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From: Nuvoa...@AOL.com (Nuvoadam)
Date: 16 Sep 2003 18:30:17 -0700
Local: Tues, Sep 16 2003 9:30 pm
Subject: The One and The All
Transcendentalists claim that we each of us are the Universe inside of
ourselves.  The connectivity is brokered through meditative
contemplation and a successful taming of ones ego/desire.  One who had
connected to the Unity found it hard to relate the quickening of
Samadhi to others.  Whitman and Thoreau became Transcendentalists who
tried very hard.

Whitman announced in the "Son of Myself":

"Divine am I inside and out, and I make holy whatever I touch or am
touched from."

Thoreau once referred to a "Hindoo" book thusly:  "So the Soul, from
the circumstances in which it is placed, mistakes its own character,
until the truth is revealed to it by some holy teacher, and then it
knows itself to be Brahma (God)."

You are the part of the Demiurge.  You have not been born yet to true
Gnosis of what and who you are. When you close your eyes you too see
the 'dark cloud of ignorance' in which you live.

 "Your light has been hidden within a dark cloud..."   (Jesus in The
Book of Thomas)

"We must begin by discriminating between that which is and never
becomes, and that which is always becoming and which never is."
(Plato)
"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons,
knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside!"    
 (Jelaluddin Rumi)

"Remember what you have heard, and TRACE YOUR ROOT."
(Jesus in the Secret Book of John)

"Whoever finds self is worth more than the world."                    
   (Jesus in The Gospel of Thomas)

 "I went in search of myself"  (Heraclitus)

 "Man as he now is has ceased to be the All. But when he ceases to be
a seperate individual, he raises himself again and permeates the
universe."  (Plotinus)

"...examine yourself and understand who you are how you live and what
will become of you."  (Jesus in The Book of Thomas)

"Even if you travel everywhere you will not find the limits of the
soul, so great is its nature." (Heraclitus)

"You are a fragment torn from God.  You have a portion of Him within
you."         (Epictetus)

"The warmth of life in every human being is immortal.  It sees, hears,
and knows all that is and all that will be."    (Hippocrates)

"Man as he now is has ceased to be the All. But when he ceases to be a
separate individual, he raises himself again and permeates the
universe."  (Plotinus)
"The One is God."   (Xenophanes)

"I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being
dissolved, both the earthly things and the heavenly."  (Gospel
According to Mary Magdalene)

Mary is not saying that the All is going to be dissolved because of a
huge confrontation with the Demiurge as you believe.  She has already
indicated the nature of this dissolution.  However Jesus gives notice
that he is not in complete agreement with her. In answer to the
beginning of the extant texts question: . . . "Will matter then be
destroyed or not?"  Jesus answers:

(snip)

"The Savior said, All nature, all formations, all creatures exist in
and with one another, and they will be resolved again into their own
roots.  For the nature of matter is resolved into the roots of its own
nature alone."

Mary has explains this world destruction in a metaphorical way:

(snip)

16) I was bound, though I have not bound.
17) I was not recognized. But I have recognized that the All is being
dissolved, both the earthly things and the heavenly.
18) When the soul had overcome the third power, it went upwards and
saw the fourth power, which took seven forms.
19) The first form is darkness, the second desire, the third
ignorance, the fourth is the excitement of death, the fifth is the
kingdom of the flesh, the sixth is the foolish wisdom of flesh, the
seventh is the wrathful wisdom. These are the seven powers of wrath.
20) They asked the soul, Whence do you come slayer of men, or where
are you going, conqueror of space?
21) The soul answered and said, What binds me has been slain, and what
turns me about has been overcome,
22) and my desire has been ended, and ignorance has died.
23) In a aeon I was released from a world, and in a Type from a type,
and from the fetter of oblivion which is transient.
24) From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the
season, of the aeon, in silence.
(end snip)

She is saying that with meditation, the soul will have to face its
Karmic debts by passing through the 7 Chakra Gates guarded by the
Archons.  Her "ignorance has died" during meditation, and with it the
veil of duality is pierced-- she has dissolved the world and entered
the spiritual realm.  The Demiurgic world wansn't really destroyed.
She is no longer here as opposed to there, but both here and there.
She is now one with the Demiurge and everything else in every
dimension, creation and all imaginable manner of Nirvana's.

She is in the supra Nirvana (silence):   "From this time on will I
attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in
silence." and is called by her soul as a "conqueror of space" and a
"slayer of men".  Why?  Because through successful meditation comes
the taming of her ignorant ego-mind. "What binds me has been slain,
and what turns me about has been overcome, and my desire has been
ended, and ignorance has died."  What happens after this?  "I was
released from a world, and in a Type from a type, and from the fetter
of oblivion which is transient."

She was "released" from the World of the Demiurge. It wasn't
destroyed, she merely broke the chains of desire, and ended her
ignorance.  This most certainly includes any distinction between a
material world created by an evil Cosmocrator as being somehow
seperated from the spiritual realm.  Only her "ignorance" has made her
see a dualistic seperation in the first place.  Jesus would say "My
fathers Kingdom is already spread out upon this Earth, only you don't
see it."  What else does Jesus say?

From a work titled "The Gospel of Jesus":

http://www.das-wort.com/english/books/dimw/s007en-k66.html

(snip)

"All substance is in God, and all powers of the All are in the One,
God."
"And one said to Him, "Master, when will the Kingdom of God come?" And
He answered, saying, "When that which is without will be as that which
is within, and that which is within will be as that which is without,
and the male and the female neither male nor female, but the two in
one. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear." (Chap. 66:12-13)"

The Essenes, or Naaseni (Hippolytus: R.H. 5.1) held Mary to be part of
the Masshiach, and the teaching attributed to her were peppered with
the same key-words used by the Pagaon Philosophers.

http://essenes.crosswinds.net/subindex9.htm

(snip)

"She is constantly called the blessed one, the one who knows the all"
On the All and the One:

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/unforgivable.html

"C.S. Lewis descibes that tearing apart or disunity in his powerful
book The Great Divorce
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/greatdivorce.html>. He
pictures hell as a place where its residents keep moving out of their
single unit dwellings so they can get further away from each other.
The principle of Satan--of hell itself--is division, disunity,
throwing apart."

(snip)

"At the Last Supper he prayed, "May the all be one; even as thou,
Father, art in me and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that
the world may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 17:21 RSV
translation.)"

(snip)

"Jesus cannot be devil-possessed and at the same time cast out devils.
Still, there is something more here. Satan really is the master of
division, disunity. Our word devil or diabolical, like the Spanish
"diablo" comes from the Greek, diabollein which means to throw across
or tear apart. Satan is the destoyer of unity. "

Recall that in the Ascension of Isaiah Belial is depicted as coming in
bodily form.  The Essenes called themselves as the "Sons of
Righteousness" who followed a god named Melchizedek, and their foes as
the "Sons of Darkness" who followed Melchiresah (King of Darkness).

Remember the words of the Sophia of Jesus the Christ:

"For where the mind is, there is the treasure.' I said to him, 'Lord,
now does he who sees the vision see it through the soul or through the
spirit?' Jesus answered and said, 'He does not see through the soul
nor through the spirit, but the mind which is between the two, that is
what he sees the vision with. The soul serves you as a garment, though
you do not know it.'

" 'Once the soul was questioned by Ignorance, who questioned the soul,
saying, "Where are you going? In wickedness are you bound, but you are
bound so do not judge!" And the soul said, "Why do you judge me
although I have not judged? I was bound, though I have not bound. I
was not recognized, but I have recognized that the All is being
dissolved, both the earthly things and the heavenly.'When the soul had
overcome Ignorance, it went upwards and saw" (the Seven Gates of the
Ego-Chakras,  etc).

From the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus:

http://www.godserver.com/aquariangospel/ch10.shtml

(snip)

28) But you must know that words are naught till they are made alive;
until the lessons they contain become a part of head and heart.
29) Now truth is one; but no one knows the truth until he is the
truth. It is recorded in an ancient book.
30) Truth is the leavening power of God; it can transmute the all of
life into itself; and when the all of life is truth, then man is
truth.
(end snip)

From the Dialogue of the Savior:

http://reluctant-messenger.com/dialogue-of-the-savior.htm

"Judas said to Matthew, 'We want to understand the sort of garments we
are to be clothed with when we depart the decay of the flesh.'"

These are the same Garments spoken of by Mary in the Gospel according
to Mary Magdalene.  It is the Soul which we are putting on.

"The sum of all that is has a soul.  God is the mind of the universe."
 (Thales)

Jesus replies to Judas' concerns:

"The Lord said, "The governors and the administrators possess garments
granted only for a time, which do not last. But you, as children of
truth, not with these transitory garments are you to clothe ourselves.
Rather, I say to you that you will become blessed when you strip
yourselves! For it is no great thing [...] outside." "

Judas then asks Jesus about meditation, but Mary argues with Jesus
about whether the material creation ever dissolved just because they
can successfully meditate and make the illusion of duality disappear.

Judas said, "You have told us this out of the mind of truth. When we
pray, how should we pray?"

The Lord said, "Pray in the place where there is no woman."
Matthew said, "'Pray in the place where there is no woman,' he tells
us, meaning 'Destroy the works of womanhood,' not because there is any
other manner of birth, but because they will cease giving birth."
Mary said, "They will never be obliterated."
The Lord said, "Who knows that they will not dissolve and ... [2 lines
missing]?"

See, Mary did not believe that the "works of womanhood" would ever
truly be destroyed. That is to say, she did not believe that the
material world ruled by desire and also "The governors and the
administrators" will dissolve so much as the meditator's perception of
it will.  The rulers " possess garments (material bodies) granted only
for a time, which do not last."

See, Mary was telling Jesus that he was wrong, and that the feeling
that the material dimension had been "obliterated" was only another
illusion, like a child who plays hide and seek by covering up its own
eyes.

Jesus responds first with a shrug "who knows that they will not
dissolve?" and then goes on to tell Judas that he thinks that there
really will be an end.

However, Jesus and Mary both knew something very intuitevely.  They
knew that the concept of "the All" and "the One" denoted complete and
total Samadhi-like Unity, a concept which ultimately brooks no
seperation and especially no punishment lasting for an infinite amount
of time.  Later in the Dialogue they syncopate their conflicting
messages by agreeing that when one enters into the spiritual realm
there is a sort of "dissolve"-ing.

Jesus states that it is difficult even for him to reach the heights of
the Father, and the Governor over the material realm cannot reach it:
"But you are even more aware of the path, this one, before either
angel or authority has [...] Rather, it belongs to the Father and the
Son, because they are both a single [...]. And you will go via the
path which you have known. Even if the governors become huge, they
will not be able to reach it. But listen - I tell you that it is
difficult even for me to reach it!"

Jesus then relates to Judas that the doors on this path can only be
traversed by forgiveness, and advises him to "strip off" his
(ego-ignorance-shame-anger-sadness-suffering) & (material-body):

"Judas said, "Who forgives the works of whom? The works which [...]
the cosmos [...] who forgives the works."

The Lord said, "Who [...]? It behooves whoever has understood the
works to do the will of the Father. And as for you, strive to rid
yourselves of anger and jealousy, and to strip yourselves of your"
(ego/body/ignorance).

This certainly means forgiving the Demiurge, the Cosmocrator, the
Governor or (____).  You can't get out of hear unless you let go of
all distinctions between self and other.  The doors of distinction are
barred with disease, even towards a Creative Demiurge.

Jesus in The Gospel of Thomas:

http://irupert.com/nagham/gospel.htm

(snip)

"It is I who am the light which transcends all others. It is I who am
from the All. Out from Me the All flows outward, and into Me does All
extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up a stone, and
there you will find Me. "

(snip)

"He said, "You as well, seek a place within the quiet and the
stillness for yourselves lest you become dead meat and be consumed."
(translation: meditate in a quite place)

Jesus said. "Two will be laid down to rest: one will die, and one will
live." (translation: you will lay down to meditate, your body shall
lay there dead, but your Nous will rise up)

"You are a soul carrying about a corpse" (Epictetus)

Salome said, "Who are You, Man, that You , as if from the One, you
have sat yourself upon my sofa and have partaken of my table?"
Jesus said, "I am He, who is United. I have inherited some of the
qualities of My Father."
Salome said,"I am your disciple."
Jesus said,"Therefore I say, if he is United, he will be illuminated,
but if he is divided, he will be filled with darkness."
Jesus said, "It is to those who can understand the secret truths that
I choose to reveal my secrets to. Do not let your left hand, know what
your right hand is doing." (translation: meditate in complete
darkness).

Jesus was wary of they who controlled  this world.  Usually rather
than YHWH he referred to Satan, Baal or Belial when speaking of the
Govnernor.  Interesting that the Great Seth could reverse the roles
and make the Logos and his Father out to be the ones confining us to
bodies.  I guess we just forgive them all and go see what's what,
where's where and who's who.

Mary would reign Jesus in and remind him that they were All-in-All,
and united in the One.  This includes the "works of woman" aka the
material realm which will always have a Governor of some sort, who
will always be blamed for keeping us in ignorance.  But the real
bondage is to another being, it is to the idea that we are not
connected with everything else in the first place.

(snip)

"Jesus said, "That which you possess within yourself will save you. If
you use it. That which is lacking from within yourself, will destroy
you. If you cannot find it within yourself."  (translation: you must
meditate to find the path out of duality)

Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be able to
rebuild it."  (translation: he will teach us how to meditate and break
the bonds to death)

"A man said to Him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's property
and share it with me. He said to him, "O man, who has mad me out to be
a divider? He turned to his disciples and said, "I am not a divider,
am I?" "

<<Moggin>>, when you reveal your disease towards the Demiurge, Jesus
would say:
Jesus said, "Whosoever believes that the Everything is lacking, are
themselves lacking in everything." (You cannot believe seperation from
anything within the All is a good thing, or you cannot truly be united
with the All as the One)

Jesus said, "Blessed are those that are hated and persecuted. Whosever
has persecuted you, shall have no Place in the Kingdom"  (Others have
hated you, which is bad.  You hate others, which is also bad because,
until you can forgive everyone, you will not truly be forgiven.  The
Chakra Gates will remain barred.)

What is the One?  

"The One is God"  (Xenophanes)

"If you see things as they ae here and now, you have seen everything
that has happened from all of eternity.  All things are an
interrelated Oneness."  (Marcus Arelius)

"We always revolve about the One, but we do not always pay attention
to it.  Like a chorus singing harmoniously around its conductor
becomes discordant when it turns away from him, but sings beautfifully
when turned inward and fully attentive -- we similarly revolve around
the Oneness of God, but do not always look to him.  Yet when we do, we
find our home and resting place.  Around him we dance the true dance;
God-inspired and no longer dissonant."  (Plotinus)

"Blessed is the wise person who seeks truth. When one finds it, one
rests upon it forever, and is not afraid of those who want to disturb
one."  (Jesus: The Book of Thomas)

"If a man gives way to all his desires, or panders to them, there will
be no inner struggle in him, no friction, no fire. But if, for the
sake of attaining a DEFINITE AIM (my emphasis), he struggles with the
desires that hinder him--- he will then create a fire which will
gradually transform his inner world into a SINGLE WHOLE." (Ouspensky:
In Search of the Miraculous)

"IT is too great to be called by the name 'God'. IT is hidden, yet
obvious everywhere. IT is bodiless, yet embodied in everything. There
is nothing that IT is not. IT has no name, because all names are IT's
name. IT is the unity in all things, so we must know IT by all names
and call everything 'God'."  (Hermes Trismegistus -- IT substituted
for HE)

"The ONE is a sovereign that has nothing over IT.  IT is God and
Father of all--the Invisible ONE that is over ALL, that is
imperishable, that is pure light no eye can see.
IT is invisible Spirit. One should not think of IT as a god, or like a
god. For it is greater than a god, because it has nothing over IT and
no lord above IT.
IT does not exist within anything that is inferior to IT, since
everything exists only within IT. IT is eternal, for IT does not need
anything. For IT is absolutely complete: IT has never lacked anything
in order to be complete.
Rather, IT has always been absolutely complete in light. IT is
illimitable, since there is nothing before IT to limit IT.
IT is unfathomable, since there is nothing before IT to fathom IT.
IT is immeasurable, since there is nothing before IT to measure IT.
IT is unobservable, since nothing has observed IT. IT is eternal, and
exists eternally.
IT is unutterable, since nothing could comprehend IT to utter IT.
IT is unameable, since there is nothing before IT to give IT a name.
IT is the immeasurable light, pure, holy, bright. IT is unutterable,
and is perfect in IT's imperishability.  Not that IT is part of
perfection, or blessedness, or divinity: IT is greater.
IT is neither corporeal nor incorporeal. IT is neither large nor
small. IT is impossible to say 'How much is IT?' or 'What kind is IT?'
IT is not one among things which are in existance: IT is greater.
Not that IT is actually greater. Rather, as IT is in IT-SELF, IT is
not a part of worlds or time, for whatever is part of a world was once
produced by something else. Time was not allotted to IT, since IT
recieves nothing from anyone. That would be a loan. The ONE who exists
first does not need anything from one who is later. On the contrary,
the later one looks up to the first one in its light."                

  (Jesus: The Secret Book of John)

"Appearances are a glimpse of what is hidden."   (Anaxagoras)

"How can all things be One, yet each thing seperate?"  (Oracle of
Orpheus)

Plato would advise they who really wanted to "dissolve" the works of
the Demiurge (their own bondage to ignorance) by first starting with
their own reason.

"We must begin by discriminating between that which is and never
becomes, and that which is always becoming and which never is."
(Plato)

Jesus spoke to the need to die before becoming spiritually born again,
like Plato finding the small opening in the ego-CAVE he saw when he
closed his eyes.  To choose such meditative death requires a
leap-of-faith, which the Greeks called Kurios -- the 'jumping-off
place'.

Here you shall put on your robe of light!   Find the Bridal Chamber!  

http://tinyurl.com/nmd0
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