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And the next one is " Does God want us to know the time of the end
of the world ? ".
The views are already divided on the issue of the Trinity or whether
there is hot hell or not . Why there is no definite answer in the Bible
for many people on these issues ?
There is not a single date when the end of the world will come .
I am predicting the date 2011 AD and you will not find this date in
the Bible.
So can we know the time of the end ? If we are not to know
why there are so many verses in the Bible about the end and some
of them imply the true christians will or should know the time ?
It is sufficient to know we can die any day to be always ready
to meet God
and we must live a holy life each day whether the end of the world
comes
or not in our lifetime .What is the purpose of so much information
about the end in the Bible if we are not to know the time of the end
of the world ,then ?
Let's assume we have the date 2011 AD in the Bible for all the nations
of the world to see .What would have happened ?
All the world would hear for sure the end really might come
but would people believe it or wait till the very end ?
To wait it out would be the silliest thing to do ,so woud most people
believe in God of the Bible ,then ? How about many other religions .
No most likely only those who consider themselves as christians would
belive . But would it be a Good News if we had still divided
christianity ?
The date alone would not unite christians and to make thing even worse
we could see a chaos that would destroy mankind before the end comes
as all christians would like to change their lives to justify and prove
their faith in the end of the world in 2011 AD.
Why send children to school if the end comes soon and so on
one christian would challenge other christians and vice versa as to way
they conduct themsleves believing firmly the end of the world comes
in about 6 years.
All believers most likely would believe they will stay alive up to the
year
2011 AD and see the end . To prove they believe so they would want
to show this to others.
There would be strange behaviours among people to prove such a
belief.
If the end comes and you believe so why don't you sell your house
and give out money to the poor etc - some might have say and so forth .
So , now again the question is the same
" Does God wants us to
know the time of the end of the world ?
Why is the Bible so complexed that we have so many different
denominations each claiming to use the Bible ?
Yet I can say using my knowledge of the Bible ,God wants the unity
and one true religion and also using the Bible we should try to predict
the time of the end of the world and I just wrote recently that we
should
stay away from religions that don't make predictions of the end of the
world !
Lars Wilson
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> There are many puzzling questions linked to the Bible.
> And the next one is " Does God want us to know the time of the end
> of the world ? ".
>
> The views are already divided on the issue of the Trinity or whether
> there is hot hell or not . Why there is no definite answer in the Bible
> for many people on these issues ?
> There is not a single date when the end of the world will come .
> I am predicting the date 2011 AD and you will not find this date in
> the Bible.
Well, OBVES that's interesting you came up with 2011 AD as an "end of the
world" date!!! I'm interested in knowing how that is calculated. But 2012
is the correctred "1975" for JWs!!! That is, JWs associated the end of
6000 years with 1975 and the beginning of the millennium, but they used the
wrong date for the fall of Babylon as a "pivotal" date so their timeline is
wrong. When it is corrected along with Biblical guidance, 2012 becomes the
replacement 1975 date! Just one year later than you 2011 BCE.
Interesting.
Here are the quick ADJUSTMENT details for 1975 to 2012 FYI:
Okay. This will will be the quick and short method. First of all the key
date for the 1st of Cyrus is 455BCE proven many ways now, the fall of
Babylon occurring in 462BCE. But 455 begins a week of 490 years. Each 490
years or 70 weeks has 10 JUBILEES. The jubilee is the 1st year after 49
years but also the 1st year of the next 49 years. So 455BCE locks this week
for the Jews. The Covenant Week is seven days of 70 weeks. That is 7 x 490
= 3430. The JWs focussed on this concept when they came up with the 1925
date which was in reference to 70 jubilees for this same period. But they
thought an extra year was added to the calendar so they multiplied 70 x 50
to get 3500 years and based upon their dating back then (which they later
admittedly corrected) for when the Jews entered the promised land, they
calculated 3500 years to end up with 1925. But in actuality it is 70 x 49
or 7 x 490, 3430 years, and it applies to Jewish jubilees. The jubilee
celebrates when the Jews return to their homeland out of exile or are freed
from slavery, etc. So the thee major events that fall of Jewish jubilees
are (1) The Exodus, (2) The return from Babylon in the 1st of Cyrus (455BCE)
and (3) their final jubilee upon their restoration in 1947. Thus please
note that 1947 is exactly 50 jubilees from 455BCE.
That brings us to the dating of the Exodus. The Exodus was the first
jubilee of thsi week. That is, this week of 3430 years ends in 1996 and
thus begins in 1435BCE. Since the very first year of the week could not be
a "jubilee" since it does nto follow 49 years, the Exodus is the first
jubilee 49 years after 1435BCE, or 1386BCE.
So again, per the jubilee dating, 455BCE sets the beginning of the third
day, its the 20th jubilee of the week, the last jubilee is the 69th jubilee
of the week in 1947, and the first jubilee of the week is the Exodus in
1386BCE, 19 jubilees from 455BCE. (Math: 19 x 49=931+455=1386).
Okay. Now. From here we can recalculate the 1975 date as far as the "end
of the world" with respect to the beginning of the millennium.
JW dating by the time of the Exodus is way off! It's 127 years off. The
true date is 1386BCE and the their date is 1513BCE. But the chronology
from the Exodus back to Adam is self-evident and accurate. Thus since 1975
is based upon their 6000-year date, we can adjust 1975 by 127 years. We
add 127 to 1975 and we get a new 6000-year end date of 2102 AD. BUT.... is
that really a good date? Actually, yes it is for the creation of Adam, but
not for the end of 6000 years since the creation of Eve really is a closer
marker for the end of the 6th Creative day. The Bible doesn't tell us
exactly when Eve was created. But with "eternity" in mind, even if Adam
were physically grown, why would God give a wife to a mentally and
emotionally one-year old? JWs have Adam naming the animals in just one year
then springing Eve on him when he says, "AT LAST, bone of my bone and flesh
of my flesh"? Not likely. The normal age range for growing up and then
getting married is at least 20 years old and back then it was more often
around 30. Since Jesus was 30 when he became the exchange for Adam, the
presumption is made that likely Eve was created at least 30 years after
Adam. That would have given Adam time to be alone, know himself, explore
his home in every way, in great detail, observe all God's creations,
whatever, and THEN realize he was the only man. So when Eve came about he
could then have meaning in the words "AT LAST...bone of my bone, flesh of my
flesh".
I also heard he said: "Stand back, baby, I don't know how big this thing is
going to get!" But that's not recorded in the Bible so that's not a
reliable quote! (:> sorry...)
Anyway, back to the chronology. this would push the end of 6000 years
another 30 years farther back to 2132 AD. So you see, we have quite a bit
of time before the last 1000 years of the 7th Creative Day based upon
critical/corrected Biblical timeline.
BUT...that is not the equivalent to the end of the world. As you noted,
"Does God Want Us to Know the Time of the End of the World?" I think he
does want us to know generally, but not specifically, otherwise he would
have given us the year Eve was created. At any rate, however, 2132 AD
needs adjusting as far as the millennium is concerned. Why?
Because when Revelation 21:5 mentions, "Look! I am MAKING ALL THINGS NEW"
it's a clue that that the 7th Creative Sabbath Day of Rest is over and a new
Creative Week has begun! But this does not occur until after two
post-millennial events. That is, Satan's release to test post-millennial
manking and (2) Judgment Day, which occurrs that, where all the dead come
back to be judged.
So in effect the millennium is not really the very last absolute 1000 years
of the 7th Creative Day. It's moved up just a bit so that there is a "rest"
from Satan and worldly governments, but there's room for Satan's last
temptation and then Judgment Day. So that moves up the dating for the "end
of the world" when the millennium is moved up.
Using Biblical patterns, the testing by Satan would be 40 years. Judgment
Day would take a bit longer. The guideposts for that length of time is 70
years or 80 years, a generation. To play on the safe side we use 80 years.
Thus 40 years for Satan's test, combined with 80 years for Judgment Day that
occur _after_ the millennium, moves the millenium up potentially 120 years
from 2132. Subtract 120 from 2132 and you get 2012BCE. So it's the same
date as 2011 BCE.
So I'm wondering if Jehovah is confirming this date of 2011-2012BCE from two
different sources? I think it is too coincidental not to investigate
further.
These are dates also coming from sources that understand that JWs were
"God's chosen people" in a special covenant with Jehovah like the Jews as
well.
But just as the Jewish Covenant ended in 1996, the Christian side of the
Covenant with JWs also ended in 1996 and their Governing Body was kicked out
of God's spiritual house and identified as the "evil slave" in the "12th
hour" before the second coming.
That is, a "half hour" is 42 months (3.5 years) so an "hour" is 7 years.
The "man of lawlessness" is identified during the "last hour", the 12th
hour, but before the second coming. (2 Thess 2). The vineyard workers,
who represent Jehovah's witnesses begin their work in 1914. They work for
11 hours. 11 x 7 is 77. Add 77 to 1914 and the "last hour" begins in 1991.
The second coming is 45 years after the Jews return to their homeland, again
1947, their last jubilee. That dates the second coming in 1992. Also a
"generation" would not pass before the second coming occurs, 80 years past
1914 is 1994; 1992 is prior to that. But the "last hour" of 7 years is from
1991-1998. So the "evil slave"/"man of lawlessness" is identified and
kicked out of Jehovah's Heavenly Organization sometime between 1991-1992.
Then President Fred Franz died just 3 days before the second coming in
December of 1992.
SOOOOO.... while the "end of the world" might be pointing to 2011-2012 AD or
before then, the JW organization, repersented as the "false prophet" that
comes out of the EARTH, along with the "666 Beast" representing
trinity-believing Christendom, are both thrown into the lake of fire "while
still alive" at some point, probably at the same time the UN destroys
Babylon the Great.
So you have to "Get out of her, my people!" physically or spiritually before
then, or else you will receive part of her plagues. The witness
organization has now become a part of Babylon the Great.
Now that's another very, very long destruction but please note that the
Nazi's targeted specifically Jehovah' witnesses and Jews! But it wasn't
over the blood issue or the fact that they refused military service. It was
because they believed the Jews were using them as spies and they were
connected with the secret society of Jewish Freemasonry. That connection
has long been associated with JWs from Russell days since he is mysteriously
connected with Freemasonry and Satanism. Like I said, it's a big long
involved topic but it is THERE! Jews and Jehovah's witnessses and secret
societies and all that are previously linked up together. Secret socities
and "Illuminati" issues and "Mysteries" and Freemasonry issues are "Babylon
the Great" Mystery issues. See the connection?
Anyway, 2011BCE for the end of the present world, whether arrived at
vicariously, erroneously or coincidentally, is bang on target with the 1975
corrected dating based upon when the millennium should begin.
Thanks for continuing to publish your ideas!
L.W.
ResLight
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>
> Now that's another very, very long destruction but please note that the
> Nazi's targeted specifically Jehovah' witnesses and Jews! But it wasn't
> over the blood issue or the fact that they refused military service. It
> was because they believed the Jews were using them as spies and they were
> connected with the secret society of Jewish Freemasonry.
Actually, much of the persecution of the Bible Students in Germany during
Hitler's regime, the "Ernste Bibelforscher", as they were called, was over
the fact that many, if not most, of these Bible Students were proclaiming
that God's favor was return to the Jews. From 1933 to 1945, there was not
much contact between the Bible Students in Germany (represented by the
German Bible Students Association) and the Watchtower Society in Brooklyn,
and most correspondence was evidently considered suspicious by German Bible
Students in general. "When contact was finally made and Watchtower
Literature was allowed into Germany, the Bible Students noticed the changes,
and decided they were better off without the Society. They began publishing
'the Christian Watchtower' in 1949 and 'The Tagesanbruch'" "They currently
publish the monthly 'Herald of Christ's Kingdom'".
Quotes from "Soldiers of the Cross"
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/history/SOLDIERS.PDF
> That connection has long been associated with JWs from Russell days since
> he is mysteriously connected with Freemasonry and Satanism.
More like he is being deceptively connected with Freemasonry and Satanism.
http://ctr.reslight.net
Christian love,
Ronald
Lars Wilson
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> >> since
>> he is mysteriously connected with Freemasonry and Satanism.
>
> More like he is being deceptively connected with Freemasonry and Satanism.
> http://ctr.reslight.net
>
> Christian love,
> Ronald
Hitler accused them of being funded by secret Jewish monies to which then
president JF Rutherford replied to Hitler rather sarcastically, accusing the
Jews of using their money to control England and having great influence in
New York, even making some prejudicial comment that NY was called
"Jaimetown" or something. I thought the reply was condescending and tongue
in cheek since it seemed to confirm Hitler's belief that the Jews were using
their money to influence politics in the world, etc. and suggests JF
Rutherford was quite familiar with those "secret society" Jewish issues.
Besides that one source claims that Russell was Jewish and he and Rutherford
were Freemasons.
Some have denied that Russell and Rutherford were Freemasons, but that can
hardly be denied based upon the symbolisms on their own publications (i.e.
the cross and the crown of the Knights Templar, the winged disk, etc.)
L.Wilson
ResLight
I spent about two hours writing a response to this, but when I tried to
post it, I was logged out, and the entire post disappeared, and I could
not get it to come back up again. I am going to briefly write another
response.
I highly doubt that Rutherford was receiving funds from Jewish sources;
he denounced the Jews who did not accept his organization as being part
of Satan's organization, and on their way to everlasting destruction.
However, in Germany, there was no distinction being made by Hitler as
to Bible Students who believed as did Rutherford and those who did not.
About 1933, communications became difficult between the Bible Students
in Germany and those outside, and much from outside was held as
supicious. All of these Bible Students were all given the label, not
"Jehovah's Witnesses", but "Bible Students". Bible Students in general
had been proclaiming that the time had come for God's favor to be
returned to the Jews, and their return to the land of Israel. This
preaching in favor of the Jews, of course, led Hitler to launch his
persecution of these Bible Students. Meanwhile, back in the USA,
Russell's new organization had adopted the name "Jehovah's Witnesses",
and It was not until after the war was over that the German Bible
Students Association, upon finding out what Rutherford was teaching,
officially withdrew support from Rutherford. Nevertheless, the
preaching of the return of favor to the Jews by the Bible Students has
nothing at all to do with the Freemasons; it is simply the proclamation
of what is recorded in the Bible.
I absolutely know beyond any shadow of a doubt that Russell was not
associated with the Freemason. Anyone who is truly familiar with
Russell's works would know this. Yes, it is indeed entirely and
completely ludicrious to think that Russell spent all of his waking
hours sabotaging something that he alledgely truly secretly believed
in.
Many churches, both Catholic and Protestant, have used the cross and
crown symbol for centuries. Russell adopted and adapted the cross and
crown symbol from the churches, not the Freemasons. (The order of
Masons called Knight Templars, who profess to be Christians, also state
that they obtained the symbol from the churches.) To Russell, the cross
and crown symbol symbolized the Christian's taking of the cross in
sacrifice in order to receive a crown in the last day. Nothing at all
associated with the Freemasons. -- Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23;
1 Corinthians 9:25; 2 Timothy 4:8; James 1:12; 1 Peter 5:4; Revelation
2:10.
I have discussed the cross and crown symbol before:
http://ctr.russell.html/pyramid.html
http://tinyurl.com/ev64u
The winged sun disk symbol was evidently adopted by Russell from
Egyptian sources, not the Freemasons organization. He saw in this
symbol the description of Jesus as given in Malachi 4:2; this had
nothing to do with the Freemasons organization.
http://tinyurl.com/rvr5r
See also:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reslight/files/Russell/
(One may need to be a member of yahoo to see these files)