MYTHS
robert
Is there anyone out there that can provide 'objective verifiable evidence'
that ANY real Gods exist???
Religion is things hoped for but not yet seen or proven. Science is things
seen and proven but not necessarily hoped for.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence that any Gods, Heavens, Sin,
Hells, Devils or Angels exist except in the over active imaginations of
religionists. These beliefs are resolutely held to help people deal with
their panic fear of death and what comes after.
The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the opposite;
that man created imaginary gods! (thousands of them!)
Why would any REAL God permit his creations to be misled and deceived by
hundreds of false Gods?
Why would any REAL God allow so many false Gods to exist?
Why would any REAL God stay in hiding from his flock?
Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
all you can say about it.
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Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
Preventer of Work
The Flying Spagetti Monster acts in mysterious ways.
Michael Gray
<boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>There is no God. The bible is Jewish fairy tales. Superstitious lies is
>all you can say about it.
Not at all.
It has inspired great works of genocide and conflict.
Pastor Frank
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>
> There is no God. The bible is Jewish fairy tales. Superstitious lies is
> all you can say about it.
>
you. But you should prove your contention academically in peer review
journals etc, and you could become rich and famous.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
.......a good many atheistic authors have indeed become rich and famous.
Dawkins for one.
We do not have to show your god is false, all we have to do is laugh at you
folks claiming " it is there"
Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?
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Pastor Frank
possess a number of perfectly good existing gods, and all are for sale. They
are works of art and have been venerated, prayed to, made offerings to, and
though none were able to lift one wooden finger for their believers, their
adherents considered them bona fide gods regardless.
Steve Hayes
high time that we stopped identifying myth with invention,
with the illusions of primitive mentality, and with anything,
in fact, which is essentially opposed to reality... The
creation of myths among peoples denotes a real spiritual life,
more real indeed than that of abstract concepts and rational
thought. Myth is always concrete and expresses life better
than abstract thought can do; its nature is bound up with that
of symbol. Myth is the concrete recital of events and original
phenomena of the spiritual life symbolized in the natural
world, which has engraved itself on the language memory and
creative energy of the people... it brings two worlds together
symbolically.
-- Nicolas Berdyaev
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?" <boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> message news:47f8c656$0$6497$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> "Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?" <boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote in
> >> message news:47f7e72b$0$12585$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >>>
> >>> There is no God. The bible is Jewish fairy tales. Superstitious lies is
> >>> all you can say about it.
> >>> Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
> >>
> >> You are wasting you time, if not life telling us that, for we ignore
> >> you. But you should prove your contention academically in peer review
> >> journals etc, and you could become rich and famous.
> >
> > You don't have to prove a non-existence.
> > Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
> >
> In that case you don't mind me calling you a liar, for I personally
> possess a number of perfectly good existing gods, and all are for sale.
You refer here to 'trinkets', rather akin to your postings.
Of course trinkets exist, man manufactures them he always has, rather like he
dreams up gods.
Man is a creative mammal
The divine deity or god that does miracles and saves people DOES NOT EXIST
outside of the imaginations of people like you.
Tom Snyder
texts and they have found the archeological evidence. Also, the historical
record of the rise and fall of empires and the rise of the Church based on
those texts supports the texts and the archeology.
By the same token, atheism and scientific naturalism have been unable to
show why the Basic Laws of Logic can be trusted to produce scientific truth
without appealing to a Creator God, or Rational Divine Mind, who is the
ultimate origin of the physical universe, including the brain/mind of man.
Only one conclusion makes sense -- God does indeed exist and those who know
Jesus Christ can know the Heart and Mind of God! The Laws of Logic stem from
God's character and God established natural order in the universe.
Therefore, rational science is able to discover that natural order and apply
its discoveries to improve human life, under God's moral laws and perfect
will.
ts
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dieHard
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>Christianity has been historically verified. They have found the biblical
>texts and they have found the archeological evidence. Also, the historical
>record of the rise and fall of empires and the rise of the Church based on
>those texts supports the texts and the archeology.
>
>By the same token, atheism and scientific naturalism have been unable to
>show why the Basic Laws of Logic can be trusted to produce scientific truth
>without appealing to a Creator God, or Rational Divine Mind, who is the
>ultimate origin of the physical universe, including the brain/mind of man.
>
>Only one conclusion makes sense -- God does indeed exist and those who know
>Jesus Christ can know the Heart and Mind of God! The Laws of Logic stem from
>God's character and God established natural order in the universe.
>Therefore, rational science is able to discover that natural order and apply
>its discoveries to improve human life, under God's moral laws and perfect
>will.
>
>ts
you, like all the rest have been proven wrong.
here's your "proof" http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm
watch this then tell me there's an imaginary man up in the sky...
bob young
Tom Snyder wrote:
> Christianity has been historically verified.
Yes as a man made beleif system
> They have found the biblical
> texts and they have found the archeological evidence.
Show with proof
> Also, the historical
> record of the rise and fall of empires and the rise of the Church based on
> those texts supports the texts and the archeology.
nonsense
>
>
> By the same token, atheism and scientific naturalism have been unable to
> show why the Basic Laws of Logic can be trusted to produce scientific truth
> without appealing to a Creator God, or Rational Divine Mind, who is the
> ultimate origin of the physical universe, including the brain/mind of man.
of course since the god you mention does not exist
>
>
> Only one conclusion makes sense -- God does indeed exist and those who know
> Jesus Christ can know the Heart and Mind of God!
So you will now explain why, in the time of Moses 'He' was thought to be 'just
above the clouds' - where we now fly commercial jet aircraft and why the clergy
no longer make such silly cliams about the location of 'god' and its 'heaven'
because they know that people have, to some extent, are a little more
intelligent when compared to the primitive desert dweller who invented the
whole catalogue of stories in the first place !
> The Laws of Logic stem from
> God's character and God established natural order in the universe.
> Therefore, rational science is able to discover that natural order and apply
> its discoveries to improve human life, under God's moral laws and perfect
> will.
Gobbledeegook
Pastor Frank
>> "Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?" <boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote in
>> message news:47f8c656$0$6497$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> > Pastor Frank wrote:
>> >> "Blattus Slafaly 0/00 ? ? ?" <boobooil...@roadrunner.com> wrote
>> >> in
>> >> message news:47f7e72b$0$12585$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> There is no God. The bible is Jewish fairy tales. Superstitious lies
>> >>> is
>> >>> all you can say about it.
>> >>> Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
>> >>
>> >> You are wasting you time, if not life telling us that, for we
>> >> ignore
>> >> you. But you should prove your contention academically in peer review
>> >> journals etc, and you could become rich and famous.
>> >
>> > You don't have to prove a non-existence.
>> > Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8
>> >
>> In that case you don't mind me calling you a liar, for I personally
>> possess a number of perfectly good existing gods, and all are for sale.
>> to, and though none were able to lift one wooden finger for their
>> believers,
>> their adherents considered them bona fide gods regardless.
> >
>
> Of course trinkets exist, man manufactures them he always has, rather like
> he
> dreams up gods.
>
for they are "trinkets"? I always knew, your gods are just your very own
personal and private idée fixe and definitely do not exist, except of course
in your imagination.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> personal and private idιe fixe and definitely do not exist, except of course
> in your imagination.
Unlike you I think for myself so I do not have gods of any kind that can be
verified as real gods.
I am, at the same time, very well aware that 'man' has produced a plethora of
gods with the priests to go alongside over the years. Man will never change,
he must have something imaginary to lean on
But you are welcome to try yourself to prove your 'real' [smile] god, anytime.
[anything would be preferable to posting silly repetitive jargon all the time]
Pastor Frank
>> in your imagination.
>
> Unlike you I think for myself so I do not have gods of any kind that can
> be
> verified as real gods.
>
and not so "real" ones? LOL You are talking yourself into a muddle Bob.
Admit you have no idea how to tell one from another and that you are
apparently not capable of such a feat.
Mike Painter
<snip>
> Are you sure you are an atheist making distinctions between "real
> gods" and not so "real" ones? LOL You are talking yourself into a
> muddle Bob. Admit you have no idea how to tell one from another and
> that you are apparently not capable of such a feat.
>
is or can be a god to this man.
There is no real God as defined in Christianity or even the tree god found
in some primitive religion.
If it's most important to you it *is* a god.
PF is an atheist who calls himself a christian - and most christians let him
get away with it.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> personal and private idιe fixe and definitely do not exist, except of
> >> course
> >> in your imagination.
> >
> > Unlike you I think for myself so I do not have gods of any kind that can
> > be
> > verified as real gods.
> >
> Are you sure you are an atheist making distinctions between "real gods"
> and not so "real" ones? LOL You are talking yourself into a muddle Bob.
> Admit you have no idea how to tell one from another and that you are
> apparently not capable of such a feat.
go away you blithering idiot
bob young
Mike Painter wrote:
Please do not suggest for one moment that that fool is one of us.
That many Christians really do not know which particular branch of the belief
they belong to is well known, being exactly what one would expect from
something created by many many different humans over many many epochs.
Atheists are simply those that reject all gods. Frank has no idea what his god
is, but he still sticks with it, hence the idiot' label. His great great
grandpa was taught that god was 'just above the clouds'. Science has since
trashed that silly notion, so now they struggle to find alternatives, some of
which are too rediculous for words, and none can be verified.
so 'No Please keep PF firmly in your camp."
Mike Painter
Frank's gods can be verified because of his definition of a god, one which
he claims is christian.
"What or whom I choose to be my God is my business. God simply means,that
quality which is most important in my life. Whether you believe it or not,
you already have your own god(s) and devils besetting you. "
So if finding a bathroom or getting laid is at some moment the most
important thing in his life, that is (his) god.
So Frank believes in one or more (" Yes. There are innumerable gods, both
concrete and abstract ones. It's just, that atheist don't like to think nor
study to be able to make an intelligent choice.") gods at some times and
none when he is asleep.
His god is so far removed from what others believe that he approaches
atheism.
Reaading that over maybe your right. But we have avowed atheists in this
group that I'd trade Frank for.
Pastor Frank
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pristine Christian NGs.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
The Bible says Jesus was resurrected from the dead and then rose
to sit on the right hand of God the Father in heaven.
You more recently claim god is simply love.
DIRECT contradiction
Carry on struggling Frank whilst I enjoy a partial 'Frank' holiday
Mike Painter
Odd that nobody in your pristine christian newsgroup has ever come to your
defense.
Every once in a while when I bring this up and point out that their silence
could imply agrement somebody will respond and say you are on your own.
However The ten commandments don't say that whatever you like is your god
and your christ talked of his father in heaven, not a suction pump.
Pastor Frank
>> >> course
>> >> in your imagination.
>> >
>> > Unlike you I think for myself so I do not have gods of any kind that
>> > can
>> > be
>> > verified as real gods.
>> >
>> Are you sure you are an atheist making distinctions between "real
>> gods"
>> and not so "real" ones? LOL You are talking yourself into a muddle Bob.
>> Admit you have no idea how to tell one from another and that you are
>> apparently not capable of such a feat.
>
> go away you blithering idiot
>
Pastor Frank
and need people to back you up. My backup is the one and only authoritative
source for Christianity, the NT Bible, and that is why I quote Christ in
particular. Who do you quote but your own irrelevant self?
Mike Painter
>>
>> Odd that nobody in your pristine christian newsgroup has ever come
>> to your defense.
>> Every once in a while when I bring this up and point out that their
>> silence could imply agrement somebody will respond and say you are
>> on your own.
>> However The ten commandments don't say that whatever you like is
>> your god and your christ talked of his father in heaven, not a
>> suction pump.
> Nobody in our Christian News groups argues with the Bible, only
> YOU do and need people to back you up. My backup is the one and only
> authoritative source for Christianity, the NT Bible, and that is why
> I quote Christ in particular. Who do you quote but your own
> irrelevant self?
Sorry Frank, but I quote you, not myself and there are no major religions
that have your concept of a god.
I would venture a guess that no christian religion has such a view.
Certainly no one but you has expressed it here or T.O. or free.Christians.
To any interested person who calls themselves a Christian.
Do you believe that "anything" can be a god?
Pastor Frank does and has stateed this is *the* christian viewpoint and has
used Christ himself as a reference.
"What or whom I choose to be my God is my business. God simply means,that
quality which is most important in my life. Whether you believe it or not,
you already have your own god(s) and devils besetting you. "
"Biblical claims are ONLY valid within the parameter of Biblical philosophy.
Every philosophy is only valid within the parameter set by its
author."8/18/01
2/10/6
"Religion is a matter of having a sound philosophy of life and not
everyone understands philosophy, especially one both ancient and foreign."
rogue
If God is a fantasy, then anything can be god.
A deity by it's nature is supernatural and more than man, more than
human. Therefore, a flower, for example, couldn't be god.
Mike Painter
Frank's statement allows a quality of the flower to be the god.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
You 'claim' you god is simply just 'love' but your book claims your love god
fathered a son from a place your book calls heaven.
Trying to use the bible to show anything means you will hardly get out of the
starter's gate before falling flat on your face.
Genesis 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
Genesis 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
Genesis 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
Genesis 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
Genesis 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
Genesis 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
Genesis 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
Mike Painter
<snip>
> Genesis 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
> Genesis 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
>
In the x rated version we learn that woman was created only after Adam
could not find a (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) helpmeet.
curmudgeon
"There are no enemies in science just anomalies"
*CUR*
bob young
Mike Painter wrote:
Hee Hee