BASIC LOGIC THERE IS NO GOD
BIll M
There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
exist.
2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
prevent his flock from being deceived.
duke
>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
duke, American-American
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> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
>
> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>
At least his big toe actually exists.
spacegamer777
> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>
> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
> exist.
> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
God has already communicated to us about his wishes and commands thru
his son Jesus Christ. God also already told the people in the old
testament that he is the only God. He created the heavens, the earth
and you.
> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
> prevent his flock from being deceived.
How can anyone prove to you God exists when you already have your idea
of what he should be?
God Bless.
Geoff
Ergo, not a god.
BIll M
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
This is only evidence of your idiocy - nothing more!
BIll M
"spacegamer777" <spaceg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 27, 5:48 am, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>
>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
>
> God has already communicated to us about his wishes and commands thru
> his son Jesus Christ. God also already told the people in the old
> testament that he is the only God. He created the heavens, the earth
> and you.
And what is your objective verifiable evidence for this nonsensical claim???
>> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
>
> How can anyone prove to you God exists when you already have your idea
> of what he should be?
So, what is he???
> God Bless.
Rabbits foot.
thomas p.
"spacegamer777" <spaceg...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> On Feb 27, 5:48 am, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>
>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
>
> God has already communicated to us about his wishes and commands thru
> his son Jesus Christ.
That's what a story in a book says.
God also already told the people in the old
> testament that he is the only God. He created the heavens, the earth
> and you.
See above.
>
>
>> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
>
> How can anyone prove to you God exists when you already have your idea
> of what he should be?
Certainly not just by asserting there is such a thing.
thomas p.
"Michael" <news...@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
>
Feel free to explain why.
Uncle Vic
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 +0000, BIll M wrote:
> > exist.
>
> existence as *being* that very proof.
>
Even if we know we evolved from lower primates, and were not created
by a god?
--
Uncle Vic
2011
Thou
This only addresses our flesh and time. We do not yet definitively
know about 5th dimension and up. Yes we evolved, but it does not tell
us the entire story.
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>
>This is only evidence of your idiocy - nothing more!
Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
duke
He probably considers it divine to boot. Oops - pardon the pun.
Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:54 GMT, capt...@aol.com wrote:
> >duke wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
> >>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
> >> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>
> >At least his big toe actually exists.
>
> He probably considers it divine to boot. Oops - pardon the pun.
>
> duke, American-American
This God is just a Stub. Please feel free to expand on it.
Of course this now explains why everyone invokes gods when they kick
their big toe.
I reckon if we keep this up for another month we can have a well
developed mythology that's more believable than the Christian one.
Avoiding falsifiable claims seems to be the key to a good religion.
But then we'll end up with the scism between the Sandalers and the
Shoers.
In the end there'll just be an old Milligan telling everyone to stop,
and think for a while.
Al
Kenneth Doyle
Just because you can remain a pig-ignorant mouth-breather
despite all attempts at education, doesn't mean that other
people can't change their minds when presented with real
evidence. So, where's the evidence?
Mary
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:09:07 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>
>>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>
>>This is only evidence of your idiocy - nothing more!
>
> Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
>
You need to take some more anti-moron tablets. They don't seem to be
working.
Mary
"spacegamer777" <spaceg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>
>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
>
> God has already communicated to us about his wishes and commands thru
> his son Jesus Christ. God also already told the people in the old
> testament that he is the only God. He created the heavens, the earth
> and you.
Jesus was just some bloke. Live with it.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
>
>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
as usual, nothing duke says makes sense
> duke, brainwashed christian nutcase
Mary
"Thou" <mult...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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A christian that acknowleges the overwhelming proof of evolution? We're
getting somewhere. Now explain how this fits in with the 6 day creation,
the dinosaurs, carbon-dating, the heavens and earth, and the talking snake
which walked on all fours ......
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
"Mary" <mar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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LMAO Mary, good one.
duke is the king of the morons
Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)
> "spacegamer777" <spacegamer...@gmail.com> wrote in message
<Pedant>No, Jesus was just some myth built on prior myths. There may
or may not have been a historical figure who bore little resemblance
to the mythical jesus.</Pedant>
Al
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
If there ever was an historical Jesus.
John Locke
wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 +0000, BIll M wrote:
>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>
>Perhaps. However we have a circularity problem; we cannot rule out our own
>existence as *being* that very proof.
There is verifiable evidience that we are the end product clouds of
hydrogen gas. gravity and vast amounts of time. We are "star stuff" as
Carl Sagan would put it.
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
>So, you are defining REAL gods now. This is called a "Straw Man" argument
>and has no validity. However, since this scenario appears not to be
>happening, we can conclude something rather useless -- namely, that the
>kind of God you suppose exists does not actually exist.
A faulty and imperfect "God" as described in the Bible cannot exist
because that "God" would be fallible and incapable of creating
the universe and life. Any entity reduced to quibbling with a
woman over a stupid apple would have less effect then a an incantation
from an African witch doctor.
A perfect and all knowing "God" cannot exist, because we live in a
faulty, randomly generated, imperfect universe. If it had been created
a perfect "God", it would be totaly different environment. A real
nightmare, I would imagine.
The answer: Natural process !! It just takes time. Lots of time.
>> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
>You are defining REAL gods now. This is called a "Straw Man" argument and
>has no validity. However the scenario is useful in removing from the
>realm of possibilities this kind of God that you have described.
Since we have proven the non-existence of "God" in the above argument,
we have removed ANY kind of "God" from the realm of possiblities.
Enjoy and try to understand nature while you can.
"It is far better to grasp the Universe
as it really is than to persist in delusion,
however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
Pastor Frank
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that god(s) of atheist definition are sure not to exist.
DanielSan
Nice job relegating gods, especially those of the Bible, Koran, and so
forth to simple idolatry. I'm sure the Christians really love that.
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bob young
On 2/28/08 1:30 AM, in article
i7hxj.9705$5K1....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net, "cap...@aol.com"
<cap...@aol.com> wrote:
> duke wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>>
>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>
> At least his big toe actually exists.
Aaaaah ---- now there's a point.
A valid one instead of Dooks cute answers, which is all he has, poor guy.
bob
bob young
On 2/28/08 1:47 AM, in article
8cede631-86de-424e...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com,
"spacegamer777" <spaceg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 5:48 am, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>
>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
>
> God has already communicated to us about his wishes and commands thru
> his son Jesus Christ. God also already told the people in the old
> testament that he is the only God. He created the heavens, the earth
> and you.
Oh, so you completely reject the possibility that over two thousand years
ago, it was not a story put about by superstitious simple folks of the time?
And if your answer is '
No'
Then kindly prove why not.
>
>
>> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
>
> How can anyone prove to you God exists when you already have your idea
> of what he should be?
>
> God Bless.
>
bob young
On 2/28/08 3:02 AM, in article
47c5b3c5$0$2103$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk, "thomas p."
<gud...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> "spacegamer777" <spaceg...@gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:8cede631-86de-424e...@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 27, 5:48 am, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>
>>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>
>>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>>> exist.
>>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>>
>>
>> God has already communicated to us about his wishes and commands thru
>> his son Jesus Christ.
>
> That's what a story in a book says.
Right. One would think that a god who created everything would have a few
other means of communication other than one old book written at some unknown
time in the past?
But of course, religionists do not think, at least not outside of their box
bob young
On 2/28/08 5:36 AM, in article
9a6561b5-e787-481e...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "Thou"
<mult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
ROFL
>
thomas p.
"Michael" <news...@orneveien.org> skrev i en meddelelse
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> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 +0000, BIll M wrote:
>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>
> existence as *being* that very proof.
You can if you have any sense.
>
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
> So, you are defining REAL gods now. This is called a "Straw Man" argument
> and has no validity. However, since this scenario appears not to be
> happening, we can conclude something rather useless -- namely, that the
> kind of God you suppose exists does not actually exist.
The God as defined by Christians supposedly loves us and wants us to believe
in him, yet no objective evidence is provided for his existence. There
really is no rational reason to believe in that god.
>
>> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
> You are defining REAL gods now. This is called a "Straw Man" argument and
> has no validity. However the scenario is useful in removing from the
> realm of possibilities this kind of God that you have described.
And the kind of God described by Christians.
thomas p.
"Thou" <mult...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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And how is that evidence of any god?
Epi-Sode
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:54 GMT, cap...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>
>>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>>
>> At least his big toe actually exists.
>
> He probably considers it divine to boot. Oops - pardon the pun.
Fun-knee!
Perhaps duke is getting his humour hat back on!
JessHC
Michael wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:58:32 -0800, Uncle Vic wrote:
>
> >> > 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
> >> > exist.
> >>
> >> Perhaps. However we have a circularity problem; we cannot rule out our own
> >> existence as *being* that very proof.
> >>
> >
> > Even if we know we evolved from lower primates, and were not created
> > by a god?
>
> It is possible to define words in such a way that certain *kinds* of god
> are excluded. It is also possible to define words and gods in such a way
> that god is included in the overall process.
>
> It is even possible to define it in such a way as to be totally fantastic,
> but strictly speaking, still logical -- have you seen the movie "Dark
> City"? Quite remarkable. Almost everything is fake and real at the same
> time. The movie "Matrix" plays on the same idea; an idea that I held for
> a little while as a teenager with my first rush of thrill in religion.
> But I realized that some ideas cannot be held for long; the idea that god
> created fossils just to confuse us challenges his strict honesty in other
> areas.
>
> Therefore, fossils are what they seem to be, DNA is what it seems to be,
> evolution is what it seems to be; it challenges *some* orthodox views of
> God that obviously need challenging, but at the same time it does not (to
> me) destroy the existence or concept of god, or need for and benefit from
> same.
That some have a concept of "god," or a need, or benefit from, has
nothing to do with whether any deities exist; all of those situations
can occur in the absence of deities. Indeed, it seems obvious that's
exactly the arrangement now.
JessHC
Michael wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:54 +0000, captdan wrote:
>
> >> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
> >>
> > At least his big toe actually exists.
>
> What is the objective evidence of it? Has anyone here SEEN his big toe?
> If you did see it, how can you be sure it is not a hallucination? How can
> you be sure it is not a latex prosthetic?
>
> I'm amazing at how quickly any conversation deteriorates in this group.
Only because of your solipsistic sophistry.
And which group did you mean?
bob young
On 2/28/08 1:15 AM, in article 7l6bs3h4qdrn3no3l...@4ax.com,
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
How's it feel to make other people wanna vomit ?
Christian ? !!!
Pastor Frank
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> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 +0000, BIll M wrote:
>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>
> Perhaps. However we have a circularity problem; we cannot rule out our own
> existence as *being* that very proof.
>
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>
> So, you are defining REAL gods now. This is called a "Straw Man" argument
> and has no validity. However, since this scenario appears not to be
> happening, we can conclude something rather useless -- namely, that the
> kind of God you suppose exists does not actually exist.
>
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
> You are defining REAL gods now. This is called a "Straw Man" argument and
> has no validity. However the scenario is useful in removing from the
> realm of possibilities this kind of God that you have described.
>
object that exist and can be quantified. The word "God" however is not the
name of a material object but is Spirit, meaning a quality such as love,
care etc. etc. which indwells and imbues a person, as Christ clearly
specifies, and which Bill dismisses as an invalid definition, for the Christ
of the NT Bible speaks not from an original document from a known author.
See below
Pastor Frank
"GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
The word "God" is not a proper name but a title of a position of
whatever is your standard of virtue and ideal of perfection against
which you measure all behaviour. (Jesus in Matthew. 5:48)
I.e. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, Paul says that Satan is: "...the god (theos) of
this world", i.e. reality. And again in Philippians 3:19, Paul says there
are people: "...whose God (theos) is their belly", i.e. pleasure. Jesus
tells us in Jn:4:24 that His "GOD IS A SPIRIT", (i.e. akin to a quality of
attitude, like love and care which imbues a person), and "they that worship
him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Jesus explains further in John
14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no
man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have
known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM."
Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us."
Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak
not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes
in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
believes in me should not abide in darkness."
Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom of
God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
1Jn:4:8: He that LOVETH not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the LOVE that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in LOVE dwelleth in God, and God in him.
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one
another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have LOVE one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye LOVE one another,
as I have LOVED you. Greater LOVE hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Acts:17:28: For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most
secret thoughts.
Heb:1:8: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and
ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Geoff
> Pastor Frank said the following on 2/27/2008 1:58 PM:
>>>>>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>>>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>>> At least his big toe actually exists.
>>> Ergo, not a god.
>> False!!! Anything and/or anyone can be someone's god or devil.
>> It's just that god(s) of atheist definition are sure not to exist.
[piggybacking]
I don't make any claims about the nonexistence of gods (devils being among
them). I just don't beleive your claims for the existence of gods, toes or
otherwise.
> Nice job relegating gods, especially those of the Bible, Koran, and so
> forth to simple idolatry. I'm sure the Christians really love that.
Of course they do. Christians love idols. Mmmmm...Jesus toast!
http://www.blacktable.com/gillin041202.htm
BIll M
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duke
<alw...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>> >At least his big toe actually exists.
>> He probably considers it divine to boot. Oops - pardon the pun.
>This God is just a Stub. Please feel free to expand on it.
>Of course this now explains why everyone invokes gods when they kick
>their big toe.
>I reckon if we keep this up for another month we can have a well
>developed mythology that's more believable than the Christian one.
You're absolutely right about a well developed myth. God isn't a myth.
Ye Old One
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:02:42 -0800 (PST), "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
><alw...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>> >> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>> >At least his big toe actually exists.
>>> He probably considers it divine to boot. Oops - pardon the pun.
>
>>This God is just a Stub. Please feel free to expand on it.
>>Of course this now explains why everyone invokes gods when they kick
>>their big toe.
>
>>I reckon if we keep this up for another month we can have a well
>>developed mythology that's more believable than the Christian one.
>
>You're absolutely right about a well developed myth. God isn't a myth.
>
======
myth
n noun
1 a traditional story concerning the early history of a people
or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving
supernatural beings or events.
2 a widely held but false belief. Øa fictitious person or thing.
Øan exaggerated or idealized conception of a person or thing.
DERIVATIVES
mythic adjective
mythical adjective
mythically adverb
ORIGIN
C19 (earlier (C17) as mythic): from modern Latin mythus, via
late Latin from Greek muthos.
======
Yes, looks like god is a myth.
--
Bob.
Thou
> "Thou" <multib...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:9a6561b5-e787-481e...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I did not claim it to be evidence. I was just pointing out there
there is a lot about the world that we do not know. People used to
believe the sun revolved around the earth. Just because humanity
lacked the "evidence" to prove otherwise did not mean it was a correct
hypothesis. It is foolish to make a definitive argument on either
side of this argument because there is too much we don't know. By
choosing one side to defend, it sends out freaks like
christianscience.org to set up experiments stacked in the favor of
finding the answer that they want.
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
There's no "either side". Just believers who keep brining up their
doctrinal presumptions outside their religion with no justification
whatsoever.
Demands for evidence/proof/etc are because they beg questions. Which
they never answer, instead resorting to all sorts of dishonest copouts
which I doubt even fool them.
duke
>On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:56:19 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net>
>enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>>You're absolutely right about a well developed myth. God isn't a myth.
>Yes, looks like god is a myth.
What a boob you are.
BIll M
damaged adult!
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Gordon L. Richard
"BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>
>
>
> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
>
>
> exist.
> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
approximating individual sovereign will among us hominids?
BIll M
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:09:07 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>
>>
>
> Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
Are you just a child or do you have a serious intelligence problem???
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:22:50 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 10:56:19 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net>
>>enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>
>>>You're absolutely right about a well developed myth. God isn't a myth.
>
>>Yes, looks like god is a myth.
>
> What a boob you are.
hey duke, at least he doesn't believe the HORSESHIT RAMBLINGS of
superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers .
>
> duke, brainwashed christian moron
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
> If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
> damaged adult!
I think it's like Mary says, duke forgets to take his daily dose of
anti-moron pills
Pastor Frank
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>> >
>> > 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them
>> > actually
>> > exist.
>>
>> own
>> existence as *being* that very proof.
>
> by a god?
>
Religion holds, that reality and existence are not cast in stone, but are
relative as well, i.e. they could be illusions, much like a person living a
dream and only finding out is was a dream on waking up.
We hold, that on death to this life you will wake up in heaven or hell,
whichever you prefer and have been preparing for all your life.
Pastor Frank
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> spacegamer777 wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 5:48 am, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>
>>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>
>>> actually
>>> exist.
>>> wishes
>>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>>
>> testament that he is the only God. He created the heavens, the earth
>> and you.
>>
>>> to
>>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>>
>> of what he should be?
>
> attempts at education, doesn't mean that other people can't change their
> minds when presented with real evidence. So, where's the evidence?
>
"pig-ignorant mouth breather"? LOL It's safe to assume, not many manage
to live up to YOUR expectation. But then what you REALLY wanted to say is,
that you are better than others. Didn't you?
Ask Jesus to give you a life worth living.
Pastor Frank
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>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>
>
>> duke, brainwashed christian nutcase
>
So what are you blowjob? An atheist nutcase?
thomas p.
In that case being an atheist is the most rational position to take. Thank
you for pointing that out.
thomas p.
"Gordon L. Richard" <gord...@swbell.net> skrev i en meddelelse
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If your own father makes himself known to you does that weaken your
"individual soverign will" in any way?
Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)
No, you say religion is about love and assorted other spiritual crap.
But what we see is religion is about dogma, and twisting the ideas of
love etc.
And again with the falacy of proving a negative.
But even if we concede a mystical/spiritual existence, it bears no
relevance to your christian BS. Clearly the mythical christian BS is
about fear, hate, and guilt, wrapped up in pseudo-moralistic language
and attempting to claim responsibility for everything it's not
responsible, like love and peace.
Al
Pastor Frank
>
> Just more relgious/Biblical nonsense!
>
Just more atheist "nonsense". You are so convincing Bill. LOL
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:09:07 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:7l6bs3h4qdrn3no3l...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>>
>>>This is only evidence of your idiocy - nothing more!
>>
>> Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
>>
>
>You need to take some more anti-moron tablets. They don't seem to be
>working.
Have you met willie's big toe?
duke
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:cimbs3trrv0qhmu4s...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:09:07 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:7l6bs3h4qdrn3no3l...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Well, maybe you believe your left big toe is your god. Go for it.
>>>
>>>This is only evidence of your idiocy - nothing more!
>>
>> Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
>
>Are you just a child or do you have a serious intelligence problem???
I have a problem with you worshipping your left big toe.
duke
>If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
>damaged adult!
Gee, willie, I'm much too old to be only 10 years old, so my damaged brain is
still an overbearing challenge to yours.
Epi-Sode
Is it okay to worship my own right big toe then? ("right" of course)
Epi-Sode
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:38:49 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
>> damaged adult!
>
> Gee, willie, I'm much too old to be only 10 years old, so my damaged brain is
> still an overbearing challenge to yours.
Please remember, you have an IQ of 100,000,000 (remember, you said that
you were a million times more intelligent in a previous posting), so if
your brain is now damaged, what IQ did it have previously?
Pastor Frank
>
> If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
> damaged adult!
>
anymore? Looks like senile dementia to me.
DanielSan
Duke is not an atheist.
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* of the whole American people which declared that *
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BIll M
"Epi-Sode" <ph...@excite.com> wrote in message
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It is impossible to have an intelligent discourse with a moron like Duke!
>> duke, American-American
BIll M
No, you have a problem with your brain!
>
> duke, American-American
BIll M
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:38:49 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
>>damaged adult!
>
> Gee, willie, I'm much too old to be only 10 years old, so my damaged brain
> is
> still an overbearing challenge to yours.
In your damaged brains 'opinion'!
> duke, American-American
BIll M
"Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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A hopeful 'opinion' with NO objective verifiable evidence. Dream on!
BIll M
You obviouslly don't understand logic.
When there is NO objective verifiable evidence for somethings existence it
is logical to
believe it does not exist.
If you claim something exists the burden of proof is on you to supply the
objective verifiable
evidence.
Where is it Pastor???
DanielSan
> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
> news:2470c$47c780a0$d1d89a5d$27...@PRIMUS.CA...
>> "Uncle Vic" <vic...@inreach.com> wrote in message
>> news:98a38752-919d-462a...@41g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Feb 27, 11:01 am, Michael <newsus...@orneveien.org> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:48:28 +0000, BIll M wrote:
>>>>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them
>>>>> actually
>>>>> exist.
>>>> Perhaps. However we have a circularity problem; we cannot rule out our
>>>> own
>>>> existence as *being* that very proof.
>>> Even if we know we evolved from lower primates, and were not created
>>> by a god?
>>>
>> You dismiss the religious scenario without evidence, nor reason.
>> Religion holds, that reality and existence are not cast in stone, but are
>> relative as well, i.e. they could be illusions, much like a person living
>> a dream and only finding out is was a dream on waking up.
<piggybacking>
I believe that someone has watched the Matrix one too many times.
>> We hold, that on death to this life you will wake up in heaven or hell,
>> whichever you prefer and have been preparing for all your life.
Selfishness, then.
>
> A hopeful 'opinion' with NO objective verifiable evidence. Dream on!
>
Evidently, Roy believes himself to be Neo from the Matrix, trying to
"wake us all up".
duke
>>>> Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
>>>Are you just a child or do you have a serious intelligence problem???
>> I have a problem with you worshipping your left big toe.
>No, you have a problem with your brain!
But I don't worship my left big toe like you do.
duke
If it's the best god that you can morally find, go ahead.
duke
>>>If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
>>>damaged adult!
>> Gee, willie, I'm much too old to be only 10 years old, so my damaged brain
>> is still an overbearing challenge to yours.
>In your damaged brains 'opinion'!
That's what I said.
duke
>duke wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:38:49 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
>>> damaged adult!
>>
>> Gee, willie, I'm much too old to be only 10 years old, so my damaged brain is
>> still an overbearing challenge to yours.
>
>Please remember, you have an IQ of 100,000,000 (remember, you said that
>you were a million times more intelligent in a previous posting), so if
>your brain is now damaged, what IQ did it have previously?
100,000,000 is the damaged condition.
Gordon L. Richard
> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>
>
>
> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
>
>
> exist.
> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>
ideas as to how atoms could be fused/fisioned, but no one was able to
empirically prove that any of them were valid...until they learned more
about the physics involved. Learning is the key word, here.
If God did "communicate directly from his Heaven" none of us would have any
choice other than to go along with His agenda. That is, none of us would
have any sovereign will. We would, in effect, all be nothing more than God's
puppets. Do you think this is what God wants?
Lucifer had no one leading him when he first became curious about the
possibility and perhaps advantages of going a different way than following
God's will. Lucifer's curiosity overwhelmed him, and he was increasingly
motivated to explore this set of possibilities.
God could have deleted Lucifer, or limited his abilities in exploring these
matters, but that would not have resolved the problem. It would surely have
been only a matter of time before another being reached the same point and
that being would then have to have been eliminated or restricted. This
process would have continued until all of God's created beings were
eliminated or restricted. This would not permit any of us to have sovereign
will.
So, God chose to let Lucifer explore this realm and let us all go along with
Lucifer in the exploration/learning phase of our development. The first two
chapters of the book of Job gives an allegorical insight into this.
The bottom line is that we must/will all learn enough about sin and
rebellion to insure that none of us will ever want to go back and explore it
any further, once we've been granted immortality and absolute sovereignty.
At this level of our development we shall all do the exact will of God, not
because of being restricted or intimidated into complinace, but because we
will then have enough understanding to put us into a position where our
sovereign will shall be exactly and precisely the same as God's will.
Gordon
Thou
> In that case being an atheist is the most rational position to take. Thank
> you for pointing that out.
Only if the atheist goes as far as not believing in any god said to be
real by others. If the atheist takes the next step to definitively
say that there is no god, that is just as irrational as claiming god
exists.
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
Stupid bullshit.
Why is it so hard to grasp that all an atheist is, is somebody who
isn't theist?
Why is it so hard to grasp that even for the few atheists who simply
"believe" there is no god, it's in exactly the same vein as "there
ain't no Santa Claus"?
In your mind, is believing leprechauns exist, equivalent but opposite
to "believing" they don't?
Why should gods be any different?
What the majority of atheists who say there's no god, do is
unconsciously use Popperian falsifiability: there isn't one, pending
evidence that there is.
Which theists and agnostics apply to everything else anyway.
There is no symmetry between theism and atheism except in the deluded
fantasies of theists who can't think outside the box, and those
agnostics who have fallen for the theist's misrepresentation of
atheists.
However as a simple abstract logic exercise, most gods disprove
themselves because the theists who wipe their beliefs in our faces,
insist on mutually conflicting attributes, or attributes contradicted
by reality.
For example it doesn't matter what other attributes, claims etc they
make about it, anding it with zero by insisting it caused a flood that
never happened, reduces the whole thing to zero.
Logic, not faith.
Gordon L. Richard
"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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about my carnal, physical father, or my Heavenly father?
My own carnal father was far from almighty, and far from perfect. I did
disagree with him on numerous occasions, but I'm quite sure I could not in
any way justify disagreeing with God, face to face, or even behind his back,
if that were possible. Gordon
Gordon L. Richard
"Christopher A. Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:59:23 -0800 (PST), Thou <mult...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In that case being an atheist is the most rational position to take.
>>> Thank
>>> you for pointing that out.
>>
>>Only if the atheist goes as far as not believing in any god said to be
>>real by others. If the atheist takes the next step to definitively
>>say that there is no god, that is just as irrational as claiming god
>>exists.
>
> Stupid bullshit.
>
> Why is it so hard to grasp that all an atheist is, is somebody who
> isn't theist?
>
> Why is it so hard to grasp that even for the few atheists who simply
> "believe" there is no god, it's in exactly the same vein as "there
> ain't no Santa Claus"?
>
> In your mind, is believing leprechauns exist, equivalent but opposite
> to "believing" they don't?
>
all the star systems in the universe and found that leprechauns actually
don't exist....anywhere? Instead of "believing they exist" or "believing
they do not exist" shouldn't we just say we can not prove either.
Similarly, have you, or has anyone else fully explored and empirically
tested the hypothesis that God exists? If indeed such empirical testing
could be accomplished, would any of us then have anything approximating
sovereign will?
Is it rational to think that God is being evasive for the primary purpose of
allowing us to have a reasonable degree of sovereign will, so we can follow
Lucifer/Satan's process of exploring all the vagaries of sin and rebellion?
The biblical book of Job, chapters 1 & 2, seem to convey this idea in an
allegorical way. Gordon
Thou
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:59:23 -0800 (PST), Thou <multib...@yahoo.com>
Not bullshit. You just read into the statement and assumed that I
assumed the latter represented all or most atheists. I would say it
represents the vocal majority of atheists on discussion boards such as
these, however. Do you typically call things you agree with bullshit?
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>On Feb 29, 12:45 pm, Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
Do you typically lie by saying any kind of atheism requires faith?
Mary
<snip>
>>Is it okay to worship my own right big toe then? ("right" of course)
>
> If it's the best god that you can morally find, go ahead.
Better to worship a visible toe than a hypocritical, invisble entity thingy
that sits in the sky loving us all all the time as a bus load of children
crash into flames.
Better to worship a big toe than some daft, invisible thing that states if
you don't believe in him you will get eternal damnation.
Better to worship a big toe than an obect (invisible creator obJect that
tells people to sacrifice their son on a hilltop, apparently as some kind of
childish test).
Better to worship a big toe than a creator who destroys most of his creation
by flooding the whole world.
Better to worship a big toe than worshipping a leader who tells people thou
shalt not steal, but soon after that tells the Jews to steal the land of the
Philistines.
Better to worship a big toe than worshipping a monster who then tells people
to steal people's land, murder the occupants and then promise them the land
which will still be theirs 2 thousand years later, causing world unrest,
dis-ease - oh, and allows them to have nuclear weapons :-)
Better to worship a big toe than worship some thing that, apparently, told
George Bush to invade Iraq because there was weapons of mass destruction
there, but failed to tell him there was actually no weapons of mass
destruction there.
Better to worship a big toe than a father who allows his son to be
crucified, apparently to save the sins of some people. Apparently this
omnipotent genius wasn't smart enough to think of anything more satisfactory
than having his son @sacrificed@ on a cross.
I could go on if you want ... So stop fucking believing in invisible sky
fairies and get a life !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mary
BIll M
> "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kil...@killgod.com> wrote in message
> news:13sbsoc...@corp.supernews.com...
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>>>There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> duke, brainwashed christian nutcase
>>
> So what are you blowjob? An atheist nutcase?
Why are you Christians so nasty and why do you never supply objective
verifiable evidence to
support your beleifs and claims???
BIll M
"Gordon L. Richard" <gord...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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Your fictional desertation, like your God, makes no sense. Get a different
brand of Pot!
kvjvqvc
> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>
> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>
> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
> exist.
> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
> prevent his flock from being deceived.
Inapplicable to Deism (which proposes the creation of a clockwork
Universe which merely follows the instructions built into its
creation) and to PanDeism (which proposes that the creator becomes the
Universe, which merely follows the instructions built into its
creation).
thomas p.
"Thou" <mult...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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Which is not atheism but a position an individual holds who also happens to
be an atheist. Since atheism is merely lack of belief in any god, my point
still stands.
thomas p.
It does not represent the majority of atheists who post to alt.atheism.
Even if it did it would be something in addition to their atheism. Even if
it were true it would be just as relevant as saying that most atheists
posting to alt.atheism are Americans.
thomas p.
The analogy holds. Your father makes himself known to you. You now know
that he exists. God makes himself known to you. You now know that he
exists. How does either event lessen your "individual soverignty"? In
short how does knowing anything is true lessen it?
thomas p.
>
> "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Svgxj.81133$vt2....@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> Basic evidence that no Gods exist except in peoples imaginations.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are literally hundreds of different God beliefs.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.. There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any of them actually
>> exist.
>> 2.. Any REAL God would communicate directly from his Heaven, his wishes
>> and commands and that he is the REAL God and all the others are fakes.
>> 3.. If there was a REAL God he would smite and destroy all the fakes to
>> prevent his flock from being deceived.
>>
> In the early 1900s time frame there were "literally hundreds" of different
> ideas as to how atoms could be fused/fisioned, but no one was able to
> empirically prove that any of them were valid...until they learned more
> about the physics involved. Learning is the key word, here.
>
> If God did "communicate directly from his Heaven" none of us would have
> any choice other than to go along with His agenda. That is, none of us
> would have any sovereign will. We would, in effect, all be nothing more
> than God's puppets. Do you think this is what God wants?
Why do you think that knowing something is true takes away your free will?
snip
Epi-Sode
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:41:08 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> Well, you believe your left big toe is a god. Don't blame me.
>>>> Are you just a child or do you have a serious intelligence problem???
>>> I have a problem with you worshipping your left big toe.
>
>> No, you have a problem with your brain!
>
> But I don't worship my left big toe like you do.
Teehee!
Epi-Sode
Teehee!
Epi-Sode
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:52:59 +0900, Epi-Sode <ph...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:38:49 -0000, "BIll M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If one reads Dukes posts, he is obviouslly either a 10 year old or a brain
>>>> damaged adult!
>>> Gee, willie, I'm much too old to be only 10 years old, so my damaged brain is
>>> still an overbearing challenge to yours.
>> Please remember, you have an IQ of 100,000,000 (remember, you said that
>> you were a million times more intelligent in a previous posting), so if
>> your brain is now damaged, what IQ did it have previously?
>
> 100,000,000 is the damaged condition.
So you are yourself damaged! Teehee!
duke
>>>Is it okay to worship my own right big toe then? ("right" of course)
>> If it's the best god that you can morally find, go ahead.
>Better to worship a visible toe than a hypocritical, invisble entity thingy
>that sits in the sky loving us all all the time as a bus load of children
>crash into flames.
Will your big toe offer you eternal salvation?
BIll M
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Duh??? Your opinion is noted.
Pastor Frank
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to tell us finally that "logic" is your god or devil. Tsk, tsk!!!!
Pastor Frank
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord
and Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see manifestations of
love and care in human beings, such as in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
Pastor Frank
divinity up there in the sky, which doesn't exist. You don't even notice,
that no one disputes you. Are you senile, Bill?
Pastor Frank
Pastor Frank
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