What is the business of the > Father or the brother if a woman L O O K E D to someone ? > How this affect the family honor? > And the woman body, who it belong to for heaven's sake ? What is > the bloody business of anyone who the woman befriend or even go to bed > with? For this she should be killed???
> >HONOR KILLING IS AN ARAB/ISLAMIC/QURANIC DISEASE THAT ONLY MEN WANT IT
> Admit it if you are honest and then go out and help opposing it
> M.Z.
Do you know of an url dedictated to the fighting of honor killings??
>"MARYAM ZEINATI" <m...@nerth.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag >news:3a3eed53.13178153@news... >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:08:54 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" >> <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >"MARYAM ZEINATI" <m...@nerth.net> wrote in message >> >news:3a3d5b82.11838200@news... >> >> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:54:22 GMT, "Abu-Alwafa" >> >> <almared_alar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >Let be fair and show Women status in the US-Led Westren hegemony >> >communities
>> >> Oh yes. let's compare women cases in Arab vs, western countries
>> >> And women lost the fear they are always fearing when in an islamic >> >> country, how big is this one when ""Honor killing"" by own father or >> >> brother is all over the Islamic world. Can you honestly deny that?
>> >This so- called honor killing not in Islam teaching , it is often tied >to >> >the tradition , but remember , it is the same in the Westren societies >> >including US , the practice of honor killing exist in different name , >> >Crimes of passion ...... >> >How many women killed for breaking up her relation with boy freind or >> >husband ..
>> This is not true at all, and I am sure you are smart enough to tell >> the difference but you are trying to be loyal to Islam more then loyal >> to the truth.
>> Of course women are killed all over the world...but so are men killed >> all over the world, each for many reason that are always different and >> it has nothing to do with the ARABIC CURSE CALLED HONOR KILLING.
>> If a woman and a man are married or even common law and they separate >> and one is desperate for the other, then the stronger will kill the >> weaker, and not always it is the woman who get killed. >> There are many women in prisons who killed their man for jealousy or >> in desperation and other reasons.
>> But H O N O R ??? What is that anyway?? >> Whose honor are we talking about anyway? What is the business of the >> Father or the brother if a woman L O O K E D to someone ? >> How this affect the family honor? >> And the woman body, who it belong to for heaven's sake ? What is >> the bloody business of anyone who the woman befriend or even go to bed >> with? For this she should be killed???
>> >HONOR KILLING IS AN ARAB/ISLAMIC/QURANIC DISEASE THAT ONLY MEN >WANT IT
>> Admit it if you are honest and then go out and help opposing it
>> M.Z.
>Do you know of an url dedictated to the fighting of honor killings??
>Selima >(newbie)
Maybe there is but I don't. What I do know is that the Jordanian government now is trying to legislate something against it after some terrible killing by fathers and brothers lately in Jordan that somehow reached the ears of the idiots of the UN, So this is all I know but keep looking for it I am sure there is something.
However, even though it is not precisely about it, try this site and take it from there:
(snip) > >> >HONOR KILLING IS AN ARAB/ISLAMIC/QURANIC DISEASE THAT ONLY MEN > >WANT IT
> >> Admit it if you are honest and then go out and help opposing it
> >> M.Z.
> >Do you know of an url dedictated to the fighting of honor killings??
> >Selima > >(newbie)
> Maybe there is but I don't. > What I do know is that the Jordanian government now is trying to > legislate something against it after some terrible killing by fathers > and brothers lately in Jordan that somehow reached the ears of the > idiots of the UN, > So this is all I know but keep looking for it I am sure there is > something.
> However, even though it is not precisely about it, try this site and > take it from there:
I find it enlightening that you ask people to help fight honor killings and don't know of an url where they can take action. So it might be save to assume you are just attacking islam in general and not the honor killings. In case you have not noticed: honor killings existed in pre- islamic times. Therefore it simply can't be a quranic disease.
I did not find your url helpful at all. But thanks for replying anyway.
> (snip) >> >> >HONOR KILLING IS AN ARAB/ISLAMIC/QURANIC DISEASE THAT ONLY MEN >> >WANT IT
>> >> Admit it if you are honest and then go out and help opposing it
>> >> M.Z.
>> >Do you know of an url dedictated to the fighting of honor killings??
>> >Selima >> >(newbie)
>> Maybe there is but I don't. >> What I do know is that the Jordanian government now is trying to >> legislate something against it after some terrible killing by fathers >> and brothers lately in Jordan that somehow reached the ears of the >> idiots of the UN, >> So this is all I know but keep looking for it I am sure there is >> something.
>> However, even though it is not precisely about it, try this site and >> take it from there:
>I find it enlightening that you ask people to help fight honor killings and >don't know of an url where they can take action. So it might be save to >assume you are just attacking islam in general and not the honor killings. >In case you have not noticed: honor killings existed in pre- islamic times. >Therefore it simply can't be a quranic disease.
>I did not find your url helpful at all. But thanks for replying anyway.
>Selima
Where do you see me saying anything about islam ?
Who said it is a Quranic disease?
And if you talk about Pre-islamic times then it is so far back that today it really make no difference.
It is about what happen today, in Jordan, and I have read about it in the paper as I am not in Jordan.
Thanks for your interests, but not for your kind of reply!
